assassination

[proven jasper]

Yeah fr

[dense coyote]

If you want a main that probably won't change so much (each expac) that you will end up hating your class, safe bets are:

• Warrior
• Paladin
• Hunter
• Mage
  That's all I'd recommend, others will have their own opinion. The rest of the classes often change so drastically that people will just drop them.

[royal lantern]

battle shout doesnt count

[waxen oyster]

rogue is prob consistently one of the better melee

[proven jasper]

if you want to be the best at this game and use 0 brain power

[waxen oyster]

i meant onslaught

[proven jasper]

Play bm

[limber lion]

As someone who's mained Rogue and literally just Assassination rogue for 6 years, idk about that

[proven jasper]

Literally what im sayin

[balmy condor]

Assassination has changed once since cata

[waxen oyster]

they used to have raging blow but current build replaces that with a passive

[balmy condor]

What’s this pvper yappin bout

[keen spruce]

I've never been benched because of class / spec or even felt slightly pressured to switch off of rogue since

forever

[feral mason]

legendary aug buff circlejerk session on gnarlroot

[proven jasper]

We gettin straight delusional in here 💯

[limber lion]

Yeh literally all of the classes mentioned have changed much more than Assa has lel

[waxen oyster]

you could argue early cn was bad for rogue

but it was bad for any melee that wasnt dk

[royal lantern]

the rogue often good or the keybind part?

[waxen oyster]

honestly sin feels like it changes the least of the rogue specs

sub and outlaw feel like they get reworked every tier

[simple vessel]

Could someone please take a look at this build and tell me what you think? The idea is to have a build I can use in different parts of the game that works relatively well in each. In terms of mechanics, the idea is to stack Bleeds -> Zoldyck Recipe + Sudden Demise

BMQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfspkDEJJSQAAAAAAItkIlkAAAAAAAtWSCSgkkSEERikkkkEtWLSAA

Crimson Tempest for AOE

[feral mason]

too hard

[waxen oyster]

why not just play diff builds

for diff content

[bleak sun]

True

[simple vessel]

I'm not there yet, I need to learn one first before I start branching out

And I hate switching stuff all the time, I want something I can just use and enjoy that I find fun and works relatively well

[quartz locust]

yeah im not trying to kill your vibe, but nobodys really buildcrafting in here. we just like to pump and do what the robot tells us to

[simple vessel]

That's cool, figured people would be crafting in here, my mistake

[waxen oyster]

diff content asks for diff builds

[balmy condor]

We generally craft playable builds

[simple vessel]

is the build I linked not playable?

[waxen oyster]

robot says build good

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s sepsis and 1/2 lethal dose

[waxen oyster]

also pvp is a completely different beast

on what's good

[balmy condor]

So I’m going to go on a limb and say no

[past forum]

Yeah leave the theorycrafting to the turbo nerds

[waxen oyster]

and more feelycraft

than raid or m+

tbh

[proven jasper]

Trying to theorycraft the worst possible talent build was fun

[simple vessel]

do you have some suggestion for improvement in that aspect, keeping in mind the goal of ZR + SD?

you're right, bone spike is better there

[feral mason]

post nut clarity

[past forum]

Default keybind N, select “Outlaw”, change specialization

[waxen oyster]

even bonespike isnt taken

[balmy condor]

Idk what zr is

[quartz locust]

i think its just the philosophy of coming up with a 'goal' for a build then going off that isnt how it's done

zoldyck

[simple vessel]

yes i'll swap that for bonespike, anything else i'm missing? ZR = zoldyck recipe

[balmy condor]

Oh

[waxen oyster]

outlaw no crackshot

casual 25% loss

over crackshot builds

[balmy condor]

Just go to load builds

And press the one that says m+ arterial

[quartz locust]

our goal is damage, and we maximize that in hte situation regardless of what skills are involved

[simple vessel]

on what site?

[balmy condor]

Wowhead

[keen spruce]

BMQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsRSkkIBAAAAAAItkItkAAAAAAAtSkgEIJpkSQEJRSSSS0alkEA

[balmy condor]

Is that arterial

[keen spruce]

ye

[jaunty dew]

So seeing as I don't have a myth/hc track nick of time, any suggestions for which buff I should take on this?

[balmy condor]

Neat

[jaunty dew]

They all seem useless xD

[limber lion]

wut neither

[balmy condor]

That’s cause they are

[quartz locust]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19491841

[balmy condor]

I just tapped a training dummy with it

And called it a day

[simple vessel]

this is almost exactly what I had, only 3 nodes different

[past forum]

Don’t do critter, otherwise it’s irrelevant

[balmy condor]

And now I get an extra healthstone worth of healing

[balmy condor]

Yeh except the 3 node difference REALLY matters and was upwards of 5% dps loss

[simple vessel]

why take caustic instead of internal bleeding if you're trying to max bleeds? and is bone spike really not better than the alternative?

[waxen oyster]

because caustic does dumb damage

[balmy condor]

Cause caustic is one of our core AoE talents

[waxen oyster]

on more than 1 target

[balmy condor]

And bone spike sucks and it’s too slow and it’s locked behind doomblade which is just actually the single worst talent on the whole tree

So the value of bone spike and sepsis falls off a cliff

[waxen oyster]

honestly dont get how glorified nature rupture aka sepsis made it back for all 3 specs

[quartz locust]

always liked it in SL most thematically, but yeah

[proven jasper]

It was like our only access to stealth garrotes last tier

[waxen oyster]

nah bonespike was the most neat thematically

[proven jasper]

besides vanish obvi

idk flag easily the coolest

in my opinion

[waxen oyster]

maybe im slightly salty that in cn it was effectively putting a nature rupture up with a minor mastery on use

as your entire cov ability

meanwhile convoke existed

[proven jasper]

yeah i mean

Definitely valid LMAO

[vital haven]

most rogue covenant abilities were pretty boring tbh

bone spike was cool

thats about it imo

[waxen oyster]

bonespike

spiteful weeks

[simple vessel]

that makes sense, thanks, ok so why shroud of concealment over recuperator?

[keen spruce]

oh the one that i linked is just my m+ setup

recouperator is bugged tho

[balmy condor]

Cause that’s utility and doesnt matter

You can shuffle like 6 or 7 points around in the top half of the class tree as you see fit with no consequence

[keen spruce]

all of this stuff

basically interchangeable

the choice nodes at the top just pick the one you need/want

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t call aoe blind interchangeable but yeah

[quartz locust]

but pick airborne irritant regardless

[simple vessel]

I like the one you sent Shmeeps, thanks, this is what I'm looking for. Do you have any tips on rotation?

[quartz locust]

because 🐐

[balmy condor]

Double feint is also not really a choice

[keen spruce]

he said somethin about pvp

[balmy condor]

Wait

[keen spruce]

so gouge might be better idk

[simple vessel]

thank you!!! incredibly helpful

[balmy condor]

Are we not doing m+?

[keen spruce]

he wants a catch all

for a bunch of content

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

double feint is 1 of those talents that reads niche af, but in reality is fucking stupid

even more so when you play elusivness for some dungeons

[waxen oyster]

you cant do a catchall for all content

[keen spruce]

i know

but

[quartz locust]

i tried to tell him guys

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

honestly airborne is prob trash in pvp

2.5s blind

LMFAO

[simple vessel]

i'm not looking to be #1 on the top of every chart in a competitive raiding guild, i want something that will just be decent in multiple settings

[balmy condor]

But why not just change

And be more decent

For no effort

[simple vessel]

i'm not a competitive ultra-player, i just want to enjoy the game with something that works in different areas. i don't want to just change because making 3 different sets of keys and learning them all is a pain in the ass and more than i care to keep tracko f

[limber lion]

That's what the loadouts are for

The buttons don't change though

[balmy condor]

It’s the same keys

[limber lion]

Even if you scramble all the talents, it's the same buttons

[quartz locust]

i'm in a super casual Heroic guild, but I still play the best spec for the job

[balmy condor]

And you can share action bars

[keen spruce]

the real difference in keybinds between pvp/m+/raid is gonna be.... Crimson tempest. maybe gouge. maybe sepsis.

[balmy condor]

Cause there’s a setting for that

[waxen oyster]

ig in pvp

you take wound poison talents

[keen spruce]

so your concern about having to learn different keybinds isn't as big of a deal as you're makin it

[waxen oyster]

mostly utilit talents

get moved around

[balmy condor]

Well yeah, you take things that suit the situation

Which was the whole idea with the talent tree rework

In 10.0

[simple vessel]

i'll probably take multiple builds in the future, what i want right now is something i can learn Sin on and get comfortable with

and i play a lot of different aspects of the game, so i want a jack-of-all-trades for the moment

[keen spruce]

yeah the one linked coveres all of the basics

for the most part

[balmy condor]

Yeh

I mean

Idk if that’s the way to learn

[simple vessel]

it looks great to me, thank you, do you have any advice on rotation?

[waxen oyster]

your rotational buttons remain the same regardless of content

[keen spruce]

Wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

But if it works I guess

[keen spruce]

has all of the rotation stuff

Whispyr wrote it so it's very handsome

[royal lantern]

just like you

[keen spruce]

idk where you find pvp resources these days tbh

i just spec sub and slam buttons

[waxen oyster]

i mean core rotational advice is still useful

[balmy condor]

You copy whatever top ladder does

[waxen oyster]

and be aware actual humans

move their chars

and respond to what you do

[balmy condor]

PvP is a feelcraft hellhole

[simple vessel]

why not use deathmark earlier since it improves rupture by 100%?

and garrote, but i understand opening w/garrote for the silence

[balmy condor]

Pvp players are like m+ players but with 80% more slurs

[balmy condor]

Deathmark copies it

It’s on the target

So it gets duplicated

[waxen oyster]

the silence is mostly for m+

which has a diff opener

[royal lantern]

so......m+ players?

[simple vessel]

ah ha! i misunderstood how it works, thank you

[waxen oyster]

you cant do that opener vs players

[royal lantern]

well, you can

[balmy condor]

Why not

[royal lantern]

they just try too avoid it

[waxen oyster]

you get disarmed

[simple vessel]

yeah, there's no control in it

[waxen oyster]

then just stand there dick in hand

[balmy condor]

He’s trying to do one for everything

Smile

I’m sure it’ll work against someone

[simple vessel]

i know the rotation will be different in PVP

[balmy condor]

Just gotta find the right npc

[waxen oyster]

its good to understand the basics of

what does damage

and what doesnt though

[simple vessel]

also, although i appreciate your guide and the content of your feedback, the tone is really obnoxious, you've told me multiple times that you disagree with what i'm seeking, that my build sucks, im doing it wrong, etc. it's really unhelpful. i have a hard time understanding why you're here to help people if this is your approach to doing it

[quartz locust]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-enjoy-i-like-nom-nom-gif-11040065238845078056

[simple vessel]

that's what i'm trying to do, get an overall sense of what i should be using after what, etc.

[royal lantern]

cus " 1 size fits all" doesnt exist

[simple vessel]

like knowing that deathmark duplicates what's already on the target ,super helpful

i'm aware, thank you, i understood that after the first six explanations

[proven jasper]

Sir

[simple vessel]

i'll spend some time with this guide and get a better feel for all of it, thank you

you've all been helpful, i appreciate it, thanks for your time

last question, any macros you recommend for this arterial build?

shadowance+kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

Oh I can explain that. So my purpose is to make people play better, understand the game better, and generally improve and optimize their characters.

And that’s what I’m doing when I’m telling you that you’re going down the wrong path and should learn the right tool for the job you’re doing, instead of hitting a nail with a bandsaw.

The tone thing isn’t meant to be rude. I’m just talking the way I always do but even with that aside, I don’t really care what people think of me, regardless of who they are. If you don’t like me because you think I’m an asshole, that’s your right as a self thinking person. I’m not here to be likable and that isn’t my goal. I’m here to help and optimize, not make friends. Friends happen to be a side effect of helping people, but that’s never really the goal

[simple vessel]

it's possible to accomplish your goal and be nice simultaneously

[balmy condor]

Shadow dance + kingsbane works, as does Deathmark + trinket + potion

[balmy condor]

Of course, that’s what I do

You just aren’t seeing it like that

[runic hinge]

Being nice fades as people come in and ask the same questions 60 times a day before reading guides or doing any research for themselves

[balmy condor]

This is me being nice

[simple vessel]

what do you mean by + macro here?

[balmy condor]

Oh

Whoops

Should be potion

[simple vessel]

potion?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[simple vessel]

i don't think that describes me, i've read several guides, i wasn't aware there was an arterial guide until it was linked in the middle of this conversation

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=191387/elemental-potion-of-power

Like this one

[simple vessel]

ah very nice, thank you

i havent even touched consumeables yet, that's for a future date when i'm less overwhelmed by the new build!

[balmy condor]

There’s also a macro page on the wowhead guide

Can copy paste from that

[limber lion]

would recommend just getting potions and at least macroing them together with DM instead of not using them at all

[simple vessel]

thanks, yeah i saw that as well, nothing jumped out at me other than the one i mentioned

[limber lion]

It's a massive boost

[simple vessel]

are they pretty cheap?

i just came back like 2 weeks ago and am relatively poor

[balmy condor]

There’s different qualities

[limber lion]

There's different tiers

[balmy condor]

So the lower quality ones are pretty cheap

No ones using them

There’s probably less of them available though

Would kinda depend

[simple vessel]

haha yeah those are like 50g each on my server at least

i can't macro 50g to a 2-minute timer lol

[balmy condor]

Seems reasonable

[limber lion]

50g is very, very little

But yeh you'll get there I guess

[simple vessel]

not when youve been back for 2 weeks!

[quartz locust]

you can make 600g for a 2 min world quest these days

[limber lion]

I mean one single wow token for 20 bucks is like 350k

and yeah what he said

[simple vessel]

yeah i need to do more world quests

ill put this in my back pocket

[tawny geyser]

"Raid, I'm gonna try Outlaw for this pull"

We kill it....

I end up with this :'d

Mythic btw

[pure moth]

Why did you do that

[royal lantern]

mate

i killed mythic smoldy 2x and got a 6 and a 0

beat that

[spice spire]

Krill issue

[royal lantern]

i was dead on both kills

first death of the evening on both aswell ofc

[royal lantern]

[waxen oyster]

out of 2 parses?

lol

[spice spire]

#notmyoutlawCF

[quiet oar]

Maybe Quake should review it

[spice spire]

[quiet oar]

Thats an classic Zac tbh

[spice spire]

Review this pal

[quiet oar]

Dont mind if i do

I wont tell Whisp

I swear

[midnight mist]

ye was on sark

[spice spire]

[midnight mist]

I didnt even die

[tidal spire]

Hi guys, how do i add rupture timer to my WA as sub? Im using whispyr's afenar edit but theres no rupture in there

this is what it looks like

[split cipher]

I duped a dynamic aura and changed it to rupture

[pure moth]

Rupture is the top right icon

[balmy condor]

Yeh I can move it tho

[tidal spire]

I know but that means i have a finality rupture

I mean the timer once its applied

like on ass

[balmy condor]

I’ll push an update for it

Np

[thorn fjord]

What sub menu does the cast bar hide in the afenar wa

Guys edit doesn’t have a cast bar 😑

Been trying to add one

Figured I could copy from one of the other afenar edits

[grim jay]

its literally at resources

one of the 2 options that open

called castbar

[thorn fjord]

And I can just copy from one and drop it into the resources sub category?

[hardy pawn]

You know it’s bad when everyone is talking Sub in the Sin chat

[royal lantern]

?

people talk about all shit here all the time lol

• i wanna see how people react when sub/outlaw get a hit in the next couple weeks

[waxen oyster]

if outlaw gets hit its prob gonna be due to minigame players

cant see it being hit due to raid

[grim jay]

you can drop it wherever

you can even have it as a separate WA

[hardy pawn]

If they haven’t touched them at all like they haven’t touched BM it’s probably not gonna get adjusted

[waxen oyster]

i think outlaw still has bad raid perception tbh because people were fully zoned onto sin

early on

also i feel the general playerbase judges too much on openers

[grim jay]

I mean, m+ most likely has a decently bigger playerbase than raid

so calling it minigame is kinda eh

[grim jay]

if you sort out smolderon it aint looking that hot for sub anways

[waxen oyster]

is this counting all raid difficulties

[grim jay]

yes

[royal lantern]

make it slightly less gear efficent and watch it all crumble away in an instant

[waxen oyster]

sub is literally good too its just people start to realize hmm maybe this spec is strong

outside of just smold

and some of the playerbase is still used to ungabunga mash gloomblade 50000x

[subtle tundra]

guys i can confirm. you dont need 2nd nick of time in mythic

[hardy pawn]

I did enjoy me some Ungabunga on Dragonflight launch Sub

[subtle tundra]

1% dps dont matter

[waxen oyster]

489 dreamcarver is better than 483 nick in mh

[royal lantern]

it does what assa did 5 weeks ago

but without externals

and more frequent

[waxen oyster]

idk how much diff 2x 489 nick is vs 489+483 nick

[subtle tundra]

you also have to drop that

[royal lantern]

the only bad thing is that low target kinda sucks for sub

[grim jay]

I doubt you will arrive at a point where there will be more heroic and mythic raiders than corresponding m+ people

[waxen oyster]

489 dreamcarver is pretty obtainable

[subtle tundra]

havent dropped it

[waxen oyster]

its literally the second boss

[royal lantern]

mate

i dropped it last week

shut up

lol

loot rng is shit

[waxen oyster]

we had 1 drop first week

2 drop 2nd

mog rolled the third

[subtle tundra]

we've had 0

for the whole of progress

[waxen oyster]

actually should have kept a spare to have one with wafting one with sophic

ah well

we just suck at dropping thorncallers

yet once i join a pug 2 drop in same kill

[royal lantern]

we saw our 3rd mythic zenith token

[waxen oyster]

....i dont think we've seen a mythic zenith token

[subtle tundra]

i also only got TWO pieces of mythic loot from the raid...

[storm forum]

We have DE'd a warlock/dk/dh token and 5 BiS rolls for Zenith token

its not fair

[royal lantern]

i have 2 aswell lmao

waist and dagger

from 2nd boss

nothing else

[waxen oyster]

lol you guys made me check

i legit have one piece equipped from raid

in mythic

rest is heroic or vault gear

[royal lantern]

🙂

welcome too the club

[waxen oyster]

i hate m+

and what its done to the game

[storm forum]

🙂

now ill check

[royal lantern]

eh

its like

m+ is too much gear at this point

for no effort

[waxen oyster]

this is after its gotten nerfed

[errant willow]

Are the sims baiting me? It's saying that for both, single target and aoe, coiled serpent 457 is better than cataclysmic 460

[waxen oyster]

remember when keys used to give like 5 pieces

[low quartz]

bruh - that last boss on AD is BRUTAL

[dark token]

Fyi m+ gearing was buffed this patch

Not nerfed

[waxen oyster]

actually i have 2 pieces of raid gear on my sin set

the larodar ring

[storm forum]

signet brand is very bad on shorter fights. it over takes most other trinkets around 5 or 6 minutes

[strange python]

is it still worth playing sin on nymue with no PI? so far its been fine but looking to see if i can do more

[waxen oyster]

doesnt brand only start to be good

at 4+mins

[errant willow]

@storm forum hum interesting, thank you, might be good then for this week on tyrannical

[hardy pawn]

Spiders big=move the boss

[waxen oyster]

honestly nymue doesnt matter what spec you play

as long as you can do dmg to the adds

every min

[strange python]

alright thank you

[waxen oyster]

idk who else would be getting PI though

[strange python]

ourr BM hunter and dev evoker are

[royal lantern]

blizz acting as if running a +17 key is the same reward lvl then killing Nymue/larodar

[waxen oyster]

dev

[strange python]

its the raid leader 🙂

[waxen oyster]

ah the classic

officer priv

[errant willow]

devastation evoker looks like it could be a cool spec, but I can't play with that dragon, I just cant

[waxen oyster]

18 ig

honestly 20s this season feel

undertuned

[strange python]

what you guys think about assa in the last two bosses right now?

[storm forum]

Good, but I haven't gotten there yet to confirm

[royal lantern]

works

[late spire]

are our DoTs snapshotted with mastery? for example if i have a rupture up and there is like 12 seconds left on it, and my trinkets just came up, is it best to reapply instantly after you have your trinket buffs? or will using the mastery trink apply to currently applied DoTs?

[sweet dawn]

afaik the rupture/CT do snapshot, garrote doesn't?

[royal lantern]

NOTHING snapshots except dots with nightstalker

[storm forum]

All DoTs in our spellbook will also snapshot with nightstalker

[royal lantern]

thats what i said?

[storm forum]

[lavish wagon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wide sand]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[wispy apex]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[simple vessel]

so this is nothing to write home about, but with being only ilevel 451, i feel pretty good given that with Sub I was like #14ish consistently. thanks for all the help (i'm #6)!:

[gaunt sigil]

Do we think its worth running Cataclysmic in M+ this week in like 23s since its practically perma combat?

[surreal citrus]

4.1m kingsbane

no externals either wew

[balmy condor]

Probably not no

[balmy condor]

Nice work

[jaunty warren]

So every tick of every dot re-evaluates mastery at the time of tick yes ?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[ripe gulch]

is there any particular reason why when I have a blindside proc, if I mutilate the game just ambushes instead?

[tame tangle]

that’s how it works now mut is turned into ambush

[cloud goblet]

quick question rogue friends, what order do I put the kingsbane trinket and tea macro combo? or does it matter..

[woeful meteor]

Tea in KB macro

/cast Shadow Dance

/cast Kingsbane

macro done

[cloud goblet]

Perfect, thanks~

[lime crypt]

you tea DURING kb

idk what second exactly, but theres KB weakaura for it

that has all the ticks on timeline

at what time to use what

https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9

[tame tangle]

less than 6

[lime crypt]

you can change it so the lines are with icons

[tame tangle]

for tea

[cloud goblet]

ah ok, ill check it out! thanks

[umbral summit]

!log review

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[dawn jolt]

does anyone know strongest single target build without kingsbane? I feel like compared to other classes or even sub our tree doesnt have much choices/capstones to offer variety in rotation to change it up a bit sometimes

[void mesa]

For single target there's only one "best" build

The options come in when you add cleave or aoe to the mix

And huh, rn we are balanced around KB pretty heavily, playing without it you're likely better off playing another spec

[clever sapphire]

we have like 6 different builds for m+, and you can play bonespike in raid even though its worse usually

but every spec/class has an endnode that they always take

and thats kingsbane for us

i dont see the issue there

[subtle kiln]

sub dust build

[woeful meteor]

[dawn jolt]

yea sub was my inspiration for asking because you can really change up timings if you want

[woeful meteor]

Gl finding a viable sub build without flag

[balmy condor]

Hacha just got goosebumps somewhere

[odd nebula]

are aug hooks fixed yet?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[woeful meteor]

Whatever Build comes out of that can only be demonic

[alpine stone]

Hello guys, trying out assa as an alt when i have time. It seems that ambush doesn't replace Mutilate on assa (like it would on outlaw for SS). Is there a macro to have them on the same keybind?

[tame tangle]

it does tho

[alpine stone]

ah yes it does

i was wondering cause when i was stealthed

it wasn't changing the icon

it changes only during procs it seems

mb ty for the answer

[tame tangle]

u good mane

[clever sapphire]

so you mean just like it does for outlaw?

[alpine stone]

in outlaw SS is replaced by ambush when you're stealthed

[clever sapphire]

well thats news to me

its called a stealth bar, and you have ambush on your stealth bar

[alpine stone]

ah that might be it as i've never setup the bars in any spec outside outlaw

thx for pointing it out

[clever sapphire]

phew thanks for being understanding

[balmy condor]

she blind on my side till my mutilate ambush

[cerulean nest]

https://tenor.com/view/meryl-streep-booo-gif-13311304

[heavy roost]

Anyone swapping to sub for ST since the nerfs and no longer being the top PI spot?

[grim tangle]

no I'm too stupid to learn a different spec

[clever sapphire]

swapping because pi

damn

i dont even know how to react to that

[dark token]

Lol sin tree is much better

[runic hinge]

[dusty zenith]

Sub is just a meme

[devout prism]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tony-stark-if-youre-nothing-without-this-suit-then-you-shouldnt-have-it-gif-25043516

[coarse topaz]

is sandlgass a simtrap or is it actually 2k more than brand in st, I see everyone using brand

[devout prism]

Depends on fight time

[coarse topaz]

mythic smolderon, sadly both brand and sandglass are 476

[balmy condor]

its interesting to me how people come in, say brand is simbait, and then a couple hours later we get a question asking if sandglass is simbait

[coarse topaz]

lol

[dusty zenith]

Well are they

[balmy condor]

regardless of the community being silly

brand needs time to ramp

and is pretty rng

sandglass is consistent

[old halo]

is branch just sim bait or is it actually that good?

[balmy condor]

it's also a question of how good haste is for your character

so

it's kinda impossible to just look at something and say yes/no

that's why we sim

:)

[coarse topaz]

well a haste vers ring just simmed 4k higher for me so probably glass

[balmy condor]

or it could be bait and everyone is getting baited equally

[waxen oyster]

its almost like we have raidbotsb

but people refuse to use it

[void pecan]

Simmimg is a bait. Always go with what you FEEL

[balmy condor]

I mean I get it

you think you know something

and a robot says something else

your first instinct isn't "I'm wrong"

your first instinct is "fucking computer lmao"

[waxen oyster]

mine generally is

robot smort

[balmy condor]

yeh well

exceptions to the rule I guess

[waxen oyster]

lmao

[balmy condor]

there's also people that watched my entire restealth video

in its entirety

and then said "yeh idk"

if they didn't want to believe the math they could've clicked off before the full 33 minutes

but people are just weird ya know

sometimes you get numbers in front of you

and you just don't wanna

[keen spruce]

spiteful comes around. I'm annoyed all key at no restealths. we get to the end of the key

my overall is the same

and we still timed

[strange bronze]

restealth vid?

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

should be higher than normal no?

I guess tyrannical spiteful though

[keen spruce]

yeah tyran spiteful pretty cringe

but like

doesn't have any actual impact

[old halo]

not a fan of spiteful, going to take a chill week on keys

[keen spruce]

just feeeeeeeeels annoying

[balmy condor]

yeh like 2 months ago I put out a massive video with like 2 dozen logs and a bunch of sims going over why bitching about restealths in keys is dumb and silly

people didn't like it

[old halo]

almost 600K from spitful melee

[gaunt sigil]

I am learning outlaw just for spiteful keys

[keen spruce]

outlaw actually wants restealths though

[strange bronze]

thus the spiteful "cant do assas dmg in keys" meme a couple weeks back

makes sense

[gaunt sigil]

But it seems to care less than assa

maybe I am just trash assa though

[keen spruce]

it cares much more

[balmy condor]

3 death threats from one video though

[keen spruce]

well maybe not much more

but it cares more

[balmy condor]

is a really good ratio

[strange bronze]

lmao

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

thinking about making another controversial video about secondary stats being a joke

and seeing if we can pump it to 5

[waxen oyster]

i mean

[limber lion]

I hate how that's even controversial

[gaunt sigil]

Ive only done 23s, but every tank I have played with at that key level just chain pulls and assa feels bad

[waxen oyster]

its a dps loss for outlaw ig if you run from ghosts

but why do that

beat on them for cdr

[tame tangle]

cdr farm yas

[gaunt sigil]

At least during spiteful

[balmy condor]

just gotta download an addon that makes spitefuls caked up af

[keen spruce]

like they're supposed to

[balmy condor]

and then you be running to dps them

[waxen oyster]

people be saying they read the guides on how to play

then ask

"when do I save AR"

[strange bronze]

yea but you have Shadow dance and vanish to play around spiteful and bleed up lol

[strange bronze]

regarding this

if all else fails dot up some ruptures

[waxen oyster]

more rupture targets longer uptime on scent stacks

more venomous energy

[balmy condor]

found it

[strange bronze]

some ruptures and a garrote here and there both builds finishers and energy

[balmy condor]

10 logs of spiteful and not spiteful

randomly selected from levels 10 to 25

[waxen oyster]

if mobs die around the same time

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah but it still is a 1min/2min cd to depend on damage just like old IC. With outlaw its just CDR go Brr I vanish every pack. Again, I have only done 23s, not a very high end player so idk if my opinion is relevant

[waxen oyster]

you get a restealth anyway

before ghosts spawn

[strange bronze]

also sucks how diff the stat prio/gear is from outlaw to sin

[keen spruce]

even if you didn't have dance or vanish

[strange bronze]

been playing around in all 3 specs

[keen spruce]

it's still better

to just chain

[waxen oyster]

you can still rupture manually

[strange bronze]

sub is more set up for Assas BiS to work

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

sin is most flexible on stats

outlaw is vers to the moon

[cursive owl]

nini

[strange bronze]

exactly

[balmy condor]

this your character right? just double checking

[strange bronze]

Pretty sure sub wants the mastery

yea

[balmy condor]

aight brb

[gaunt sigil]

What build are yall keying with this week?

[strange bronze]

Just hybrid

[gaunt sigil]

So far Cleave build has felt best for hard boss keys

Like the 22 fall I did earlier the cleave build felt really good

[umbral summit]

is it still possible to request log reviews for the assa channel?

[limber lion]

depends on the dungeon

[spice spire]

Yes

[umbral summit]

was this to me? what's the command?

[spice spire]

No command

Rawdog it

[runic hinge]

The only time I get bothered about restealths is when the tank waits until there’s one spiteful left and it’s chasing me and then he pulls

But that’s just a bad tank thing

[dark token]

That's "all tanks below 2.7k" thing

[balmy condor]

the thing about stats is, it's kinda just a quirky little guy and swings here of like 2k stat are pretty minimal (also get more haste it's pretty good)

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

[balmy condor]

but realisitically like you can do whatever

play assa with outlaw stats

it's chillin

[strange bronze]

Gotta figure out where im gonna get more haste

pretty sure im almost BiS'd out

[alpine stone]

is there like a minimum haste to get for playing assa?

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

I'd just top gear a gem/enchant sim

[spice spire]

Over 0

[balmy condor]

overnight or something

and just vibe with that

it'll probably swap some shit around and then tell you to recraft something

[dark token]

if u dont have 0% minimum haste dont play assa

[balmy condor]

and wahoo 0.3%

[waxen oyster]

i feel like

haste is the most placebo stat ever

[strange bronze]

I did a smaller sim between 70 crit 33 mas to 70 mas 33 crit gems and it suggests mastery over crit. Assuming because its straight up bleed dmg over rng crit

[waxen oyster]

wow i generate 2 more energy per second

so impactful

[strange bronze]

so sensei's neltharite has been the goto

[balmy condor]

I mean by defintion of what those stats do, yes

but not really why it's one over the other

[strange bronze]

but in reality

[balmy condor]

stats all multiply to each other

[strange bronze]

it is a true sidegrade

[alpine stone]

[strange bronze]

they all simmed so close it was pref

[balmy condor]

like if you do 100 damage, and you have 100% vers

[sick smelt]

is there anything I can remove from here that's not suuuper important if I want to take twist the knife? still working on pooling, but I have the stealth snapshot thing down p well

[balmy condor]

you do 200 damage

you could then get 1% more vers, or 1% crit

1% more vers would be 201

[strange bronze]

and amplify the vers

[balmy condor]

1% crit would be 202

[strange bronze]

yea

[dark token]

improved poisons but i just recommend practice

[strange bronze]

Whisp I seen on Wowhead you said arterial build is "recommended" for M+... Did you mean FOR the lower keys more or in general, and what is your pref in 18-20+

[balmy condor]

just in general

[strange bronze]

build wise week to week

[balmy condor]

I had to recommend one of them

to put onto like big list things and shit

cause SEO and nonsense

so

[strange bronze]

ive been running hybrid

[dark token]

AP is better in lower keys due to higher value of sudden demise

[strange bronze]

but

[balmy condor]

that's the one I put on the list

[dark token]

hybrid sims best for me so i run this one the most in like 25s when mobs live long enough to get full dm

[balmy condor]

do you log your keys soviet

[waxen oyster]

yeah idk at 18s its kinda w/e

[strange bronze]

would it be advisable to do cleave build this week over hybrid or is it just minimal

[balmy condor]

cleave is kinda cranker boss dam

[waxen oyster]

doesnt really change week to week

[balmy condor]

but it's not really necessary

unless you're doing like 24-25-fucking30

[strange bronze]

only difference in cleave is loss of CT and gain of blindside track yea?

[balmy condor]

and at that point you don't really care what I say anyway

[balmy condor]

cleave is basically just the single target raid build but with carnage and caustic

[dark token]

i havent in a while, i did a lot for first 2 weeks

but since we hit tindral i was just doing weekly 20s

[strange bronze]

ive got up up to 22s so I still care what you say atm LMAO

[balmy condor]

I see

[strange bronze]

GETTING THERE

[dark token]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/77692257?zone=36 oh yeah i have some 25s on here from like 3 weeks ago tho

[strange bronze]

In Leiu of me causing your 3% nerf rant on stream the other night my details name is now IFeelthe3% for the memes

[balmy condor]

this'll help

I'm doing some fucking math

[waxen oyster]

i just shoot guns at lower keys

loud music blasting no care how the tank pulls

[dark token]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tq8VKFDT76vjCwpJ#fight=5&type=damage-done someone else logged this one

it was fairly recent

[strange bronze]

tbh, learned outlaw yesterday first time since S1 and I kinda like how it plays now

I get in my moods where I like to learn to play all 3 somewhat well.

[waxen oyster]

s1

grieftorch channel simulator

aka pug keys

[strange bronze]

The new BtE window playstyle is interesting and rewarding to say the least

[waxen oyster]

love to see my breakdown in a cos pug say

2. Manic Grieftorch

[strange bronze]

grieftorch will be back in the fated season lmao

[waxen oyster]

yeah

gigabis returns

[strange bronze]

wait for the return of the purple death nuke

[waxen oyster]

no

[strange bronze]

The Sarkiplier

lmao

[waxen oyster]

we dont talk about beacon

[true rapids]

beacon greiftroch boon , theres your 3 dinar purchases

[cerulean walrus]

THE RETURN

[strange bronze]

boon was sick playing sub because shadowstep op

movement with boon op

[waxen oyster]

well you could take step as outlaw

it was just a minor loss

[cerulean walrus]

And the loss was instantly offset

By the damage of Boon

[strange bronze]

lmao

[true rapids]

back to flaring cowl and eranog ring

[cerulean walrus]

Nah bro

We have THE TECHNOLOGY

Eranog Ring gonna be nutty but we have other fire damage sources

[waxen oyster]

by tech he means

[cerulean walrus]

[waxen oyster]

kazzak neck

[cerulean walrus]

Sucks if you didn't get it

Biggest L of all

[true rapids]

shadowflame wep enchant?

[waxen oyster]

its gonna be dumb since theres no rng

it just adds fire damage to your autos

[cerulean walrus]

I use Eranog Kazzak in keys

[cerulean walrus]

For Outlaw

I should say

Whenever I feel like whipping out the gyat

[waxen oyster]

yeah that ring's still stupid good

esp if you dont have 2 good rings

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah bro I got that socketed baby

Throwing a socket on that thing was the best decision of the xpac

Cause you can't now

[waxen oyster]

i mean we have full sockets by the end of the tier

because imagine getting vault upgrades late

[cerulean walrus]

You can't put a socket on S1 items

In S3

[waxen oyster]

yeah i meant if you played back then

im pretty sure theres an icd

[cerulean walrus]

Mainly just saying if you don't have a socketed one atm you're SOL

[waxen oyster]

on the dot from ring

[cerulean walrus]

Genuinely no idea

Probably

[waxen oyster]

maybe sin could play kazzak neck

and broodkeeper ring too

[hardy pawn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[ivory sierra]

i assume not but is using poisoned knife during kingsbane a thing

[balmy condor]

nope

can take poisoned knife off your bars

[ivory sierra]

ya i use it just to pull mobs in the world

[limber lion]

just spec into sbs and use that instead

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

in open world

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

and only there

[gusty mirage]

swapping specs for open world content is a lot more work and effort than pressing poisoned knife

[limber lion]

it's a better button

don't see why you wouldn't

[gusty mirage]

because fuck SBS without the covenant power behind it

that's why

[limber lion]

honestly true

[gusty mirage]

I WANT GEMSTONES AND KEVIN BACK

[limber lion]

I'm a sub main now anyways

I tried sub for a few keys

and it's pretty fun

[gusty mirage]

yeah it cranks

lol

[limber lion]

idk why people hate dust

that shit is so degen I love it

[gusty mirage]

WAIT

[limber lion]

waiting

[ivory sierra]

do you still do the tornado dust combo

[gusty mirage]

#assassination message

[limber lion]

holy shit

ngl though, sub tree itself is so weird

[gusty mirage]

I know you so well

[limber lion]

there's so many useless utility nodes

or well idk about useless

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's jampacked with utility nodes

[limber lion]

but like

I want DAMAGE

[gusty mirage]

kinda wish quick decisions swapped with the other utility node

on the other side

so we always take it

[drifting cloud]

least surprising cev msg of all time

[gusty mirage]

but that's just asking for too much lol

[limber lion]

and like you have to take free cheap shot talent and shroud movement speed talent to get cdr on symbols

[gusty mirage]

yea...

[drifting cloud]

you did save sepulcher for assa so I will allow it

[limber lion]

sick talent

[gusty mirage]

but tbf it's like a bajillion times better than it was before the rework

[limber lion]

Thank you

[gusty mirage]

man

fuck shadowlands

like fr

[limber lion]

Wait do I need to track Shadowcraft

[gusty mirage]

you can

but no

[limber lion]

oh

just happens randomly?

I guess yeah whatever

[gusty mirage]

it has like a weird trigger

[clever perch]

Is fuu's sim best possible?

[gusty mirage]

and it's on a delay

[clever perch]

im kinda confussed about which item to craft

[balmy condor]

run a droptimizer

[gusty mirage]

what are your options

[waxen oyster]

ask raidbots

[limber lion]

droptimizer my guy

[clever perch]

guys

[gusty mirage]

if ring is one of those

craft a ring

[clever perch]

droptimizer runs based on my current gear

[balmy condor]

correct

[gusty mirage]

free socket

no brainer

[limber lion]

exactly

[balmy condor]

that's why it's better

[clever perch]

i have a lot of gear, and droptimizer might change depending of the changes

that's why i was wonddering if the max possible sim was already posted by fuu

[balmy condor]

still better than following some stupid bis list

[limber lion]

You run a Top Gear to find the best combo of gears first

then you run the droptimizer to find the best crafted item

then you run a top gear again to figure out enchants and shit

You will never ever in the history of this video game ever get to the BIS status that the sims have

because you will not be able to get all the items that it has from the vault

it's pointless to even think about it

[balmy condor]

every bis list had the 450 ring as the best ring, and by the end of the tier, it was a downgrade for everyoen

bis lists

fucking dumb shit for anything other than simcock comparisons

[gusty mirage]

I tried everything to make it a sidegrade loss

and I couldn't

best i got it was like

[clever perch]

if I could run droptimizer selecting all gear i have in my bags...

[gusty mirage]

-200

[balmy condor]

?????????

why would that do anything

[waxen oyster]

do you have like

multiple 489 belts

or some shit

[clever perch]

i have a 489 ring crit mastery from vault

[waxen oyster]

[clever perch]

and droptimizer telling me to switch to a new crit mastery ring

[balmy condor]

uh huh

[limber lion]

2 fingers for 2 rings

[clever perch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/98cFnquRMayhaKbBnZ1UpG

pretty sure i can change some stuff and get a better sim

that's why i was asking

[balmy condor]

you have a 483 ring with no socket in that sim

[clever perch]

yea, i can upgrade it to 489

[balmy condor]

okay so go do that in top gear

then take it back to droptimizer

[gusty mirage]

click this so it lets you max it out

without having the crests

[clever perch]

how do i take that simc string into droptimizer

i mean the simc string that already upgrades to 489

[clever perch]

aight ty

i didn't know about that option

[balmy condor]

the dots aren't just a visual embellishment

good stuff there

[clever perch]

also i would need to run it several times changing runes i guess

haste and mastery atleast

[limber lion]

wtf

[drifting cloud]

lol

[limber lion]

I thought I was a degenerate

[balmy condor]

need my +0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% gain

[waxen oyster]

so farm gold for a racechange

[balmy condor]

I know I personally won't be killing tindral until my sim is optimized to one-thousandth of a dps, rounding up of course (I'm a padder)

[clever perch]

i just wanna get the best craft for me xD

[balmy condor]

yeah you're going about it like you're defusing a nuclear bomb though

[clever perch]

and since i got a 489 mastery crit ring, i dont wanna just think i wasted a vault slot

[runic hinge]

Craft crit verse and use it on all 3 specs

Who cares about 300 dps you’d get

[clever perch]

replacing my 489 crit mastery ring from vault to a crafted crit mastery 489 tilts me

[balmy condor]

well yeah

that's troll

but that's also not what you simmed

sims can't read your mind

[native heron]

Is there a reason why my stamina on my character stats is red it says -290?

[runic hinge]

Toxic boots

[balmy condor]

yeh

[native heron]

yep nevermind

[balmy condor]

at a low ilvl though

[native heron]

if i actually read shit >.>

[balmy condor]

aren't 486's 160 stam

so would be 320

bro's got like 473's or something

[drifting cloud]

rude

werent you like 480 last week, did you farm crests yet

[limber lion]

Like legit just looking at the sim you can see that the upgrades that you get are literally just because you get a free socket. Wrists 1k, rings 1.3k, basically all just because of the socket with some variance

[balmy condor]

mind your business rudeler

[drifting cloud]

[limber lion]

I would personally just take the bracers and upgrade the rings to 489 and eventually socket them

But then again that's a giga loss

[balmy condor]

also I'm 482.44

so

L bozo

[clever perch]

well, i got a lot of gear just don't know the best combination + new craft yet >.<

[limber lion]

if you're looking at fast gains now

[balmy condor]

+old

[drifting cloud]

whats your crest cap

if you dare to share

[limber lion]

Rings are the only ones that come with a free socket

[balmy condor]

stop moving the goal posts sir

this ain't bout my crests

[drifting cloud]

ill go first (let me open the game)

[wild birch]

Do you run improved ambush for sometimes easy 4cp or tight spender because it sims better?

For ST

[balmy condor]

tight spender because it sims better

is that drake

[limber lion]

I like improved ambush so I run that

[drifting cloud]

aspect

[balmy condor]

uh oh

my first response was "that's a big number damn"

[drifting cloud]

you reclear every week it cant be that bad

[balmy condor]

ok ok

not terribad

[drifting cloud]

you prob even have wryms to trade in!

[balmy condor]

yeah but I don't have flightstone

[drifting cloud]

oh

yeah thats a problem

[balmy condor]

piss chillin

don't even worry

by the time tindral dies

I will have turned in my first fated coin

and all will be fixed

[limber lion]

i'm coming for ya

[balmy condor]

@drifting cloud I found some flightstones

we pogging

[drifting cloud]

🫡

[woeful meteor]

pretty sure I played so many keys out of boredom this season that I'm capped on all 4

[balmy condor]

yeah see

when I get bored

I don't play this game

[woeful meteor]

Keys with guildies > ranked solo q despair in other games

[balmy condor]

are you saying you don't have friends in other games?

[woeful meteor]

Riot wont let me play with friends 🙂

in ranked

and my other main game in destiny where I have a lot of people is somehow worse than fated datea

[balmy condor]

you don't have to play a riot game, or ranked

[drifting cloud]

its funny that I consider wow my main game, but I play lost ark probably x5 as much

[limber lion]

keys are like the most boring content to me personally

[balmy condor]

that's me with maplestory this patch

[limber lion]

I can't imagine going "ah I'm so bored, guess I'll do 5 keys"

[balmy condor]

this shit really said "a large amount of flighstones" and then gave me 15

[spice spire]

[native heron]

My same feeling...

[native heron]

What content in wow do you like?

[dark token]

72% zone of focus in key

[clever perch]

okay how do i sim like if I already crafted an item and had it in my bags

[fervent jasper]

When do we ideally want PI and EM? when we press DM?

[balmy condor]

that one's a bit tricker but you can pull it out of the raw input from a droptimizer and then add it to the bottom of your simc with the rest of your bag gear

[balmy condor]

yes

[clever perch]

How do I add Signet of Titanic Insight Mastery + Crit 486 ?

[limber lion]

I like progressing my character as much as possible and leveraging that into raid performance

[clever perch]

i mean each craft stat has a different id i guess?

[balmy condor]

oh

well that's much easier

grab the thing from #tc-research and slap it below your simc

and then just manipulate it with the + icon

[clever perch]

oh tysm ❤️

[dark token]

sadly the tc-research gear string doesnt allow raidbots to upgrade the gear with a spark, for simming crest usage

u can reforge the stats and embellish tho

[balmy condor]

yeah it's kinda funny as well cause its missing gear pieces but then has the standard crafted stuff at every stat combo

so it still lags

when you just want to compare like

2 things

[dark token]

### HEAD
#################
# head=,id=193400,bonus_id=9405/8794/9499


#################
### NECK
#################
# neck=,id=201759,bonus_id=9405/8794/9499
# neck=,id=193001,bonus_id=9405/8794/9499


#################
### BACK
#################
# back=,id=193511,bonus_id=9405/8794/9499



####################
### WRIST / BRACERS
####################
# wrist=,id=193419,bonus_id=9405/8794/9499


#################
### BOOTS / FEET
#################
# feet=,id=193398,bonus_id=9405/8794/9499


#################
### BELT / WAIST
#################
# waist=,id=193407,bonus_id=9405/8794/9499


#################
### RINGS
#################
# finger1=,id=192999,bonus_id=9405/8794/9499
# finger1=,id=193000,bonus_id=9405/8794/9499```