assassination

[plush tusk]

at this point im not sure if you're weird or a genius tbh

[keen spruce]

you can get back to your KB target faster

[blazing jewel]

he is shmeepsPHD

[keen spruce]

but you also

shouldn't tab during DM

[frosty ocean]

DM?

[keen spruce]

deathmark

[frosty ocean]

ahh

[keen spruce]

PHD = Pretty Heavy Drinking

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

it was an old counter strike clan

[blazing jewel]

phd= pretty hot dad?

[frosty ocean]

pretty hard dick?

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

peak sin channel shitposting hours have arrived

[frosty ocean]

[summer light]

is there ever a time I should be shiving outside of DM window? like with normal non snapped bleeds applied

[keen spruce]

my dick is never pretty hard

it's always exceptionally hard

[blazing jewel]

[summer light]

sorry.. KB window

[keen spruce]

[plush tusk]

but if you wanna take advantage of garrote silence ... 😄

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

emergency raging mobs maybe

but generally no

[blazing jewel]

maybe maybe if your kb target dies before your second shiv cast

then you can send it on something

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/butter-cat-cat-with-the-butter-on-him-butter-loaf-cat-loaf-cat-gif-12864293071679946407

[blazing jewel]

butter dog

[keen spruce]

dog wit da buttah

[plain moon]

https://tenor.com/view/butta-dawg-dog-with-the-butta-butta-dog-i-put-the-butter-on-him-the-dog-with-the-butter-butter-dog-gif-19244197

[blazing jewel]

you the butter duck frfr

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-shitter-gif-24417796

[summer light]

tyty, also how important is SB in single target situations, like should that be prio over spenders / builders

[blazing jewel]

sb

[keen spruce]

I haven't payed attention to sanguine blades

the entire tier

[sweet shore]

We don’t care about it we prio our envenom chains

[keen spruce]

I was drinking and doing keys with a gorl but she went to bed and now i'm drunk just sitting here... @blazing jewel read me a bed time story

[blazing jewel]

there was once a sin rogue named shmeeps

he was rank 2 in raid and keys

only defeated by @winged sun rogue

[frosty ocean]

there are no girls on wow sir didnt you know that

[blazing jewel]

they went on a cute date to blizzcon together

[keen spruce]

zeross is a fukin pirate my imerssion is ruined

[blazing jewel]

and had the rank 1 io sub rogue @limber lion lead them around

[plush tusk]

i mean there is nothing wrong with delaying a mutilate to profite from sb if you don't fuck up your envenom window at the same time right?

[blazing jewel]

was that a good bedtime story

[keen spruce]

yes ty

[blazing jewel]

youre looking at .0001% dps increase

[keen spruce]

good fiction

[blazing jewel]

what did you have to drink

[keen spruce]

that zeross is better than me

[plush tusk]

but but but i can't resist

[keen spruce]

I had a lotta calimocho

and some beer

and some of the wine without coke

[blazing jewel]

last weekend I put mezcal into a rainbow sherbet reign energy drink

I think I saw god

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

that was not good

[keen spruce]

mezcal goodge

that other shit

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

sounds like canned heart attack

[blazing jewel]

where is the downside

[keen spruce]

idk it's not as good as sliced heart attack

[blazing jewel]

Cev an Zeross donowalled us

Can you believe that

[keen spruce]

i cannot

truely in shambles rn

[storm cloak]

Finally started raiding in my baby rogue. Amazing how much of a difference messing up the opener with kings bane is

[quick idol]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[summer light]

What makes nick of time so good

timestrike?

[keen spruce]

yeah

it has normal secondary stat allocation

and a free damage stat with timestrike

[summer light]

ahhhh

[raw cedar]

Guys this week doesn’t feel good for Assa in keys

[pure sail]

Its awful indeed

[stoic pond]

How assa feels in keys post nerf? Big difference with actual numbers?

[pure sail]

Assa is dead in keys

[real pike]

weekly shit vault crew report in

[pure sail]

That nerf was maybe relevant for raids but makes no sense in m+

[stoic pond]

100%

[pure sail]

The kingsbane nerf mostly

[plush tusk]

fire mage buffs were also for raid

we are not bad guys

[keen spruce]

3% is 3% whether it's on a blue post or in game

it feels about

3% different

spiteful is just annoying

[errant willow]

Is assa even good without aug and PI?

[arctic socket]

Not as good as sub

Without those buffs

Or outlaw

[lucid anchor]

quick question, anyone simming signifintly lower then before the reset .. wanted to sim a gv reward, single target spec for raids, 481 ilvl simmin at around 187k

[snow hamlet]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[arctic socket]

Critter is bis

[real stirrup]

i mentioned this earlier

feels like I'm doing way less than usual, I was doing minimum 220k on 22-23 keys on fort

[peak sun]

how much haste do you guyts suggest for sin?

range

[lean portal]

25 raid 15-20 m+

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[lean portal]

depends if you want boss dmg or not

[peak sun]

perfecrt

[clever sapphire]

guys i did it, i have the perfect crit amount right?

[peak sun]

I was runnign 8% yday on raid

felt out of energy

[blazing jewel]

Haste does not fix that

[peak sun]

what will it do?

[blazing jewel]

Increase your damage by whatever the sim shows

You need a very large increase or decrease of haste to actually feel a difference

[dusk sun]

Am i the only one who wants to rip off their skin when u cant get a restealth coz of spites

[arctic socket]

Yeah

You just use vanish / shadow dance

Or afk until stealthd up

If that’s not your style Reroll outlaw

[dusk sun]

But outlaw is gae

[limber lion]

[pulsar dirge]

weekly build discussion? I can never decide

[blazing jewel]

[pulsar dirge]

???

I know the guide dude

I've played everything - that's why I said discussion

[dusk sun]

i just go with shock dtb kb

[limber lion]

Depends on the key and what you're trying to do

[winged sun]

[dusk sun]

Im too lazy to sim at this point for a miniscule dps difference tbh

[limber lion]

As is the case every single week

[dusk sun]

I havent ran CT in 3 weeks

[storm cloak]

60% mastery seems so nice

[arctic socket]

60% mastery seems high

[storm cloak]

I have like 42% crit and 58% mastery

[sage igloo]

Hello

Am I supposed to keep my dots on all bosses in council?

Or just the current focus +bear?

[arctic socket]

If the bosses are semi stacked you can get value from IC

But I just play normal raid build with soalhher

Splatter

[storm cloak]

Do I spam vanish and shadow dance on CD?

[arctic socket]

With kb yeah?

[storm cloak]

Yeah

[arctic socket]

Yeah you should

[storm cloak]

I’m trying to line up them and my trinket

[arctic socket]

Just make sure you pool up some energy before you go into your cd window

[storm cloak]

No idea how people are getting 1.2 m KB hits though

2 weeks playing rogue so far

[arctic socket]

1.2m kb is like easy

What exactly do you press?

[storm cloak]

I can get like 550 k ticks at 465

Make sure I have 2 shivs and the tea

[arctic socket]

Well 1.2m is with raid externals yeah?

[storm cloak]

Yes

I mainly do keys. Did my first raid last night

Trying to get ksm on every class.

[arctic socket]

Did you get pi, ebon might / have windfury?

That would help your kb a LOT

[storm cloak]

No PI or wind fury because my guild doesn’t have a enhance

[tired walrus]

isnt assa worst rogue spec now

[storm cloak]

It’s still miles better than my mage lol

[arctic socket]

Yeah if you don’t get externals

[arctic socket]

Play sub

[storm cloak]

Isn’t it super difficult

[arctic socket]

Compared to sin? Yeah it’s harder to play properly

Wouldn’t say it’s as difficult as outlaw to do high numbers on tho

[storm cloak]

I’ll have to try

I really enjoy sin for keys

Feels so strong

[arctic socket]

Outlaw once you know what you’re doing is so so nice in keys

[violet hollow]

okay listen guys. I'll open my vault now and it will be a doti dagger in there. you heard it here first!

[crisp pine]

Congrats in advance

[arctic socket]

Send pic

[crisp pine]

You earned it king

[real stirrup]

so is anyone using arterial shock this week? I'm doing way less dps compared to fortified

[crisp pine]

I deal 0 damage no matter what talent build I use

[real stirrup]

lmao

[arctic socket]

I started playing the pirate build this week and it’s a lot more aoe dps

In my 20s

[storm cloak]

Pirate build?

[arctic socket]

Mhm

[crisp pine]

The one with the gun

[arctic socket]

Wrong dagger

[violet hollow]

i mean...at least a 489 weapon in week 6

[arctic socket]

Sim

atal dagger might be better stays

[violet hollow]

this is also a 489 dagger for me. i'm playing with two doti hc path daggers since start 😄

[arctic socket]

My 489 piece was a archdruids ring with a socket

Was pretty happy

[violet hollow]

ouhlala

avoidance

[arctic socket]

Well

Looks like you’re taking the atal dagger

[pulsar dirge]

only assa connoisseurs allowed

[fossil seal]

Dudes i have a question, if you have ashes and branch which one do you use on opener?

[austere fulcrum]

i think most of players use only one active trinket , but ideally u want ashes first i guess becuase of its cd ?

however one active one passive is recommended

branch is just perfect with DM timing

[oblique jackal]

The nerfs don’t seem to bad

[royal lantern]

its frking 3%

what did you expect lol

[oblique jackal]

Everything counts in my heart

[royal lantern]

im impressed if you actually notice the numbrr

like, REALLY notice

[oblique jackal]

Oh I noticed

[royal lantern]

and not feelcraft notice

[oblique jackal]

Feelcraft is ma lyfe

I feel we need a buff

[arctic socket]

We need our tier 2p fixed

[oblique jackal]

what’s wrong with it

[quaint dragon]

I lost close to 10% st damage wtf

[primal oasis]

Did they nerf havoc as well?

[hard plaza]

my sim difference between sub and Ass was 50k

lucky i cant get close to either in real life 😂

[weary badger]

hey guys how does dreamcarver work? how do i macro it

[fallen forge]

you dont

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[slim hamlet]

The PI value decrease wasn't as big as I expected

Poogies

[fallen forge]

pick one and use the dagger ability on it

and then enjoy the benefit until you swap out the dagger

[weary badger]

oh so basically

it will follow the enemy i am fighting?

[fallen forge]

no

so for instance if i use it on a beast

i will get a buff

i will keep that buff no matter who i am fighting until i use the ability again

ideally you just use it once on the mob type you want the benefit from and then leave it alone

[slim hamlet]

I wonder how many people out there still have the dagger in a macro

[fallen forge]

i've seen a couple in logs

[slim hamlet]

💀

[storm cloak]

Are there any helpful macros? I have kings bane and my trinket

[fallen forge]

depends on if you have dreamcarver

i like to macro sdance and kingsbane together in that order

and then deathmark with branch

idk if its worth to macro ashes tho

bc i dont have one

[weary badger]

oh ok

the buffs seem pretty meh

[near valley]

Ashes is needed like couple seconds into KB right?

[fallen forge]

yeah thats my understanding

[spice surge]

"needed" is a strong word. Waiting 3 seconds after kbing to ashes is slightly better, but not a whole lot compared to just macroing it with kb

[near valley]

You all I needed

[weary badger]

i suppose cheat death is the best buff

for the dreamcarver

[spice surge]

Its a heal when you drop low, not a cheat death

Either buff works really, none of them are really impactful

[royal lantern]

if you macro ashes, its with kingsbane

[storm monolith]

Ok question

[royal lantern]

answer

[storm monolith]

Ty

[royal lantern]

[storm monolith]

Real talk though. I opened vault and have a tough choice. I simmed the items, and there's two choices. I have a second set piece, which would give me the first bonus with a 3.3% dps increase, or an equip trinket for a 6.2% increase

[royal lantern]

well

what trinkez

and what tier piece

[peak sun]

!branch

[storm monolith]

Hands 447

I cant remember trinket name but I think the effect was "your abilities have a chance to grant you Agility for 15 seconds" and it was 463

[peak sun]

Guys, when i use branch trinket, should I stand still or dodge de bubbles for a while for it to last long?

[royal lantern]

collect 2 instantly, kite the 3rd orb for a bit

[peak sun]

Cool ty

[royal lantern]

1/1/7 seconds bettwen orb pickups is the absolute best

but like

can just grab 2 and then stand still and let the last one reach you, makes no real difference

[peak sun]

I feel i just cant do dmg as sin, it is so sad, vut im 100% messing the rotation

[royal lantern]

screenshot?

[peak sun]

During downtime, we just pool?

[storm monolith]

At work so I cannot

[arctic socket]

The crab?

oh hey I got nitro

[spice spire]

!pooling

[quaint hull]

Hey guys Merry Christmas I am trying to hook up the homies

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[storm monolith]

I think it was called the sea star or something

[quaint hull]

who wants one?

[arctic socket]

The 489 dream craver bis

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/log-gif-27486100

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/every-day-every-day-i-wake-up-i-wake-up-marriage-story-marriage-story-wake-up-gif-19948669

[arctic socket]

[near valley]

Where my problems usually start from

[spice spire]

What I’m saying

[storm monolith]

Man I've never really understood the dislike towards living. The alternative was WAY worse I'd never go back to that. I wake up every day grateful I can abuse the fact that I have legs and functioning lungs. The fact I have a functioning immune system fills me with confidence to do stupid shit cause I know my body is prepared.

[spice spire]

I don’t actually dislike the idea of living; however season depression is real and I’m currently in bed with the flu so fairly miserable. If someone really disliked living they have the means to simply not

[limber lion]

Wtf

[near valley]

Living is painful but my kink is pain

[limber lion]

You good homies?

[grim jay]

Same

[near valley]

5 more days to Christmas sadness

[spice spire]

No

[near valley]

Sending you that virtual kiss homefries

[storm monolith]

If living wasn't painful it wouldn't be worth it. Pain acts as a separator. It let's you understand what pleasure is, and makes you appreciate it more in contrast.

[near valley]

I was joking btw

[stable storm]

any vaulters

[near valley]

Existence is painful but pain isn't my kink

[storm monolith]

I play borderlands if that counts

[peak sun]

We usually use finishers at 4+ CPs right?

[storm monolith]

I got told to read the wowhead guide and I coul not find this anywhere.

[spice spire]

Yes

[storm monolith]

Like that's been default for a long time but I couldn't find it written

[stable storm]

i got a pretty meh vault

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[peak sun]

Same

[near valley]

Even in rotation it says use envenom at 4cp+

[stable storm]

afaik by default yes

but inside kingsbane/DM you slam more if you can

(from observing a few vods)

[spice spire]

?

Literally never read the guide, found within 2m

[arctic socket]

Reading and looking is hard

Ctrl f on pages is hard

Will say the use vanish last three seconds of kb is kinda hidden

[main blaze]

idk about all that

its right below what makeitstop linked.

[spice spire]

Yeah it literally is

Damn

Assassination chat getting roasted harder than me when someone posts a log link

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/head-bang-head-banging-banging-head-on-wall-im-over-this-im-done-gif-6513217525092377963

Quakes pov

[near valley]

Reading is not a Sin strong suit

But we love u knuckleheads anyway

[arctic socket]

I press shiny buttons

[real finch]

Is neck worth crafting today?

[spice spire]

If you have your embellishments

And it’s the biggest upgrade

Sure

[arctic socket]

I would craft a ring

Cause fuck ring rng

[spice spire]

Krill issue tbh

[arctic socket]

The only krill issue in this chat atm is your sleep schedule

[spice spire]

?????

I just slept 12 hours and am about to sleep again? (Perks of illness)

[arctic socket]

Oh

Yikes

[spice spire]

Yeah feel real silly rn don’t you

[near valley]

I read that as saying u had an illness from Percs

[blazing jewel]

Zac can you log review my sub gameplay

[spice spire]

[blazing jewel]

Wait I need sleep I said zac

[spice spire]

Wrong channel

[blazing jewel]

I saw green name

Lmfao

[spice spire]

On literally every front

[blazing jewel]

Quake you’re reviewing my sub

[hardy pawn]

What’s the way to go about your second Deathmark? Refresh Rup> Build to>Envenom> shiv> SD/KB> Garrote>DM>envenom?

[near valley]

Damn bro really just thought u were zac

[spice spire]

Yeah I know you’re very submissive bozo

[blazing jewel]

[near valley]

Kinda nameist ngl

[flat pier]

How we liking the 3% Nerf

https://tenor.com/view/tomy-tomas-peaky-plinders-peaky-blinders-gifs-gif-18709783

[near valley]

6 inch or footlong

[blazing jewel]

[near valley]

These details matter

[grim jay]

@spice spire did you see the new Logo?

[spice spire]

It’s 3%

[spice spire]

?

[blazing jewel]

What was the nerf on the bone spike build

[blazing jewel]

14%?

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Looks right

[arctic socket]

3%

Pretty big

[grim jay]

As big as 3%

[flat pier]

[flat pier]

We pumped to hard and now blizz have taken away our fun

[spice spire]

Plays the exact same

[near valley]

No nachos?

[spice spire]

Nothing changed but 3% less damage

[spice spire]

Tf you think I meant by edibles

[hardy pawn]

The problem is 3% on top of 15% KB and it adds up quickly

[spice spire]

Motif here is fun

[cursive owl]

assa still top

[spice spire]

Nothing changed things do less

[spice spire]

It’s not unfortunately

[cursive owl]

it is ... in my heart

[tawny geyser]

Any tips on how to easily find M+ Team to join?
I checked on Raider.io, but it's kinda messy. I wish there is a button to choose which team is looking for a rogue and then go from there.

[stable storm]

4cp+ without deeper strat, or with?

[spice spire]

Yes

[weak crescent]

😭

[hardy pawn]

It would appear 3% was 3% too much

[stable storm]

so 5cp+ with deeper strat

[spice spire]

No

[stable storm]

so 4cp+ with deeper strat

[grim jay]

Always good to judge based on data of not even half of the playerbase

[stable storm]

the guide doesnt specify to go over 4cp+ when on kingsbane though

[hardy pawn]

The meta isn’t built around the average joes. If you can’t push buttons no meta will ever cater/apply to you

[grim jay]

Because it doesnt change

[grim jay]

That doesnt even have the slightest thing to do with it

Its been 1 day na

And not even raid night for eu

[stable storm]

i saw speed do it during prog fights
saw whispyr do it on stream

[grim jay]

On the first day

[rotund crescent]

sims updated WE AIN THE LOWEST YET BOYS. I DONT HEAR NO BELL YET

[stable storm]

no shot we're under windwalker 🤣

[rotund crescent]

they got bigly buffed

[hardy pawn]

It ain’t even raid day for Eu haven’t you heard?!

[harsh anchor]

WW kinda clapping

[stable storm]

7.5% or so buff

its still shit to play

[grim jay]

Now you are just embarrassing

[stable storm]

but at least its middle of the pack where it should be

[distant carbon]

where u find this lol

[rotund crescent]

for sure lol. sry theyre at least able to do sOME dmg in raids now

[rotund crescent]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T31_Raid.html

[hard river]

not sure what level of optimization has gone into the marksman profile and apl

[spice spire]

A rare solo appearance

[hard river]

[stable storm]

true, at least they do damage

if a class only has 1 dmg spec, that spec should be average at the bare minimum

windwalker tuning changes every single season is purely a band aid from blizzard not understanding how ww works, or what ww needs (a rework)

[grim jay]

Kinda wish for them to get one aswell. They do have their time in m+ tho

[rotund crescent]

it wouldnt suprise me if we see a rework for them here within the next year or so. or at least one get announced

[pure comet]

!plater

[grim jay]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[pure comet]

Oh thanks lol

[stable storm]

they had their time in M+ in a couple shadowlands seasons

[grim jay]

They nearly always are pretty strong because of their kit

Unless ranged>melee

[stable storm]

they're strong

ret is strong, feral is strong

they're just not meta strong like aug or dh

[grim jay]

Yeah but tbf meta strong is kinda unnecessary. A class just needs to be strong and fun

Id prefer not being meta even

[stable storm]

meta strong is necessary if you want to push title

[spice spire]

Same

[stable storm]

and you're not gonna puhs title with windwalker unless its super OP

or you spend millions of gold at the end of season in boosts

ft. asian players

in 20s up to 24 windwalker is rly good

[tawny geyser]

Man...I really dont want to play Outlaw.
What are those numbers? 😢

[spice spire]

The rng set

[weak crescent]

:D

bro

it was good

[grim jay]

Yeah for the majority it doesnt need to be meta to be the fun they want

[grim jay]

Im pretty sure there are people that get the title on non meta specs

[stable storm]

it's never the fun they want because windwalker, despite doing numbers or not, is shit to play

[spice surge]

You absolutely do not need to play a meta class to get title, unless youre strictly pugging i guess

[spice spire]

I like WW

[stable storm]

the problem isnt fixed with 5% RSK buff every week

i'd read up the babylonius article that came out a few weeks back, i was on stream when he was typing it

explains it better than i ever could

[grim jay]

Thats why I said it should get a rework

[stable storm]

it 100% should

outdated spec

[spice spire]

That’s just injecting subjectivity and calling it objective

For both

[grim jay]

Thats super wrong, because there are people on the opposite side even

[spice spire]

People have different views

[grim jay]

[spice spire]

Wild concepts

I know

You mention s3 sub but it wasn’t even close to top dog

Like

That argument alone

Is antithetical

Me

[weak crescent]

guarantee majority just likes being good tuned, everything else is flavor

[grim jay]

I also met many people that like to play underdog specs and stomp on those

[stable storm]

idk why blizz cant tune like ff14

top specs to bottom specs there is like 5% difference

[subtle tundra]

how many specs are in ff

[stable storm]

is it cos of m+?

[subtle tundra]

and how complex are each

[grim jay]

Isnt ffxiv mainly ST bosses

[subtle tundra]

just tune better LOL!!!!!

duhhhh

[stable storm]

theres like 10 man ig

[stable storm]

average boomer blizzard defender take

[subtle tundra]

damn!

i got called a boomer

[stable storm]

they can tune in instances for pvp, why not for m+? to tune/balance specs

[flat pier]

wym they cant just buff classes doing less then other they have to break knees

[subtle tundra]

do you realise that if it were that easy to just make everything balanced they would do it

[grim jay]

WoW needs to have specs being balanced in a multitude of situations, so while I agree balancing could be better, its not that easy

[spice surge]

The community vastly overestimates imbalance too, even when classes are within 5%, or even lower, people scream about how OP the one at the top is

[proud cosmos]

i mean we need to see how it winds up but whispyr the outlaw theory crafter were talking about how assa is prob still better for every raid boss bar like volcoros and smoulderon

[stable storm]

wow devs have you convinced that balancing is hard the same way politicians have you convinced theres no money for this and that

[subtle tundra]

sure bud, live in your own world

of delusion

[stable storm]

purely copious conversation to mask the fact that they dont wanna bother going through the beaurocracy of getting stuff done/changed

[grim jay]

Thats a super weird take.

[spice surge]

You could have 2 classes doing the exact same damage in theory but one is perceived as better so its gonna look better on logs because better people play it

[weak crescent]

true, i didnt really finish what i meant with that. sub was pretty low on overall but had the best or 2nd single target damage

[spice surge]

And people would complain a lot

[stable storm]

wierd caues true

[spice surge]

Has happened very many times

[grim jay]

Nah because you assume way too much

[weak crescent]

so it filled a nice niche while not stepping on toes of everyone else

[stable storm]

ofc but thats not something blizzard really "controls"

[spice surge]

It is

[stable storm]

but if the gap between top to bottom dps specs were tighter, the overall majority of the playerbase would benefit*

if blizzard had the approach of making stuff balanced there wouldnt be the insane stigma of "aug mandatory" in a +13

[stiff edge]

Guys. Is My'das Talisman from atal better than the sandglass trinket in m+ ?

[subtle tundra]

i wonder if you realise how much popularity and encounter designs by themselves skew statistics

[spice surge]

How "tight" does it need to be? Checking volcoross logs rn all specs beside 2 are within 5% of the average spec

[stable storm]

not for assa

[spice spire]

For this spec no

[stable storm]

are they the same ilvl?

[subtle tundra]

💀

yea this is over

[spark scaffold]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stable storm]

in top 95 or the average?

[spice surge]

95

[stable storm]

shit no way

send me the log

[grim jay]

Well its just a wild take, like the one you have where you need to play meta for title. Its a mindest you gain by consuming media

[stable storm]

this last week after changes?

[stable storm]

i know way too many people who dont play meta and couldnt under almost any circumstances get title last season

4 specs dominating 80% or so of the title doesnt leave much for others

[grim jay]

Have you ever thought about them just not being good enough or having enough time?

[subtle tundra]

isnt that skill issue?

[hard river]

those 177 affliction lock players better make look it good on logs or blizzard fails at balance

[subtle tundra]

also, last season was a very very odd season in terms of balance

[stable storm]

I have personally seen them, multiple times a day, multiple weeks, queue and/or LFG for 3+hours for days on 26+ keys only to not get accepted due to not being a mage/aug/spriest

[spice spire]

Ur so real for this

[stable storm]

or to go in wipe and deplete

[shrewd crescent]

Is it normal to be energy starved mid raid boss?

[spice spire]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[spice surge]

Its actually the MM hunters bringing it down

[subtle tundra]

what does that have to do with balance?

thats community perception

[stable storm]

ppl are always gonna play whatever is the most OP to get title, as long as that title isnt tied to individual specs

[grim jay]

What does that have to do with them being good enough or even spending much time? There are people going for title that play like 12h a day

[subtle tundra]

that title shouldnt be per individual specs

[grim jay]

And pugging isnt the way to get title either r

[stable storm]

community perception is how you get into groups

[grim jay]

Not pugging is how you get title

[subtle tundra]

there will always be a popular comp

[stable storm]

yea, look at quack for example (top 10 windwalker)

his group didnt want him playing windwalker

[subtle tundra]

this season?

[stable storm]

last

this ssn he already swapped to dh for m+

like need to note that

we're talking about 26+ keys type meta

below that you can play 4 dps and still time keys

i dont get why they can do individual title thresholds for specs in solo shuffle, but not apply that to m+

if you are really good at your spec, and dedicate time to it, why not get rewarded?

[subtle tundra]

+26s are still "low" this season

for most dungeons

[stable storm]

i cant agree w/ that

[near valley]

Weed brownies tbh

[stable storm]

bro tf are roblox keys

[spice spire]

Man can’t see an x

Damn

[spice surge]

.__.

[stable storm]

oh bro

who tf picks up a meme format and removes a word, then proceeds to add another one with the exact same formatting wtf

[subtle tundra]

+30s have been timed in the first month of the patch

+26s this season will be incredibly easy

[royal lantern]

raid was cleared in under 3 weeks, piss easy raidtier tbh

[shrewd crescent]

does this takes place after cds/opener or always?

[stable storm]

have you done any?

[subtle tundra]

We are speaking in the context of getting title

[stable storm]

ur not getting title with 26s

[subtle tundra]

Yes cause what I'm doing is relevant to the conversation

[stable storm]

can you elaborate on why you think +26s are incredibly easy?

[royal lantern]

current m+ season is more on the easy side, thats true

[subtle tundra]

You know what

Nope

I don't care

[warped folio]

I'm comparing an opening on a boss (Volocross) and the person I'm comparing to did substantially more damage with Kingsbane (avg hit). My last two ticks were higher dmange, but the front was weaker. Am I just not getting enough instant poison procs?

[subtle tundra]

I'll be talking to a wall

[stable storm]

you cant elaborate on a point you've made which seems a bit excessive?

[quartz locust]

what trinkets do you both have

[warped folio]

Witherbark and sandglass

[subtle tundra]

Want me to get into a rant about player dmg and hp mobs and dungeon design

Cause I wont

[warped folio]

too slow getting the orbs?

[subtle tundra]

6 of the 8 dungeons are so easy mechanically

[feral mason]

Classic RH discussion

[quartz locust]

possible, if his early hits are higher, he might be getting 2 early and minmaxing the 3rd better

[stable storm]

"+26s are incredibly easy because i said so"

[subtle tundra]

Oh no I got portrayed as a wojak

[quartz locust]

yo someone ping me when this lame argument is over

[subtle tundra]

I lost the argument

[spice surge]

In the context of getting title 26s are low and easy

[gaunt isle]

does signet sim more than hourglass because my haste is shit? or does cataclysmic signet brand not get full value in sims for some reason? thought it would be BiS if same ilvl

[stable storm]

ngl you did man fr

[spice surge]

For the average player +26s are not easy

[grim jay]

No u

[stable storm]

can u post log

of the fight

[spice surge]

Theres context, perhaps dont ignore it and act agressively and you'll get more engaged responses

[warped folio]

If you are asking me: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/fFwtbrCvJ4AkZDym/4zx2b37cj8C16RkG#fight=13,26&Isource=8,Jpedging&type=damage-done&start=1580582,5258242&end=1615648,5293308

[feral mason]

yo are u the “i dont trust wow tooltips” guy

@stable storm

[stable storm]

"i dont trust wow tooltips"
"sims are goofy"
"weakauras are chinese spyware"
amongst other absolute truther facts

[regal crest]

based

[royal lantern]

mate, varas has his way with words

but its true that m+ this season is more easy, when i can pug a +25key with no communication, which was a thing you could only dream about at df launch, the difficulty went down a bit

mob packs explode and are easy to handle, timers are very generous, it all adds up

[royal lantern]

can i be the chad?

[subtle tundra]

Yes sir

[grim jay]

But you are

[feral mason]

m+ free fr

[royal lantern]

[stable storm]

windwalker "generous pour" talent used to say, since the release of the new trees, that you'd get 4% avoidance, when in reality it has been 4% aoe damage reduction, which got finally corrected/changed last season

[subtle tundra]

Time to be the gymcel

[stable storm]

there are other examples

[fossil seal]

sometimes to read this is more content than anything

[stable storm]

i dont know how our conversations still dont get as wierd as the stuff whispyr and some of the more veteran members said has happend here

[royal lantern]

nerd bashing is peak Entertainment

[feral mason]

Gotta appreciate the content generators sometimes too

[stable storm]

im yet to check out the famous wowhead comment section haters (?)

[fossil seal]

i love that just balance the class talk, can we go back please

[near valley]

Yesterday was pretty classic sin

[shrewd crescent]

is 2 on use trinkets a good idea?

[grim jay]

I mean

[feral mason]

“Guys how big is the nerf that just went live in %”

[grim jay]

Its not entirely wrong in function

[shrewd crescent]

macro one on Death mark and the other on Kingsbane

[stable storm]

the average person would have read the tooltip and thought otherwise

[royal lantern]

whisp losing his mind, quake doing log reviews, people beeing shocked that 3% nerf means 3% nerf and not 30%

the ussual stuff

[feral mason]

Wouldnt recommend it unless you have literally nothing else that sims better

Usually doodoo though

[stable storm]

spec is ruined, billions must pad

[near valley]

Tale as old as time

[feral mason]

Do you have a wojak sticker server / folder?

because if so you are beyond saving

[near valley]

Nerf is so big I'm still not outlaw in raid

[feral mason]

If only law had consistent burst

[near valley]

If only law

Ftfy

[spice surge]

#assassination message
Blizzard doing their usual predictable script so obviously RH follows and does the same

[stable storm]

ok @warped folio

im looking at some stuff before rotation etc but according to log

not only are you like 20 ilvls behind, you dont have 4p yet

envenom big dam = good

[near valley]

Too much power for the king of +15s

[warped folio]

I have 4p. Maybe the armory is out of date

[feral mason]

“yeah law players were clearing 15s too consistently so we nerfed em”

-🤓

[royal lantern]

tbf

would not call it sub tier

[stable storm]

bro

did you auto from steath instead of garrote?

[royal lantern]

they just do different stuff

[near valley]

Sub has burst when u need it

[warped folio]

Garrote

[near valley]

Sin has burst when u like it

Or something idk

[royal lantern]

assa has execute

[near valley]

Idk what sin players have

[royal lantern]

which is kinda big

[near valley]

Except no maidens

[feral mason]

absolutely zero hoes

[royal lantern]

JOKES ON YOU im into guys

[feral mason]

negative even

[feral mason]

me too but i turned my ex straight

washed up gay

[near valley]

Bold of to assume I didn't know that

[royal lantern]

[warped folio]

It's possible that log window clipped the start and doesn't show the initial garrote, sorry

[near valley]

Conversion therapy lmao

[feral mason]

Religious parents

[spice surge]

If they dont nerf it its absolutely a sub tier now

[fossil seal]

sin is still busted, need nerfs, buff outlaw

[royal lantern]

can sub on DN

[near valley]

Depends which religion we talking here

But I can guess

[real stirrup]

does sophic or wafting influence energy in any way?

[stable storm]

@warped folio ok openers seem fine, the other rogue here has more aug shit funneled into him

[royal lantern]

and lets be honest, sub/enh/bm will get some adjustments aswell soon lol

[near valley]

True

[warped folio]

ah, i missed that

[near valley]

Ele tier is upon us

[royal lantern]

im more confused that it didnt happend allready

[near valley]

Ele so fun shooting meatballs

[stable storm]

@warped folio ok before checking other stuff (other people here way more qualified for it)
i can see that the other rogue is getting almost 100% special aug attention, both openers seem fine, kingsbane also

[waxen oyster]

what about demo

that spec is kinda cooked too

[near valley]

No

[warped folio]

ok, thanks for the feedback

[stable storm]

100%

[near valley]

Demo just came back from being down bad

[royal lantern]

cus we talk about stuff getting nerfs

warlock and nerfs lol

next you tell me that mage can be mediocre for more then 3weeks without getting 20% buffs

[near valley]

Too early to pull the trigger again

[stable storm]

demo is fine, other stuff just needs to be buffed too

[waxen oyster]

ahh yes

mage is the main character

rest of us are in the words of wise gromnak

fruit vendors

[near valley]

Just remember

If ur ever feeling down

[waxen oyster]

i think they buffed mage more than ww

[regal crest]

is arterial precision the better m+ build now?

[near valley]

Remember you don't play WW

[waxen oyster]

and ww was actually down bad

[stable storm]

this is true

real talk

[waxen oyster]

i do find it funny mage changes they have to add

(does not apply to pvp)

[stable storm]

its like you said

mages and the caster mafia are the main characters

we're just side quest npcs

but i rest my case wont say more

or the CIA will get my ass

[near valley]

Ele aint nothing but the tutorial char that dies b4 the main story

[coarse bear]

I mean all three mage specs were down pretty bad in raid

[royal lantern]

sure

sure

[stable storm]

bro ele so fun

[royal lantern]

they always say that

[stable storm]

i like ele boomy but im so bad at them

[royal lantern]

cus "downbad" for mage means "its kinda mid"

[coarse bear]

Wat

[near valley]

Fuck boomies

Mfers the king of gaslight

[subtle tundra]

Well mages were bad asf in raid

Just good in m+

[real stirrup]

crafted a new weapon because nick didn't drop, do a fall and nick drops fml

[coarse bear]

All three specs were in the bottom 6 specs overall in raid iirc

[waxen oyster]

mages were like mid pack

on non meme fights

problem with ele is enh exists

[near valley]

Nah

[royal lantern]

yes

[near valley]

U can justify a resto too

[royal lantern]

enh has the monopol on shaman utility for some reason

and is big dmg for ages now

[waxen oyster]

resto true

[near valley]

Ele just has fuck all u want but also a lot of it's spenders and cds do fuck all

[waxen oyster]

enh has wft

ele is uhh

a caster but you arent immortal like mage or lock

[near valley]

Ur just gaming on an uneven playing field

Doesn't help it's damage is flat as well on st

[spice spire]

Me

[waxen oyster]

i thought their damage was good?

[near valley]

Nah ur the king of my life

[subtle tundra]

I love how earthquake got a fucking 50% buff

[near valley]

Indeed

[subtle tundra]

Imagine how down bad it has to be

To get 50%

[near valley]

Now u can somewhat try and use it more frequently

Still shit though

[subtle tundra]

Yea I did 4 keys with ele today and he was barely using it

[waxen oyster]

if you wanna trigger boomkins

ask them why they dont use their 0 cd defensive more

[subtle tundra]

Well shamans have the same but worse

They have to wait as well to get the dr

[near valley]

Oh ghost wolf

I was wondering what u meant

Yeah that is top tier kek defensive

[waxen oyster]

do shamans even have defensive

besides astral shift

[near valley]

Yes

[subtle tundra]

Elemental

[waxen oyster]

idk if earth ele hp exists sfill

[near valley]

Earth ele and ghost wolf

[subtle tundra]

Earth boy

[royal lantern]

ankh

[subtle tundra]

Tru

[near valley]

But ghost wolf takes 4 secs to actually give u 20% dr

[waxen oyster]

ankh is an immunity with a 30min cd

if you think of it

[near valley]

So u gotta open that minds eye

[near valley]

True

Also adds +5 secs to ur keystone

[subtle tundra]

And a mechanic cheese

Like on fyrakk to reset stacks ✋

[near valley]

Also countered by any lingering ground effects

[waxen oyster]

stack reset?

its called dwarf

[near valley]

Dwarf shaman ez

[subtle tundra]

The seed stacks

From last phase

Mythicc

[near valley]

Unkillable demon king

[waxen oyster]

ngl idk what race sims higher on sham even

[dense aurora]

I know sims > stat weights in guides but at ~482 it seems like haste is being weighted pretty heavily in all the sims I'm running lately in ST, even with PI turned on, which is pretty surprising to me. Sitting at around ~4800 crit, ~4000 mastery, ~2500 haste. and some negligible amount of vers. this gel with other folks? or do sims overvalue haste to some extent? having to make some crafting choices and hoping to overlap with sub as much as I can.

[near valley]

The same as almost every class

[subtle tundra]

Tauren is good I believe

[near valley]

Dwarf tauren

[waxen oyster]

nah not dh

[near valley]

Well that's where the almost comes into play

[waxen oyster]

ye

[subtle tundra]

No evoker either

[near valley]

Not with that attitude

[waxen oyster]

well ig for rogue dwarf tauren is only highest for outlaw

since human on sin is a bit higher

and velf on sub

[royal lantern]

race reroll

[mighty nexus]

human BiS for everything tbh. cc break nice

[waxen oyster]

i mean i went dwarf late s2

because healers asleep at the wheel on dispels

was triggering

[subtle tundra]

Yea I wish I were dwarf

[waxen oyster]

human is such a good qol

[subtle tundra]

For fyrk

[waxen oyster]

for content

[mighty nexus]

I literally race changed from velf to human solely for tswift prog bc team didn’t have fingers and couldn’t break roots fast enough

[royal lantern]

but you are a manlet irl allready

[near valley]

Void elf enjoyer

50% discount

Ez best racial

[mighty nexus]

Tentacle elves are goated

[waxen oyster]

human doesnt clear roots

[subtle tundra]

Ok I used to be a twink now I'm jacked so excuse me

[near valley]

[mighty nexus]

It doesn’t holy fuck you’re right

[subtle tundra]

And I'm not short

[mighty nexus]

I inted my race change

[royal lantern]

that makes no sense cus it doesnt clear roots and you would wipe anyway lol

[waxen oyster]

can you gnome out

of tindral root

[ancient rain]

probably

just play a pvp trinket on prog

[mighty nexus]

I ironically didn’t have issues with root dps after the race change so I never realized

[night summit]

just got the branch trinket. Is there a way to be able to see the balls easier

[royal lantern]

nope

[subtle tundra]

I fucking wish

[royal lantern]

🙂

[mighty nexus]

They’re not that bad when you get used to where they spawn. Same place 100% of the time

[subtle tundra]

On fyrakk and tindral is has been my fucking bane

[subtle tundra]

Not on the last 2 bosses on mythic cause movement on pull baby

[empty pilot]

wago branch orb tracker and it should help. wont help you see the orbs better but youll get notification when you pick them up

[waxen oyster]

branch is cursed on tindral

[royal lantern]

ASHES BABY

[waxen oyster]

with his movement

[subtle tundra]

I only have from normal

And I wouldn't use it from hc either

[royal lantern]

same

but like

i wont use branch there

[subtle tundra]

I'd rather deal with branch

[royal lantern]

fuck branch

[subtle tundra]

I fuck with branch

[waxen oyster]

ngl

[royal lantern]

2 idiots with very different mindsets

[mighty nexus]

Branch do be goated

[waxen oyster]

i kinda prefer sub only because i can play acro

[subtle tundra]

Adds spice to a boring ahhh piano

[waxen oyster]

and get cucked by tornadoes less

[ancient rain]

adds 💩 to a boring ahh piano

[mighty nexus]

I don’t get the branch hate tbh, wasn’t that hard to get used to imo

[subtle tundra]

Idk I got used to assa enough to watch shit on my 2nd monitor

[waxen oyster]

i dislike it on bosses with massive models

because sometimes the bolls are just under their nuts

[subtle tundra]

I would do it if we weren't on the hard bosses

[mighty nexus]

Only issue I have w branch is on nymue bc I already feel like I’m being flashbanged as is

[waxen oyster]

the worst part about branch is

seeing other people’s

[subtle tundra]

You can do it on nymue with your eyes closed what

[fallow canopy]

The only thing I hate about branch its that I am too pea brained to remember mechs before using so, imagine me pressing every CD and then Larry gives us fiery feet and my branch balls stay on a different zip code than me

fun times

[waxen oyster]

cloak

and take a lava dip

[real stirrup]

any particular rings we look out for or craft them?

[mighty nexus]

I have blue eyes brother, they’re sensitive on that fight already

It’s like opening discord in light mode

[minor gate]

???

[waxen oyster]

i’ve known 3 people who used lightmode on discord

[near valley]

Are you also a white dragon?

[waxen oyster]

all women

[minor gate]

my sister is also on lightmode

[waxen oyster]

whats the confusion

assa likes stats

[ancient rain]

we really need a role icon with a crossed out branch, fk branch

[mighty nexus]

white yes dragon no

[minor gate]

all stats?

[quartz storm]

is assa behind outlaw and sub now ? x)

[waxen oyster]

depends what boss

[quartz storm]

on m+

[mighty nexus]

Kiaba still #1 anime villain tbh

Kaiba*

I think

[weak crescent]

i liked the possesed dude

[waxen oyster]

sub depends too much on tank pulls

in m+ imo

complete opposite of outlaw who is

i have something to hit we good

[steep helm]

Guys, please can anyone here explain me how works the IGIRA dagger power? Cruel Dreamcarver, thanks

[royal lantern]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[mighty nexus]

You use it once then forget it exists

[steep helm]

Ok, just put on a macro and forgot

[subtle tundra]

Assa performance also varies wildly on tank pulling

[steep helm]

thanks

[royal lantern]

why macro lol

its 1x and then forever

[hard plaza]

with the slight nergs are there any changes to recommened builds people are running, as its a blanket nerf i presume not but just checking ^^

[mighty nexus]

no restealth = no dps gang

[steep helm]

use 1 time ? in all a mythic plus?

[subtle tundra]

Not what I meant

The no restealth thing again ✋😔

[royal lantern]

until you take the dagger off lol

[mighty nexus]

Ik, I’m just trying to fit the sin stereotype

[royal lantern]

the effect is permanent

[subtle tundra]

I will cry

[tawdry flint]

What do you mean? You keep the biff constant?

[royal lantern]

until ylu dont use the dagger

[waxen oyster]

if you take it off for awhile you can lose it

and have to get buff again

[royal lantern]

do you guys never check your buffs

[copper moth]

left one over the other onbe ?

[mighty nexus]

Yes, critter buff 100% BiS

[tawdry flint]

Which buff you guys using

[tawdry flint]

Leech seems nice

[mighty nexus]

Tbh, any buff other than speed is clearly an int

[spice spire]

Heal burr bozo

[cursive jungle]

hi guys, do we have like a crit cap or something? because raidbots keeps telling me to put more crit/mastery, and i'm getting closer to 50% crit lmao

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-spongebob-what_kind_of_place_is_this-gif-25340238

[carmine shore]

that's wild

[spice spire]

Yeah ngl

Don’t think I’ve seen that

Wild stuff

[carmine shore]

my sims love mastery til 50%+

[spice spire]

Wait

What are your trinkets

[carmine shore]

then want a spread

[waxen oyster]

mechanical buff

[carmine shore]

how does haste and vers not sim omega for you

[spice spire]

Show me the trinkets

[cursive jungle]

pip and branch

[carmine shore]

those stats break my brain

[spice spire]

Interesting

[pallid kite]

Any tips on what should i get? gloves are hero same as fingers neck is champion...

[mighty nexus]

Seems like the robot would be telling you more haste/vers

But

Robot knows all

[carmine shore]

have you done a stat weight in pure ST?

to at least identify your best rune?

[spice spire]

Stat weight

[pallid kite]

sorry not gloves wrist, those are champion

[carmine shore]

i only use stat weight with no rune applied for identifying best rune with current stats

[near valley]

Stat weights

In this economy?

[frigid kestrel]

Jesus "Stat Weights" has been said!!!!

[cursive jungle]

yesterday yea, buzzing simming more than hissing and howling. Could it be the pip trinket?

[frigid kestrel]

RIOT!!!!

[mighty nexus]

Legend has it, if you say “stat weights” 3 times in the mirror, Whispyr will appear

[carmine shore]

lmfao

guys RELAX

[carmine shore]

i can't see any way to understand your stat prio but so be it

[burnt venture]

Can someone post the paint graphic for branch?

[near valley]

U sim gear

[vast marlin]

Hey guys! I was running keys last night and got super frustrated with the weekly affixes. Can someone tell me how to not suck at spiteful Tyran?

[near valley]

If ur simming gear and it says yo take some verse

U know ur not in need of any more of ur highest stat

[carmine shore]

stat weights are bad because you can't account for the shift that the stats may apply and then the drastic change in stat weights with just one piece of gear being swapped. our stats are so tight that i don't see any downside to simming with no rune applied and using your best, or two best, weights for applying rune.

could be way off with that, makes sense in my brain

[spice spire]

Pad on the ghosts

You have dance and vanish for restealths