assassination

[stable storm]

get like 30%+ crit

20% haste

55+ mast

[analog path]

what is an optimal haste percentage?

[void mesa]

Xddddddd

[slim hamlet]

Thats a fuck ton of mastery

holy shit

[stable storm]

yea bro

big damage

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[stable storm]

optimal haste is generally around 390%

[slim hamlet]

Aint no way 55% is optimal with branch

[strange python]

Ahahah

[analog path]

I am at 32 Crit, 19 Haste and 47 Mastery

[proven carbon]

55% pre branch use

[void mesa]

(For the people actually asking/wondering, I am fully memeing and you shouldn't stack anything unless robot says so. Sim responsibly)

[slim hamlet]

Yea that is an insane amount

[stable storm]

not bad then

tudorot can u post gear

[balmy condor]

Why can’t blizzard not do their job for once. I know I complained that they weren’t balancing enough in shadowlands and I bitched and moaned all day and whispyr muted me a couple times because I was crying that blizzard devs don’t do shit for their job, but now that rogue is good, they’re doing their job and I don’t like that! I want them to only do their jobs when it’s in my favor smh my head shaking my head

[stable storm]

and ilvl

[arctic tusk]

is sin rogue parse stil affected without having 2 augs?

[balmy condor]

No

[slim hamlet]

The realest thing I have ever read

[arctic tusk]

dope

[proven carbon]

im at 53% pre branch use

[slim hamlet]

Why they gotta do their job the moment I don't want them to do their job

[proven carbon]

not THAT insane

[arctic tusk]

i assume they werent fixed retroactively though on WCL

[slim hamlet]

9/10 sim robots hate him

Click here to see why

[void mesa]

clicks

[slim hamlet]

I got this and sims would like a tad bit more mastery

[analog path]

With pooling I should get to 5/MAX CP and then wait for 200 energy or max?

[proven carbon]

post branch

[slim hamlet]

It is ever so slightly better than other stats

[stable storm]

@analog path if you wanna post logs i think the gang can have a look at em and help you

[slim hamlet]

Why?

[stable storm]

only 100%? lol noob

[proven carbon]

:(

[strange python]

Perma 100, m+ god

[gaunt moat]

Don't worry guys, after blizzard sees that other specs surpass sin when they get legendary, they'll buff us again

[slim hamlet]

Imagine it still wants some mastery when we are DR'd out of our minds during CDs

[arctic tusk]

if youre at 4 cp and just pooling envenoms you could go to 6 cp but if you havea bllindeside proc i assume just wait at 4 cp since youre gonna overcap otherwise?

[void mesa]

The next meme is gonna be

"I showed you my mastery% why wont you answer"

[red bloom]

Does this mean we aren’t scaling anymore? @balmy condor

[slim hamlet]

Mastery is one of the stats of all time

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

Might be the worst thing I’ve ever seen scroll across my notifications

[blazing jewel]

I LOVE SCALING

[slim hamlet]

[red bloom]

34% chance of scale

[slim hamlet]

Just like how fire mages scale insanely well and is why it was op this raid

[balmy condor]

And I’m including the guy that asked for 7-8 second 3 target sims so he can optimize his pawn string for his leveling speedrun

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[slim hamlet]

Doomblade aoe spread?

[blazing jewel]

please tell me this is a shitpost

[slim hamlet]

what about that one?

[weak crescent]

PEOPLE DO THAT xDD

[void mesa]

That was cursed af

[slim hamlet]

or the shoe size age guy yesterday?

I can think of a couple worse ones

[proven carbon]

my damage on M volc felt horrible and I cant tell if its because i had 0 augmented damage or its just me

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-meme-its-an-older-meme-but-it-checks-out-gif-14147822

[balmy condor]

I could not come up with something this deranged if I wanted to I’m afraid

[blazing jewel]

[stable storm]

what the fuck am i reading bro

[slim hamlet]

Wait

Is that guys name Harldan?

[proven carbon]

i averaged like 30-40 parse across all pulls we did before downing

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

No clue

Don’t think so

[slim hamlet]

Thats the only speedrunner I know of, but I wouldnt expect him to be that deranged

[balmy condor]

He got really upset that I wasn’t going to change the entire APL to take out cooldowns and talents he didn’t have access to

And then called me a slur

And left

[drifting cloud]

was the slur germ*n?

[balmy condor]

Gott I wish

[stable storm]

which one was it

[void mesa]

That sounds like a wowhead comment section or something

[balmy condor]

God*

[slim hamlet]

^

Tell us

[void mesa]

The public needs to know

For the story's integrity

[slim hamlet]

It can't be the worst sentence posted here even in the last 24 hours

[void mesa]

We've really become degenerates ever since the rework huh

[slim hamlet]

No

There has just been a larger influx of degens

[void mesa]

I felt like the channel was pretty tame in S1/S2

[slim hamlet]

That joins, barely loses the sprout role and begins cooking

[red bloom]

We’re PI junkies, can’t get more degen now

[stable storm]

bro anyone know wtf these are for?

[slim hamlet]

Despair

[slim hamlet]

???

[feral mason]

[stable storm]

new poe season man

[slim hamlet]

Bro has multiple bodies in his bags

and just shows it to the world

[feral mason]

so this is what they meant by body count

[slim hamlet]

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[proven carbon]

i've never had any desire to ever even download POE
i took one look at the POE talent tree and decided that the game was not for me

[balmy condor]

So like here’s the thing with the wowhead comment section. The average intelligence in there comparable to a fish bashing its head into the side of its tank to escape. But they’re consistent. Discord channels are home to on average more reasonable people, but there’s insane extremes on both sides. You get really really smart, super friendly people. And then you get people that make it difficult to believe in humans having shared evolutionary ancestry

[balmy condor]

You place them on the ground for the new ascendancy, blood hunt, so you can get the damage bonus against that type

[stable storm]

Oh I need to be specced into that ascendency?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[stable storm]

im doing wild wood guy cos RF slots are funny

• 20slot bag

[balmy condor]

It’s a skill that ascendancy gives

You aren’t that one

So dw bout it

[slim hamlet]

That is probably one of the smartest roasts I have ever read, big W if u thought of that one yourself 🏅

[stable storm]

ah yea nevermind then

[feral mason]

I was reminded of this when we went through some of the copypastas in RH history in OT, truly some unique people out there

[slim hamlet]

Is the IQ talent a hero talent not yet available?

[stable storm]

im gonna buy random bodies and give them to friends that are specced into it

[slim hamlet]

Or is it just about leveling more?

[void mesa]

So what you're saying is I could be real smart and/or real dumb and I have to guess which one depending on my favorite secondary stats

[balmy condor]

The 3 typos I left in

[balmy condor]

Most people here, lurk or otherwise, are in the middle

[void mesa]

Damn

I wanted to get roasted 😦

[balmy condor]

Omni go back from whence you came

[slim hamlet]

Still

[void mesa]

I guess I stopped posting logs since they are terrible (wtb WFT)

[slim hamlet]

Is that one specific wowhead commenter still there everytime btw Whispyr?

u know who I mean

[balmy condor]

Yes

[slim hamlet]

Can't remember name

xd

[balmy condor]

Xaethron

[slim hamlet]

that's the one

[stable storm]

warcraft logs doesnt count PI / aug dmg right?

[rustic minnow]

Is it bepples?

[slim hamlet]

Professional hater

[drifting cloud]

xaethron the goat

[slim hamlet]

He has to be paid to be so consistant

[void mesa]

PI and Windfury yes, aug no

[feral mason]

Imagine being so wrong on something you can easily prove is wrong, you mute somebody for calling out your bullshit act, which is acting right when you are actually wrong about the subject currently being discussed (soothing got a nerf which means it isn't a net 0 change) While LMFAO'ing me despite you clearly being wrong if you thought for one second about it.
"LMFAOOOOO"
"He still has no idea"
But no you have the special role so whatever you say is law.
1984

Still my favorite pasta in this disc this year

This was about crimson vial / soothing adjustments btw

[balmy condor]

Aug is reattributed to the Aug, PI and windfury are given to the person benefitting from them

[stable storm]

okay thank you

[slim hamlet]

PI yes, aug normally no, but there are some shenanigans right now with stuff not working

[stable storm]

i didnt know man i usually like

only play windwalker so im neglected by everyone

and pi is bad on us

[rustic minnow]

Pi isn't good on us either

Not anymore, 3% changed everything

[stable storm]

yea rn I think spec is over

[arctic tusk]

does 3% auto attack dmg matter

[stable storm]

D tier 100%

[arctic tusk]

like

how much are our autos doing

[feral mason]

3% ability and aa damage gangy

[arctic tusk]

windfury is op just for poisons too so that wouldnt matter

[feral mason]

just their way of saying the class does 3% less damage now

outside of trinkets

[rustic minnow]

I wish we had dust instead of sub

[raven egret]

Get out

[void mesa]

[stable storm]

i wish ass had monk xuen instead of kingsbane, and the xuen would give you the 30% haste from the talent, alongside applying poisons instead of doing autos/lightning dmg

[rustic minnow]

Imagine that, every 10 seconds it's CTs as well

[slim hamlet]

wtf did i just read

[void mesa]

I think I need more drinks

This is derailing hard

[slim hamlet]

at least double

[stable storm]

sounds good

[rustic minnow]

Im pretty sure when I saw the nerf I literally shrunk 3% in height

[void mesa]

I picked a real good time to gear up my feral

[slim hamlet]

my pp size definitely shrunk

[fallow canopy]

I'm seeing a pattern lately of late night and insanely burnt kitchens in this channel

[slim hamlet]

Perfect time u say this

Whispyr has been cooking for a while now

[stable storm]

nah but like assa so good rn bro i cant complain like i do with windwalker

[leaden cipher]

2.988262838374639282629592716% smaller?

[stable storm]

only thing i can complain about is how bad i play it sometimes

[slim hamlet]

around that

its autos didn't get nerfed tho

so idk

prolly like 2.7%

[stable storm]

ok, so? it's all about time efficiency, you shower faster, you pee faster (less travel time in urethra)
all of this allows you to have more uptime in wow with assa dots

its bis tbh

[rustic minnow]

My kingsbane was parried on Wednesday, wtf is life

[stable storm]

I SAW THAT ON TWITTER

[slim hamlet]

"less travel tme in urethra"

[stable storm]

nah bro bosses being able to parry kingsbane is CRAZY (go behind the boss)

[slim hamlet]

I had double parry on tindral heroic boost run

https://tenor.com/view/diesofcringe-gif-24606059

[balmy condor]

I wish we had swords, and caustic spatter did all damage, but it was a buff on you, and every time you spent combo points, your cooldowns got reduced, but then right, I think that maintaining bleeds with that might be a bit weird, so we can get rid of the bleeds, and then instead of that, just have a bunch of procs. And maybe the proc could be like a gun or something and you hit them with a quick shot. Maybe call it uh, blicky clicky idk. And then you could have this other thing, like a bigger gun, and you could pull it out and big damage, and you could like be a sniper with it or whatever like “shoot em between the top of their forehead and the bridge of their nose” or something, make it a voice line.

Idk maybe that would be cool

[rustic minnow]

Press all my cds, look at my WA's and kingsbane is greyed out. Like cmon

[slim hamlet]

Sounds good as long as we still use double dagger

[rustic minnow]

Hit em with the blicky clicky

[fallow canopy]

And we should change the name to something cool but slightly edgy

Like ruffian or smth

[rustic minnow]

Just grow a 3rd arm then we can use 3h swords

[balmy condor]

Street Hooligan

[feral mason]

Space buccaneer coming soon

[balmy condor]

Distasteful individual

[slim hamlet]

Maybe Fugitive

or Desperado

[stable storm]

would be nice to have a spec in the game like this

[feral mason]

Devious Delinquent

[rustic minnow]

Call it inlaws

[slim hamlet]

Outcast maybe

[fallow canopy]

I'm vibing with desperado

[storm forum]

whispyr how much do you need to drink/smoke/snort to get through the nerf days?

[fervent jasper]

Is crab and branch a good trinket combo?

[balmy condor]

No wonder I hate them so much

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s pretty good

[slim hamlet]

[fervent jasper]

What's BiS?

[balmy condor]

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[slim hamlet]

I KNEW IT

[rustic minnow]

Box box?

[slim hamlet]

WHY DID I KNOW IT WOULD BE THAT

OR I MEAN THIS

[fervent jasper]

Already did that twice today

[balmy condor]

Branch + pips in m+, with crab being close
Branch + sandglass/signet in single target

[balmy condor]

you like bubble wrap?

[storm forum]

the only question was how much it was vibrating

[fervent jasper]

Ok i don't raid so I have BiS for what I'm gunna get

[slim hamlet]

[limpid plinth]

How logs work do we just parse lower when we spec gets nerfs or?

[slim hamlet]

is this some deez nuts joke

[rustic minnow]

Logs work like a stat sim, don't do it

[fallow acorn]

I use branch + sandglass

[slim hamlet]

Stat weights and pawn is all I live for

[balmy condor]

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[storm forum]

I love stat weights

[feral mason]

As long as you’re not getting rank 1 parses or 0 parses then it is kinda meh

[slim hamlet]

It took me a good 15 clicks before I realised it was meant to be like bubble wrap

[raven egret]

I'm popping

[balmy condor]

[storm forum]

this feels like minesweeper, click all the pops before you click a nut

[slim hamlet]

Thought it was some kind of hidden message

at some point it would be an emote or something

[balmy condor]

it's pixel art

[red bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/henry-thierry-henry-henry-face-smirk-arsenal-legend-gif-25770069

[balmy condor]

but you have to make the image yourself

[rustic minnow]

I've got some dank pixel art on my single player minecraft world

[slim hamlet]

What does this look like to you?

[whole mason]

how about other encounters?

[slim hamlet]

Like one of those personality tests

[balmy condor]

it's abstract

[slim hamlet]

Certainly

[stable storm]

two bears high fiving

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

my moms fifth wedding

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[rustic minnow]

Looks like a 3 laid down flat, like a 3% nerf or something

[storm forum]

kind of disappointed there weren't any nuts in the bubblewrap

[storm monolith]

alright

[slim estuary]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[storm monolith]

time to resume leveling

[balmy condor]

oh god

[slim hamlet]

U sure u can kill mobs with 3% nerf?

[balmy condor]

not on nerf day

[storm monolith]

about to find out

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-its-about-to-go-down-calm-before-the-storm-gif-4420127

[storm monolith]

i actually did die to a rare yesterday while in draenor lol

[slim hamlet]

Time to game some world quests Whispyr

[rustic minnow]

I only parse 100 on world quests

[balmy condor]

I'm opening maplestory, I'm at work, sorry can't answer any questions anymore

what even is this game

never heard of it

[red bloom]

If we do 3% damage when this patch comes out, how much less damage will we be doing?

[balmy condor]

the daggers in the icon are christmas trees

[storm monolith]

it's a majestic piece of shit

[slim hamlet]

Also that world quest sim option coming along or?

[balmy condor]

can't be real

[storm monolith]

maplestory used to be fantastic

but it's fallen off

[slim hamlet]

Just like me

[rustic minnow]

Would u say its fallen off about 3%?

[storm monolith]

i'm considering playing outlaw

just to see what it's like

[slim hamlet]

I peaked in high school

[storm forum]

I peaked in elementary school

[slim hamlet]

[storm monolith]

i still think assassins are cooler than cowboys and pirates, but i can't help but wonder

[slim hamlet]

what about shadow clones?

[red bloom]

Is 3% less damage impactful still if I have 34% crit?

[storm monolith]

ehhhhhh

[wild condor]

Is Sin still the best spec to play in raid and M+?

[wide ferry]

the whole pirate thing is dumb af. Give me combat back.

[rustic minnow]

Anyone else doing 3% less damage all of a sudden? Trying to comb through my logs and figure it out

[storm monolith]

the only time i think shadow clones is cool is if we can make a SHIT ton of them

[slim hamlet]

at 34% crit it's about a 3.0126% nerf actually

[storm monolith]

i want an army of me's

[red bloom]

I’m doomed

[storm monolith]

it's why i think windwalker is garbage

[red bloom]

My guild might kick me

[slim hamlet]

Please don't

[storm forum]

I'm playing sin because I couldn't decide between ninjas and pirates

best decision paralysis of my life

[storm monolith]

why do people call it sin

[rustic minnow]

Hopefully next xpac when they bring out the new sub classes one is called naruto

[storm monolith]

be funny and call it ass

[slim hamlet]

assasSIN

[stable storm]

anyway man i cannot lie

[feral mason]

ass^2in

[stable storm]

you guys are like the windwalker players, most helpful, godbless

[red bloom]

Oh wait I’m in smolderon sub prison kekw

[slim hamlet]

I send a question in BM discord 3 hours ago

[rustic minnow]

At least we are more civilised then dh discord

[slim hamlet]

There hasn't been a message since

[stable storm]

Bro?

3 buttons on bm

what do you need to know

[keen spruce]

they're still trying to figure out how to use their keyboards

to respond

[slim hamlet]

oh wait it just didn't load

[storm monolith]

i would imagine bm discord is filled only with "which pet is best" discussions

[stable storm]

ahHAHAAH

[red bloom]

They got 3? I’m counting 2

[storm monolith]

i mean i like bm as a spec tbh

[stable storm]

is there a bis pet?

per like pet family thing

[storm monolith]

absolutely

for instance, i think King Rezhan is the best pet

[rustic minnow]

Poodle is bis tmog pet

[slim hamlet]

I like the idea of playing a hunter because my hunter tmog is sick

[storm monolith]

take that back

[slim hamlet]

That's about the only reason

[pale wave]

damn errone rerollin now

[stable storm]

you can pet him? oh shit

[storm monolith]

yes

[stable storm]

every time i tried hunter id get the raptor from the wotlk dungeon

[slim hamlet]

big

[stable storm]

or a gorilla or smt

[storm monolith]

if you wanna pet Razhan, you have to physically walk into the dungeon in normal mode

[stable storm]

some mail mogs slap man

[slim hamlet]

(yes I called it Zylvah because it was kinda like sylvanas so what bozos)

[stable storm]

oh i also rly like the insect pets

[storm monolith]

i hate most insect pets i'll be honest

[slim hamlet]

I farm cockroaches irl

[rustic minnow]

Ur Hunter looks like a rogue

[stable storm]

im not dropping asssa until im 3k io

[slim hamlet]

It feels like home

[storm monolith]

quick question

[slim hamlet]

Good

[storm monolith]

why does io matter

[slim hamlet]

well well well

[stable storm]

maybe boost a DH whenever i get ww but im not touching the dh discord

[slim hamlet]

You will have many questions dear apprentice

[storm monolith]

like from my perspective, i've never understood io

[void mesa]

DH discord is fine

If you stay in the vengeance section

Havoc section tho 😬

[storm monolith]

isn't the number of X keys you've cleared an indication of your skill?

[slim hamlet]

U dont understand wa's

I am not suprised

[slim hamlet]

Not the number but what level of key

[rustic minnow]

It's basically a measurement of penis size

[slim hamlet]

But it actually matters

[storm monolith]

i had a single visual misunderstanding about one weak aura. the rest is me not being able to utilize them the way most people do because my brain just won't look at the bigass icons in front of me, it just automatically goes to my hotbar

[slim hamlet]

If io wasn't a thing u would never ever be able to pug anything

[storm monolith]

right, X keys. how many of X level key have you done

[slim hamlet]

not rly

I only ever look at their highest key done and the highest key done for the dungeon they apply for

[void mesa]

Its just highest key per dungeon, with Fort/Tyr split

[slim hamlet]

I have never looked at amount of 20+ runs for example

[void mesa]

Doing the same key 20+ 10 times doesnt give more IO

[storm monolith]

i'm running on the assumption, then, that io calculates based on more than just key level and number completed then?

[slim hamlet]

no

[void mesa]

Number completed is irrelevant

[slim hamlet]

Highest key done for each dungeon for tyran and fortified

[void mesa]

Its just

20++ is X io
19+ is Y io

And summs it

[slim hamlet]

if u have done a 20 darkheart fortified, and do 200 19 darkheart fortified your io will go up a grand total of 0

[storm monolith]

then why would you care about it if there's such an information gap? i know i'm missing something here

[slim hamlet]

because if u have done a 26

and is applying for a 24

[stable storm]

means you know mechanics

ez

[slim hamlet]

Then they can see, oh this guy can obviously do these keys

If they know u have done 200 +20's who cares

[storm monolith]

aren't players able to see what keys you've completed with default ui?

[void mesa]

IO is in default wow

[slim hamlet]

not sure what is default now actually

yea

[void mesa]

but yes, you can

Its the same as when people ask for AOTC achievment when doing H pug

[slim hamlet]

what does the addon actually do?

[void mesa]

Addon shows the highest key and highest for current dungeon iirc, + the number of timed per bracket

Default wow is only ilvl and IO

[slim hamlet]

oh

but IO just doesn't matter

Or it does

[void mesa]

it definitely does imo

[slim hamlet]

but I would much rather look at their highest done

[void mesa]

Ideally you just combine both info

[storm monolith]

i could have swore default told you what the highest key someone has done is

[slim hamlet]

if someone got a 27 done but 3k io I am picking him over a 24 max with 3200 io

easily

[void mesa]

the rio addon also gives main stats for alts

[slim hamlet]

oh yea that do be important

[storm monolith]

technical question. does the addon only calculate io based on keys you've completed with it installed, or can it check your backlog and calculate based on keys you've done before you had it?

[slim hamlet]

2nd

[storm monolith]

that's actually super cool

[void mesa]

IO is blizzard based, not addon based

[slim hamlet]

Everyone is registrered on raider.io

[stable storm]

think of IO akin to CSGO rank, LoL rank, chess elo, etc

[slim hamlet]

if u got it or not

[storm monolith]

please don't do this to me i play league

oh god no i can't unthink that

you fauck

[slim hamlet]

It is elo

[storm monolith]

i can feel my inner elitist rising

[slim hamlet]

for dungeons

[storm monolith]

you fuck

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1151250786077114471.webp?size=128&quality=lossless

[storm monolith]

goddamnit

[strange python]

imagine if raider io was as rigorous as chess ELO

[slim hamlet]

and the different cute colours are ranks

[stable storm]

yea i mean it is elo

except you cant lose it

[storm monolith]

that isn't the issue i have

it's the fact it exists as that concept

my desire for beeg number is so astronomical

when it comes to ranking systems

[slim hamlet]

yea u just lose irl sanity when u deplete instead

[strange python]

i like ELO as an idea

[slim hamlet]

like darkest dungeon stress bar

only gets refilled when timing big io keys

[strange python]

oh man id be insane in one weekend

[slim hamlet]

I am

🙂

[storm monolith]

ya know, i've never done super high keys, so i have to ask something for those of you who have

assume that you're doing a 20 key, you've got all the affixes at that point right?

[slim hamlet]

ye

I believe it is 14 now for all?

[strange python]

20 is kinda md

[storm monolith]

ok and when you get to higher keys, the only difference is the damage and health increase for mobs right?

[slim hamlet]

yes

[strange python]

basically yea

its an infinite scaling

[slim hamlet]

So u got less time aka u gotta pull more so there is also a different mechanic check

[storm monolith]

so mechanically speaking, there is no functional difference. am i to assume, then, that the actual difficulty comes from having your cooldowns displaced more and more because you're spending more time healing and dpsing the same group of enemies?

[slim hamlet]

I guess

[strange python]

most mechanics turn in to one shots the higher you get

[slim hamlet]

U are ideally not spending more time for each mob

U just gotta be able to pull more

and live it

[strange python]

the higher you go the more you want liveable specs

[slim hamlet]

Specially this season

[storm monolith]

i would imagine there reaches a critical mass point the higher you go then, where you CANNOT pull more to keep the key timed, cause you just don't have the raw healing and DR necessary to keep people alive

[strange python]

the passive damage gets out of control

[slim hamlet]

This season is fucking demonic with mob health vs mob dmg

They have way too little health compared to dmg

[storm monolith]

nah see that's the fun part

kill them before they kill you

[slim hamlet]

Trust me it isn't

That aint how it is

All it does is predefine some specs to be absolutely unuseable because they can't live

Even tho they might do more dmg and have better util

[strange python]

this week is a wild example. Fort AND Bolstering, a combo that never shoudl exist

[storm monolith]

i hope that doesn't include brewmaster

i was wanting to try a tank at some point

[slim hamlet]

tank dmg isn't too bad

tanks are very strong in general right now

[stable storm]

ye aman

not getting those 30min back

[slim hamlet]

The best tanks are the ones that can help rest of group live

[stable storm]

maybe 1hour if you queueing for higher keys

[storm monolith]

so just paladin

[slim hamlet]

thats how u know it is cringe oneshots

pala + dh mostly yea

[storm monolith]

wait DEMON HUNTER helps the party live?

[slim hamlet]

yes

Darkness is op af

[storm monolith]

that class doesn't look like the helping type. what does it do?

[slim hamlet]

And they got big cc for packs

[strange python]

im still surprised that bolster and fort is allowed to be a thing

[storm monolith]

i saw a video today about some guy saying bolster is an affix that can't be salvaged

[slim hamlet]

I'm still suprised that bolster is allowed to be a thing*

[strange python]

haha yeah

ban bolster

[storm monolith]

what does it even do?

[slim hamlet]

I wonder how much the dungeons completed chart goes down this week

give dmg to other enemies near ones u kill

[storm monolith]

well shit

[slim hamlet]

Real quick becomes one shotty

[strange python]

with no way to ,itigate

mitigate

[storm monolith]

uhhhhhhhhhhh i guess a pseudo way to take care of it is to cc important mobs away from the group then kill stuff?

[strange python]

sounds like infested

[slim hamlet]

nah

That would be insane time loss

[strange python]

ingested is the single woest mechanci ever put in to dngeons

[slim hamlet]

Maybe some very specific mobs with very specific pulls

[slim hamlet]

Didn't play

L bozo

[strange python]

brign back baron salami affix

[slim hamlet]

Only played during awakened which everyone loved

[storm monolith]

i got called ugly

said my mog was bad

[slim hamlet]

show mog

[storm monolith]

no it's bad

[strange python]

i am happy that the devs said we wanrt the dungeon mechanics to be front and center

not affixes

[storm monolith]

ok but did they actually deliver on that

[strange python]

11.0 will FIX IT ALL

have FAITH

[storm monolith]

people thought shadowlands would be better than bfa

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/warning-alert-sign-gif-18652042

Copium alert

[storm monolith]

what is this bowling alley strike display lmao

[slim hamlet]

idk

ask discord

[strange python]

i am a pax dei fan, i am already overloade on copium

[storm monolith]

do you think they'll add a new class in 11.0?

[strange python]

TINKER PLEASE

[storm monolith]

but we already have engineering crafter

[strange python]

I would also accept a rogue tank

[runic hinge]

show mog

[storm monolith]

no it's bad

[strange python]

that uses staffs

[runic hinge]

show mog

[storm monolith]

[strange python]

I miss asmons transmog comps 😦

[storm monolith]

you asked for this

[strange python]

i am a set wearing Andy, i lack creativity

[storm monolith]

mind, this is literally only on me cause i'm leveling

[strange python]

can we really judge a non max lvl char tho

[storm monolith]

hell i'm in shadowmoon RIGHT NOW to go through black temple for a set of pants

[runic hinge]

same

[storm monolith]

speaking of mogs, i gotta find some people to go through nighthold mythic with me

[strange python]

i just wear mage tower set cos its shiny and bright

[storm monolith]

speaking of, if i go through mage tower now can i get alternate artifact appearance for weapon?

[runic hinge]

not anymore

[storm monolith]

sadge

[strange python]

set andy

[storm monolith]

man it's gonna be WEIRD if our world egg hatches

[strange python]

0 creativity

[storm monolith]

you're gonna see an npc named "Azeroth"

[runic hinge]

Same tho

[strange python]

I saw a paladin in Valdrakken the other day called Uther, no ASCII, no special symbols

and his title was The Lightbringer

I thought blizz banend direct copies of lore character names

[storm monolith]

probably some chinese character put in the name that the ui doesn't recognize and made it appear blank

[maiden sierra]

bis mog

[keen spruce]

that is

roughly

700% too edgy

to be bis

[maiden sierra]

venthyr rp man

cant fail the rp check

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

I still think I win

[keen spruce]

scana wannabe

[slim hamlet]

idek what scana looks like

bozo

[keen spruce]

looks a lot like that

[maiden sierra]

full set andy

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

Not fully but so?

[balmy condor]

scana is a cutiepie

[slim hamlet]

It looks great with belf zombie + venthyr tombstone back + sub artifact

[slim hamlet]

That aint even close to mine

[keen spruce]

i like this one but i haven't used it in a hot minute

[balmy condor]

I wanna get all up in those veneers kyle

[blazing jewel]

meow for me

[balmy condor]

meow

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

[last onyx]

[blazing jewel]

im getting an irl pi rn

[maiden sierra]

[balmy condor]

why y'all acting weird

[slim hamlet]

[blazing jewel]

woof

[slim hamlet]

Yea it's us that's the problem

[keen spruce]

dis what i been usin

[balmy condor]

I'm just rizzing myself a side piece

[keen spruce]

and i have the logs to prove it

[slim hamlet]

DH looking ahh

[keen spruce]

many horny bois

in my DMs

and by many i mean one weirdo

[maiden sierra]

[keen spruce]

and scana

[slim hamlet]

Don't call me out

the fuck

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

yo it's fine, 1 girlfriend, 1 boyfriend

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[balmy condor]

if weekends are for "the boys"

then I need to get myself some boys

ya know

it makes sense if you don't think about it

[blazing jewel]

cute eboys only

📈

[slim hamlet]

Thought u were egirl Scana

[balmy condor]

scana is an eboy

[slim hamlet]

All my DM's for nothing

[blazing jewel]

no

[dusk sun]

how much will the nerfs impact sin? in terms of %'s

[balmy condor]

3%

[slim hamlet]

idk I still think u should sim that

[blazing jewel]

2.9%

[dusk sun]

overall for aoe and st?

[slim hamlet]

Doesn't sound right

[balmy condor]

3% to all abilities and auto attacks

and the external damage is minimal

so

sounds like 3% to me

[slim hamlet]

Sim it or riot

[slim hamlet]

Nice enhancement shaman

[dusk sun]

3% doesnt sounds too bad

idk

[balmy condor]

I'm too lazy to do all the overrides

[primal terrace]

link items plz ;D

[balmy condor]

for it to say 2.85% or whatever

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

and then will need to increase iterations

and then the sim takes forever

nah

fuck that noise

[slim hamlet]

[blazing jewel]

thats a lot of effort

[balmy condor]

if you have to ask what a 3% nerf is in numbers then the granularity of it being 3% of 2.9%

is actually irrelevant to you

[primal terrace]

wasn't there export thingy in the dressing room in wow 😄

[fallow canopy]

a little too much of a desperado main fit but

[storm monolith]

how do i put a dagger in my other hand in mog preview mode?

[keen spruce]

blizzzard: "it's a 3% nerf to everything assas rogue related"
chatter: "So numerically... how is this gonna affect our damage? "

[strange python]

• moral impact nerf calc

[tall basalt]

ive been playing all night and havent even felt the nerf yet /s

[blazing jewel]

its basically the blizz shop firebird set and the chest is from one of the nighthold bosses

[storm monolith]

i foudn out

it's ctrl and shift

[keen spruce]

is this some shadowlands bs?

i just got it out of the rise hat transmog thing

[fallow acorn]

yah

[keen spruce]

what kinda goofy ass

[oak tangle]

are we still bis PI target

[keen spruce]

burgerking crown went to mordor

[oak tangle]

is all that matters

[storm monolith]

this is the set i'm aiming to eventually make. i'm on the hunt as we speak

[keen spruce]

lookin ass

[oak tangle]

cause as soon as we aren't bis PI target, we lose everything

[leaden cipher]

We lost pi target to uhdk, sin is basically dead now sadly. The nerf really ruined it all.

We're all just here to pay respects to what we all knew as sin rogue

[keen spruce]

we have 3 priests

[maiden sierra]

just blackmail your priest?

[storm monolith]

isn't like 99% of groups "the highest dps is usually the best player, not the best class?"

[oak tangle]

yeah but i mean like unironically, when sin no longer is a pi target, our nerf gets a bit bigger than 7%

[maiden sierra]

i mean, any top logs of any spec are getting pi, so it doesnt really matter

[leaden cipher]

If you want meta DPS just bail, if your here for haha funny dots go brrrr it doesn't matter tbh. Just play the 7% better so no pi isn't a DPS loss

[maiden sierra]

just pump and stop dooming, youre still not playing ww

[oak tangle]

top logs dont matter, what matters is optimal

[near valley]

Wrong

[oak tangle]

and even then doesnt matter

[near valley]

What matters is that outlaw still not nerfed

[proven carbon]

????

[prisma cypress]

what's the optimal way to use witherbark's branch?

[proven carbon]

i think outlaw is fine

[balmy condor]

change your name they don't have quacamole in france

[near valley]

I'm memeing

[maiden sierra]

[gaunt ledge]

which one

[near valley]

[oak tangle]

what matters is I have to press my buttons perfectly, and im competing with a kill command spammer

[sturdy mesa]

Both hot

[near valley]

Whispyr never been to French Taco Bell and it shows

[proven carbon]

[balmy condor]

le bell a la taco

[near valley]

Wee

[balmy condor]

WEEEEEEEEEEE

[leaden cipher]

There's a note about it in wowhead but use with DM and pick up 2 orbs wait like 5s and pick up the 3rd. It will usually be referenced as 1/1/7 or 1/1/4. You just don't want to be too early because you will lose the buff on the last ticks of kb

[proven carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[gaunt ledge]

debating a race change to human female

[tranquil prairie]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[keen spruce]

the alliance mog

is at least more original

bloodfang + EN shoulders

is like

83% of rogues

[weary badger]

Whats poolinh practice

[slate crown]

splish splash in the pool

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[gaunt ledge]

fair, i just got these shoulders to finally drop, same with back piece and matchign dagger

[slate crown]

check tha video #assassination message

[near valley]

I'm more of a love is I the air gas mask + blood troll chest and pants + slime backpack kinda guy

That Bane au Natural

[jade carbon]

does nerf "all abilities" also refer to talents? such as caustic splatter or suddendemise

[near valley]

Indirectly yes?

[strange python]

Does vers gain value in M+ for sin?

[hexed willow]

yes

[balmy condor]

I mean the damage that is reflected by those things got nerfed by 3%

[jade carbon]

actually, I didn't think about it. I was wondering if 3% nerf would be a real 3% or less 🤣

Yep, its stupid question

[tall atlas]

It’s sad

Unholy dk gets to be crazy with pi for like 3 years now

And we get 2 weeks

[mighty nexus]

We just don’t cry as much as uhdk

Need more complain

[sudden brook]

[balmy condor]

meanwhile every dk player begging and praying that they don't get PI

[sudden brook]

Rogue players are the biggest victims, it's no longer boomkins and warlocks

[tall atlas]

I mean warlocks do well anyway

Boomkins have their niche

[slow marsh]

Hey guys I was just thinking about coming back to the game but I just saw that sin got nerfed and the sky is falling so I'll just wait a bit longer

[tall atlas]

I just feel a pure dps spec should always be near the top

[sudden brook]

Rogue still is?

[tall atlas]

Because it’s all e we do

[balmy condor]

it is

all 3 specs

are really strong

[mighty nexus]

Sin is still goated

[tall atlas]

No I know we are still giga

[tall basalt]

give rogues brez

[tall atlas]

Just not as

[sudden brook]

What's ur point then

[tall atlas]

I dunno if my dick was 3% less hard my wife would feel if I guess

And it’s not as nice

[slow marsh]

I think rogues die too fast, they should def give more survivability then it'll be fine if we do 3% less damage

[mighty nexus]

[sudden brook]

[tall atlas]

😂😂

[balmy condor]

I'll never talk shit about #outlaw again I'm sorry

[marble hemlock]

always have been bro

[solar bramble]

So . . Time to pick up sub now eh. Before the next inevitable nerf that pi and Aug will give us

[slow marsh]

i have to get a new one with shadowblade tho

[sudden brook]

M telling u, let outlaw be op, I'll deal with the masses

It's really just to help you guys out

[young nacelle]

man heck outlaw. outlaw spec go to hell

[balmy condor]

this chat on balancing days is way more braindead than outlaw

[tall atlas]

I’ll help

[balmy condor]

it's incredible

[marble hemlock]

i mean that lowkey was already the case prior to these changes if you cared about highend mythic progression

[balmy condor]

how one note in tuning blue posts

[marble hemlock]

sub is infinitely better on smolderon, and makes a better prog spec on tindral as well

[jade carbon]

our survi is really high 😁🤣

[balmy condor]

craters the entire IQ of the channel

[sudden brook]

Sin is the fuckin nuts in fyrak tho

Compared to sub

[marble hemlock]

ehh

its aight

[young nacelle]

they saw the word "nerf" and then monkey brain took over

[marble hemlock]

if you get the full simp, then yeah, its still good

[tall atlas]

Outlaw is the way to go always and forever

Pew pew grapple hook

[balmy condor]

could do a societal study on mass hysteria using class discord chat logs honestly

[sudden brook]

Yes

[solar bramble]

Yep. And yet we still get more nerfs despite not even being the strongest. . Because pi and Aug exist. Which unfortunately do way to well with the damage profile we have (and demo last tiwr)

[marble hemlock]

what annoys me about this shit

[indigo mulch]

Uh... whaT?

[marble hemlock]

is that a class like demo or uhdk stays stupidly good for months, or entire patches

[indigo mulch]

lmao

[mighty nexus]

the funny part is most of the people crying about 3% probably don’t even play at a high enough level to feel the 3%

[marble hemlock]

guess we had our 4weeks of fun

[tall atlas]

This is what I’m saying man

[balmy condor]

lowkey no one plays at that level

when the dps swing between pulls is like 10% completely uncontrollably

no one is gonna notice 3%

[mighty nexus]

I’m still trying to feel the last 4.4%

[tall atlas]

So is my wife

[solar bramble]

Ya demo kept their limelight for awhile as did dk. The other pi abusers. Were kicked out so fast.

[jade carbon]

nerfs don't hurt, but puglife after bluepost🤣🤣

[balmy condor]

make some fucking friends then idk

[wind dune]

Do you think outlaws op in an m+ sense? I just don't like getting nerfs when it's been the only real time assa has had an m+ presence. This spec always gets fucked over due to raid performance lol

Mainly for forever guy

[sudden brook]

Sin is still very strong in raid

[indigo mulch]

This will just give my raidleader another reason to force me to play sub on tindral 😦

[tall atlas]

And M+

[indigo mulch]

[jade carbon]

my guild friends only play raids 😉

[solar bramble]

Strong enough yes. But now weaker than sub in probably most cases if I were to guess

[tall atlas]

It does the job. Not as well as OL but it’s capable if you feel like it

[marble hemlock]

i gotta be honest with you on this one: why would you ever play assa if you can play sub, and let a hunter get PI on top, while doing same/more damage at this point?

[leaden timber]

is waycrest manor 1st boss bugeed for sin rogues?>

ive had multiple runs wherein after i get MC'd i cannt use skills

[solar bramble]

Even ww eqs technically strong enough outside bleeding edge. .

[marble hemlock]

i dont wanna doom too much, but this fucking stinks

[sudden brook]

You could argue that Outlaw is too good in keys, personally I think there are a handful of good M+ specs right now and I think outlaw is just one of the good ones. Demo is good, havoc/bm are ofc good, sin has its usage still, ww just got some big buffs too

Outlaw could probably get a justified small nerf, but I'm not too invested in clases getting nerfed

[balmy condor]

like I get pugging stuff every now and then, but you're playing an mmo where all end game content is group-play. If you're unable to play the game because of pug meta you gotta figure it out

[young nacelle]

just join a guild lmao

[sudden brook]

Being in a guild is fun

[balmy condor]

it ain't the games fault

[sudden brook]

Just join a guild

[balmy condor]

yeah

[near valley]

Your thinking it's bad now? Wait till hero talents are released on ptr or 11.0 beta starts

All 3 spec channels on 5 min slowmode again

[solar bramble]

Even guilds will make you swap specs if the performance is noticeable enough. . Sin may lose pi and then the difference is noticeable

[young nacelle]

lol

[balmy condor]

I slammed a 10 min slowmode during 10.2 ptr

idc

I'll do an hour if I have to

[indigo mulch]

I remember that, that was fun.

[jade carbon]

someone got irritated 😆😆, I'm just kidding, dps is always difficult to get into the group, unless there's a DH or aug

[near valley]

He's gone wild with power

[young nacelle]

??

[near valley]

[wind dune]

yea i understand that take forsure appreciate the insight. Just wish sin could have its time to shine in keys a little longer

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-trial-crazy-evil-ill-fucking-do-it-again-gif-17111514

[solar bramble]

Even with dh/Aug it's annoying unless also a paladin or druid for bres

[mighty nexus]

Idk, I pug 100% of my keys bc I’m anti social af, and I haven’t had any issues not playing outlaw

[indigo mulch]

I'm just a little sad that they are shoving us towards sub. I feel like sin kind of lost its place when sub is stronger ST.

[solar bramble]

Agreed

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean it's kinda irritating cause every time any blue post with tuning gets posted it's the same shit "oh no, insert spec name got insert way to say decreased damage, now I can't pug every again and I'm gonna be sitting in queue for 5 hours unable to do anything

even as a joke

it's just

so old at this point

[solar bramble]

Sub also has better cd alignment in some cases and a less rigid burst that leaves more room open to adapt

[slate crown]

At the start of 10.2

[solar bramble]

Plus better survival

[young nacelle]

ive been an exclusive sin player since like mop and ive never had issues pugging keys by myself or anything so
yall overconcerned about a meta. just play what you want

[slate crown]

Pre any nerfs

It still took 5 hours to get into pug groups

with decent io

Like it's just how it is with pugs sometimes

nerfs didn't cause that

[sudden brook]

I t hink the fact that sin has good synergy with aug, and PI gives it something worth building comps around still

[indigo mulch]

I legit hate Pi, i think pi should be removed from the game completly.

[sudden brook]

I think keys aren't in a super coordinated spot atm, and sin requires some optimal setups still

I think it has a pretty good niche there as a battery for externals

[wind dune]

well gonna keep pushing as sin still currently at the 25 range but just a lil disheartening

[runic hinge]

bruh it's 3 percent

[young nacelle]

dead spec

[runic hinge]

people acting like blizz came to their house and kicked their dog

[indigo mulch]

They totally did! Trust me bro

[mighty nexus]

The annoying part is that people come in here and try to use PI as a crutch for just being ass as if doing bad dps is because they don’t get PI

[wind dune]

on top of the already 2% dungeon nerf. Stop dismissing the bigger picture but yes its still not much in the end

[indigo mulch]

I've always been a no sayer to pi. I don't think it has a place in wow. I played warlock last tier, it felt so bad not getting pi if you lacked a priest. I think pi creates more issues among the community than it does good for the game.

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh, if I'm being real for a second, it's my "job" if you wanna call it that to educate and optimize and give info to the community through my guides and streams and videos etc, it's not my job to do damage control and monkey-wrangling. There comes a time in a patch cycle with heavy rogue changes where there's 20 gorillas in the cage and one of me. So what can I do?

• I could start mass-muting for dooming, which then people would get butthurt and "it's just a joke man" and I have to sift through dozens of DM's of people taking the anger and doom they had pointed at the tuning, but now pointed at me directly. Not really a vibe
• I could slam a fat slowmode on the entire channel and the regulars and lurkers won't really care too much because they just read the pins and move on, while the angry horde has to vent their frustrations 15 minutes at a time and can't scream into the internet for free
• I could do nothing and let the server burn to the ground

for me that's an obvious choice

[near valley]

Number 3

I getcha

[sudden brook]

Understandable

[slim hamlet]

letting the server burn would legit benefit everyone the most

[slow marsh]

na not a chance

[near valley]

On a real slowmode is low key the most helpful tool

[slim hamlet]

We would all be free

[solar bramble]

True enough. I usually don't get either and so just fine. But when it's as far behind sub as it will be. Plus less defensive on top?. What's the point

[near valley]

Let's the apes organise and formulate actual sentences

[balmy condor]

would be more helpful if people took it seriously and didn't just start memeing that they're pooling energy irl

but yeh

slowmode good

[slim hamlet]

U know that will happen man

[mighty nexus]

It’s only behind sub in certain situations though. If you played sin well, you’ll still play well after the 3% nerf

[slim hamlet]

It is unavoidable

[sudden brook]

Ye basically

[indigo mulch]

Sin still pretty good against some of the fights in there. Its not a completly dead spec lol

[sudden brook]

Theres no real "good" option when it comes to controlling extremely irrational people

Sin is still very good

[slim hamlet]

We got 15 minutes to think about some stupid shit to write, so it's honestly your fault

[sudden brook]

Idk why ppl think a 3% nerf makes sin bad

Sin does jobs in raid

It does its job very good

If you play the game through WCL, yeah a 3% nerf kills the speec

Nobody who knows what they are talking about views the game, in the WCL page

[indigo mulch]

Thats how my raidleader plays the game though. 😦

[sudden brook]

Educate him then

[indigo mulch]

[sudden brook]

Thats your job

[slim hamlet]

At least they dont read it through simcraft or bloodmallet

right?

[near valley]

That's how u get 1984'd huh Guy

[indigo mulch]

He points at big number, why u no do dis number?

[near valley]

[young nacelle]

my raid lead asked my why i dont do rwf rogue numbers 😭

[sudden brook]

Then explain the game to him then

[slim hamlet]

U dont need to explain the game to people

[solar bramble]

Will it be a big enough nerf to miss bosses etc? No. But it's already a little behind sub outside niche scenarios. Add in that 3%. Idc if I'll still do fine on sin. I don't see the point in just playing sub. I'd need to addicted to sin to justify lower damage, lower survival, and a more strict burst window.

[slim hamlet]

They would know if they cared

[indigo mulch]

Hes also comparing logs from nov (pre-nerf and pre-aug hooks fixes) to my logs. 😄

[tame sand]

"You mean the numbers with 3 aug and 2 PI boss?"

[balmy condor]

this is always such a weird thing to me where are people are like "my raidleader is gonna force me to X" or whatever micro-managing raidleader thing you wanna use.

My response deadass would just be "didn't realize you were the one playing rogue"

[oak tangle]

I am my RL, all i ask is why i can't get a mythic track dagger

[balmy condor]

like

if you're good enough at your class

[sudden brook]

Then explain the game to him

[marble hemlock]

been pooling energy all of november just for you

"energy"

[mighty nexus]

Then just go play sub my dude

[balmy condor]

why the fuck is your raidlead managing you

[slim hamlet]

I was about to say

[balmy condor]

you're the expert

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

tell them to fuck off

[north tinsel]

Dude can eat a dick

[balmy condor]

you're the rogue player

[slim hamlet]

If I ever got told to play a spec, without them having a perfect reasoning I would unironically just insta find another guild

[oak tangle]

the moment someone tries to force me to play outlaw, they get gkicked

[sudden brook]

Yeah I mean, solve ur own problems bro

If ur issue is social issues idk

Figure it out

Not the games job to be balanced so you don't have to communcate with your team

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solar bramble]

Most likely will. Blizz has spoken on which spec they wish to he stronger. Just going to be a week or two of practice. . No sub guides even close to whysper for sin

[tame sand]

Garotte your RL

Silence

[marble hemlock]

i mean ill be honest, ive been OTPing for such a long time now, and even i am looked at now and asked "why are you still playing assa, isnt sub just better?" and i make my arguments and its just called cope. doesnt feel particularly great.

[slim hamlet]

Yo

[balmy condor]

that's my art you got there

[slim hamlet]

There is no way

U have been told

to play sub

right now?

[oak tangle]

my copium, is that if we take the nerf now, we can be stronger again next patch

[slim hamlet]

surely not right?

[marble hemlock]

on smolderon/tindral? absolutely

[slim hamlet]

💀

[young nacelle]

imagine not just playing the spec you wanna play and saying youre being forced to play something else bc "my rl said so :("

[indigo mulch]

I'm still in smolderon prison.

[slim hamlet]

Smolderon maybe possibly in some world

[tame sand]

Oh really ? I just searched for sin rogue in Google

Very nice art

[slim hamlet]

But also sin is just the 2nd best spec for smolderon

[indigo mulch]

@marble hemlock

[slim hamlet]

That is actually wild to me

[indigo mulch]

I thought you raidlead your guild no? Maybe i remember wrong.

[balmy condor]

yeah a friend commissioned it based on my belf at the time as a birthday present 2 years ago

[slim hamlet]

that a sin rogue in current patch (specially a long time main) is being asked to switch

[balmy condor]

always weird to see it pop up randomly

but I'm glad you like it

[marble hemlock]

well sure but its worse by a significant margin, and if you struggle on tswift roots damage because your WL has 2 left hands, then not playing sub is kinda troll on that fight as well

[slim hamlet]

huh

isn't sin the root killer

[oak tangle]

whispyr can you chill out with the skills please, got a whole population out here feeling inadequate

[marble hemlock]

roots fucking suck as assa

because of the timings

[balmy condor]

what I do

[slim hamlet]

I just remember hearing max and scripe talk about the sin vs sub for tindral

[balmy condor]

seli beat me on smolderon I'm washed up dude

[tame sand]

Damn, is there something you can't do

[balmy condor]

it's joever

[slim hamlet]

and was 99% sure that they said sin is better for roots

[marble hemlock]

if you pop dm on pull, then its up like 5seconds into the shield in p2, and your KB will be up exactly as the roots are spawning, so you basically have no KB caustic spread either unless you desync your CDs or do some rancid blessing of autumn shit

or fuck your opener on purpose

[slim hamlet]

Haven't looked at anything myself yet we only just got to smoldy

[balmy condor]

I mean accepting a birthday present I guess is a skill

obviously I didn't draw my own birthday present

[marble hemlock]

timers for mythic tindral are really fucking awkward to play honestly

[indigo mulch]

Maybe your just very lonley and wanted a bday present? 😮

[slim hamlet]

u guys dont give yourself presents?

[balmy condor]

I'm lonely

but not that lonely

[indigo mulch]

[marble hemlock]

mostly because the opener takes so long to do, that by the time you actually press KB, youre so deep int othe fight that it fucks with all the subsequent timers you want it for

im kinda thinking just doing some scuffed opener on tindral just so i get CDs to line up better for the rest of the fight

[slim hamlet]

so just accelerate it like everyone else

[indigo mulch]

I mean looking at WCL sub is still doing slightly better than sin on tindral, but there isent really a huge pool of logs so its hard to say for someone like me who didn't start prog on him yet. :C

[slim hamlet]

how many sub parses are there for mythic

like 10

[oak tangle]

to be fair, by the way you said "my art" i assumed you made it

[marble hemlock]

sub just does way better root damage if they play for it, which can make progression a lot easier. with the recent nerfs it might not be as required

and again, theres other classes that are better at it than rogue, mostly hunter, DH, WL

[slim hamlet]

oh actually a decent ish amount

Wait

There are like a lot more sub than sin parses

didn't expect that at all

[north tinsel]

Didnt kush play Sub on Tindral?

[indigo mulch]

"a lot" is an overstatment though

[tame sand]

Totally different topic, but how important is pooling

How much am i losing by spamming abilities till 0 eneegy

[slim hamlet]

holy

[oak tangle]

i did, it arrived with bent pins, and is currently waiting for manufacturer to repair/replace but they closed intil 7th January

[slim hamlet]

Someone killed it with 19 people

bro did literally 0k dmg

[tame sand]

Average LFR enjoyer

[slim hamlet]

But yea I can see why sub is better

I have been jebaited by scripe and max

[oak tangle]

singlehandedly sandbagging to dodge nerfs

[marble hemlock]

assa isnt bad on the fight

same as it isnt bad on smolderon