assassination

[royal lantern]

@vestal wren change moroes name thanks bye

what the hell

[vestal wren]

it has the name for a while now

[storm forum]

Never change Nyanmoroes Outlaw > sub bot

[arctic socket]

Someone should photoshop some cat ears on it

[quiet oar]

Based moroes

[royal lantern]

never noticed

[arctic socket]

Cat girl moroes 👉👈

[storm forum]

Now this

I like this

UwU

[royal lantern]

[storm forum]

[sturdy niche]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[arctic socket]

Who made the uwu dragon

[vestal wren]

!name NyanMoroes sub > sin

[arctic socket]

There’s a uwu this

[storm forum]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[storm forum]

Damn that's fucked up

[vestal wren]

^ @royal lantern happy?

[arctic socket]

!name nyanmoroes sim > sub

[simple ore]

sim

[arctic socket]

Sim is intentionally

[storm forum]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[simple ore]

nice try

[arctic socket]

Always sim

Awee

[storm forum]

Didn't work :<

[vestal wren]

only cf+ has privilegs to the command

^^

[arctic socket]

Yeah ik

[royal lantern]

acceptable

🫡

[arctic socket]

To be fair tho

Sub does beat sin

If you don’t get externals

[quiet oar]

Fuu

[vestal wren]

[arctic socket]

Glad to see outlaw gone tho

[quiet oar]

can you make it Rogue > Everything else

[arctic socket]

Pirate spec is meme

[royal lantern]

you know how much i care?

[wraith cosmos]

heard sub is feeling a bit clunky this tier

[quiet oar]

Because rogue best class ingame

[grim jay]

Windfury is an external aswell somewhat

[wraith cosmos]

true or nah?

[arctic socket]

More then one

[arctic socket]

I just want anything

[grim jay]

Only on low brainpower and with spamyhands

[arctic socket]

I like the way sin plays but I feel like I’m missing a lot 😭

[wraith cosmos]

ah

so itd be clunky for me

gotcha

[storm forum]

Feelcraft > Simcraft

[grim jay]

Thats up to you to decide

[gusty mirage]

[wraith cosmos]

i mean, im low brainpower spammyhands

i feel like im doing a little bit worse than i should as sin

[quiet oar]

[wraith cosmos]

but its mostly just a feelin

[arctic socket]

Wait

So I shouldn’t spam envenoms when ever I can

Okay I will stop the bait

[quiet oar]

[arctic socket]

Anyone reached unlimited energy haste point yet?

[quiet oar]

420,69%

[royal lantern]

whisp did math

its like, ~110% haste

[quiet oar]

So engi helmet and Wrist should cover it

got it

[spice spire]

Hate you Mfs

[royal lantern]

same

[arctic socket]

So

How many pi is it

For unlimited pi

8 priests rigjt

[quiet oar]

All of them

[arctic socket]

Plus all haste consumes / runes / gear

[quiet oar]

(They dont stack)

[arctic socket]

110 haste doesn’t seem to hard to get

[arctic socket]

Yeah I’m

Aware

[quiet oar]

BL plus PI

Plus maybe Mirror with haste proc

[arctic socket]

But like you get 8 different priest prem pi ez

[quiet oar]

and wafting proccing

[arctic socket]

That one egg trinket that gives haste

Wafting procs

Ez

[royal lantern]

mate, thats like 14k haste or more

we have ~3-4k in secondarys rn

[arctic socket]

Mirror on use for more haste

[royal lantern]

[arctic socket]

Well

I mean

45% haste seems doable from just gear

Plus all the extra stuff

[plucky canopy]

Just get a time machine and pickup some corruption gear

Easy

[strange python]

Am I still compared to assa rogues pre nerfs on wow logs or it was updated somehow to match the nerfs?

[storm cloak]

Did a key at 451 ilvl and did like 155 k overall lol. So strong compared to my mage

[quiet oar]

I mean you can get some pretty heavy hasted items

You can definitely stack like 5-6K

If its useful is a different thing

[hushed fable]

It only means your mage is kinda weak. At 445 last season I was doing 180k w/o Aug.

[royal lantern]

ye idk

overall dmg

is kinda ussules

[storm cloak]

I mean my mage does way more than 155k. Just didn’t do it at 450 with out tier

[royal lantern]

was it the same group?

same Pulls?

same Dungeons?

what was the other dps?

did they burst aoe packs down?

like

[slim hamlet]

Yes

[storm cloak]

I mean I have been running with the same group for like 14 years

[slim hamlet]

Yes as in you are

[royal lantern]

+if you cant do aoe dmg as mage, you do something wrong

cus mage is still cranked af there lol

[storm cloak]

Frost is so gimped there compared to last season

Comet storm and orb were wrecked

[royal lantern]

??

huh

what

frost does big dmg in m+ lol

frost aoe/cleave burst is so strong, that it gets played on tindral for it btw

[storm cloak]

Yes the cleave is strong

But not mass aoe

[royal lantern]

but assa has good mass aoe?

[worthy heart]

how do i start a log review?

[quiet oar]

There is non in Sin iirc

[spice spire]

Too many of you too few of me

[quiet oar]

Quake when someone mentions log review

[spice spire]

True

Also @gilded oasis I got dm’d last night. Gonna fight you

[simple ore]

idk mages I see must be hacking or something, I see frost mages topping overall in 25s

[grim jay]

Im toping vs random DHs aswell

Doesnt mean DH as a spec is worse

[simple ore]

who said that

[grim jay]

It just shows that frost doesnt need to be the insane m+ spec to top random meters

[simple ore]

If you're doing 25+ you're probably pretty good at your spec

so if you're topping, then it must be able to do good damage

the other dps aren't random bads that don't know what they're doing

[grim jay]

Some people in my guild got to do 25s and I can guarantee you they arent really that good at their spec

[simple ore]

gotta be doing something right

[ember gyro]

So the cleave build is essentially the ST build but with spatter, right?

[normal mist]

Pretty much yes

[simple ore]

and IC

[ember gyro]

I like not having to worry about Crimson Tempest

[ember gyro]

oh sure, I'm just looking at it more rotationally, though I can understand making sure to get full use out of your stealth windows with IC

I can understand how the rotation might vary

[storm monolith]

Idea for a slight talent shakeup on next major patch: make a spatter version of kingsbane

Throw it on beefy boi in pack, now they all have kingsbane

[slim hamlet]

Wasn't that just Whispyr calling for his Kittens to meow?

[quiet oar]

This season is fairly easy

[spice spire]

Nah he did that in chat

[slim hamlet]

25 is still where most groups turn into premade rather than random pugs

[quiet oar]

Yeah true

[slim hamlet]

But if the argument is that DH is not without a doubt the better spec then idk

Kinda just jumped into the conversation without fully understanding what we talking about

[spice spire]

He just like me fr

[storm monolith]

I am still pissed of at how the devs did lockpicking. While leveling, you can't make use of the obviously helpful rogue feature in the one bfa dungeon

"Gate is too high level" bitch the dungeon is scaled to my level what do you mean

Actual question though. What non lethal poisons are considered the default go-tos?

[gusty mirage]

Whichever one you’re specced into, then crippling

Highly recommend numbing over atrophic for leveling purposes

[chilly canopy]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/my-brand-contacts-cries-gif-13481688

[rain gust]

I use crippling (except for sang weeks) and either numbing or atrophic depending if I'm in m+ or raid

[thorn fjord]

I use atro for raid and usually numbing for M+

[loud dome]

Doing M Council tonight, what's the general strat for sin there? I'm real bad at council fights

[thorn fjord]

@slim hamlet where you been

[slim hamlet]

right here baby

I was gaming minecraft for 2-3 days so I wasn't in here if that's what u mean

[thorn fjord]

Hows prog

[slim hamlet]

Great actually

We got to smolderon last night

clean reclear + fast larry kill

[split cipher]

Hope your tanks position for 2 target cleave most the time and if not just step the highest health one and hit it

[slim hamlet]

what about u livefast?

[simple ore]

start opener, get poisonous javelin, move out, don't get dispelled, move back in, get ducked, cry

[quiet oar]

Spatter and ST rotation

[thorn fjord]

P2 on larodar then on to smold

Lar dies tonight for sure

[loud dome]

got it, thanks

[quiet oar]

Lets that stupid deer trip

[thorn fjord]

Venison bout to be back on the menu

[quiet oar]

I mean its already roasted

[slim hamlet]

We are doing a maybe raid monday and then christmas break

So not expecting anything to die until january at least

[quiet oar]

Hoping to kill smoldy this week

[thorn fjord]

Yeah holiday break is kinda zzzzz

And people usually come back from those breaks playing bad

[gusty mirage]

@thorn fjord make tindral die this week ty

[royal lantern]

tindral is dead

[gusty mirage]

34%

Might die this week

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-tongue-cat-licking-white-cat-cursed-cat-gif-27575167

[near valley]

Tindral prison

[royal lantern]

inc

your hunters get a sudden case of hunter brain

[near valley]

Me when I see a photo of you

[thorn fjord]

Y’all have hunters?

[half dawn]

finally i can play the game

[thorn fjord]

We got one SV

[royal lantern]

tbh

[near valley]

Gigachad

[royal lantern]

you need 8 melee dps for tindral

not unheared that a hunter goes SV cus no other option was avaible

[thorn fjord]

This tier we’re heavy melee

[royal lantern]

most are imo

[ember gyro]

chain pullin in keys sort of works against us, doesn't it

[earnest remnant]

dies tonight for me, or i die

you choose

[thorn fjord]

Do raccoons also have 9 lives?

[earnest remnant]

havent tried

dunno

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-voting-oh-il-nam-vote-circle-gif-23473295

[gusty mirage]

I don’t want you to die

I’ll be very sad

[thorn fjord]

That’s why t swift dies today

[gusty mirage]

Fyrakk scares me

Ngl

Can easily become a 500 pull boss

[earnest remnant]

my guess is 223 for us

[gusty mirage]

Sub 300 is good for us for tindral

[earnest remnant]

we are at 277

it dies today

[thorn fjord]

Loved that band

[gusty mirage]

We’re at 234

[steep gust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gusty mirage]

But we got into p2 consistently enough with some p3 prog last night

[thorn fjord]

So I imagine the goal would be to get atleast into p2 fyrak all before the holiday breaks?

Pretty sure our goal is to get smold down before break

[quiet oar]

Isnt the average pull count on fyrakk less than tindral atm?

Before Tindral nerf obv

[gusty mirage]

Yeah but fyrakk can turn into a disaster in p3

[quiet oar]

Yeah i saw that in RWF

Like 1 bad step

its joever

[thorn fjord]

When do we get the S4 fated announcement

[quiet oar]

I mean they kinda confirmed it already

didnt they?

[thorn fjord]

Not that I know

[quiet oar]

Didnt Ion talk about the Dinars

after War within announcement

and the Fated season

[thorn fjord]

Gotta have something to do all of next year before WW

Nice long break would be cool

[quiet oar]

Its like 95% safe that there will be fated season

[quiet oar]

https://www.wowhead.com/de/news/dragonflight-will-have-season-4-with-fated-raids-icy-veins-interview-recap-335938

[polar matrix]

anyone willing to help me with a log please/

[fallow acorn]

what are Fated raids

[thorn fjord]

Think M+ raids

They have affixes on top of the reg raid mechanics

[fallow acorn]

oh like with affixes?

gotcha

[thorn fjord]

Cool thing was you get dinar which is a currency that allows you to buy items from raid

[somber crystal]

Hello, I would like to ask where I can find assa macro?

[gray horizon]

very vague question

but there are some in the faq

sin doesn't really need many macros though. Maybe a Shadow Dance/Kingsbane one? That's about the only one I use this season really

[late gulch]

any good wa package to track all importent info as assasin?

[slate crown]

!wa lots to pick from

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[late gulch]

thx ❤️

[cursive owl]

if u want a spaceship style of WA i can give u mine :3

[slate crown]

[somber crystal]

please send it to me?

[onyx swallow]

is dungeon slice useful for sin

[gray horizon]

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Kingsbane

[slate crown]

Yes

[onyx swallow]

woo

[somber crystal]

Thank

[polar matrix]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k8ZJY1m2GP4ThF76#fight=41&type=damage-done&source=13 anyone able to help with any glaringly obvious mistakes, not sure why my damage is super low

[proper tapir]

But SD isn't implemented in it, just always go shock build and be aware when comparing builds.

[cursive owl]

looks like button mashing issue

[polar matrix]

what do you mean?

hitting the wrong thing?

[cursive owl]

opener is good

rest is meh

[gray horizon]

missing your empowered garrote during your 2min

and using tea too early

[cursive owl]

yes

[polar matrix]

we only use one tea or 2 during dm window

[cursive owl]

i use 2

1 after start

and 1 before end

i have downtime like 1 or 2 sec inbetween 2 chivs

what i meant was

the time u have to use ure burst

[gilded oasis]

[cursive owl]

the second DM window u had was too low of dmg based on the dmg line u send us , on my "logs" im more mountain and flat , u are only 1 mountain and kinda rest flat

[loud dome]

big true

happens to me

[cursive owl]

im bad at explaining qwq i hope u know what i mean

[polar matrix]

yeah like each 2 mins should be a mountain

[cursive owl]

yes

[gray horizon]

Question for nymue: Our Kingsbane is coming up right around the time we run off to pop the first adds. What's your opener on those bad boys look like? Get bleeds up then go into dance/kb, or just dance/kb off the bat and then throw everything up?

[polar matrix]

mine was like a mountain and a tiny little hill after

[spice spire]

Above all is valid.
You’re also not tea’ing the end of your KBs.
And you essentially got two DMs in a 4m fight since your last three globals were dm, mut, rupture

[cursive owl]

thats why i said button mashing

[spice spire]

H8 u

[polar matrix]

so the fight timing did not help at all

[cursive owl]

Fisca ?

do you use a good wa for tracking the timings :3 ?

[polar matrix]

no

[cursive owl]

LUL

OK

timing is King in Burst window

[spice spire]

Sorta yeah missing your last burst window isn’t great.

But you also messed up some burst windows which is big

[cursive owl]

let me show u

[spice spire]

Your in between is good

[cursive owl]

yes

For Tracking i have this

/wa

fk -.-

xD

[slate crown]

!wa my profile for kingsbane

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

First or second result

[cursive owl]

i see where exactly i should use the utility for KB window

[spice spire]

Self promo

Get banned bozo

[slate crown]

Ban me bozo

[spice spire]

Ur right I won’t

Fuck

[polar matrix]

Lisonna you made that one that tracks when to use what in the KB's?

[quiet oar]

Quake losing his power

against LE

[spice spire]

Mf thinks a green name has power

[slate crown]

I made one of them. I didn’t make the one Katari showed

[cursive owl]

i made it my own :3

[polar matrix]

Katari can you link that one?

[spice spire]

I can ban LE. But I gotta answer to why I did it - even for a joke

[cursive owl]

sure

[quiet oar]

i mean you have more power than us normal plebs

[cursive owl]

i dunno UwU i feel bad if anyone is asking for my wa O-o

[spice spire]

And honestly I’m not that committed to the bit

[slate crown]

Why feel bad

[spice spire]

Because he’s a self promo mf too smh

[stiff patio]

Soooo! What's the best embellishment for Assa M+?

[slate crown]

Thorn boots + patch

[cursive owl]

bec i think wa's that are already made are good :3

[slate crown]

I mean you found a need to make your own

[cursive owl]

@polar matrix https://wago.io/POp54cTJb

[slate crown]

And you can only improve your own if it’s under scrutiny of others 🙂

[stiff patio]

U sure? i've seen alot of ppl running 2x mastery thing above 90% hp

[cursive owl]

True !

[spice spire]

She’s right

[polar matrix]

ty

[slate crown]

For keys sure. There’s a lot of people doing either. Whichever you want

[spice spire]

Mastery above 90% can be good if you’re guaranteed to stay above

[stiff patio]

im only gonna do keys

[cursive owl]

i do it like this cause i am a snowflake and artist also , like being creative and i like to work on WA's so they look fancy or stuff :3

[spice spire]

Pugging is sketchy@tho

[cursive owl]

i will edit the Wago so it has an Image and explenation of Buttons

[stiff patio]

Yeah, im in full premade. and i feel like u would have good uptime on it. When u dip low u get topped pretty fast

[thorn fjord]

FOR THE MEMES

[spice spire]

Eh not that committed to the bit

Nice person don’t know them well enough to just ban them as a joke

[empty pilot]

are professions difficult to level in retail? or is it like mostly a gold thing and you can max it out in a day or two?

[slate crown]

I mean whispyr banned scana for the bit

[spice spire]

Yeah he’s banned me too

Twice? I think?

[cursive owl]

O_O

[slate crown]

The skill level (0/100) is mostly a gold thing to level now, may take some seeking of crafts

[earnest remnant]

best one is still Zine vs Shiennar

Banana

[cursive owl]

Oh !

[slate crown]

The knowledge points are not, those can take a long time

[quiet oar]

I mean banning Scana is funny tho

[ripe tree]

hello guys, looking for any member with well experienced and high knowledge of Assa spec w me pls

[empty pilot]

do we still get added benefits from having max professions? Like with JC you can add extra sockets, or with engineering you can add hyperspeed accelerators, etc.?

[thorn fjord]

You take that back

[cursive owl]

@polar matrix the Red swirlys in Garrote and Rupture is the Pandemic timer, so you know when to refresh em :3 , also ! the red bar is the Master assassin buff für the Crit and extra dmg, the second one is thistle tea and the lower one is Shiv. it just helps to remind when to press stuff :3 u should always still start the burst with Trinket/dm Tea+shiv then SD+KB and follow the WA :3 it should be ok !

[slate crown]

You should ask your questions s here. All of us are relatively knowledgable. More eyes on the question the better

[thorn fjord]

@blazing jewel is bae

[cursive owl]

ure good here, ask your questions straight away !

[quiet oar]

Yeah he is but thats why its funny tho

[arctic socket]

Can we do a vote to ban dieslow

[gusty mirage]

scana's a bitch

[quiet oar]

WOAH

[thorn fjord]

us MIA boiz gotta stick together

[quiet oar]

Oxi throwing hands

[cursive owl]

Who is dieslow ?

[thorn fjord]

Shit rogue

[quiet oar]

Someone who dies slow and steady

[ripe tree]

i would like to know about Assa stats cap overcap and also priority order after high Mastery /Crit achived to balance overcaping etc it would much appricated any help.

[cursive owl]

im not used ti the name colors UwU

[quiet oar]

with his 20 cats

[thorn fjord]

My names been red the last two years fam 🙂

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[pseudo hamlet]

Sim yourself. That's the best answer. There are no strict "caps" I guess.

[cursive owl]

1 simple answer, SIM IT , cause stat prio is AGI > every other stat because there kinda 1% close to each other

[gusty mirage]

you played outlaw like 4 months ago...

[thorn fjord]

This is false

I didn’t touch OL all of S2

[stiff patio]

is there a reason u craft bracers with the toxic thorn boots?

[thorn fjord]

I’m playing it now in keys tho

[gusty mirage]

cause bracers/belt are the lowest stat weighted slots

so the ilvl hit you take is less impactful

[stiff patio]

like i have real shitty legs. So i wonder if i should just craft legs

oh kk

[gusty mirage]

short term, crafting legs will be more dps

long term, bracers/belt make more sense

but also long term you'll have more sparks than you know what to do with

[quiet oar]

Its blasting tho

[stiff patio]

True..

[gusty mirage]

probably better off just sending the legs now

and recrafting later

[stiff patio]

ye

my thought aswel

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

489 helm is so huge with the enchant

Was a welcome addition

[gusty mirage]

imagine having a myth track helm

[quiet oar]

Myth Track helm with Avoidance

[ebon quest]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[loud dome]

yeah, my latest sim is telling me to go for haste crit gems, one haste ench, one mastery lol

[vestal wren]

i love how this is a classic now

[arctic socket]

I got a myth track helm with a socket

The enchant pumps

[narrow sedge]

hello, I need some help to understand what I'm doing wrong, my dps is quite decent and not trash but I dont like to be far away from my sim. So it mean I lack in something. Can I share "log" to someone experienced to get some help to find my problem ?
Thanks a lot

[limber lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqPOvq9K-HM

[midnight spire]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[arctic socket]

Daddy whispyr saves the day again

[dark token]

It's all coming together

[sharp viper]

what the

[arctic socket]

Those bracers / ashes arent

Using ashes and it’s better for you to use Sophia devotion and not wafting

[subtle tundra]

I'm about to be mean

[arctic socket]

That’s crazy

[thorn fjord]

Based

[sharp viper]

yeah, looks weird

[deep meteor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[primal terrace]

Guys, do I trust sim or bmallet more for trinkets? I have branch and I'm simming sandglass vs crab, getting sandglass as the better option, but on most places I see crab is better.

[wild mural]

You trust your sim. Bloodmallet doesn’t know what gear you’re wearing.

[random quarry]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d28FCvMJnN7VHRXq

Can someone help me out here. What am I doing wrong? My dps Seems low. I’m Naeori

[sharp prism]

Random question here - we cant silence the caster mobs by 3rd boss EB can we? They're immune to hard CC, no?

[near valley]

That's what u think

Bloodmallet always watching

[sharp prism]

Your sim doesnt know how bad you're playing, trust bloodmallet 😂 (kidding btw if it wasnt clear)

[warped pilot]

They cannot be silenced, that's right.

[arctic socket]

Can I see your belt

[sharp prism]

ok thought so, thanks :)

[strange python]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[dark token]

Free Socket bracers? Yes they are

[cerulean nest]

we did it

[spice spire]

I’m not.

[dry wing]

so this may been asked and i looked at pins, but whats the optimal way to sim for dungeons?

[near valley]

Dungeon slice?

[ancient rain]

Dslice

[spice spire]

Dslice, patchwerk x10.
Man the world is your oyster

Arbitrary situations yield arbitrary sims

[gilded oasis]

Ya right

[arctic socket]

Imma keep it 100 with you

I got a brand as well

But unless you’re doing mythic long ass fights

Pips better

[gusty mirage]

also signet is absolutely dogshit for tindral

you only get p3 value

and even then

it's sketch at best

[boreal raven]

was lookin over my mythic volcross log n comparing it with a guy within 3 seconds/ilvl and i notice my melee hits and deadly poison applications are quite a bit lower, and assuming thats why my opener was much lower, but i was def always in melee range attacking, am i missing something, or some RNG involved with that?

[cerulean nest]

well I got the first one so ya boi is wearing it lol

are you just using sandglass?

[cerulean nest]

why is this exactly?

[near valley]

I'd assume it's cause ur flying every so often

So u drop ur stacks

[gusty mirage]

can't keep up stacks

[near valley]

And p3 is the only phase ur never moving again

[gusty mirage]

it did as much damage as backstab did for me on a few pulls

[near valley]

[cerulean nest]

surely it'll be good on fyrak

[acoustic birch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cerulean nest]

btw anyone here progging it as assassination?

would love some woke tips

[near valley]

Don't die

[cerulean nest]

huge ty

[spice spire]

??

[vagrant hearth]

why is not vicious venoms not played in st seems really good

[slim hamlet]

Don't die, but also do dmg

[vagrant hearth]

could drop venom rush and improved poisons

[cerulean nest]

I feel equipped for the kill

ty

[arctic socket]

I was hyped getting signet then realize average length of fights for our guild is 3-4m then got sad

[slim hamlet]

gl soldier

[gilded oasis]

hate me cause you aint me

[spice spire]

Real

[acoustic birch]

So from a raw damage output standpoint, sub is comeptitive with sin with ideal gear especially with invigorating shadowdust build?

or am i misinterpreting

[silver escarp]

Was there a macro to use ambush instead of mutilate when u are in SD? Or just replace the spell on my bars ?

[acoustic birch]

also any of you mythic proggies playing sub for smolderon?

[cerulean nest]

just killed last night as sub after playing whole tier on sin

not easy lol

[gilded oasis]

just put it on your stealth bar in place of mutilate

[acoustic birch]

@cerulean nest Nah my head is going to be messed up, im about to start learning sub for when we prog it

how'd it feel?

[cerulean nest]

if you aren't overwhelmed by learning the spec as you learn the fight, really good

everything lines up

[acoustic birch]

Did you just research the top parses and understand what they were doing or

[cerulean nest]

yeah. asked a lot of questions

[wild marsh]

what trinkets we wanna play in Mythic Raid branch/signet branch/pips

[feral mason]

branch pips better on most fights probably

just off the top of my head signet is bad on tindral and fyrakk

maybe nymue too? Not sure

[earnest remnant]

only way to make it carry over is to re-rupture just before he flies and RNG it

its quite sad

that it counts as combat drop

[spice spire]

Stealthi has colour killed Tindies yet?

[arctic socket]

Y’all ever press kb on tindril then he flys away 🙂

[feral mason]

Back when we still timer pushed tindral hc i always did that

And had kb dm back for the shield

wish i could get those timers back

[arctic socket]

Council prog was fun

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[cerulean nest]

im looking at the top sin on M Tindral and he had 97% uptime on signet

is that just rupture before intermission with good luck?

[slim hamlet]

Wait does the intermission count as out of combat?

Surely not

[cerulean nest]

also why are people using ashes over branch?

[slim hamlet]

Because orbs are cringe on that fight

[slim pebble]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[neat horizon]

Boys we have a damage meter overall thread up in the outlaw channel so make sure you post your highest key overalls !

[steep carbon]

Why do I see someone with +10 ilvls deal 300k more damage with kingsbane (and only kingsbane, all other abilities are more rationally scaled with 20-30% more damage, while they deal whopping 250% more damage with it) in the same raid against same boss?

Is there something I am missing, because I am sustaining shiv throughout its duration...

Here are my logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2XW1zxQ6mRndc3ZH#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=14

Also, the other rogue has its Caustic Splatter being shown, but for me it's nonexistent, what gives?

(the other rogue, that I am sooo jealous of: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2XW1zxQ6mRndc3ZH#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=22)

[feral mason]

hm?

You know you didnt have spatter talented right?

[warped pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[spice spire]

What the fuck was that opener

I am not going to flame.
But UH.
HUH

I’m literally 20s in and very confused

[feral mason]

I cant even look at the cast history and i think i already know whats there

[agile fossil]

first rupture 30sec in

lord

[feral mason]

Is it the instant kb into dm special?

With no dots applied yet?

[spice spire]

No rupture, you vanished like 3-4 globals after the KB (you vanish at the end) and didn’t tea at all during KB.

This is unfortunately a guide reread angle

Also snd during dance 11s into the fight

[thorn fjord]

And you're an Angel angle @spice spire

[agile fossil]

the other rogue isnt better my guy just pop branch 10sec before KB starts

[feral mason]

also

Dont take that other rogue as an example either

[spice spire]

I feel like we’re missing some very macro concepts here

[feral mason]

Hes trolling as well

[steep carbon]

I thought I was supposed to vanish 3 seconds before KB expires?

[slim hamlet]

u are

[shy pecan]

Yes, but this isn't 3 seconds before it expires:

[solar niche]

https://youtu.be/luiB6Hhpvdc?si=7LNkSxjjkhLEg1fz
Watch this and listen to the rotations.

[spice spire]

Oh god

[agile fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQOfXmEulho&t=549s loot at this video , great content , great explaining

[spice spire]

He also didn’t have the energy economy. I didn’t realize the 4 globals in between were 8 seconds

[steep carbon]

where do I see this in the logs?

[agile fossil]

it is a rabbit hole the most you look those sims the worse it gets

[steep carbon]

nm, it's timelines

[spice spire]

Also

[turbid sandal]

Do people just run the basic Spatter build on Fyrakk? Or pure ST?

[spice spire]

For not having energy for the first 30s (granted long fight) that’s a lot of waste

24 cp is like 4-6 envenom (can’t really play around seal fate, don’t count it)

[steep carbon]

so I should've tea'd?

[spice spire]

Nah you should have ruptured

This is definitely a reread a guide angle

[shy pecan]

Missing rupture is a lot of energy loss

[spice spire]

I’m sorry friend

[steep carbon]

no fr I always gone rupture right after getting like 5-6 CP during start of pull, but I missed it here...is it really that punishing?

[turbid sandal]

yes

[spice spire]

Very

[feral mason]

just clone the wowhead openee

Same way every time

[steep carbon]

not icy?

[mighty nexus]

caustic is huge on tswift too

[feral mason]

Probably the same as icy idfk

Dead website

[steep carbon]

ugh I'm such a noob

brb deleting rogue nad making a bm hunter

[spice spire]

0 moves available during opener KB window

[shy pecan]

Just read/watch some guides

[spice spire]

I mean we all make mistakes

It’s just a learn angle

This was one of the more wild ones tho I’m ngl

[mighty nexus]

Sin isn’t an easy spec imo either, there’s stuff you have to do on this spec that you don’t on others. It’s got a learning curve

[thorn fjord]

my skill level during pulls is full RNG lol

[steep carbon]

well I know I'm not a big player, I was reaching out for help

[thorn fjord]

some pulls im bussin others im capin

[steep carbon]

thanks for pointing me in a direction

[thorn fjord]

Sin is a full flow chart spec right now... Once you get the motions down with some muscle memory you should ge good

Just adhere to the flow chart

[runic basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[agile osprey]

Instructions unclear, spamming mutilate

[naive crane]

does it make a difference if i use ashes 3 sec into KB or just macro it to DM?

[turbid sandal]

Compared to sub this season, it's pretty easy

[mighty nexus]

I think sub is piss easy. Probably because I’ve been a sub main for a long time but it’s all subjective anyways I guess

[stable void]

holy shit

[spice spire]

True and real

[stable void]

finaly i fkn got this dagger

[shy pecan]

Yeah pretty subjective in terms of the player

[spice spire]

Good shit

[stable void]

So question is.. wtf is time strike? hahahaha

[thorn fjord]

Think OL is the "hardest" spec of the 3 right now.. Only because one fucked up GCD means your dmg goes down the shitter

[mighty nexus]

Some people think outlaw is the hardest, but you literally just press buttons as they come up.

[fickle latch]

Any recomendation talents for this weeks M+

[spice spire]

It’s a proc of damage is the easiest way to explain it

[mighty nexus]

I guess my whole thing behind sin not being easy is that you kinda have to reprogram your muscle memory to just not press buttons sometimes

[spice spire]

It duplicates a random point of damage on proc.
Can hit trinkets, kb, etc.

[thorn fjord]

not if you're a degen like me 💪

[stable void]

yea? ok nice

[turbid sandal]

it's harder due to the many bugs involved with not hitting a button a split second too soon

[spice spire]

Gabagool spec

[thorn fjord]

simple life really

[shy pecan]

[mighty nexus]

All 3 rogue specs are harder than any other class though imo. I made a demo lock alt and after learning the rotation I’m like “wtf, is this all I have to do?”

[steep carbon]

thanks, I needed this

[feral mason]

Literally every spec in the game is not all that hard

[mighty nexus]

Once you learn them, sure. Some are def a bit harder for someone to learn than others

[steep carbon]

don't they get hard once you mix in raid/dung mechanics?

[feral mason]

takes a few hours to learn everything

Doesnt make it hard

[mighty nexus]

I mean, not really. It becomes muscle memory at a point

Well, again, subjective lol

[feral mason]

Learning how to sort garbage isnt hard but still takes a little bit to learn

Stuff would be hard if it wasnt learnable at all

[mighty nexus]

?

[feral mason]

Or by a limited amount of people

[shy pecan]

The video covers the concept of a specific sequence for sin with CDs

Once you get that ingrained, sin becomes pretty simple

[carmine shore]

Uh, idk about that

I've learned to crank on a few different specs and there's a lot that can go wrong while trying to pump in M+ and raid

Its a pretty tight rotation when you're in your burst

[shy pecan]

There’s min/maxing and other things, sure. But from learning perspective, just simplify it first.

[spice spire]

Big KISS fan

[carmine shore]

How so? Seems like everyone's running the raid talents with spatter wire and bleed spread capstone

[mighty nexus]

KB windows can be tight, but once you get it ingrained into your head, it’s literally going to be the exact same sequence for the most part

the only variation is that every other minute, you’ll press vanish and dm

[shy pecan]

Like Whispyr talks about just remembering Envenom (> DM if it's available) > Shiv > SD/KB > Garrote > Envenom

[carmine shore]

Yeah i guess its fair to say that overthinking whether you're perfectly managing your shiv uptime to cover every KB tick and always landing tea isn't the end all be all

[feral mason]

Spec is nearly more scripted than old sub

[mighty nexus]

There’s trackers that’ll help people get the timing on that

[carmine shore]

In M+ in particular there's a lot of chaos to landing the full burst rotation

[feral mason]

[carmine shore]

Its not timing as much as managing all the chaos, mostly talking M+ prio burst build

[acoustic roost]

Only chaos really is that your KB target dies too fast 😂

[carmine shore]

Lol truuee, good problem to have. When I start my opener and then a prio kick starts to cast its like well shit

Lol

[shy pecan]

There's a video for that for a more accelerated opener for things like keys

[carmine shore]

A lot of times I'm just managing the pack instead of getting to do optimal DPS, but also freeing up the rest of the group so idk, good problem too kinda

I haven't done a lot of high keys yet on rogue but timed 23 WM last night and I was just kickin punchin and blindin like a mad person

[slate crown]

!resealths

!resealth

fuck

[ember gyro]

keep tryin

[runic hinge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[runic hinge]

Hmmm Moroes isn’t

[mighty nexus]

just tell your group you’re not talented into kick and they’ll believe you if they don’t play rogue

ez

[slate crown]

#assassination message

It's there

but there was no preceeding command for when that showed up

[shy pecan]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[slate crown]

Omg I can't type

lmao

[shy pecan]

🙂

[ember gyro]

hmm, fair

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

why is the outline so big on that duck

[shy pecan]

Better than the gifs you post of that duck that take up my entire phone screen

[spice spire]

Damn Ed taking 0 prisoners

[shy pecan]

🙂

Should see me catnerding Maya's guild's discord every time she posts something

[spice spire]

Respect tf outta that

[carmine shore]

ok so my thing with this, if we don't restealth and make our mass bleed application so much easier is everyone just really good at quick swapping to non-bled targets and swapping back to a prio target to spatter on?

[spice spire]

But

I know she’s stressed

[spice spire]

We have dance and vanish

And also yeah

Before df that’s what you did

[shy pecan]

Yeah, looks like she's making forward movement to help with that

[spice spire]

Goated stuff tbh

[hexed willow]

Anyone know why the self damage from signet is much less than it apparently should be? Did 6.5m damage in Fyrrak but I only took 1.75m

[worthy heart]

what's the ideal uptime on envenom and 4p on a 4-5min boss?

[spice spire]

Good I should message her and make sure she’s good.
At some point today.
I know she’s really tied into it i’m glad she took my advice

[spice spire]

Ideal? 100%

[carmine shore]

Got it, will git gud

[worthy heart]

realistic?

[spice spire]

Low-mid 90s?

[worthy heart]

ok

that is why my logs are shit then

[spice spire]

I mean you’re not gonna get that universally

[worthy heart]

tier is ok, envenom is 75-80

[spice spire]

But in general

I’ve seen 90% logs so I know you can

[shy pecan]

There's other factors too

[mighty nexus]

I think like, 96% is a good number if you had to pick one

But it depends on fight

[spice spire]

The built different factor

Is a good factor

[worthy heart]

well, being 483 and not being able to do decent parses is kind of depressing

there's the killtimer raid is not being good part

but i still should be able to parse at least purple

[spice spire]

Correct

[sharp viper]

just crit every mutilate?

[mighty nexus]

Tons of people with high parses here that would definitely check your logs out if you posted them

[spice spire]

True

But also with our 4cp envenoms, we had 90% envenom uptime in previous tiers. So like. Seems pretty obtainable

With more stats

[worthy heart]

yea, i only have 2 kills on the first two bosses on mythic, on gnarloot yesterday i went outlaw because i was tilted and on igira i died from just 2overlapping spears at full health

[spice spire]

Happens

We go agane

[worthy heart]

but yes i'll link

[sharp viper]

with TTK it's probably easier to obtain such high uptime

[worthy heart]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G6VQzn3tmxPcLfF2#fight=18&type=damage-done

i'm the 43 rogue

and as you can see, raid isnt that good

[dry chasm]

third xD

[mighty nexus]

Looks like you’re burning a tea too early. The first tea you used right before KB could be used later in the fight to help your envenom uptime be better

[worthy heart]

ok

that is another thing i was going to ask

is it worth to tea before deathmark at pull if they bl?

just for buff uptime?

and, is opener and cd usage right?

[shy pecan]

Pretty sure you gain no value with tea prior to DM

Since you're just getting your maintenance abiltiies up

[mighty nexus]

The buff from tea isn’t important enough to burn 2 in a KB window, especially if it takes away from your energy economy later in the fight

[fickle latch]

This week in M+ is it work it to go Sudden Demise CT Build or Go Cleave build ?

[worthy heart]

ok then i'll stop doing that

how about opener and cds?

[steep carbon]

so sin is very "timing" oriented, huh?

[slate crown]

Well

Energy is energy

if you are not going to cap

Then it doesn't really matter when you use it for the energy aspect

[jaunty warren]

FWIW I always look at # of parses…there are only 1662 parses at your ilevel. There are 102,000 ranked rogues. You are already at top of the game population. Wiser folks may have suggestions for improvement

[slate crown]

If it happens that you gain energy during your CDs, and gain the mastery benefit for it during the start of KB

that's still good

The whole point is don't let the energy go to waste

(And make sure you have a charge for last 6 seconds)

The mastery gain is better served during KB than outside of KB

But only if it doesn't cap energy

[shy pecan]

That's the thing though, you'll have a lot of energy during DM + saving it for your last six seconds of KB/DM

[mighty nexus]

Well, if you pop a tea before your first kb window, you’re wasting that energy

[slate crown]

Sure

Then that's going against my "Don't let it cap" statement 😛

In particular I'm referring to your off-DM KBs

[worthy heart]

i did not get that

parse% total is on 3.6k not 102k

and yea on ilvl there's 1,6k

which means i'm worse than 2/3 of all the other rogues at 480-482

and it can't possibly be only because raid parses grey

[spice spire]

Ilvl parses

[feral mason]

parses in general

[shy pecan]

Something I did notice was this:

[tacit lintel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6SDvFUyVbVYhJgMsPYv5iJ Hello, is that possible? only 265dps from 489 dagger?

[feral mason]

[slim hamlet]

Those are the only parses that matter

[shy pecan]

Seems like a lot of energy lost in that fight

[slim hamlet]

probably not

[feral mason]

Nick 483 is just slightly worse than 489 normal dagger

So ye

[slim hamlet]

With PI/execute/bloodlust u will be overcapping a lot

[jaunty warren]

Worse than the rogues who submit logs…which is a really small slice of rogues …not all rogues everywhere . You are grading yourself against the top .5%

[tacit lintel]

also switching into double wafting

[feral mason]

huh?

[slate crown]

ilvl parses are good for giving me fuzzy feelings when I'm starting to gear an alt and blasting with low ilvl in lfr

[feral mason]

Wafting isnt always better either

[slim hamlet]

what does that even mean

[feral mason]

Sim is accurate regardless

honestly 90% of the people doing heroic log

[spice spire]

Ilvl parses are good for destroying my sanity when people bring them up to evaluate what’s wrong.

[worthy heart]

there arent 100k ranked rogues tho

[slim hamlet]

LFR ilvl parses

[feral mason]

id even argue the top players private log

[spice spire]

[worthy heart]

on that fight there's 5k parses

there were*

[slate crown]

[worthy heart]

this was the 1st kill

[feral mason]

So logs make people look better than they really are

[worthy heart]

second i just died

[slim hamlet]

Not rly

A very small amount of guilds private log, and even when they do it's an even smaller amount of the players in the guild that actually play your spec

U shouldn't think your logs are fake because some people private log that's weird

[feral mason]

Anyway not sure if WCL can retroactively fix logs but if the reattribution thing only works on new logs then they’re kinda iffy anyway

[spice spire]

I hate it here

[shy pecan]

300 energy seems like a lot though?

[slim hamlet]

It rly isn't

[spice spire]

300 energy from what?

[slim hamlet]

U are sitting on 100% energy for basically 15seconds in bloodlust

[worthy heart]

count the tea at start

[spice spire]

[feral mason]

I mean I was being hyperbole since the other guy was claiming bad players dont log so parses pit you against top 0.5% of players

[worthy heart]

and subtract

[feral mason]

Which is just even more wrong

[upper spear]

If I'm just looking for my estimated top DPS is there any reason to not use quick Sim, and nmaybe use something else like top gear ect

[royal lantern]

you think so?

i have the feeling that more and more guilds start private loging at this point

[slim hamlet]

Try filtering off the time in bl

[worthy heart]

count pi and bl at start

[spice spire]

500 between VV and tea

[slim hamlet]

Yes but it aint that much where your logs become fake

[spice spire]

Is a lot of waste

[royal lantern]

seeing a George pic, thats the energy boost i need every day

[worthy heart]

tea we already solved

[plain egret]

Hey guys quick question, I've looked at all the guides but couldn't find this information.

Going into 2nd/3rd 4th etc KB in the fight, if my rupture is about to fall let's say 6 seconds before do I reapply it? Or do I just send the KB and reapply is during shadow dance?

Sorry if it's not clear, simply asking do I delay my kingsbane to reapply rupture or just do it in dance? Or just let it drop

[worthy heart]

i just never tea again at pull

[slim hamlet]

oh yea that is cooked

[solar bramble]

curious. when was shadowmeld changed to no longer grant stealth?

[slim hamlet]

But the people who dont log at all are probably not very great players anyway

[royal lantern]

15years ago?

[spice spire]

While ago.
Have to press stealth

[slim hamlet]

Would make it hyper fake if u could see everyone even those

[feral mason]

Plenty of bad players logging

[slim hamlet]

u would play the spec for 3 hours and 99 log everything

[spice spire]

@ me

[solar bramble]

it's worked for my feral even recently.

odd

[worthy heart]

@ also me

[shy pecan]

Yeah, it was only 95 energy:

[feral mason]

U spend enough time in this channel

[slate crown]

Treat rupture the same as out of KB generally. During KB you want to get envenom up as much as possible, otherwise you're fine to rupture during dance, or before

[feral mason]

You know im right

[spice spire]

Yeah I haven’t played world of Warcraft since November 7, 2023

Bozo

[slim hamlet]

This is the BL window or outside bl window?

[slate crown]

Nightstalker snapshot on rupture is not really strong

[slim hamlet]

and also which boss

[worthy heart]

ok so was not energy wasting too much apart from tea

[plain egret]

I see, but in the case where my rupture is about to fall, I DON'T delay KB yeah?

[shy pecan]

In the BL window

[plain egret]

I just send it and reapply it during shadow dance/ during KB

[worthy heart]

and for first soak maybe on igira mythic

[slate crown]

Don't delay KB, correct

[slim hamlet]

do u not get PI or something?

[feral mason]

I haven’t played wow since December 13th 2023 23:17

[plain egret]

Sounds good ty

[feral mason]

u bum

[spice spire]

I mean it’s a little High but not crazy crazy

[feral mason]

logging on now

[glacial grotto]

Tfw you don't get pi on reclear because there's 2 unholy dks

[solar bramble]

that energy chart looks like you were sitting near max energy for a bit of the fight

[spice spire]

Bum ass flexing about logging in

[worthy heart]

our priest gives pi to me, to the other rogue, to the dh and to a bm hunter

[feral mason]

Login

[worthy heart]

i never understand with which logicc he does that

[spice spire]

Have a few weeks before I can

[solar bramble]

if dashing was overcapping energy.

[slim hamlet]

This is during bl for me on nymue

[slate crown]

Come play sod you can run it on any potato you can find

[slim hamlet]

Overall for nymue mythic

[unreal kayak]

do anyone here have a string to sim rune for weapons

[spice spire]

Nah I’m good

Don’t wanna play a 19 year old game with a twist

[feral mason]

isnt that just wow with every new expansion

[slate crown]

y r we here

[worthy heart]

ok so bottomline: i need to econ energy more, be careful about envenom uptime more and not waste a tea energy at pull

[slate crown]

what are we doing to ourselves

[royal lantern]

addiction

[solar bramble]

1/2 of tea being wasted almost seems right. with when you use it. . . if you have pi for half of them

[royal lantern]

yes

[spice spire]

Don’t bring logic into this

[feral mason]

anyone know if reattribution fixes are retroactive

or is logging doomed

already was but like

Even more

[shy pecan]

M Nymue has a bit of downtime yeah?

[worthy heart]

and pray that my raid betters itself, and pray for perfect killtimers

[royal lantern]

not really

[slim hamlet]

Yes but u are not gonna be overcapping during it

[royal lantern]

the short walks too adds and back

[feral mason]

like 3 seconds per add

[royal lantern]

but thats not really downtime

thats 3 sec walking

[feral mason]

9 seconds in total

its over

[royal lantern]

you only get downtime when you have the bomb

but thats a random target mechanic

[slim hamlet]

IS there a way to only show my energy wasted during Deathmarks

[solar bramble]

well the walking back you can cap. if you bled the adds.

[slim hamlet]

Thought it would be this but no

[solar bramble]

since they influx energy back to you on their death

[feral mason]

drop bomb inside boss with cloak

[upper spear]

Worst part about Nymue is having to hold your 2nd KB for 10 seconds or so

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[feral mason]

no clue if its possible

Trying it tonight forsure

[upper spear]

Unless someone knows something I don't, 2nd kb comes up seconds before her immune then you gotta walk to adds

[mighty nexus]

Smaller thing, but if you rupture at 4+cp you won’t have to waste a global to reapply rupture during your Kb window

[slim hamlet]

Like this is outside deathmarks

[feral mason]

It comes up

Shouldnt use it though

[slim hamlet]

It's legit only during deathmarks u would normally be overcapping unless u just afk

[worthy heart]

dont we want to stealth snapshot it during kb?

[upper spear]

Ya that'd what I'm saying. Which makes your 2nd DM delayed which is sorta dookie

[solar bramble]

end of kingsbane. last 3 seconds

only during the deathmark one though

[slate crown]

we don't care

[mighty nexus]

It’s like 100 dps increase mathematically

So not worth imo

[worthy heart]

so i better envenom instead of rupture there?

[odd notch]

Question regarding cruel dreamcarver, how do i utilize the on use effect?

[slate crown]

rupture snapshot is not important to stress about, if it happens cool (and it can naturally happen). if it doesn't, don't worry about it. Just refresh in pandemic as long as envenom doesn't drop

[worthy heart]

because i always do it

[mighty nexus]

You want to blast as many envenoms as you can during Kb

[slim hamlet]

and then this is outside deathmark during execute

[worthy heart]

after ambush i always put rupture there

does it impact on how much damage KB deals?

[mighty nexus]

If you can comfortable manage rupturing during a KB window without dropping envenom up time, it’s technically a very minuscule increase. For most people though, it’s just over complication for the 100 dps you get

[upper spear]

I know this, I do this, but tbh idk why. Does each env bring up the KB tick?

[harsh galleon]

Do you ever kidney in st with internal bleeding talented ?

[worthy heart]

or is it just a tryhard minmax to snapshot it

[upper spear]

Other stuff applies it

[worthy heart]

because tbh lately i've been more and more confused about kb

[slate crown]

It does not impact KB's damage in any way. It's tryhard minmax and even then it's a risk because you may end up clipping a long duration rupture and effectively waste its energy/cp spent

[shy pecan]

DId you have PI on your DMs?

[worthy heart]

ok

[slim hamlet]

yees

[slate crown]

So ultimately it's just better to not think about it. Just refresh in pandemic if it's fading after prioritizing envenom's buff

[slate crown]

Do you have a sepcific question about how KB works?

[shy pecan]

Yeah, that'd make sense for the excess energy. Outside of lust, they didn't have any PIs in their deathmarks

[upper spear]

I know we spam emv in KB, it's locked in to my brain, but tbh idk what it does. Is env empowered by KB or does env pump the KB tick?

[worthy heart]

yes, to clear any doubts i have, how does it actually work?

[gentle belfry]

Am I bad if I want to swap out branch for ashes for consistency's sake Also, use ashes with KB right, not DM?

[slim hamlet]

krill issue but u can

[cursive owl]

NHC Igira :3 i did the DPS that i got from Raidbots so i think im good to go for further gear improve ^-^

[clever niche]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[odd notch]

Question regarding cruel dreamcarver, how do i utilize the on use effect?

[upper spear]

!dagger

[shrewd crescent]

Hello, I am new to Rogue. M+ builds on Wowhead are a bit confusing on when to use them but from what ive seen most people play utilitarian or cleave build. which should i use between them or do i go with the most used talents on subcreation?

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[storm monolith]

Bro new discord mobile sucks ass I can't swipe left to see pins anymore. It automatically makes me try to respond to messages

[royal lantern]

🙂

🙂

🙂

[shy pecan]

🙂

[royal lantern]

i love updates that make stuff worse

[mighty nexus]

Tbh, I’m not sure of all the reasons, I just do it bc Whispyr says to do it

Outside of that though, envenom uptime increase our poison application chances so = more stacks on KB = higher KB tics

[royal lantern]

most either go aterial or hybrid

it doesnt really make a big difference

they are all extremely close too eachother

[slate crown]

@upper spear @worthy heart . Kingsbane damage is increased with every Weapon Poison Application. This means when Amp, Crippling, Deadly, etc, Proc via weapon swings / when you use abilities, KB's damage is increased. You have 4 poisons on with DTB. That means every melee ability connection (Swing, Ambush, Finisher casts, garrote) can proc up to 4 poisons. The number of poisons applied this way is doubled during Deathmark.

Making KB's damage stronger is about maximizing the number of Melee ability connections you have with the target. Special note, Mutilate counts as 2 connections, whereas Ambush only counts as one, because mutilate uses both main and offhand.

Rupture and Envenom are finishers, and they can both proc poisons when they connect, but neither of them is special in this regard. They are simply a singular melee ability connection. If you cast envenom, it is a connection and can proc poisons, and if you cast rupture, it is a connection and can proc poisons.

Envenom increases your chance apply poisons on every melee connection for the duration of its buff, however casting more envenoms only refreshes this buff. Envenom is important to apply for its buff, but if you cast it again, it is the same as any other melee connection.

Hope that helps

[storm monolith]

I have to use the stupid ass spyglass in the top right this is awful

[worthy heart]

ok yes that was perfectly helpful

[mighty nexus]

show off

[brazen zodiac]

it really is awful

wannabe snapchat lol

[storm monolith]

I cant fucking see who pinged me because they changed the has: and mentions: functions too

[mighty nexus]

Notification tab at the bottom has all that

[slate crown]

[storm monolith]

What tab

[mighty nexus]

Press the arrow at top left

[storm monolith]

Ok that's actually really neat

Game changer right there

[mighty nexus]

I’ve spent many hours deciphering this ass update

[manic quartz]

wait what, i've been cucking myself for not having crippling poison in raids?

[mighty nexus]

As long as you’ve got 4 poisons on, it doesn’t matter which ones as far as KB is concerned