assassination

[torn atlas]

Oh baby

[shut owl]

I've never been within spitting range of title; my goal is just to find some folks to actually push with

as much fun as attempting to pug 23's/24's with nobodies is

[torn atlas]

I absolutely love assassination but if we had any kind of support/tank/healer spec I think I'd be all over that in an instant

[shut owl]

key word: attempting

[slim hamlet]

Alchemist sounds cool tbh

I kinda like the idea of supp spec, I just insanely heavily dislike aug way of it

[storm monolith]

let me throw vials of acid on the ground for the enemies to stand in

[slim hamlet]

we already got that baby

[storm monolith]

let me forcibly have my allies imbibe of 100% legally created concoctions

[round coyote]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[runic hinge]

This is when assa was bis

Season 2 lmao

[storm monolith]

i'm like level 40 i have zero clue what all that is

[runic hinge]

2876 was top 75 world

[dark token]

This is nothing

Link season 1 shadowlands assa io

9.0 only, no 9.0.5

Worst state spec has ever been

How does unholy keep getting away with it tho

[twilit parcel]

Am i doing this right? (M+)

[runic hinge]

I’ve only been doing keys since s3 sl. I’ve played wow for a long time but I didn’t do pve really until then

And I didn’t play rogue until DF

[twilit parcel]

@south wing Give me advice, don't give me reactions xD

[south wing]

me likey arterial this week

[twilit parcel]

Send me your M+ Build code

[balmy condor]

It’s on wowhead

[twilit parcel]

I tried to copy it, ingame it keeps telling me I'm copying an old version.

[maiden sierra]

whats that aug log fix with sanguine blades?

did we steal some of augs damage on logs or the other way around?

[balmy condor]

We were stealing their damage

[maiden sierra]

as god intended

[carmine shore]

man, dropping CT is the wave

[twilit parcel]

CT?

[carmine shore]

i am absolutely blasting these prio targets that are making groups fall apart and it feels so good

[carmine shore]

crimson tempest

[twilit parcel]

ah

I suck with acronyms

[south wing]

what does that mean

[carmine shore]

chicken tenders are great

[south wing]

[void pecan]

Tendies are great.

[twilit parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/hpw-alucard-hellsing-neat-condescending-gif-20166369

[lean portal]

hi guys what do we think of ember of nullification ?

it sims super mega high somehow

[spice surge]

Its stats that arent a proc so theyre always up for CDs, pretty good

[lean portal]

thinking of replacing sandglass by this in m+ honestly

but no one does it soo

[spare lodge]

If fight (mythic Larodar) is ~5:30 - 6:30 in duration, is it better to pot twice or pot during a late lust?

[lean portal]

twice

[storm monolith]

ayo wait deathmark is kinda cool

double damage and another dot

[glass fulcrum]

is this garbage? spike conter weight dmg on volcross?

is like 480 ilvl

[slim pebble]

That trinket is buns

[storm monolith]

seems the vocabulary has changed again

used to be called cheeks

[glass fulcrum]

ok

[frozen iris]

Was asked by a priest for a weak aura to notify here when i want a pi. Does anybody have one that they use?

[sullen aurora]

!m

[slim hamlet]

searcg PI on wago and find hundreds

[cunning needle]

what are you doing here

[lean portal]

macro /W {priest name} pi me with deathmark

[slim hamlet]

u need a wa

[cunning needle]

you don't need a WA

you just whisper the priest "PI me"

[slim hamlet]

simply whispering doesnt do anything without wa

[cunning needle]

[slim hamlet]

???

the priest need a wa

[sullen aurora]

im looking for the /cast shadow dance
/cast kingsbane macro

but i think that works

[cunning needle]

you just wrote it

gratz

[lean portal]

XD

[cunning needle]

yeah the priest does, not you

[sullen aurora]

this mf

[slim hamlet]

yes

[cunning needle]

[slim hamlet]

look wehat he wrote

[lean portal]

why would the priest need a wa

confused

[frozen iris]

Yeah im whispering right now. But looking to see if there was better way

[slim hamlet]

???

[cunning needle]

i thought he meant he needs a weak aura to notify the priest

why would the priest ask someone to go ask the rogue discord for the weak aura

[slim hamlet]

because just whispering doesnt do shit

[cunning needle]

?!?!??!?!?!

are you gaslamping us

[frozen iris]

Because she said that she has had 4 that didnt work

[slim hamlet]

priest need wa for something to glow when whisper

[lean portal]

yes but then the priest can press the pi button

[slim hamlet]

????????????

[frozen iris]

Im aware how this can work

[slim hamlet]

u arent real

[frozen iris]

im looking for a better way

[slim hamlet]

just bind it in dm

[lean portal]

im lost

[slim hamlet]

what is the problem?

[spice spire]

I bind it in DN

[cunning needle]

okay just go back to the priest and tell them to ask in the priest discord

and not here

[frozen iris]

Thats what im doing

[spice spire]

To be honest

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/testing-new-deez-nuts-ha-teeth-gif-15758045

[cunning needle]

im pretty sure i get what the question is now

[slim hamlet]

@frozen iris

thats all u need to do

rest is priest problem

[thorn lynx]

@balmy condor Hey, what do you think of untalenting Fleet Footed and putting the point somewhere else if you have the Cruel Dreamcarver with the Dragonkin buff?

[balmy condor]

Excuse me sir you’re supposed to be doing something productive during the officer meeting break

I will report you to the authorities

[thorn lynx]

I am not an officer. I am a simple raider

[balmy condor]

You were told to watch videos were you not

[gilded oasis]

narc

[thorn lynx]

Already watched them

[balmy condor]

Watch em again!

[thorn lynx]

I even provided constructive criticism.

Such as not knocking adds away so my Caustic can be more

[balmy condor]

Wow that’s wild I said the same thing when I saw that

[gilded oasis]

yeah same

what video

[balmy condor]

My reaction was “what the fuck”

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-trial-crazy-evil-ill-fucking-do-it-again-gif-17111514

[dusk sun]

Hey whyspr what build are you favoring in this weeks keys?

[balmy condor]

The one that makes you happy brain juice the most

I personally roll a d40 to determine my m+ builds

[frozen iris]

Just trying to be helpful to my priest

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s my biggest die

[dusk sun]

xD fair enough

[balmy condor]

I would roll a d100

[thorn lynx]

He probably likes the one where you don't take Fleet Footed if you have the Cruel Dreamcarver with the Dragonkin buff

[balmy condor]

But I’m afraid that someone would make a new build while it rolls

And I would need to get a d101

And custom dice with odd numbers are very expensive

So would prefer not doing that

[spice spire]

D100s are wild

[gilded oasis]

you're wild

[keen spruce]

at some point

u just use google

[spice spire]

Sistren if only you knew

[keen spruce]

to rng a number no

I realize dice very tactile

but like

[spice spire]

This was for magic the virgining sir

[slim hamlet]

that is all u do, then they download a wa that shines your frame when u whisper them

[gilded oasis]

people cant even use google to find a WA so they surely cant use google to get a number

[keen spruce]

yeah but yall have phones

[spice spire]

It was the most miserable experience of my Life

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

It was. 5 hour long game

You had to roll one every turn

[gilded oasis]

took 2 seconds, it probably works idk theres like 5 more
https://wago.io/f5SA1p-ye

can automate your whisper
https://wago.io/IpNVKg121

another https://wago.io/jbOBKeH4p

[drifting cloud]

if a healer priest doesnt have a pi wa what have they been doing past 3 years lol

[spice spire]

You’re wild

Could be new to priest

[gilded oasis]

I get PI from a spriest so I get it when he wants >:|

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-out-loud-lol-jerry-mouse-tom-and-jerry-gif-16446046

[spice spire]

Toxic mf

I s2g

[gilded oasis]

I get it at the weirdest times

[spice spire]

I taught you well

[drifting cloud]

if youre not optimizing it with the sp you might aswell give it to someone else

[gilded oasis]

like about to be intermissions no fryakk PI

OK dude

[slim hamlet]

Imagine even having a spriest in your group

[drifting cloud]

a badly timed pi on assa is worthless

[slim hamlet]

Tell that to all the m+ priests just sending it on yellow class when they feel like it

[spice spire]

Isn’t it best for us on spriest timings? It’s kinda good for no one but y’know

[slim hamlet]

I would be suprised if it is not better for bm now

with spriest timings

[twilit parcel]

What should I craft next for M+? Got the Toxic Boots + Armor Patch wrists.

Ring or Dagger?

[gilded oasis]

idk theres some fights I hold dm for something and he just sends PI. it theoretically matches up but not then

[slim hamlet]

2 min class too but they dont want 20 seconds until opener right

[gilded oasis]

BM already has 2 priests PI'ing him on heroic and 1 on mythic

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/diesofcringe-gif-24606059

[spice spire]

Zar aren’t you two rogues?

[cunning needle]

ring with flavor pocket

or engi bracers

[twilit parcel]

Flavor Pocket it is

[spice spire]

Not you specific but don’t you guys run two

[gilded oasis]

yeah other rogue is outlaw maybe swapping to sub

[twilit parcel]

crit/Mast ye @cunning needle ?

[spice spire]

Gross

Hate them

[drifting cloud]

I mean if you have a healer priest and they pi the bm

[cunning needle]

whatever your sims tells you to do

[drifting cloud]

just swap lol

[gilded oasis]

Yeah

[drifting cloud]

literally +raid dps

[spice spire]

Not actually

[slim hamlet]

the other rogue in ours is sub gamer

[gilded oasis]

they are also a spreadhseet so they are banned in here

[cunning needle]

if you are multi speccing i'd do crit/vers

or crit/mast

honestly also stats dont matter

[spice spire]

My guild is two outlaw and one retired bozo

[slim hamlet]

stats are the most fake shit in existance for assassination this tier

it's actually wild

it just doesnt matter at all

[slim hamlet]

are u the retired bozo?

[spice spire]

This tier

Ye

[slim hamlet]

I mean last season it was kinda worth to even look at what stats u picked when same ilvl

[gilded oasis]

I mean would make sense but they'd never listen to me. plus spriest is gone rn and so theres no swap there just BM getting it. also we dont plan or min/max those things anyway so lost cause

[spice spire]

Kind of sort of

In the end we still wanted a mix of things

[slim hamlet]

right now you are losing actually nothing

[spice spire]

I had to gem. vers at some point

[slim hamlet]

Best upgrade I can get is to get more mastery instead of vers which in total would add up to 0.2% for me

[balmy condor]

If I tell people that I crafted my bracers vers mast

Do you think their head would explode

[gilded oasis]

yes

[slim hamlet]

Wait

[south wing]

yea

[slim hamlet]

So the guides are fake?

I thought vers was bad

[south wing]

yes

[slim hamlet]

why is it last if its good

[south wing]

guides are fake

[slim hamlet]

I will call the wowhead authorities

[south wing]

dude who wrote them is dookie

[slim hamlet]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wait lemme check the faq for stat weights

oh damn

[gilded oasis]

damn

[slim hamlet]

[drifting cloud]

we should all start posting screenshots with pawn in them

whispyr would go mad

[cunning needle]

are you secretly a sub player?

[slim hamlet]

Why would he go mad

I use pawn all the time?

[spice spire]

I’m gonna hit filter

[slim hamlet]

I choose my weekly vaults based off of stat weights

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

Yeah whenever I play sub I’m a sub one trick and whenever I go back to assa im an assa one trick

[spice spire]

Real

[cunning needle]

based

[slim hamlet]

what about outlaw?

[storm monolith]

oh wow wahat

[spice spire]

Painsmith remembers

[cunning needle]

dead spec no one plays outlaw

[shy heron]

Does anyone have a pawn string that shows me how much restealths are worth?

[ember mural]

[storm monolith]

garrote is the opener? i would think it would be shiv so you can get the bonus damage on your dot

[spice spire]

Do not ask whispyr what spec he played in 9.1

[gilded oasis]

I cant even rememberr 9.1

what was that

[balmy dome]

Is it okay to refresh rupture in KB?

[spice spire]

SoD

[gilded oasis]

what bosses was that

[spice spire]

Sylvanas end boss

Kt

Painsmith etc

[gilded oasis]

oh I remember now

thats when Dad left and never came back

[cunning needle]

if you have sdance it's dps neutral or something

[spice spire]

[balmy dome]

excellent ty

[twilit parcel]

How do I sim for m+? Dungeon Slice?

[cunning needle]

[storm monolith]

wait shit

[gilded oasis]

actually very sad. also I think I was sub this tier

[storm monolith]

blindside makes my hotkeys weird

i won't be in stealth but i can still use ambush

[spice spire]

Zar lost her street cred

[storm monolith]

so i can't have ambush where mutliate is

[spice spire]

Damn

[gilded oasis]

I miss Fred

[spice spire]

Same

[spice spire]

Whoop

Slipped teehee

[drifting cloud]

hes gonna purge

[cunning needle]

okay buddy settle down

there's a line

[shy heron]

You star. ❤️

[slim hamlet]

Any theorycrafters I can consult for acccurate and up-to-date information in here?

[cunning needle]

and you've passed it

[gilded oasis]

maybe chatgpt will write the sin faq

[spice spire]

I’m going to hit filter part 6

[gilded oasis]

sub faq lookin wild

[slim hamlet]

[slim hamlet]

Yea Fuu went wild in there

[balmy condor]

Fuu breaking the fourth wall on every paragraph talking to himself

Voices are winning

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

[gilded oasis]

bigly true

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[balmy condor]

Have you not seen it?

[spice spire]

Brother I’ve barely seen our faq

[gilded oasis]

Nothin to see there

I only looked cause other rogue said it was cool

[slim hamlet]

what faq?

[spice spire]

Wowhead.com as god intended

[slim hamlet]

[celest helm]

anyone good at assass rogue logs who can help me

[spice spire]

They’re getting that hot as revenue

[wise loom]

i am coming back have not played since release of Dragon how are we doing in terms of Raids PVP etc.

[celest helm]

need to figure out something im doing wrong but drawing a blank

[spice spire]

[gilded oasis]

@spice spire is pretty good and loves to look at logs

[wise loom]

or should i gear my fury 1st?

[spice spire]

Bro why

[slim hamlet]

great for pve

prolly also for pvp but who knows

literally no one plays it anymore

[gilded oasis]

[fallen raven]

pvp is fake

[spice spire]

@gilded oasis Ur gonna get got one day

[gilded oasis]

bless

[spice spire]

I’m gonna send you 600 pounds of cookie dough

Bozo

[wise loom]

anywhere i can find the new rotation

[slim hamlet]

Whispyr

we need your macro

[slim hamlet]

#assassination-faq

[wise loom]

ty

[gilded oasis]

wym Pikaboo still pvps rogue...uh sometimes

[slim hamlet]

Saw there were 1400 games played in 24 hours of arena

or maybe it was a full reset

guessing 24 hours otherwise it is truly fully dead

[gilded oasis]

1300 of them were pika

surely

[slim hamlet]

solo queue is like 95% of the population of pvp now apparently

[gilded oasis]

oh yeah I should try that

[wise loom]

im on Area 52 what is an active horde server i can move to?

[spice spire]

Solo queue time to go to league

[gilded oasis]

I solo queue HOTS against bots so like idk im pretty good

[spice spire]

Area 52 and illidan are the top two horde servers

[slim hamlet]

[gentle belfry]

Is this in the wrong order?

[slim hamlet]

in 24 hours

[wise loom]

so PVP is dead ig if i want PVP ill redownload SWTOR

[drifting cloud]

you shouldnt use ashes with dm, macro it to kb if anything

[slim hamlet]

pvp is a classic only thing

or solo queue but apparently that is dogshit too, try #pvp tho

soloqueue

[gilded oasis]

I just went in there, do not reccommend

[gentle belfry]

oh so different rules than witherbark?

[spice spire]

Notrickz is my goat

He made that place infinitely better

They’re like bottom of the totem pole of filter hits now

[gilded oasis]

well its 8pm I think Ive been awake long enough right?

👵

[slim hamlet]

I like how pvp is under off topic

rough

[spice spire]

At one point they were #1/2

[spice spire]

Already ahead of you big dog

[gilded oasis]

where it belongs

[drifting cloud]

well OT is the main channel of this discord

[spice spire]

Been in bed for an hour because 👴

[spice spire]

REAL

[gilded oasis]

I used to go in OT once

I like it here better

[slim hamlet]

I usually use this as off topic

like we are right now

for hours

[gilded oasis]

tru

[spice spire]

Here is where I’m tamed

[drifting cloud]

this is just OT2

[spice spire]

OT is where I’m truly wildin

[slim hamlet]

u can run free and wild in OT

[gilded oasis]

I dont need to be more free and wild, theres too many people here

sometimes I forget how many people are here

[slim hamlet]

Hidden meetings and parties go on in here tho

[gilded oasis]

then I remember and Im

[slim hamlet]

don't tell anyone

[spice spire]

Nah that’s where you do mute roulette

[slim hamlet]

what that mean

[drifting cloud]

!mr Ill never forget you

[slim hamlet]

wait

is it an actual thing

[spice spire]

Yes

[slim hamlet]

hmm

I am tempted

[plain moon]

On larodar if the adds are dying way before my KB pops anyways is it still worth to do the accelerated opener?

[slim hamlet]

it is never worth

[gentle belfry]

does simming with Witherbark assume it is used optimally? Wondering if a shitty witherbark use is worse than Ashes

[spice spire]

If you type !Mr in there you’re muted up to 2 hours

[slim hamlet]

only for parsing

[spice spire]

If you get muted

[gilded oasis]

if they die that quick probably better to not take caustic then

[slim hamlet]

accelerated opener on larry is Whispyr propaganda

[spice spire]

Nah he’s being based and real

[gilded oasis]

real dumb

[slim hamlet]

smh my head

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

Zar I s2g

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/gotword-deeznuts-gottem-deez-nuts-gif-4394929

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

Truly an elitist jerk damn

[gilded oasis]

truly

[slim hamlet]

outlaw icon in my holy sin channel

[gilded oasis]

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/stay-away-coronavirus-virus-stay-home-kid-gif-17209394

[spice spire]

[gilded oasis]

Okay KIR icon man

[slim hamlet]

It is disguise

nothing more nothing less

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

Anyway gn.
Behave kids

[gilded oasis]

Goodnight

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

never dad

[twilit parcel]

Poison Bomb or Arterial.. Dunno..

[slim hamlet]

both

[twilit parcel]

Not an option.

[gilded oasis]

which one makes you feel better

[slim hamlet]

It is

[twilit parcel]

Dunno, I've only done arterial on dummies.

[slim hamlet]

most popular talents for higher keys is both

[gilded oasis]

me too (his name is quake)

[gentle belfry]

Does simming with Witherbark assume it is used optimally? Wondering if a shitty witherbark use is worse than Ashes Also, where is it best to macro Ashes?

[slim hamlet]

as long as u got all 3 stacks for last ticks of KB it is best

[keen spruce]

look how nicely this IC update fit into my UI @balmy condor

it's like u made it for me

[cerulean nest]

fast opener probably best for tindral right?

[slim hamlet]

so unless u take it way too early or simply dont take at all branch is best

[keen spruce]

also dw about the fact that i just updated this

after many weeks of this being out

[potent dawn]

You dont macro it and you use it 2-3 seconds into KB like the guide says

[slim hamlet]

I haven't even been asked to fix my omnicd yet

it exploded on release

[spice spire]

Sistren. I’m gonna 1v1 you next blizzcon

[slim hamlet]

thought u went to bed grandpa

[gilded oasis]

HES STILL HERE

[twilit parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/smug-smile-evil-smirk-albedo-gif-12476946

[gilded oasis]

also I think whispyr said (dont quote me) as long as you 1/1/4 its still better?

or Im making that up and dont listen to me

[twilit parcel]

What's..1/1/4 ?

[gilded oasis]

on branch

[slim hamlet]

1/1/4-1/1/9

[twilit parcel]

I don't understand all this code talk

[slim hamlet]

just simply gotta pick em all up and have it for all of KB

no need to stress

[twilit parcel]

aha

[spice spire]

dragonflight.witherbarks_branch_timing=1/1/7

Just

[slim hamlet]

the amount of seconds between each pickup

[gilded oasis]

so pick one ball right away, pick the 2nd ball one second later then wait 4 seconds at least before last ball - but 7 seconds is optimal or something

[spice spire]

Play with it

[twilit parcel]

THANK YOU ❤️

[slim hamlet]

also get some wa

[balmy condor]

Very nice

[slim hamlet]

Lowii's is absolutely godlike and makes it passive basically

[patent gust]

How come we do so much damage on gnarlroot

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-sakuga-tlou-gif-22745495

wtf is this text

[gilded oasis]

he takes extra dam and also spatter is good on him

[slim hamlet]

wtf is marvel sakuga

[balmy condor]

Spatter exists and there’s a big increased damage phase 2 minutes in

[peak bobcat]

how am i supposed to use branch on tindral

[twilit parcel]

Is there any fix? Whenever I use vanish on dummies, my Details meter resets, so I can't do my rotation and see the full result xP

[peak bobcat]

this feels impossible

[patent gust]

Yeah 100% increased damage

[slim hamlet]

by unequipping it

[patent gust]

Didn't think of the spatter part

Thanks

[balmy condor]

There’s an option for dynamic overall

[twilit parcel]

Ah, thanks

[slim hamlet]

!details

[prisma monolith]

To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1173432355785027584/details_vanish.png

[wild birch]

What does this mean?

[balmy condor]

Same as normal idk, the only one that’s rough is the 2 minute one because you’re on the move for it, just collect as you can

[balmy condor]

Augs buffed the damage of those things, and didn’t get credit for it

Now they are getting credit for it

[slim hamlet]

stealing our dmg once again

smh my head

[gilded oasis]

can we petition for a parse reset

[silk bane]

pretty sure they will

not a full reset

[slim hamlet]

it really isn't that bad, I have never had an aug buff me

[silk bane]

but similar to uhdk issue

[twilit parcel]

Am i blind? Can't find it

[silk bane]

in 10.1.5

[gilded oasis]

let me cope

[vital ingot]

How much "loss" is that bug fix?

[potent dawn]

How much of a loss is it in a log percentage of total Sanguine damage wise?

[slim hamlet]

well u arent in display

like it said

wait

[balmy condor]

Depends how much your augs were buffing you when on which fights

[slim hamlet]

now I cant remeber for sure if it is actually under display

but I believe it is

[balmy condor]

But it’s pretty minor

[vital ingot]

Yeah fair

[balmy condor]

Bigger for the other 2 specs I think

[twilit parcel]

ty

Found it

[slim hamlet]

Was looking at peoples sanguine blades dmg with aug and mine with no aug

[potent dawn]

I swear our Augs spend half the raid complaining that OUR DAMAGE ISNT RIGHT AND YOURS IS A LIE ROGUES

[storm monolith]

holy crap i've been doing my opener COMPLETELY wrong

[slim hamlet]

and there were legit no difference

[storm monolith]

i've been opening with shiv cause i thought it boosted all my dot damage, but it's only nature

[balmy condor]

It’s all damage

Well

“All”

Arterial precision is a bleed buff

[slim hamlet]

not lightning bolts Whispyr

[fallen forge]

bleed and poison i think

[slim hamlet]

We have been through this

[balmy condor]

Yeah, caustic only cleaves poisons

[storm monolith]

"your NATURE damage done to the target is increased by 30% for the next 8 seconds"

[balmy condor]

Like bonus damage on mutilate

[balmy condor]

Yes, now read the leftmost capstone

[slim hamlet]

and then read Arterial Precision

anyways goodnight cuties, may the parse gods be in your favours

[storm monolith]

why would you take that? wouldn't you want something more single target focused?

[balmy condor]

Because that’s the best option

Buffing bleeds during your burst

Is very good

What would you consider single target focused instead of that point

[twilit parcel]

Should I sim my different builds In Dungeon Slice (Talents) or just avoid that?

[balmy condor]

You can

[storm monolith]

ok then maybe i haven't been doing it wrong. i'm not that high of a level so using it on pull is probably best until i get that capstone

[balmy condor]

Oh you’re not max level

Yeah okay

Nothing you do matters then

[storm monolith]

i was going to give an example but after looking at all the capstones none of them in particular are st focused lol

[twilit parcel]

Wish rogue poisons were like runeforging, kinda annoying having to forget and suddenly re-apply mid-fight.

[storm monolith]

that would be nice

[fallen forge]

thats where all the excitement comes from

[twilit parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-alert-icon-warning-you-have-alerted-the-horse-gif-24860389

[storm monolith]

now, PERSONALLY i apply poisons after every boss

for dungeons anyways

[fallen forge]

i apply poisons during the pull timer

living life on the edge

[shy heron]

I apply poisons when I have nothing better to do, constantly

[plain moon]

larodar opener accelerared vs non, confirmed not propaganada

[storm monolith]

damn that druid damage is high

[cunning needle]

go into bookmarks -> scripts -> dynamic overall damage

[fallen forge]

bro hit em with half a moonfire respect

[twilit parcel]

Found it

[balmy condor]

Sounds like skill issue for not having a weakaura to remind you

[cunning needle]

[twilit parcel]

:C

[storm monolith]

ya know

[fallen raven]

oh lmao that was you in that group

[cunning needle]

my weak aura reminds me with 5 mins to go on fights that lasts longer than 5 minutes

there may be some logs where i'm casting poisons during it

[storm monolith]

people say weakauras are really helpful, and i don't doubt it, but so far the weakaura i have has only assisted me in one single aspect, and that is how many combo points i have and how much energy i have

[balmy condor]

My weakaura tells me when they aren’t active

[storm monolith]

cause when i'm playing i'm constantly looking at my buttons at the bottom of the screen

[balmy condor]

Wait until you get to the real game

[slim hamlet]

This is the way, I just auto click it when I stand still for more than 5 seconds

[balmy condor]

They are

Very insanely helpful

Could not imagine mythic raiding without weakauras

[storm monolith]

can you give an example? my eyes are GLUED to the very bottom of the screen where my abilities are

[gentle belfry]

Whats the top trinket slot #

[cunning needle]

you can put the buttons at the bottom of your screen, to the middle of your screen

likewise with your health and target health

[slim hamlet]

13

[keen spruce]

I wanted my head enchant

kek

[storm monolith]

i actually already tried that, and it was a disaster. i have the subconscious habit of putting my cursor in the middle of the screen when i turn my camera, and i kept clicking on the abilities and having nothing happen, then my tab targeting wouldn't work cause i couldn't see stuff, it was a huge mess

[cunning needle]

dunno if your new tag is new to rogue or wow but i'll assume the latter for this.

If you have one of the weakauras from the weakaura package - it'll show all your main abilities there but not clickable so you wont have that problem

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slim hamlet]

Make the bars unclickable

Basically all the bar addons can do that

[cunning needle]

when i say the middle

i mean the bottom middle

they should be under your character

that being said, you do what works for you

some people play the game without any weak auras at all

[storm monolith]

don't get me wrong

[slim hamlet]

I personally have my bars on my 2nd monitor zoomed in

[storm monolith]

i HAVE the weakauras, i just can't mentally utilize them the way i should. i've got the icons in the middle of my screen, really big, but i never look at them cause i'm either focused on the enemies, mechanics, or staring at my actual hotbars cause i can't remember which button i need to press on my mouse for an ability

it's a me thing

[cunning needle]

i play without the HUD and zoomed in for the true immersive experience

[cunning needle]

that's not a bad thing. you shouldn't be looking at your bars much

as you spend longer doing it - it'll become muscle memory

[storm monolith]

god i hope so

[cunning needle]

really the things yo ushould be looking at is what's on/coming off cooldown

[slim hamlet]

Legit doesn't matter for you yet at all

Focus on learning the game before thinking about optimizing it

[balmy condor]

You can just move those up so you don’t have to look at them there. They can give you additional info that normally you wouldn’t have, like the timer on pandemic for bleeds, highlighting during kingsbane or making envenom more visible for the tier set. It can help track important debuffs applied by bosses so you don’t wipe the raid or die, such as smolderon orbs, tindral orb soaks. On Smolderon there’s a weakaura to show you where you throw lines out since it’s based on which way your character is facing, it can track any buffs or debuffs on your character as well, for example if you have to run out on nymue with a circle. You can track the kick cooldowns in your party for mythic+, assign soak positions such as on neltharion last tier. It can track healer cooldowns, give a timeline for boss abilities coming up by integrating into bigwigs.

Pretty much any information you would ever need, you can display it however you want to

It’s insanely powerful

[storm monolith]

it isn't a matter of optimization. i was running mythic keys back in shadowlands, but i did everything back then with default blizzard ui. i'm new to addons, moreso than i am to wow

[cunning needle]

tbh take it one step at a time

having weak auras is definitely useful

but information overload is also a thing

[storm monolith]

not to mention it's more a matter of me trying to build good hand movement habits than me trying to optimize my micro

[cunning needle]

some good basic ones to have are ones that track your big cooldowns

eg kingsbane/deathmark/vanish

eventually you get to the point where you don't need to see that your mutilate keybind is 1

[storm monolith]

to be fair in this department it's entirely useless as far as i'm aware, at least for the moment, because unless i know the fight mechanics and what's coming up, knowing when i have cooldowns doesn't really help me too much

[balmy condor]

[cunning needle]

how is not knowing when you ahve cooldowns useful

[balmy condor]

It sounds like we’re playing different games I’m gonna be honest

[storm monolith]

i'll break it down the way i see it, even though this likely isn't the right mindset to have

[twilit parcel]

I hate having 2 use trinkets, makes my rotation so uneven.. Drop damnit, Sandglass! >:C

[storm monolith]

say i use cloak retroactively because i had a magical effect (ex: dot) placed on me

[slim hamlet]

He said world quests are actual content tbf

[storm monolith]

unless i know in advance that i'm going to have another magical effect come up soon after my cd ends, me knowing it's coming up won't really matter

[balmy condor]

[cunning needle]

yeah but what about offensive cooldowns

[balmy condor]

I mean he’s not wrong

World quests are content

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

They’re just not content that you need any sort of optimization or brain power for

So they’re pretty pointless to talk about

[slim hamlet]

Ehm acthuahlly

[cunning needle]

false - i have a macro to auto target and fire at the 25 plums WQ in onara plains

[fallen raven]

world quest apl when

[slim hamlet]

Renown 20 wyrm crest

Buddyo

[balmy condor]

Mr renown farmer out here

[cunning needle]

gotta get my 600 gold

[slim hamlet]

Yea when are we getting a world quest choice like patchwerk and dungeon slice?

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

[cunning needle]

gotta sub to patreon for that

[slim hamlet]

Chat is this real?

[fallen raven]

you could probably do some really messed up mdt import for it couldn't you

[storm monolith]

i don't really know what to say about this one. in all honesty, when i'm doing my damage rotation i don't ever really keep track of stuff. if i get a proc and i'm in the right conditions to use it, i do so. when my cd's are over i typically know when in my rotation that is (for example i'd know that after say 13 casts of frostbolt and 6 casts of blizzard my frozen orb will be ready). granted there are some passive proc effects for classes that make your cd's come up early, but i don't think i've played any that do that aside from some that let you press a button to reset the cooldown, which on its own is just another rendition of the above example for frozen orb.

[balmy condor]

Okay yeah

I do not play the same game as you

That’s not a thought process I’ve ever encountered

[storm monolith]

well look at it this way

[warped pilot]

[slim hamlet]

How do you end up in class discords when playing so casually

[balmy condor]

And not planning my CD’s is just trolling past normal raids and like +10’s in dungeons

[slim hamlet]

Like no flame but genuinely curious

[balmy condor]

I would just

Perform so much worse

[storm monolith]

you know that, at a certain haste value, your frostbolt and blizzard will have certain cast speeds. you can mathematically divide those numbers by the cd that frozen orb has, so you'll know after a specific number of casts when you can use orb without having to look at the cd

[cunning needle]

this is rogue discord

not mage discord

[celest helm]

on high raid bosses where KB and DM get desynced is it worth waiting to get them synced back together? On mythic Nymue i keep having them desync bc of phase timing

[storm monolith]

i mean i was doing 14's back in sl just fine

[cunning needle]

@balmy condor whats the haste breakpoint again for garrote ticks?

[slim hamlet]

Yes

Only happens on nymue and yes it is worth

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s not really difficult content though

[storm monolith]

the principle is the same. if you know how long your internal gcd is you can divide the cd of major abilities by it to know how many uses you would have before it comes back up

[balmy condor]

The moment you have to do anything remotely difficult

[cunning needle]

rogue GCD is flat 1 second

[balmy condor]

That you need to optimize for

Your logic breaks

No ones gonna sit there

Counting frostbolts

[steel saddle]

Whispyr your too generous with your time - don't bother with the guy lol

[storm monolith]

damn i'm being called out for doing this

[slim hamlet]

I personally count to 120 in my brain after each dm use

[drifting cloud]

hes bored at work

[cunning needle]

i mean he's not entirely wrong about knowing how many casts you can do before you press something like shiv again

[drifting cloud]

or maybe hes done by now hard to say

[fallen forge]

fellas how do yall save ur fps in raid. idk how but i got like 10 fps on fyrakk today

[cunning needle]

but what do you do about big 1min and 2min cooldowns

[cunning needle]

when the balls come in L

enjoy your slide show

[storm monolith]

like i said, if you have a flat value - i.e. 1 or 2 minute cooldowns - then you can divide the individual number of abilities necessary to last that duration

[desert vault]

onto council tomorrow, looks like from logs Sin is the play there?

[cunning needle]

okay nevermind

if that works for you

more power to your and your brain

i rather just see a timer

instead of doing mental counting

[fallen forge]

how do you change the refresh rate on details

[runic hinge]

We pool tho so you’re gonna have time not pressing abilities

Are you just counting then?

[slim hamlet]

Forgy has a vid on it that helped me a lot, also i can turn down refresh rate of plater by a bit for example

[cunning needle]

its in options on teh first page

oh yeah plater as well - though i dunnow here the refresh rate is on plater

[slim hamlet]

Oh yea and details

[storm monolith]

like you would know that (and this is a super basic example cause i am not max level rogue so i can't give a solid rotational example) "after 2 mutliates i can use envenom, after 2-3(idk which) envenoms garrote wears off so i need to reapply that, after i reapply garrote X times rupture will wear off. i can use rupture twice (again idk it may be three times) before kingsbane comes back up"

[clever perch]

We no longer use Crimson tempest?

[runic hinge]

It doesn’t work like that tho because you’re gonna have different amounts of combo points

And again, there’s s pooling

[gentle belfry]

[slim hamlet]

Yes if it wasn't all conditional

[fallen forge]

oh is it called update interval?

[slim hamlet]

This doesn't work

[cunning needle]

yeah

[slim hamlet]

Something like that

[fallen forge]

oh sweet

[cunning needle]

make number bigger

[slim hamlet]

It is in the "advanced" tab

[fallen forge]

we maxxing that shit out

[cunning needle]

can you link vid?

im gonna need it

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s fine if that’s how you play, it’s just not helpful to do anything like that in difficult PvE, you’ll quickly just fall behind because you’re not able to do the math in your head and play at a high enough level to keep up with the rest of your group. I’m not trying to call you out, it’s just…. Not good enough if you’re trying to perform better than average

[slim hamlet]

I also hid lower hits with my number addon

Classicnumbers

[clever perch]

Guys im kinda confussed, why ppl dont run crimson tempest anymore in high keys?

[slim hamlet]

So all the small spatter numbers doesn't lag it more

[runic hinge]

What’s your limit

[storm monolith]

yes and that's something i'm struggling with figuring out how to process. not that i dont' intellectually understand it, but waiting around just auto attacking for a few seconds to build up energy messes with my brain's flowchart of how to do things cause all i can think of is "well i should be pressing stuff but waiting a specific number of seconds won't work because when i start to pool it will never really be the same energy value"

[cunning needle]

honestly

you should play outlaw instead

[runic hinge]

That’s why I use weak auras instead of trying to do math

[cunning needle]

or even sub

[fallen forge]

oh thats bigbrain

[cunning needle]

wait probably not sub

[slim hamlet]

I think 5k or something

[gentle belfry]

or havoc /bm

[runic hinge]

I have mine at 13k right now and I feel like I could go higher

[cunning needle]

or fury

[storm monolith]

i think the main issue is this worked great for me on mage but that kind of hard rotational thing doesn't work for rogue at all

[cunning needle]

thanks mate

[storm monolith]

a lot of stuff isn't set in stone

[balmy condor]

One of these

I love those videos

And the spell queue ones

[storm monolith]

why?

[slim hamlet]

I mean this is just basically "turn everything off besides these because u need them"

[cunning needle]

you dont really pool in outlaw

you press buttons and react to procs if they come up

though there's also CDR

so maybe that doesnt work

[storm monolith]

cdr isn't really a problem though

[cunning needle]

then you should play outlaw

[storm monolith]

cause all that means is you accelerate the place order of abilities

[cunning needle]

how fucking smart are you dude

[runic hinge]

Cdr isn’t set in stone because of rtb tho

[storm monolith]

unfortunately i'm dumb as a rock

[cunning needle]

[slim hamlet]

Bro actually has 10 brains processing everything all at once

[cunning needle]

what you are all saying

is technically true

to a certain point

(it is also a lot of - why do so much effort when icon with countdown do trick)

[slim hamlet]

What u are saying is not remotely achievable while thinking about 10 other things a second, which u btw are also just guessing because u got no wa to show incoming mechanics

[storm monolith]

because i can't look at icon

my eyes WILL NOT go to the icon

as much as i wish they would

[cunning needle]

but you say youre looking at the bars

[runic hinge]

I think most specs are pretty reactive and not set in a specific you always do this

[slim hamlet]

Bro can't look at icon, but thinks he can think about 100 things a second during stressful situations

[storm monolith]

yes because that's the area that shows me what buttons i have associated with what abilities

the weakauras just show the cd's

[slim hamlet]

What

????

U have to be trolling

[storm monolith]

it was working when i was doing shadowlands keys

[slim hamlet]

Surely now

[runic hinge]

Weak auras are not only for tracking cds bud

[slim hamlet]

U realise wa is just bars but better

[storm monolith]

this is what i'm working with

[wise loom]

is ORC best race for rogue or is it pref

[cunning needle]

if you are asking that question - it doesn't matter

if you really want to know the answer

go on bloodmallet

[slim hamlet]

The one with the best animations that make u like playing it more is always better dps increase

highmountain tauren

[storm monolith]

i just have the issue of: if i make it so the weakauras display in the order i have my bars setup, then there wouldn't really be a functional difference

[still stirrup]

Except you don't need to look at your bars

It's more centered and easy to look at

[storm monolith]

i'm ashamed to admit this

but i forget what abilities are on what buttons a lot of the time

[sullen aurora]

@cunning needle give me your graple macro

[storm monolith]

so i'll spend a fraction of a second to look at my bars to remind myself

[cerulean nest]

does a M Tindral sin video exist?

[slim hamlet]

They are grouped by catagory, they are centered, they are easily readable

[cunning needle]

i don't have one

you could do a mouseover one i guess

i mean @cursor

#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] Grapple

[still stirrup]

This will get better with practice

[slim hamlet]

How do u track envenom, subterfuge, ic, shadow dance

[storm monolith]

ok for envenom (please don't laugh) if i have rupture up i always use it when i hit 4 combo points

so i don't really need to keep track of it

[slim hamlet]

Why do u not need to keep track of it

[runic hinge]

You will

[cunning needle]

but that's false

[slim hamlet]

Because of that

[cunning needle]

you do need to keep track of it

[slim hamlet]

Ofc u don't know about pooling yet

[storm monolith]

...............

[cunning needle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[storm monolith]

hang on

[cunning needle]

we're not laughing btw

[storm monolith]

uh

ok so

[cunning needle]

this has gone beyond being funny

[storm monolith]

i MAY

[slim hamlet]

But this is literally unplayable without weakauras

[storm monolith]

have made a miscalculation

[cunning needle]

THIS IS NOT A JOKE

[blazing jewel]

madge madge madge madge

[runic hinge]

We are just trying to help you

[slim hamlet]

Not anymore

[balmy condor]

Scana meow for me right now or I’ll ban you

[cunning needle]

we are a nuturing place, for the most part

[storm monolith]

i have been looking at deadly poison icon on enemy status bar and thinking it is the envenom debuff

[cunning needle]

[sullen aurora]

meow

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[storm monolith]

banned

[runic hinge]

Gotta be a ban it’s been forever

[blazing jewel]

woof

[runic hinge]

BANNED

[blazing jewel]

see this is how you push his buttons just enough

[balmy condor]

Damn farewell

[blazing jewel]

hes into that

or he wouldnt be a TC

[runic hinge]

one last mochi pic before you go

[drifting cloud]

I was here when scana got banned

[slim hamlet]

Everyone o7

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-salute-gif-24255323

[cunning needle]

actually that reminds me of when I started playing wow in cata

I read envenom "consumed your poisons" and i was like wtf I don't want to reapply my poisons every time I envenom

Pretty sure I made to 1month into max level before i casted envenom

[oak eagle]

Also here when Scana got banned

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/band-of-brothers-gif-27205452

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

"Kitten"

[blazing jewel]

I have made a mistake

[oak eagle]

@balmy condor have you noticed at all that Tight Spender has been simming better than Improved Ambush due to the Blindsise nerf?

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[blazing jewel]

I am sub rogue now

[balmy condor]

Yep

[runic hinge]

Lmfao I’ve been in this discord longer than you

Newbie

[blazing jewel]

[cunning needle]

who even are you????

welcome or something i guess

[cunning needle]

make sure to check out the faq pages

[drifting cloud]

damn herbies

[blazing jewel]

I dont know who I am

[slim hamlet]

Look at this newbie

[storm monolith]

huh

[cunning needle]

any questions reach out

[slim hamlet]

So cute

[blazing jewel]

do I have the leaf

[storm monolith]

my weakaura pack DOES NOT have envenom

[slim hamlet]

Sadly no

[runic hinge]

Yes

[storm monolith]

no WONDER i didn't see the icon

[slim hamlet]

Wair

[blazing jewel]

[slim hamlet]

I don't see leaf

[balmy condor]

🌿

[cunning needle]

i also dont see leaf

[silk bane]

bluuuuuueeee

[balmy condor]

He wasn’t gone long enough to have a leaf

[blazing jewel]

[slim hamlet]

There are a big majority of blue names in here

We take over

[slim hamlet]

Time to redo it

[cunning needle]

excellent

[storm monolith]

damn how do i keep track of envenom then? i just read it and hot damn the duration is garbage

[cunning needle]

this is now #subtlety-general

[runic hinge]

There’s a bar under your combo points that will be your envenom duration

[cunning needle]

oh boy do we have a solution for you

[slim hamlet]

With weakauras

[storm monolith]

that's thething

[runic hinge]

I can see it on your wa pack

[storm monolith]

the weakaura doesn't have envenom

WHERE

[runic hinge]

Little tiny bar under your combo points

[blazing jewel]

I want to ping whisp

[storm monolith]

THATS' THE TRACKER

that's nonsense i'm changing the size of that pee wee shit

[blazing jewel]

and ask him the nono questions like WHAT TRINKETS ARE S TIER but hes unhinged rn so he might actually ban me

[storm monolith]

i didn't even know that was there

[balmy condor]

I’m making you red by force

[blazing jewel]

woah dont spank me that hard

[cunning needle]

?????

[blazing jewel]

what if I go yellow

LMFAO he did it

[slim hamlet]

If u go yellow u never go back

[blazing jewel]

can you give me the snd icon back

[balmy condor]

Sure

[cunning needle]

[blazing jewel]

[storm monolith]

i'm gonna lose my mind dude i keep trying to move the goddamn bar but it goes back to default pos

[hard gazelle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[blazing jewel]

wait

whisp

that ban was demonic I have to join all the threads again

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

Should have meowed when he asked for a meow

[balmy condor]

I did kitten role call

And you didn’t show

Unlucky

[blazing jewel]

who were the others

[drifting cloud]

just meow in his twitch chat tomorrow when hes wiping on smolderon

[balmy condor]

@spice spire meows on demand

[slim hamlet]

He is bedge

Good luck waking grandpa up

[storm monolith]

ok so that didn't work

says that import string isn't a weakaura

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-plinker-plink-gif-1317261633404946088

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/felix-re-zero-felix-argyle-speech-bubble-speech-gif-25397116

[blazing jewel]

real

@indigo ether will you meow for whispyr

[storm monolith]

so are these plater profile things not weakauras? do i need to download something else?

[thorny crown]

plater profiles are for the addon "Plater Nameplates"

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/noway-gif-254273188714127328

[storm monolith]

thank you green glasses man

[indigo ether]

i stand in solidarity with scana

[blazing jewel]

[tranquil knot]

What’s the best way to sim ass rogue? Does dungeon slice work yet

For m+

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-so-you-have-chosen-death-chosen-death-lord-of-the-rings-gif-15767548

[blazing jewel]

whispyr the type of dude to actually run behind the last boss of fall

so his kb cant get parried

[subtle tundra]

We are meowing? Where

Meow

[lucid rain]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/SDkS_6QSzjgAAAAd/cat-nonsense-anime.gif

[south wing]

https://tenor.com/view/ear-wiggle-miqote-graha-tia-ffxiv-gif-20194031

[slim hamlet]

This is like late night YouTube​ recommended but in discord

This makes sense for my timezone

But you guys are just doing it natty

[runic hinge]

USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST

[daring mason]

Hello guys. How does envenom afflict my AOE rotation in mythic+? At least we are playing our „normal“ opener but we tried to get as many bleeds with garotte and rupture on our targets. But after the opener do i still envenom if its up and i have 4-5+ cp or do i keep spamming fan knife and crimson tempest? I want to mutilate sometimes to hold the caustic on my main target but outside of cd‘s im doing what exactly?

[clever perch]

Opinions about the new Arterial talent build in top m+?

[daring mason]

And we are using fan knife istead of mutilate and ambush

Most m+ pulls are bigger than 4-5 targets

[blazing jewel]

maintain spatter

[clever perch]

@blazing jewel what u think

[lucid rain]

it's not a new build but it's a good build for sure

[blazing jewel]

I dont do keys

they smell

[lucid rain]

you smell

[clever perch]

i mean its different from the standard arterial

[lucid rain]

I'm aware

[clever perch]

that's why i say "new"

[blazing jewel]

thats almost the build we play on council

[lucid rain]

it's still not new

but it's good

[fallen forge]

!aug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue abilities not being reattributed to Augs in logs:

Blade flurry Shadow Blades Sanguine Blades

Poisoned Edges Sudden Demise Shadow Eviscerate

More information

[blazing jewel]

also why are you playing tricks on sin

[lucid rain]

esp on fort week when there's a high hp mob that you can spatter off of

[blazing jewel]

play blackjack

[lucid rain]

maybe in a set group

if you're pugging, tricks is great

because you never know the quality of players you're getting

[south wing]

[blazing jewel]

you put your bleeds up and pick a high hp target to spatter off of with fan + envenoms

dont spam tempest just maintain in aoe

[balmy condor]

Mod? Abused
Pleb? Kicked
Scana? Meow’s
Hotel? Trivago

[balmy condor]

This is called cleave, you can see the build on wowhead

[slim hamlet]

I swear tricks is just better 3/4 times

[slate crown]

Should I be reading up wtf is going on in here

[storm monolith]

Knees? Weak
Arms? Heavy

[daring mason]

So i really just use tempest for the dot in aoe and keep envenom?

[blazing jewel]

ya

you spam envenom for spatter+tier set damage

spamming ct doesnt really do anything

[clever perch]

so we play "cleave" in fortified weeks at Atal/DHT/DOTI i guess?

[cunning needle]

had a discussion with a mate about it and he made a good point

any target that the DR from blind would be useful is likely a mob that can't be blinded anyway, so the DR aspect isn't really worth

[daring mason]

And im using my vanish not the last 3 secs of kb i will use it to get empowered garotts and ruptures right?

[slim hamlet]

I mean black Jack is a whole defensive for tanks

But tricks is just so good

[cunning needle]

yeah

but who cares about tanks

[balmy condor]

If you want to, sure why not

[cunning needle]

they can surviive themselves

tricks keeps me alive

[blazing jewel]

depends if pack is dead at that point

usually if you use cds the pack will nearly be dead by then

[daring mason]

Alright ty @blazing jewel

[balmy condor]

Who is this Jack guy?

[blazing jewel]

you get big crit during your vanish so you kind of have to value big envenom+ tier set crits vs spreading dots again

just play it in a few keys and it starts to make sense

[balmy condor]

Is he related to Jack Hoff

[cunning needle]

is black jack the same guy as jack black?