assassination

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[junior yoke]

Oh is it him?

[runic hinge]

That’s him. Maybe I shouldn’t have pinged at 1 am

[junior yoke]

Nah it’s okay. 7am in europe, time to work

[tawny geyser]

Ayy! My 1st one.
Not even simming it, lets go 😄

[junior yoke]

Lol… 99% of the work avoided

[rotund oak]

sim what exactly,its bis just fully upgrade and be happy lul

[tawny geyser]

Did 20 falls so far, no drops 🙂

[junior yoke]

Did 18 everblooms still no trink, even in vault

(This week)

[rotund oak]

i did 26 falls just for sandglass

[slim hedge]

I know a guy who did 50 De Other Sides for a certain trinket. Keep up the hope

[junior yoke]

Then I just need 8 more to be able to complain again? Or cry, whatever

[junior yoke]

We got this then!

[rotund oak]

its not a matter of comparison brother,just sayin'

ppl loot it in 1 run

its the loot rng

[junior yoke]

I know just kiding

Rng kills me sometimes

[slim hedge]

He still keeps every IQD he got throughout SL, not PTSD fr

[frozen iris]

Is there a way to sim if haste runes are better than crit/mast for me? Or is it nelgible?

[frigid echo]

Wtf is timestrike, I got the dagger in vault and have no clue wtf the timestrike stat does

[frozen iris]

its worth like 1% dps

Just a free bonus damage stat

[frigid echo]

Alright thanks big horse

[frozen iris]

Big horse huh?

[tame tangle]

there’s a script floating around but you can also run a quick sim, go to options at bottom and instead of simc default under runes select what you want, then do the same for what other rune you wanna check

[frozen iris]

Thanks!

[strange python]

yo guys how much is a decent sim for ST as assa

[bronze flicker]

i see alot of ppl useing my'das talisman but it sims low for me

[frozen iris]

Maybe theve just been unlucky with trinkets and you havent

[split flame]

anyone know whats the ID for indiscriminate carnage?

in weakauras

[solid mica]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[solid mica]

is anyone else getting tight spender simming better than improved ambush now that blindside got nerfed?

[wild marsh]

hey wich trinkets we wanna have for raid? signet brand and branch?

[raw raft]

haven't even checked tbh

[solid mica]

it's up by like 2k for me now

[junior yoke]

Hahaha bis trinket for sure right now

I killed herod like 100 times after playing burning crusade for a long time wanting this axe

I told myself when I’m high lvl I wold kill him lots of times, and I did

[strange python]

I've only played hybrid in M+ so far, how does arterial play?

I feel things are dyign too fast for hybrid in my keys

[runic hinge]

Arterial doesn’t help that. Bleeds take time to do damage

Blindside can feel good on bosses tho

[strange python]

is this a get a second gearset for sub angle?

[runic hinge]

I mean if you want to burst too probably outlaw is the play

[lucid otter]

Yeah second gear set is the outlaw angle tbh we have been super lucky all 3 specs feel cool to play

[runic hinge]

I’ve heard sub does well if you have cds but if you don’t you’re doing healer damage

[royal lantern]

i would call current sub the opposite of cool to play

50% of its kit is random shit thrown togheter

[strange python]

outlaw harder to second set tho i think

cuz im farming second nick atm

[runic hinge]

I tried it on smolderon and didn’t love it so I went back to sin

[storm forum]

i think its a craft a sword angle but idk

[slim hedge]

Yeah I'm not fond of the addition of flag in its current Danse build

[runic hinge]

I have a 20 fall rn. Help me get a nick ??

Not right now but like

One day

[royal lantern]

remove dust

make flag either 1min or 2min

sub is now allready soooo much smoother

[runic hinge]

If you play no dust, do you just hold flag for blades?

[storm forum]

im down

[rotund oak]

ye u are both gonna die to adds

repeatedly

😄

did a fall just now

[storm forum]

im sure its fine

2 sin rogues hitting the lietenants

[runic hinge]

I’ve never died

[storm forum]

bolstering not an issue

right?

RIGHT???

[runic hinge]

Two dm’s and 2 kbs is 2 very dead mobs

[rotund oak]

fort random dmg oneshots

[runic hinge]

It’s just a 20

[rotund oak]

we ended with 32deaths

mine was a 20 as well

[storm forum]

where're the krill issue gifs?

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[storm forum]

jesus

i look up krill and the first 4 are suicide encouragement idk how i didnt see that coming

[runic hinge]

Yeah, I always make sure I tap the right one

[rotund oak]

but in all,dont take a DK tank boys

made my eyes roll backwards

[runic hinge]

Don’t wanna get filtered

[storm forum]

yeah i hope the automod catches that

[royal lantern]

if you play no dust, you dont play sub 🙂

[runic hinge]

That’s true

[royal lantern]

the 2fights where sub has a bigger adventage

is because of that cursed shit talent

[storm forum]

wait whats the second one?

[royal lantern]

smoldy by far, tindral too some degree

[storm forum]

ok, i thought tindral was a "has symbols for every root set" diff

i guess the dust CDR helps with that

[royal lantern]

sub does the same boss dmg then a assa that has externals, while at the same time having a flexible dmg pattern, can obliterate roots and shield

🙂

assa op btw

[agile geode]

It Is so much worth playin sub on smoldy than sin?

[storm forum]

i might play sin cause i have 0 confidence in my ability to play sub

but im at least going to try sub

[agile geode]

I like sub but i like sin more

[storm forum]

if i do like 50% less damage playing sub than sin, i will stick to sin

[royal lantern]

yes

[blazing jewel]

buff sub

[royal lantern]

sadly yes

[royal lantern]

keep yourself save

[storm forum]

cause im pretty sure a purple sin is better than a grey sub

[royal lantern]

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

on smoldy?

no

[runic hinge]

I blue parsed normal smold this week as sub and then I green parsed our first kill on heroic right after(our tanks killed after enrage)

[bronze echo]

whats good about sub on smolderon?

[blazing jewel]

it looks cooler

[storm forum]

dust lets you have CDs for every damage amp

[royal lantern]

big cds on every single intermission

[bronze echo]

ah makes sense, both our rogues still play assas

[proper laurel]

Morning, is augury good option for assa ?

[blazing jewel]

also lets you have cloak for every intermission

[storm forum]

ok now im interested

[rotund oak]

sub basicly doesnt care for clos or sprint or steps

dust tech too strong

stay mad dust haters

lul

[strange python]

this other rogue in my group has ran fall over 60 times with only one dagger]

o7

[rotund oak]

thats some obsessive stuff

[slim hedge]

Had sod all luck doing lower Falls, soon as I started pushing higher falls I got mine. Like 24 falls first dagger

The correlation must be more than coincidence. Push 29s for guaranteed daggers

[storm forum]

🤔

[strange python]

okay maybe i try that then

[royal lantern]

that guy officaly beat me

took 53 for 1dagger and i wont go for a 2nd

i respect their insanity

🫡

[rotund oak]

im like close to 30 runs and got sandglass

[strange python]

they did like 70k more dps overall than me

[rotund oak]

idgaf tbh anymore

[strange python]

with only 2ilvl up

[fervent sundial]

Hey can i get some help with looking at some logs to see what i'm doing wrong

i got forcced by my guild to rr my sin to a main and my brain is like

fucked trying to figure out why my other rogue just does more damage than me

[strange python]

all ur damage is in KB

took me too long to learn that

[storm forum]

is wowanalyzer updated yet?

[royal lantern]

tell your guild too suck a big one is the first step

[royal lantern]

iirc no

[rotund oak]

try whispyr's guides on youtube

[storm forum]

rip

[rotund oak]

it will help

[fervent sundial]

It's play rogue or bench myself

[strange python]

my first raid lead literally called me slurs for wanting to play feral in SL

[fervent sundial]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/NXxYTkHpDF6mahLv/self#fight=80,80&source=248,243

[slim hedge]

One thing I can say is, soloing the last damage amp on Irridikron feels good. Am I right?

[storm forum]

if you've already read the guides/watched the vids, ig i could look, im not doing anything rn

[strange python]

i was an outlaw player at that time

[fervent sundial]

Could you? I'd appreciate it

Looking at the compare here they have double envenom damage for some reason

where the rest is comparable

[strange python]

do you ahve tier?

[fervent sundial]

I have tier yes

[strange python]

huh

[fervent sundial]

they get pi i don't

other than that i have no idea

[feral mason]

my vault streak on my rogue might be the luckiest thing ever bro i cant lie

[rotund oak]

only by looking at it u lose like by 5mil on envenoms,ur kbs are almost the same

[strange python]

I can only guess sadly, I dont know enough about this game

[feral mason]

489 branch, 489 hourglass, 489 nick and now 489 tier shoulders with leech

[fervent sundial]

They have a 489 weapon i'm running double 483 nicks

[uneven bronze]

bruh

[rotund oak]

once again,try whispyrs guides

[short lake]

Hey guys

i was wondering whats this week build

[runic hinge]

Same as last weeks

[feral mason]

alt gearing

[short lake]

i know tyranicall was with blindside

[feral mason]

fortified bolstering

[short lake]

no changes? BMQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsRSkkIBAAAAAAIlkItkAAAAAAAtWSCSgkkSKBJRSkkEJRpViEA

[rotund oak]

sudden demise this time around i think

u dont rly need arterial precision

for enrage

but ppl play it

[short lake]

what do u recomment?

can u send build

[rotund oak]

whatever u feel more comfortable with

[feral mason]

not raging anymore

[rotund oak]

ye thats what i said my man 🙂

[royal lantern]

raging was never your job anyway lol

affix is a joke

[feral mason]

ye

[royal lantern]

if its a problem, you get a class that can actually counter it

aka hunter/druid/evoker

[royal python]

Does sudden demise account for crit chance in its computation

[rotund oak]

u mean arterial precision doesnt counter 5 mobs raging?

idk what thats supposed to mean but ok 😛

[feral mason]

he means aug exists

[short lake]

i saw some rogues played with crimson tempest plus poison bomb

[feral mason]

and even if it didnt raging barely matters

[rotund oak]

u do what u can,if the group can handle sure,play whatever

i wouldnt trust others

in pugs for all that matters^^

[bronze echo]

many assas used cleave last week, is it just cus adds die too fast? whats the most used m+ build normally? arterial shock?

[royal lantern]

i dont even trust myself

[rotund oak]

thats my man 👌

[bronze echo]

also i've gotten used to m+ hybrid build, is it worse then shock?

[strange python]

trust is for the weak

jsut ball

we ball

[terse sundial]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[feral mason]

Doesnt matter that much

Hybrid just moves st dmg to aoe and arterial vice versa

[royal lantern]

they play the same lol

[feral mason]

if trash dies too fast in your keys you should play ap

[strange python]

wait assa worst now??

or did i read sheet wrong

[feral mason]

Was always like that

[strange python]

like in ST too tho

[feral mason]

Nothing has changed in the sheet front

yes

[short lake]

tbh dunno what build i should play ...if we playing same build as prev week

[strange python]

wat

why is everyone on assa

[short lake]

am currently use this BMQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsRSkkIBAAAAAAIlkItkAAAAAAAtWSCSgkkSKBJRSkkEJRpViEA

[feral mason]

Assa was the worst simming ST spec prior to patch releasing as well

[strange python]

ah, is it just a sim thing?

[feral mason]

sims dont account for cleave, pi scaling, aug, etc

[strange python]

ahh

ohhh right, forgot teh 2min cds is a huge thing

[royal lantern]

balanced around extesnals 🙂 🙂 🙂

[feral mason]

regardless sin isnt the best rogue spec rn

aug hooks just make it seem that way

best on council ill give em that though

[grim jay]

So you do know

Hooks got fixed

Except sanguine

Yes?

Unless they refucked them since then, there shouldnt be an issue

[feral mason]

idfk i dont keep my eyes on wowhead news

If i gotta believe the stuff thats been said everywhere the last 3 days they’re still turbo fucked

[red wolf]

https://gist.github.com/ljosberinn/a2f08a53cfe8632a18350eea44e9da3e#rogue

[grim jay]

Yeah so they are fine since you dont play sudden demise usually anyways

And its just the execute

Sanguine aint huge either

[round belfry]

So im crafting two daggers for Assasin, and i see the best stats are "Agility > Mastery >= Critical Strike = Haste >" should i make one dagger mastery +crit and one Haste mastery?

[grim jay]

You should make no dagger at all

To begin with

[short lake]

i went for boots and waist

[harsh galleon]

Can anyone help me with my stat weights sim tell me stack mastery sitting at 17% haste 66% mastery and 42% crit 7% verse feel like I should have less mastery ?

[short lake]

so i can go cr on wrists

[grim jay]

And even if you were to craft dagger, you would only craft one

[royal lantern]

i always like that disc melee hits are part of it, cus it creates so many questions

who noticed that

how did they notice it

why was the disc doing melee hits

why is it ONLY disc melee hits

[short lake]

no value for weapons at this point of game if u had like 4 shards then ok

[royal lantern]

sanguine can be big, wdym

[grim jay]

Mw melee are/were fucked aswell

[round belfry]

my daggers are 441 from last season i am a blacksmith so i can make daggers much higher so im gonna make them, but id really like some help with the stats for the two of them

[short lake]

crit mastery probably

[feral mason]

nah

[short lake]

but not reccomended

[round belfry]

Thank you jessie

[short lake]

ill go for embelishments bro

get boots and wrist or waist ...depends if u want that cr th o

[grim jay]

Then 2 are still wasted because offhand sucks and getting stuff crafted is like 6k on 486

[short lake]

and also sky

[grim jay]

So being blacksmith isnt really a reason

[short lake]

we play with daggers from dawn

with the timestrike

so i would advice u to go for embe's

[grim jay]

486 crafted is worse then 483 nick ye

[unreal junco]

probably

[short lake]

btw shall i play the HYBRID build this week ?

[worldly plank]

you should play what u want and what fits your playstyle

[harsh galleon]

Anyone see my post above ?

[grim jay]

You should still play the one you prefer. Difference is marginal

[short lake]

or shall i stay on arterial

hmmm never tryed hybrid tbh

[analog path]

Hey guys. Ever since I started learning Assass rogue, I played the cleave build in M+ (No crimson tempest) and for the burst I use DM, Shiv and a macro where Shadow Dance and Kingsbane are casted with 1 button. Is having this macro ok?

[grim jay]

You usually get ignored for stat stuff. Stat weight sims are cursed and you should never do them

You just topgear sim your gear

[harsh galleon]

What I’m doing but when I check logs of top rogues I’m high on mastery around 5700

Sims is so wacky I can do the same exact gear twice and each time says switch gem/enchants so it hard to lock in and focus on what I need to aim for

[grim jay]

Well those people arent exactly you. If you get higher ilvl with different stats, even if for that character the secondaries would be worse, you will prolly equip ilvl. Also trinkets have an impact, like branch vs ashes

[grim jay]

Thats probably because they are withing margin of error

So it doesnt matter which one you go for really

[analog path]

In AOE with 5-6-7-8 mobs, do you switch target when applying dots using indiscriminate carnage or you apply the dots on the same target twice and then go for envenoms+kingsbane?

[safe wigeon]

guys i killed all raid bosses last week but i get 36 echoed what should i do?

[serene basin]

You should really just sim your top gear or run a droptimizer, setting everything maxed out

[worldly plank]

Guys, is pips emerald friendship bandge worth to pick? it sims +483 dps... btw got no brench until now

[grim jay]

Hope that you can still reach 50

Or just be behind

[serene basin]

Yeah, pips a great statstick

[storm hedge]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[grim jay]

Depends on what you compare it to

[storm hedge]

done 2 lfr bosses today and got +13 echoed ephemera

dont worry you can easily do the quest

[kindred flower]

how much haste should I aim to have? because im at 29% now and it does seem a bit high XD

[serene basin]

Considering he just said it's a plus 483 dps, ita better than what he have

[serene basin]

Sim yourself

[gloomy dust]

Any good vault enjoyers in the chat?

[grim jay]

So Pips cant be +483 while something else in his vault is +1200 or something.

[serene basin]

Surely, but if that's the case he wouldn't even bother to ask it in here

[grim jay]

Well

People do

A lot of them

Actually

[grim jay]

Its raining daggers today somehow

[serene basin]

[stable void]

Man i still cant get that fkn dagger.......

[runic hinge]

I’m pretending I don’t care about it so maybe I’ll get one

[grim jay]

It is what it is. There frequently are questions like "xy sims higher, but I could choose Pips", sometimes even if Pips sims lower than their current stuff

[serene basin]

Try simming other stats on your enchants and stuff, that gives you a direction

[grim jay]

Tried and didnt work in the last years

[stable void]

KEK

[pliant remnant]

I did this today by opening vault as Outlaw to get Thorncaller's Claw

so now I'm getting the dagger in next week's vault

[serene basin]

I really like to use 2 passive trinkets if the dmg difference is minimal

[storm forum]

Ok, so specifically for envenoms, you have 9 less casts of it, 3 less per minute. I think this is because you're wasting CP and ambush casts. Regarding wasting CP, you wasted 10 more CP than the other guy, which only accounts for 2 missed envs, which is still significant.

Regarding ambush, outside of DM-Kingsbane, where we're flooded on energy, ambush should be cast whenever possible. Juzr gained 29 more CP than you from ambush/mut casts. That's ~6 more envs missed. Ambush gives us more CP on average due to giving us 3 CP without a crit, so its better during our non-DM Dance/KB window. If you can't be bothered with extra keybinds, it's better to cast ambush whenever possible rather than mutilate whenever possible, and people usually have ambush on their stealth bar, or a macro that swaps based on their stance.

Lastly, your tea usage could use some work. Tea is best used when the mastery effect can be taken advantage of, which is during our CDs and when we're chaining envs. Besides the last 6 seconds of each KB window, I like to use it during execute, either earlier in the windows while im spamming env, or between CDs when I'm chaning env and don't want to start pooling yet. This is especially useful during non-KB DMs if I did not pool well before it. You have a couple tea uses where you use it right before refreshing DoTs which might have been okay to prevent them from dropping, but that's a bandaid fix to poor planning. Don't be afraid to just pool and don't do anything. It's part of the spec now.

[serene basin]

Holy f****

[runic hinge]

I have a 476 but I crafted a dagger with third spark because I have no faith I’ll see one

[serene basin]

We got a bible

[storm forum]

this is why the mods usually make a thread if theyre around

[indigo mulch]

hourglass(m+ sin) or twisted blades (for outlaw)

:C

[storm forum]

im always taking hourglass

long live hourglass

[runic hinge]

Same

[unreal junco]

same

[runic hinge]

Kinda like that trinket

[unreal junco]

bandolier comes from the second boss

[storm forum]

haste for the haste gods

[unreal junco]

so ez to farm

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/imostergolfra-gif-25274972

[serene basin]

If you're low on haste, take hourglass

[stable void]

Guys is it worth it to craft a neck ? mine is 463 and i dont have good luck with my bis necks :/

[fervent sundial]

Thanks

[indigo mulch]

I have my bis trinkets already. ;s i'm only missing mythic neck from tindral and ring from the second dude ;C

[grim jay]

Tbf the only slots I'd craft on after the embellishments would be rings for now bcs of free socket

[runic hinge]

Mine is also 463. But I got that flame neck

[grim jay]

Socket > most stuff

[storm forum]

one of these days im going to get around to simming all the crafted pieces

maybe ill do it now

[runic hinge]

It wasn’t bad tbf

[storm forum]

no problem, let us know if you have any other questions

[runic hinge]

Because it counts them as vault pieces so the combos aren’t really that high

[fervent sundial]

I also had deadly poision tick break my add on larodar

the cc was broken cause it got posioned

[runic hinge]

Crit/mast dagger was 3300 dps and a ring was 1200 so that was an easy decision

[fervent sundial]

is that just a "get fucked dude" or what's up

[storm forum]

i actually have no idea

im never asked to CC adds

[fervent sundial]

Cause I all i did was sprint>blind> SS back to boss

[grim jay]

Did you compare it to 483 nick tho

I myself usually only compare it to the easily achievable stuff

If I sim

[runic hinge]

No because I don’t have one

[grim jay]

But you can farm one

[runic hinge]

And I don’t really wanna burn myself out running 50 GF’s

For 1% dps

[grim jay]

Just loot them

[runic hinge]

In the first 3 weeks of the season

[grim jay]

Wdym

[stable void]

that fkn emote bro hahaha

[storm forum]

[grim jay]

I think on average most people dont even need 50 runs

Believe in your luck

[runic hinge]

I’ve run it 17 times lol I am trying!

[stable void]

I have run that duengon 30+ still no dagger

[runic hinge]

I’m just not like trying to spam it

[grim jay]

36 and I got 2 daggers, 1 sandglass and more legs and hands than I can count

[runic hinge]

My key is fall right now. I’ll be in there soon

[grim jay]

[storm forum]

ive only done like 20-30 Falls and i kinda dont care anymore. i got a normal ilvl one from a 9 week 1 and i think im just going to be okay with it.

[rotund oak]

sandglass anyday of the week

[runic hinge]

That’s where I’m at too

Ran 17 of them, have a champ level, don’t care until I see one in my vault the week after we’re done with the raid

[storm forum]

oh noooooo

i just realized i was running council build all night on nymue prog

sorry team

[runic hinge]

I did the same two weeks ago

[digital pollen]

spiked counterweight is still ass even after the buffs right?

[runic hinge]

We killed her last pull of the night and I was like oh shit I had ic for this whole thing

[feral mason]

asked them to bench me every time for council

[runic hinge]

I like being a duck. I’ll run around and try and get ducked for fun

[feral mason]

so i cant make that mistake (and don’t have to play council, bitch ass pip bird i am going to slap you fuck you)

[grim jay]

There is a tactic where one player is a duck nearly all the time. Maybe thats something for you

[storm forum]

my guild people fought to get ducked

the warlocks won the roll

[runic hinge]

I’m just aotc andy so it’s not a big deal if I am constantly a duck

[feral mason]

[runic hinge]

I’m thinking about trying to have fun with bonespike this week tho so maybe slightly less ducking

[storm forum]

oh shit theres a droptimizer for crafted items lets goooo

[royal lantern]

@keen spruce the real strat

https://tenor.com/view/duck-ducky-exercise-walking-cute-gif-17245457

[runic hinge]

There is but the unfortunate part is you can only do 1 set of secondaries at a time

[storm forum]

thats fine

[royal lantern]

can also do gear compare and manualy insert them

[storm forum]

im not crafting anything without haste

damn, +1.1% dps for crafting a ring

too bad i dont have money for that

[runic hinge]

Ring is like the cheapest

Oh wait you spent all your money on an augment rune

[storm forum]

bro i had to get my augment rune subsidized

liquid needs to pay me quick

[grim jay]

Id craft it for free, but...

[storm forum]

thanks for the offer

but its kinda of funny to complain about

[spark falcon]

fellas, anyone know why people are running embersoul over branch in m+ rn?

[sour rose]

easier to control?

[kind forge]

Maybe they don’t have branch ?

[spark falcon]

ive seen some ppls logs before and theyve had hero branch

but theyve changed it for this week

i feel like this been more consistent but i cant tell on dps

[grim jay]

Because they dont wanna deal with branch

[spark falcon]

real

[grim jay]

Thats the only reason

[burnt dawn]

hello! which deadly poison goes on first?

[runic hinge]

Order does not matter

[sour rose]

im kind of struggling right now with trinkets too. ive got 483 embersoul + 483 sandglass. theres a 489 branch in my vault but im not sure if i should take it. i know on bloodmallet the 2 on use (branch + embersoul) sims best, but im not sure how it would play in the long run with double on-use..especially with the staggered buff of branch

anyone got any tips about their usage - if i even should replace the passive?

like macros / timings etc

[spark falcon]

ive had good success so far with embersoul/sandglass m+

and using branch/cata on raid

[sour rose]

im only playing assa for raid

[spark falcon]

feels consistent and dont have to juggle 2 cd trinkets plus lines up perfect with KB

deathmark*

[runic hinge]

Double on use isn’t that good for sin because the non dm kb isn’t that good

[grim jay]

You dont use double on use

And it doesnt sim best

Its really meh actually

[spark falcon]

yeah its never shown best sim for me with those trinks tbh

one or the other

[sour rose]

i meant sims best as in bloodmallet lists the two as the top trinkets

not as in a quicksim itself

[grim jay]

Bloodmallet does independent sims, the top 2 arent necessarily the best combo

[sour rose]

obviously

ive only guessed the big gaps with other trinkets would overlap in damage

so i'd be better off with either a branch or an embersoul + sandglass / pip's im guessing? for singletarget

[grim jay]

You would want to go use + passive, if you go branch or ashes depends on if you feel fine with the orbs. After that its Signet for 5 min+ fights or either sandglass or Pips for most people, yes

Sandglass and Pips offering different stats also means that it depends on your gear as to which sims better

Pips most likely atleast better on aoe tho

[sour rose]

well then im fucked 😂 got a hero track signet in the vault too

[grim jay]

That comes back to if you wanna deal with branch. I personally use branch

[sour rose]

and how do you deal with the delayed buff? its 5 seconds right? just use another keybind for it and use it before big cds? for movement ive read its not really a big deal to play with the orbs since as a melee you move around pretty much anyway and it comes on staggered

[woeful hollow]

!fu

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

You macro branch to DM, pick up the 2 orbs in the front asap and only delay picking up the 3rd

If you move correctly you might aswell stand still after picking up the 2nd and let the 3rd come to you naturally

[sour rose]

so the 5 seconds is only correct if you let all 3 come to you and standing still

if you pick up the 2 infront the buff comes on with 2 stacks, right

makes sense, hmm

[grim jay]

Standing still isnt good, you could just play ashes then tbf

[sour rose]

ye ofc

[chilly bear]

Spiked counterweight anygood after buffs or still trash?

[balmy condor]

trash

[weary pier]

how big is helm enchant?

[rotund oak]

Love the new yt guides mr whispyr 👌

u own

[balmy condor]

between 1.5 and 2%, sim yourself

[balmy condor]

thank you

[chilly bear]

thanks for answering that fast mister

[weary pier]

chad whispyr

[rotund oak]

if u have followed whispyrs work since beta u would understand why everything he says is factual

there is not a SINGLE thing he said or wrote

thats wrong

NONE

[hidden inlet]

are u guys still taking CT? it's barely an increase for me on AOE in sims

[weary pier]

i dont personally

[hidden inlet]

its also delaying your already slow damage by 1 more CP cycle

[solid mica]

Has t31 been resimmed specifically tight spender vs improved ambush whisp?

[hidden inlet]

thanks happy to see more people ditching CT, i raised this a while back and it seemed like everyone was taking CT

[balmy condor]

nope

can't be fucked resimming for 0.2% difference

[solid mica]

Ive found it to be like 1.5-2k personally but was jw thx

[royal lantern]

just like me fr

[grim jay]

[grim jay]

Its just a different playstyle

Its not like ct is bad

[static glacier]

why all the ct hate

it does what it says on the box

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/jiggy-cat-groove-dance-gif-12593702160723550811

[static glacier]

we out here using first catalyst charge of the patch

[clever sapphire]

I used up 2 as soon as it came to get 4set

[static glacier]

I held incase of vault

and it actually wasn't needed since vault gave an item already as tier

[bleak sun]

erk vault but i can replace 460 legs to 489 token

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/du9puaLCyPvhDKBByuKNBi

it seems fine

[hard plaza]

hmm, Heroic pips trinket (currently have witherbark and serpant one) or catalyst myth track gloves. I wont ever do mythic raiding so only way to get myth track is through vault..

[winter gale]

Guys, I sit @ 5% Versa. I guess it's a bit too low as most of the items droptimizer suggest are Versa heavy?

[grim jay]

Imagine not having 4p first week on saturday
Smh my head

[hearty sundial]

are the rogue builds out of date? I'm looking at top sin players on r.io and they aint playing what the sites are saying

[round cave]

The two poisons yourun are deadly and amp, right? Deadly is just better than instant?

[grim jay]

If sim says vers item, you go vers item

[winter gale]

Y

[grim jay]

If "the sites" arent wowhead then look at wowhead.

[blazing jewel]

There are also 300 sin m+ builds

[grim jay]

Think the damage difference is even apparent on the tooltip

[grim jay]

My vaults, one neck aside, were all tier pieces

[burnt dawn]

do i macro branch with KB or DM?

[grim jay]

Raid doesnt like zenith tho, so I guess its fine

[grim jay]

Dm

[bleak sun]

with DM

[burnt dawn]

thankyou!

[normal mist]

Which sites?

[glacial beacon]

Hey, wich buff is the best with Igira's dagger ?

[drifting cloud]

mech

[grim jay]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[glacial beacon]

thanks !

[grim jay]

Some like mecha some like beast

I personally would go beast

[glacial beacon]

Critter seems the best 😉

thanks all, im gonna try both (mech / beast)

[royal lantern]

fall dmg is pog

honestly wanna know how much a panda rogue with beast buff can fall now

[pseudo hamlet]

I am going with dragonkin for 10% movement and mount speed, which is awesome!

[minor gate]

yay?

[normal mist]

What does sim says?

[wide sand]

Can we request more CPU from raidbot? Sin sims take fookin ages 😄

[minor gate]

sandglass

[normal mist]

Sandglass it is

Mine at 483

[minor gate]

im stacking haste at this point though

[static glacier]

sandglass is pretty damn good tbh

[minor gate]

compaired to last week this vault is much better

[static glacier]

can we earn echoed ephmera from raidfinder?

[normal mist]

I was wondering the same

Wanted to prog fyrakk HC with it

(the enchant)

[static glacier]

im queing for rf right now

would like to have it for prog too

[normal mist]

Let us know champ

[lament raptor]

my guildies say yes

they got 5 per LFR boss

[normal mist]

So only 1 wing needed

[static glacier]

I got 4 from smolderon hc just now

[lament raptor]

my guildie was at 37 start of today did 1 wing and was done

[static glacier]

I wonder if wcl won't have a partition

helm release represents a pretty substantial power gain

[grim jay]

Not sure if I would call it substantial.

Its like the difference between a good vault and a bad vault early on

[static glacier]

might be cooked memory but I swear it does like 5-6%

of ur damage

this was on ptr though

[grim jay]

And most people have the chance to get it before mainraid

Its 1.5-2

[static glacier]

ah nvm then fake

did it get nerfed or was it turbo bugged on ptr like everything else

I remember thorncaller claw doing 16% of your dmg as outlaw

[static glacier]

can confirm lfr drops it

[grim jay]

Im pretty sure normal pugs are faster than lfr

Queuetime + higher killtime in lfr

[static glacier]

but lfr transmogs tho

[normal mist]

There's nothing like rolling on an item 30 ilvl lower than yours

(I had bad luck on my Alts doing LFR ok?)

[jaunty phoenix]

pips or porcelain crab 489? i play sub too

[normal mist]

Sim

That's your better answer my man

[jaunty phoenix]

sims are not everything tho

[grim jay]

If you just ask something thats about numbers

They kinda are

[jaunty phoenix]

u know in s2 id take pip cause rogue was generally sustained dmg

now we are 2min cd clsas and pips

i feel has less value

[limber monolith]

Quick question: Buzzing or Hissing runes for Assa?

[terse orchid]

Buzzing because I still have like 300 on me

[limber monolith]

Wowhead says Hissing and icy veins says buzzing

[normal mist]

I use hissing because I bought a lot of them. I should be using crit from what sim says

[royal lantern]

[limber monolith]

Awesome thanks!

[grim jay]

Wowhead > icy veins

[terse orchid]

Are you nega-me?

[balmy condor]

you know what's great at determining the value of things alongside 2 min cooldowns and sustain damage?

[limber monolith]

Thought both were written by Whispyr though

[terse orchid]

Feelycraft

[storm forum]

whispyr no

dont do it

[normal mist]

He's doing it

[balmy condor]

I do not write the icyveins guide

[limber monolith]

Ah cool, thanks for clarifying!

[grim jay]

Seli writes the IV one
Icy veins is meh as a site tho.

[storm forum]

i was expecting whispyr to hit him with the

[grim jay]

Whispyr is constantly updating his guide

[balmy condor]

as basically sole theorycrafter on this forlorn spec, I do give seli a lot of information for his guide

[normal mist]

Yes

[terse orchid]

Real talk: am I getting mediocre parses because a) im bad B) I rarely get PI, never get augvoker and other good raid buffs c) my weapons aren't great d) actually good players play sin now or e) all of the above?

[balmy condor]

and we try to be consistent within a certain degree

[jaunty phoenix]

i tihnk pipsp really good in m+ less so maybe in raid

[slow marsh]

Whispyr is lord just do what he says

[grim jay]

You got our absolutely cooked ideas tho

[balmy condor]

A, B slightly compounding on how bad the situation is, C to a meh extent, D doesn't make any sense

[grim jay]

Probably a mix and the overall performance of your guild added in aswell

[terse orchid]

Guild? 😢

I'm just pugging with morons

[grim jay]

Yeah rip

[normal mist]

I'm also at an 70/75 overall parses in heroic still, hopefully will get better when we redo everything

[terse orchid]

I'll be top dps on every fight and then look at logs and it's like "oh nice, blue instead of green"

Meanwhile back in nyalotha it was orange parses everytime I topped 😭

[grim jay]

D is important. We need praise

[royal lantern]

D?

😳

the brainrot kicks hard again

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/you-plus-me-equals-bang-go-to-bed-i-like-that-gif-15404190

[terse orchid]

@balmy condor i couldn't find the answer anywhere but do you know if Spatter has a feedback loop where if you have it up on two targets then the splash damage from A to B will cause B to splash a bit of it back to A?

If so, is it worth it to go for some crackhead shit in aoe where you spread spatters

[grim jay]

The answer to that question is immediately there for you if you try it

[normal mist]

You can't spread spatters

[terse orchid]

I would if I was at my pc instead of work

[normal mist]

Limit is 1 target

[grim jay]

Feel you

[royal lantern]

read splatter again

[slim hedge]

The real question coming from the tyran last week is, why doesn't cloak work on cinderstorm

[terse orchid]

Oh jeez I'm regarded

[royal lantern]

i sometimes hate my onnline name

[terse orchid]

You should try an change it

[royal lantern]

cus i read that question and thought "wait, i asked that??"

[grim jay]

Why is that, tyrant?

[terse orchid]

Is that loganalyzer bot still a thing?

[royal lantern]

mate, i had like 6servers dogpile on me for changing my pfp

i dont wanna know what would happen if i change the name

[terse orchid]

Sounds like a good time

[arctic hare]

Is that counterweight thingy still pretty bad?

[royal lantern]

yes

[terse orchid]

They didn't change the damage cap so yeah

[arctic hare]

I thought as much lmao

[royal python]

Does sudden demise compute bleed damage with crit

[balmy condor]

updated soon.tm

[gaunt moat]

@royal lanternWhy you don't answer DMs 😢

[balmy condor]

I think it checks your characters crit rating as an average, but I could be wrong

[spring locust]

damn, the kazzak neck really sims only 42 dmg lower than a 480 fully socketed Chain of the Green Flight

almost fell for it in vault 😄

[grim jay]

Fell for what

[hard ether]

what are the BiS trinkets for raiding?

[grim jay]

And the 489 is still decently better then

[dark token]

gonna go neck myself

or wrist myself

[pseudo hamlet]

Why? Nice shoulders and maybe hands for catalyst?

That dagger isn't that bad also I guess

[dark token]

already have mythic shoulders

already have mythic hands

already have mythic track dagger

what do u think i took in last 3 vaults

mythic tier

now the question is do i socket my toxic patch wrist

or mythic tier helm

[pseudo hamlet]

welp, rip then I guess

[ancient kraken]

@balmy condor are there sims how much dmg you loose with branch if you pick 1/1/5 and miss the buff for the last KB tick. Maybe that convinces me to switch to ashes

[balmy condor]

#1065730164077645916 message

[pseudo hamlet]

Where can I see highest possible sims for ST and Dungeon Slice?

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[brisk lodge]

what builds are good for fortified 20+ and above keys?

[grim jay]

Yea

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

All of them on wowhead

[brisk lodge]

ty

[burnt dawn]

what does 1/1/5 mean?

[real pike]

worth taking a head for catalyst even if it needs a socket later to be an upgrade? other choices are 1.6k DPS upgrade ring or tokens

[real pike]

How many seconds after activating you collect the orbs

[robust garden]

!daggeer

Did I really

DID I REALLY

...

[grim jay]

Depends on which ring and if you raid mythic

[robust garden]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[real pike]

We're on heroic Fyrakk/mythic Igira atm, it's band of burning thorns so not bis

I'm a slacker I know

[grim jay]

I actually dont know the stats of the ring rn

[steep estuary]

Anyone have any sims with head enchant ? How much increase is it

[grim jay]

1.5-2%

[balmy condor]

1.7%

[real pike]

big haste small mast

[grim jay]

Fuck me

[balmy condor]

I was gonna say 1.5 to 2

But mobile

And wanted to save buttons

Less effort

[grim jay]

Same but fast fingers

[real pike]

now you spent even more effort typing that out

[balmy condor]

Yeah

But I made a connection

A human interaction

[real pike]

the real upgrade is the friends we made along the way

[balmy condor]

Instead of answering a basic sim question

Like a fucking Google bot

[grim jay]

Brother our connection is so strong already. I feel it all the time

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

It started way back in legion, when we spamed smash TB on CD together

[balmy condor]

We never did that

[grim jay]

Yeah I was just kidding, that was with meownar

[balmy condor]

The goat?

[grim jay]

The one and only

[balmy condor]

@shrewd night confirm?

Is meownar the goat?

[grim jay]

I need you to spread this btw #wow-general message

We all want it

We just dont know yet

[shrewd night]

[grim jay]

Actually I think there are only a couple regulars left from back then

Did you hang around before or after regularly?

[balmy condor]

Me

(I only lurked in legion)

[grim jay]

Yeah, you typed every now and then. Else I only really remember tryan and meownar. Weak was pretty active

Oh and notter

[storm cloak]

How do some people get like 1.4 m ticks with kings bane? Is there a specific order to use it on?

Was in a random pug and a rogue did 284 k on the snake. Was wild

[grim jay]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[storm cloak]

Thank you

[violet hollow]

That works for me I guess

[storm cloak]

I’m trying to get KSM on every toon. It’s time for rogue

[royal lantern]

was also a legion lurker

[grim jay]

I already mentioned you

[royal lantern]

just opened channel

[grim jay]

It was a fun time

[real pike]

What are you guys spending dragon isle supplies on? anything worth for more deeps or just cosmetic funtimes?

[limber lion]

No

Cosmetic fluff

[grim jay]

Everyone knows a good tmog is atleast 10% dps.
So cosmetics = dps

[limber lion]

That explains a lot

I was a blood elf with a sick tmog in Sepulcher

and now I'm a Tauren with a random tmog

no wonder I do 0 dps nowadays smh

[real pike]

that must be why my damage is so bad, everything transmogged to hidden

[grim jay]

See, proof is everywhere

[hot fulcrum]

Dropped Mydas 470. I still have a dragonbomb from s2 😢 so Mydas sims better.
Is there any best approach on how to wear and forget about usage? My 1st idea was to macro it into Garrot the same way as I did with bombs last season.
But probably there is a better idea on that (don't like to press it using separate button with this strange CD time 1:30)

[real pike]

Become a troll then macro it to Berserking?

[grim jay]

Macro it to envenom.

[limber lion]

Yeah literally macro it to any button, it super doesn't matter with that trinket

Mutilate, Garrote, Envenom, doesn't matter

[hot fulcrum]

Hmm. Envenom seems better then garrot just because it's possible that cd will drop right after garrot apply. So yeah, I should keep calm when I see "item is not ready yet" on each envenom))

[limber lion]

Or just Mutilate

[hot fulcrum]

With mutilate I'll see even more "item not ready")) So I'll go with envenom I guess. Or I should simply farm more EB for branch)))

Ty all

[grim jay]

You can disable that notification, no?

[hot fulcrum]

What if I'll miss smth interesting? 🙂

[limber lion]

You can, but I personally enjoy having it

Like whenever you try to shadowstep something and it says out of range

or if tricks fails

[grim jay]

Personal preference, ye

[royal lantern]

you have it active for informations

i have it active because i wana hear my characters voice

we are not the same

[halcyon hamlet]

Cataclysmic Signey Brand is horrible for m+, keeps breaking me out of stealth before a pull

[shy axle]

is there like a catchup for the head enchant? I did all bosses but only got 38, some got 40

[sturdy mesa]

you will loot 3 pr boss until u cap it out

[shy axle]

thank you

[vast shuttle]

can i get more sockets on my helmet?

[plush tusk]

more than one?

only on necks mate

[vast shuttle]

ah ok

can u put gems in a socket?

[royal lantern]

? thazs what sockets do lol

[hollow girder]

So which spec is the go to for m+ and raids rn? im curious

[real pike]

BM hunter

I miss coloured sockets 😦

[real pike]

serious answer is Sin seems to be performing highest but I like Outlaw for lower level keys where you don't really have time to ramp up damage

[plush tusk]

most of the time you didn't care about the color anyways 😄

[real pike]

Just a wall of Arpen in late stage wotlk 😄

[hollow girder]

sin? u mean sub?

[real pike]

No, AssasSINation

[plush tusk]

reforging was great tho haha

[hollow girder]

oh so assa is the top? i thought sub is tbh.. when did assa perform higher

[real pike]

Since 10.2 pretty much

[hollow girder]

Oh.. i have to give it a try!

[limber lion]

Well not quite true

Outlaw is still the king of Mythic+

[brisk lodge]

isnt outlaw preforming better in m+ overall?

[limber lion]

And Assassination only performs better than Sub/Outlaw with PI/Aug

[real pike]

Even on higher keys?

[limber lion]

Especially on higher keys

[real pike]

😮

spreading misinformation

[limber lion]

This is what it looks like on 25+ keys

[hot fulcrum]

had 40. To day from lfr took 4-5 per boss (at least for last bosses). GF had 39 but also 3 lfr bosses and it's 50 now

[limber lion]

With the bigger column being Outlaw and smaller one being Assa

[real pike]

TIL

[hollow girder]

As for raids, assa is top then? or does outlaw perform badly

[real pike]

I'm gonna be contentious and say you should try them all and play what feels best for you...none are complete trash and you'll probably perform better with a spec you 'click' with

[plush tusk]

all 3 specs are fine

[real pike]

I played sub all of 10.1 cause it was performing best and I sucked balls because I hate how it plays

[limber lion]

Yeh all of them are good

Play the one you like the most

[subtle tundra]

Idk why people suddenly thought assa was better than outlaw in m+

Assa still has many drawbacks compared to outlaw

[plush tusk]

i stopped playing outlaw because of bug causing between the eyes going on cd

unless you wanna push for title play whatever you like 😄

[subtle tundra]

Even if you push for title play what you like

If you push for world first keys, play meta

[plush tusk]

it's hilarious how people are following meta in weekly 20s and shit like that. "Only Augmenation" haha

[daring mason]

Hello guys, im new to assa rogue. Is it a big dmg loss if i cant play very well around shadowdance?

[plush tusk]

literally just use it with kingsbane

and use empowered garrote 😄

[daring mason]

To line up my cds and holding my dots is fine, especially in pandemic windows, but i dont really know how or when to use it

So deathmark, kingsbane, shadow dance, garrot

?

Shadowdance and vanish have like „the same“ function in our rotation, or am i wrong?

[royal lantern]

macro dance with Kingsbane and thats it

[plush tusk]

you have 2 different burst windows

[long flare]

death, shiv, shadowdance+kb, garrote

[plush tusk]

a big one with deathmark and vanish ( both 2mins)

and a small one with kingsbane and dance (one minute)

[daring mason]

So i can macro desthmark with vanish and kingsbane with shadowdance?

[plush tusk]

naaa

u want to use vanish for the last 3 seconds of kb

since you wanna buff the hardest ticks of it

[daring mason]

Why do i shiv before kingsbane? I thought i use shiv to get more uptime of kingsbane?

[limber lion]

Would highly recommend that you read through the basic rotation guides for now

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[limber lion]

These are very basic questions that are all answered in the guides

Recommend the Wowhead one personally.

[daring mason]

I read wowhead icyveins and method.gg and it doesn’t felt familiar atm

[limber lion]

I don't think you did

Should probably read through the rotation part with more thought

You'll get it, just need to practice a bit

Don't worry

[plush tusk]

or watch daddy whispyrs youtube videos if you don't wanna read 😄

[arctic socket]

“Daddy whispyr”

[daring mason]

My only problem is to use shadowdance correctly, my vanish will be used between 6-5 seconds before kb ends

[long flare]

you can macro sd + kb, but not dm + vanish

[daring mason]

Alright

So i really just use sd for my kb window ?

[plush tusk]

yes

[daring mason]

And shiv also just for reducing rage or empower the duration of kb

[plush tusk]

empower kb u mean

[arctic socket]

The things you’re are asking is mention on wowhead

[daring mason]

Uhm yeah im sorry

[long flare]

always in pair with kb, 1 shiv before combo, 2nd with tea near 6sec of remaining kb. read opener on wowhead, there are all information

[daring mason]

Okay you all recommend wowhead, than i will train a bit on the dummies before going into raid an m+

Ty all

[normal mist]

[arctic socket]

I wonder how much damage I lose for not pressing vanish those last 3 seconds

Just crit I guess

[plush tusk]

i mean sometimes 0

[normal mist]

I mean you can garrote on that vanish right? Or big no?

[lucid rain]

dunno if it's optimal but I usually make either the 1st or 2nd gcd garrote out of vanish, and rupture as the 3rd gcd

[plush tusk]

when do use vanish instead?:D

[limber lion]

Always Garry

Only Ruppy if Ruppy in pandemic

[normal mist]

Doing it right then

[arctic socket]

3 seconds before empowered garrote ends Lmao

[plush tusk]

yikes

[normal mist]

Yesterday progging (and killing) tswift was a blast, I was looking forward for Roots hehehe

But 3 warlocks not letting me pump harder :C

[severe finch]

hey which build is best for this week in m+ the funnel build without crimson or the hypbrid build with crimson

and could u tell me whats best to sim for m+ like 5 targets 40 sec or dungonslice or whatever. my sims always tell me go max crit but all high players go more mastery

[plush tusk]

i give u a tip

dont ask anything stats related here xD

[limber lion]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[severe finch]

ok thx

[storm cloak]

Is the 4P piece pretty good

[arctic socket]

Yes

[storm cloak]

Sweet

[arctic socket]

It’s kinda like

Impossible by now not to have it

[storm cloak]

I just hit 70 on Monday

Don’t wanna catalyst low pieces

[normal mist]

Fair

[arctic socket]

I mean 476 pieces aren’t that much different from 483

With how damage you will get from the 2p 4p

[storm cloak]

I have 444 shoulders lol

[plush tusk]

if you have gold you can buy the boe helmet 😄

[arctic socket]

You can easily farm out 11s+

[limber hollow]

hi all, i need ur help in my vault i have Cataclysmic Signet Brand and Pip's Emerald Friendship Badge HC, but my sim : Accelerating Sandglass > Cataclysmic Signet Brand and Pip's Emerald Friendship Badge

[storm cloak]

Yeah that is what I’m actively doing

[arctic socket]

Do we know how much ilvl effects the proc?

For helm enchant

[storm cloak]

I hit 2500 in warrior and mage so just starting something new

[plush tusk]

because you need more haste on your gear to compensate the haste lost from sandglass

[arctic socket]

Or swap one of those rings

[clever sapphire]

hc signet should do more than 483 hourglass imo, but only in ST and only in a long fight

signet is good the longer the fight goes on

and even there its a proc trinket

[limber hollow]

ok ty guys

[limber lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1184226596366843984/image.png?ex=658b33f6&is=6578bef6&hm=fba61bdee559c809f89e03fa37c389a9a73a7cfa955adf867877135e8f18ce47&

[limber hollow]

the best choice between Cataclysmic Signet Brand or Pip's Emerald Friendship Badge ?

[clever sapphire]

the one the sim tells you

[arctic socket]

Ty

[clever sapphire]

but probably pip unless you are only looking at mythic endbosses

[lucid rain]

pips for m+, signet for long single target fights

but sim your fight durations

[arctic socket]

Trying to see if it’s able to be justified if buying a mythic helm boe with socket. Then turning into tier

So far no

[left sundial]

in burst gate when energy full using tea decrease parse is it worth?

[limber hollow]

ok ty all

[lucid rain]

you use tea for the mastery bonus in the last 6 seconds of kingsbane

[left sundial]

but

[frigid pilot]

Unless you’re world 20th don’t drop 4 million to gain a few dps points lol

[clever sapphire]

not up to date

[left sundial]

when i use full energy in burst window it says wrong cast for parse

[arctic socket]

It’s 1.2m

But I’m not gonna

[clever sapphire]

wowanalyzer isnt up to date to the newest rogue specs

[left sundial]

Okay bro t

[clever sapphire]

it was only good for assa too before rework

[arctic socket]

For roughly 1000 dps increase

[frigid pilot]

Not worth

[clever sapphire]

i will take that 4 million if you dont plan on using it

[arctic socket]

I’m sitting on a good bit of gold currently thanks to gambling the bmah

Pulled a rhino, then a spectral tiger cub followed by a extreme rocket

Can’t get a Nicholas drop tho

Or a hero track branch

[glass raptor]

Do we only use envenom at >1 sec of buff? Even while being full on energy?

[lucid rain]

if you have to choose between envenom and energy, you make sure you don't hit 300 energy

[stable storm]

bro you gotta poooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[lucid rain]

he's asking if you should allow yourself to overcap if envenom is on high duration

and the answer to that is no, you should never cap energy

[west totem]

Yo does anyone know if there is an PI spreadsheet for how much they gain?

[clever sapphire]

bloodmallet

[stable storm]

damn

time to do a million simms

[clever sapphire]

i dont se anything in there

[slim estuary]

Where am I going wrong?

I thought I had the opener and rotation sorted but my dick isn't as big as I thought?H gnarly for example

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GZ3WQpDwakhCntJb#type=casts&fight=6&view=timeline&source=1

[stable storm]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/power_infusion

[clever sapphire]

i meant in your vault

[stable storm]

ah yea LMAO

the lfr ashes is a 7k dps increase

[daring comet]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[low quartz]

Hmmmm - anyone know if theres anyway to sim the best stats for a fresh crafted item; think Im a bit overloaded on crit/mastery and maybe a bit too starved on haste idk

[gusty mirage]

Droptimizer let’s you sim dif stat combinations for crafted gear. You just have to run the dif ones for each combination. It’s kind of annoying but it’ll give you a decent answer. Could also take fuu’s giant list of crafted gear (I think it’s pinned in #tc-research ) and add that to your top gear

[cursive frost]

Some easy things I notice is not having envenom buff up whole time during burst window and going into it, bad tea usage and mistiming your vanish

Also are you using an on use trinket?

[slim estuary]

Thanks for taking a look ❤️

I'm surprised I didn't maintain envenom window. Burst window being during kB?

Vanish should be used in the final <3s of oh to trigger garrote and master assassin? And you come out garr>am>env?

Could you help me to understand how to use tea better? Using it for final 6 seconds of kb

[south gyro]

thistle on ~5.9s and vanish on last 3s

[fresh raven]

does deathmark duplicate any bleed regardless of when you apply them

[limber lion]

yes

[slim estuary]

I think I still have bandolier

[fresh raven]

okay so for the 2nd deathmark the duplicated garrote will just get overwritten by a duplicated imporved garrote

[slim estuary]

Thought I had it macro

[limber lion]

didn't press it a single time that encounter

[slim estuary]

Oh, I'll need to look into that then

[cursive frost]

Getting ashes or branch will help a ton, for tea I generally send 2 charges on dm window especially with heroism

[slim estuary]

Thought it was macro in

[grim jay]

Surgery prolly your only option

[cursive frost]

In kb window you will only use 1 tea

[royal lantern]

thats not good tea usage tbh

[cinder jay]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[cursive frost]

Depending on fight length it is

[grim jay]

It sounds like painful overcapping

[clever sapphire]

so you are already capping on energy and you press another tea on top of it

just for the funs

[restive spire]

mastery tea giga braining

[south gyro]

per your log, you used thistle 11s after the kingsbane

so you missed two ticks for sure, or maybe one more

[cursive frost]

The envenom uptime only being at 81% is an easy improvement

[south gyro]

There's a WA that tracks KB damage and envenom/shiv uptime

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[limber lion]

?

That's decent envenom uptime

[slim estuary]

I'll take a look at where I dropped it. Thanks for the tip

[limber lion]

Especially on Gnarlroot

Gnarlroot is a difficult one to parse proper information from

[cursive frost]

Ah yeah nvm checked my log and 81 is pretty good

[hollow vessel]

should i use 2 thistle teas during opener?

[restive spire]

just 1 during kingsbane

[limber lion]

Of course it's possible to get to like 95% if you're lucky

[slim estuary]

What's the better fight to link for this raid. I just link first cause it's easiest so I should make the least mistakes... Should

[limber lion]

but around 80-95% is already good

[limber lion]

Probably Igira

[hollow vessel]

I've seen some people using 1 with Deathmark and the other one in the 6s window

[limber lion]

Or Volcoross even

Volcoross is probs the best one because you can hit boss 24/7 without ignoring mechanics

[hollow vessel]

or is that overkill?

[restive spire]

maybe min maxxed idk, i just keep the one synced with kb then use the other 2 to help with envenom chains