I see yeah
#assassination
carmine shore
is it normal to have to refresh garrote and rupture a little early going into DM-less KB?
rupture most of all IG
dusk summit
Thanks!
carmine shore
don't really wanna be rupturing and breaking envenom chain inside KB yah?
upper spear
did we catch another nerf? how are my simms dropping lol
balmy dome
What do you guys have you spellqueue window set to that's most comfortable to you? I have around 35MS
split cipher
Spose to be like 10 over your ms (or under, can't remember)
shrewd helm
has the stat priority changed from crit/mastery? I looked at blood mallet and its saying 30% crit/30% master/20%haste/20% vers
prisma monolithBOT
old halo
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
old halo
damn there is one thats a meme about stat weights
spice spire
shrewd helm
.> asking because I wanted to make sure I wasnt over capping. Up until today only have been simming mastery and crit gems
normal mist
And i'm finally 9/9 hc, just downed Tswift
strong wing
Wow I’m simming 198k in ST only
strong wing
And as sub 224
stable storm
guys, how are we doing vs outlaw and sub in high/meta M+?
spice spire
stable storm
ppl seem to be swapping over to outlaw
strong wing
Thought the nerf was less
stable storm
was it the assa nerfs?
gusty lichen
does ashes of the embersoul sim correctly? bloodmallet shows it as #2 trinket, but it sims like 3k worse than sandglass + branch
stable storm
assa still top dps in raid
spice spire
does ashes of the embersoul sim correctly? bloodmallet shows it as #2 trinket, ...
Double on use
strong wing
Double on use
Sub runs double on use
prisma cypress
bloodmallet assumes that your other trinket is just a stat stick
it doesn't look at pairings
gusty lichen
aite thanks
prisma cypress
at the end of the day you probably want one 2-minute on-use and one passive trinket
stable storm
isnt wowhead recommended trinkets more accurate?
spice spire
Sub runs double on use
Yeah but our entire damage profile centers around kb windows. Double on use gets messy
strange python
Does anyone knows the margin of error for non-high precision sim? I dont know how accurate non-high precision is to compare double
subtle tundra
ppl seem to be swapping over to outlaw
assa was never better than outlaw lol
people just played what they wanted at the start
subtle tundra
i mean
spice spire
Why
stable storm
im gonna play meta in m+
subtle tundra
ok then
spice spire
Why
subtle tundra
you do you
spice spire
If you have to ask, you definitely don’t have to.
Not flaming at all because everyone is entitled to do whatever.
But if you can’t draw definite conclusions from playing then you don’t play at a level where it matters.
I know I don’t
stable storm
i love both assa and outlaw, but havent played sub since shadowlands, I kinda didnt like it, but idk how it is rn
strong wing
The only problem for assa in m+ is that you don’t run versa
stable storm
If you have to ask, you definitely don’t have to.
Not flaming at all because eve...
yea you dont know, I play windwalker, if I want to know whats meta so I can play/chase it, it definetly matters
strong wing
And feels imposible doing 26 27s
stable storm
Im gonna climb a mountain with the best boots possible
strong wing
You die to everything
strong wing
Kushlul is playing sub rn and pumping like crazy
stable storm
for m+ it makes sense to have some? at least for the survivability
strong wing
You can watch his streams
stable storm
I will, appreciate it
spice spire
yea you dont know, I play windwalker, if I want to know whats meta so I can play...
I mean I definitely do know.
If you’re playing a key and can’t tell that “maybe this can’t do this” either A. It doesn’t matter, or B. You’re not there.
You can get 3k on whatever and chill
subtle tundra
yes all 3 rogue specs pump
stable storm
i usually watch speed but the mf is playing dh rn 😭
stable storm
I mean I definitely do know.
If you’re playing a key and can’t tell that “maybe ...
feeling like that on 20s in assassa
spice spire
Then no need to ask innit
normal mist
How come 483 tswift OH doesn't beat 476 nickolas 😦
stable storm
yea but like
getting a second opinion is always good no? specially when you're not sure
runic hinge
How come 483 tswift OH doesn't beat 476 nickolas 😦
Timestrike stronk
normal mist
yep absolutely
me being the only rogue in the run/guild, got both hc daggres
sitting in my bags because 483/476 nicks
simple ore
How come 483 tswift OH doesn't beat 476 nickolas 😦
because offhand doesn't matter as much for damage as mainhand so the timestrike outdoes 7ilvls in offhand
normal mist
Fairenough
stable storm
You can watch his streams
ohh i remember seeing speed and the other rogue played sub in the last 2 bosses
spice spire
getting a second opinion is always good no? specially when you're not sure
Trust yourself.
Worst case it’s a skill issue. Fair point though
stable storm
Trust yourself.
Worst case it’s a skill issue. Fair point though
definetly is a skill issue, i'm relatively new to the rogue rework, i played ww all this time, only rogue on the side
runic hinge
Trust yourself.
Worst case it’s a skill issue. Fair point though
For me it’s always krill issue
strong wing
ohh i remember seeing speed and the other rogue played sub in the last 2 bosses
Just cause cds fits better
normal mist
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hAyx31F76sMfSjrTvNq5w9 Also got HC tier, and my champion tier head with socket still beats 7 ilevel xD
strange python
I just wish sudden demise had some scaling with m+ scaling also, somehow
stable storm
Just cause cds fits better
ahh aight
normal mist
what a good time to be alive
subtle tundra
I just wish sudden demise had some scaling with m+ scaling also, somehow
it fucking does?
10% bleed damage
mystic osprey
FUCK YOU GUYS HAHAHAH
stable storm
Just cause cds fits better
sry not last 2 I think, it was smolderon and tswift i think
spice spire
I only whole ass something.
If I say “I wanna play this spec.” I’d rather know 95% on one than 75% across all three. I also think that’s a difference of mentality (which isn’t to say I’m right here, because I’m definitely not objectively correct)
spice spire
FUCK YOU GUYS HAHAHAH
Big
stable storm
I only whole ass something.
If I say “I wanna play this spec.” I’d rather know 9...
95% on one usually does more damage than 75% on another
ebon mortar
does mastery not sim very well? I see my Best item from Vault is a Haste/Verse cloak but i got Hero Eye of Rising Flame from vault. I have a HeavyVerse/Crit necklace
stable storm
but thats where the issue I have arises, rogue has 3 fun specs, monk has one dps spec
strange python
it fucking does?
The last part of the 150% death
normal mist
does mastery not sim very well? I see my Best item from Vault is a Haste/Verse c...
do you have branch?
ebon mortar
i do
simple ore
does mastery not sim very well? I see my Best item from Vault is a Haste/Verse c...
if you're using branch then you already get a ton of mastery so other stats might be worth more than mastery for you
normal mist
that the reason
stable storm
I like knowing what im doing, and being able to play it at a decent lvl, which I did for windwalker, and I dont wanna just play one rogue spec, so I kinda wanna priorize learning it's specs by playing whichever is best overall first
ebon mortar
so TLDR; i should listen to the sim
simple ore
yes
ebon mortar
thanks gang!
strange python
Like the higher the mob hp the harder it is to get to the 150% remaining
stable storm
im 1000% gonna play assa and outlaw, need to keep an eye out for sub though
devout remnant
guys any chance sims is broken for us? i'm simming like 35k more dps on outlaw on ST
simple ore
so TLDR; i should listen to the sim
other thing to consider is that while the neck might be better than what you have, the cloak is still a larger upgrade
ebon mortar
neck is currently Champ track, current cloak just replaces Mast with Verse, thats where i was getting confused
simple ore
sim just thinks you have enough mastery atm, nothing to worry about
gentle belfry
Embers isnt crucial for anything right? Other than like M+ or something?
forest notch
@arctic socket lol Simmed for sub which ill probably do for Smold and it says take pips. I have sims support now ll
earnest ocean
So these are my stats and gear right now, I'm an outlaw main but I'm considering switching to assassination for raid, I'm guessing I need to find a way to get my mastery up to do well? not entirely sure the difference as I've never really played anything other than outlaw
simple ore
Embers isnt crucial for anything right? Other than like M+ or something?
just for offspec afaik, even in m+ we have better trinkets
stable storm
So these are my stats and gear right now, I'm an outlaw main but I'm considering...
bro i've the opposite problem, I have too much mastery and wanna play outlaw in m+
mystic osprey
Embers isnt crucial for anything right? Other than like M+ or something?
shit vault
sry bro
gentle belfry
just for offspec afaik, even in m+ we have better trinkets
okay just making sure, sims as a loss under any circumstances
earnest ocean
bro i've the opposite problem, I have too much mastery and wanna play outlaw in ...
Lmao, I need to find some mastery gear i think to play assassination and perform better than outlaw
gentle belfry
shit vault
facts
simple ore
So these are my stats and gear right now, I'm an outlaw main but I'm considering...
stats aren't end all be all, you can still play sin with those stats
shy pecan
It’s a simple answer. Sim your character for that spec and take whatever items the computer tells you and just play the spec.
stable storm
try getting rings, wrist and gloves with some mastery should be gucci
simple ore
okay just making sure, sims as a loss under any circumstances
if sims are telling you it's bad then it's bad, dw about it. I'd only consider it if you play outlaw maybe, I don't remember if it's actually good for outlaw or not.
stable storm
tbh sometimes sim goofy aah wrong like
shy pecan
Wdym sims goofy?
stable storm
on ww i was simming higher dps on double unqiue one handers last season over djaruun weapon
but djaarun 100% better on certain scenarios (more often than the one handers) due to being damage on demand
very rare case though
shy pecan
Rogue APL is infinitely better.
simple ore
ww is goofy, that's not a sim issue :^)
stable storm
ww is goofy, that's not a sim issue :^)
goofy? bro ww is just shit
subtle tundra
but djaarun 100% better on certain scenarios (more often than the one handers) d...
what
wtf
spice spire
WW got more bugs than a bee sanctuary
shy pecan
Also just because one spec might sim “goofy” doesn’t mean it applies to all specs.
stable storm
Also just because one spec might sim “goofy” doesn’t mean it applies to all spec...
yea just saying some scenarios you dont go for simms all the time
stable storm
on single target, without having to suddenly switch to a prio target/totem whatever, the one handers will be better
but when you need the extra juice the djaruun was almost better, which was always the case in m+
subtle tundra
yea but you simmed 5 minute
st
and it said it is better
cause it is
you didnt sim
totem dps when doing st
stable storm
what are you talking about, did you even read what I said?
subtle tundra
or whatever
stable storm
or comprehend it at all
earnest ocean
stats aren't end all be all, you can still play sin with those stats
Okay, I wasn't sure if I need to get more mastery for it to outperform outlaw, I'll make sure to sim and try to find some different gear so I can have multiple sets
stable storm
all windwalkers were playing djaruun virtually everywhere over one handers, even when it simmed less damage
stable storm
Okay, I wasn't sure if I need to get more mastery for it to outperform outlaw, I...
try simming and +/- checking the stat distribution on bloodmallet
simple ore
Okay, I wasn't sure if I need to get more mastery for it to outperform outlaw, I...
get a branch and you'll still have a ton of mastery for when you actually need it, but until you do get more mastery gear your stats will be fine, it's just a few% loss
stable storm
with 19% u shud be fine tho
subtle tundra
all windwalkers were playing djaruun virtually everywhere over one handers, even...
ok. but is the sim goofy? no
earnest ocean
get a branch and you'll still have a ton of mastery for when you actually need i...
Alright! thanks everyone 🙂
strange python
Does someone know where to consult that stats delta/triangle page that has the perfect equilibrium of all stats?
simple ore
Does someone know where to consult that stats delta/triangle page that has the p...
you mean bloodmallet?
shy pecan
Does someone know where to consult that stats delta/triangle page that has the p...
You shouldn’t care about that.
stable storm
Does someone know where to consult that stats delta/triangle page that has the p...
stat distribution
subtle tundra
whatever
strange python
you mean bloodmallet?
Maybe..
subtle tundra
ask whether you should play assa or outlaw for 20s or something
simple ore
Does someone know where to consult that stats delta/triangle page that has the p...
dw about that just sim yourself/whatever upgrade you're considering
stable storm
ask whether you should play assa or outlaw for 20s or something
bro go back to mapping u too cooked rn
strange python
Yes, secondary distributions, that was it
Thx thats exactly what I was looking for
subtle tundra
even better, to sleep!
shy pecan
I swear some people have weird takes on sims these days
stable storm
I swear some people have weird takes on sims these days
yea cause simms are literal spyware created to steal your information
subtle tundra
guardian srs
subtle tundra
LOL
subtle tundra
ill have to play a bow character this league
stable storm
i always usually start RF and then try something else
probably gonna try mana RF after im settled
i dont like bow builds man they are wierd
I saw hexblast (?) looked interesting, dunno if it uses bow though
subtle tundra
invest 100 divs into a good bow and then get 1 tapped
subtle tundra
hexblast goes hard, league started it last league
stable storm
10 if lucky 25 30 normal ig
simple ore
flickering step is the best build idc
stable storm
hexblast goes hard, league started it last league
i knew this guy that played it a lot, i planned on asking him about it but i just went rf again, since i wanted to play inq and later try the mana stuff
subtle tundra
did all invitations and can do uber bosses easily with investment
simple ore
going brrrr across the map makes my brain make happy chemicals
stable storm
ill prob try other stuff on templar, storm brand, mana RF, maybe srs later on
stable storm
going brrrr across the map makes my brain make happy chemicals
bro you spend hundres of hours every season building a character
if you are still able to see stuff on the screen you're doing something wrong
simple ore
who said I could see myself
stable storm
go carpal tunnal epilepsy gang
stable storm
i got my RF mtx tha doesnt allow me to see shit on the ground (celestial one on sale)
for that extra thang
so my RF is fucking huge, and it occupies a lot of the screen
green silo
for the embersoul trinket, do we wait till we are near our last kingsbane tick before using it or just use it at the start of our burst windows?
stable storm
but yea i wanted to try flicker and hexblast thing mostly
simple ore
for the embersoul trinket, do we wait till we are near our last kingsbane tick b...
3 seconds in
iirc
green silo
Tysm!
stable storm
man i want my name purple
simple ore
for stuff like that you can also do a quick sim and just look at when the sim uses it
and try to aim for something similar
stable storm
okay imma go watch some series
green silo
for stuff like that you can also do a quick sim and just look at when the sim us...
Thank you, I will look into this
stable storm
@ me if you need more factually truthfull sim takes
also dont use weakauras, they steal your information in order to train an army of bots to play the game
they will come one day
storm forum
i am willfully complicit
simple ore
one day? They already exist in pvp
stable storm
one day? They already exist in pvp
omg in classic
i stopped keeping up after watching like 10 videos that kept coming out throught the months of that shit happening
actually sadge
muted ridge
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
stable storm
it's in retail too
i saw that too
on twitter, i thought it was just them abusing a macro to pop all procs for em tho right?
simple ore
there was a vid on twitter of a mage bot too, all you do is move around
storm forum
and if you werent a bot, you were using the kick bot macros
simple ore
rop bots were common too lol
stable storm
ring of peace bots?
simple ore
ye
stable storm
how'd that work
simple ore
they would insta rop you out of like darkness or amz
scarlet sable
got pips and counterweight in vault
stable storm
do you really need a bot for that?
gah damn man thats actually sad
scarlet sable
can also do second hero wep or get 4pc
stable storm
why do ppl do that jesus
scarlet sable
wep and 4pc seem more easily obtainable
stable storm
SIM ALL OF THEM ZYN
scarlet sable
I AM
stable storm
BIG COMPARE
simple ore
I remember watching a pikaboo video where a botter forgot to turn it off in solo shuffle when on pikaboo's team and rop'd enemies out of their own darkness lol
scarlet sable
but am i trading long term gains for short term
stable storm
I remember watching a pikaboo video where a botter forgot to turn it off in solo...
JHAHAHAHA I HAVE TO GO LOOK FOR IT
simple ore
it was one of his dh videos from like 3 or 4 months ago iirc
the guy came into his chat and tried to argue he wasn't botting
scarlet sable
prob take 4pc idk
simple ore
just happened to get frame perfect rops lol
scarlet sable
is pips decent for us?
stable storm
friend is trying to get me to play dh
most wws on pos tell me to play dh bro fr
unfaithfull mfs
scarlet sable
im a big M+ guy
simple ore
I'm playing dh as an alt, it's fun af tbh
scarlet sable
gloves means i have all hero 4pc but
stable storm
im probably gonna boost one whenever i get war within
simple ore
kinda braindead easy in pvp though
scarlet sable
idk tier is easier to obtain
stable storm
i played dh in s1 and 2 of shadowlands, it was pretty fun man
scarlet sable
sim says gloves bc it gives 2pc
stable storm
what I dont like is tht you need to be an, god forbid me from saying this term, an elf
simple ore
idk tier is easier to obtain
do you have 4p atm?
scarlet sable
no but i have 2 tokens in bag just need to catalyze a piece for full 4
simple ore
oh then get trinket
simple ore
lots of people want pips so in raid it's harder to get
stable storm
anyway im gonna go dip for a while gonna watch some series
shoutout to the best class discords (peak of serenity and ravenholdt)
watch out for chinese spyware (weakauras) and goofy simms
stable storm
I got pip i think its pretty good across all specs
simple ore
farm fall, get your nick offhand, take pips
scarlet sable
trying too
stable storm
I think pip is harder to get since everyone wants it
simple ore
it's only like 5% for sin and the buffs will not put it above 9% increase like other trinkets
scarlet sable
im taking pips
scarlet sable
hero
stable storm
yea man 1000% take pip
forest notch
I think counterweight will still be very bad
did a sim with it, its def a lot better than it was. simmed around 5k less then my 483 hourglass/branch
simple ore
5k is 2.5%
plain moon
I just auto picked myth track nick of time oujt of my fault but I think might have been the wrong choice. I already have a myth track dagger and a hero track nick of time so im only upgrading a few OH ilvls with it
stable storm
I got pip and 437 paracausal one for aoe / rocksomething stones for ST
simple ore
that's significant
smoky leaf
!FUU
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
scarlet sable
okay im taking pips
simple ore
I'm sure it's better than before but it's still garbage compared to our actual good trinkets
I guess it's at least better until you actually get the better trinkets, before it was a horrible drop to get lol
scarlet sable
2pc is 8k dps increae for me lol
forest notch
5k is 2.5%
ya it was exactly 2.5%
scarlet sable
im finna BLAST this week
scarlet sable
i know
simple ore
yes
scarlet sable
i just need a gloves chest shoulders
simple ore
everyone should have 4p this week assuming they did heroic or 2500
scarlet sable
and i have 2 tokens
just back luck
idc if its champ ill tier it
get a piece later on
kind swift
guys im wearing a hero track branch already i have to take the crab right
scarlet sable
so pips is what like A tier for us?
simple ore
pretty much yes
simple ore
it/sandglass are the best st passive trinkets and which is better for you will just depend on your gear
and pips is the best passive aoe trinket
patent crater
!wa
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gilded oasis
idk I just click it when I die or it times out
gilded oasis
ya but what are you macroing it to bunny boy
gaunt moat
Easy to use WA that puts a button on your screen, you click it, it goes away
gaunt moat
ya but what are you macroing it to bunny boy
My left mouse button 🤓
gilded oasis
someone here gets madge at clickable WAs and I dont remember who
runic hinge
someone here gets madge at clickable WAs and I dont remember who
You just missed the guy who said WA’s are just to train bots to replace you
shy meteor
i'm only getting 47 ticks of poison applications during lust - does that seem wrong? (i'm using notter's WA)
exotic epoch
What is the range of caustic splater?
balmy condor
i'm only getting 47 ticks of poison applications during lust - does that seem w...
completely rng
balmy condor
What is the range of caustic splater?
12
shy meteor
sadness - also does anyone know when i should be using irideus fragment in my KB window?
been unlucky with trinkets lol
shy meteor
ah the classic sim bait
balmy condor
less bait
more bug
it's removing 2 stacks on a mutilate instead of 1
so like it's kinda fine
especially with ambush during dance
but still pretty bad
idle lake
Is there a way to make the Whispyr edit weakaura pack play a sound when I drop Caustic Spatter or am no longer targeting my causting spatter focus?
unkempt osprey
Hey, I have a 470 Branch and a 435 trinket. My vault has Ashes of trhe embersoul 460 and augury of the primal flame 470. Idk which to take
plain moon
!up
prisma monolithBOT
unkempt osprey
raidbots is telling me to take augury but no rogue is using that, theyre all using ashes so im leaning towards that. Just want confirmation from some decent rogues and the 2 on use trinkets until i get the one from Dawn
fading patrol
do you guys AOE or funnel when igira spawn the spears
unkempt osprey
funnel for me
strange python
Is there a way to check IC range on current build?
fading patrol
funnel for me
thx
cursive island
raidbots is telling me to take augury but no rogue is using that, theyre all usi...
You don’t want to use 2 on-use trinkets. It’ll desync from your CDs as they have a shared CD after using one of them.
unkempt osprey
So I should suck it up and get augury with branch even though 0 rogues are using it?
cursive island
You don’t really want to use branch and ashes together. I think Whispyr mentioned this in one of his videos, can’t remember which.
dusk sun
is the dungeonslice option in raidbots sim an accurate metric of aoe dps?
cursive island
So I should suck it up and get augury with branch even though 0 rogues are using...
If it is the best simming option then yes.
cursive island
You can also farm the trinket from fall
unkempt osprey
yeah, ill have to, including the daggers
cursive island
Which would possibly be better for you, but you’d best sim it really and then consider if you’d like to farm it. You’d likely need to farm nick of time anyway if you want to be optimal.
fallen forge
!wa
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woeful wigeon
!branch
balmy dome
what's your guys average kingsbane?
sterile perch
when do you pick branch vs ashes? is there a rule of thumb?
balmy condor
the rule is branch is better
lean portal
why are so much players picking ashes then
sterile perch
the rule is branch is better
EZ rule i like it
balmy condor
why are so much players picking ashes then
lazy and hate orb
sterile perch
makes my vault much easier 🙂
runic hinge
My priest went to PI me on volocross the other night and pulled me away from my orbs
Lifegrip right next to pi 
sleek gale
whispyr i asked for your advice last week on why i was gray parsing and i now owe you my life ty 🙏
unreal imp
The helm enchant kinda a let down after weeks of waiting. Only does ~1.7% of my damage in the couple things I've tried it on. Maybe they'll buff these
balmy condor
????????
that's basically just a third embellishment
and you're complaining?
about free damage?
drifting cloud
do you think my m+ pugs with no enchants will get the helm enchant
runic hinge
People have been in here all day complaining about free damage
abstract jacinth
does anyone have the KB WA? I don't see it in the list, and my PC died so now I have to set everything up again 🙃
drifting cloud
abstract jacinth
err nah, the one that shows damage done total
ahh it's notters https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug
simple ore
and you're complaining?
it's not enough free damage I'm madge
balmy condor
whispyr i asked for your advice last week on why i was gray parsing and i now ow...
big
balmy condor
it's not enough free damage I'm madge
insane
peak bobcat
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
oblique jackal
Can you macro dance and KB?
balmy condor
yes
hard heath
My hands hurt with outlaw. What's the APM of sin?
fervent bronze
Myth Spiked Counterweight in vault. I know the answer is going to be Sim, but any chance it thats better than heroic sandglass pips?
sleek gale
it's much kinder on your hands than outlaw haha
balmy condor
Myth Spiked Counterweight in vault. I know the answer is going to be Sim, but a...
would say no chance
hard heath
would say no chance
It just got buffs today, I saw. They weren't enough?
balmy condor
not even close to enough
we simmed it earlier today in a session
and it was -2.5% for the guy
hard heath
Oof
balmy condor
compared to 483 branch/pip
lucid rain
My hands hurt with outlaw. What's the APM of sin?
It's pretty molasses
you'll do great dps and save your wrists 🎉
hard heath
Oh that's wonderful to hear, ty
wide ferry
this whole pooling shit was the secret sauce
obsidian obsidian
battle pot on pull or with ashes?
gilded oasis
about free damage?
I h8 free damage 
balmy condor
battle pot on pull or with ashes?
with deathmark
obsidian obsidian
coffee that
gaunt moat
battle pot on pull or with ashes?
with Deathmark
but like, i'm not sure how much damage differnce there is, if at all.
bitter birch
2-3 seconds into kingsbane pop ashes of the embersoul ya? whats the dps loss if i hit with kingsbane?
balmy condor
good enough ya?
yeah that's fine
bitter birch
yeah that's fine
dope appreciate you 🙂
south wing
apricot you
proven carbon
no matter what i do i cant seem to orange parse :(
gaunt moat
It's more difficulty to orange parse now after the nerf + fix to aug damage attribution.
You are still being compared to those parses.
On the flip side, you have better gear so you can do better then you did before.
So I'd focus more on how you're doing compared to your previous parses.
(Also, at least in normal/heroic top parses are full of people that get PI/aug, or by people who did like 50 boost runs)
And also you're probably bad.
(j/k 🐰 )
proven carbon
I was running outlaw in raid for the first 3-4 weeks
geared assassination bc outlaw felt mid
cant seem to go over 75-80 parse so i was getting discouraged
gaunt moat
Other factors are:
- Gear ilvl
- Kill timing
- How fast your other raid member kill AoE targets
- Misusing cooldown timings
- Incorrect usage of abilities
proven carbon
i think i need to learn boss timings better
is there anywhere to look at when bosses phase and such?
would be helpful for dm/kb timings
strange trail
!dagger
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humble kayak
Witherbark and Pips or is double on use worth with Ashes?
gaunt moat
Trade offer:
You take one shadow step
I get acrobatic strikes
fallow acorn
agree
balmy condor
top parsers be like
is it a surprise?
sudden brook
is it a surprise?
ROgue players when the top parses are the luckiest players and also getting externals
south wing
balmy condor
turns out having 12k dps is generally more damage than not having 12k dps
indigo mulch
proven carbon
<a:WHAT:1089392791999754403>
i mean when they dominate the charts and people start to question your dps because you cant parse 90+ it starts to get a little frustrating
indigo mulch
What.. is 12k more than not having 12k?
sudden brook
Who is "they"
proven carbon
sin rogues
sudden brook
???
indigo mulch
gaunt moat
Who is "they"
The government.
oak tangle
is WCL gonna reset the rankings, it bit rough to keep them after the nerf
sudden brook
is WCL gonna reset the rankings, it bit rough to keep them after the nerf
Gear will offset the nerf
oak tangle
it will, but at the same time, it's not representative
gaunt moat
is WCL gonna reset the rankings, it bit rough to keep them after the nerf
they don't usually reset for small balance changes.
they do for patches, or big isssues.
indigo mulch
Why are we dooming over wcl? 😮
left sundial
Who is questioning your DPS when not getting PI + WFT + Aug
Wft?
proven carbon
Who is questioning your DPS when not getting PI + WFT + Aug
my casual "progression focused" guild
i want to get CE this tier but i can't get into great guilds with mid parses
oak tangle
not dooming, but i'd like to see a better comparison of where I actually am considering i don't get gear at the same level as CE peeps until after nerfs
near valley
my casual "progression focused" guild
i want to get CE this tier but i can't get...
Pay for PI and Aug buffs
Or abuse authority like me and demand them
oak tangle
i want to know how much it's the nerfs for me getting 70-80 parses, and how much it is me
near valley
Both?
silk bane
turns out having 12k dps is generally more damage than not having 12k dps
could you please elaborate? im not sure I follow 
oak tangle
definitely both, but to what extent, you can practice to try and improve yourself and still do bad which would make you think you are doing wrong
oak tangle
nothing to do with raid expectations, personal ones
indigo mulch
Alright.
near valley
nothing to do with raid expectations, personal ones
Well I guess u can do the math and get an idea if u fall into the 80-90s b4 nerfs?
I think my English is right
random quarry
what is this pooling concept
near valley
U store ebergy
sudden brook
my casual "progression focused" guild
i want to get CE this tier but i can't get...
Genuinly I mean this, they are stupid people then
drifting cloud
!pooling
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oak tangle
Well I guess u can do the math and get an idea if u fall into the 80-90s b4 nerf...
i guess
sudden brook
Or you've literally not explained to them how PI works
Or they are just ribbing you and you are taking it too personally
One of the 3
near valley
U use said energy later when u can maximise whatever u plan to do
I.e envenom uptime or cds or whatever
grizzled mist
what build are people running this week in M+? mostly just Hybrid still?
random quarry
I feel incredibly energy starved in single target and im only refreshing envenom right before it falls off
playing hybrid
near valley
??
gilded oasis
??
near valley
Deleted that as fast as u posted it lmao
gilded oasis
I didnt see anything
gilded oasis
also realized I was not scrolled down and was replying to god knows what
random quarry
can someone glance over this for me please?
balmy condor
damage breakdown looks pretty normal
maybe a bit low on caustic
but it's a very low key
so not too surprising
seems fine
what you laughin bout @south wing
near valley
what you laughin bout <@255863212245909505>
What
void pecan
Singet or sandglass for single. Sims say sandglass with branch..
balmy condor
then I guess sandglass
void pecan
I knew you would, but I wanted to just see
drifting cloud
see what
near valley
I'm wondering what bro's laughing about
I guess ur just naturally funny UwU
drifting cloud
number higher = good
south wing
what you laughin bout <@255863212245909505>
not you just how the game has inflated since legion
the community really do be doing keys
oak tangle
3x the key level, 3x the amount of vault loot
balmy condor
not you just how the game has inflated since legion
they've been slowly inflating key levels, and this patch they just went bonkers for no reason
normally +20's are like super hard week 1 and people went in and smashed
near valley
Well 20-23 are ez
Then u go 25 and u just die to a shadowbolt to the face
Elusiveness gaming is the way
oak tangle
it felt similar to season 2, i think it's just a gear dif, season 1 doesn't have previous raid bis items
near valley
proud basin
anyone have a WA for branch trinket?
oak tangle
but i guess i've not played a consistent character this expac, so i've always done the same thing of gearing up through mid tier keys
slate crown
anyone have a WA for branch trinket?
!wa in LE profile, first or second result
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rustic minnow
Spiked counter weight still shjt?
balmy condor
yep
south wing
they've been slowly inflating key levels, and this patch they just went bonkers ...
I’m happy to read you say that, I thought I was kinda losing my mind
oak tangle
how much do you think key level inflation has to do with a) missing an entire affix and b) doing dungeons we've already had known routes and strats for
rustic minnow
Ilvl increase from last tier to this tier is the biggest it's been
So probably that
oak tangle
that should technically have made it harder though no?
near valley
No seasonal affix deffo affected things
rustic minnow
Nope, I don't reckon they scaled things right with the ilvl increase
Last tier we didn't have a seasonal either
drifting cloud
and last tier people did 33s
oak tangle
possibly, though the one shots feel like they're scaled pretty highly
near valley
I mean yeah last season didn't have
Still affects both regardless in a way
The speed of getting gear and ilvl was giga fast last season too
rustic minnow
Plus Aug evoker is a thing
oak tangle
i feel like a large portion is still that 3 of this seasons dungeons have already been in the m+ rotation
you dont have to spend time coming up with routes
it really showed on atal, where they had to change mechanics cause it was too easy
rustic minnow
The first few weeks were pretty easy affixes
Like try pushing this week
Looks fun 🙂
oak tangle
i dont remember does shiv de bolster?
i know it deals with raging, but not sure about bolster
oak tangle
yo low key
near valley
Which is usually the guy that can't be cc'd
tall atlas
Nothing takes off bolster
oak tangle
old bolstering would have been sweet this week
near valley
FH bellow
arctic apex
I gotta say, I sure hate playing without Acrobatic Strikes. Am I a scrub? Should I just play a diff class? Give it to me straight boys.
near valley
You are a scrub yes
oak tangle
I gotta say, I sure hate playing without Acrobatic Strikes. Am I a scrub? Should...
just keep trucking and you'll get used to it
oak tangle
it does suck having to be literally inside volkaal in atal to do any damage thoguh
rustic minnow
Just throw in the towel, it's the worst shit ever
random quarry
seems fine
ty
arctic apex
Alright boys. You've inspired me. I'll keep up with no Acrobatic Strikes. It is the worst shit ever. Maybe we'll get it again some day prayge
balmy dome
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balmy dome
Would any really cute and pro sin rogue do a review of me: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bXFcLrZw2DQy79Pt#fight=34&type=damage-done&source=11
I feel like my Kingsbanes are bad or something idk what I'm doing wrong
eternal heath
Hell yeah our blood dk got the lego
thorn fjord
Whats the sped up opener again?
timid talon
frozen iris
Also do they filter logs by if you got pi or not ?
tall atlas
Would any really cute and pro sin rogue do a review of me: https://www.warcraftl...
Why did you motivate three times at the start
Mutilate
balmy dome
Why did you motivate three times at the start
to build to 4 cp for envenom
near valley
I too like to motivate
lucid rain
something something now I'm motivated
balmy dome
1 mut SnD, 2 muts into envenom
cinder dawn
are toxic thorn boots sim bait?
near valley
No?
tall atlas
1 mut SnD, 2 muts into envenom
After your first rupture you muti three times
balmy dome
you're overflowing with energy here b/c deathmark
You don't double tea in KB window?
near valley
No
lucid rain
near valley
U tea when KB is 6 secs left
lucid rain
vanish and tea are backwards
balmy dome
After your first rupture you muti three times
yes first rupture mutilate goes into SND, the other 2 are to build 4 CP for envenom
balmy dome
ah so I clipped the window bad
tall atlas
How do we use shiv properly
lime crypt
read wowhead guide
lucid rain
so, shiv is 8 seconds right, and you have 2 charges
kingsbane is 14 seconds
so you can cover the entire kb with 2 shivs
near valley
Man playing sin without amp trinkets Is cursed
lucid rain
this empowered garrote had 2.4s left on it
you could probably have waited another couple seconds to let it tick one more time before refreshing it with a regular one
not a big deal but figured I'd point it out
near valley
I just let the empowered run out and refresh as it does
balmy dome
okay ty guys
near valley
Man I love/hate kingsbane
balmy dome
so to just summarize, only tea once, make sure I don't clip vanish and tea for KB
Anything else>
near valley
so to just summarize, only tea once, make sure I don't clip vanish and tea for K...
Tea when u need it for energy and 6 secs left in KB
It's more like 5.9 secs but 6 secs is easier to explain
fast phoenix
This new discord update… yuck.
near valley
Vamish is for ur last 3 secs of KB in 2 min windows
mighty nexus
Are BMs better PI targets now or are my priests just inting the raid ?
lucid rain
just pointing this out for thoroughness; I'm sure you know what you did wrong and if anyone here says they've never done this, they're a dirty liar
fast phoenix
Like they took the wheel and made it into a square polygon
south wing
This new discord update… yuck.
FR FR
near valley
I can't say I've delayed DM like this
outer lodge
Yeah i've been just out of range for KB and didnt realize it didnt connect.....
near valley
Yeah the acroless life lmao
fast phoenix
Lately I’ve been double shiv’ing on accident cause tswift lag gets horrendous
balmy dome
Please forgive me, but do you DM without a garrote
or do you non empowered garrote and then DM?
then KB
slate crown
Yeah i've been just out of range for KB and didnt realize it didnt connect.....
Yah happened to me
near valley
Please forgive me, but do you DM without a garrote
U should have garrote up
When u DM
The garrote from ur opener
slate crown
I feel like I want to add a personal sound to the KB tracker just for when it appears at all
near valley
Is enough to last into DM
slate crown
so you tie that sound to your cooldowns starting
and if you ever don't hear that sound when you think you should
you know something is up
near valley
Then u use shadow dance garrotes for CP and to make ur empowered last longer
balmy dome
U should have garrote up
I see
I've been messing this up lmao
thanks so much that's probably huge
near valley
It really is
balmy dome
so if you have all CDs up 2 minutes in
you make sure garrote and rupture are up
then basically go through your opener again
lucid rain
as far as garrotes that are not from your opener, you just need to have a garrote that lasts long enough that it doesn't drop off before you garrote in shadow dance
balmy dome
DM > Shiv > Dance > KB
lucid rain
yeah, sin rogue burst doesn't change much
near valley
I just macro my dance and KB tbh
lucid rain
you do it once you can do it a thousand times
balmy dome
thanks a lot guys, this has been big helpful
near valley
you make sure garrote and rupture are up
Best part of the vanish at 3 secs of KB left
Is that u can get empowered gsrrote refresh and a giga rupture
Due to stealth buff
balmy dome
yeah that makes a lot of sense
near valley
And also a better chance to crit the last tick of KB
Though when u do u feel great with a 1 mill+ KB
And shit when u don't crit
icy acorn
vault really likes to give me every set piece before getting anything else
lucid rain
I had to take a socket today :)
fast phoenix
Is that u can get empowered gsrrote refresh and a giga rupture
You’re garrote then rupturing at end? Not sneaking one more envenom in?
near valley
You’re garrote then rupturing at end? Not sneaking one more envenom in?
Well my rupture is usually in pandemic range anyway
And it gets buffed fully by the subterfuge, nightstalker. Whatever it's called buff
Rupture refresh takes priority over a envenom press
Unless shit has changed and I wasn't aware
fast phoenix
Hmmm ok I’m sponging what you’re spilling
I’ve been forcing an envemom at the end after the garrote but maybe that’s my mistake
turbid mulch
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lean portal
why are so many ppl playing sandglass over crab when crab sims higher ?
in m+ i mean
radiant phoenix
do i use finishers at 4cp regardless of how much crit i have?
near valley
why are so many ppl playing sandglass over crab when crab sims higher ?
Free haste
balmy condor
in m+ i mean
probably don't care enough to put crests/farm a trinket that's slightly better
near valley
Vs proc chance mastery
lean portal
well
balmy condor
give up some single target for some aoe
lean portal
both are same cost in crests
naive rock
@radiant phoenix in the pins
faint spoke
!dagger
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lean portal
that cant be explaination
balmy condor
not if you need 2
lean portal
Free haste
yeah but other is free mastery
near valley
yeah but other is free mastery
It's tyran week
lean portal
yeah they also play sandglass in fortified
its geniune question im just trying to understand a bit
near valley
Yeah they like boss damage I guess
near valley
its geniune question im just trying to understand a bit
The likely answer is that peeps saw some top peeps on subcreation do it
Then assumed that is the way
And so they all just copied each other
lean portal
yeah thats what i was thinking
no joke XD
but if the top players play sanglass in first place there must be a reason
left berry
is nick of time 483>a 489 weapon?
near valley
but if the top players play sanglass in first place there must be a reason
They got it first?
lean portal
is nick of time 483>a 489 weapon?
489 slightly better main hand
left berry
489 slightly better main hand
for ST and aoe?
near valley
Yes
lean portal
i dont believe in this for crab, cause they both farmable easily
left berry
ty
lean portal
you can explain the 0 pips like this but not the 0 crabs
dusty zenith
How would rotation go for when death mark comes off cooldown? Would you shiv dance kb and apply garrote then death mark?
icy acorn
you start with dm
balmy dome
Do you gotta farm the buffs for the dagger?
dusty zenith
So non empowered bleeds you death mark?
lean portal
garrote is empowered if you open
steel saddle
pretty sure whisyp says dm isn't worth the gcd inside dance/kb so use it before
dusty zenith
I mean after it comes off cool down
steel saddle
it should all sync up with 1 min dance/kb no?
near valley
Then yeah ur going in with unempowered
dusty zenith
I’ve been doing it wrong and empowering the bleeds
lean portal
dm lasts 16s and kingsbane 14s this is just the explanation
near valley
The SD garrotes will change them to empowered anywah
steel saddle
whisp says use garrote right after dance/kb
dusty zenith
So do you empower rupture ?
steel saddle
as your building towards your envenom
near valley
U generate with the empowered garrotes during dance yes
dusty zenith
Or just go into empowered garrote and then envelop
steel saddle
he said you can but simpler to just envenom chain through kb
icy acorn
just apply rupture as it runs out
steel saddle
he said technically rupture is slightlyyyyy better but not worth the rotation headache unless your a pro
lean portal
sandglass is just better single target
they both sim the same single target i just checked (crab and glass)
icy acorn
its not worth it really
boreal raven
having PI thru the end of kingsbane a large deal?
dusty zenith
Ok
balmy condor
they both sim the same single target i just checked (crab and glass)
great I guess, it doesn't for 95% of people
dusty zenith
So typically during dance I shouldn’t empower rupture
near valley
So do you empower rupture ?
I empower rupture during the vanish window
dusty zenith
Sometimes I’ll do that
near valley
It lines up with pandemic range
Otherwise u can in dance if u want to but it's whatever
lime crypt
do i trust mr robot
icy acorn
always
near valley
lime crypt
fucker tells me that heavy vers neck is bis for me and i feel like its bait
like
it might be "good" now
but once i get other gear
icy acorn
lime crypt
then it devalues
icy acorn
me when having to pick socket
lime crypt
me when having to pick socket
me last week
icy acorn
surely igira will drop a myth dagger this week x)
near valley
https://tenor.com/view/thanos-snap-remember-avengers-infinity-gif-19131804
Nice name
spice spire
Thanks king
spice spire
True
near valley
near valley
He loved the attention fr fr
icy acorn
also a bit of a show off imo
spice spire
I will not accept quaké-mal’ganis slander in this chat 
near valley
I will not accept quaké-mal’ganis slander in this chat <a:HUHHH:1042955029595828...
What u going to do about it?
Tell him?
dusty zenith
One last question. I usually use elemental pot after I use dm for first time should I not use it there?
near valley
He's gone bro
dusty zenith
I see some people use it after first rupture is applied
near valley
I use it with DM
icy acorn
One last question. I usually use elemental pot after I use dm for first time sho...
normaly yes, but if your group is holding bl to a point where your dm would be up again, you can delay it
young echo
Does Atrophic poison stack with things like devo aura?
near valley
normaly yes, but if your group is holding bl to a point where your dm would be u...
Depends how long ur waiting
frozen iris
Do you guys accelerate your opener for mythic gnarlroot
near valley
Wdym?
icy acorn
no
near valley
Accelerate how?
icy acorn
dont rupture in opener
frozen iris
To better line up for intermisison dps boost
drifting cloud
yeah if your guild is bad with how long they take in intermission
icy acorn
just tell your group you do a root at the end and wait for your cds to come up
drifting cloud
you have time
near valley
Does Atrophic poison stack with things like devo aura?
Two seperate different things but yes
near valley
yeah if your guild is bad with how long they take in intermission
U just bribe them to hold ez
spice spire
He's gone bro
Ur right damn
icy acorn
Ur right damn
dusty zenith
I combined my sd and kb into a single macro seems to work well one extra keybind freed up
near valley
Works nice for raid
dusty zenith
Yeah
near valley
M+ not so much
near valley
Ur right damn
I miss him everyday
icy acorn
tbh, i never used dance for garrotes in m+. only vanish
near valley
fresh kelp
swapped from Outlaw to Sin for raid, how bad are my stats?
lime crypt
its fine
try to sim
st as outlaw
and st as ssin
and play what sims for higher, while you get better gear for ssin
thats what i did
near valley
swapped from Outlaw to Sin for raid, how bad are my stats?
Stats don't matter that much with sin
south wing
!whispyr
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near valley
U can play in full outlaw bis stats and be like 3% off
spice spire
fresh kelp
Sin Sims 192k and Outlaw at 194k
lime crypt
U can play in full outlaw bis stats and be like 3% off
i remember i was more than 3%
simple ore
swapped from Outlaw to Sin for raid, how bad are my stats?
get a branch and you're chilling
stats don't matter
it's a few % difference
fresh kelp
Ya gotta farm that, using a 483 Sandglass + 483 My'das
lime crypt
also get some high ilvl daggers
fresh kelp
Had to craft one, so i got a 486 MH and 476 OH Nick of time
fresh kelp
PRAISE THE SUN!!!!!
Dont you dare go hollow!
balmy condor
Sin Sims 192k and Outlaw at 194k
sounds more like your sin stats are better than your outlaw stats if they're that close lmao
boreal raven
is it a big dmg losss to not have PI rolling thru KB ending?
spice spire
It ain’t great
karmic tusk
!dagger
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lean portal
is it a big dmg losss to not have PI rolling thru KB ending?
its ok if kingsbane is already caped
but its rare
finite fern
myth 1/4 tier gloves or hero 2/6 sandglass from vault?
finite fern
truu
gaunt moat
Mission Accomplished
lucid rain
grats you lucky duck
balmy dome
do we have to farm the mythic dagger buffs from Igara?
spice spire
grats you lucky duck
He’s a rabbit
balmy condor
do we have to farm the mythic dagger buffs from Igara?
the dagger doesn't do anything of value
balmy dome
ah cool ty
balmy condor
you just use it on a training dummy once
and get a small heal
and otherwise forget it exists
balmy dome
perfect lmao, ty
balmy condor
np
eternal nymph
do we have to farm the mythic dagger buffs from Igara?
You use the dagger once on your desired target.
That's it.
The buff stays (sometimes it drops tbh, idk what makes it happen)
mighty nexus
Are BMs better pi targets now or are my priests just inting the raid
gaunt moat
it even has speed 
fallow acorn
😮
crystal vault
Are BMs better pi targets now or are my priests just inting the raid
inting
split grail
Is anyone willing to review my logs and tell me what I'm doing wrong. I thought I was doing everything right but I'm only parsing like 80% on Volo
storm forum
when i get my max ilvl timestrike dagger after the season ends, it better have leech avoidance speed and a socket
lofty junco
well i won my vault^^ branch it is https://i.imgur.com/yms5jq7.png
subtle kettle
!fuu
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rancid spade
its ok to use wafting x2 for raid and m+?
lofty junco
never ever gonna have to run EB again
agile geode
Are eu servers up?
drifting cloud
yes
agile geode
Ty
junior yoke
well i won my vault^^ branch it is https://i.imgur.com/yms5jq7.png
⏳
Got bis trinket as well (my’das)
eternal nymph
You obviously pick nick
balmy condor
good meme
eternal nymph
It's BiS forever
rancid spade
u rlly ask if dagger
balmy condor
bro asked if he takes bis dagger or worst trinket in the game
he's obviously trolling
don't mind
junior yoke
Pick counter 100%
hazy pendant
i think i go with socket
junior yoke
hourglass is in the 2nd slot^^
Mine too, but first is my’das, essy
hazy pendant
relax tinket got buffed its simple question i already have x2 and dmg tis same
from timestrike
junior yoke
I guess nick of time is the go to, but let the expert say
drifting cloud
such a simple question, yet cant even run a simple sim
balmy condor
you could've simmed it
and seen that yourself
you don't need me to tell you a shit trinket is shit
hazy pendant
didnt know if its still updated on sims so sry if i disturb you
junior yoke
such a simple question, yet cant even run a simple sim
Ah… typical
slim hedge
big
fallow acorn
😮
junior yoke
slim hedge
Yep, options were Lady Waycrest Signet, Heroic Embersoul, Salty Shellstudded Girdle
Have heroic Embersoul and Bark so
junior yoke
Yo one question, where’s the guy whos name was makeitquake? Or smth like this
runic hinge
@spice spire
shell quail
!dagger