assassination

[broken hatch]

It will probly fall off on bosses

[surreal citrus]

alt tab to shitpost on discord between energy pools

[solar bramble]

tis why I specified fort. as I'm not doing obscenely high keys. fort bosses don't live horribly long

[fervent jasper]

Can you link the export string for this? I want to sim it

[lucid rain]

fort lends itself to kbing the shit out of packs

[hollow vessel]

I just want to get to Smolderon to stop playing this

[solar bramble]

nothing lies long enough for me to kingsbane often enough.

[broken hatch]

In lower keys i still think the second picture is better

[lucid rain]

desync your cooldowns from your party

[solar bramble]

by the time i get my bleeds out they're mostly already at 1/2 health. before I can even think about starting kingsbane

[lucid rain]

let them go wild on the first pack

then you pop on the next one

easy money

[solar bramble]

These are DH's I run with and hunters. their damage is nearly the same pack to pack

[lucid rain]

then you don't have to care what spec you run

[solar bramble]

not fel barrage builds. so the burst is close every 40s

[broken hatch]

@fervent jasper I can when I get home, but I assume it sims lower since it doesnt take DH or Hunter in to it

[solar bramble]

for this week though it lokos like i'll just use the arterial precision cleave

without CT.

nothing lives long enough anyway.

[versed gulch]

Or just accept the fact that Assassination isn't as well equipped to handle that kind of stuff. Too many globals to set up and not enough big health mobs to funnel

There are things that we excel at. But that isn't one of them.

[broken hatch]

I agree but when the key levels go up I feel like it works just fine

[versed gulch]

Short of trying to scum Sudden Demise burst with a couple quick bleeds and then an AP Shiv to make them pop faster

Exactly. If they're dying too fast it's time to bump up that key level

[solar bramble]

it depends on party comp and damage.

if i'm with people who are average or worse. my damage goes up dramatically. if i'm with a good AoE upfront burst that knows their burst. it drops

[fervent jasper]

That's what I'm thinking. These builds look like they're more designed to help pad details than to time the key

[solar bramble]

does the mob live long enough for me to start rolling bleeds. and at least start to spread spatters? well i'm probably doing at least ok. . . if it's alive long enough for kingsbane, they all melt

[fervent jasper]

what level keys are you doing

[solar bramble]

17-18's. . . i'll occasionally drop into 13's just for quick runs to try for even a basic nick

[fervent jasper]

The problem you're having gets a lot better around the 22-23 range

[solar bramble]

since I has none yet. and I don't have the IO to just apply for 17 falls freely yet to farm for nicks without a tank or healer with me

unlike my dh . .. who tanked his way up quickly. so my havoc gets literallly whatever he wants

#tankprivelage

[broken hatch]

Are your account linked on raider.io ? It tend to help showing a diffrent char with high score

[solar bramble]

I tried outlaw . . . i'm just horrible at it.

it does. and I had it setup last season. but connected to this guy as the main one lol.

it takes a couple weeks. and byt he time it kicks in i'll probably have the same io. or similar

at least last time I connected them it took at least a week to start showing

[versed gulch]

It does feel bad on some pulls when the tank is beating my Rogue. But overall it always evens out.

[solar bramble]

thankfully that very rarely happens. .. i'd need to probably die

but that's possibly the quality of tanks i'm playing with

and how . . . non dps focused they are

[quartz locust]

me when I first switched to sin this season not realizing you can spread bleeds past the initial 3

[versed gulch]

Get a good VDH rolling and they can pump

[solar bramble]

oh i play vdh i know they can do a lot. but i still usually beat it with ruptures/garrotes and getting the spatter + 4 piece rolling

but if it all dies too quickly. then it's possible.

and if they get a good spread on fiery brand. into dev plus sigil of flame. is a lot of upfront damage.

[versed gulch]

It makes a huge difference if the group is pulling around CDs vs just pulling mobs too

[solar bramble]

esp once they laern to big white sigil > spirit bomb > spirit bomb > immo > spirit bomb. . . with brands spread

3 full spirit bombs in a short span. with all other stuff active already. it's pretty spikey

msot vdh waste a lot of their souls.

on the damage side at least. can't waste their healing

[thorn fjord]

With externals Ash is like .2 behind branches for my load out

Happy about that... My brain slow

Kept fucking up the orbs

Allocating too much brain power to grabbing orbs always fucked up my opener lol

So we're ash gaming now

[clever niche]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[fervent jasper]

Why is raidbots simming my stats in dslice like this

Vers top 2ndary?

[quick wedge]

Ashes or branch is better for m+?

[spice spire]

You have branch?

[fervent jasper]

yeah

And egg shell

[spice spire]

That explains mastery

Haste was always meh

Do you have a shit ton of crit?

And not a ton of vers?

[fervent jasper]

I have 5% vers and 43% crit

[spice spire]

Hey we got there across all of it

[neat plank]

I dont trust dslice sims, I just gear for max single target dps 🙂

[spice spire]

Tldr no bad stats. Your stat priorities change nonstop.
When you heavily index in x, ys value will grow

Just use robot think less about secondaries. They don’t matter a ton

[fervent jasper]

I think crit would overtake vers in a key because I'd have a vers phial on

and theyre simming so close

[grim jay]

Eww

A vers phial gamer

[spice spire]

No think only robot

Also you can sim with vers phial

[neat plank]

can't wait till we get new better phials, I'm getting really tired of always being green and taking damage

[fervent jasper]

You use the one that does damage to you?

I aint risking that

[neat plank]

well once you go back to vers from crit, your dps is so flat you can't play like that anymore

its not just a worse stat, theres a lot less of it 🙂

[grim jay]

Ye like most people that push high

The selfdamage is a joke

Im alchi aswell anyways, which makes it even more of one

[tardy nacelle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[silent berry]

Im new to assa (rogue generally). Question about pooling…do we always pool energy outside of cds till 1-2 sek of envelop left?

[slate crown]

gm

[slate crown]

!pooling - essentially yes

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[slate crown]

You will have lots of time spent autoattacking and waiting for energy, no matter what in single target with assassination. The key is to properly pick when those moments are, by following the above

[silent berry]

Feels bad to wait and doing auto attacking. That’s the reason I was asking.

[slate crown]

It's just part of the spec. I personally don't think it feels bad, but that's a preference thing. It feels good to me to press my buttons when it makes sense to be pressed, rather than just every gcd. It adds a layer of finesse which I like

I can understand it feeling jarring if you've come from another class that does always have something to press

[plucky canopy]

I think it is actually really cool, as u can play around downtimes without loosing to much or almost any dps (charge of larodar for example)

It is sometimes harder to not press any button (mostly because it is so common to always pressing something), but I think the gameflow atm is kinda nice

[ivory gust]

Is there a simple way different amounts of secondaries

[plucky canopy]

And if u want something spammi you can always go spec outlaw for a bit until you are satisfied 🤷‍♂️

[tawny badger]

is it possible to envenom on max CP (6sec buff) -> then refresh rupture. And cast another envenom while u still have envenom-buff ?

or its always chain loss ?
or maybe i have not enought haste...

[silent berry]

That’s exactly my problem. Always want to press a button. Need to train not to press

[plucky canopy]

It is possible

[tawny badger]

ah. env buff has pandemic. so i can have not 6 but 7 seconds

[plucky canopy]

Yes and you can proc cp with mutilate

[tardy nacelle]

I imported Whispyr Edit for Rogue UI but I cannot get to work Trinket tracking procs

Anyone faced same issuue?

[slate crown]

I don't understand the question. Can you rephrase?

[slate crown]

Which trinket?

[ivory gust]

If i want to sim my dps with 4000 mastery instead of say 4000 crit. Without having to make a new gearset

[tardy nacelle]

I have Pips, and porcelain crab for trinkets - I want to track the when the procs are UP

[slate crown]

Does whispyr's group have a weakaura that tries to track those procs? I imagine it doesn't, I don't in my group either

[tardy nacelle]

there is something like that

[slate crown]

Those are trinket cooldowns

not procs

[tardy nacelle]

ahh

[slate crown]

If you want to make an aura for that it would be pretty simple

[tardy nacelle]

btw is it worth to track these procs and align main burst with it?

[thorny pond]

Negative

[tardy nacelle]

or you just smash head on keyboard doing opener -> and standard rotation

[slate crown]

Nope, not a reason to track them, your burst is aligned with your burst ability cds.

[tardy nacelle]

oh oke

[slate crown]

I don't track procs of any items or trinkets or enchants, you don't hold cds or anything for any of that

[maiden cliff]

I just lost 4k off my sim haven't changed anything?

[slate crown]

When was the last time you ran?

[maiden cliff]

today in the morning

is this the nerf showing now

because to be fair even after the nerf my sim was the same

[slate crown]

The nerf is in place but it's been in place for a bit

it's been in the sims since tuesday

It should not have been, you would have lost more than 4k

Are you running weekly? Nightly?

[thorny pond]

PI turned on?
WFT on?

[slate crown]

Make sure your sim is running nightly or latest, not weekly

[maiden cliff]

I always run nightly

[silver summit]

is crimson tempest only worth it in fortified week?

[slate crown]

My only thoughts are A) it is weird that this would be the case and makes me wonder if something else is up with the reports you ran, and then B) are you sure nothing has changed in your inputs?

[slate crown]

CT is worth it if you want it to be worth it on all weeks. There are builds that work and take it and builds that don't and both are viable on both fort and tyran

[maiden cliff]

I am at work in the office so just doing quick sims to check which gear is better the only difference is I updated a few pieces so my item level went up

I am re-simming the old one to see what happens

[jaunty warren]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[rapid mirage]

I have a really bad habit of forgetting I have CT in keys. Unless I'm in a 24+, i barely have time to get to it

[rotund oak]

ive got a certain screenshot of a certain bigboi sin rogue lurkin in here of a certain +24 key doing turbo swamp dps and im not afraid to use it(u know who u are 😄 )

[woven frost]

Can’t determine if “turbo swamp” is really good or really bad

[rapid mirage]

I like swamps, so i think its good?

[rotund oak]

good thing dont happen in swamp brother

[rotund oak]

u are a crocodile 😄

[woven frost]

I mean alligators are pretty neat.

[rapid mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/peterpan-disney-croc-crocodile-happy-gif-4581911

[limber lion]

Right so Envenom includes 4p in the logs. Also a +28 is a bit different to the keys most people do. 99% people will have Garrote as their top damage because everything dies so quickly.

[maiden cliff]

same sim from yesterday now 7k lower when re-ran

doesnt make sense nothing has changed

[normal mist]

i've been tackling 20's this week and man this has been pretty "fun". Didnt want to finish the last "serious" patch without playing more seriously. (it aint nothing special, im just happy to time them)

And yeah, FATED patch doesnt bring anything really new, so i dont plan on putting effort into that patch

[steel ridge]

We don’t know what it brings

[normal mist]

wont bring a new raid

thats pretty much guaranteed

and i'm not the biggest fan of m+

[mighty nexus]

blasphemy

[normal mist]

also no new PvP or PvE tmogs

So afaik, it will be pretty close to what SL fated s4 was, maybe one or two new things

[steel ridge]

Your crystal ball is running hot, take care

Even tho it’s probably going to be like that

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/julesmaru-really-gif-20304655

[rotund oak]

fated might be the best time to actually enjoy wow

[normal mist]

Nah i didnt enjoy sl s4

[steel ridge]

SL fated was actually banger

[normal mist]

the only good thing about it was having 2 edges

[rotund oak]

im actually happy for this season and the next one

its very promising and fun

[normal mist]

this season is a banger, im loving it

[rotund oak]

has good catchup mechanics for alts

wow is actually cool to play rn

[normal mist]

^

[rotund oak]

btw is it confirmed that we are not having another raid

in next season

[steel ridge]

wait till you realize how good caustic will be in vault

[rotund oak]

my vault cant be worse than now

i used no piece from it till now

nothing

18 tokens

[steel ridge]

vault of The incarnates

[normal mist]

he meant the raid

[rotund oak]

ah

[normal mist]

xD

[rotund oak]

lmao

[steel ridge]

Bozo

[rotund oak]

[steel ridge]

Caustic goes all tits in vault

[frigid kestrel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steel ridge]

Like almost every fight has something big to cleave down little stuff from

[rotund oak]

outlaw tier

[steel ridge]

Eranog, sennarth, council, kurog, stormlady, razzy

[bold nova]

wtf is this shit

can this fucking druid fuck off

[umbral pike]

Is there a BiS list somewhere? I havent done retail stuff in awhile but wanna get back into it

[wide ferry]

after a week w witherbark branch ive decided i absolutely fucking hate it

[normal mist]

Dont follow a bis list to specific farm items, SIM your gear in raidbots

[steel ridge]

Join team embersoul

[wide ferry]

Rotation, potions, trinkets, boss mechanics, and bleeds i already have to track. Now i have to lineup these floating balls w my cds? I need more fingaz

[normal mist]

Some items have huge value, like nick of time dagger, branch trinket, but other than that, just sim your gear as you get more of it

[umbral pike]

hm okay

I just wanted a general list of whato aim for

what stat prio should I be lookin at

[merry perch]

How much energy are we pooling to outside of CDs for the envenom chaining?

Resources just say "pool" but if there an optimal amount of energy

[steel ridge]

About 80%

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[slate crown]

You want to aim for ilvl, our stats are very similar. The only targetted items are Nick of Time from Fall, and trinkets. Otherwise item level is all you need.

[slim pebble]

I was going to make a joke about the BIS list neck not simming well for me but I didn’t want to be murdered IRL by Whispyr, he’s pretty sneaky

[normal mist]

Yeah keep it low

ahahah

[merry perch]

Silly question, is that 80 energy or 80% of the 300 energy pool lol

[slim pebble]

80% of the 300

[steel ridge]

240+

Very stupid question for real… 80 energy is pooling for you? Thats being fucking broke

energy depleted

[thorn fjord]

Eh not really

but you wanna be higher than 80 energy

[thorn fjord]

He's sleeping

nows your chance

[thorn fjord]

i usually wait till im sitting at about 150 energy to get the party rolling again

But if i know im slamming DM soon and have a tea coming off CD i'll start it sooner

[slim pebble]

It’s very hard for me to pool lol. I just wanna press buttons so tiny pixels will make me happy

[thorn fjord]

Bro i dont do the whole wait till env buff is at 1s thing

Fuck all that i dont have the patience

So i play around making sure the buff just doesnt drop

only time is if im sub 80 energy before KB is coming back up

and i'll kind hold off to get the sequence going

[slim pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-out-window-suicide-quit-gif-14954656

Speaking of KB the dragon in a falls I ran last night died a ms before my last KB was gonna hit and I wanted to

[zealous niche]

Is anyone who's using Whispyr's Plater profile know what causes the nameplate to flash? I've been trying to find the setting to turn it off but I'm not able to find the option.

[manic quartz]

flash white?

[zealous niche]

yes

[manic quartz]

yes i had this problem, ill try find the solution if i can, because i cant remember from on top of my mind

[craggy sparrow]

!sim

[manic quartz]

#assassination message

But im fairly sure whispyr updated his profile after that, have you updated it recently?

[zealous niche]

ah I have not

[ornate wagon]

Hi I got a big problem in assa, sometimes when I am out of tea. I got some period with running out of energy and I drastically go down in spa because I can’t simply do any comp.

Is there a haste cap to have ?

[zealous niche]

Thanks, I'll update the WA and see if I'm still having the issue! If not I'll follow those instructions.

[umbral pike]

so are the wowhead and icyvein guides actually legit

[harsh anchor]

You gotta pool brother

[manic quartz]

no

[manic quartz]

yes, wowhead atleast

[ornate wagon]

No it’s quite not enough as an answer xD

[manic quartz]

😄 sorry

just pool i guess

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[ornate wagon]

So it’s normal to have those empty periods?

I have just have to maintain the 4P ?

[manic quartz]

yes, sometimes you just sit there and refresh bleeds untill you are at 80% energy and then start the chain again

during pooling you dont maintain 4p

[north jetty]

Anyone running acrobatic strikes on Larodar?

Myth

Mythic*

[tulip flower]

Hi. I just started back playing after a long break and I feel like a complete noob again. I read all the guides, wated all the videos

and I try to follow the maxing kingsbane dance. But I do dogshit damage. Is there someone who would be offering to look at what I do wrong ?

[north jetty]

Do you shiv before and during?

[tulip flower]

yes

[north jetty]

Do you thistle tea at the end so your final tick gets the mastery buff?

[tulip flower]

yes

[north jetty]

Do you maintain envenom?

[tulip flower]

I try to

I sim at 117000 and get to about 80000 - 90000 sustained

without raid buffs

tier 2 piece

at target dummy for example

[manic quartz]

Do you also sim without raidbuffs?

[tulip flower]

yes

[north jetty]

That doesn’t seem too bad

You’ll get a better sense if you do it in a raid

[tulip flower]

Well I do I am at 6/9 HC

but everybody in raid/m+ complains about my DPS. So I seem to do something wrong

Only PUGs so far

[north jetty]

Link a fight log where you thought you did well but did worse than you expected

[tulip flower]

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/die-silberne-hand/martika

[orchid pewter]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[runic hinge]

Not being ilvl 456 would help

[tulip flower]

I am at 465 wat as 463 or so with that log

[runic hinge]

You don’t have 4 set tho?

[tulip flower]

no

[feral mason]

Nobody in your raid is playing all that great regardless so they really have no reason to whine

[manic quartz]

in that gnarlroot log you dint play spatter for example

[tulip flower]

Yeah just learned about spatter today

[manic quartz]

also used 2x tea back to back almost

[north jetty]

I just checked your logs on a couple fights and your opener is wrong

[whole wing]

hello, I have a question should I use shadow dance at the same time as kingbane or not?

[manic quartz]

yes always together in ST

[whole wing]

ok

[north jetty]

I would go back to the guide and practice it

[whole wing]

thanks

[manic quartz]

looking at whispyrs videos helped me very much

[arctic hare]

Shadow dance BEFORE kingsbane btw

[whole wing]

ok

[grave meadow]

Hey guys for the few rogues out there that has 40+% crit what’s your haste sitting at ? Im at 12% is that to low ?

[feral mason]

sim it

[tulip flower]

Just from your progress. With my gear and the 117 sim. How much should I do in these fights? The logs are hard to compare with the 4set people

[whole wing]

macro
/cast shadow dance
/cast kingsbane

it's good no?

[feral mason]

doing 10-20% under sim is really not terrible

[north jetty]

Yup

[pure sail]

Is there a point when lariat becomes better than boots in keys ?

[feral mason]

Theres definitely things to be improved in rotation but

[pure sail]

Than patch sorry *

[whole wing]

thanks

[feral mason]

Just get gear and you’ll do the same dps or more than those complaining bums

[north jetty]

But your rotation, including your opener, needs work. I recommend going into your logs, selecting your character, then the cast tab and timeline. Then compare that to the opener that is in the guide along with the rotation.

[stiff geyser]

really struggling with cd usage in M+ and general importance of DOTs on mobs

[north jetty]

If you do that, you’ll see your opener is wrong

[stiff geyser]

is it most important to get caustic up after garrote/rupture or tempest

[feral mason]

just clone the opener in guide

tempest way later than spatter

[stiff geyser]

got it

thanks

[north jetty]

Often times there isn’t enough time to use the full opener as it is written in the guide for mythic plus. I will usually just come out of stealth pop a couple garottes, rupture and then Kings Bay the highest health target

[stiff geyser]

how liberal should i be with vanish?

[north jetty]

Honestly, Crimson Tempest is like your lowest priority

[feral mason]

I just use it alongside deathmark at the end of the dm kb

[manic quartz]

buff CT

[feral mason]

and if tank does stupid chain where i cant use dm kb

i use vanish to proc ic

[stiff geyser]

dm kb?

whats the dm

[manic quartz]

death mark

[north jetty]

I also typically save my vanish for chain, pulling

[stiff geyser]

ah

[feral mason]

deathmark kingsbane

[thorn fjord]

@runic hinge

[feral mason]

idk i just scream at tank on discord when hes about to do stupid chain

fuck em

[stiff geyser]

ic = ?

[north jetty]

Honestly, assassination is a tricky play style for mythic plus

[feral mason]

indiscriminate carnage

[runic hinge]

[stiff geyser]

got it

yeah outlaw is a lot simpler

but i like to change it up

[thorn fjord]

OL is less forgiving tho

[stiff geyser]

and ive gotten way more mastery gear

[feral mason]

ye sorry i use all the shortening stuff because typing on phone is annoying

[manic quartz]

yeah, the hardest part is that DH/BM just blows everything up before you get your AoE going on xD

[north jetty]

You are, unfortunately, committing to using your brain a lot if you play assassination in mythic plus

[feral mason]

whats the command for all the acronyms

[thorn fjord]

I think Sin in theory is easier than OL in keys only because you can fuck up a bit and still blast like crazy

OL if you fuck up a GCD you're a wet noodle

[arctic socket]

Big brain, spec pure ST and let your dh / bm handle aoe

It’s nice

Caustic splatter still does a good bit in pulls

[thorn fjord]

For that just play Sub in keys

[feral mason]

i just run ap ic build and still do aight aoe

And then execute the fuck out of bosses

[neat plank]

thats what I do, except I dont care who my teammates are I still spec ST

[feral mason]

on tyr

[north jetty]

Yeah, depending on the situation, I will sometimes not even use cool downs on a pack if they’re up because I know that the BM hunter and the Demon hunter have shit rolling instantly and by the time I get my KB off, the pack is almost dead

[arctic socket]

I haven’t ran much sub is it good?

[feral mason]

nein

[stiff geyser]

is sub competetive in M+ anymore? I havent seen anyone playing it

[tulip flower]

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NCgxLp4fbwMmZzk8#fight=14&type=casts&source=4&view=timeline
This looks about right compared to the guides I have seen. The only thing I think I missed here is the vanish 3sec before kingsbane runs out. Or what am I not seeing in opening sequence ?

[arctic socket]

Like a pure st build like you’re doing raid?

[thorn fjord]

St is pretty amazing but its meh on packs

[feral mason]

sub gotta get black powder 300% buff pls

[neat plank]

nah with IC and iron wire

[arctic socket]

Which was is ic

[thorn fjord]

I feel like if you're going to full ST in keys Sub may be the better play

[arctic socket]

Is that spread

[neat plank]

indiscriminate carnage

[feral mason]

The ap ic build is fine

[arctic socket]

Ahhh kk

[feral mason]

still does more aoe than sub so

[solar bramble]

what is the daggers droprate :(. my god lol

[feral mason]

50%

[arctic socket]

Yeah I’m farming 17s I don’t believe I could even aoe spec if I wanted

[north jetty]

Well, you missed thistle tea and vanish in your opener

[arctic socket]

Packs die way way way to quickly

[marble bear]

As an outlaw curious into dipping into sin do you two nick of times can carry my horrendous stat weights?

[solar bramble]

idk how 50% is realistic. . . . the probabiltiy of me missing it this often would be unrealistic

[feral mason]

stats arent massively impacting

[woven frost]

We like all stats

[feral mason]

either you get it or you dont

50/50

[solar bramble]

lol that . . . . isn't how it works

[marble bear]

I have the crit and haste I'm just massicly invested into verse thanks to outlaw

[arctic socket]

50 / 50 you get it or you don’t

[solar bramble]

it's actual drop rate 😦

[feral mason]

this guy cant math man

[arctic socket]

Luck of the draw

[feral mason]

[arctic socket]

Well

[woven frost]

Someone ran preliminary numbers and it was less than 5%

[solar bramble]

shows .3% on wowhead

[feral mason]

The droprate just feels shit because only rogues can loot it

so you barely see it

its not some crazy insane special rare drop

just feels that way

[woven frost]

I think weapons in general just drop less often

[arctic socket]

It’s like any other item when yoj want it badly it never drops

[tawdry flint]

I was in your position a few weeks ago, slowly started gathering pieces with better stats whilst learning and watching whyspers videos. Then once it clicked I’ve switched full sin and never looked back, having a lot more fun

[arctic socket]

When you don’t care about it

It always drops

[manic quartz]

Also you should prolly always garrote after dance/kb, [env-(DM)-shiv dance/kb-gar-env ->

[harsh galleon]

Is double 483 nicks better then one nick and 489 carver dagger ?

[strange python]

tindral/fyrakk are sin or sub fights?

[solar bramble]

wish i was the opposite of good at outlaw and pick up sin . . . but i'm horrifyingly bad at outlaw. it's embarrasingly bad

[arctic socket]

What did your sim tell you

[feral mason]

sim it, for me it was

But might be stat dependant

[north jetty]

This is actually huge

[dusk palm]

i've gotten 5

[solar bramble]

i've been running this dungeon for a few days now. and not seen one

[harsh galleon]

My sims change every time I sim quite annoying

[feral mason]

Got 2 from 4 runs and then 489 from my vault this week

[arctic socket]

I mean this in the kindness way I can, but fuck you

[feral mason]

[marble bear]

I dont think I'd drop outlaw I like the flavor too much . However I'd like something to mix it up sometimes

[past forum]

Relative stat weights are incredibly close for assa. I adjusted some of my assa gear for outlaw in keys and I lost very minimal dps for assa

[arctic socket]

What m ever the robot tells you is higher dps use that

[solar bramble]

i mean it in a far less kind way . . . fuck you

[manic quartz]

Also also you didnt have envenom up before going to your CD's

[arctic socket]

But I would use the 489 mh with the 483 oh

[solar bramble]

but playfully so

[north jetty]

That’s because every change in stats changes your stat priority. Don’t obsess too much over new gems and enchants if you’re worried about the gold.

[dusk palm]

didn't even run that many

[solar bramble]

now that is just really fcking lucky

[arctic socket]

My fall runs has 2 pages

[dusk palm]

i got a champ one in my first ever run, then two hero ones back to back last week. then i've seen one drop in both of my 22s

[feral mason]

got mine here

[arctic socket]

I got my first Nicholas from a 16 when I helped a guildie

I hate him

[north jetty]

Nothing worse. I refuse to run fall under an 18.

[dusk palm]

@north jetty only need 17

[arctic socket]

^

[dusk palm]

18 is for vault, 17 for end of dungeon

[empty pilot]

anyone willing to help explain to me what I'm looking for in terms of fundamental damage breakdown in details after a ST fight? This is an +19 Iridkiron fight

[gentle belfry]

If sin without PI is simming higher than sub, is it still worth swapping to sub for mythic prog (if I'm not getting PI)

[north jetty]

Exactly

[empty pilot]

like is there anything that's easily identifiable that I'm doing wrong in terms of damage from abilities?

[arctic socket]

Could you click on your auras

[empty pilot]

yeah sure one moment

[dusk palm]

I mean if you're not doing 8 or more 18+s a week I feel you, but most people doing keys actively are probably doing more than that and 17s are ez farm

[arctic socket]

I don’t see anything

Besides you not having a flavor pocket

[unique sorrel]

Play whichever you’re better at

[empty pilot]

going to be honest with you, i don't even know what that is lol

top ramen?

xD

[arctic socket]

The buff you put on gear to keep well fed buff threw death

[empty pilot]

I haven't leveled my professions yet if that matters

[arctic socket]

Nah

It’s just crafted gear

Just some qol

[empty pilot]

ohhhh ok I do remember that now. I'll look into it, thank you

[unique sorrel]

Which build are you running? Cause Kb should be giga massive in st for iridikron

[empty pilot]

cleave with ToT

[arctic socket]

Well that log he posted isn’t for iridikron

It’s overall

[unique sorrel]

Oh

Well that’d explain that lel

[empty pilot]

i dont recall any grave mistakes rotation wise during KB timeline on ST but my CD management throughout the dungeon definitely needs work. Still trying to figure out timing and sending big 3 on CD a lot more than I was

[arctic socket]

22m would be massive damage

For one boss

[manic quartz]

i cant remember who it was but someone here said he just slams everything on CD and does just fine 😄

[arctic socket]

One thing you will learn

If the add can live the cd

Send it

[dusk palm]

thats the whole dungeon not iridikron. your iron wire uptime is really bad meaning you're not garroting from stealth nearly enough.

[empty pilot]

yeah I think that's probably a good general advice but there are times where my CDs come up where we're cleaning up a large pull and timing is just bad so I save on that

[unique sorrel]

If you’re gonna hold the CD for more than 2 mins send it

[arctic socket]

If the pack is going to die and won’t leave the cd save it

[unique sorrel]

Holding CDs is a waste

[arctic socket]

Play like you’re playing shade week

Where you have to press vanish / dance to get improved garrote up

[unique sorrel]

If you’re not padding you’re not playing

[arctic socket]

[empty pilot]

ok, that's helpful. I usually open garrote,garrote, rupture and get into Caustic Splatter and FoK/Envenom/ maintain Splatter. Is there a better way in general?

[dusk palm]

you might think you're doing it, but you're not mashing stealth between packs

[unique sorrel]

!stealth

Damn it

[dusk palm]

or getting your vanihes off

[unique sorrel]

What’s the funny stealth command

[empty pilot]

also I didn't mean to post overall, just Irid but I'm trying to figure it out now

[lofty juniper]

Question - I've been playing outlaw in prog (at Nymue atm) and have full outl bis (crit + vers). I tried sin w/o PI or aug at my guild's request (demand) and my dps was dogshit, way below outl. 99% sure my rotation was spotless. Is it even worth playing poorly geared, no PI, no aug, sin?

[arctic socket]

What was your dps

[empty pilot]

this should be just Iridikron sorry

[arctic socket]

That’s the

[thorn fjord]

Sin pretty mid without externals... Using your gear set Sub could yield better results

[lofty juniper]

170k - 180k iirc

[arctic socket]

What’s your outlaw dps?

[dusk palm]

for reference @empty pilot my iron wire uptime by % is ~triple yours

[lofty juniper]

190k to 200k, dependant on BTE procs

[arctic socket]

Honestly 170-180k dps seems really good if you’re not getting externals

[lofty juniper]

My outl consistently outdps-es sin yet I keep being told to play assassination bc "muh look at statistics on wlog"

[manic quartz]

lmao, just play what you want and let em complain :3

[thorn fjord]

Tell them if they want you playing sin you're gonna atleast need PI

[arctic socket]

^

[lofty juniper]

I've started gearing sin ofc

[thorn fjord]

Even with gear you're going to want the externals

[lofty juniper]

Bc I know I'm probs gonna be funnelled exts once we hit dps checks

[arctic socket]

Next time they tell you that tell them to get a better group comp for you

[thorn fjord]

Otherwise just play Sub

[arctic socket]

[empty pilot]

ok, im taking a look at my own one sec. I started 99% of trash fights in stealth.. tank was pretty polite and aware about this so I'm not sure why they're so low

[lofty juniper]

Yeah I mained sub last tier and am feeling tempted to play it again

Atm I'm just vibing as law

[thorn fjord]

OL gear set is the same

And sub doesnt require externals

So that could be your solution

[lofty juniper]

Fair point

[arctic socket]

Is sub that much better over assassin without externals?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

Especially after nerfs

[empty pilot]

can you post how many garrotes you had? should be right under the ironwire

[arctic socket]

I raid in a group without any damage buffs (pi windfury totem, Aug,)

[thorn fjord]

Sub Sims 10k higher than my sin sims without externals

Sin pulls ahead with externals tho

but barely

[arctic socket]

So if I don’t have group damage buffs play sub

The build your playing for sub

Is it dust playstyle?

[lofty juniper]

I feel like most ppl just open wlogs rankings, see assa rogue at the top and go insta ape mode talking shit about any other spec

[thorn fjord]

yeah

similar playstyle to S2 only you're sending Symbol with SB

and rupturing during dance

But after tuesdays nerfs sub is much more "viable"

Not that it wasnt before

But the gap has shortened

[arctic socket]

I like getting compared to other rogues logs by my guild mate, they are doing 40-45k more dps but get pi ebon might and totem buff

feels good man

[thorn fjord]

How do you guys not have atleast one of those lol

[arctic socket]

Dude

The raid group is like majority

Bm

We have 6 bm hunters

[dusk palm]

152 to your 84 i believe.

with 82 silences to your 21

[past forum]

that was us up until last tier. luckily half of them either rerolled or left. i swapped off druid for raiding cause my guild's mystic token is an absolute warzone XD

[dusk palm]

weird tier to swap off for token lol

turns out everyone gets 4 pc for free week 3

[arctic socket]

Dude I just want buffs

I wanna see my opener go above 300k

[dusk palm]

buff WW. BRM is competitive for dam in keys

[arctic socket]

Let my kb pump

[past forum]

no i swapped in vault when mystic token gamers had 0-1 piece and zenith gamers were DE'ing heroic pieces. the token wasn't really the reason i swapped tho, i was just kinda meme'ing

[dusk palm]

true

[tulip flower]

@manic quartz @north jetty Thanks for now. Will double and triple check my rotations. Somehow I feel like these rotation things will edge out mybe 10.000DPS on top max but still it feels far too low overall compared wht is expected from me at the gear level so I still wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong.

[arctic socket]

Make sure you always get your kb window / opener perfect

That’s where a lot of our dps comes from

[solar bramble]

so much of our dps is kingbane. . . to such a point that using Thistle tea even a second or two early is dramatic

it's very specific

[normal mist]

So i just found out i hate everbloom 2nd and 3rd boss in tyrannical.

[solar bramble]

I dislike darkheart thicket 1st boss more tbh

[normal mist]

EB/DHT/RISE are my last 20's to complete

[solar bramble]

but everbloom 2nd boss jsut says fck you to any kingsbane window wh ich sucks

[normal mist]

EB went super bad

[tulip flower]

Do you all use some weak auras or other UI tools to see the runtime of the kingsbane/DoTs? I find it super hard to time with the small icons on the default UI

[narrow coral]

Wanted to chime on on this... I have an Aug that refuses to actually buff me and I'll never see PI from the priests we have because of... spousal/friend bias. Would sub be better?

[north jetty]

Your cooldown windows are the most important thing

[brazen zodiac]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[solar bramble]

i have a kingsbane tracker

by noter

notter

[arctic socket]

Yeah

[solar bramble]

it's a WA that only pops up during kingsbane. and tracks kingsbane

[arctic socket]

It would be

[solar bramble]

sub would be 100% better. if you never get buffs ya.

[north jetty]

I use this dude, just be careful not to shiv or KB early

[solar bramble]

outlaw probably is too. if you like that kinda thing

[sick owl]

Hello!
macro Question! 😄
sometimes I want to mutilate even though I have a blindside proc and its changed my regular mutilate hotkey to ambush.
curious how to make a macro for mutilate that does not change on blindside procs so that I can always ensure caustic spatter uptime

[solar bramble]

theirs a little light that flashes when it hits the thresholds for them

[normal mist]

you want to ambush if there's an ambush there

[north jetty]

I must have an old one then?

[arctic socket]

Ambush puts on spatter

[sick owl]

Did not KNOW THAT!

ty

[solar bramble]

it's a small one. something very minor. like a glowy circle going outwards.

I didn't even notice it for the first long while. till i started paying closer attention

it's very small. hard to notice unless looking for it. but once you see it, you start noticing it every time

[arctic socket]

Make sure you also remember to shiv during your kb window the second time

Don’t be like me and forget

[solar bramble]

I often mutilate > shiv > envenom in the 2nd half.

or sh iv > mutilate if i need shiv first

it's better to shiv at 6 seconds than 8 seconds though. so error on the side of using it a tid later than you think. if you aren't comfy with it

[tulip flower]

I never needed to use any addon during BfA or Classic to be top dps. I feel like this is not a good direction. However, I do not find that at curseforge. Never used WA. Do I find that somewhere else ?

[solar bramble]

you want that last kingsbane tick in

[solar bramble]

you dont' need it even for kingsbane. it's just good for us plebs who can't just feel out the timer

[royal lantern]

i mean, you still dont, just track your kb duration

if you want

[arctic socket]

Once you get used to doing it a lot of times on prog

[solar bramble]

WA are very very good to have. basically better action and buff bars than the game has innately.

[arctic socket]

It’s becomes muscle memory

[tulip flower]

The icon is just too tiny to time the 3s vanish window

[regal kiln]

Is it mandatory to have seperate keybind for ambush and mutilate ?

[solar bramble]

my combo points are too inconsistent. for me to have the same muscle memory. so I watch the tracker

no it is not

not anymore at least

[regal kiln]

ty

[arctic socket]

If you’re able to ambush

You press ambush

[solar bramble]

unless you are using sepsis.

which we arent

for sepsis you want them separate. so you dont' accidently stealth bar an ambush over garrote. . but that's only if you use sepsis

[arctic socket]

Don’t use step sis

[solar bramble]

i'm not touching that with a 10 foot poll

pole*

[arctic socket]

Last time I googled step sis rotation something very different popped up

[shadow tulip]

I see, research purposes?

[arctic socket]

No I just wanted to see what all the talk was about stepsis in s2

[solar bramble]

sepsis . . . .

[shy pecan]

lol yeah, spelling is crucial

[arctic socket]

Yeah

Auto correct

[dusk palm]

Why are you regularly typing stepsis

Bc nothing will autocorrect to it on my end

[midnight mist]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[south wing]

she keeps getting stuck in dryer, so he has to google how to get her out

[thorn fjord]

Who summoned Zac

[arctic socket]

[calm ravine]

Does anyone tried to proc Ashes of the Embersoul damage proc at pull together with branch buff? For example mythic Igira, you can stand at first set of spears and get damaged and proc Blazing Soul with approximately the same timing as branch buff.

[velvet ridge]

Do you guys push all season, or just afk now till last month

[indigo heath]

How big are branch and the KoT daggers? I’m getting boned by the loot gods. Debating if I should keep farming those two mythics

[vast loom]

keep up the farm its worth it

im settled on mythic igira dagger + hero nick

[royal lantern]

embersoul in raids needs teammates too die iirc

[runic hinge]

My opinion is to not burn yourself out

[raven egret]

Another day, another rant from guildies arguing that I'm broken to hell and need my spec to be deleted from the game XD

[wide ferry]

in aoe/cleave settings, when exactly are we swapping targets....do we do 3 garrotes on the same target, meaning it will continue to smartcast onto the diferent surrounding enemies? Im so lost on this.

[raven egret]

But yeah dungeon farm.... I got 'lucky' after several dozen runs in Fall, but I still recommend to set yourself a limit

burning out on dungeon doesnt help anyone

[ocean jacinth]

Yo swapping from outlaw to ass in raid. How fucked am I if I don't have mastery and a shitload of verse? Read the WH pawn string and it looks like verse is weighted a lot lower than other stats

[shy pecan]

(1) Don't worry about stats for sin. Just get as much ilvl as you can.
(2) Stop using pawn strings...

[wide ferry]

Like my opener in m+ is three garrotes (6 and up enemies) But on the same target, then i FOK, rup, fok,rup,fok, rup then muti for caustic...like when am i swapping to diff targets.

[raven egret]

Well, if the other targets are going to live long enough to warrant refreshing bleeds, you refresh bleeds. That said, cleaving off a primary target is the main thing, so spatter off a mob that will let you do that for a bit

All praise the Abominations in Everbloom, they respect our need for a prio target to cleave off from

[manic quartz]

this right here, so many mobs dont respect us

[wide ferry]

I feel like my dps is shit and im i476 and i have no idea why.

[empty lava]

ye abomination on forti is my boy

always ready to spread

[latent dew]

why assa feels so good to play right now

[raven egret]

Rework gave us better access to utility, and options. Goes a very long way making it more fun!

[latent dew]

Also caustic spatter is a dot on a target or an self buff?

[raven egret]

Dots are auras, debuff auras to be clear. Spatter is also a debuff on target He edited!

[latent dew]

Shh i edited xDD

Anyways so i can tab target applying such debuff and make a party?

[raven egret]

nope, Caustic is a single target only, if you swap it to another target, it will be removed from the first. So you pick one dude and go ham on that dude

[fickle latch]

Where can i see a updated chart of class APM ?

[latent dew]

Sad, it would be funny tbh

[calm ravine]

So, in raid Blazing Soul procs only on deaths?

[solar bramble]

grieftorch 2.0?

i need me parse. healer grip this guy over here to his death. ty

[waxen oyster]

you guys dont have warriors and dhs who charge in and die on pull?

[balmy condor]

grieftorch except you need 2/3rds of your raid to die

[raven egret]

Yeah I need the Demo lock in my raid to stop imploding on Igara's spears, ty.

[solar bramble]

2/3? . . . worth the sacrifice. if boss still dies

who knows maybe it'll even give me a better kill timer 🙂

[waxen oyster]

if grieftorch did anything

[solar bramble]

2 birds. and only costs 2/3 the raid

[waxen oyster]

it made me hyper aware which ranged were out in africa

when they die and i get 0 torch reset

[raven egret]

Yeah they should have the courtesy of dying close enough

[waxen oyster]

because ranged players either are in the worst spot max range

[raven egret]

proper raid etiquette

[waxen oyster]

or in melee range griefing melee

no in between

[calm ravine]

so what the condition finaly for Blazing Soul in raid?

[storm hedge]

Are the sims going to 5+ CP for envenom before rupture? So the Envenom chain doesn't break? Cause sometimes on 4CP envenom you get unlucky and can't keep the chain.

[balmy condor]

last I heard it was 2/3rds of your group died

[balmy condor]

no

[solar bramble]

the order was . . envenom > deathmark > shiv > dance + kinsgane > garrote > envenom?

[cinder quartz]

Can someone help me understand how the poison application chance works? Are all the talents/buffs additive or multiplicative? For example does envenom just cancel out DTB's downside? Does Imp Poisons turn it from 30% -> 35%?

[arctic socket]

Whispyr in your guide you say to garrote / ambush then rupture, is there ever a situation where it’s better to slice n dice before the rupture?

Like could you garrote, snd, garrote ambush rupture

[cinder quartz]

i imagine imp garroting twice in a row is a waste of a gcd

and rupture getting an extra tick or two of damage probably outweighs SnD being up for a few seconds

[strange python]

also u apply empowered rupture by nightstalker

[bleak sun]

Wasnt it the previous opener in SL to gar snd gar mut flag rupt & Cie ?

[cinder quartz]

so true kevin james with tits

[runic hinge]

You can't ambush there because subterfuge will have run out

[austere flame]

how much dps do you actually lose if you dont kite the last orb on branch trinket

[runic hinge]

and you're snapshotting the rupture with NS that's why you do the opener gar>amb>rupture

[calm ravine]

Found in logs, procced on 8/20 people dead ) Pretty useless trinq then.

[balmy condor]

ah they bumped it to 1/3rd

interesting

[calm ravine]

and it replaces your on use buff, so cant get both on use and proc

[balmy condor]

yeah

they did that to remove the cheesee

cause people were stacking them

[haughty lily]

do wait does that mean its better to refresh the rupture or get another enevenom off during vanish for long boss fights?

[plain onyx]

while playing Arterial build, in an AOE situation, do i use shiv outside of kb+sd or just leave it for my cds ? I'm asking because of Arterial Precision

[slim hamlet]

generally dont change anything because of build

U can use it if u know u wont be using KB for the next 20ish seconds

but u could also do that without AP

[cinder quartz]

with raging you can probably get away with floating one

and keeping one for end of KB

[solar bramble]

when .. . . y our tempted to race change just for shadowmeld

[stable flint]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[waxen oyster]

dwarf>

or nelf for looks

[solar bramble]

already night elf. but i want that extra vanish

[plain onyx]

thanks a lot

[solar bramble]

if only for dungeons when tanks refuse to not ch ain pull 😦

[waxen oyster]

its not a big deal

[solar bramble]

and they wait for a mob to be liek 15% hp as melee, and run to the next pack carrying it lol

it's annoying af. no iron wire, etc. unless I commit vanish. . . but I don't have that many vanishes

I already use dance just for spread bleeds. kinda forced to

[grim jay]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[waxen oyster]

extra vanish is bigger for outlaw

than sin

[solar bramble]

it's less just about garrote damage. as the influx of energy

from spreading them.

[slim hamlet]

Yea it's definitely more than what that command shows, but it is still not important

[cinder quartz]

i believe the idea is you want to use vanish and dance as your restealth

[slim hamlet]

u get more dmg from chain pulling

than restealthing

[waxen oyster]

you can still multidot

[glad shale]

how big is the assa nerf for st for rogue ?

[slim hamlet]

unless they pull on literal 5% hp

[slim hamlet]

pins

[solar bramble]

multidotting takes a long time to get them all up. relatively speaking compared to a simple restealth

it takes so much longer just to get into energy parody to start going for the actual damage output

[slim hamlet]

idk on spiteful with legit 0 restealths there are maybe 1 or 2 pulls where u dont have dance or vanish

actually 0 problem

[waxen oyster]

energy is a literal non issue in aoe

idk

[solar bramble]

in high keys with mobs that live long enough, or tanks that pull properly sure. very different from 17's

[slim hamlet]

yea thank u

I am talking about 24 not 17

🙂

[cinder quartz]

in low* keys you just let the DH carry (* everyones definition of low varies)

[solar bramble]

it is when pulls last 30 seconds or less. and are chained.

I don't let anyone carry me. drives me insane

[waxen oyster]

i just play outlaw if its 17s

cba

doing a ramp spec

[solar bramble]

I tried . . . . i'm horrid at it

[slim hamlet]

ap in low keys is fun

mob go boom at 20%

[solar bramble]

i've tried many times . .

outlaw elludes me. . .. i'm more likely to pull off sub

[waxen oyster]

i dont play hybrid

XD

[grim jay]

I just play the cleave build

[slim hamlet]

Hybrid feels better on higher keys where u dont get the increased value with AP exploding

But poison bomb seriously needs to be in lower strata

to not fuck up every single mechanic

[solar bramble]

cleave build i'm also using. so much more comfy on these weeks. i'm not instastarved every boss I look at for mroe than 30 seconds

[arctic socket]

I like to pure st

For bosses

And let other classes carry me

Dh / bm aoe goes hard

[waxen oyster]

any key without good kb targets i just play outlaw

i did an eb with 2 dhs

if i played sin for that….

[solar bramble]

wtb being a good outlaw 😦

[arctic socket]

Every thing below a 17 is outlaw key

[slim hamlet]

My favourite right now on tyran is the cursed no scent, no CT build

[solar bramble]

my outlaw ST is like 70-80k . . i'm yikes at that spec

[arctic socket]

Stuff dies way to quickly

[waxen oyster]

idk how the second dh’s 2nd dmg was chaos strike

90% sure thats wrong on aoe

[arctic socket]

Huh

[waxen oyster]

as a class that cleaves everything

[solar bramble]

that's wrong on AoE yes. very much

[arctic socket]

That doesn’t even sound right

[south wing]

what

[solar bramble]

he shouldn't have chaos even in his top 10

[arctic socket]

How is that

[solar bramble]

even when in ST. it's annihilate

[arctic socket]

2nd most

[solar bramble]

it means he's spamming it. and not even using eye beam

[arctic socket]

What type of pepega dh did you group with

[waxen oyster]

idk

[arctic socket]

You poor thing

[solar bramble]

a braind dead numb nuts

[waxen oyster]

the other guy’s was 13th

[south wing]

the pepega-est

[solar bramble]

is bandolier any good?

the diablo 4 trinket

[waxen oyster]

not for sin as much

[solar bramble]

feels tailor made for dh's tbh

[waxen oyster]

do they even use it

[cinder quartz]

while people are here can anyone answer if envenom means 10 poisons would turn into 13, or turn into 20

[solar bramble]

not sure. but it seems like the class it'd work on. since it needs to pass through things

[waxen oyster]

outlaw’s the only good dps spec I’ve seen play bandolier

[solar bramble]

30% increase so 10 > 13.

now if only I could play outlaw

i dont' know how i fuck that spec up as badly as i do. . . . but i do

[waxen oyster]

ww and tanks play it too

[arctic socket]

I can play outlaw aoe

[waxen oyster]

but tanks always play damage trinkets

[arctic socket]

I can’t play it at

[cinder quartz]

if you can play outlaw aoe you can play outlaw st

[solar bramble]

how is sub in low keys? outlaw is basically off limits for me. unless I have someone literally pander walk me through the little missteps i'm making. . . and the several dozen of them

[arctic socket]

All I know is more poisons, = more kb damage

[solar bramble]

it's 30% increase so it'd theoretically be 13

[waxen oyster]

requires tank to do routes for you iirc

[arctic socket]

Good st meh aoe

[cinder quartz]

press guns in vanish pewpew

[waxen oyster]

to optimize

[solar bramble]

honestly it seems like such a simple spec. it's why i'm so damn annoyed at doing so poorly at it

where I can do sin just fine. even if it's arguably more complex

[cinder quartz]

outlaw gets a bad rep as hard, when really its just high apm

[solar bramble]

even havoc I can do fine

[waxen oyster]

its very fast

[solar bramble]

the pace hasn't really bothered me so much. I almost prefer the speed

it's likely something small but hyper impactful that I'm missing or not dong

[plain onyx]

is Hybrid somehow tend to be more into ST build more than Arterial ?

[thorn fjord]

If you miss a GCD you're fucked

[solar bramble]

I be sure to vanish > bte for crackshots

[thorn fjord]

if you BTE at the wrong time you're fucked

[solar bramble]

well ya you can't BTE if you will lose it for crackshot windows

[thorn fjord]

If you're not keeping up optimal rolls youre fucked

[solar bramble]

well you have 3 rolls basically permanently

[cinder quartz]

rtb can be super simplified into "roll if you have 2 buffs with t31"

[thorn fjord]

So its pretty unforgiving

[cinder quartz]

good players will do it right but for general use thats fine

[waxen oyster]

yeah t31 is super nice qol

[solar bramble]

it's also very reactive playstyle wise

[waxen oyster]

sub has dust to worry about

divisive talent haha

[solar bramble]

reacting to if you get bte procs for new bte or if you gotta builder between. or if you should adrenaline for the cp. etc.

[cinder quartz]

outlaw rotation isn't hard but it's definitely fast and reactive due to opportunity/PS

[solar bramble]

sub I can generally do fine with. I do need to get the hang of when to not builder after a fnisher habbituatlly during symbols. it's costing me a little

it's high amounts of rapid fire rng i dont' respond well to. . . probably why my outlaw is trash tier

[waxen oyster]

yeah sub during cds is rapidfire

[solar bramble]

sin has very little rng to it. and you can kind of just muscle memory the open and combo's.

[waxen oyster]

outlaw is kind of rapid fire at all times

[solar bramble]

same with sub

rapid fire is fine. it's rapid fire plus rng that i've never been good at

i can either pay attention to the rng rapid fire and do ok dps, until i die for paying attention to it. or pay attention to the fight and do sh*t for dps

[empty pilot]

@slate crown Are you the one who made the [LE] Kingsbane timeline?

[waxen oyster]

ace chains are worse than sub’s resets

but fun when they happen

[solar bramble]

they are. . . . i acn't look away from it for a moment or I miss one

[cinder quartz]

i wish ace was a little more predictabl

[solar bramble]

sub is similar stat prio isnt' it? crit/mastery

[waxen oyster]

vers mast i thought

[cinder quartz]

like if you know the next BTE will reset rather than this current BTE reset

[solar bramble]

sub combo point you can at least track with a WE

for sub? it was crit/vers later tier ST and crit/master for m+. . . i'm curious now

ya it's mastery/vers > crit

[slate crown]

Yah

what's up

[waxen oyster]

season 2 sub mastery was about even with vers on st

[solar bramble]

at least it's not likely to matter too much. so long as I don't have an obscene amoutn of haste

[waxen oyster]

after the dark brew shift

[solar bramble]

tbf I haven't even crafted my rogues embellishments. . . waiting to do some aspect dungeons with people later tonight/tomorrow

[waxen oyster]

thorn and patch is a general good multispec option

[solar bramble]

i'll be like 95% sin. with the occasional sub

if i play sub it'll be more for rbg's and low keys.

and for the occasional . . . . I dont' want to pay attention today . . . keys

[empty pilot]

darn, I had an LUA error that I wanted to show you but I thought I copied it, apparently not

[solar bramble]

sub still suffers from lack of attention, but not as heavily

sin . . kinda needs to prep kings bane a good 15 seconds in advance it seems

[waxen oyster]

sin is a more methodical spec

outlaw’s kind of my blast loud music while farming content spec

[solar bramble]

i mean . . . i'll do that on sin too 🙂

[slate crown]

well if you can grab a screen grab that'd be super helpful, can send it in a DM any time.

[empty pilot]

is there a way I can bring up old LUA errors that I've [X]d out already?

[spice spire]

No

[slate crown]

Get bugsack

[spice spire]

Wait that wasn’t a response to you, that was to LE

[slate crown]

What are you No-ing me?

[slate crown]

Bugsack and uh, there's another one

BugGrabber and BugSack lets you save off errors I think

(Addons)

[empty pilot]

yeah ok, Ill send it over if it comes up again

[surreal spear]

What do you choose with pips?

Vers? So you can get crit or mastery buffs?

[balmy condor]

you can't "choose" anything

its a cycling buff

[surreal spear]

Ahh

[balmy condor]

it just goes through them

[surreal spear]

So if sandglass sims higher, its better then i guess

[balmy condor]

logic seems to check out

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

more damage = better

[spice spire]

They found the line

[balmy condor]

I can get behind that

[thorn fjord]

i can get behind you

😉

[surreal spear]

Sad, cause i just got pips in HC raid

[waxen oyster]

sandglass good

i have a 489 sandglass idk if anything’s gonna replace it

avoidance too

[surreal spear]

it simmed 476 vs 470 tho, so ill check a 483 pips instead 😮

Damn

Ah, at the same ilvl it sims 2,3k higher, sweet

[runic hinge]

Where’s the line start

[balmy condor]

!aug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue abilities not being reattributed to Augs in logs:

Blade flurry Shadow Blades Sanguine Blades

Poisoned Edges Sudden Demise Shadow Eviscerate

More information

[waxen oyster]

are you allowed to choose which passive stat you get

from pip’s

or is it just the highest

[waxen oyster]

meant the 200ish passive

but answered my own i think

[grim jay]

maybe if we get 200 people to read the tooltip

we can get blizzard to make it selectable

kinda like a petition

but its a tough goal

[waxen oyster]

get crab for the free avoidance

clearly best trinket

/s

[indigo epoch]

My 489 crab agrees

[waxen oyster]

i’ve only run one throne this season

[gray hazel]

Pip is sick. Like it way more than the sandglass at 489

[waxen oyster]

how long does it take to ramp

[indigo epoch]

Does wb oversim or is It really that crazy? I have no data on it

[waxen oyster]

branch?

[runic hinge]

Sims are accurate

[eternal nymph]

Branch? It Sims correctly. Granted, you habe to pick the orbs like the SIM does. 1/1/7

[waxen oyster]

finally got after 34 runs

[runic hinge]

There’s been one trinket this whole expansion that oversimmed and people come in here every week asking about if the sims are off

[fallow acorn]

1/1/tornado "FUCK"/12

[runic hinge]

Wild

[waxen oyster]

though should track the buff proper instead of just taking the last orb with 10s left on kb

[void mesa]

I run for my first orb, chill for a sec, pick the 2nd one

Then I pickup the third one when I'm about to 2nd shiv

Thats my personal way of doing it 🙂

[gentle belfry]

Any helpful WAs for withbark?

[ebon quest]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[ebon quest]

https://wago.io/q7bHLuILp

[gray hazel]

The sandglass? It’s pretty quick from what I could tell. It might be just placebo, I just felt better using pip compared to sandglass

[waxen oyster]

i meant pip’s

i had a heroic pip’s option but it just simmed worse than 489 glass

and i had 486 tier option

[gentle belfry]

Ty babe

[potent raft]

anyone else find themselves incredibly squishy on the last boss of AD?

like that wracking pain really wrecks me, while most other dps are kinda ok (~50%hp) after initial hit

i'm at..20-30%

[shut owl]

Pips doesn't ramp

[waxen oyster]

doesnt it increase before going down again

[grim jay]

[shut owl]

It gives you a bunch of a stat, then trickles down and changes to a bunch of a different stat.

Not really a ramp

Just a fluctuating passive

Ramp would be like cata signet or anvil where it needs a minute to get rolling.

[waxen oyster]

oh it procs the secondary gain then drops off

[shut owl]

Yes

[waxen oyster]

pray for mastery mid kb

ig

or anything

[shut owl]

Honestly doesn't even matter if you've got branch

Cuz you're gonna be so overloaded on mastery during that

[waxen oyster]

yeah if you have branch mastery proc likely not ideal

[potent raft]

is picking the last orb at 10-9 secs left on KB worse in some way?

[shut owl]

Stats aren't even... That important.

[waxen oyster]

its more about getting a proc

at all

during kb at least

[shut owl]

Slammed a 95 with a normal ashes and a chromatic essence on snake boy a week ago

And my haste was chilling at 8k

Just cuz weird itemization early

[waxen oyster]

oof

i had like 1k haste early tier

the polarity

[potent raft]

my stats are mostly equal atm

[shut owl]

Honestly not even oof. Haste not bad

[waxen oyster]

thats good

[past forum]

i'm using cev's plater and i rly like everything except a couple of the nameplate colors cause they're too hard for me to see. any way to chance the colors en mass or do i have to change each mob individually?

[waxen oyster]

1–1-7 is technically what the sim uses

but idk shouldnt be a huge deal as long as your later part of kb is covered by a 3 stack of branch?

[potent raft]

7 as in.. pick the 3rd when you have 3 sec remaining on the 2-stack buff?

[waxen oyster]

how long you wait between pickups

not always possible on non target dummies

[left berry]

Any reason to target swap as assa?

[true flume]

what do you mean? if there is a better target to hit you do so.

caustic spatter is not as much as your raw damage if thats what you are asking. If there is a prio target that wont die insta, you swap, bleed it, kill it.

[normal mist]

2 +20 to go my guys, rise and DHT

[royal lantern]

well

you kinda have no deffensive beyond cloak

either play elusivness or pray that the healer can keep up

its the 1 dungeon where i actually play elusivness tbh

[runic hinge]

Just save vanish for a cast on you so it goes on someone else instead

[royal lantern]

not really any bullshit random 1hit kills happening