assassination

[real pike]

hurts man

[clever sapphire]

always simp up your priests before raid

rule numba one

[peak lake]

i had a ret pal getting it in my guild...

[static glacier]

this was still the case before the nerfs

[primal terrace]

The ST one but with caustic spatter and IC?

[static glacier]

we were never a better st pi target than unholy in 10.2

[worn fossil]

It actually helps to be GM and lootmaster

[clever sapphire]

i checked on sunday and assa was ahead on what i saw

by like 200dps or so

[static glacier]

do you have screenshots?

[clever sapphire]

why would i screenshot it

[balmy condor]

I can't remember assa being higher on bloodmallet charts

[vale lantern]

our guild sadly was still PIing the dk when he was 20 ilvls under me

[balmy condor]

since the patch went live

[static glacier]

since that's a very strange occurence, i've not seen sin higher once

[wide whale]

yeah

[clever sapphire]

could have been drunk or color blind

[static glacier]

and I check BM every few days

for stuff like wf

[balmy condor]

using resources to find numbers

is very based

[brisk lodge]

is branch trinket overall alot better than embersoul? i feel like i lose track of the orbs in m+ at times

[solid wagon]

The best trinkets are the ones which require no inputs because I'm getting older and too many shiny buttons

Unless it's really fun and then it replaces another shiny hotkey

[brisk lodge]

i feel this

[balmy condor]

It’s better but if you suck at orbs or have a bunch of mastery on your gear or something, ashes is perfectly fine

[mystic osprey]

do you guys baby KB on smolderon on pull?

[balmy condor]

My augs were trolling me so smolderon is just raw on cd now

[mystic osprey]

ok

[balmy condor]

If you’re getting omega dumped

With all the externals

And everything on the planet

Then you’d want to hold dm

But my augs decided that wasn’t the move I guess

[dusty phoenix]

did the nerf go live just today?

or why am I simming -10k compared to yday

[balmy condor]

Went live on tuesday

[mystic osprey]

yeah

[gaunt pike]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jaunty dew]

Is AP build worth it for higher keys this week?

[clever sapphire]

define higher

[jaunty dew]

20+

[clever sapphire]

ye

play whatever you prefer tho

[jaunty dew]

The mass enrage removal seems good

[odd ingot]

Is there any change in ST talent build ?

[clever sapphire]

no

[odd ingot]

Great.

[clever sapphire]

enrage doesnt do much anyways so

im just gonna play the build thats the most fun in ST

[jaunty dew]

Well there's that and the execute damage for bosses

[clever sapphire]

since trash gonna die faster than whispyr can tell me to check the guide

[south osprey]

Is the link to M+ trinket sim for assassination on fuu spreadsheet supposed to work?

[dark token]

wtf is this

[odd ingot]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[clever sapphire]

thats a socket

i dont know what the question is

[south osprey]

Socket over myth track head tier?

[dark token]

already have it

[south osprey]

ah unlucky mate

[clever sapphire]

assumed it since he asked thatway

[south osprey]

If I open the vault and dont see branch or nick of time I say "wtf is this" by default

[clever sapphire]

dont open your vault

[south osprey]

: (

But then I don't get dompamine

[cinder parrot]

Is it correct to use IP instead of DP when you don't have amplifying?

[clever sapphire]

if you never open it, you cant be disappointed

[icy acorn]

im also having a hard time deciding between myth track set legs and a socket

[clever sapphire]

well sim the pants on max upgrade vs a socket on something you gonna keep

[dark token]

[neat rain]

I went with socket this week

I had a chance to get hero set piece on my shoulders through Cat but I think I'm just gonna grind rise get the helmet and Cat that

[icy acorn]

damn, that socket sims 500 more than mine

[severe knoll]

ayy not to brag but just got a branch drop out of 2nd everbloom on my rogue alt LOL

[clever sapphire]

its not your alt anymore

its your main

[severe knoll]

ha ha

[severe knoll]

no i'm stuck healling a durpy combat rogue in my mains group for m+

[keen spruce]

my m+ group tank was carrying yung shmappy

yesterday

and I aquired a cheat trinket before her

[manic quartz]

rng gods do not like me, i got hc pip's last vault and now i got mythic from vault >_>

[wheat hinge]

can someone please link the st build ❤️

[clever sapphire]

i have that too, the vdh that i was farming fall with got so many of those trinkets, i just took one for the funs

now im thinking of abusing the cheat death for even more burst on smoldy

use it instead of sandglass, on p1 go into a circle on purpose to get extra haste

use cooldowns

profit?

[keen spruce]

[clever sapphire]

tomorrow is cookin day

[keen spruce]

you could just have it for the damage amp

gather orbs

step in a ring

blast

[lofty junco]

crafting probably belt or ring, right? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9kHXBvqWHu83RwcamiJnmC

[clever sapphire]

ye thats what i meant

also gonna use sepsis for even more cooldowns to press during dmg amp

im cookin tomorrow

[keen spruce]

rings are always good 3rd craft

[tawny geyser]

Check pinned

[keen spruce]

unless you want your flavor pocket back then you can make a belt

[wheat hinge]

which one is good st?

[clever sapphire]

the one that sims highest for your build

[normal mist]

Idk if I should be happy or complaining, got a nick of time in the vault, in the only hero track (m17)... 2 myth vaults, and the fucker went to the hero vault

[clever sapphire]

slacker, why did you have a hero track

[quasi fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[clever sapphire]

but a nick is a nick

[desert inlet]

it's okay, if the third one was myth track, it wouldn't have been the dagger

[normal mist]

Replacing one of my nick champion 8/8, totally worth

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-bestie-so-true-so-true-bestie-neco-arc-bestie-gif-25532855

[oak tangle]

i died on our Smolderon heroic kill last week, and got a green 😦

BUT

i've been ripping LFR to cheer myself up

[desert inlet]

hey shmeeps do you like this emote

[desert inlet]

[keen spruce]

ayo

that's a good duck

it's uhhhh

clearly just yellin

but

there could be some sussy interpreations

[royal lantern]

you are about too get quaked

[desert inlet]

quack

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-thief-steal-yoink-take-out-gif-17356971

i should have called it something else

i can't just type : duck

[shell quartz]

how to u accurately sim gems?

idk if i should just stack mastery on gems and enchants

im at 25% haste for ST

[oak tangle]

omega duck

[royal lantern]

top gear and activate all gems

[shell quartz]

i did, but didnt change anything at all on my dps

[royal lantern]

dont forget "replace existing enchants/gems"

[shell quartz]

and i refuse to believe i hit perfectly on all enchants and gems

aaaaaaaaaaaaa

thank you

[civic remnant]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quaint hull]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[empty timber]

The loa ring simmed at 489 is 1.2% higher than my 483 vers/crit ring, but i don't know if it's great long term to take it

489 shoulders are +0.5% but the idol trinket would be great for m+ with outlaw

[dark token]

sin wants vers

also

its not like vers sucks

look at the "bis gear"

[lofty junco]

nah don't have the money atm for that

[oak tangle]

cenres de la braisame

[urban saddle]

is raidbots broken or something ? there is no way vault options give me -50k dps

[frozen dome]

anyone else not have mutilate in spell book for some reaon just now?

[clever sapphire]

look at the t rinkets

no idea what you did

[marsh grotto]

We got our third spark now right? Should I craft a second dagger so I can switch over to Assa?

[clever sapphire]

but you have bacon bomb equipped

[oak tangle]

ima take a big guess that that is a sword offhand

[clever sapphire]

ah ye

also that

thats an axe

[urban saddle]

wait yeah lol i thought i didnt select it mb

[clever sapphire]

so you removed your offhand and beacon bomb is your top simming trinket

[oak tangle]

tbh i'm suprised you only lose 50k when you can't mutilate

[clever sapphire]

mutilate useless keybind

replace

[odd python]

use arcane shot instead, but you will need to to a questline in ashenvale

[clever sapphire]

maybe thats the reason it simmed beacon/bomb as his top trinkets

cause stat trinkets are useless if you yourself cant do dmg

[sweet fog]

how can i post the crafted items into raidbots simc?

[low phoenix]

Hey guys i was wondering for crafting would u go x2 Blue Silken Lining or Toxic boots+patch im only doing m+ around 20s and i will proberly not go higher

[limber lion]

Just do Toxic Boots + Patch, it's more versatile for other content as well

[limber lion]

Just use Crafted Items Droptimizer

[jaunty ginkgo]

In general, if you are going into a boss with ~30s DM cd, should you use or wait to use KB?

[royal lantern]

wait lol

[peak musk]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[odd python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sKegeado3vckhs83iQm7B5
this seem low - Am i doing anything wrong here?

[low phoenix]

Ty m8

[balmy condor]

Talented into caustic

[loud parrot]

nerf huge or nah?

[elfin musk]

yo @balmy condor you thinking of running lariat at all?

[faint path]

not at all

[balmy condor]

Maybe in 3 months

[plucky canopy]

What whispyr said and try to sim sophic vs wafting enchant for weapon

[elfin musk]

hmmm aite 😛

Just boots and toxic patch for now i guess

might make a lining for m+

[balmy condor]

Lariat only good in m+, and only if you have all your sockets

[elfin musk]

Gotcha - cheers mate

[balmy condor]

Otherwise it’s just dogshit

[marsh grotto]

Anyone that can give me advice if I am simming something wrong here? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vcJFxn6xxxBBP2oULgtNav
The ST dmg is way below if I compare to sim against my Outlaw spec

[pseudo hamlet]

What do you guys think about Hybrid M+ build vs Arterial Shock M+ build for Tyra? Personally I am using the second

[drifting parrot]

non of the above

[agile gull]

So which one ?

[clever sapphire]

if i had to choose, i would sim both the builds without any buffs, and take the one that sims higher for st

[mint kindle]

What m+ build are you guys running this week?

[clever sapphire]

spatter cleave

[peak lake]

full mono + spatter and IC

[desert inlet]

have you crafted that dagger yet? farming one and crafting shoes instead is bigger uppy
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dNSjHHrtZxmcZN1FRzaDDM

[lavish isle]

its worth to craft belt 486 with toxified armor patch ?

( have shit one )

[ruby coyote]

@lavish isle wrists should be better

there are good belts in dungeons/raids

[primal terrace]

Crafting engineering wrists today, would Crit or mastery be better long term?

[ruby coyote]

Ok anyone has an idea whats going on with this sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jA3tmxsd4zJgo9crMMPvfE

It tells me that a 486 haste/mast writs are a 2k dps loss and I have the same wrists at 476 ilvl equiped????????????????????

Nvm Im stupid, embelishment

[desert inlet]

no patch on new ones prob

ye lol

[ruby coyote]

ey ye

[hazy elbow]

Outside of Kingsbane windows, should I just save energy and try to play around sanguine blades? kinda confused about it atm

[potent raft]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[hazy elbow]

okay that kinda helps, thank you

[lavish isle]

but got this one

[minor gate]

Hey guys, so I’ve been using the “bonespike” build for single target and was wondering if it was worth going back to the original ST build

With the nerf to blindside

[vestal schooner]

wondering what to go since i have Ashes of the Embersoul trinket already

assist me folks

[pseudo hamlet]

You can get shoulders from raid, trinket is total BIS and unobtainable elsewhere

[vestal schooner]

So Witherbark's branch over Ashes ?

[unique sorrel]

I will say, ashes is a LOT nicer for the brain in hectic mythic raid

But Branch is numerically bis

[vestal schooner]

i already have 4set with raid finder shoulder 463 ilvl

[pseudo hamlet]

How would it look like? Could you post it here?

[quaint hull]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pseudo hamlet]

Guess it's this one?
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFVVFRRFURQmJBQCVBNVURUVUZUEEoVQBF

[minor gate]

This week is another catalyst charge week right? Can’t you just find a set of shoulders and change them to tier

[grim jay]

Wrong

[grand shale]

yet another week where I'm not very happy with my vault but I have a question

The wowhead guide lists this ring as best in slot

but murloc.io doesnt even have it top 5

should I be happy or sad that this was the best option I had?

[grim jay]

Murloc io

[desert inlet]

what's that

[grand shale]

Catalyst is next week, got one last week

[subtle tundra]

What the fuck did I just read

[solid wagon]

Dammit, I have the choice between 2 belts and witherbark's, and I wanted an auto-trinket, not an active 😦

[subtle tundra]

Every time I read here my brain rots

[grand shale]

If you dont have witherbark yet

you definitely want it lol

Also what you just read was a pretty simple question

[vestal schooner]

i could do that

[grand shale]

just want to know peoples thoughts on Ring of Contempt

because I'm getting different messages from different places

[desert inlet]

when I try to go to murloc.io, my computer says it's being infected with some sort of disease

oh it's supposed to be with a k

mb

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/murlog-murloc-frozen-frozen-murloc-guild-orange-murlogs-gif-18952199

[safe wigeon]

i hate to spam mutilate below 35% hp now Sadge

[sharp siren]

what do u mean? ;o

[frank axle]

we use shadowdance on start of kingsbane to get enh. garrot on the target or?

[sharp siren]

no finisher moves? °-°

[arctic socket]

Why do you have a 437 wep

[grand shale]

You tell me

[arctic socket]

[grand shale]

I farmed 40+ +17 or higher falls last week

and like

[arctic socket]

Have you done nothing else? Lmao

[grand shale]

a bunch of AD

didn't drop a single one

[arctic socket]

[grand shale]

the first dagger was from my first vault of the season lol

[arctic socket]

No raid luck?

[grand shale]

Like if it wasn't for that vault

both of my daggers would still be garbage tier

and nope

I started playing at the start of this patch

like, started playing wow for the first time

so missed first week

but have done normal + LFG three times with my guild and will be doing their heroic reclear from this week onwards

It's a hard 'nuff life

[arctic socket]

What is murloc.io

[grand shale]

but on the positive side, I grinded so much mythic for the dagger (that hasn't dropped) that my guild noticed

Murlok* my b earlier

[safe wigeon]

the nerf i mean i think i got zero chance to proc blindside now xd

[grand shale]

just a site that aggregates gear recommendations based on usage stats

and apparently nobody is using ring of contempt even though the wowhead guide says its bis

so I was curious on peoples thoughts on it because it was my only clickable option in my vault

[grim jay]

Well the usage stats are useless

[clever sapphire]

Bis is based off of having all the other items too

[grim jay]

And so is the site ig

[normal mist]

Bis means you have all the items in the list

If you don't have them all, you sim

[sharp siren]

may i ask some questions as noobie to rogue ?.. ^^
Is the nerf huge should i change to another spec sub or outlaw

[grand shale]

Yeah I'm building towards that list anyway but dont have enough peices to do a meaningful sim rn

[clever sapphire]

Pins, short answer, no

[grand shale]

nerf is big but we'll still be a valuable spec in raid

and perform well

so dont worry about it

[sharp siren]

thx

[arctic socket]

My ring luck has been shit

[clever sapphire]

If 4% is big for you, ye its big

[arctic socket]

My Nicholas luck has also been shit

[grand shale]

Back to grinding for Nick of Time, Witherbark and a new necklace I guess

[arctic socket]

I have a nice collection of leech pants tho

[grand shale]

https://i.imgur.com/M1RMjoV.png

twinning

[subtle tundra]

"it's bis" about to blow my brains

If I have any left

[grand shale]

Probably should

[normal mist]

Do you?

[grand shale]

seem like a bit of a dickhead

[desert inlet]

[subtle tundra]

Fuck you

I'm not even close to being a dick head rn

[normal mist]

Fr bis talk makes no sense

[dense stirrup]

Guys, we have stats cap?

[normal mist]

You sim

And trust sim

No such thing as caps

[dense stirrup]

My sim = Versa > Haste > crit > mast

[clever sapphire]

so you have too much mastery, too little versa

sim told me to use vers gems in neck because i had the same issue

the robot knows best

[dense stirrup]

I will trust him

kk

[normal mist]

The more you have of a said secondary, the less you want it

[arctic socket]

Sim tells me to jump, would y’all

[normal mist]

Yes

[desert inlet]

how high, robot?

[normal mist]

How high

Loool

[arctic socket]

😂

[dense stirrup]

my stats at the moment, without runes, and flasks

[pliant remnant]

Holy shit

Those are definitely some stats

[normal mist]

Xuxa just don't worry about calculating numbers, let raidbots do that for you

[dense stirrup]

Ok Royal

ty for help

[clever sapphire]

nobody is smart enough to calculate it manually

[dense stirrup]

❤️

[forest nacelle]

looks like my stats that i simmed for xD

[normal mist]

Also don't rely on stat weight sims too much

[pliant remnant]

Get 2% more haste and 3% more crit and you will get a 100 parse no matter what rotation you do

Trust me bro

[reef mulch]

[clever sapphire]

does this apply after i got 2% more haste and 3% more crit again?

or is it only to the current stats

[arctic socket]

Before

[clever sapphire]

what happens if i get 2.1% more haste

is it not a 100 anymore?

[robust garden]

[clever sapphire]

feck

gonna reroll warlock

[faint path]

hahahahhaahahahha

[quaint hull]

Where can I find a list of known bugs

I dont have sark cloak or anything and im getting unstealthed in M+

[arctic socket]

Probably a bug list

[clever sapphire]

crit flask? any dots still on you?

[arctic socket]

https://www.britannica.com/topic/list-of-insects-2073946

[grim jay]

You dont sim stat weights either

Like ever

Not even for gems

[pliant remnant]

That's a 1, brother

automatically

[quaint hull]

NAH BRO

juist straight bull shit

[clever sapphire]

aug in the group?

i think i heard that something from aug can get you out

[manic quartz]

would you play arterial no CT or hybird no CT in low keys where stuff dies so fast like this week?

[clever sapphire]

or atleast i heard it last season

[quaint hull]

vdh 2 pirest one pali

[arctic socket]

I have had the swarm dot from druid unstealth me

[grim jay]

AP with BS and VR

[clever sapphire]

ap with ct, put up all bleeds, shiv, sudden demise go boom

[manic quartz]

okay ty!

[desert inlet]

I forgot to switch trinkets earlier and signet brand was breaking me out

[arctic socket]

Signet brand is such a meme to use

[narrow sedge]

Hello, with the nerf, Kingsbane still the bis or there is another build ?

[grim jay]

Not really

[clever sapphire]

2 questions in one

nothing changed

[grim jay]

Its just using it if you stay in combat for a long period of time, thats it

[arctic socket]

I should specify in mythic+

[grim jay]

Then it is, yes, unless you are the Tank

[quaint hull]

i got pips and brancch

[clever sapphire]

i wish that there was an option for channels, where you could turn it on as a mod, and everytime a new pin is here, you would be forced to check the pin before being able to use the chat

[arctic socket]

I wish brand worked how anvil did

Where you could on use it and keep it ramping

[desert inlet]

game probably just hates you

[plush tusk]

wdym for short fights it isn't good yes...it shines in long fights

[agile raft]

Hey, Im new to this discord. I have a question regarding Assa spec - could you share some insights about rotation and how to play it? Im struggling in longer fights during m+ - lack of energy after 1:30 - 2 min (no tea, nothing I can autoattack only its very frustating), my dps is crushing down. I'm using hekili to learn rotation and as a reminder. I know hekili is bad but without it my dps would be much worse. Maybe you have videos or something that I can learn from. (I checked icy and wowhead already)

[arctic socket]

@plush tusk

[dark token]

Lol does signet brand break stealth in between packs in keys

[arctic socket]

Yes

The damage it inflicts on you

[clever sapphire]

probably the dot it puts on you

[quaint hull]

You have any idea what this is my brother?

[plush tusk]

okay nvm, didn't read you're talking about m+. sry

[arctic socket]

Your will to keep playing

[unique sorrel]

Whispyr’s YouTube has a full breakdown for all rotation stuff

[manic quartz]

Check out whispyrs videos https://www.youtube.com/@whispyr5793

[agile raft]

thanks

[arctic socket]

Stealth doesn’t matter tho for mythic+

Just vanish / dance it up

[stable field]

Hey random question but how many of those we could get untill to day 5 or 6 ?

[unique sorrel]

You can’t stop me from complaining that it feels better

[plush tusk]

6

[quaint hull]

Good Whispyr joke

[clever sapphire]

6, you should have your 3rd spark this week

[coral arrow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stable field]

So no clue how im missing 1

i have 5

[clever sapphire]

weekly quest done?

[arctic socket]

Well tbf there isn’t much of a difference

[stable field]

yes

[plush tusk]

in that case

[clever sapphire]

maybe you missed out on one some week

[plush tusk]

it's a drop for you

[clever sapphire]

just go do some m+/raid and its gonna drop

or rares too?

dunno never killed those

[stable field]

no im doing full clear hc every week also and still 0 no clue what i did wrong

[arctic socket]

You don’t do your bloom shit

[clever sapphire]

what

[quaint hull]

You either missed a week or need to wait for it to drop. Or havent done the correct rep quest.

[arctic socket]

The new zone stuff killin rares n shit

[clever sapphire]

nah

im renown 9, not sure how i even got this far

[arctic socket]

Lmaoc

[plush tusk]

If you're behind with it, you will 100% get that missing one as a rnd drop in any m+ or raid content

[arctic socket]

Do you rune up?

[clever sapphire]

hell nah

costs too much gold

[stable field]

I did all quests i mean 6/7 chapter since to day they unlocked another one. And i already did rep quest to day. so i got my 5th now. 5 min ago

[desert rain]

Hi guys, where Can I get some logs reviewing around here ? If it's a thing

[arctic socket]

(I’m guiltily of using the blue veiled runes to pass the “consumable check”

[quartz lance]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[clever sapphire]

i couldnt care less

[arctic socket]

Fair

[clever sapphire]

if anyone forces me to use runes im leaving group

[quaint hull]

theres a weekly rep quest. Called Aiding the Accord: Dream Ally or some BS.

You jsut havent done it.

[stable field]

yea the one 1500 rep req yes? i did this

[quaint hull]

well, gl. u just have to wait for it to drop my boi

[plush tusk]

have you opened the bag in your bag? 😄

[arctic socket]

Well if you did everything you’re just fucked until it drops

[quaint hull]

LOL

[stable field]

yea and i have 5th one 😄

[quaint hull]

ur fucked until it drops

[arctic socket]

Just drop it bro

[stable field]

the funny thing is my other 3 alts are only 4 also now before weekly quest not 5

😄

[fierce rivet]

Yo sers, did anyone try double blue silken lining for m+? Thinking of switching to it this week from toxic thorns

[quaint hull]

Everyone loving assass in raid?

Envenom spam is 😴

[arctic socket]

See I would enjoy it a lot more if my raid team had a wind fury totem, or pi or ebon might

At least I get battle shout

[quaint hull]

holy fuck I woulda gone SUB

At least I get PI and WF, I can't imagine having neither.

The KB nerf hit you hard huh.

[arctic socket]

Yeah so idk if my purple parses are decent or shit

[native heron]

KB nerf wasn't that big...

[quaint hull]

You can exclude for external buffs. Do that and grow the ego.

[unique sorrel]

4% is massive what do you mean!!!!!

[quaint hull]

Did you not read? bro needs every little thing he can get if he has no WF, PI or AUG.

[arctic socket]

I add 30% dps to what I do then look at logs and say that’s what I parse

[unique sorrel]

I will say, I cope extra hard for my mythic parses being green/blue due to not getting PI on pull

[quaint hull]

i made my priests get a wa

[unique sorrel]

We only have 1 priest

[arctic socket]

I had a priest

[unique sorrel]

And UDH gets it on pull

[arctic socket]

Gm sat the priest giving me pi because his ilvl was a point to low

[grim jay]

Understandable

[unique sorrel]

I’m hoping we rip nymues face off on Thursday so we can go cry at Larodar

[tiny imp]

As a guy who is new to assa and never wants to play keys above +20 and also issnt interested in raiding at all - which of the 5 builds mentioned at wowhead in the m+ section would u recommend to play ?

[unique sorrel]

That boss looks funky for mythic

[arctic socket]

It took me like 15 pulls until I started seeing the lasers

The ground and the laser color is hard to see

[native heron]

Sim them.

[unique sorrel]

Arterial Shock

[grim jay]

Either of those except cleave. I personally enjoy the AP builds more

[unique sorrel]

Yeah it’s gonna be spicy - I was having some minor lag on council and that was

[quaint hull]

Gm is throwing

[unique sorrel]

Which btw, FUCK council

Miserable fight

[arctic socket]

We don’t talk about council

[unique sorrel]

I’m just glad it’s dead

[arctic socket]

At least you have rng to get a duck with a hat

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[tiny imp]

What is AP build?

[unique sorrel]

I don’t ever want to hear “here duck me real quick” ever again

[grim jay]

Its called something with shock on there

[unique sorrel]

At least I didn’t have to go to duck jail

Our poor evoker and mage player

[arctic socket]

I like hearing the rl yell “DUCK fucking boss”

[quaint hull]

Who would take an assass off BOSS?

[tiny imp]

Arterial Shock?

[stray mural]

Is the command “!log”

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[indigo epoch]

Wow analyzer not up to date for 10.2

Bad moroes. Bad.

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-ducks-swing-cute-animals-gif-15449339

[grim jay]

Yes

[clever sapphire]

waaaat, cleave best build

best of both worlds

[grim jay]

Yeah super great for 20 and below

[clever sapphire]

poison bomb and blindside

[grim jay]

Its insane

Much aoe with kb

[clever sapphire]

20 and below doesnt matter

[grim jay]

[clever sapphire]

there is no aoe under 20

there was barely any aoe last week under 20

and i had dps in the group doing 100k with 470 ilvl

[grim jay]

Depends on the people. Cleave build just isnt that great for low stuff

[clever sapphire]

i gueeeess

but ye, ap build truly the best for low keys

[earnest remnant]

!atro

[prisma monolith]

Atrophic poison in Raid: link

[clever sapphire]

sudden demise popping everything

[steel stump]

This week is about killing bosses not overall damage

doesn't matter

[grim jay]

Cope

Trash doesnt suddenly disappear just because its tyra

[clever sapphire]

yes it does, sudden demise takes care of it

[grim jay]

On low keys you cant trust people to handle anything at all

[grim jay]

[clever sapphire]

you know whats gonna be fun this week

lfr fyrakk

and lfr tindral

[grim jay]

I wont

Ever

Go in there

[clever sapphire]

how many people will die on the flying part

im gonna enjoy the shitshow in full view on my alts

[unique sorrel]

Ain’t that next week - for fyrakk?

[clever sapphire]

well if they wanna give us only 1 boss this week

then ye

but i dont think they gonna open lfr for tindral only

im at work so cant check

just assuming

[unreal mauve]

I just simmed my char and noticed a 12k dps loss since monday, then I remembered the kingsbane nerf, I wanna cry

[clever sapphire]

now you have an excuse if anyone asks why you arent first place

[grim jay]

Just still be #1

[knotty notch]

I know the answer might be obvious but, would you guys prefer to take a 476 headpiece from the vault and convert it to complete the 4-set bonus or take a 1200 mastery ring with a socket?

[unique sorrel]

I still fuck up my opener so much and it’s infuriating

[clever sapphire]

i would take the pants

[unique sorrel]

One misclick and there goes 100k damage

[clever sapphire]

im gonna ask you a question, where is the choice in your question?

i only see get head for 4pc

but actually do raid first

[knotty notch]

yeah it was the obvious answer haha

[clever sapphire]

you may get 4pc from raid

than its ring

[midnight atlas]

would you guys spend a spark for torc of passed time if you got 0 luck with necks this season?

[grim jay]

I would neck myself rather

[unique sorrel]

After boots/toxin patch, you can kinda do whatever is lowest ilvl

I did a ring

[rotund wagon]

Is the ring also hero track? Because if it’s myth I could say take ring all day. Hero helms are farmable if all you’re doing is converting

[native heron]

easy win get ring buy hero track helm from ah lol

[rotund wagon]

I say that being 50 runs without a dagger

[grim jay]

Yeah just drown those suckers in gold

[rotund wagon]

But lemme tell you I have 10 pairs of pants

[native heron]

;p

[knotty notch]

yes it is a hero track one, with mastery/haste + a socket

but I'm gonna do the raid first as suggested to see if I can grab a token for set pieces

[bleak sun]

[native heron]

LOL

[clever sapphire]

not even with leech

[warped pilot]

all of that is obtainable outside of the vault though, sockets you'll get eventually due to shit vaults, and stats don't matter since it'll be converted.

[clever sapphire]

nothing matters besides mythic track if you look at it that way though

[rain obsidian]

beat this vault luck

[rotund wagon]

Can I interest you in a socket?

[native heron]

Nice branch

https://tenor.com/view/wink-eye-wink-gif-12352742718877841322

[clever sapphire]

i only got ring with a socket and leech on it

[lofty junco]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[native heron]

My warlock buddy got his bis trinket without realizing and called it shit. lol

[clever sapphire]

xD

warlock brain

[sharp siren]

is there any build links for st raid?

[clever sapphire]

ye on wowhead

there are multiple

[sharp siren]

@clever sapphire thx

[clever sapphire]

that spec is so easy tho, you need like 4-5 buttons for the whole rota with cooldowns

[native heron]

He read what the trinket did and was like "i take damage too i dont want that.. meanwhile the trinket does an extra 400k damage...

[clever sapphire]

tried it yesterday

[grim jay]

Maybe luck was on your side because you crafted a dagger

[quaint hull]

Its called being bad at the game. Type of monkey that rolls on trinkets that are bis for other classes.

[native heron]

eh. I just dontt think he is really up to speed on retail. hes been playing alot of classic.

[clever sapphire]

i had a healer shamy roll on smolderon ashes on my alt, and he won it with a 100

[icy acorn]

what build would you guys use this week in m+?

[clever sapphire]

key lvl?

[grim jay]

All of them

[icy acorn]

22-24 or something like that

[native heron]

im using hybrid most likely.

[clever sapphire]

than what davy said

im gonna be running around with cleave build

because yay pb and blindside

[native heron]

Can you share that splatter cleave build please?

[clever sapphire]

should be on wowhead

[icy acorn]

cleave is what i would have in mind as well

[grim jay]

Ill prolly play both AP BS VR and cleave

[icy acorn]

since adds should just die instantly

[grim jay]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[native heron]

ahh yes i se it.

[clever sapphire]

whats that fake ass method guide, assa-faq says only wowhead and iv

who do i trust now

[quaint hull]

let me spatter all over your build

[native heron]

https://tenor.com/view/monkasen-nathan-monka-coom-gif-23519849

[grim jay]

Whispyr did that one aswell.

[royal lantern]

least horny #assassination user

[spice spire]

No that’s me

[clever sapphire]

thou shall not trust a link thats not in the faq

[icy acorn]

whispyr using chatgpt for his guides

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-office-flasher-flash-gif-25279261

[clever sapphire]

still better guides than what most other specs get

[icy acorn]

big true

[midnight atlas]

ocd triggering, i like having same enchants on ring

[spice spire]

It’s probably margin to change

[marsh grotto]

Thanks mate. I am just worried that my outlaw spec is like 10-15k ahead with the same gear :/

[clever sapphire]

no enchant is also enchant

[onyx crane]

so.. my sim tells me I sim for like 197k but on a dummy I only do like 117?

[clever sapphire]

sim without raidbuffs

than include the fact that you maybe didnt execute perfectly

[primal terrace]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4HmU2zXqwqhD59cRJkt1fy
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aWrKKdMy5aDMao6yqZT653
Guys, which of the 2 rings should I take, one sims better ST other sims better AOE, which would be better in the long run? 😄

[regal kiln]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[lofty junco]

at what threshold of energy would i want to start waiting for envenom to be 1s before i use the next one?

instead of just spamming it

[clever sapphire]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[steel stump]

out of kb

just dont spam out of kb

[royal lantern]

the "you are not in kingsbane" threshold

[grim jay]

Anthias, believe

[steel stump]

if you're not 300 energy

[lofty junco]

ofc i did read that part. but it doesn't says at what point u do the 1s

[clever sapphire]

its the first sentence

[grim jay]

Dang what an original name

[clever sapphire]

ah sorry second sentence

[lofty junco]

btw in SD window, since we try to fit in 3 finisher, using envenom at 3cp is normal?

[royal lantern]

inside KB=Spam, Outside KB=Maintain

[grim jay]

4+ brother

[clever sapphire]

sometimes i feelcraft and envenom at 3 so i dont drop envenom

[grim jay]

Same

But its just trying to salvage a prior mistake

[lofty junco]

even if it means only getting 2 envenom in the SD window?

[clever sapphire]

ya, may be the wrong move, but i feel better seeing envenom up

[clever sapphire]

i never counted the amount of finishers i do inside of sd, fun fact

[royal lantern]

mate, thats my entire life, i wont stop in wow

[grim jay]

How do you even fit in 3

If its 6s

And you need to use Kb and refresh garrote

[steel stump]

yeah wtf you can refresh garrote and get an evenom in but idk about 2 envenom

[grim jay]

Dang its like

So true

Its amazing how such a shallow discussion can implicate something so deep and profound about life

[clever sapphire]

do you also like choco milk

[grim jay]

The pick up one?

[clever sapphire]

no, the put down one

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[peak lake]

yep sorry for delay, it's this one
doing between 250 and 320k overall without aug / pi

[grim jay]

Dont hate on pick ups.
Chocomel better tho

[clever sapphire]

i dont even know those brands, im a nöm enjoyer

[onyx crane]

Dutchmon?

[pseudo hamlet]

Thanks!

[grim jay]

Germon

[onyx crane]

Chocomel is a dutch brand tho

it's great stuff

[grim jay]

Yeah. Its pretty popular around here too tho

[onyx crane]

no raid buff sim is a 50k dps loss :3 I think I am not optimizing my 4 set enough

[orchid pewter]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[onyx crane]

also my kingsbane seems do to less dmg than it should

[plucky canopy]

It is possible, if you go into it with 3+cp -> 1. sd/kb 2.evenom 3. Garrote 4. Evenom 5. Ambush 6. Evenom

But u need to luck on cp

[clever sapphire]

do you have full envenom/shiv uptime?

press tea so it covers the later half of the kingsbane

and if with cooldowns press vanish so it covers the last 3 sec

[grim jay]

There is a 3cp envenom in there if im not tripping

[clever sapphire]

no you are, just gotta luck out with a 4cp garrote

[plucky canopy]

I am always bad with pooling before 1min cd so I use tea earlier to be able to press anything during kb

Yea correct

Just need omega luck and than u can do 3 finisher

But yea its w/e

[clever sapphire]

i mean if you used tea during first kb, it should come up when you need it during the next kb

[onyx crane]

cuz on my opener I do a lot of dmg wich ofc but then my dps plummets like Disney stocks of 2023

[clever sapphire]

that was a joke, there is no way to get 4cp from garrote

[solar night]

I just started with Assassination last week and have that same problem

[plucky canopy]

I think I sometimes get, but maybe I am tripping

[clever sapphire]

sounds about right, you are a cooldown based spec, most of your dmg comes during your cooldowns

[plucky canopy]

But if so, that's the only way to get 3 finisher

[clever sapphire]

i would assume that you are tripping, or im the unluckiest guy in the world

cause i never got 4 cp

[plucky canopy]

Haha 😂

[clever sapphire]

last time i got more than 3 was with the bug during dm

[plucky canopy]

Oh trueee

That was a thing

Than forget everything

Yea so u only can get 3 evenoms with a 3cp evenom of in sd, if you are not trolling completely and ignore kb or garrote

[torn merlin]

Does anyone have any idea why Ring of Contempt is on so many bis lists for assa when the stats are so shit?

[plucky canopy]

All stats are good mate

[grim jay]

Because they arent

[plucky canopy]

Not a bad stat this season

[solar night]

Stat DRs

[grim jay]

[clever sapphire]

is that the blackrook ring?

[grim jay]

Some mastery crit stat prio stuff incoming

[torn merlin]

yeah?

[onyx crane]

I have the arch druid ring

[clever sapphire]

no shit stat for assa

[onyx crane]

and crafted

[clever sapphire]

maybe shit stat for the gear you currently have

[onyx crane]

I just got myth galakrond legs in vault

[clever sapphire]

bis gear is based off of you having all the other pieces too

on the same ilvl

[grim jay]

My stats probably are the most balanced they have been in a long time

[clever sapphire]

thats why i got 5 pair of pants in my bags, that i can just sim

missing fyrakk pants from my collection tho

[torn merlin]

Ring of Contempt is on the bis lists but so few players on top of m+ scoreboards use it and the stats doesn't seem great

[clever sapphire]

as i said, gear dependant

maybe its just shit for the gear they have, or they have a ring that simmed better

or even better, they never got the ring

[grim jay]

We just told you the stats are fine brother

[onyx crane]

my trinkets are hc pip, hc branch and myth hourglass

[clever sapphire]

so you got branch and hourglass

and pip for the memes

noice

[onyx crane]

pip sims high on aoe

for some reason

[clever sapphire]

higher than hourglass?

[onyx crane]

yep

[clever sapphire]

never even looked at what pip gives

[gusty mirage]

Hour glass is useless in aoe

[clever sapphire]

never looked at that either

i assumed its good

xD

feelcraft at its best

[torn merlin]

isn't picking items based on a week 2 sim pretty short sighted? Isn't the gamer move to pick items that will sim better in full bis?

[grim jay]

Dont say useless

[gusty mirage]

A ST proc is useless in aoe

[plush tusk]

makes sense since haste looses its value on multitarget

[gusty mirage]

And haste is less important in aoe

[clever sapphire]

but good to know, i can just tell my guild i need pip for dungeons

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

But not useless

[clever sapphire]

now i got 2 trinkets i can say i need cause bis for m+/mythic raid

[long flare]

well, i have same question: a lot of assa have 3k+ vers, but it's a worst stat for assa. Can someone explain why?

[gusty mirage]

True, only thing useless here is me

[grim jay]

Nooo

[onyx crane]

I use pip for dungs rather than hourglass

[grim jay]

You cute

[slow sage]

cause in giga keys you die without vers

[clever sapphire]

im not gonna personally craft an item thats gonna be bis when i get mythic fyrakk pants

[normal mist]

I swear this channel is filled with crit mast people xD

[clever sapphire]

(just an example)

[grim jay]

Because it isnt. The end

[lofty junco]

i miss old times with 200%+ mastery

[normal mist]

Noooo you want crit and mast you trooooll

[clever sapphire]

assa got no worst stats

[onyx crane]

I have very little mastery

[cursive owl]

the old stat prio legacy again

[onyx crane]

eh versa I mean

master, crit, haste for me

[solar night]

Why is it used so prominently at high keys?

[onyx crane]

I think I have more leach at this point that versa :3

[plush tusk]

we are stat bitches. we take everything we get 😛

[torn merlin]

nobody was still able to answer why only 2/50 of the top m+ assa rogues use ring of contempt, are you honestly saying they all just happened to not need it with their current gear but it's still bis somehow?

[grim jay]

I love myself some stat prios and stat weight sims

[gusty mirage]

Because pips is wanted by every single person in the universe

[normal mist]

They simmed

It was better

They used

[gusty mirage]

And the other passive trinkets from dungeons suck dick

[cursive owl]

i have 2x crit than from every other stat wdym. there is no bad or good, just sim it and basicly every stat is worth it. just go for agility gear and not int

[torn merlin]

so how is it bis then if everyone who sims it doesn't pick it?

[normal mist]

BiS means you have ALL the items from the list

[sweet dawn]

It's easy to get cus we spam lower anyway, it's not bad compared to other dungeon trinkets, but basically all other trinks from dungeons are ass

[grim jay]

Maybe the bis list you are looking at isnt for m+

[royal lantern]

cus pips is a highly contested drop if it drops at all

and its frking week4, people dont have the best stuff everywhere yet lol

[clever sapphire]

does anyone know if the galakrond cheat death trinket procs before or after cheat death?

i need it for cooking purposes

[solar night]

I only have access to Heroic Pips, and have a 489 Sandglass, but it wins in every aoe sim I do. I was just curious

[torn merlin]

the top 50 players will surely have had their pick of all m+ dungeon drops at this point my man

[grim jay]

Brother the list prolly isnt for m+

[torn merlin]

says it is

[grim jay]

Where

Dont say wowhead

[cursive owl]

i have the branch and hate it. sandglass good pick it.

[unique sorrel]

Fairly sure that list is subcreation

[torn merlin]

what's wrong with wowhead if the author is a top player?

[normal mist]

I hope whispyr doesn't wake up

[lucid rain]

playing havoc makes me appreciate branch on sin

[solar night]

Branch is my other trinket

[torn merlin]

Would the same information be more accurate if it's from his blog and he didn't write it on wowhead?

[slim pebble]

I hope he does

[grim jay]

That the list isnt best FOR m+

[torn merlin]

says for m+

[royal lantern]

you mean...like....at all?

[grim jay]

No it says from

[cursive owl]

i have the crit trinket with the n
snakes as second i dunno

[normal mist]

Nah just now

[grim jay]

Its only loot from m+

[cursive owl]

whispyr would go enrage reading all the bs in here

[terse wasp]

What do u craft as 3rd cheat death cloak or ring mybe?

[torn merlin]

does anyone have a bis list that's actually for m+? I was checking murloc but didn't want to risk picking something shitty that people only have because they got bad vaults

[slow sage]

the bis list is run droptimiser on raidbots

[clever sapphire]

there aint no clear winner

probably

[cursive owl]

i believe bis in terms of whats best usage on high keys , so versa is a weel stat bec of dmg increase and dmg take decrease

[torn merlin]

isn't the droptimizer based on my current gear?

[solar night]

I’d certainly like a different option. I have not mastered the use of branch in mplus Wonder if I need to unmacro it from Deathmark and use it later to always get the buff for KB end

[clever sapphire]

you cant wear that cloak, also its shit

[slow sage]

winner winner chicken dinner

[clever sapphire]

(reason being that you have 2 embelishments already)

[torn merlin]

yeah and simming for a temporary dps increase when the rest of my gear has fucked stats seems like a terrible idea tbh

[grim jay]

Fuu has something rough in his sheet if you really want to

[spice surge]

bis is an outdated concept

[cursive owl]

u need to carry 1 orb as long as possible so u have it in kb

[clever sapphire]

macro to dm, pick up 2 orbs, pick up last orb after like 7 seconds

[cursive owl]

yes

[quick flint]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[spice surge]

The difference between different items that arent weapons or trinkets is so miniscule

That it doesnt matter

[solar night]

I understand how it works, I just can’t see the orbs in the chaos

[clever sapphire]

go left forward, go to the right

[cursive owl]

same

[clever sapphire]

now you have 2 orbs

last one is behind you

[spice surge]

Like having another ring at 489 instead of the "bis listed" ones is still within margin of error on sims, so thats like 15 dps

[cursive owl]

i just walk 2 or 3 inches forward

[clever sapphire]

so just gotta dance a bit even if you dont see it

[spice surge]

aka nothing

[clever sapphire]

its gonna be inside the boss

[terse wasp]

Ah true mb so prolly ring ye?

[torn merlin]

bis is relevant while your stats still aren't tuned, if I sim right now it will tell me to get haste at any cost since my gear is temporarily short on haste

[solar night]

Interesting. And the one behind you will reach you naturally with about the right timing?

[cursive owl]

no

[spice surge]

Theres no "tuned stats"

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[clever sapphire]

https://wago.io/4Q2L1LNd5
i use this, with this i know how much time is left on the last orb

[cursive owl]

u need to step like 2 or 3 forward or any direction so its delayed

[clever sapphire]

im personally not crafting anything, because i value my aspec crests to upgrade my already existing items more

[torn merlin]

there are balanced stats, when raidbots says it doesn't care what enchants you put on your rings, that's balanced stats

[clever sapphire]

but ye it would most likely be a ring in general

[cursive owl]

pog omo

[solar night]

Thank you!

[spice surge]

Get ilvl first either way, significantly more important

[clever sapphire]

raidbots gives me a 100dps difference between crit/mast/vers/haste as enchants

[cursive owl]

there is NEVER a balanced stat

[spice surge]

Since you dont seem to even acknowledge anything i say about stats not mattering

[torn merlin]

my vault has 483 in all slots

[clever sapphire]

okay

sim it

[cursive owl]

ye

like wtf

[clever sapphire]

whats the issue

next week you do the same thing

[torn merlin]

that's super short sighted

[spice surge]

No

[plain thicket]

hey guys, noob doubt

its normal to get low energy on envenom chaining and maintaning rupture, garrote up right?
when we get 30-40 energy, we just auto attack until 250-280 energy to recover and start another chain?

[terse wasp]

Ty gamer 😎

[cursive owl]

its not

lol

[grim jay]

!fuu what you want, no matter if useful or not, is in there

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever sapphire]

your view is classic sighted, thats the issue most likely

in classic there may be bis items

[neon heath]

How about the nerf? Was that even reasonable with the Aug buggs?

[torn merlin]

picking and equipping dps increases based on simming is a pretty dumb idea if you lack an essential part of your gear that you know you will get in the future

[clever sapphire]

okay

i know i will get fyrakk pants

in S4

do i start gearing with taht in mind?

no, im doing my keys this week

[spice surge]

Well youre under the assumption that anything that isnt a weapon or trinket is essential

[cursive owl]

pick an item, equip it, u grind the other items anyway

[spice surge]

Which is NOT TRUE

[cursive owl]

wdym

if ure this low ilvl it doesnt matter anyway

[torn merlin]

so you are saying that I should pick the haste item based on simming when I know I will add 1000+ more haste in the future when I get my boots crafted and my last tier piece? That seems like a pretty fucking stupid idea

[spice surge]

STATS DOESNT MATTER

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[cursive owl]

why ?

yes

stats doesnt matter

i was running with 4k haste just fine

[plush tusk]

hahaha tell him, why?!

[cursive owl]

no dps loss

[spice surge]

Scroll up

[plush tusk]

sarcasm off

[cursive owl]

every stat is valuable nearly equal on assa , regardless m+ or raid

[torn merlin]

please make a gear set that has no mastery and no crit whatsoever and see how well you DPS in a key then

[spice surge]

Ye it sims like 2-3% worse

[cursive owl]

m+ getting a bit more vers is good cause the dmg mitigation benifit

[slow sage]

bro i dont think this game is for you legit giving me and probably everyone else here severe brain rot

[solar night]

“You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink “

[cursive owl]

" i can only lead you to a door, u must go through yourself " morpheus~

[normal mist]

?

[slate crown]

What a life.

[plush tusk]

literally my math teacher 10 years ago kekw

[torn merlin]

so why do all the pro players, like every single one of them on the m+ leaderboards have almost identical stats to eachother then? If it truly doesn't matter

[normal mist]

Copy them then

[fossil vault]

I've got both Witherbarks branch and Ashes of Embersoul as trinkets. Have two on use is a bit awkward. Does anyone know when I should be using the second on use trinket, or should I just try getting a different passive trinket for single target?

[cursive owl]

he doesnt get it

i give up

[normal mist]

I smell bait

[slate crown]

My friend, this is world of warcraft

[normal mist]

Good bait

[slate crown]

None of this matters.

Do you think every single thing top leaderboard people do matters ?

[digital coral]

🎣

[earnest remnant]

the TLDR for it all is, that you are putting wait to much thought into stats

[grim jay]

Double on use sucks for sin

[past trail]

hey hey so if i am looking to dust off the rogue for raid and M+ - was bettween outlaw and sin - wanted to get yalls take

[slate crown]

I like stats because stats give me damage. You should get more of them.

[plush tusk]

not sure if he is a troll yet

[cursive owl]

smells like troll spirit

[torn merlin]

you realise that a sim is based on stats right? if stats don't matter then simming doesn't work

[grim jay]

[digital coral]

Oh my

[normal mist]

Mister guy

[cursive owl]

[normal mist]

You're right

We suck

Sim sucks

Bis sucks

[spice surge]

I suggest you read the responses we've given you, but im out. Enjoy

[plush tusk]

na he isn't a troll. he is a mastermind

[fossil vault]

Right, why I'm wondering if there is a specific timing I should be using. Or just trying to get a different trinket to replace one

[plush tusk]

give this man the orange color!

[cursive owl]

you know people are based on atoms, if atoms dont exsist, people does neither

[normal mist]

Just tell him he's right so he goes away

[torn merlin]

you four are just a hivemind, I bet none of you actually even know what I've been trying to say

[cursive owl]

no

[grim jay]

I mean my answer should tell you to get a passive one. While doing that you will use bark with DM and embersoul with kb inbetween

[digital coral]

The matrix is after him now

[cursive owl]

u make it as complicated as possible

[knotty dome]

so guys are we switching to outlaw or we gonna keep playing assass on st

[slate crown]

Ohhhhhhh ok yeah that's it we baited

damn

[normal mist]

Dh

[slow sage]

are you progging mythic fyrakk this week or pushing for +30's? if not just play the game instead of wasting your brain energy

[knotty dome]

well i didn't expect that answer

[fossil vault]

Okay. What would you suggest for a passive trinket for single target?

[cursive owl]

i will reroll on useless druid if i get out of this channel

like

heeelp

[solar night]

That class is ridiculous

[normal mist]

Surprise attack, you never see it coming

[cursive owl]

how are trolls like this alive

[torn merlin]

What I said was, picking a haste heavy item due to a higher sim is a pretty bad idea if you know that you will add a large amount of haste in the future

[knotty dome]

mate there are alot of 2 button classes and we keep playing some crazy milion buttons classes

[spice surge]

Which is not true

[knotty dome]

why we do that to ourself idk

[spice surge]

As weve told you several times

[plush tusk]

not sure if you know yourself what you're trying to say

[cursive owl]

we told u that it doesnt matter cause getting more haste is also as good as it were crit or mastery or vers

[solar night]

How do you know that? Do you have a crystal ball on what loot you’ll have access too “soon”

[plain thicket]

i was playing enhancement and then choose rogue because its easier.. lol

[slate crown]

My mental

[torn merlin]

I have a pretty strong feeling that I want to complete my 4 set and that I want to craft my toxic thorn footwraps, yes

[knotty dome]

wrong choice my mate

[earnest remnant]

you can have 4 different sims with 4 different stat spread and all of them can sim withing 0.2% of each other

[slate crown]

Those are real good feelings to have. I'm glad friend!

[cursive owl]

uh

[knotty dome]

now for real should i play outlaw or assas in the raid hahahahaha