assassination

[clever perch]

the valdrakken one

[slate crown]

Shiv should not be a part of any macro. I don’t know what you mean by this.

[clever perch]

emerald gift

[slate crown]

I think it’s just (old) rep tokens and some flightstones and maybe drake quests? I haven’t done that weekly in weeks

Haven’t done it since 10.2

[lavish isle]

will be assa still strong after nerfs ?

[slate crown]

It will be about 95.6% as strong in raids

Do you consider that “still strong”?

[lavish isle]

i think yes 😄

[ivory kernel]

Whats the best usage on Ashes and Witherbark if you have them both? Ashes on Deathmark and witherbark on cd after?

[slate crown]

[earnest remnant]

nah unplayable

jump ship

[faint path]

pff

[lavish isle]

so im not alone frosty

[robust scaffold]

nah id find a new hobby if i were you, assass dead

[slate crown]

The best way to use them is take them with you to other content and farm a passive trinket.

We don’t make good use of double on-use

I don’t have an answer for you for how to optionally use them

Other than to get out of that situation

Intuitive guess is use each on use with each kingsbane, alternating them each time. Probably branch on DM, ashes on off, but it’s a bad state to be in

[robust scaffold]

i mean that actually sounds pretty damn strong

alternating them?

[slate crown]

(If you literally have no other passive option)

[robust scaffold]

someone's gotta try that out

[solar night]

Sim yourself. Look at how the sim uses them. Profit?

[robust scaffold]

i thought it simmed poorly/

idk i think that's why the question exists

[slate crown]

They have. It was a super simple guess from me, our sim owners would have thought of and tested this

[ivory kernel]

I got a 483 embersoul, a 463 witherbark, and a 476 sandglass. I'll sim it and check. But I figure it has been thought of already since you mention it

[slate crown]

Oh sandglass is good

[robust scaffold]

that sounds like an ember/sandglass angle

[slate crown]

This is a question between branch and ashes, you wear sandglass and sim the others

Or just proactively decide you don’t want to deal with branch orbs and go with ashes

[solar night]

Witherbark and sandglass will likely sim highest

[slate crown]

Likely yeah

[ivory kernel]

I have to sim this properly, because raidbots actually handles simming double on use a very specific way. They use the first slot then the second, at certain intervals i think?

IDK how I could make that find the best spot to do it.

[slate crown]

I would recommend just not

Just lock in sandglass

[ivory kernel]

I agree

thats a lotta work

lol

[slate crown]

And sim the two on use against each other

[grim jay]

Just use topgear

To sim double onuse

[lofty junco]

should i get the legs for catalyst usage for 4pc or something else and use catalyst on the shoulders?

https://i.imgur.com/rgixFXd.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/QzYyDav.png
https://i.imgur.com/t3n9qtG.png

[grim jay]

Never use cata on champion gear

[robust scaffold]

thats what I personally think, but people last week and the week before were telling others to cata champion gear just to get the 4set 💀

was cringe imo

[faint path]

so sad vault

[ivory kernel]

The sims hate double on use. I imagine if you did find a way to sim on use with each shadowdance kingsbane window, youd find something else out, but its probably not better. about 3-4k dps increase singletarget with the one passive trinket on raidbots, for anyone else who was curious.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4oREP1SsDEUeu77bicq1Mo

[lofty junco]

last time i was told to use it at least on champion gear

[grim jay]

You can just farm hero gear. No reason to cata champion

[grand trail]

You are full on socket's? They are great

[lofty junco]

well guess heroic legs it is then

[faint path]

What should we craft this week ? Im thinking about ring

[robust scaffold]

i think crafted ring stats suck compared to some of these ring drops

i made a cloak lol

[molten galleon]

I got both daggers this weak after about 30 runs. And now Vault, so scripted.. 😄

[slate crown]

Couldn’t find someone to max craft your mainhand weapon?

[ivory kernel]

No. Need someone badly.

[slate crown]

Sec

[grim jay]

Depends on what you need. I'll craft head for offspec

[lofty junco]

next week we get new catalyst?

[grand trail]

You can pick Boe head for sub

[slate crown]

@robust scaffold my reasoning for Ring which I think is a decent choice. Cloak is fine too, but I did ring. #assassination message

[grim jay]

Yeah imma craft my embellishment on that

[grand trail]

I see, well I'm locked in well fed buff this week 😄

Noway I'm not picking it for qol

[grim jay]

Yeah its kinda huge

[indigo mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

And ring goes well

[grand trail]

I was not lucky with rings so far, so it's like 2.5k DPS gain too

[robust scaffold]

ahh ok solid reasons i guess I didn't sim it and I decided long-term having a socket on the ring wasn't enough to justify it since I know Im gonna get sockets every week out of the vault from now until 11.0 release

[slate crown]

I mean if you’ve got access to reliable myth rings then you have less of a reason. I just don’t, not until hof opens up and cross realm mythic is unlocked (stupid restriction).

[sharp viper]

awww yiss

[slate crown]

Grats

[arctic tusk]

same could be said about having access to mythic waist or something

[turbid sandal]

So people are going without Amp Poison this week?

[slate crown]

I’ve been going without amp poison every week in keys

[robust scaffold]

^

[turbid sandal]

well today I caught up then!

[austere fulcrum]

When we get our cata item to change tier items ?

[gusty mirage]

next reset

[austere fulcrum]

Neext ? I thought it wa this week

[grim jay]

But you got one last week

[slate crown]

This week is spark

[sharp viper]

this week is another crafted item

[austere fulcrum]

Yea time is a strange concept for me lately, okay thanks guys 🙂

[clever perch]

I'm missing one spark

i guess i skipped superbloom last week

only way to get it is doing m+ now?

[grim jay]

Or raid

[fervent relic]

Do we wanna use Pips Emerald or Cataclysmic Signet Brand in Raid as our 2. trinket?

[grim jay]

Should be the fastest options

[clever perch]

we should have 2 stack to craft a spark today right?

or only 1/2

[gaunt ocean]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[grim jay]

One full spark

[clever perch]

well then i guess i missed superbloom, sad

[grim jay]

You dont get it from superbloom

Wdym

Its the 1.5k rep weekly

[clever perch]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[clever perch]

we still want the Beast buff?

[fervent relic]

What kind of buff?

[clever perch]

. xD

the buff from the dagger

[kind forge]

Depends

Some prefer 10% ms, as far as I know

[clever perch]

since when do we have a cheat death buff on the dagger lol

[fervent relic]

How can you choose the buff? i didnt know there was one

[robust scaffold]

do u keep these buffs if u unequip the dagger tho???

[clever perch]

i mean you keep the buff saved

[slim hedge]

No

[clever perch]

but in order to have the buff u need to have the dagger equiped

just like omnious trinket

[slim hedge]

The dagger also seems a little Sus. Can get multiple debuffs from the chest death

[cinder geode]

is it still worth to go extra cp on ambush over tight spender

after the blindside nerf

[clever perch]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[clever perch]

why does it say 5% speed when it's 10%

[balmy condor]

why does it say cheat death when it's a weak 10% heal under 20% hp

these questions and more

[glad garden]

would it be dumb to take a 441 piece of gear over a 476 piece of gear because it's a set piece and your 463 boots sim a little higher?

[balmy condor]

cannot be answered by science

[clever perch]

not rly comparable lol

[robust scaffold]

who cares my g

[balmy condor]

I mean it's dumb both ways but yeh

[robust scaffold]

instead of trippin over this go farm fall for your actual dagger

[balmy condor]

none of the shit matters

[clever perch]

i wanna be speedy

[tame tangle]

nothing matters

[clever perch]

btw whispyr im stuck on tindral MM what do i do now

[robust scaffold]

mf roleplaying with some weak ass buffs lmao

[clever perch]

actually

[balmy condor]

rope shower curtain chair kick

[clever perch]

speed dagger buff kinda bis to fly in tindral

[robust scaffold]

LMFAOOOOOO

[clever perch]

yikes

[solid mica]

can each side of this proc once per minute or just one of them per minute, feel like it'd be unintended if you couldn't proc each once per minute

[robust scaffold]

WAIT WHAT IS THE CURTAIN FOR IN THIS INSTANCE LOL

[balmy condor]

tindral is the last fun prog boss

[static glacier]

ayo whispyr, is it ever correct to send tea outside of cds? (thinking to cover a rupture refresh without dropping env chain)?

[balmy condor]

smolderon is dogshit

tindral is dogshit

[clever perch]

after shiv yea

[balmy condor]

it's only suffering past tindral friend

lock in

get some weed

idk

[sharp viper]

how would you even proc the fire damage part as a rogue? got those fiery weapon enchants on your daggers?

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[robust scaffold]

wait why does it matter as long as you have 1 tea up for CDs????

[balmy condor]

what, of course it is

you only use 1 tea during cds

and that's up every minute

what else are you using the tea on

[static glacier]

I've been seeing some logs use double tea for DM

[balmy condor]

yeah

they're fucking idiots

[robust scaffold]

LOL

[clever perch]

my man drinking real tea at home out of cds

[robust scaffold]

how much DPS do they gain from 2 teas during DM?

100?

[clever perch]

100 what

[balmy condor]

how much do they gain? probably negative 0.4-0.5%

[robust scaffold]

💀

[static glacier]

second question is

[clever perch]

sim it

[balmy condor]

double tea cds is real garbage

[static glacier]

is it better to keep env chain and drop rupture for 2-3s or keep rupture and drop enc chain

[balmy condor]

keep rupture

[static glacier]

im too sick to write apl atm. been taking days off work while dying

I ask our beloved tc instead

[clever perch]

it was a joke hahah

[balmy condor]

I already simmed it all anyway

I see nothing but darkness

[solid mica]

there's a couple ways, but i got some secret tech that procs it but i wasn't sure if u could get both

[clever perch]

god whispyr im soo fast right now

now i can wipe faster at tindral

[robust scaffold]

mf said secret tech like he's about to hit us with the flame helmet from season 1

[balmy condor]

[solid mica]

na that'd be funny tho

[clever perch]

tbh supposed nerfs on tindral are not nerfs

are fixes

the boss needs a real nerf

[sharp viper]

he has both the kazzak neck and the ourobororororeal neck on at the same time

[robust scaffold]

LMAO

that is true secret tech if so

[clever perch]

depending of a dps using taunt in order to be able to play the boss is already dumb

[balmy condor]

And you still have to do it

It didn’t even fix it

[clever perch]

wdym

wait what

wasnt that getting fixed today?

[faint path]

I think gonna craft ring

[north hinge]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[tawny geyser]

I mean it sims higher of course, its a dagger...
But should I really miss the opportunity for Pips? I need some advice here please ! ❤️

[robust scaffold]

ik it's probably wrong but I'd take the Pips

[lavish quarry]

how does dragon-tempered blades work exactly?

[tawny geyser]

@balmy condor What do you think?

[robust scaffold]

i feel like u can just farm a dungeon on CD until your brain turns to a vegetable to get your 2 daggers, but you can't do anything about getting pips or not getting pips really

cant control that 100%

[drifting cloud]

whats this random obsession with pips lol

[balmy condor]

I'd take the dagger

[robust scaffold]

i mean he has 2 on use trinkets equipped

thats all I was trying to say

[balmy condor]

you talent into it, it lets you apply 2 poisons, but you apply 30% less poisons

[tawny geyser]

yeah but 2nd on use works with 2nd kingsbane

[plucky canopy]

Head is a no brainer unless u have 489 already

[tawny geyser]

so its not really a problem.

[static glacier]

it's actually my single biggest upgrade from raid atm

[lavish quarry]

both poisons %30 less?

[robust scaffold]

just read up like 1 hour ago there was quite a long convo about that with Lisonna

[balmy condor]

yes ofc

it's a multiplier to everything

to envenom's poison chance is 30% lower

[robust scaffold]

but Whispyr is here now he can just confirm whether that's good or not

[lavish quarry]

oh, now it made sense, thx!

[balmy condor]

improved poison is 30% lower

the base 30% is 30% lower

[plucky canopy]

Socket on items nowadays is just one less vault until u are done

[tawny geyser]

Hmm...I guess I'll listen to my boy Whispyr, but still thank you for info mate, I appreciate it.

[balmy condor]

what am I confirming

[granite oar]

just got my 4p how does the rotation change? should i spam envenom over everything when dots are applied?

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[robust scaffold]

the potency of branch on DM / ember on non-DM CDs

[balmy condor]

yeh shit sucks

[drifting cloud]

double on use is bad.

[robust scaffold]

yeah exactly lol

[drifting cloud]

that doesnt mean you take pips

[balmy condor]

your non deathmark kb is weaker than my geriatric grandma

[robust scaffold]

Yeah stick with the trinket homie!

[balmy condor]

if trinkets are a 20% increase to burst right, your average kingsbanes without deathmark are like 1 mil

buffing that

versus buffing a real cooldown phase

is just a no brainer

the deathmark adds 1mil by itself

[faint path]

more nerf BM hunter pls

[subtle tundra]

After my prog is over

Pls

[mystic osprey]

so many people running this build

in high keys

[boreal junco]

More ST and prio dmg

[mystic osprey]

no sudden demise is so wrong to me though even in 20s

[agile fossil]

wtf is that

[mystic osprey]

shit just dies too quick

[mystic osprey]

verdant sanc bands arent bad

but you got scammed

[balmy condor]

probably a ring angle tbh

mythic ring pog

[mystic osprey]

that ring is nice

[balmy condor]

the wrists are hero track and an embellishment slot

fuck that

[agile fossil]

probably the ring yeah ...

[balmy condor]

but yeh, either ring or hands for catalyst

ring is good

no issues there

[rotund oak]

got that ring

[mystic osprey]

I got a wring as well

[frank axle]

which bosses do you have to kill with raid skip, 1+2+7+8+9?

[mystic osprey]

ring

[rotund oak]

ring is poggers

[mystic osprey]

thats what I got from vault

[agile fossil]

1-2-8-9 i think

[rotund oak]

quite nice its bis list

gz man

im getting the arch ring

[mystic osprey]

I got raid in hour

[rotund oak]

but ye,im malding 3 weeks without a trinket

[idle radish]

I swear sudden demise is kinda pad in dungeons

Let me have my prio dmg instead

[rotund oak]

everyhting is pad in dungeons

[balmy condor]

10% bleed damage is just pad

true

and real

based even

[idle radish]

Hahah SHiT

I kinda forgot

About the other part of the talent

[balmy condor]

this shits just pad

[runic hinge]

Trash don’t gotta die so any damage that isn’t to bosses is just pad

[idle radish]

Yooooo my MY B

[balmy condor]

kingsbane and caustic

my one true god

but yeh

[idle radish]

the KILL DEATH PART OK!

[balmy condor]

sudden demise

is okay

but nothing crazy

[rotund oak]

KB

we gone

[sick radish]

deathmark is boss pad

[balmy condor]

I had a big rant about m+ builds earlier

you can go find that if you'd like, I won't

but it is what it is

[idle radish]

Do u get what I mean tho whispee

Maybe

2am thoughts

Maybe I’m onto something

Maybe I’m onto nothing

[grim jay]

If you mean the pad shizz, I dont think there is something to get

Its just not true

[idle radish]

What is that execute portion actually saving u in a key

Compared to bigggggg prio dmg bigggggggg

[grim jay]

The damage it does

[idle radish]

But it feels like I’m just snipe dmg

[idle radish]

Rather than pumping it

[empty lava]

[idle radish]

Idk how to describe my thoughts rn

They seem so real and profound

[grim jay]

If you play for it like mad maybe, but then you are doing it wrong anyways

[idle radish]

I don’t play for sudden demise

I don’t use it anymore

[rotund oak]

thats a cool vault

[fickle viper]

the vault of vaults i apologize for linking this

(brand has avoidance too)

[rotund oak]

so u get a bis wpn

gz

[fickle viper]

@fiery flower ty for the vault luck brother

[grim jay]

Easy weapon still, everything else is kinda irrelevant at that point

[idle radish]

Last boss of atal dazar uptime is horrendous

Pugging a 24 just running around the edge sometimes getting a full kingsbane window

By any means necessary fellas

[granite oar]

anyone using the hybrid m+ build? its simming a bit higher for me then arterial should i switch?

[rigid sphinx]

Hey, do you guy's know why raidbots keeps recommanding me hast+vers rings on both instead of crit mastery ? Is vers that strong on assa ?

[plain onyx]

I play Hybrid, they all perform the same in terms of dps.

[balmy condor]

because it's more damage for your character to get haste and vers instead of crit and mast

[storm forum]

My decision between dtb and ap is do I want energy to feel good (ap) or do I want my kb wa to tell me I popped off (dtb/hybrid)

[balmy condor]

stats are not laws

you're allowed to get stats even when they're not listed on some website as the generic better stats

[rigid sphinx]

oh okay, so its fully based on my character, smth strong for me isn"t for someone else i guess

[simple ore]

whispyr if you don't tell me the exact stat values to aim for I will scream

[clever perch]

https://www.twitch.tv/zerocoolx/clip/SoftRealFlamingoPanicVis-liy5Ef-wC40giIUF is this a known bug? i mean, does this always happen or it was a weird random bug?

[simple ore]

yes just sim yourself and leave it at that

[balmy condor]

get a really big plastic bag, put it over your head, tape it around your neck, and then scream until you can't, works 100% of the time I promise

[balmy condor]

always happened

[simple ore]

thank you will try it now

[balmy condor]

been like that since the dawn of time

[clever perch]

wow great game

still no fix i guess

i dont even know what to say

[balmy condor]

I mean it's intended from what I understand on the interaction

so

yeah, not fixed

if a DH imprisons a mob, or a warlock banishes

[clever perch]

i'll do a macro to spam dhs to remove their fear sigil talents

[balmy condor]

you can't bleed those mobs either

[simple ore]

I guess it removes bleeds to stop them insta breaking cc

[balmy condor]

yeah

[clever sapphire]

they cant, its autotalented as vdh

[drifting cedar]

guys is it much of a dps loss to use branch and not give a fuck about the orbs at all?

[runic hinge]

I also kinda love ap but I did a 20 eb this morning and my kb’s weren’t pretty

[clever perch]

i wont play with vdh then

[balmy condor]

I mean maybe they fix this interaction specifically if people keep bitching about it endlessly

[clever perch]

when i go assa

[plucky canopy]

Had it on first pull of dark heart thicket, fear sigil in opener and it is gg 😂

[clever perch]

i mean they should, holy fk

[balmy condor]

but it's not an uncommon interaction amongst the hard cc's

[storm forum]

Yeah a lot of fear/incap CCs are coded to remove all DoTs, so that they wouldn't break the CC immediately. However it ends up being inconsistent.

[clever sapphire]

when does it even happen tho? Like i have been playing with a vdh since season start and i never noticed it happen

[grim jay]

Might aswell just play ashes

[simple ore]

as soon as fear sigil goes off

[storm forum]

Idk why they changed it and why it only removes some dots

[plucky canopy]

Can be a havoc aswell

[storm forum]

And why it's only some ccs

[drifting cedar]

I swear it's so annoying to play branch

[clever sapphire]

but then its not a 100% chance of it happening, cause yesterday we went into a low dawn just to test it out, and everytime i put bleeds up and whatnot

he pressed sigil

and nothing happened

all bleeds were still on

[storm forum]

Sometimes the execute DM KBs pop off though

[clever perch]

i do play ashes instead branch in every raid boss except smolderon (i go subt)

and same goes with m+

[simple ore]

btw whispyr, do you know if anything was changed with the bonespike build? Was simming like 2% higher than normal build last week but after nerfs it now sims like 2% lower. Didn't think the bone spike build would be affected more by the nerfs.

[balmy condor]

seems kinda reasonable to me

[clever sapphire]

bonespike was simming 5k less for me, tell me your secrets

(even before nerfs)

[balmy condor]

bone spike was lethal dose stacks for kb

now kb is less important

[simple ore]

ahhh

that makes sense, I didn't think about that

[balmy condor]

you probably got gear

idk

2% to -2% is a big swing

but the fact that it's worse

isn't too surprising

[grim jay]

Dunno. Its really fine if you do it right

[simple ore]

only upgrade I got was a higher ilvl version of the neck I already had

[plucky canopy]

Bone spike build lost a lot of dps for me with 4 set

[clever sapphire]

im gonna cook tomorrow mr whispyr, gonna play bonespike build but with sepsis on smolderon hc

[storm forum]

Yeah I got some new rings and sbs went from margin of error% ahead to nearly 4% behind.

Thought it was the rings, might have also been the nerf

[grim jay]

May god have mercy

[simple ore]

yeah not too worried about it, was just interesting I lost so much on it

[quartz shore]

what's the best stats for assa ?

[simple ore]

ilvl is the best stat

[quartz shore]

what ? :p

[clever sapphire]

im tired of reclearing hc, so i just wanna check how much dmg it would do when pressed in dmg windows

[quartz shore]

sad

[storm forum]

Assassination just likes stats.

We want as much of them as possible

[thorny aurora]

sad moment when you farmed 2 nick of times in fall and the 489 dagger from the 2nd boss sims higher 😦

[quartz shore]

ok ok i'll try then p

[clever sapphire]

agi crit mastery haste and vers

leech and avoidance are also preffered

[teal cedar]

so how do we deal with this kingsbane nerf!?

[clever sapphire]

reroll warlock

[arctic tusk]

reroll

[thorny aurora]

we don't

[grim jay]

I wonder if you are really surprised

[simple ore]

you swap to sub

[runic hinge]

Play feral

[rough girder]

assa kind of felt like shit in my raid tn

[thorny aurora]

i'm not, got them farming that stupid hourglass anyway

[rough girder]

felt like way more than a 4% nerf

[storm forum]

Assa felt like it fucking owned tonight

[clever sapphire]

did you get pi

[rough girder]

ye

[storm forum]

I got PIs and Aug and popped off (except on smold heroic, I fucked up giga)

[clever sapphire]

so personal issue

[gleaming oar]

Is there any changes to the ST build with the nerfs?

[rough girder]

?

[simple ore]

no

[balmy condor]

that's not what that means

[rough girder]

yeah

idk wtf that is

[clever sapphire]

wait i read the wrong way around

whoops

[storm forum]

SBS seems to be slightly worse for some of us if you were using that. Sim yourself.

[clever sapphire]

deleting troll message

[flint fiber]

how is augury trinket for m+ as assa?

[storm forum]

Iirc, not great, we have better options.

[runic hinge]

Augury isn’t that good if it procs outside your cds

[plain onyx]

are these stats somehow considered good for both m+/raids ?

[simple ore]

those are definitely some stats

[storm forum]

Idk, probably

You know for all the people asking for stats

I'm surprised no one posted the gif

[clever sapphire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[clever sapphire]

this one?

[storm forum]

LMAO

Not that one

The one that's like, I have x y z stats, how good is it? 418 ilvl btw

[grim jay]

"Just want to know if im heading in the right direction"

[ionic otter]

Hi partypeeps, any Suggestion on m+ which build is the way to go for this week for 20s/21s?

[wide whale]

lets gooo

this has eluded me for so many runs

[grim jay]

The one you personally enjoy

[clever sapphire]

ye all of them work

[strange python]

im a big hybrid no CT enjoyer

[hasty flower]

How bad will my dps be if i don't do the Shadow Dance + NIghtstalker thingy?

[grim jay]

Yeah thats why I didnt mean you

[storm forum]

Wait the no CT builds weren't a meme?

[grim jay]

They are

[clever sapphire]

same, i love that i get both poison bomb and blindside in one build

[balmy condor]

the no CT builds are fine

[storm forum]

Ok I have something to try now

[balmy condor]

one of the better builds atm is basically just the single target build

but with caustic carnage and iron wire

[wide whale]

my personal favorite

does tens of damages

[clever sapphire]

you have bonespike, so i cant really argue against it

[grim jay]

Wtf

[grim jay]

Tens might be true

Ngl

[strange python]

is that ST build the one that i see on zerocools runs

[hasty flower]

so no Indiscriminate Carnage or Suden Demise? and that works?

i didin't play assa since BFA

[balmy condor]

brother I swear to god

[runic hinge]

You can sim it. Theres a no dance build on wowhead

[wide whale]

this gave me a good chuckle hahaha

[balmy condor]

it's literally

right after

it's the same block

[hasty flower]

jesus ok

[balmy condor]

there's not even a message between them

[clever sapphire]

whats this caustic carnage talent?

did we get another rework?

[runic hinge]

It’s old exsang

But new

[storm forum]

Is the build on your wowhead guide or do I have to steal it from an aggregate site?

[ionic otter]

Last week i mostly ran with the arterial shock one, but with this week beeing tyrannical , i was not Sure...

[strange python]

caustic does some heavy lifting

[balmy condor]

it's on wowhead

[runic hinge]

Aggregate this

[storm forum]

Nice, I'll peep there tomorrow

[runic hinge]

Okay I should go to bed

[storm forum]

[grim jay]

That sounds awfully close to the one that fuu had on his sheet

[storm forum]

Good night tony

[balmy condor]

I haven't looked at that sheet all patch

but last I heard it was an arterial setup

[strange python]

envenom explosion and caustic just slap in that Cleavey build

[astral cypress]

hey guys is there a specific reason why everyone crafts the wrist and not the belt?

[balmy condor]

belt has more stats

craft can go to 486

[fiery flower]

@fickle viper did not work

[balmy condor]

myth track can go higher

[astral cypress]

thanks

[spring socket]

whats best for a 3rd craft to use a flavour pocket? Finger or neck ?

[balmy condor]

whatever sims higher for you

[strange python]

i wonder how the cleave build will fare on trash damage on a non fort week, but it will be value as fuck for the bosses

[runic hinge]

Ring gets you a free socket

[strange python]

i guess the Demise wont be missed too much

[clever sapphire]

trash already died too fast last week

[balmy condor]

zerocool be swapping builds constantly

it really doesn't matter

especially not if you're just some loser doing 23's or whatever

and not 28's

[strange python]

yeah true it wont effecr me at his level

[balmy condor]

my weekly 20's for vault don't need every oozed drop of 0.2% min max

I just play whatever I think is fun that day

and it works fine

they all play basically the same anyway

[wide whale]

so hybrid is garbage now and i should respec immediately?

[strange python]

thats what i heard

[shut canopy]

yessir

[clever sapphire]

quack

[shut canopy]

🦆

[wide whale]

i could not do damage with arterial precision build 😦

[clever sapphire]

reroll dh

faceroll keyboard

do 1M dps

profit

[grave phoenix]

How much % ist the nerf in St overall?

[wide whale]

about eleventy

[balmy condor]

sounds like a great reason to not play it for you I guess

[wide whale]

i want to figure out why at some point, i see some rogues really pop off with it

[clever sapphire]

spread bleeds, press aoe shiv, profit

[wide whale]

but papa told me to save the shivs for the kbs

[shut canopy]

might just be better timings for sending cd's and shivs for sudden demise stonks

[clever sapphire]

well you playin for st dmg or aoe

[wide whale]

that's a good point

[clever sapphire]

and ye ik kingsbane spatter cleave whatever

[balmy condor]

you can do both ya know

[grim jay]

@balmy condor saw someone running this while on my DK

[balmy condor]

they aren't mutually exclusive

[balmy condor]

yeh that's not the move lmao

[clever sapphire]

true, just send kb and shiv both after putting up bleeds

💥

[wide whale]

ok i'll try again

[grim jay]

Its wild with instant an deadly

[balmy condor]

the whole point of the cleave build

is that you don't take CT

and you play for more single target

and this mfer really just said

"nah, I want the worst of both worlds"

[grim jay]

I mean he got them balls to just roll with it

Gotta respect

Asked what got him into that. Said its more St and slightly worse aoe than standard build

[balmy condor]

[wide whale]

where are you placing the talent point freed up by hybrid/no-CT?

[wide whale]

or was this a meme

this feels like a meme i retract everything i've said

good night

[balmy condor]

just

look on wowhead

there's a build

called cleave

that's the one you're looking for

[clever sapphire]

there are like 10 builds on wowhead at this point

[north kiln]

Thought Cteave is our new build name

[clever sapphire]

(i didnt count, random number)

[strange python]

yep[ and they all work

[north kiln]

[balmy condor]

people said it was confusing

[clever sapphire]

and for the keys the majority of players are doing, all builds are valid

[balmy condor]

and I still get asked why there's X build and not Y build

[north kiln]

[thorny aurora]

whatever your build you'll always feel terrible when the dh rushes down your kingsbane/dm target anyway 🤷

[clever sapphire]

why is there no smolderon sepsis tech build

[wide whale]

i want an assassination build with only bleeds because poisons are a cowards weapon

[balmy condor]

[solid mica]

is there a way to sim the dps difference in upgrading the ilvl of embellished items?

[grim jay]

You dont know about the smolderon ER CB sepsis superiority build?

[solid mica]

i cant seem to find a way in topgear or droptimizer and even altering the simc input doesn't seem to work

[clever sapphire]

no worries whispyr, i will cook up that build for you tomorrow on heroic, because thats where shit builds shine the most

[simple dome]

Gear compare

[clever sapphire]

er coldblood

gotta maximize the dmg window

[grim jay]

Corrected it

[clever sapphire]

pog

[strange python]

what if coldblood snapshotted the whole dot, i feel like that should be fine, dont even test it, just make it happen

[clever sapphire]

sounds reasonable

now we can just not take MA

one free point easy, why did we not think of that

[solid mica]

what a chad, thanks

[orchid pewter]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[lavish isle]

which build u prefer for m+ ? im using this one

[clever sapphire]

the one that gives me the good vibes on the day

lately its either the hybrid build, or the spatter cleave one

[spring socket]

y drop blindside ?

[clever sapphire]

without ct

[neat rain]

We still running KB right? I don't think 15% was TOO big

[clever sapphire]

pins

[strange python]

spatter cleave feels good if you can pick the mob taht noone else directly targets

and get that fat KB off

evenwithout its still fun

[neat rain]

Rad thought so

[clever sapphire]

spatter cleave feels good because i have poison bomb and blindside

now if only i would also have bonespike in there

[neat rain]

I do feel a lot less procs from blindside tho

My serotonin has taken a hit because I get less flashy ambush button

[balmy condor]

the fact that y'all feel the blindside change is wild to me

do you guys have nothing else to focus on

I did reclear today

didn't feel a thing

maybe I'm insane

[spring socket]

it feels ok i asked y he dropped

[neat rain]

Big flashy stab attack make brain chemical go "Smile"

[tawny geyser]

3 items in an hour...I'm happy with this week 😄 les goo

[balmy condor]

why who dropped what

[spring socket]

some 1 said they dropped it for tiny toxic

[balmy condor]

oh

I mean better aoe i guess idk

[naive sierra]

Any reason why rings are simming incredibly high?

[spring socket]

which 1 is spattter cleave on wowhead ?

[clever sapphire]

i mean, with all the talent build requests you have been getting and putting on wowhead? i wouldnt be surprised if you were getting insane slowly

[balmy condor]

good upgrades

[solid mica]

what does the "simc default" for weapon runes actually sim? is it whats generally considered bis or does it consider ur gear

[silk bane]

have u considered that u felt nothing because u took so many monsters it killed u inside?

[naive sierra]

Just seems strange, Im gaining only 109 crit, 35 mastery, and 70 haste from the ring vs Mythic tier shoulders which is +~76 agi as well

[worn fossil]

hi you beauty

[balmy condor]

simc default is generic bis, so feast, crit phial, double buzzing runes

[solid mica]

will it override ur settings for phial, or does it just apply to the runes in that case

also i saw the bis sims running the vers/haste food 😮

[balmy condor]

well if you set the option to not simc default, it won't be the simc default

[solid mica]

lol yea i didn't know if it blanketed the other settings or not

as like an ez button or whatever

[balmy condor]

would kinda ruin those settings wouldn't it

[neat rain]

Instead of grinding for the rings from BRH I think I'm gonna try recrafting titanic signet from last season since it has flavor pocket, good idea or bad what do you guys think?

[solid mica]

getting the socket from it is p nice

that's what i did

[balmy condor]

rings are good crafts

[spring socket]

i miss pocket costing me a fortune during progress

[clever sapphire]

i farmed 10 brh yesterday for ring (never got it), i got haste mastery ring in vault today with leech and socket, i wasted half my day on it and now i get ring from vault

do i feel happy or annoyed

im confused

[tardy blade]

karma has blessed you child, rejoice

[tawny geyser]

ah man thats crazy, gz!

[solid wagon]

you never got it so technically you can feel satisfied that you don't have to farm it anymore

Glass half-ful, etc etc

[neat rain]

I actually got the haste mastery ring from weekly time walking chest in hero with speed so that was beyond worth

[clever sapphire]

aight guess im gonna be happy

leggo

[toxic ocean]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[ancient rain]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[naive sierra]

@balmy condor Thanks for answering about ring sim just seems strange that the ring in this case is simming about 1.7k dps higher than choosing shoulders

[balmy condor]

yeah

seems pretty reasonable

you get a socket

[naive sierra]

True, super torn.

[lusty mountain]

why is this happening Q_Q (476 ilvl siming less than mine)

[balmy condor]

did you put sockets on it

[pseudo hamlet]

no gems?

[lusty mountain]

dude

XDDDDDDDDDD

im so stupid

tysm

[icy acorn]

https://i.gyazo.com/ddaf8f51f2bda9c9d2163efd4cc56bc6.png

[drifting cedar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZX8Hw4aPjKb6tDz7#fight=10
can someone help I rly can't find what I am doing wrong

[clever sapphire]

thats a vault yap

can confirm

[icy acorn]

yeah but it couldnt be worse

socket time

[lusty mountain]

did the same dps
in my details was showing 280k idk why

[sharp elk]

aug

some shit doesnt show up still

[lusty mountain]

doesnt count for wlogs?

wtf

[balmy condor]

[lusty mountain]

i want to kms

[subtle tundra]

[balmy condor]

how would augvokers do damage on logs

[real pike]

hey guys 17 millionth "vault advice" I'm sure. don't want to just sim cause I want the best pick for the future which I think is the mythic track chest (currently have champ) rather than bis-for-ST trinket (current trinkets are Pips Badge and Sandglass both Hero)

[balmy condor]

if it didn't re-attribute your damge

[real pike]

any advice very welcome

[balmy condor]

probably would take the chest

very tempted to take trinket though

[steel stump]

sandglass is cool

[sharp elk]

ya chest is easier to get in mythic tbh

[steel stump]

one of the best simming trinkets

[sharp elk]

but can get a heroic trinket easier than a mythic chest i guess

[copper dew]

concidering the nerfs ,is assa still good in m+ ?

[balmy condor]

I mean I don't think anything in the top row is even worth consdiering

[real pike]

so when you say tempted for trinket you mean the sandglass upgrade?

[sharp elk]

doesnt 483 signet sim higher than glass at 489

[clever sapphire]

well you still dont have branch

[balmy condor]

no, the 2% that it got nerfed by in dungeons really killed the spec, super dead insta unplayable. We were only ever played cause of exactly those 2%

/s

[balmy condor]

yes

[real pike]

I guess it's a factor my guild won't be at the same level as you guys. We're only on hc Tindral

[drifting cedar]

why's that 🙂

[copper dew]

i didnt know exactly how much of big % wise the nerf was but my kingsbane surely does alot less damage or smth is wrong with my character Xd

[balmy condor]

the pins know

[real pike]

15% less in fact

[balmy condor]

no shot

[plucky canopy]

KB is not that much of your dmg in aoe as in st

[clever sapphire]

15% less dmg of a parried kingsbane is still 0, i dont know how you guys can feel the difference

[real pike]

sorry not sure what you mean

[primal terrace]

This should be easy cata shoulder choice, right? 😄 Cuz the recommended bis rings are without mastery, due to the softcap and branch I assume. Simming but the queue is giga huge so wanted to ask for opinion as well 😄

[balmy condor]

I'm taking one of those rings

every day of the week

[clever sapphire]

branch from everbloom is kinda your bis trinket

[plucky canopy]

Does that actually happens?😂

[clever sapphire]

i dont wanna talk about it

[copper dew]

i have a KB wa that shows you the damage it does for full duration , i usually do ( low ilvl tho , ) 2-3M overall per use KB damage , but now im doing 1.2-1.4m

[real pike]

yeah sorry I know that but how does not having it affect me choice

[balmy condor]

don't even need to consider the other stuff that's just an insta ring

[primal terrace]

which of the 2 😄

[balmy condor]

either

both if you can

[plucky canopy]

Oh no

[primal terrace]

hahah 😄

[lunar elbow]

Is the 4 set in pvp worth it? If yes: on what slots? Ty 😄

[balmy condor]

#pvp

and It would be pretty crazy

if it wasn't worth tbh

[primal terrace]

Alright, taking one of the rings then, tyvm Whisp

[balmy condor]

whats the stats on the left one

[primal terrace]

sec

[plucky canopy]

Crit mastery

[clever sapphire]

good point, would take the chest like whispyr said. Champion to mythic track is kinda big

[balmy condor]

neat

[burnt bolt]

Cuz it’s tyr this week and stuff dies before you even get to the second shiv unless ur doing high keys

[pseudo hamlet]

I guess you cannot be winning always 😛 Hands it is!

[balmy condor]

I've never seen that anthia's thing in my life

[tough night]

hey guys, what are you crafting with Spark this week if anything?

[real pike]

awesome thanks everyone ❤️ love this disc

[copper dew]

yea , true i tested 12-13s

[plucky canopy]

Sounds about right 2-3m with dm, 1mio without

[primal terrace]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/efe5emkyAXCww45teBv8Jg and this is what I'm currently running

[real pike]

Prob a dagger for me, only have 1 NoT

[clever sapphire]

ah so archdruids doesnt come with leech on it. Neat, so i actually did luck out an insane ring from vault cause it has leech and a socket

[plucky canopy]

I think it is Throne stuff

[burnt bolt]

I made a ring cuz it comes either the stats I want and a hole

[balmy condor]

makes sense

[primal terrace]

yeah def huge with socket and leech xd

[tough night]

I have both NoT, and boots + wrist craft and not sure what to craft next..

[clever sapphire]

but thats kind of a short term craft, are you sure about that?

[tough night]

xd

[clever sapphire]

well if you have a neck/ring thats still low ilvl just craft that

im considering just not crafting anything

and using my crests for upgrading gear

[tough night]

yea same here

[clever sapphire]

cause crafted shit is not that insane anyways

[tough night]

because we scale very well with ilvl

[clever sapphire]

not anymore

[plucky canopy]

Why did I knew that this would be your answer 😂

[real pike]

I have Boots and Bracers with toxified patch, none of the other slots have a craft as bis so I'm just going for wanky big numbers I guess 😄 what would you recommend

[balmy condor]

I cycle between the same 10 responses to every question ever asked in here like voicelines on an NPC

[plucky canopy]

[real pike]

with a healthy dose of 'check the pins' mixed in

[balmy condor]

that's one of the voicelines

[clever sapphire]

well not sure about your gear, but crafting a dagger means you could be replacing it in even the next dungeon if nick of time drops, i would just straight up not craft anything or craft something for offspec

cause in my eyes crests are worth more than a crafted item

[real pike]

I guess most crafts could be replaced in the next dungeon/raid

[rotund oak]

u should make a notepad and copypaste them lul

[real pike]

but ahhhh using the aspects for upgrades

that's a good point

[primal terrace]

facts ;d

[clever sapphire]

ya, so unless you got a lot of spare aspects and gold i wouldnt craft anything

[plucky canopy]

The voices

[clever sapphire]

and if you got a lot of spare, craft the dagger

[real pike]

very wise

I do not have spare and I have un-upgraded mythic tracks

the big numbers shall have to wait

[tough night]

yea I think the play is not craftt

[balmy condor]

I have a macro on my streamdeck that just says "it's in the guide"

[clever sapphire]

which guide

[real pike]

I think cause my OH is a 463 dreamcarver I'm keen to upgrade

[tough night]

also you have some extra time to get the dream warden rep to 20

you get a free enchanted aspect crest

[balmy condor]

given how basic 90% of the questions are in here, literally any guide

[clever sapphire]

ye ik that feeling, i would have crafted a ring today if i didnt have it in vault

[primal terrace]

Welp after simming I'm supposed to get the arch druid ring 😄

[plucky canopy]

Did someone already tried to cook something new with the changes?

[clever sapphire]

true, i have your "why stealth doesnt matter" video saved on my own discord, so if that question comes up i can just reply with that

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

even noxxic could answer most questions in here I feel like

[plucky canopy]

Some of my guildies tell me rogues tend to go afk if they don't get restealth in there pugs, shit so funny 😂😂

[real pike]

gz!

[balmy condor]

and those mfers don't get fucking anything right

[night delta]

I'm not sure the KB nerf really shifts the talent meta

[urban iron]

is crafted dagger crit mastery 486 close to nick of time 483? (since i didnt get a single one after 40 runs)

[real pike]

that sounds like a good watch, spitefuls were making me want to hurt things last week

[clever sapphire]

relatable

[primal terrace]

farm more my boy, fuck crafted daggers

[balmy condor]

got a command for it actually

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[real pike]

Huge

[plucky canopy]

But my tanks know for a fact that is irrelevant, I always push them to go faster so they now do not care about a rogues restealth

[clever sapphire]

eh i just stopped giving a flying fhuck after farming brh for the whole day, made me realise that idc

[real pike]

haha 😄

[balmy condor]

I got a death threat over that video I have you know

[plucky canopy]

I think only on everbloom I tell em to wait on first boss so we get good iron wire off to group shit faster

[night delta]

if by now you still haven't a high ilvl MH I'd recommend crafting one maybe anyway

[clever sapphire]

or sometimes i just stood back a bit, killed the spitefuls and got a restealth

[real pike]

how dare you help people

[night delta]

I caved last week and did myself a crafted dagger cuz no dagger drops anywhere

[balmy condor]

dude was very mad that someone would say something he disagreed with

[real pike]

dudes be doing that

[balmy condor]

and decided that he wanted to find where I lived

and kill me

so that the rogue community could do better

[plucky canopy]

Criiiinnnngeeee

[clever sapphire]

must be a roleplayer

[urban iron]

did he sap you first?

[real pike]

https://tenor.com/view/these-people-need-jesus-jesus-saving-saved-lord-gif-8821430

[plucky canopy]

That dude needs help real bad

[clever sapphire]

who takes shit a bit too personal

[night delta]

world pvp grindset

[balmy condor]

no, I told him I'd be at blizzcon if he wanted to get a picture

he never did

[plucky canopy]

Sadge

[real pike]

he probably uses the Wowhead guide without realising

[plucky canopy]

I would take that invite insta if I just had the opportunity to get to blizzcon 🥲

[balmy condor]

the funniest thing to me is when people are like "I only use icyveins, wowhead sucks" and I'm like, okay sure yeah

I didn't write that one

but where do you think seli got the info

[static glacier]

why are u still here smh

[plucky canopy]

😂😂😂

[real pike]

I think this is a remnant of older times

When EJ/IV were the tits and Wowhead was a bit of a meme

[static glacier]

or are we talking to a ghost?

[clever sapphire]

i only use the discord faq, and there are only links to wowhead and icyveins there

so i just feelcraft

[real pike]

I had to get out of the 'Wowhead sucks' mentality when I returned to the game in DF

[static glacier]

imagine threatening to kill someone over a game wtf

[balmy condor]

being trapped in #assassination is my purgatory

[clever sapphire]

cause those 2 sites are not reliable

[balmy condor]

real and true

I should add the method guide to that

maybe tomorrow

[clever sapphire]

would trust that 100%

method is a rwf guild

they would never lie

[balmy condor]

I heard the method writer is kinda cute dunno

[real pike]

Method guide has a slightly different open but I prefer rup before snd

[royal lantern]

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

and he would really love a space heater maybe

cause it's heckin cold

[blazing jewel]

Cat on head for warmth buddy

[solid wagon]

Method hasn't been first in a while, while Whispyr is always first in my heart

o/

[balmy condor]

I help the rogues from liquid

and method

and they're #2 and #3

coincidence?

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-will-ferell-if-youre-not-first-you-are-last-gif-3983540

[clever sapphire]

whispyr trolling the 2 guilds on purpose so echo can win

[wild beacon]

so you're saying we need to find who helps echo

[solid wagon]

Have we uncovered the conspiracy?

[clever sapphire]

he may be living in NA, but his heart is in EU

[blazing jewel]

Clearly an eu sleeper agent

[balmy condor]

yeah the secret bait-and switch twice over

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/tinfoil-hat-gif-19189292

[balmy condor]

they help themselves

very adverse to theorycrafting those guys are

we don't play at their level so how could we know anything

is the general vibe

[static glacier]

wait a sec, don't they have internal analysts

👀

are they paying you two granola bars per day of work?

[balmy condor]

I rarely get paid for anything rwf related

during sepulcher I got some nice sweatpants and a hoodie from liquid though that was nice of them

[blazing jewel]

They’re paying him in gamer gummies

[royal lantern]

you pay with your sanity

the endless YOU SAY PLAY X BUT HE PLAYS Y IN THE RWF?????? questions

[balmy condor]

yeah but then my sanity gets restored a little when I screenshot group chat with jpc/exile and they go "yeah we try to do exactly what you said"

[royal lantern]

photoshop

[clever sapphire]

if the rwf people cant follow your guides, how am i supposed to do it

[blazing jewel]

Why does line 3 of the apl say insert credit card information

[balmy condor]

hammering the "jpc said he's not playing branch" people with a screenshot of a jpc dm saying the opposite was like a mini orgasm every time lowkey

that was some satisfying shit

[royal lantern]

didnt saw that one

[balmy condor]

was a splendid time

[royal lantern]

love it

[static glacier]

im still trying to get ashes

so i can get out of branch prison for some fights

[royal lantern]

i have normal ashes for smoldy rn

cbs with branch on him

[balmy condor]

it's actually crazy though, I don't have to watch streams, cause people will dm me when someone says anything

jpc said "I'm not using branch"

and I got 7 dm's in like 5 minutes

asking the same question

WHY HOW

BUG?

PLZ?

NEED?

TECH?

[royal lantern]

you forgot

[balmy condor]

ABUSE?

[royal lantern]

SIMBAIT?

[clever sapphire]

how do i convince my guild that i need heroic ashes if it drops, even though i have branch. (i dont actually need it, but on mythic prog with tanks running all around the place i want ashes)

[placid cobalt]

guys has anyone else hit DR on crit and mastery? my sims show haste/versa rings/necks highly on top at the moment but i mostly play keys so idk how good haste actually is...

[real pike]

here's another annoying question 🙂 how comes some of the bis gear seems to have poor stats for us? is it due to soft caps etc on the prio stats

[balmy condor]

all stats good all the time yep

[royal lantern]

you tell them that branch kinda sucks for smoldy and tswift lol

[balmy condor]

all stats good all the time yep

[royal lantern]

assa has no poor stats

+people overvalue secondsrys all the time for everything

[real pike]

ilvl(agi) > stat weighting right

[clever sapphire]

if assa has no poor stats, and all stats are good, that means all stats are equal so you could say all stats are equally shit

and it would be correct

[real pike]

0.999=1

[clever sapphire]

well we are still on council but gonna bring up that point in case it drops tomorrow

[glacial crypt]

LINK

please (:

[real pike]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[clever sapphire]

https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog?si=2PJ1yqvgHTmxsExk

[teal geyser]

not sure what to pick, i guess i have to ask the sim kekw!

[glacial crypt]

thank you 😄

[balmy condor]

yeah SUPER difficult decision on that one

[clever sapphire]

my guess is dagger

[balmy condor]

gz

[clever sapphire]

for tmog

[static glacier]

ayo those are bis legs tho

[vale lantern]

if you arent getting PI in raid is it better to even out all stats crit haste mastery vers? im seeing some logs of assassin rogues without PI and they have about equal amount of vers to other 3

[pliant remnant]

True, the dagger ain't BIS anyway

Vendor material really

[balmy condor]

you can sim without pi

[primal terrace]

That belt looking juicy

[balmy condor]

and use that

[primal terrace]

xD

[sweet fog]

guys have some emotional feeling dont put that dagger vault pics 😦

[clever sapphire]

i have every piece of pants you can get from dungeons upgraded to 483, so in case soemthing changes and i need different stats im ready

also have tset legs on 483

[vale lantern]

its showing more but by very small numbers and its so rough to parse since my unholy dk in our raid gets upset if he doesnt get PI

[clever sapphire]

your unholy dk should be happy that he gets a raidspot

my case is closed officer

[real pike]

you guys arguing with UH DKs about getting PI while I have to watch the DK and the DH get it

[clever sapphire]

it took my guild 2 weeks to realise that im a better pi target than a ret pala or one of our 4 warlocks

[static glacier]

isn't really an argument, they get it on pure st, aoe you get it

[clever sapphire]

why would they get it on pure st

[vale lantern]

i also feel like i could be doing more without it but i just can figure it out

[static glacier]

bc they get more damage out of it than we do?

issue is they need a healer pi

[clever sapphire]

really now?

[static glacier]

yes

lmao

[balmy condor]

[clever sapphire]

i was pretty sure last time i checked assa was a better pi target

[balmy condor]

why are we a month into the patch and we still don't know pi targets

DH pi

is vile

[real pike]

Our DH is one of our priests brother I believe

welcome to shitty semi-casual guilds haha

[wide whale]

ok so i tried the cleave build

[clever sapphire]

oh ye now after nerfs dk is better pi target

true

[wide whale]

did so much more for me

big hype

[real pike]

this is getting hard saved

[solid wagon]

Unless you're a rwf guilde, PI rules are determined by "who's the priest best buddy in the raid"

[clever sapphire]

true

so true