assassination

[slate crown]

during vanish nothing changes on the normal build -> spend rules, just make sure one of those builders is garrote

[unique sorrel]

Lariat with full gems is pretty spicy

[slim pebble]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[wide rapids]

bro at least 200 apm ngl haha

[full coral]

So if you've got max CPs- you just send a Rupture, then Ambush, Garrote- and hit'em with the Envenom- i learnt that the most important thing to get in your re-stealth windows was just to get a emp garrote off.

[slim pebble]

What’s the command for the pooling graphic

[forest notch]

oh ok So is empowered rupture just ass then? Just not worry about empowering it and essentially focus on garrote/envenom

[slim pebble]

I like looking at pictures more than I do reading

[forest nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-memes-cat-images-cat-meme-gif-4644773688486402896

[slate crown]

!guide Whispyr has a mention on it in the rotation section under Nightstalker, after the openers

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[forest notch]

kk

ill go read ty

[slate crown]

But ultimately, it's fine to rupture if you want. Envenom is always good. Rupture may lead to wasted energy if you clip a non-pandemic rupture

They're close enough

Personally I just rupture if it's in pandemic

otherwise envenom

i.e., treat it like normal

[forest nacelle]

is artierial shock the go to M+ build now? rip my dragon-tempered blades 😦

[slate crown]

If it gains the NS bonus, great. If not, oh well nbd

[thorn fjord]

!branch

lol

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/tumtum-mikvr-froge-stick-beating-gif-18299903

[forest notch]

I was curous about this. Sorry if the answer is obvious here but I just want to triple check. In M+ with like 4+ targets and or 7+ target rotations. Should I try to get garrote/rupture on all mobs before even starting DM/KB? Will the bleeds overall net me more dmg than getting my CDs out?

[full coral]

Both works i like playing with AP- but DTB might pull better due to the nerfs to Blindside.

[thorn fjord]

Gonna try running sin in keys this week

[forest notch]

also what about when I lose the stealth window? Do I still try to get garrotes/ruptes?

[bleak plume]

anyone figured out yet what's the deal with sudden demise literally not proccing at all sometimes?

[forest notch]

soundsgood

[dark token]

Just follow wowhead

It's accurate

[bleak plume]

can it be that any bleeds applied after the mob hits 35% do not trigger sudden demise at all?

[forest notch]

I dont fully understand wowhead thats why im asking

ha

It also doesnt mention if I lose my stealth buff

like do I try to single apply rupture/garrote still

[oak tangle]

i mean you have two target counts slected, i don't know how much it changes, but it will change the garrotes and ruptures at the start

[forest notch]

or go into CDs

[dark token]

U lose ur stealth buff after 3 globals

What does wowhead say

[forest notch]

both suggest garrote/rupture all targets if im understanding it. 7+ just adds more instances of it

[dark token]

It's 1 more instance

Not multiple more

[forest notch]

this like 3 globals already

[oak tangle]

yes

[dark token]

You have IC to spread ruptures to more targets after this falls

[forest notch]

also the stealth is 10seconds (Like the ability to apply to multiple)

[oak tangle]

no

[forest notch]

ya but once IC falls off

[dark token]

That's why u don't garrote after those 3 globals

Until dance

No more shrouded

Then you don't rupture once IC is gone

No more IC

[forest notch]

10 seconds

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/brezziana-just-dance-brezziana-brezziana-just-dance-just-dance-physical-just-dance-2023-edition-gif-132697482727455061

[dark token]

Like

What don't you get

[oak tangle]

select only the 7+ target count on wowhead, it will show you what to do in any situation of 7 or more targets

[dark token]

Spreading bleeds before deathmark is good for few things:

1. scent of blood buff for 20% agi from rupture spread
2. energy
3. garrote shrouded suffocation dam and iron wire

So you do this first

[oak tangle]

if it lists only 3 garrotes, then you garrote 3 times

[dark token]

Then do cooldowns

You garrote 1-3x depending on target count

[forest notch]

for 7, can I fit all this in IC window?

If the window falls off before because I need to use defensive or something

[dark token]

Yes IC lasts 13s

[forest notch]

do I swap to KB

[sick aspen]

where's whispyr at? he handing out vault blessings this week

[forest notch]

or keep trying to single target rpture

[dark token]

If your IC falls

Rupture to 5 targwts

Then DM

You want minimum 5

Because of scent of blood

[forest notch]

Ya this is the part I was confused about sorry.

should have been more clear

[dark token]

The 6+ target one is because u still have IC buff so it's worth

[forest notch]

ya

[dark token]

It's not worth it you don't have, beyond 5t

[eternal heath]

oh baby that is some garbage

[forest notch]

The happy path I get it more so when I dont have the happy path.

[eternal heath]

I lied, both rings have sockets, so that isnt as bad

[oak tangle]

bless my vault someone

[dark token]

Sub mirror

[forest notch]

Also if im going to only get like half a KB on a target, I assume its still worth sending?

[distant peak]

wait vault is open? I thought not until 11

[eternal heath]

Apparently its at reset now

[dark token]

U will be blessed with 483 timestrike dagger

[dark token]

Wdym half

Like they are low HP?

[sick aspen]

Oxi! vault blessing pls

[slate crown]

what about me

do I get anything cool

[dark token]

you get 4 cloaks sorry

[eternal heath]

bracers have a socket too but I already have crafted bracers

[forest notch]

ya, even in like 20s by the time I get all the garrotes and ruptures out things are like half dead

I usually still send DM/KB

[dark token]

It depends

[forest notch]

and get like half its vlaue

[dark token]

1. is there another big pull or boss right after
2. do you have DM coming up in <30s

[oak tangle]

the blessings did not work

[dark token]

3. are your teammates cooldowning this pack

[forest notch]

oof no trinketss

ring good though

[dark token]

If they are cooldowning this pack and no high hp targwts

[forest notch]

or myth tier

[ornate jetty]

justice for the 67 runs

[thorn fjord]

Rip

[dark token]

I usually hold and CD next pack

As long as it's a decent pull

[icy acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-cat-mad-cat-mad-death-stare-gif-2007099240114134459

[forest notch]

Usually this happens on like the first pull big lust packs

maybe I save my CDs for next pull

[dark token]

Yes well your tank should always have a big HP target in there

[forest notch]

or just send and get as much value as possiblke

[opaque moth]

Crazy took me 42 runs in my shaman for crab I still need to farm Nick on my rogue ;_;

[dark token]

If not, bad routing

What dungeon do u not have a big HP target in first pull

[forest notch]

ya even that target is usually like dead thougho n 20s

[slim pebble]

!branch

[forest notch]

once I get to like 22+ though

[lavish isle]

whats % drop rate for nick ? or its same like other items?

[forest notch]

shouldnt be an issue

[dark token]

It's fine

[fallen forge]

no nick of time in vault REEEEE

[dark token]

Send dm

[oak tangle]

do we get another catalyst charge this week?

[thorn fjord]

bro of course the hourglass was in the +19 slot

fml

[dark token]

If there is a target more than 10m hp

I send cds

If not I hold

Usually

[forest notch]

kk

[slim pebble]

Isn’t it still myth track?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

But more spendage

[oak tangle]

15 aspects tho, madge

[dark token]

This is why you 8x20 tsk tsk

[dark token]

Aren't you EU anyway

[thorn fjord]

Was off by like 3

[slate crown]

no

I'm NA

[dark token]

Oh yah I only saw you on ptr

[wide rapids]

guys on raid do i go for sophic or wafting?

wowhead says wafting method say sophic 😄

[dark token]

You

Sim yoself

[thorn fjord]

My vault sucked lmao

[eternal heath]

I need to remember how to have multiple vault options to check possibilities

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vvcsuxd3gxySWAaPbchiaA

[dark token]

I'm socket tomorrow 100%

[thorn fjord]

Believe and achieve

[slim pebble]

Jesus Christ. I sim so much lower

[dark token]

If you expect socket

[slate crown]

Hrm raging week now feeling incentive to aoe shiv for dispel sadge

[dark token]

You can only be pleasantly surprised

[eternal heath]

Actually I guess it doesn't matter. My belt has a socket, so I won't replace that with a crafted anyway

[icy acorn]

cant be dissapointed if youre expecting a socket

https://tenor.com/view/its-something-something-here-you-go-it's-something-its-something-funny-gif-1669161523447633417

[dark token]

Socket is still good btw

1k dps

[slim pebble]

What are affixes this week

[dark token]

As long as you have a irreplaceable piece to put it on

[slim pebble]

Am I gonna hate myself

[icy acorn]

but imagine a nick of time myth track

[forest notch]

Im quite suprised that sims value chest over ring when I have 2 champion rings that are both haste heavy.

[icy acorn]

rings have no main stat

[eternal heath]

Dw I don't get close to that :^)

[forest notch]

ahh true

[oak tangle]

all the same ilvl slots?

i always sim my great vault gear upgraded to the max in it's tier also

[wide ferry]

does the vault give you gear you already have? I got all my tier pieces wondering if it ups my chances of nick

[forest notch]

existing rings are 463, new ring would be 489. Current chest is 473, oh I didnt compare it against an upgraded chest actually

let me do that

[north bobcat]

is the cataclysmic signet still recomended in M+ overall? With it dropping combat and whatnot

[north bobcat]

it's random, unrelated to current gear or slot's ilvl

[slate crown]

Been pooling up Aspect crests

Should I spend my aspect crests on crafted crests first?

[north bobcat]

well, based on bosses and dungeons rather than random but from that pool

[slate crown]

(If I can't push my weapons and trinkets higher, which I can't atm)

[oak tangle]

unsure of what level of gear your going for, i personally iteratively upgrade my lowest item. or max out a BiS item or rather a vault mythic piece

[arctic socket]

[forest notch]

I was planning on crafting a ring this week but I could keep trying to farm Archdruid and run it with this athena and then craft engi bracers

[grim tree]

This week we should craft rings?

[red zealot]

Choice between Augury and Ashes trinket OS OTL sims are saying Ashes

[oak tangle]

get your flavor packet, engi bracers, or that missing dagger

[north bobcat]

I have a pick between signet and upgrading my head tier from champion to hero, and I play mostly m+. Is the signet worth it?

[forest notch]

ya I was doing ring or engi

basically flavor or brez

[north bobcat]

I'm not sure how dungeonslice sim handles signet to make a call

[red zealot]

Which do yall think?

[slate crown]

Rings are good.

Rings get free socket

Which makes up a bit for the ilvl loss over a 4/4 myth piece

[arctic socket]

Question for the sim expects here, any reason why the world boss necklace is simming over my 476?

[grim tree]

If play assa and outlaw whats stats?

[slate crown]

Obviously you'd eventually be able to get a 4/4 myth piece + socket but may take some time

[spice spire]

It’s in the pins, third to be exact

[distant fog]

socket week

[arctic socket]

[sick aspen]

hate vault day, like a million 20-23 Falls and no dagger. I hope everyone else has better luck!

[fallow acorn]

garbo

[ocean ginkgo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[arctic socket]

I only did falls this week

Wish that would make my loot just be from falls

[fallow acorn]

is this a catalyst week, i forget

[arctic socket]

Isn’t every week after the first week a catalyst week

[red zealot]

Augury not worth?

[arctic socket]

And ever other week a spark

[rigid minnow]

every 2 weeks and no not this one

[crisp grotto]

why god

[ripe sage]

Is porcelain crab not worth it?

[fallow acorn]

thx

[spice spire]

Iirc it’s fine

But it’s a simmer

[ripe sage]

sims lower

at 489

[spice spire]

Then we got an answer

[arctic socket]

Gratz on the trinket

[fallow acorn]

🦀

[ripe sage]

hourglass and branch better ig

[crisp grotto]

ive already got hourglass and embersoul, ive got 2 crafted rings still

idk if i should take

[hearty reef]

🦀 Crab Bis 🦀
🦀 40% uptime🦀

[forest notch]

I have low mastery but the sims seem to keep valuing other stats over mastery. Curious why

[celest helm]

Any good for assass? sounds like a 100k shield could be nice for prog/keys but bad stats

[crisp grotto]

and ive got branch for anything I don't feel like using embersoul on so cata band lowkey feels bait af

[hearty reef]

🦀 avoidance 🦀

[burnt venture]

Crab p good for Sin

[thorn fjord]

Big Sadge

Crab is nice

[spice spire]

🦀 Crab Bis 🦀
🦀 40% uptime🦀

[tiny leaf]

did 35 this week and 1 dropped 🙂

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bv2AcrB3iGdCvJ8t8H9v82

[burnt venture]

I have crab and branch and they crank

[balmy fog]

What should I choose

Myth ring or myth gloves

[burnt venture]

You have branch already??

[thorn fjord]

I need all the crests 😦

[balmy fog]

I have hero branch

Not myth

But my gloves are hero too

My rings are champion

[ripe sage]

you can farm rigns

you cannot farm a myth branch

[fallow acorn]

champion branch because i'm a commoner

[tiny leaf]

exactly ❤️

[balmy fog]

Should I choose the myth trinket over the myth gloves

For my 4 set my gloves are hero

[fickle viper]

myth branch much rarer

[timber meadow]

we did it bois

[tiny leaf]

branch or pipe 🙂

naisss

gz

🙂

[timber meadow]

xD

[rustic hornet]

4pc or ashes of the embersoul

[thorn fjord]

Any idea when nerfs will be reflecting in Raidbots?

[tiny leaf]

ashes 🙂

[balmy fog]

Is the icy veins website for best assasination gear accurate

[dreamy elk]

Raidbots doesn't have our nerfs included in simming yet, right?

[thorn fjord]

Dont think so

[ripe sage]

do your weekly heroic first

[thorn fjord]

I’d assume we’ll see then by the afternoon

[ripe sage]

maybe you get an embersoul there

[slate crown]

Tyranical Raging, what are you all thinking for the week?

[ripe sage]

no spiteful

[slate crown]

"That one" build?, or standard shock BS?

[fleet atlas]

Hmm... myth track sandglass or hero track pips from vault?

[fallow acorn]

shivshivshivshivshiv

[slate crown]

Sandglass imo

[dark token]

Blindside nerf kinda nerfs that one build

[red zealot]

Embersoul or augur primal? Os Is otl

[dark token]

Maybe can take ttb instead

[slate crown]

DTB or SD?

[timber meadow]

its.... so pretty

[empty pilot]

wow devastating being that I already have branch

[dense aurora]

I landed a myth NoT in vault today too

[ripe sage]

you already had a myth branch?

Sadge

[empty pilot]

yeah the vault one has leech though. seriously have to take it i think

[north bobcat]

myth + leech double upgrade

[fleet atlas]

It would be cool if we could use tokens to add tertiarys

[wide whale]

ok wish lucks

[arctic socket]

Good luck on Nicholas

[ripe sage]

oh buddy

[fallow acorn]

+speed on every item

[ripe sage]

you grab that branch

[wide whale]

so so bad

😦

[ripe sage]

now

[arctic socket]

Ashes is decent

[slim pebble]

If you don’t take that branch I’m deleting your rogue

[smoky leaf]

i feel verry sorry for you

ive taken a socket 3 weeks lol

[hard gazelle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[balmy fog]

What’s ur skill rotation in pve aoe fight

[fleet atlas]

Looks like u need to swap outlaw and take ring. Unlucky

[ripe sage]

i mean

[warped pilot]

thoughts on 3rd spark? Ring?

[ripe sage]

my sim wants me to take vers

now

so that ring is pretty good imo

Its all stat values

dont just throw away something since it has vers

[desert vault]

Ashes trinket sims pretty bad for me

[wide whale]

i dont even know what i take

[desert vault]

like -4k vs branch+sandglass

[fleet atlas]

My profile desperately needs mastery. All my jewelry is crit haste

[dense aurora]

ez choices

[wide whale]

i guess waycrest ring, because i need a ring and might want to try outlaw in the future

im jelly, grats

[desert vault]

I wish I could get a weapon of any kinda, still rocking all Champion weapons can't find a heroic track one to save my life

[north bobcat]

craft one

[wide whale]

i have 1 champ and 1 hero nick of time, i suppose it was selfish to pray for a mythic track as well

[desert vault]

true, probably will this week

either weapon or ring, my rings are crap too

[indigo epoch]

Hoooray

[fleet atlas]

I have 1 hero 1 champ nick as well and I should probably spam more falls for another hero but I tell myself it's a waste of time when surely the myth will be in my next vault

[wide whale]

im on vacation for the next 3 weeks, so this was my last vault for a while

such a let down

opened my mistweaver's vault first - he got mythic BIS weapon. i knew i should've opened rogue first, woulda been a Nick!

[burnt venture]

This week huge Sin week lads. Raging week

AoE soothe poggers

[arctic socket]

Yeah but our kb nerf!

Specs dead

[frank ermine]

actually

[ripe sage]

reroll

[burnt venture]

We still blasting

[ripe sage]

windwalker are on the rise

[burnt venture]

Oh wait, we dooming?

[frank ermine]

back to sub

[ripe sage]

dont listen

[errant swallow]

Thoughts? I'm thinking trinket and upgrade it to 489 (currently using pip and branch)

[indigo epoch]

What level pip?

Best answer is always sim it I guess.

[errant swallow]

Yeah, simming is running.

Pip heroic

[wide whale]

omg no more fucking spiteful

[wide whale]

yessss

[errant swallow]

agreed

[indigo epoch]

Praise Jebus.

So tired of those fuckers

[timid talon]

How much was the nerf exactly in raid? looks like sub 4%?

[wide whale]

ok, ring and shoulders are both a 30 ilvl upgrade, and are relatively similar in terms of DPS gain. i have 4 piece with legs instead of shoulders. unsure of which tbh

[slim pebble]

If you can replace legs with good stats the catalyzed shoulder would prolly be better

[jade coral]

another catalyst today? 😮

[wide whale]

i got myth track legs last vault, i figured they won't be replaced for a while

i could.. just make hero track shoulders

do we have another cata today?

[slim pebble]

Next week I think

[jade coral]

damn 🥲

[warm parcel]

Its spark reset

[wide whale]

i did pick up these, so i could theoretically replace the legs with shoulders

[slim pebble]

Legs are our offset piece for assassination

[lyric solar]

got my'das trinket in the vault, would I use that at any particular time? Just on cd? Wait for kb? anything like that?

[crystal pivot]

whats the build we run this week for Tyran? sorry if posted somewhere

[orchid wind]

does monk/dh buff work on our dots and etc ?

[wide whale]

yeah - i just did what i could with what the vault has been giving me haha

[slim pebble]

No no I know- I feel it. Just good to think about the long term

[azure osprey]

anyone can recommend a good plater with spatter

[thorn fjord]

Bleh Boss showed up... was hoping to run keys at work today

[wide whale]

ask him to tank

[slim pebble]

Ask him to heal because he’s already good at ruining your life

[thorn fjord]

LOL

I bet he'd be a FOTM andy

but would never get out of LFR

[crystal pivot]

is it the hybrid AOE ST build?

[slim pebble]

Just run arterial precision if you’re not doing 25+ keys

[heady badge]

should i take the myth dagger even though i have 2 hero track nick of times

[slim pebble]

Sim it

[slim pebble]

Seems like you got your answer!

[crystal pivot]

this look right?

[grim jay]

kinda weird answer

since on 25+ there is no real reason to swap off of it either

[slim pebble]

How is it weird? If you’re not running rank 1 keys it literally doesn’t matter what talents you run

[shut owl]

Truth

[grim jay]

it doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things anyways

[shut owl]

Damage doesn't brick your keys

[grim jay]

since they all perform similar

[shut owl]

Surviving does

[slim pebble]

I just wanna look at tiny pixels and be happy tbh

[crystal pivot]

Okay, just wasnt sure if there was a better choice or anything for more boss dam without losing a ton of AOE. Thank you all

[grim jay]

arterial with bs and vr should have the best st

[shut owl]

I started dropping deeper strat for acro lately, real handy for uncoordinated stuff to just have extra tea sitting around rather than the CP cap

[drowsy plaza]

is mythic track nightmare egg sim bait?

[grim jay]

there are no simbaits

[hearty reef]

The whole outlaw specialization be like:

[grim jay]

we in sin

outlaw sucky sucky

anyways

[hearty reef]

[slim pebble]

Outlaw is the DH of rogue specs

[wide whale]

what's ya'lls haste sitting at?

[hearty reef]

[burnt venture]

29%

No wafting, no haste enchants

[shut owl]

Mine was a juicy 7.3k last night XD finally got some items swapped around tho

[grim jay]

2k

[wide whale]

this feels bad

[crystal pivot]

thats what my shit looks like... what is ideal haste?

[dawn ocean]

Which assa spec it better to start? Im testing some bit Im always lacking energy

[grim jay]

believe me, it cant feel a certain way. you wont feel any different having more haste

[grim jay]

whatever sims highest

[past forum]

ideal haste is when robot says "yep, this is ideal"

[wide whale]

all hail the robot

[shut owl]

They all have energy management as a feature. Check out the videos/guides on pooling and energy efficiency

[dawn ocean]

Thanks

[past forum]

i think the energy management for assa feels pretty intuitive to me and the payoff for doing it right is very easily discernable

but that could just be personal preference

[dawn ocean]

Sometimes is just a pain to wait energy to come back

[shut owl]

It definitely takes a minute to get used to. I think I only really got the hang of it this weekend

[dawn ocean]

Looks very hard to play

[shut owl]

That's the best part. Take a sip of your drink and chilll

Or scratch that spot

[past forum]

we are blessed to have whispyr because his guides are fucking MINT

[shut owl]

Or pet your loaf of a cat

[past forum]

the ideal rotation is to go check out cats and dogs of assassination while you're pooling energy for envenom

[shut owl]

It doesn't matter when your downtime is outside of cds, so you can kinda put it wherever you want

[slim pebble]

I just realized that I haven’t gotten a weapon the vault since I passed on a 421 fenryrs fang in season 1

[burnt venture]

Wait where is that?

[forest notch]

Do the Sims already have the nerfs accounted for? Or will that come this week?

[past forum]

it's a thread in this channel

[burnt venture]

God bless you sir

[past forum]

o7

[wet spire]

nerfs are in on raidbots

[rustic hornet]

Is witherbark that much better over ashes?

[mighty rapids]

i like ashes better but i hate the orbs

[wet spire]

that isnt even the tooltip for caustic splatter?

thats like a mix of caustic and your tier

i feel like you are trolling lol

[finite echo]

Is envenom poison damage

[thorn fjord]

There’s plenty of nuance to it tho

[spice spire]

Depends on what’s asking

[thorn fjord]

You can kind of anticipate the lul

[spice spire]

Oh wait that’s been fixed iirc

[shut owl]

Yeah, something finally clicked and it felt like I wasn't fighting with my flow anymore

[thorn fjord]

I still send Env like a mad man

But I’m not dropping the dot anymore

[shut owl]

Might have also been having 7k haste without wafting proc tho

[finite echo]

i don't think so

[spice spire]

Nah we have consistency finally this tier

[shut owl]

Had a funny throne run with God comp-ish (havoc/sin/Aug) I dunked super hard the whole way through until the ink hallway. Havoc boy kept spawning more adds until he hit 110Mil of nonsense damage on extra adds

[spice spire]

Envenom works with mastery and Zoldyck’s fr

[gaunt isle]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[shut owl]

40% of this mans damage done was just that hallway on the debuff adds

[slim pebble]

A DH would never do that

[forest notch]

ty

[thorn fjord]

NEVER

[true flume]

What build are people running in high end keys? i have seen soo many different things. even non crimson builds. Anyone upthere running high keys have any thoughts.

[shut owl]

What's a high key to ya?

[true flume]

26+

[past forum]

turn the tides and hold deathmark for ozumat with damage amp

[drowsy plaza]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[finite echo]

If you are running 26s you probably never need to ask that question

[shut owl]

Our healer and tank died so I didn't feel safe holding for that phase lol

[finite echo]

If you aren't running 26s that question shouldn't inform any decision you make

[shut owl]

Just sent evasion and prayed for the ink to die

[iron lynx]

but he asked so like, if you want to answer you can, this response doesnt help anything

[true flume]

this has to be the dumbest answer to any question on the internet. if you dont have an answer to my question than dont answer it instead of this highhorse BS you are trying to say.

[iron lynx]

this ^

[shut owl]

It's based mostly on what your comp is gonna do. It's hard to answer cuz my team is gonna do it way A, your team might go way B

But they are honestly close enough to not matter

[errant swallow]

raidbot seems to be updated btw

[warm shard]

if your rupture and garrote are about to drop you should you delay death mark and reapply them first before deathmarking?

[shut owl]

But if your squad is double havoc or some shit, you probably can send it on the no fan/ct build

[vale lantern]

206k sim down to 201k 😦

[nimble estuary]

is my 463 NoT really better than 483 Cruel in OH slot or is my Sim fucked lol

[proven jasper]

it is most likely better yes

[nimble estuary]

wild

[shut owl]

Offhand damage doesn't mean a lot compared to a proc

I was bumming with a 450 rare mob drop for a while lol

[jaunty dew]

Can anyone point me to the pandemic configuration on Whispyr's plater profile? Been through all the modding/scripting options but can't seem to find it.

[shut owl]

Fire damage proc was netting me .8% lol

[spice spire]

@storm belfry This you king?

[nimble estuary]

yeah, just seems crazy how the proc is so valueable

[wet agate]

Cloak ilvl upgrade on the myth track or CSB on the champ track?

[past forum]

i've decided that if i get a nick from this vault i'm just gonna give up farming fall and just use the m0 one i have in my off hand, my sanity isnt worth it

[proven jasper]

ive decided im never seeing nick

[shut owl]

I got Nick and hourglass last night, finally freeing me from s2 gear hell

[nimble estuary]

i got 489 NoT today, still need to farm hero one sadge

[shut owl]

And then got back to back socketed rings, so I'm set until I get vault rng

[errant swallow]

I still haven't seen it 😦

[shut owl]

Excited to take a socket today prolly lol

Week 1 being a socket was big sad for me

[carmine tartan]

Dawn weapons must have insane low drop rates, have all pieces 3 trinkets 2 boots 2 chest never even saw the glaive

[inner current]

Does anyone have a cute Envenom Weak Aura for me? I just want to track the timer tbh

[shut owl]

A cute one?

[slate crown]

!wa my profile has a progress bar if you like progress bars. Whispyr's group has an icon

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[nimble estuary]

50 runs deep into gala only seen 1 glaive 0 NoT

[slate crown]

(The one in my profile is standalone, don't need to take the pack)

[shut owl]

Could probably use lisonnas and add a cat photo to it

[thorn fjord]

Ok so this is with nerfs... Before the nerfs were updated to raidbots i was at 222k

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nCMxQKhoRVmjWcsqjhdPCR

[shut owl]

Yeah that adds up

[tardy blade]

It's in the scripting section, I'm not at home but if you post a screenshot I can point it out

[slate crown]

Seems about right

[shut owl]

4% of 200k is 8k

Calc math beating me down

[thorn fjord]

Not awful

We're still vibing

[shut owl]

The more exciting thing is "pi still good"

[spice spire]

[past bobcat]

Rip. I’m still simming 222k as sub

[inner current]

probably a stupid question but where can i find it?

[slate crown]

!wa -> "LE's Profile" scroll till you find envenom

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[thorn fjord]

My sub profile prob much higher now too

[shut owl]

I gotta relearn sub still... Are we still able to macro the hell outta it?

[thorn fjord]

It plays pretty much the same as last tier

Only symbol is in a diff spot

[shut owl]

Sweet

[thorn fjord]

And Dust refreshes

[jaunty dew]

I dmd you mate.

[paper heron]

heyas - is the archdruids seal not a good ring for assa? Asking for rat alt so simming doesn't do anything. I see on mplus sub creation lots of top keyers using, but it's not recommended in any bis list? I have it myth in vault with avoidance so

[shut owl]

I tried learning it on smolderon prog and my UI just kept screaming at me XD

[paper heron]

oops didn't mean to reply :/ sry

[shut owl]

No idea

I don't know that ring off top of my head

If it's Uber vers statted it's probably a survival kinda thing

In which case, having one with avoidance seems real good?

[storm belfry]

yeah tahts me!

[spice spire]

Ur so big

[storm belfry]

😊

thye nerfed my damage tho man

[spice spire]

Same here king

Is what I’d say

If I played

[weak vessel]

Any new adjustments on our talent tree after nerf?

[spice spire]

No

[potent ferry]

3 weeks of running DHT, no ring. Means crafting a ring today
First DHT
gets ring
sadge

[storm belfry]

it was warranted tho

i mean some bosses last week i was doin like 200k on

but i can def feel the nerf

[jade coral]

raidbots include nerfs now?

[arctic socket]

How come it’s December and the discord icon hasn’t been updated

[serene basin]

Yes

[next ledge]

What are you crafting as a third item?

[shadow breach]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[arctic socket]

Bring back the two Christmas tree or riot!

[jade wedge]

Ring or neck

[arctic socket]

Ring is a nice craft because you can add a flavor pocket to it

[royal tree]

so how bad of a loss is today for us? i read that sits about an overall 5 percen dps loss

[proven jasper]

4.4 i think was the exact number

its fine

we still chillin big time

[jaunty dew]

@balmy condor Is there an advantage to farming a 2nd NoT? What does the extra timestrike stat give?

[atomic swallow]

Should I bind the Branch trinket with Deathmark?

[dark token]

extra damage

[atomic swallow]

Or time that into KB?

[proven jasper]

Bind it to dm

[atomic swallow]

Thank you

[proven jasper]

And kite orbs so it covers all of dm and kb

[jaunty dew]

The increased damage of the echoed ability?

[atomic swallow]

Ohhh

[next ledge]

ty boys

[slate crown]

Don't need to ping whispyr for such questions, we are all here . Timestrike is extra damage. If you have a Myth track 4/4 weapon in the main hand it will be better than NoT heroic. NoT heroic will always be worth for the offhand.

[glad garden]

Was wondering what would matter more ilvl by say like 10 or so or the equip bonus on some crafted gear like the 2 different boots you can make. like Toxic and Slimy's

[empty pilot]

hey what's the rule on rolling for items in raids? some items (tier being a good example) i can technically use but im not able to roll on them in raid. Is it because I already have a substantial amount of tier or something?

[proven jasper]

Yes this is how having two of them works

[slate crown]

So, if you don't have a myth track main hand, you should farm for 2 NoTs. If you do have a myth track mainhand, you should only farm 1

[atomic swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[jaunty dew]

Sweet, good to know.

[past forum]

heroic as in heroic raid or heroic dungeon?

[slate crown]

As in Hero track

But also the same answer as always sim yourselves

[lavish brook]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[past forum]

yeah for sure. i simmed my m0 nick and it beats my current OH for single target XD

[tame tangle]

you probably saw a non rogue tier piece

[empty pilot]

no im certain that I couldnt' roll Need on tier

but I'm already 4 piece so I figure that has something to do with it

[jade wedge]

You most probably have already tired

Then you can't roll on another one

It's an protection against ninja looters

[empty pilot]

I didn't receive any tier loot in the raid beforehand

just the week prior

for example if I wanted to roll on tier to get the tier legs for Outlaw

[visual stratus]

Are we using shiv for raging this week at all or is it better to just hold for cd's?

[tardy blade]

Can use it if it's necessary to avoid death, don't troll a key just for a little bit more damage

[grim jay]

so just build a group that can deal with it without you having to do it

because its sucky

[tardy blade]

It is preferable if someone else can do it, yes

[slim pebble]

What’s the crafted ring called?

[burnt venture]

Titanic something or other

[tardy blade]

But if you're the only soothe, it's your job now to use on high prio mobs that need to be cc'd

[minor gate]

with the nerf to blindside is it worth going back to the traditional ST build over the bonespike one

[tardy blade]

Generally just bring a hunter, druid, or evoker friend to do it if possible though

[lofty gazelle]

Signet of titanic might or Ring-Bound Hourglass

[fleet geyser]

Is it worth playing around Witherbark's Branch trinket? Like waiting 9 secs to pick up orbs, or just pick up the 3rd in the last 9s duration of Kingsbane. Or its just not worth at all?

[slim pebble]

Yes it’s worth playing around it

[fleet geyser]

And should i pick up every 9 secs or just play around KB's last 9s?

[slim pebble]

1/1/7 for the orbs

Guzzle two right away. Guzzle last one at 7 seconds

[slate crown]

#assassination message

[fleet geyser]

tysm

[slim pebble]

Can someone share the pooling picture

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pool-8ball-8ball-pool-cat-playing-gif-22265759

[slim pebble]

Well I mean you’re not wrong

[cunning urchin]

Does anyone have a weak aura that specifically only shows each kingsbane damage tick floating next to my target?

[manic matrix]

Does feint work on smolderon’s lava waves ?

[lavish brook]

Would anyone be able recommend a vault item for me? I guess Necklace or Trinket (Porcelain Crab)

[dusk sun]

nerf doesnt feel so bad, would even say dont feel it at all

[wicked scroll]

id say branch

[native heron]

Branch for sure

[stiff pivot]

what was the command for chaining envenom

[lavish brook]

Sorry - I have branch, ember and egg

[dusk sun]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[stiff pivot]

thank

[forest notch]

is it wrong to follow the pooling practice tool roughly in real fights when outside of CDs? I started turning it back on just to more so no when I should just not press buttons

[halcyon crypt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[grizzled storm]

Bro you should be hyped as for that crab

[lavish brook]

Beauty! I was a bit disappointed. Thanks!

[warm shard]

is it still a small dps increase to reapply rupture during our shadow dance window as long as we dont allow envenom debuff to drop?

[velvet ridge]

SPITEFUL WEEK OVER, I FEEL FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[cunning basin]

Fuck spiteful, me and all my homies hate spiteful

[velvet ridge]

it feels like im hacking now

[cunning basin]

But it's tyrannical now

[drifting lily]

was just told in a raid that the nerfs are like 33% overall lol

[velvet ridge]

okay lowkey, spiteful kinda slaps, it makes you feel low, so you can feel high the next week

[cunning basin]

Just ss the pinned post and send it to them and hit em with the "?"

[quiet forge]

how many PI's are legal for logs?

[cunning basin]

One priest worth

[quiet forge]

ty

[thorn fjord]

Shortest dungeon for key spam?

Fall?

[burnt venture]

Yeah because 15% of 30% of our damage is 33% lmao some people bro

[true flume]

Yooo gammers hear me out. I was in a heroic alt raid and we pugged a priest to get me PI. We told him to Pi me and he said "a rogue?"

i was broken with 2 words.

[slim pebble]

If you don’t care about loot m0 ruby takes like 5 minutes

[empty pilot]

here's an example

[slim pebble]

Oh wait I thought you were asking for weekly quest

Ignore me

[thorn fjord]

🤣

[lavish brook]

Is it a heroic piece this week?

[slim pebble]

Yes

[lavish brook]

Nice

[velvet ridge]

atal prob

[true flume]

does arterial shiv sooth 5 targets?

[tough whale]

aoe shiv does

It also has a really fun hitbox that pulled a bear from 15 yards away in DHT the other day, range on it was really really long

[royal lantern]

doing a boost run-> 1 of the guys is a rogue that joins with "hiya"

[tough whale]

you have to open with Meowdy

[viscid spear]

I always say Meowdy

[royal lantern]

im a simple Yo guy

[tough whale]

I joined one once, dropped a meowdy and the tank insta left

[royal lantern]

[topaz horizon]

!fuu

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[royal lantern]

most mentaly stable tank player

[lucid rain]

it's not a myth nick but not bad tbh

[royal lantern]

mythic lvl dagger is mythic lvl dagger

if you dont have one yet and cant do 2nd boss, why not

(still didnt drop that one)

[lucid rain]

yeah I don't have a guild

so myth gear is stonks

[tough whale]

take the fang all day

[thorn fjord]

Dropped on our second kill thank god

No more fall spam

[royal lantern]

i dont even know if we will do re-clears anymore lol

[thorn fjord]

On week 4?

Wild

[viscid spear]

I play Mage so maybe they just deal with it for the AI

[royal lantern]

we are at smoldy 20%

[tough whale]

True true true

[thorn fjord]

Bosses should be easy enough to clear to

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/adam-sandler-cherish-it-billy-madison-gif-11616631

[royal lantern]

I KNOW

[thorn fjord]

lolol

[tough whale]

no t swizzle enjoyers?

[royal lantern]

im still gaslighting my RL too let me stay assa on smoldy oxi

[thorn fjord]

Sub angle?

[lean portal]

is 489 fang better than 483 nick ? no way right

[gusty mirage]

whispyr yesterday: "smolderon is the worst fucking boss ever, I'd rather reprog the last 4 bosses of sanctum"

[true flume]

that could have been the 20 epercent right there.

[gusty mirage]

he's in for a surprise next boss

[gusty mirage]

yes

MH Ilvl > all

[hollow dirge]

In mh, yes

[viscid spear]

tbf I'm almost completely silent for the whole run unless I have to say something.

[royal lantern]

smolderon sucks when you have 2-3 people that dont know what a 90 degree angle is

[lean portal]

what is mh ?

[tough whale]

you could say they're a bit obtuse

[gusty mirage]

main hand

[lean portal]

main hand

ok XD sorry new

[thorn fjord]

I'll give you a main hand @gusty mirage

[royal lantern]

RL just sended us this after 3 hours of wiping on smoldy

[tough whale]

👀

[viscid spear]

[lean portal]

ok im surprised, when i sim timereaping is huge

[gusty mirage]

I'd like a myth track dagger instead

if you got one of those

[tough whale]

lets see the depressing vault

[gray crest]

Just loot a myth track nick of time

Duh

[tough whale]

not more huge than ilevel on weapon.

[west blaze]

idk what's so hard about getting myth nick, just open the vault and pick it from there.

[tough whale]

^

[thorn fjord]

i do

lets swap account info 😛

[raven egret]

My vault is abysmally bad

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/reptile-lol-hehehe-gif-5441436

[raven egret]

sadge

[tough whale]

Bleh. Last week of pugging raid though as i got a trial now

[royal lantern]

there will be good shit tomorrow right

[gusty mirage]

holy fuck this is miserable to look at

[royal lantern]

RIGHT???

FOR SURE THIS TIME

[gusty mirage]

third time was not the charm for me

maybe it is for you

[tough whale]

my karma for getting

[gusty mirage]

if I didn't lose heroic cloaks to alts

I would've taken a socket

[storm forum]

Nick of Time in Left Slot

For sure

[radiant stream]

Quick question, is the kingsbane nerf huge? how much raw % we losing?

[storm forum]

Like 4%

[amber fossil]

oof, that nerf took over 6K dps from my single target build

[thin gate]

worst case = +1 socket

[tough whale]

i guess i cheer on a slight ilevel increase on tier

[thorn fjord]

@gusty mirage my vault was shit too... Got a mythic track Sandglass

[royal lantern]

i dont want the worst case

[thorn fjord]

Already have a 483 one tho

[royal lantern]

i want a mythic track dagger

like, just any

[thin gate]

always expect the worst @ vault

and uc ant get disapointet

[tough whale]

https://tenor.com/zHCf.gif

me every reset

[thorn fjord]

So council spec for Keys this week right?

[slim hamlet]

man i just cant wait to get a second myth nick tomorrow

[sharp osprey]

crying

[slim hamlet]

legs and hands

Surely something worthwhile

[sharp osprey]

i have them already at heroic track. they are upgrades just could be so much better

[brazen zodiac]

oh man i can't wait to get my first myth nick of time

maybe next week 💃

[rapid mirage]

Got Nick of Time in vault... day after i farmed all day for my se3cond one. 🥲

[slim hamlet]

Just checked how worthwhile it is to hope for a second nick in vault compared to just farming

So low I might even just go outlaw spec just to try it with a real weapon

[lucid rain]

if I got a socket on an item from m+, can I add another socket to that item using the vault reward?

[slim hamlet]

nah

[spice spire]

No

[slim hamlet]

No KB no Blindside build when?

[spice spire]

I’m going to hit filter

[slim hamlet]

jokes on u

idk what that means

[quiet oar]

[slim hamlet]

I already asked about that and it was a "likely not"

It usually says in green at the top something like "5th of december hotfixed is in"

or the likes

[spice spire]

Yes

[slim hamlet]

and it doesn't right now so doubt

[thorn fjord]

They are live

[slim hamlet]

Weird it doesn't show

[thorn fjord]

Can confirm

Simmed early this morning and after servers went live

Math checked out

[leaden garden]

Should we only use crimson tempest to apply and maintain the dot? never to spam and do dmg?

[thorn fjord]

Never spam

[slim hamlet]

it doesnt do initial dmg

[thorn fjord]

And dont use below 4 targets

[slim hamlet]

It's just a dot now, so just to maintain yes

[leaden garden]

gottcha ty

[slim hamlet]

4

[leaden garden]

4

[slim hamlet]

hmm

I do sim higher with tight spender now

^

[timber patrol]

was the assa nerf to big of a deal or nay?

[slim hamlet]

nop

still best spec likely

[thorn fjord]

Sub life is creeping ahead

[slim hamlet]

can check with bis

[naive vapor]

Hi everyone, forgive me my noob question but, does ambush procc caustic splatter in any way?

[slim hamlet]

yes

[tough whale]

think its in the tooltip

[slim hamlet]

Tooltip still not fixed

[tough whale]

oh nvm

[slim hamlet]

oh it might have been stealth fixed

idk

wasn't fixed a few weeks ago

[tough whale]

nah its unfixed

[naive vapor]

Ahh mistery solved! 🙂 Thanks alot!

[timber patrol]

ty for nfo

[slim hamlet]

Tight spender worse on BIS

But better for my gear which is low haste, so guessing it's that

[rapid maple]

What's the secondary stat of the assassination rough?

[slim hamlet]

mastery = crit = haste > vers

[half tartan]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[slim hamlet]

but u need even some vers too

so sim

[rapid maple]

Oh thanks!

[quiet oar]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[slim hamlet]

and depending on trinkets some stats gain more

[worn badger]

raidbots is hurting my brain today. its telling me a witherbarks is a dps decrease =/

[quiet oar]

Over ashes?

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[worn badger]

over 2 season 2 trinkets

[woeful meteor]

link sim

[slim hamlet]

new meta

[worn badger]

not sim, just the vault selection thing

[slim hamlet]

Wait don't tell me it is fragment again

[quiet oar]

I mean isnt it normal that a season 3 is better than season 2

Or did i read wrong

Oh yeah

I did

Decrease

[worn badger]

no its bomb dispenser and dragonscale i have equiped

[slim hamlet]

I am currentyl simming some random trinkets

lets see

[quiet oar]

Make sure

Branch is in slot one

[slim hamlet]

Yea definitely not

So far below it doesnt even sim it fully

[quiet oar]

Branch needs to be in first slot

[woeful meteor]

that's still a sim tho

[upper spear]

BIS ring with avoidance pog? https://gyazo.com/afdf80e7c3a99da485841b75b35b9784

[timber patrol]

the rotation feels so bad when no energy

[slim hamlet]

haste wont help u much

Barely matters for any uptime

what u gamers craftin this week, just some jewelry?

[timber patrol]

they also tweak outlaw im getting energy starv too

[signal wren]

is the best build for raid single the same I assume? is it pinned

[unique sorrel]

ring with food thing for me prob

[slim hamlet]

outlaw is only energy starved if rly unlucky or skill issued

[balmy condor]

In every guide

[timber patrol]

well im just coming back from S1 so prob skill issue 😛

[granite oar]

Is there any way to make my char less squishy? Just did a 21 ataldazr and had a really tough time trying to stay alive when cheat death is on cd and I’m guessing on higher keys I’m just going to get squished

[slim hamlet]

yea but I just noticed my gear sims better with tight spender

[timber patrol]

replace mastery with versa

[slim hamlet]

But bis gear doesn't

so might be worth simming

[somber sparrow]

my two best options are both rings, and both within 40 dps of each other in topgear, even though one is myth 1/4 and the other is hero 3/6. Tough call, but either one replaces a 456 ring lol

[slim hamlet]

take elusivness for tyran higher keys

Trust me it's a world of difference if you are confident u know mechanics

you will feel unkillable

[worn badger]

still trying to get a crafter for my boots and lifebound item. my server is dead cant find one

[zealous niche]

i'd just take the mythic one if its 40 dps dif, might as well get easier upgrades and ability to trade rings with friends

[slim hamlet]

aintnoway professions is still realm locked

💀

[granite oar]

Will give it a try thanks

[unique sorrel]

all my mains are alliance on Illidan, shits a headache

[quiet oar]

It is

[slim hamlet]

I am suprised if all item wise isn't realm unlocked next expansion

Would be the only thing still locked if not

[quiet oar]

Things is

[worn badger]

they just need to make it possible to put up ilvl requests on public orders

[quiet oar]

You would have spamy chat again

[slim hamlet]

consumables are already

[worn badger]

having to put in private orders for it is stupid

[slim hamlet]

yea public orders are an absolute mess

[proven carbon]

again? still is

[unique sorrel]

imagine not using addons + a different chatbox to control the lack of sanity in trade chat 🙂

[slim hamlet]

no one with any wow knowledge uses it for actual items

[quiet oar]

I mean it was more spammy when boost Ing was a Thing in trade Chat

[slim hamlet]

Imagine u still can't pick minimum quality for public orders

and every crafting station is just filled with 2000 random 1 gold orders with no own items

[quiet oar]

They just have to check the action house prices

[gaunt sigil]

The build doesnt change with the nerfs does it?

[quiet oar]

So you cant put an order up with less Gold than mats cost

[slim hamlet]

not for bis, but depending on your gear tight spender can be better

[wise gull]

[slim hamlet]

try and sim it, but other than that no

[gaunt sigil]

Aight ty

[somber sparrow]

witherbark! witherbark!

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/stich-delicious-gif-6106347

[upper spear]

ayo grats on branch

[forest nacelle]

i got my first 4pc 😄

ive had bad luck -_-

[raven egret]

sims love to give me haste

[lyric silo]

is toxic thorn actually BIS?

hearing that it's double simming damage

[slim hamlet]

it is

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-yikes-awkward-jennifer-lawrence-gif-9504720997818108080

[somber sparrow]

if you have the embellished toxic patch on another piece it has 100% increased effects

[lyric silo]

im saying it's not simming the healing it's supposed to be 50/50 but it's only simming every proc as nature damage

[thorn fjord]

Iirc this has been a thing since S1

Hell yeah my boss just left for the day

LETS FUCKING GO

[eternal nymph]

Was the case in S1 or S2, but it got fixed since

[harsh galleon]

stuck in a dilema i have a 483 ashes branch and hourglass not a fan of 2 on use trinkets which should i use sims obv telling me go branch but alot of logs showing ashes

[thorn fjord]

Ash with branch is a dps loss

You want to choose one over the other

My sims had ashes at like 3k less dps than branch

Sim it and see the difference then choose based on your pref

[uncut dragon]

I ran my sim on my vault today, it suggested a trinket as a 1.4 percent upgrade.
There was no trinket in my vault. ghosts I tell you

[eternal nymph]

Ashes glass or branch glass will sim best.
Double on use isn't the play for assa.

Ashes vs Branch is personal preference. Branch is theoretically better and it's not giga hard to play properly/get used to.
But ashes is more comfy, especially on some fights. Your call.

That you see more ashes is down to some people not liking branch, and ig it's also easier to get 489 ashes.

And the more people see "top rogues" use X, the more they think Y is simbait and also use X. Self fulfilling prophecy

[buoyant herald]

well well well

[oak hinge]

Happiness

[forest nacelle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[forest nacelle]

for me

learning 😄

[lime crypt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hE5skgmmZkGnberQ7TUDsH

but this is just cringe no?

only 181k?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/814920265452617839.webp?size=48&name=suspicious&quality=lossless

[buoyant herald]

would expect higher yeah hmmm

[forest notch]

ilvl?

nm I see it

hmm ya I sim for like 217k 476 ilvl

[buoyant herald]

that seems wildly high lol

[balmy condor]

raid buffs off?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dog-kiss-blow-kiss-deliciousness-gif-15701259

[balmy condor]

no mark of the wild

no dh

no windfury

wrong flask

no rune

[slim hamlet]

external spec with no externals

gg

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-the-fuck-is-this-wth-gif-17571836

[thorn fjord]

Good morning @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

morning

[slim hamlet]

Hello

Are you ready for the dooming?

[tawny geyser]

Hello

[lime crypt]

im somewhat simming what i should expect realistically in groups

not really raid

[slim hamlet]

Pretty sure I can skip most of it with time travel/sleep

[spice spire]

Then why are you doing a 5m pw sim

[lime crypt]

but we do get like bazilion shits from windfury, right

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

[lime crypt]

my dslice is still simming

[forest notch]

whats the dooming

[slim hamlet]

People realising they deal 4.5% less dmg in raid tonight

[forest notch]

ahh

[iron lynx]

How much would not getting pi affect my ilvl parses?

[thorn fjord]

The people dooming wont even notice it tbh @slim hamlet lol

[slim hamlet]

ilvl parses are fake with and without PI

[stiff pivot]

No one cares about ilvl parse 😎

[woven frost]

That’s assuming they played at 100% perfection to begin with

[iron lynx]

Wouldn’t ilvl parse be a more accurate representation of how you are preforming? Or am I misunderstanding

[woven frost]

Plus, buttons still feel fun. Dooming not needed

[forest notch]

are ilvl parses even useful. I never know whether to trust them or not. Random people will be like "well my ilvl parse is good" but then when their ilvl parse is bad theyll be like "while my regular parse is good"

[wise gull]

my ilvl 100 parses from castle nathria are gigachad okay

[spice spire]

Not necessarily.
If you have a 486 Nick of time but see 445 ur parse gonna be GIGA inflated for ilvl

[slim hamlet]

any knowers if logs will make a partition or if we will all parse grey?

[spice spire]

Because certain things just matter a lot more

[stiff pivot]

Ilvl parse only shows how well you did vs others in your ilvl range

I only care about total parse vs all

[lime crypt]

ppl can cheese the living shit out of ilvl parses

[iron lynx]

Which is why I assumed it would be a more accurate representation vs a parse compared to people with much worse gear

[slim hamlet]

bro wtf did I just watch

[stiff pivot]

Nah

[slim hamlet]

not mine

[burnt venture]

That poor lad

[wise gull]

what do you mean?

[forest notch]

wtf they have everything

[stiff pivot]

You're comparing vs a smaller pool of people

[forest notch]

the choice would be so hard

[stiff pivot]

It doesn't matter

[burnt venture]

Almost like choosing which supermodel to bang

[stiff pivot]

Compare yourself vs all the sin rogues

[slim hamlet]

legit every choice you could think off

[spice spire]

Sin on council