assassination

[balmy condor]

so yeah, still current

[uncut dragon]

sorry, I meant once they do, I know you spent a zillion hours simming stuff whispyr

[balmy condor]

no clue

it's not my sheet

[dense gust]

How come assa sims lowest according to the spreadsheet but performs highest?

[chilly canopy]

i know, but still kinda low chance i guess to get avoidance aswell

[balmy condor]

I don't do any of those sims

[arctic tusk]

feel like im simming kinda low for having 3 free sockets

[slim hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[south wing]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[balmy condor]

cause there's more things in a raid than a 5 minute single target no movement fight

such as:

• anything

[slim hamlet]

volcoross would like to disagree

[balmy condor]

bosses take 100% increased damage

kingsbane brr

adds exist

caustic brrr

[slim hamlet]

also why 15% kb nerf is bigger than it seems

Time to reroll

[hollow imp]

boss exists? assa brrr

[balmy condor]

waht

[bold bramble]

we doomer again?

[hollow imp]

yes

[balmy condor]

no just lobotomized

[hollow imp]

everyone go outlaw

put the spot light on those guys

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

seeing the word "nerf" attached to your spec lowers your IQ 25 points instantly

[gusty mirage]

oh shit

we're in the negatives then

[slim hamlet]

can't go in the negatives

so L

[gusty mirage]

rogue IQ actually in shambles

[bold bramble]

The Problem is, if you are a bad player you can not take those nerfs

[turbid hornet]

i hated outlaw...too many restealths...

[grim jay]

you always enlighten me

[hollow imp]

just git gud

[slim hamlet]

if u are a bad player the nerf is smaller than for good players

[old halo]

stoopid mechanics

[balmy condor]

I'm excited to hear the reasoning on this

[gusty mirage]

I'm terrible at the game, should I start dooming?

[hexed willow]

It’s mathematically proven that once you’re nerfed, you care less and perform worse

[grim jay]

bad player = no pi = reroll. wait for it

[hexed willow]

That’s why bad players are affected more

[gusty mirage]

can't, I have a date with a blindly beautiful boomkin tonight

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-happy-laughing-crying-i-cant-even-gif-24163733

[grim jay]

blindly or blindingly

[hexed willow]

@gusty mirage your punishment for failing sin is to play dust sub

[gusty mirage]

he's doing the blinding, I'm the one getting blinded

[bold bramble]

KB less dmg -> bad player is already on the limit with opener -> Opener does less damage -> small number in details -> sad

[gusty mirage]

???? I played it for smolderon

[hexed willow]

No always

4eva

[gusty mirage]

I'm playing it for tindral

[balmy condor]

you could legit remove bad player is already on the limit with opener and it would be the same argument

also the opener is entirely scripted

also if a bad player is doing bad openers

their kingsbane are going to be weaker than a good player

which means they're losing LESS damage

because 15% of a lower number

[old halo]

damn i cant figure out how to get rid of coldblood next to my name, i am forever the only assa rogue with coldblood

[balmy condor]

is a lower number

so you're not only making a silly argument that doesn't make sense

you're also arguing against yourself

hows that work

[gusty mirage]

I can change it for you if you want

[bold bramble]

would you rather lose 15% of 100$ or 15% of 1$

[old halo]

yeah thatd be great

[river cipher]

Lmao I dont know how I found the role thing

Mightve been pinned

[gusty mirage]

would you like a new flare or just blank? @old halo

[balmy condor]

15% of 1$ that's what I just said

[bold bramble]

btw i am just memeing do not take it serious

[balmy condor]

oh

[old halo]

kingsbane one

[balmy condor]

great

thanks for wasting my time then

[gusty mirage]

[old halo]

thanks bro

[gusty mirage]

[raven egret]

Kingsbane bros

[gusty mirage]

apes strong together

[bold bramble]

I am infacr a monkey

[old halo]

i loved kingsbane back in legion

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-monkey-gif-21881306

[turbid hornet]

Whispyr Help me out...how do i beat a 5ilvl higher Ret Pally in AoE at 18-20 Keys? i can only beat him at ST bosses i want to win a bet

[river cipher]

I played sudden demise for like 1 day then never touched it again

Can't find use for that talent

[old halo]

tricks of trades to the ret, ez game

[median root]

without seeing what you are doing, it's almost impossible to help you properly.

[royal lantern]

99% of its use is the 10% bleed dmg mate

lol

[raven egret]

What... do you mean by no use exactly?

[river cipher]

Aint no way its better than hybrid. Least before nerfs

[old halo]

Demise is my top damage for timewalking keys

[royal lantern]

fotm takes are alsays the best

[river cipher]

Hybrid no amp no dashing

[royal lantern]

[river cipher]

I been rogue longer than you

[raven egret]

Damn coming in here guns blazin'! I still play Arterial 😛

[bold bramble]

Nymue Question, if you are on add while DM, KB etc comes off CD is it better to send it on the add or hold for 15-20 seconds?

[balmy condor]

send it on the add

[bold bramble]

so we just send always

*most of the time

[balmy condor]

we'll you'd line it back up again after that

but sure

[old halo]

kb is 20 seconds so if you got 20secs send it

[hollow imp]

60% of the time.. it works.. everytimee

[old halo]

plus damage from zoldyke

[bold bramble]

Do we have a opener command in here?

[heavy lotus]

Im trying out assa going from outlaw, Im hitting the dummy in single target and I always get kingsbane as my highest dmg while all the logs of ppl have envenom as highest

anyone know what I might be doing wrong?

[hollow imp]

in logs it counts multiple parts into one section

theres 3 parts to envenom into one bar

[turbid hornet]

So as a normal rule for AOE packs, i do not want to apply Garrote/Rupture if there is no priority target unless i have Carnage right?

[wind falcon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[shell quail]

Question: when between KB, do we stockpile energy, spend it down to nil then let it regen before doing that all over again, or should I be using my thistle tea more freely?
Also, reading above, do I only need tea for the last 6s of KB? I had been using a charge to empower my non-deathmarked KB and snapshoted rupture and garrote.
Or am I just cooked?

[old halo]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[shell quail]

Oh shit

That 3rd point, thank you!

[old halo]

just save a tea for last 6 seconds of kb

[stoic pond]

Just to clarify wafting is better then sophic for assa right? Weapon ench

[old halo]

sim yourself

[hollow imp]

mine sims one each, just sim it

[old halo]

it vairies by gear, i use one of each cuz robots told me to

[stoic pond]

Ty

[past forum]

I find myself the most at risk for dropping the Envenom chain whenever I have to refresh Rupture, unless I was lucky with Blindside or Seal Fate procs around that time. Is it natural to have a chain break here and there or is it likely krill issue?

[solid mica]

Happens to me too, not sure why

[oak tangle]

i had a word with whispyr and he said just let it drop there, you can do a 5 or 6 cp envenom right before that rupture to keep the chain going, but i guess it's not that important

[old halo]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[oak tangle]

if it lines up it lines up, but dont chase it

[sage basin]

There's two components to the iced phial, the part that just randomly happens and the one from taking too much damage

[old halo]

are you pooling correctly

[keen spruce]

There’s two self damage portions

Oh I was scrolled way up oops

[oak tangle]

even with pooling, you will have times where it drops

[old halo]

troof, but then it says to pool engery to 80% to start new chain

[urban rampart]

Anyone have a WA for tracking indiscriminate carnage? I am using luxthos WA package.

[past forum]

Yeah I’m familiar with the concept and what to do if it drops, I was just curious how often it actually happens in practice.

[old halo]

def varies by ambush procs and having to reapply, or a mechinach

[oak tangle]

i would love to test how much loss it is to generate at 4 cp, and lose the cp procs to keep the chain going

[fervent jasper]

I joined a weekly no leaver +21 EB trying to farm the trinket thinking "how bad could it be? it's just a 21". And OMG we wiped on the last boss so many times that 40% of my damage for the entire key is just him

[wild beacon]

really? and that random dmg isn't in the tooltip then because i can't see it anywhere

is it just what toxic phials do

[old halo]

yup you get damage every so often for having it on and also when you take 400% damage

[keen spruce]

replied to wrong message

[clever niche]

gotta kill his tree friend the buff the boss get will outright murder the group - awkward timings on 2mins as you have to decide on tree or boss

[keen spruce]

it's all covered

[cunning needle]

on the 1st week we wiped at 5% because the tank made the call "just tunnel boss" when the add spawned

🙃

boss was 12mill health add was like 6mill

[clever niche]

yeeeeesh

[fervent jasper]

we were. Our healer was just not able to keep us up. I was feinting every stomp and still dying

[wild beacon]

yeah i dunno if that's fucked or scaling off fort or something

[cunning needle]

was gonna be the timed 20 as well

never swapping off add again now lmao

[fervent jasper]

I timed a +22 EB last night with this DH tank. Strat was pretty cool. He called to not stomp the flowers and then when they all spawned he silence sigiled them and we just cleaved them down

[cunning needle]

funnel

our DH tank sometimes takes teh boss for a lap around the room on DHT 3rd boss

[solid mica]

Yeah i actually hate using that shit, and that having alc is like a must to run that in keys

[wild beacon]

it seems to fuck with shroud when it goes off for other people too

[solid mica]

Yup

I just run vers in keys

Cba

[turbid hornet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[turbid hornet]

Does Sin have AOE Cap?

Oh soft cap right? 5 targets

[oak tangle]

what spell

[balmy condor]

all spells

[sweet dawn]

CT stops getting increased damage at 5
Spatter does reduced damage beyond 5
Scent of blood caps at 5
AP is 5
Poison bomb has no cap but

[balmy condor]

Poison bomb has no cap because it’s too dogshit for a cap to make a difference

[lime crypt]

r u still here sir

[slate crown]

I'm somewhere.

[reef oxide]

would it be a bad idea to gem vers + master in my neck? the sim tells me thats the highest but i feel like no one actually uses those gems for Sin

i have feeling it will change after replacing a few peices of gear

[vapid skiff]

well thats how its always gonna be for sin

[icy acorn]

what build would you go for in throne of tides?
id guess hybrid because of those fat crabs right? (23 key btw)

[vapid skiff]

your stat wieghts are close

[slate crown]

People gem what the robot tells them. Their robot told them something different, or they didn't consult the robot.

[vapid skiff]

it will change after a gearpiece swap

[slate crown]

Your robot is saying vers mas, so go vers mast

[vapid skiff]

just follow the sim

[slate crown]

OR

Don't

And just pick whatever

it's probably close enough

(But follow the sim if you want a real answer)

[slate crown]

(I am here, you can ask your question)

[lime crypt]

ehhhh

i wanted to ask you something

[royal lantern]

i mean, if it sims highest it sims highest

assa secondarys are all so close too eachother rn, they will do funny stuff, so yeha, you get 1-2 different items and it wants new gems just dont re-gem for 200dps

[lime crypt]

but then i figured out, then i wanted to ask something else, but i found out that it might not be the best way to do it (wanted to make it so whenever i use dance, the bar as it turns blue, tzhe bar would also go down depending on how much time left. But then again if i did it, i wouldnt see how much energy i have, so its pointless anyways

[topaz horizon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[trail locust]

@limber lion hows the rouge looking like now??? now that dh is dead and unplayable and so im thinking im swapping to rouge now instead of dh. but how is rouge nerf then ?

[sonic schooner]

nerf = dead, rogue is dead, sorry you should try ww they got buffed

🤓

[slate crown]

I used to do so many iterations on every gem/flask/weapon rune / OCE stat combo back in early season 1 on my warrior, for who all stats are also pretty even. I wasted so much time for 85 dps

[stark oxide]

Honestly I go to subcreation.net and use the gems and enchants in those stats. I sim everything in general, but if you're concerned with "future proof" I think that is the most realiable yet lazy way. If it is best for 40% of top rogues it is probably best or close to that for you

[cunning needle]

yeah i was doing some regemming sims and it was like 0.3% diff or something

[limber lion]

[cunning needle]

wanted to regem for sub smoldy prog

aint paying 12k a gem fuck that shit

i'll take the 0.3% L

[slate crown]

Yup, that's why I just change the color and add the timer text.

[sonic schooner]

Yea idk why a week ago gems went from 400/u to 4k+/u

[slate crown]

Wait

what in the shit

[near magnet]

is it possible for someone to sim my char? cause i am bit confused? ( st )

[slate crown]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh logging back to my JC wtf

happened

I gotta go

[cunning needle]

NA btw

[slate crown]

yah

I have like so many mats for all gems just sitting in my bags

[sudden brook]

how do you actually get branch to be functional on tindral if ur doing first dragons

Is it actually possible to get the orbs properly

[trail locust]

just pick them up

[cunning needle]

just do 1/1/1

[slate crown]

I got baited. Should have looked at the stock

[cunning needle]

is it at a reasonable price now?

[slate crown]

302 available in your ss, it's back up to 2.4k avaialble and down to 1k each

[urban rampart]

Wth is pandemic? I can't find any talent on it?

[slate crown]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[exotic rose]

Through whole prog I had it macroed to deathmark but as you noticed the timing is bad because you would be pressing it on top of the fire swirl and move far away from it. I changed the macro to remove the trinket and I’m now manually pressing it a few seconds after we move from the swirl and I kinda just wait for them to come to me while dodging both sets of tornados.

[sudden brook]

r u doing first dragons tho?

[urban rampart]

Is this a talent?

[exotic rose]

Yes

[slate crown]

It's a game concept, it's not an ability (Well, it was an ability a long time ago but it became a generic effect in the game, and now everyone calls it Pandemic)

[sudden brook]

So ur just using it after the move and then rushing to grab all 3 insta for KB?

[slate crown]

No, it's just a concept of how dots work.

[exotic rose]

But my KB has expired by the time I move to the feather

[cunning needle]

actually ancient wow lore - it used to be a talent for warlocks back in mop or something but then got given to everyone else

[slate crown]

It does what it says here. All dots work like this, and when we discuss this behavior, we call it "Pandemic"#assassination message

[exotic rose]

Im not focusing so much on grabbing the orbs as I am on dodging the tornados but yes I’m grabbing 3 stacks eventually

[sudden brook]

Embersoul just sims so much worse, but I'm tempted to use it to no brain it

[exotic rose]

My KB is finishing as I’m moving to get feathers

[lime crypt]

do you by any chance know how to put like some super weirdass glow on a skill whenever the thing is active? like i press it, lets say cloak, and during the whole duration while its active, its gonna glow like purple lets say

[cunning needle]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Pandemic_(warlock_ability)

[urban rampart]

Is there a big dps difference if trying to play around it?

[cunning needle]

wym play around it

[storm forum]

its a huge QoL to play with it, but theoretically you could ignore it and only refresh DoTs when they expire

[slate crown]

The point is that you are safe to overwrite your own dots on a target based on the rules outlined (less than 30% of duration remaining) without losing any damage. If you wait until the very end of the dot until it falls off to reapply, you may have time wehre the dot isn't applied and that is a damage loss to not have it applied. You should play into it, but the point is the flexibility of application times.

[slate crown]

Also most weakauras for dots that you may grab make an attempt to glow/shine or something to tell you when the dot is in pandemic, when it does that, it's safe to apply again

[near magnet]

can anyone here sim my char for st? Iam rly confused , weapons runes are changing everything and with the medium raidbots sub is unbearable , thanks in advance

[sudden brook]

Ty

[slate crown]

I mean yeah adding glows onto any aura is possible based on conditions, it's a pretty standard thing. The styles of glows that are (easily) available are on the display page (there are 4 available glow styles), and you can customize them to varying degrees there (including custom colors).

[oak tangle]

my OCE stat is 100%

[exotic rose]

I also tend to use the vanish window to refresh garrote and rupture since they would fall of when we are chasing the orbs

[urban rampart]

Is there a macro to use ambush when in a stealth window over mutilate? Not talking about blindside.

[slate crown]

mine is 0

[exotic rose]

You can put ambush on the stealth bar and mutilate on your non stealth bar

[sudden brook]

ye

[limber lion]

/cast [nostance:0]Ambush; Mutilate

If you're a non-stealth bar user like me

[urban rampart]

Ty

[slate crown]

If you were asking how, go to display tab and scroll down then add a glow. Note down the Glow number (which may be more than 1 if others are already there.

Then uncheck Show Glow. Then go to Conditions and configure whatever logic you want for when the Glow should show. Sometimes this means adding extra triggers too, adding a trigger exposes its information to Conditions. (And you can make the newly added trigger not affect the trigger logic by making sure you use Any Triggers or a Custom Function on the Activation dropdown on the trigger page).

Inside the glow on the display tab you can expand the configuration options and change it however you like. Some glows have very little you can change (Action Button Glow) and others you can change a whole bunch of properties, but all of them let you change the glow color

[median root]

[lime crypt]

ehhhhhhh

[velvet ridge]

Frfr no cap on god

[fervent jasper]

Are these good stats?

[velvet ridge]

Idk low vers may be our best dmg, but then you DIE

[fervent jasper]

I'm only doing +23s and 24s

[lavish wing]

Ask Whispyr for stat breaking points

[fervent jasper]

he's just going to say sim it

[slate crown]

Yes, he is.

Do you need more?

[lavish wing]

That would be a mild answer, yes

[velvet ridge]

Those are fun stats for sure

70 mastery, then you pop branch? Mmmm

Yummy

[lavish wing]

A whimsical, if I may...

[velvet ridge]

I think crit a lil low

[slate crown]

Like I don't even know what my stats page says

I have no idea how much haste/crit/etc I have

[lavish wing]

I know what it doesn't say... It doesnt say "Timestrike"

[slate crown]

[limber lion]

Your guess is as good as ours.

[fast phoenix]

Miss the days I had 18% avoidance lol

[lavish wing]

Miss the days dodge rtg scaled with agi 😂

[slate crown]

[lime crypt]

i think i got it working!!!!

also i found an issue

[slate crown]

nice!

[sudden brook]

@exotic rose ye feels way better, ty babes

[slate crown]

and oh no

[lime crypt]

whenever i was chaning color

i accidentally changed backdrop color to yellow too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1071838512162291713.webp?size=48&name=Skull&quality=lossless

also

this is fine right

... right? XD

[arctic tusk]

i need ashes buff so i can justify not using this branch

[slate crown]

No not necessarily. Did you add any triggers to those auras to do that?

[arctic tusk]

these orbs are something else

[rancid meadow]

when is it best to use branch trinket in raid? after you do ur rotation or before

[lavish wing]

What do u mean after

[arctic tusk]

@slate crown any chance you could send me just the KB bar from ur WA that has the lines on it

[slate crown]

!wa It's in my profile. My profile is a list of standalone auras you can take without the pack. KB Timeline is either the first or second result

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[arctic tusk]

oh nice it has standalones

tyty

[lavish wing]

I just made sound and text warnings to tea when 6 sec left on KB and vanish on 3

[rancid meadow]

i mean like after dm, sd and kb etc

[misty holly]

If you stack enough vers you don't even have to do mechanics anymore. It's chill.

[arctic tusk]

i would imagine its easier to see the bar getting closer to the line and getting ready for the button than reacting to the sound

but the sound does sound fun

ngl

[lavish wing]

It depends how u pick up orbs, if u do 1/1/7 u can use it before dm

[lavish wing]

I try to spread the load to my other senses 😂

Eyes r kinds overutilized

[rancid meadow]

do u have link for this ?

[arctic tusk]

i was about to ask if you got a recording of it to see for an example

[wide whale]

woo 1 down

[lavish wing]

I wrote it myself and wont be on my computer for the next 10h 😟

[arctic tusk]

np

i will @ you in 10 hours

[lime crypt]

nope i didnt add anything to that

i took whispyr afenar

core group

and moved it into your group

but it seems to be working tho

[slate crown]

The KB Timer bar in my profile has sound options for every bar, so you can add a sound to each if you'd like.

[outer cairn]

welp time to farm infinite timereaver because i'd rather do that than farm this damn dagger. better drop chance anyways

[arctic tusk]

is it easy to import sounds or do i have to get a whole add on for that

need some tom and jerry sfx

[lavish wing]

Oh I didnt import any special sound, just used one from the menu

[slate crown]

Weakauras has a whole library of sound effects you can pick from. However I also support custom sound effects, but you need to supply those files yourself. Once you have them you can enter the filepath into the options page and it will play the custom sound instead.

I can't help you get tom and jerry .oggs tho

[wide whale]

the mouse is watching

[slate crown]

All you ahve to do is place the file somewhere in your wow directory and you can point to it

[arctic tusk]

LOL its ok i was just wondering if its difficult to add them on or not

gotcha

[slate crown]

Adding them is easy if you get the file. Getting the file is often the hard part if you aren't familiar with media manipulation

[wide whale]

wowhead says wafting devotion for weapons, is that for reals?!

[lavish wing]

Just got an idea to import Bruce Buffer's "IIIIIITTTS TIIIIIIIIIMEEEEE" for my 2nd shiv warning during KB

[slate crown]

The warning sign means an error was hit, which usually isn't good. Also keep in mind, those two auras in Whispyr's pack are also in my pack, which is why it says "2" next to them. They shouldn't collide with each other. It's not good if a warning is hit, you can keep playing with it if they're working and it doesn't happen agian, but that's not something I would expect or want to see. I am curious to know what, exactly, you changed, however.

[frank stone]

do we have the dreamcarver buffs pinned somewhere?

[slate crown]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1180129404031082546/dagger.webp

[frank stone]

ty

[slate crown]

Tho some of those titles are misleading

[slate crown]

Do what the robot says. For most, it's usually wafting, but it can be sophic too if the robot says so, it can go either way.

[wide whale]

all hail the robot

thank you

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-zed-robot-good-point-david-zed-gif-16210006

[hoary remnant]

good stats will make you a god player screw playing roation correct, planing cds or do any research. It all comes down to the numbers your gear provides

[fervent jasper]

Thankfully you don't have to choose between the 2

[slate crown]

Because if you made an innocent/simple change that changes a visual, and it caused an error, I want to know about it because that means it can happen to others as well.

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/code-gif-25605989

[slate crown]

Yeah except often instead of immediately collapsing it doesn't happen until like 20 minutes later unrelated to anything you thought would interact with it

[wide whale]

robot says 1 wafting, 1 sophic

[lavish wing]

Dang, for me 2 WD were +300 dps comparing to WD/SD

And the damn thing is pricey

Cant make R3 WD yet

[thorn fjord]

@slate crown yoo mindl linking me your branch wa

[arctic tusk]

https://wago.io/q7bHLuILp

[slate crown]

!wa profile->1st or 2nd result. It goes back and forth with kb timeline

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[thorn fjord]

ty

[tawdry crypt]

Is there a build suggestion for every boss? Or do you just run spatter on any boss with cleave and thats it

[outer cairn]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[outer cairn]

check there

[tawdry crypt]

Thats just the different builds, not suggested per boss

[slim hamlet]

are the aug log hooks fixed a myth or has it actually happened?

[limber lion]

not that I've heard of

[lime crypt]

i mean

[lime crypt]

error was caused to whispyr's afenar group, not your own

this is the error if you want to know

[slate crown]

Thank you, I will look at it.

[lime crypt]

@slate crown what i think would work is just straight up take your core and leave it be. I think its the same, right

[slate crown]

I mean they're different packs. They're going to be different. The Rupture/Garrote are specifically the same, but the rest are going to have differences because, well, they're just different packs 😛

[ember gyro]

Within a KB window, after the stealth I'm not sure if I should refresh my bleeds or send envenom

[slate crown]

always refresh garrote once in dance

[forest notch]

Any swaps I shoud make here for mythic gnarl to get IC?

[slate crown]

refresh rupture if it's in pandemic otherwise just focus on envenom

[ember gyro]

ah, the pandemic bit is helpful

[slate crown]

I don't know that you need to swap to IC for gnarl but

if you were to, you would drop Dashing for it

[ember gyro]

but don't worry about a garotte at the end of your kb window?

[slate crown]

When you vanish, yes, you do it each time

in dance once, and once in vanish

[ember gyro]

it's rupture that's dependent on pandemic or not

[shut magnet]

guys, i trained yesterday, now i do more damage than the healer , i just started to use my cooldowns, and flooding Garrote and Rupture

[slate crown]

Correct.

Just refresh garrote once in dance and vanish each time. Rupture just refresh if it's falling otherwise envenom

[ember gyro]

within lust, and given PI, do we also like a Tea at the start of our KB window?

[dark crag]

At the end

Last 6 secs

KB damage gets amplified over its duration

[dusk sun]

When KB is exactly 6 seconds or less

But better if exactly 6

[dark crag]

Technically 5.99

[harsh galleon]

does pi go to sin still or uhdk with nerfs?

[dusk sun]

Depends if the uhdk is a scrub

[empty pilot]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[shut owl]

I think I'm doomed to never parse tswifty lol. just noticed my raid is running triple pally with freedom spam, and then mass dispel + 3 more dispels. not even getting 5 targets XD

didn't even top root damage because 2 hunters and a warlock are in narnia padding

[south wing]

is Narnia further than Africa ?? It is right?

[shut owl]

on the plus side... I finally think I mastered my 4p flow

narnia is impossibly far, you gotta take magical means to get there

I see our warlocks poof out

[slate crown]

Looked into it, this should not happen frequently, it's an edge case having to do with rare instances where talent changes fire in different orders. I fixed this issue a while ago but that version of the aura doesn't appear to be in Whispyr's pack. It should not show up often, and if it does it is harmless. This isn't guaranteed with these things, just happens to be the case here.

If you want, you can continue to use those auras, or you can delete specifically the Garrote / Rupture from Whispyr's core group and replace with my standalone version, you can find them in my profile (I have one for Garrote and Rupture individually). Or, you could just take them from my pack my overall pack has the newest versions, or just use my whole core group, whatever you prefer.

[lime crypt]

so realistically speaking i can just take your rupture and garrote and place it in whispyr

and problem solved ye?

[slate crown]

Yup

that too

[lime crypt]

idk why im making it so difficult

i shouldve just used urs from the start

and just change the bar so its down

[slate crown]

I mean

These tools are core to your game experience, they are your literal interface to the world (of warcraft).

Have you learned anything new from messing about with these things?

It's good to have a familiarity with Weakauras and attempting to make your own like this for yourself is still good to understand, and is more than most do. If you've learned anything new, even if you end up discarding it all, you'll have a greater appreciation for the tools you use every day, and that's good.

[lime crypt]

yeah, i learned that its a husstle

learned to change colors

learned what gradient is

learned backdrop

and how to make glow on skills

and learned to make dynamic groups

[eternal heath]

wow arms warrior is pretty unfun to play

[slim pebble]

I kinda like that

[slate crown]

There you go, you're a learning machine

[slim pebble]

Opening WAs and trying to make something gives me anxiety but I’d like to learn because all of the ones I see are almost perfect

[silver horizon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

That's how it always starts.

[lunar panther]

random question. was hitting a training dummy and notice i was getting kings bane back every 40ish seconds not a min. whats lowering its cooldown?

[blazing jewel]

was it in valdrakken

[lunar panther]

no, was in org

[blazing jewel]

weird I was thinking it was a dreamsurge buff

[lusty steeple]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[urban rampart]

If fighting 3 targets and I don't have any stealth available (Tank just chainpulling zug zug) should I try to rupture or garrote multiple targets? Or just focus on main target and dump CP into envenoms?

[lunar panther]

ez shadowdace ;p. but i always put up bleeds even when i dont have stealth

[urban rampart]

Don't always have shadow dance because its part of kingsbanecd's though... And vanish on 2 min cd

Especially this week with spiteful GL getting re-stealths

[lunar panther]

also to answer my own question. it was just detials being stupid and making a new instance when i was usning vanish and causing my to read wrong time

i dont using dance with kings bane this week for trash

im out of stealth to much

and get more out of it by just getting up like 6 more garrotes

obv use it for bosses. but i swear you get like 3 restealths all dungeon

[velvet marten]

So i get the concept of pooling but how does one know when it's time too pool like pandemic but idk i cant seem to grasp it, can someone perhaps expalin it another way? outside TLDR in there own words idk just not clickling with me what too look for for pandemic?

[strange python]

dh doing too much or im doing too little? its BRH 24

[outer cairn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[frozen shard]

good evening/morning.
My name is Thanda and I started the assa Rogue. Unfortunately, I can't handle the rotation and might need some help with general things. I wanted to ask if anyone could possibly help me with this. Ah and sry for my bad english D:

[runic hinge]

I forgot to change my build after council so my nyume kill has IC

[lime crypt]

i was working on it for half a day

and then i found out that i couldve just done 2 tweaks and be done with it

if i started with LE's weakaura fully from the start

[outer cairn]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[keen spruce]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[keen spruce]

you just follow the rules above.

do you have over 80% energy? start an envenom chain. which means you build to 4+ cp then wait until env has about 1s remaining before casting env again

you're still following all normal rotation rules

refresh bleeds etc

[oak tangle]

i got this shmeeps

[keen spruce]

if the env chain breaks for whatever reason

[keen spruce]

just vibe back to 80% energy again

I hate that picture memz

lol

[oak tangle]

why u hate it

pic not clear? rotation stuck in blender

[velvet marten]

wait until env has about 1s remaining before casting env again.
what do you mean by this? if u use env then build cp u can use it again there is no CD.. what 1sec you mean?

[keen spruce]

i know how to pool and that picture makes me confused

[oak tangle]

envenom is a buff on you

as well

[keen spruce]

when you envenom. there's a buff based on the number of CP you spent

and if you read your new 4-pc tier set bonus

you'll see that playing around this is an important part of our damage

and that's part of why pooling has become more important this tier than in previous

[velvet marten]

ok so my next question is this.
is it ok then to be auto attacking waiting for energy when on CD ofc.

[oak tangle]

yup

the way the spec works, is we are energy and combo point locked, which means we can have alot of free gcd's

if you don't cap on energy or combo points, you don't lose casts

[velvet marten]

right mk. ill watch that env buff.

ty

[fickle cargo]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[kindred crescent]

Hey coming back to rogue after years and was wondering what is the easiest build to get back into assasination for mythic plus

[oak tangle]

it can feel very counter intuitive to the caster mentality of "always be casting"

i think someone posted a screenshot of them waiting 13 seconds for their energy bar to refill after dropping an envenom

[velvet marten]

i moved to rouge from pali, like for 48h and classic+ SoD lauched and been over there but im bis and 25 of there so im back learning so noob questions really.

[earnest grotto]

wafting devotion weapon enchant still better then sophic?

[oak tangle]

any build plays the same, unless you take one without crimson tempest, but i wouldn't reccommend that

[oak tangle]

you'll need to sim it

[forest notch]

If I cant hit pandemic on anything, my energy isnt full and my combo points are maxxed. Im not wasting combo points in this scenario correct?

[oak tangle]

correct

[forest notch]

thought so

just wanted to make sure I wasnt crazy

I was explaining this to a guildie the other day then later I was second guessing myself lol

[oak tangle]

there is more to do with envenom that could be useful to know, whether you have the buff etc

but if you are mid envenom chain, and it hasn't dropped yet, you are good to wait

[forest notch]

When im able to cast ambush outside of stealth (ie. shadowdance etc). Does Ambush do more dmg then envenom (Assuming I dont let chain fall off?

[oak tangle]

but you still wouldn't be wasting combo points

[oak tangle]

if you can cast ambush outside of stealth, being blindside, you would use it the same as you would mutilate

[balmy condor]

Comparing ambush to envenom is a really weird thing

[forest notch]

I see a lot of people in their dance window doing Garrote, amb, ENV, AMB, ENV Im curious if they are sending less that 4 point envenoms here or not

[kindred crescent]

ty friendo 🙂

[balmy condor]

No, it’s critting to 4

[forest notch]

Ya sorry I was lacking context and realized I askked it wrong anyway

[cunning needle]

the fuck is this lmao

10/10 shit post would repost

[forest notch]

ahh ok so rules still apply in dance window for when to send Env 4+ always

[cunning needle]

also why does that envenom icon look like spring onions

[grim tangle]

onions are tasty

[cunning needle]

facts

[oak tangle]

i am arteest

[cunning needle]

1000 hours of experience in ms paint

it's actually pretty good

[oak tangle]

the only reason i haven't done one for an opener, is too many icons to draw

[bleak eagle]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1180129404031082546/dagger.webp

[bleak eagle]

ok stupid question

does aberration have a problem that it unstealths u??

[balmy condor]

Would assume the magic damage you take unstealths you

But yeh maybe idk

[pallid goblet]

is there a way for details not to make a new segment after vanishing when hittin dummy

[cunning needle]

yes

set it to dynamic overall in settings

just make sure you set it back afterwards

you can also use the script

[pallid goblet]

thanks a ton

[cunning needle]

no wokkas

[tall jay]

Which spec has a better chance at daggers Sin or sub

For m+

[cunning needle]

if you ask in assi - it's assi
if you ask in sub - it's sub

[balmy condor]

Real

Loot tables are fake

[cunning needle]

loot doesnt exist

[balmy condor]

Don’t believe big loot

[cunning needle]

all you get is

[tall jay]

lol

Ok ok

Rng god sacrifice it is then

[cunning needle]

goats work well as sacrifices

try that

but yeah pretty sure sub/assi is exact same loot table

[balmy condor]

It is

The only loot table difference on rogue is outlaw slow weapons vs sub/assa daggers

Otherwise identical

[tall jay]

Ok cool

Hoping that I see a nick in my vault lol

[cunning needle]

don't forget to set it before you open. I did a fall key and got an outlaw weap on my 6th run 🙃

[tall jay]

lol

I got the hourglass

[eternal heath]

sir I thought you were playing sin

[dusk sun]

which weapon enchant is the best for rogue?

is it not sophic devotion?

[eternal heath]

whatever the sim says

[sick abyss]

i dont think this dagger exists

[cunning needle]

on moldy smoldy now so i am back to sub for raid, outlaw for keys

see how it continues next week

[loud sand]

Any other button-mashers accidentally use Thistle Tea twice? Any macro to prevent this, like a cancelqueue?

[cunning needle]

this is peak outlaw brain lmao

could try a cast sequence?

but im no macro expert

[eternal heath]

tragic

Havent touched sub this season. Although sin is a bit rough on smoldy

We got him this week, maybe H Tindral next week

[cunning needle]

i didnt play sub until smoldy because i neede the back to back chain pulls to figure shit out

[eternal heath]

I was able to pug tindral and fryakk this week. Checking the CPM on fyrakk and me and the other sin rogue were around 53-55ish? And the outlaw was at like 140

Couldnt be me

[cunning needle]

yeah outlaw is wild

[eternal heath]

Although I think we are doing the skip in normal, so att least trindral should be doable

[waxen oyster]

cpm for outlaw is inflated

by ruthlessness refunds being "combo pt" casts

[twin wing]

Do anyone has a up to date IL chart for each mythic?

[eternal nymph]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1180990375947685979.webp?size=128&quality=lossless

[eternal nymph]

?

[bronze pike]

i have another sin fix for u

[tame tangle]

it’s still big but yea not 140

[twin wing]

Ilu

Ty

[bronze pike]

we dont like shadowdance right? okay we rework shadowdance

[waxen oyster]

its like 80 something

[bronze pike]

shadowdance is now shadow "twirl" for 4 seconds you twirl and release barrages of poisons every ssecond granting 1 combopoint

[eternal heath]

Yeah I thought I recalled the simcraft report showing 85ish

[bronze pike]

cd is 5mins reduced by each time a poison or bleed ticks

[harsh anchor]

what's everyones fursona

[twin wing]

How do I get my rouge role for outlaw

I want mines have a picture

🥺

[valid shadow]

Is there a thing called to much mastery for us? I'm at 65% and 31% crit. The other 2 are at 10% is this to unbalanced?

[harsh anchor]

Consult the almighty robot

[balmy condor]

That’s just tornado

[trim gust]

hey guys quick question about class talent tree. i see WoWhead and icy veins recommand taking subterfurge. i dont understand it's usefulness since arent we suposed to spread garrotes in the openener (talking mainly m+)

[balmy condor]

Nightstalker

And you definitely are supposed to spread garrotes

Idk what m+ you’re doing

[twin wing]

Ok this chart just tells me drops. I need one to know what item level I need to be to get in certain mythics+

[true shadow]

a few times tonight I got this weird interaction in raid where I would shiv > deathmark > SD > and then my Kingsbane would not go out. I could do damage to the target, but it was Immune?

[twin wing]

Wait

I see it

[balmy condor]

The thing on the left

[twin wing]

Im blind

[trim gust]

low ones just started my rogue this xpac (12-15) so nightstalker gets an added 3 sec from subterfuge if i understand correctly

[harsh anchor]

parry rip

[twin wing]

This right?

[balmy condor]

That’s the bottom

Left

[true shadow]

miks scrolling battle text was saying "immune" but I didnt have a chance to look in logs. so I was just getting parried a bunch of times??

[balmy condor]

The one where your thumb makes an L

[exotic rose]

May we should macro shadowstep before KB 😂

[harsh anchor]

true and real writing my macro now

I get depresso when my KB parrys

I forfeit that pull

[exotic rose]

You just jump off the platform and call it a wipe

[harsh anchor]

At least on council as that's the fight it happens the most for me

[gentle rover]

Honestly as a dps to get invited you have to be a similar ilvl to the loot that drops at the end so for a 16 you want to be 460+ to get invites

[exotic rose]

You can also be invited to a 20 no matter the ilvl for 500k dm for more jokes

[bronze pike]

no silly, its poisons not ninja stars

different

[twin wing]

What I get for 435 right now

[harsh anchor]

possibly idk, maybe you KB'd gnarlroot in his "I take no damage phase" .. idk if he goes immune during that but that's the only thought I have

[chrome night]

i was opening on pip to help even out and this dude is parrying like crazy

[balmy condor]

Don’t open from in front then

[gentle rover]

Up to 5s until like 450 ilvl for a loose guideline

[harsh anchor]

I gotta spin around aewrynn and dodge dog frontals the whole time to not parry KB

bis

[true shadow]

it was on fyrrak and fyrrak adds

[lyric crater]

how do i just sim enchants on weapons

[twin wing]

Ty ty

[cunning needle]

evasion only works if you are facing them correct?

so if your back is facing them it doesnt work

[balmy condor]

There’s a section under your gear where you can select it

[exotic rose]

Maybe they should make all attacks from stealth cannot be parried

Like cheap shot

[cunning needle]

maybe they should just delete parry from teh game

[misty holly]

Yeah it's kind of dumb, like you can't see them to dodge if they are attacking from the back. That's why Demon Hunter dodge works 360 degrees because they don't have to see or something.

[cunning needle]

either delete parry or make it so spells can miss as well

and let mages glacial spikes be dodged

[runic hinge]

bring back resists

[misty holly]

Under that logic, though, Evasion shouldnt work at all if you take the cloudy eyes cosmetic option.

[lyric crater]

ty

[twin wing]

Ok so what 430+ Mythics stop at for 5s?

[balmy condor]

That would imply evasion worked before

[twin wing]

Im writing things down😭

[fallow acorn]

fear sigil wipes all bleeds off? 😮

[twin wing]

Ok meaning 16+ is 463

Im correct right?

Im sorry im just new researching this stuff😭

[cunning needle]

thats what ilvl it drops

[balmy condor]

+15 drops 463 end of key

[cunning needle]

honestly mate, don't forget as well you can form your own groups

90% of wow players don't realise they can use their own key

and it's not some cosmetic item in their bags

[twin wing]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-no-idea-gif-27149353

This wow shit stressing

[cunning needle]

hahaha one step at a time i guess

have you joined a guild yet?

[twin wing]

Yes but they not helping

[cunning needle]

they can be a bit hit and miss sometimes

ooft

[fallow acorn]

ooooh if a DH pulls with fear sigil, you don't get any IC - it only applies bleeds to your main target

[twin wing]

Bc im trying to figure out something but all im seeing what mythic level n items I loot to get a certain armor

[misty holly]

wait, what?

[twin wing]

But im trying to figure out like example

If my Item level 440 what mythics can benefit me

[raven egret]

doesnt spread to CCed targets

imagine pulling with Misery however -_-

[fallow acorn]

Zerocool just did a AD

[cunning needle]

anything above 2

[fallow acorn]

the DH put fear sigil on one pack of those tiny raptors on the bridge

he opens with garrotes/ruptures - he gets no spread via IC

[twin wing]

Im needing a list of all of it all the way to 20+

[fallow acorn]

he looked at dmg breakdown after the pull - no bleeds in the top dmg at all

it didn't apply to any mob but his main target

[misty holly]

Is this why people don't talent into IC sometimes?

[balmy condor]

No one does that

[raven egret]

yeah so again, DH tank shouldnt pull with Misery to begin with - especially with a rogue, just let em iron wire the pack

[serene basin]

Friends, I'm troubled. I've been doing some dgs and realized i have an issue of not using SD+KB in trash packs enough, due to the ramp and when om about to start the combo the tankyest add is 60% hp and won't even live enough together the full KB dmg

[fallow acorn]

both specs of DH can take that talent

[serene basin]

Is this normal for you guys?

Or you just use it and who cares about the full dmg

[misty holly]

Yeah sometimes, depends on the pack.

[fallow acorn]

so the DH put fear sigil on pack 1, went and got pack 2 - the group opened on pack 1

[misty holly]

and the key level.

[raven egret]

Low enough keys you will have that issue yep

[serene basin]

20s

[balmy condor]

Yep

[serene basin]

😭😭

[raven egret]

I understand what happened, I'm saying that shouldnt happen. Misery is a great stop - but if a DH does that then hold to open on the second pack instead or something

[raven egret]

tbf got to identify the mobs you can apply to and cleave off from - Abominations in Everbloom for example are very respectful of our needs

[serene basin]

I do have that notion but my guildies know it too

They are real good at cleaving off from mobs

[raven egret]

then do higher keys 😄 the type of group you are in will influence your targets and CD usage a lot

[serene basin]

Yeah, I figured

Ty, tho

[twin wing]

Found it

Ty god

[serene basin]

If our ramp wasn't so damn big, it'd be okay

[twin wing]

Let me go print it

[balmy condor]

Isn’t this just

The same thing as earlier

But in dark mode

[serene basin]

Once you go dark you never go back

[misty holly]

Dark mode does make things 20% better.

[fallow acorn]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SoftRealFlamingoPanicVis-liy5Ef-wC40giIUF

[serene basin]

Lmao

This is so sad

[misty holly]

Outlaw 600k dps, Sin 295k - Sin gets the nerf next week.

typical wow

[balmy condor]

I mean easy solution is just get in combat with the saurids

This isn’t groundbreaking

[raven egret]

I mean aside they dont live long at all, spatter one and FoK em all

[fallow acorn]

nobody said it was groundbreaking but probably good to be aware of

[twin wing]

I didnt see it tbh

Didnt understand it, all I was seeing was drops

[balmy condor]

I guess if I’m ever in a situation where my demon hunter is opening on a pack of mobs weirdly I’ll make sure to get in combat with the mobs I’m hitting

(I will forget, this never happens)

[fallow acorn]

k 👍

[balmy condor]

Cool bug but like

Just don’t be stupid lmao

[fallen raven]

too hard

[keen pecan]

oof that's rough

[balmy condor]

The same thing happens with any imprison cc’s btw

Always has even with old carnage

It won’t cleave the mobs if they’re under like blind/sap/imprison/etc

This one’s just giga weird cause the damage dealt from the other members should’ve broken them

But at the start he’s just slamming a garrote into a feared mob with no one around

That would never work

[raven egret]

I tried a M+ with the CT less build. Felt weird.

but it works, somehow

[keen pecan]

does that include silence?

[balmy condor]

No

[keen pecan]

oh 😦

[balmy condor]

Silence is not an imprisonment cc

Idk what the correct term for it is

[keen pecan]

like hard CC?

[balmy condor]

Stasis?

Nah, hard cc would include stuns

[keen pecan]

tru

[balmy condor]

Disorients?

Idk

[keen pecan]

[gusty mirage]

fear sigil takes forever to break too

unluigi

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s the reason why it looks so funky

If that were an aoe blind

No issues

Would insta break

And no one would care

[split flame]

so is the blazefury medallion any good for assas or is it jsut for outlaw?

[balmy condor]

Pins

[split flame]

gotcha

[steel saddle]

Can anyone paste their shadow step kingsbane macro combination?

*dance

[balmy condor]

/cast shadow dance
/cast kingsbane

[slim pebble]

I don’t believe you

[balmy condor]

I know

It’s a really advanced macro

Most can’t possibly begin to comprehend it

[shell quail]

I'm new, is this worth playing for fun, or is it a total meme?

[placid kraken]

God I can't wait to be out of Spiteful week

[gilded oasis]

Im always spiteful

[runic hinge]

Is branch just impossible to see in raid or is that just me

[gilded oasis]

only time I have trouble is when 4 of us pop branch and I dont know whose is whose

[wide whale]

how much are you guys bursting to, on your opener (ie, after KB dies off) on a training dummy?

[gilded oasis]

but mostly I just move one way then the other till I head a water drop then stop

[runic hinge]

I feel like im just under the boss and can't see them

maybe I just should practice it a bit more

[gilded oasis]

backup

tbh most times im lazy and just let them all hit me whenever they do natty

[runic hinge]

I got it from a key like 3 hours before raid today and didn't bother to practice

[gilded oasis]

yeah practice also helps

brosefs branch WA helps too

[runic hinge]

Yeah, I grabbed that

[gilded oasis]

makes water sounds

[runic hinge]

And it

[fleet pagoda]

so uh... i had a log invalidated for receiving "excessive external buffs". what is that line, exactly? lol

[gilded oasis]

you got too many PIs

[runic hinge]

just makes 3 water sounds in a row lol

[gilded oasis]

ya then you picked them all up at the same time

[fleet pagoda]

like PI's stacking or something, or too much uptime?

[gilded oasis]

just pop it and move right or left till you get one then you can let the rest hit you

you can like move 2 steps to the side again to extend after 2 if you want

[placid kraken]

I swear the first =<16 Fall I do will drop the dagger and I will tilt off the face of this earth. So I am stuck in LFG refresh prison

[gilded oasis]

if you have PI more than 15 (?) seconds every 2 mins or like fight length/2min whatever theres some number then its too many. basically if you have more than 1 priest PI you

[runic hinge]

I know, I'm doing it badly. Ashes is just way more comfy to use

[gilded oasis]

its just practice!

I do it badly often but it still works out most times

[fleet pagoda]

ty ty

[burnt venture]

Whispyr could confirm but I think grabbing all 3 orbs of branch immediately is only like 1.5% less dps than 1/1/7

[runic hinge]

Something like that

[burnt venture]

Something like that. Lower than you’d think to grab all 3 quick

[gilded oasis]

or just delay the branch 1 second and pick them all up so it still covers

ez

[runic hinge]

I think even if I do 1/1/4 its same dps so maybe not worry too much about the kiting

[gilded oasis]

ya I think easiest (other than standing still) is going to one of the side ones then waiting for the rest to come in

[burnt venture]

Where is the coveted orb paint drawing

Lol

[runic hinge]

I probably just needed to actually see it in action before i just went into raid and was like "where ball"

[gilded oasis]

Lol

NAH

just let Stuart play

[burnt venture]

!branch

[gilded oasis]

!ballz

[runic hinge]

He was mega grumpy today, had to have my mic muted all of raid

[burnt venture]

!orbs

[gilded oasis]

Lol same Stuart same

[runic hinge]

Well, more than half

[gilded oasis]

!WhispyrStinks

damn none of these are working

[burnt venture]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[balmy condor]

It’s worth playing if you’re interested in playing the worst possible build possible given the talent tree

There is no build that sims lower

[topaz horizon]

I just pop branch and forget about min maxing the orbs

[gilded oasis]

sometimes I like to pop branch then run away so I get no balls cause boss left

that one is fun

[balmy condor]

[gilded oasis]

dont huh me

[balmy condor]

Just pick them up

[gilded oasis]

NO

[topaz horizon]

Baiting puddles on Larry and popping branch, orbs

9/10 I just let them come to me

[tardy trellis]

Just never get branch so you don't have to look out for orbs..

[runic hinge]

Got a hero track one in my 18th EB

[topaz horizon]

You guys didn’t get it in your week one vault

[gilded oasis]

no I got it by suffering through pug 18 & 19s

[topaz horizon]

I had to do some suffering in GF, after the 2nd week I had 30runs and no dagger then I got one in my vault and 4 falls later got my 2nd

[burnt venture]

Bruh it took me like 32 blooms

[frosty bolt]

on 28 runs for nick of time. got branch on 5th run. win some lose some i guess

[runic hinge]

I have 1 champ level dagger in 16 GF's but I'm not trying to no life keys so I don't hate the season too early

[frosty bolt]

im 90% there

[topaz horizon]

Very true branch took one run to get

[opaque vale]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[wide whale]

are ya'll playing the arterial shock build in higher keys?

[stark heart]

@balmy condor Is assassination rogue still valid in raid after nerfs? Or sub is now stronger

[balmy condor]

I was on a phone and it wrote double msg xD stop this nonsense haha

[real stirrup]

I have been since the changes first started. Blindeside proccs for me feel very nice

[wide whale]

what are you bursting to with your opener, on a dummy?

roughly

[strange python]

I feel like im doing something wrong or missing some key part of stacking KB. I see Assa rogues doing 1mil on the pull no lust, and Im out here doing 400-500k like im competing for second to last.

[static fable]

does any1 have a good branch WA?

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[strange python]

LE has a great one

check LE's profile section

[static fable]

Thanks!

[keen spruce]

[hollow olive]

And here I am, getting 2 nicks in like 5 falls

[cunning needle]

[gaunt sigil]

With nerfs to blindside procs do you think Tight spender>Improved ambush?

Probably not right?

[lyric grail]

what trinkets are u guys farming out of dungeon for raiding ? i farmed branch alrdy and thinking of hourglass vs tot mastery trinket?

[small garnet]

Do you guys use any additional weakaura for tracking kingsbane

[outer cairn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[outer cairn]

check LE

[wide sand]

yeah, LE's is great with markers for TT, Shiv and Vanish

[grim jay]

I dont really see the value tbf

I have one but I never look at it

[ionic matrix]

to track the cd and duration, yes, but once I hit the button, there is only one goal, spam evisc so I don't know that having a timer even really helps

[lyric heron]

Is there a good/best practice place to put on use trinkets in a macro?

played a lot of sub/outlaw never assi

read up but lots of macros old for pre 10.2 and ive been away a while

[ionic matrix]

on your deathmark

[lyric heron]

THanks @ionic matrix

and just /use 13 /use 14 for both on use?

[wide sand]

Embersoul you want to use 2-3s after KB (so its still running when KB runs out)

[ionic matrix]

or /cast "name of trinket"

either works iirc

[lyric heron]

ah kk THANKS appreciated

[wide sand]

cant use both in a single macro

[lyric heron]

gotcha

thats why it wasnt working ok

i have mirror and witherbark

[ionic matrix]

one will put the other on cd and the duration of the cd is dependent on the trinket

dont ask me why

[wide sand]

cause Blizzurd 😄

[lyric heron]

oh right...i remember that from SL when i played last

ya the gap

so pick best one for macro there

ok ill tinker thanks all

[ionic matrix]

what other trinkets do you you have

2 on use is usually not great for assassination since all of our damage is in a 15 second window

[lyric heron]

all the m+ Coiled/Sandglass

kk so use one of those equip

[ionic matrix]

sandglass is GIGA

[wide sand]

yeah

[lyric heron]

kk

[wide sand]

use sandglass and branch

[lyric heron]

sandglass and branch

kk got it

[ionic matrix]

yuhp

[earnest remnant]

im an signet + embersoul enjoyer

[lyric heron]

nice 😄

[ionic matrix]

nothing wrong with that stealthi

I branch signet

but branch is sooooo bad at short fights

[lyric heron]

ah good to know

[ionic matrix]

that I wish I had sandglass

[earnest remnant]

not getting me to use branch for this

[ionic matrix]

yeah no fucking way

[quiet oar]

branch is cringe

[lyric heron]

haha

kk

ill sim what i have

[ionic matrix]

branch isnt too bad

[lyric heron]

i have all hte m+ trinkets

[ionic matrix]

but for 300 dps

I DUNNO

[wide sand]

i prefer branch because i can just macro it to DM 😄

[lyric heron]

hmm kk

ya the macro is nice while im learning the rotation and pooling of assi

can forget about it 😄

[warped willow]

hey sorry for the quick random question, but does anyone have the spellid of the duplicated bleeds from deathmark? i wanna blacklist them on plater

[obtuse ruin]

Wait that’s actually a good idea

[ionic matrix]

sent you detailed DM on trinkets

[lyric heron]

Thx appreciated

[raven egret]

Buff settings - just places '2' above during deathmark instead of duplicating

[raven egret]

wait its not even a mod - in buff settings

[warped willow]

oh sick

tyvm

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[junior yoke]

⏳

[willow kite]

Do you usually send ashes with kingsbane, or do you manually time it a few seconds in?

[earnest remnant]

manually

[willow kite]

Mmm

I've got hc ashes, and I've been seriously contemplating switching as well

The amount of situations where branch just fucks you is zzzz

Or when it's not possible to safely pick up properly

Or tanks move shit

Etc

[thorny aurora]

hey, on logs, whats a kingsbane "hit"? I understand the ticks are the dot but I don't get what the hit is

[quiet oar]

Its probsbly the Application?

[rotund oak]

the initial hit KB does

it does a single hit and then applies its effect

[thorny aurora]

ok thanks!

[rotund oak]

you are welcome friend

[keen gulch]

Is assa after the nerv still stronger than sub?

[rotund oak]

the nerf comes after reset bro

we dont know

[fathom citrus]

Quick question, am I doing something wrong or is assa aoe bad without 4 set?

[rotund oak]

could be alot of things.Maybe log something and post it here,many ppl can help/find out

[valid shadow]

I can do like 220k dps without cds for m+ aoe pulls ilvl 455 not to bad compared to other people I see

Assa pulls ahead on bosses and utility I would say

The nerfs are not gonna do to much for most people playing this spec I would say

[royal lantern]

4set makes it better, but it does good aoe without it aswell

the biggest "problem" is that your aoe as assa is backloaded

[fathom citrus]

Then I'm definitely doing something wrong

[royal lantern]

so you have people burst the shit out if the Packs, aka DH/BM, and by the time your aoe starts, stuff is at 20% hp and dies

[fathom citrus]

Did a throne 19 yesterday and only did about 100k DPS overall. Other DPS were fury and demo

[rotund oak]

demo blasts but in all,it can be many things

kinda bad to hypothesize without knowing

[fathom citrus]

I will upload the logs and post it here

[static glacier]

my guess would be you chose poor targets for kingsbane

[rotund oak]

but ye,in low keys u cant expect to do much,sin is a bleed specc

the higher the key goes the more sin shines

[low turret]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1180129404031082546/dagger.webp

[fathom citrus]

I myself don't consider a 19 low. I'm not that into m+

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jJRZXwcH4Yd2CL8n#fight=last

Here is the log. Any tips would be appreciated

[valid shadow]

You running arterial precision?

[thorny aurora]

m+ logs are quite hard to analyse but based on what you're doing at the beginning of the key you should check the wowhead guide again and check the aoe opener

[rotund oak]

only by watching the DH and the Lock i think there is not much to say.Odds are u didnt even restealth enough to properly utilize IC

[fathom citrus]

Yes

[grim jay]

Bro stop

Dont

[fathom citrus]

Yeah it's quite hard to restealth sometimes with spiteful

[thorny aurora]

ok so you have basic cooldown usage issues