assassination

[balmy condor]

pls dont

there's enough m+ builds

[rotund oak]

🔥

whispyr doesnt want to be reckognized as being a part of it

the humble man

[royal lantern]

let it do dmg only with rupture spread

high mastery for dmg

[arctic hare]

oh HELL yes

I'd use it, at least once.

[rotund oak]

thats more cursed than @clever sapphire

[earnest remnant]

im gonna play Assa on Tindral tonight, and im gonna play Ashes

im gonna gaslight people

saying that you told me it was better

im an agent of chaos

[royal lantern]

and then do what the outlaw bigbrains did with their shity "sublaw" name, and call it "subsination" or smth like that

do it raccon boy

[balmy condor]

I’d hope my multiple rants about ashes has gotten through to people at this point

[earnest remnant]

nah

there was a guy asking about haste in nibrens chat earlier

asking about how much haste he should get

[balmy condor]

For fucks sake

[earnest remnant]

and going below 20% made his energy gen feel like shit

[junior pulsar]

Have the nerfed ozumat to deflate numbers? didnt do much dmg in the increased phase

[balmy condor]

They’re not gonna do that

[sonic oak]

Does anyone know if they changed something about sudden demise?
It feels inconsistent, I just Deathmarked a boss with full duration bleeds when he was dropping low to test it and it didnt even proc and he died

[bleak plume]

is the dagger a myth?

[crisp pine]

Imagine thinking you'd get the dagger after only 32 runs lol

[earnest remnant]

imagine not having 2 after 5 runs

[crisp pine]

Imagine rolling Avoidance on all of your gear so the dagger drop avoids you

[bleak plume]

6% drop on dagger, i have 6% avoidance, coincidence???

[wraith cosmos]

imagine farming the dagger and not the trinket

[bleak plume]

i got 4 trinkets already

[light jacinth]

imagine not boxing 1

[earnest remnant]

where is your mythic ashes and signet

[grim jay]

wdym

[light jacinth]

look man

we've had no signets

and 1 ashes

[earnest remnant]

[light jacinth]

yer i wont get a mythic ashes for a while

we actually distribute loot

😭

[earnest remnant]

i have the trinkets

[light jacinth]

but ashes is bad

[earnest remnant]

just to bad that im still only 479 equipped

[light jacinth]

[earnest remnant]

since no other leather pieces wanna drop

[marble hemlock]

what if it were a name that would dab on scana?

[wraith cosmos]

my harlan's dice would like to have a word with you

[marble hemlock]

🐀

@lethal heart i formally apologize for ever calling you an overgeared rat again

stealthi has that title now

[earnest remnant]

im not overgeared tho

[marble hemlock]

🐀

[earnest remnant]

im 479

[frigid cedar]

hi, is ther any smart macro for multilate/ambush proc thingy

[balmy condor]

The game does that automatically already

[frigid cedar]

it doesnt for me for some reoson hmmm

[marble hemlock]

are you using a /cast mutilate /startattack macro per chance?

[frigid cedar]

#showtooltip Mutilate
/startattack
/cast Mutilate

i do

[marble hemlock]

well yeah

[frigid cedar]

i have to remove that then?

[marble hemlock]

if you use the spellbook mut

[frigid cedar]

and play macroless? XD

[marble hemlock]

it should work

iirc

[balmy condor]

No

[lethal heart]

[balmy condor]

Spellbook mutilate gets overwritten

The only way to avoid casting ambush when you get a blindside proc is by cancelaura’ing the blindside buff

It is physically impossible to cast a mutilate while you have the buff

Mutilate is fully replaced

[marble hemlock]

ive used mutilate without consuming blindside, like, 99,9% sure

[frigid cedar]

ah so its just better to play two seperate buttons anyway if you want to keep caustic

[balmy condor]

Not in 10.2 you haven’t

[balmy condor]

Caustic procs off ambush

[frigid cedar]

hmmmm, i see

[marble hemlock]

well im wrong then ig

[balmy condor]

You should put ambush on your stealth bar where mutilate is

[marble hemlock]

i just kept pressing my mutilate and still had ambush proc glows, so myabe i got lucky back to back procs

[balmy condor]

And then just smash the button

[marble hemlock]

or im special

[frigid cedar]

ahhhhhhhhh i see now

[lethal heart]

why not both

[frigid cedar]

thanks Whispyr

[lethal heart]

@marble hemlock

[marble hemlock]

i think im special

[frigid cedar]

took me some time to understand xD

[lethal heart]

[rotund oak]

For smolderon we dont rly keep cds for orbs dont we

we just send

[marble hemlock]

ye

send on CD

if youre lucky, you can get an autumn after the BL phase

and if you pick orbs early in BL intermission, and very late in the last one

you can get both DMs into orbs that way

but its... iffy

[rotund oak]

im thinking to migrate or faction change to inv me to ur awesome guild 😄

[marble hemlock]

my guild aint awesome brother

took us an hour to rekill larodar

[rotund oak]

yes but but

😄

[regal sable]

if seli is in the guild it must be awesome

https://tenor.com/bFnaI.gif

[rotund oak]

seli is goated

10/10

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

Downhill after Vaughn tbh

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

[lethal heart]

ask oxi what he thinks about our raids

[marble hemlock]

ye

id raid in project if i could

ngl

or arctic avengers

[lofty junco]

yay.....https://i.imgur.com/RHyMm3j.png

[rotund oak]

oxi plays a hpally right?

[balmy condor]

The trick is, if your application expires

[lethal heart]

@gusty mirage

[balmy condor]

You can’t get invited

[royal lantern]

hes a

sorry for taking these words in my mouth

sub enjoyer rn

[quiet oar]

[quiet oar]

[rotund oak]

we had this conversation about jumping on the sub train,ill probably follow as well

will see how sin looks after the reset

most likely will need sub in smolderon anyway

[lofty junco]

https://tenor.com/view/the-maze-runner-maze-runner-gifs-fire-torch-pyre-gif-10022084

on the pyre with him^^

[quiet oar]

You jump at every opportunity to the next Best Thing

[royal lantern]

idk man, im doing fine as assa there

y'all should stop rerolling and instead dodge the tornados

[earnest remnant]

where do you raid now?

[lethal heart]

project

since sanctum farm

[earnest remnant]

nice project is solid

[rotund oak]

Played all rogue specs since original vanilla multiple times.Idk how is that a bad thing.Maybe u should open ur mind a bit,just sayin.

[rotund oak]

its not about rollin' something else im still a rogue,i just wanna reach a state i was some years ago.Im just a shadow of the rogue i was rly

plus i want to join a better guild most likely

[quiet oar]

Sap cant even take a joke without turning it into a life lesson

[rotund oak]

thats what u get by rogues with alot more experience than u as a rogue man 🙂

[royal lantern]

no

multi spec is cringe

do you wanna be cringe?

[earnest remnant]

what if i just enjoy faster progress?

[rotund oak]

[earnest remnant]

and i dont really care about which spec i play for that

[royal lantern]

for you, everything is ok

[icy acorn]

a chad doesnt care what others think

[abstract rivet]

Quick question with the 15% nerf on kb will it move closer to the other specs now especially within rouge itself or still dominate hard?

[rotund oak]

he's a smart man,few have the mindset stealthi has

[royal lantern]

they where allready close togheter

lol

sub was allready argurably better for the last 3 bosses

[royal lantern]

i mean, im "ok" with stealthi, cus he actually plays on a level where shit matters lol

if some random guy shows up beeing like "do i need too play X spec for heroic fyraak??????", my toenails just curl

[icy acorn]

do i need to play x spec for heroic fyraak??????

[rotund oak]

but outside the highest competitive scene which u dont rly accept everyone else sucks right?

makes sense 😉

[royal lantern]

bm/havoc or gtfo 👉 🚪

how do you even dare thinking something else

[icy acorn]

[royal lantern]

as a punishment, you need too read trought random selected wowhead comments

[quiet oar]

[lime crypt]

ofc not lol

[royal lantern]

mate

it was sarcasm

[quiet oar]

No i dont think so

If your comb isnt 14 dps 50/50 DH and BM

You are doing it wrong

[rotund oak]

if only 😄

[lofty nymph]

Best way to play branch trinket?

[neon hound]

1 1 7

[wispy apex]

If there are more than 5 targets, do you open with 3x garrote instead of 2x?

[crisp compass]

Idk bro I just do what hekili tells me to do and hope for the best

[royal lantern]

pls

for the love of god

dont use hekili

[clever sapphire]

if there are 6 targets i open with 2 garrotes

[gusty mirage]

[lethal heart]

[crisp compass]

Hekili is life

[bleak sky]

Never

[astral cypress]

anyone knows how the upcoming nerf will affect the current build?

[winged sun]

pins

explains it i think

[astral cypress]

thanks!

[winged sun]

np

[clever sapphire]

assa unplayable now

reroll outlaw

spam that channel with questions

[winged sun]

yea uninstall game

[clever sapphire]

profit

[astral cypress]

why is the rogue community so toxic? it is just a basic question

[clever sapphire]

oh im just memeing cause it gets asked every 20 minutes

[daring root]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[astral cypress]

I just forgot about the pins because I‘m currently on mobile and they are hidden in the community tab 😅

[scenic nacelle]

[upper spear]

we're not you're just soft

(we are also known for gaslighting)

[astral cypress]

yay what a joy…

[lyric grail]

anyone got a weakaura addon which counts amount of runs u do for a item?

[upper spear]

i use empty beer bottle cases

[lime crypt]

funny thing about this... I cant count

[lyric grail]

can u link pls

[clever sapphire]

well me neither

so i just assume its 6 every time

works 50% of the time

because its either 6 targets or its not

[lime crypt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[lime crypt]

is someone using LE's group? i have some qustions

[tawny geyser]

Any difference in talents between Tyrannical and Fortified?
Do we keep Blindside for both?

[lyric grail]

addon or wa? link pls

[lime crypt]

bro

its real life item

that he drinks everytime when he doesnt get what he wants ingame

beer

[limber lion]

@slate crown

[ember obsidian]

yo guys question for raid how do you play after your burst phase? do you conserve 150 energy all the time to take advantage of sanguine blades or do you spend your energy consistantly?

[limber lion]

You pool and chain Envenoms for the 4p effect.

[lime crypt]

i was told to never play around sanguine blades if you have 4set

[limber lion]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[tropic tundra]

^

[ember obsidian]

thx guys^^

[shy meteor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[toxic whale]

how do we use thebranch trinket? run away from the spheres or just take all of them at the start?

[bitter solar]

Take 2 and kite the 3rd and pick it up before the end

[shy meteor]

just curious why do plater profiles track amplifying and deadly poison ?

[limber lion]

Because you need both, a Garrote or a Rupture, and a lethal poison a target to proc Venomous Wounds

If you just Garrote and Rupture everything, you won't get any energy back unless you also have poisons on them

[shy meteor]

ah gotcha thanks

just trying to clean up my plater profile

[velvet ridge]

yeah but... information overload is a thing

im never like, oop a need to apply a poison to this guy

its worhtless information IMO

[limber lion]

It sure is, that's why you blacklist all the useless stuff

And the poisons are definitely not useless

Especially on 2 targets, happens all the time where the secondary target does not have poisons on them

And previously on 3 targets as well, back when we still used Mutilate on 3 and FoK only on 4+

[velvet ridge]

like fyrakk golem part

where you cleave, but dont focus the other one

[jaunty lotus]

I tried sin on a 16 everbloom for the first time, is it normal that it feels terrible because trash dies mid KB?

[shy meteor]

low keys die a tone mid kb

i still have issues with it on 20s since i run with an unholy

[velvet ridge]

yeah, i recommend skipping 16s, go straight to 23s

[jaunty lotus]

Not going to jump straight on 20+ when trying the spec in m+ the first time

And another question: should sudden demise be higher on a lower key? It was only 5.9% of the damage

But I didnt' notice mobs exploding much

[velvet ridge]

could be that you hit that sweet spot of mobs dieing when your bleeds are running out, so that bleed cap is really low

[jaunty lotus]

Huh, max hit of it was 1.6M though, that's funny

Reapplying bleeds mid pack feels terrible

especially at the end of the pack

[lime crypt]

lord forgive me for i have ssined

created the biggest abomination of a weakaura thats mixed of LE, whispyr and luxthos

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/958064229833900042.webp?size=48&name=Deadge&quality=lossless

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-awake-get-up-tired-tired-af-gif-18737412

[lime crypt]

mr lisonna

[slate crown]

do I need to fix something

[lime crypt]

no its just that i imported pack into the game and it glows at me in different ways

for example, whats the reason why kingsbane glows blue at the end?

[slate crown]

I mean the obvious reason is to vanish with master assassin

But uh

It does it regardless of deathmark being on the target

Which isn't ideal, the Kingsbane Icon itself is a bit outdated but I've been focusing on the timeline, I now hardly look at the kingsbane icon personally other than tracking its cooldown with it

The Timeline has taken over what the Icon originally sought out to do

Icon was made like a month before I even started the timeline

[lime crypt]

right, so i gotta import the timeline

[slate crown]

I mean you don't have to

[lime crypt]

the timeline basically tells you to use tea, shiv and ambush at proper times, ye?

[slate crown]

But the timeline certainly conveys more information than the icon, the icon still gives you the KB CD though which the timeline doesn't

[neat horizon]

What do you guys use on the first pack of WM ?

KB DM ? or nothing at all?

or do i split KB and DM the next one ?

[lime crypt]

i definetely didnt steal your icons and slapped them onto something else

[neat horizon]

the ghosts

[lime crypt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/958064229833900042.webp?size=48&name=Deadge&quality=lossless

[slate crown]

It has tick marks for A) When shadow Dance Ends, and B) For Vanish, Shiv, Tea, and Ashes, which can be shifted around in custom options, the default placements being what are recommended by sims/guides currently

[lime crypt]

the subtle red glow on kingsbane basically just tells me that its ready ye?

[lime crypt]

right, i remember seeing it

[slate crown]

I don't know, I just know that on this pack every time I've tried something it always seems to be the the wrong choice

[lime crypt]

and there were like different ticks on the timeline and i was hella confused that each tick meant

but i reckon its meant to be used for people that have watched whispyr video, that talks about that weakaura, ye?

[slate crown]

Like I'll hold my CDs because the hunter will nuke the first room, saving DM for the Witch in the first hall way. Oh, witch isn't there this week? Too bad! Oh, tank only pulls 2 enemies in the first hallway at once? too bad!

[slate crown]

The kingsbane Icon has a Pixel Glow, which gives you information about Envenom. Red = No envenom, Orange = Envenom, but 2sec remaining, Green = Envenom, greater than 2sec remaining

The kingsbane icon itself has a Wago page which has more info

[neat horizon]

Yeah exactly, it feels super bad and it throws me way too far behind

i was thinking that maybe i shadowdance kingsbane start

then deathmark whatever the tank pulls next

[slate crown]

In the Kingsbane Timeline, you can go to the Custom Options page and scroll down to the Extra Tick Visuals and enable an Icon next to each tick, if you aren't sure what each means or if you have trouble seeing the colors.

[lime crypt]

will do, also what about crimson tempest? is there a reason behind it glowing on a singletarget? i reckon we dont use crimson on ST, ye?

[slate crown]

It's meant to be used by anyone that wants a visual representation of Kingsbane as a timeline, which helps me personally. I think it helps me internalize the timings because not only does it tell me when the cooldowns come, it lets me remember and plan my next 4-5 GCDs rather than just reacting to a glow, I'm proactively preparing myself

[slate crown]

Yeah that's one of those things where it should glow in multi target only, but that's not ideal to implement in a WA

Then they broke the range checker anyways

So it isn't going to work now, and the glow just says if it's missing

And now they're going to revert that range checker change but it's not out yet

So I'll probably go back to both Caustic and CT and add a range check for the glow to only happen in appropriate situations

Just can't yet

[lime crypt]

Okay okay

Thank you sir

[slate crown]

Problem with this is hunters and DH exist. The next pull often is too early to use DM on, I think the first section of waycrest sucks for us imo, I've only had bad cd planning experiences there, not a fan. After the first boss and you get into the courtyard it feels better for the rest

[lime crypt]

At first it was hella overwhelming to see bunch of stuff glowing, didn't know what the dots were on the energy bar n such, but after slowly dissecting the weakaura, most of the things I came to understand

[slate crown]

Yeah honestly my pack isn't 100% obvious, it leverages a lot of tools weakauras offers that I don't see other packs use often, or leveraging clever tricks I've learned over the years, along with a hefty amount of custom stuff (though not the extent Luxthos does, which basically overrides some Weakauras functionality to break (safely) the addon in ways to make theirs work). It isn't 100% obvious what everything means at first so probably not the best first-pack for someone to use

And it's just what I use personally

But if it conveys the information to me, it's possible it can for others, and if people like that, then I think that's great, and if not, hopefully some of my concepts can be useful to others if not all of it

[ornate aspen]

Is IC's radius for additional garrote applications centered on your initial target or your character?

[mighty elm]

Targ

[potent spoke]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[ornate aspen]

ty

[slate crown]

Glad to help out, feel free to ask questions any time

[dusk sun]

Sweet setup, where can i find it

[lime crypt]

you cant

i just made it

by stealing LE's ones

and putting them on luxthos

XD

[dusk sun]

[slate crown]

Also this is fine, lots of people have and will. I try hard to make my auras modular so people can do this. This primarily means A) Not making utility auras with Globals and B) Avoiding Groups when the aura I want to make can be a single aura. Groups I only use when I actually want multiple concepts clustered together, and not something I use to stitch together multiple components into the same aura. The reason for this is that Groups cannot be placed into Dynamic groups, and if someone takes an icon of mine and wants it in their dynamic group, I want them to be able to do that

Making singular auras instead of groups can be tricky sometimes but once you unlock the understanding of TSU it becomes much easier

[rotund oak]

@balmy condor sir,we dont rly care to emp rupture into our dance window right?(for ST)or we should

[slate crown]

y u ping

[rotund oak]

im finding hard to keep envenom buff and emp rupture

[slate crown]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[rotund oak]

ive read it 10 times

[slate crown]

Basically yes if you can, but otherwise no, don't need to overwrite a long rupture

Do it if rupture is in pandemic

otherwise focus on envenom

Or if you want to you can

Doesn't really matter

[rotund oak]

yeah thought so,ive tried like 3 20min circles on a dummy

[slate crown]

I just don't personally

[rotund oak]

like most of them i had my envenom buff falling or marginally being refreshed

[slate crown]

I just use envenom

and only rupture if it's in pandemic

Though, most of the time, it isn't during KB honestly

sometimes it is but most cases it isn't anecdotally

[dusk palm]

I Tricks and garrotte silence the right scar mobs to the tank and have them pull into witch. Then I KB the witch

[lime crypt]

btw do we care if we kingsbane without envenom buff already active? or do we want envenom buff to be on the target before we kingsbane?
same goes for aoe scenario, do we kingsbane without caustic being already active? Or is it okay to put causting right after kingsbane?

[rotund oak]

ive tried refreshing it just before dance drops but its kinda rng with cps

ild rather focus on envenom

but i need trinkets F me

anyway thx

[latent gazelle]

you want enven buff active

[slate crown]

Envenom is a buff on your player not on target

[rotund oak]

envenom is a buff 🙂

[dusk palm]

Honestly In 0 comms groups with pugs, play outlaw. Sin shines with organized play in keys

[latent gazelle]

sin is perfectly fine in rando pugs

[rotund oak]

its not in low keys though

stuff dies 2 secs into ur shiv

[slate crown]

I don't have too much difficulty in pugs in general, it's just WCM first section that annoys me

[rotund oak]

so no dmg

[latent gazelle]

run a no CT build in lowbies?

[dusk palm]

I have a 100k dps differential depending on whether the tank pulls a big mob for me to feed

[rotund oak]

like no thx

ild rather go sub or outlaw

[latent gazelle]

never had a problem tbh. just blast bosses if trash is dieing to fast

[dusk palm]

Like if you don’t pull the bear in first pull of DHT I do 350k instead of 1.4m

[lime crypt]

i just badly worded it
my point is, that we KB ONLY if we have envenom buff, ye? never before, correct?
and in AoE scenario we want the enemy to be debuffed by Caustic, WHILE having envenom buff, and THEN we KB, correct?

[latent gazelle]

if you have a dh or BM your not gonna do much trash dmg anyways

[slate crown]

Yeah but in AOE things can be stressed and sometimes you want to send things early just because stuff is dying and you want stuff rolling. I'll sometimes send an improperly prepped KB just to get it out

[dusk palm]

This isn’t true.

[rotund oak]

u should have envenom buff yes before u KB,the rotation is clear.... mut=>envenom into DM/shiv into dance kb/gar

[lime crypt]

right okay thank you

[dusk palm]

Get up to somewhere between 22 and 28 Fort with a tank pulling around you and you can do more than a BM. No one is touching a good havoc atm though

[rotund oak]

for the 2nd part ''aoe'' part i dont rly care tbh,picking a target and sending my cds according to my rotation

works everytime

[lime crypt]

cuz its like 10 GCDs before you even use kingsbane on 6 target scenario

which is mostly the moment where mobs are almost close to dying on sub 20s

[rotund oak]

thats why sin isnt optimal for low keys

[worn monolith]

so one of the main issues im having in m+, is I seem to, at times, run right out of energy, while at other times, i'm oveflowing. Is there some common, overlooked cause for this? Just not enough bleeds up on targets or something?

[rotund oak]

it jsut doesnt have time to ramp

[lime crypt]

i mean

[latent gazelle]

95%+ of the player isnt doing this high of a key so kinda invalid

[dusk palm]

its week three of the season and the first 30s are about to be run. I'm 2 chesting 22s and 23s pressing W. group damage is insanely high

[lime crypt]

what would be non KB opener then? 2 garrote ->snd -> fok -> 4cp+ -> rupture -> fok -> 4cp -> rupture -> fok-> 4cp+ -> crimson tempest and trhen we hope trash dies, before you have to reapply?

cuz you mostly wanna keep vanish for next pack, cuz the shades wont let you restelath, ye?

[latent gazelle]

p sure the guides have that

[dusk palm]

you can spam stealth to restealth if you bolster kill the pack, even if a shade is about to target you. non KB, you'll still have SND for the entire dungeon, but if you end up out of stealth, I go garrote, fok, rupture, fok rupture, fok rupture, mut/envenom spam

[limber lion]

In lower keys, I would personally skip the Slice in the beginning there and just get CT up asap followed by Ruptures during the IC window

And then Slice after that or with the excess points from the pack

If the pack dies in 8s, it's better to get your garrotes/ct/rup up for Sudden Demise procs

And then just maintain Slice with excess CP and Envenoms after the fact

[dusk palm]

unless you die, you will have SND all dungeon from a single cast

[limber lion]

Yup

[lime crypt]

where did you find this? in rotation section i see only rotation with KB o.o

[latent gazelle]

in aoe rotation opener

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[lime crypt]

this is what i see

[latent gazelle]

click the x by 4-6 and 7+

[lime crypt]

ah

so your point is

[latent gazelle]

wowhead should prolly have a diff check mark option as that x can be misleading as you cant really tell u can click it

[lime crypt]

no i thought you found non kb rotation

[latent gazelle]

very seriously doubt there is a rotation without KB as sin 99.99999999999% of the time takes it

[lime crypt]

so what you are saying is, if i know that the pack is gonna get giga destroyed by DH or BM hunter, then i should just follow what the rotation thingy says, BUT completely skip on the part where I use KB and deathmark

[latent gazelle]

from my experience. not using DM or KB on CD hasnt hurt my overall very much. especially if u dont get full use of it.

[lime crypt]

its not talent issue, ofc im specced into it, but its just not worth using if i know the pack gets blasted, so i wanted to know rotation where i dont use it and keep it for the next pack

[latent gazelle]

if a pack has a higher health champ mob then full send

[lime crypt]

somebody mentioned for example wcm

i should hold DM and KB for the warrior

[latent gazelle]

first pack in WM

[lime crypt]

to blast full KB

on the chunky warrior-type mob that has frontal

[latent gazelle]

sisters are good trash targets in there

[lime crypt]

oh the witches

[latent gazelle]

warriors are fine

the dinner bell mobs are fine

[velvet ridge]

wait are you THE SHIV, the person they named the ability after

[latent gazelle]

heh

nah. im just some rando rogue enjoyer

[hushed fable]

The rotation if you don't use KB is simple. You garrote up to 9 targets if available, rupture at least 5, fok-> CT-> apply spatter -> fok->envenom. Not a rocket science. Basically what you would do with KB and DM before envenoms.

[limber lion]

Yeah the priority is still the same, just without the cooldowns

[lime crypt]

if you know the mob live longer

do you use vanish to reapply?

[limber lion]

No

[kind talon]

and for caustic splatter are you just muti one time to keep it up in a large back? then go back to fanning?

[limber lion]

Yes, once every 10s

[lime crypt]

then are you garroting one and fan into rupture one mob and tab to different one?

[limber lion]

Just use vanish for either amping up and KB windows and reapplying at the same time, or to spread garrotes/ruptures on multiple targets

[lime crypt]

why did you say no then

[limber lion]

Because you asked "if you know the mob live logner"

refering to a single mob

you would not vanish on st

without kb'

[lime crypt]

irght

i meant mobs

mb

its prolly not gonna happen

but i realistically like to be prepared for everything lol

[kind talon]

some other silly questions since i have you here and thanks! new to sin rogue in m plus but seems like a blast. In your KB window with SD are you just redoing the opener of reapplying empowered garrotes and more ruptures through IC?

[limber lion]

yes you would reapply garries and ruppies with vanish

but at that point you should have used KB and DM as well

and combined KB + Vanish anyways

[lime crypt]

okay and about the current affixes, knowing that once the pack dies, you get ghosties and tank pulls next pack not giving you space to restealth

[limber lion]

Yes pretty much, just keep reapplying Garrote and Ruptures and CT.

[lime crypt]

you are down stealth and vanish

what do you do?

[left sundial]

pooling priority ? Envenom buff or dots more important

iam panicing

[lime crypt]

do you dance to reapply garrote with rupture into fast KB?

[limber lion]

If dots are in pandemic, you apply them, if not Envenom

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[lime crypt]

not reapply, but apply

[manic quartz]

Does assa have better burst than arcane mage?

[left sundial]

yes

without many biss items

larodar opening

[limber lion]

Yes you would Dance to snapshot KB and to spread bleeds, just like you normally would in AoE

[manic quartz]

our Evoker buffs our mage at the start of any boss because of their burst >_>

[slate crown]

Doesn't answer your question but just FYI if there's only one mob left on the pull and it dies, as the ghost is spawning you do drop combat for a moment, you can spam your stealth button and get into stealth before it spawns, then let the rest of the group handle the ghost if the tank is pulling the next pack

[limber lion]

!stealth

[lime crypt]

yeah i know that thanks, too bad that it usually doesnt happen

[limber lion]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[limber lion]

Would recommend reading that or watching the video

Basically, chainpulling and going fast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting stealth in every pack

[lime crypt]

what if you dont have dance, vanish or stealth in general and tank is chaining

[velvet ridge]

it still doesnt feeeeeeeeel fun though, like i lose 9 GCDs on a pack without stletah

[lime crypt]

what then

[manic quartz]

ruppies, why that sounds so off xD

[limber lion]

Doesn't change anything

You just do a normal rotation without them

[lime crypt]

imma ,watch it

[velvet ridge]

i may not lose dmg, but i lose a enjoyment, and thats what matters to me

[kind talon]

maybe another silly question but what is prio? im guessing rupture on 5 targets, crimson tempest, and then caustic? (mind you this is me thinking without like empowered garrotes up)

[manic quartz]

as a Troll should i macro berserking to KB or DM or does it matter like at all?

[latent gazelle]

get up enough bleeds to supply energy, put CT up. get spatter up. fok/env

[latent gazelle]

ah scratch that zerk is 3 min cd

[limber lion]

DM yeah

Or well anything really, doesn't matter that much

As long as you remember to press it

[latent gazelle]

macro it to both? so

it will always be used on cd

[atomic swallow]

sorry for the rather stupid question, do i pair kingsbane always with deathmark or squeeze in a kingsbane in between?

[limber lion]

Yeah sounds about right. You def want spatter up earlier though right after the garrotes because it's one mutilate instead of FoK and that's it

[limber lion]

One KB with just Dance + 2 Shiv's in between

[atomic swallow]

okay

thank you

[limber lion]

np

[atomic swallow]

onto the dummy training again

[limber lion]

Yup

[atomic swallow]

[limber lion]

I have hundreds of hours banked on the lovely dummy

[latent gazelle]

would be nice if they made a dummy that spat out random spells u have to move away from.

[limber lion]

That's called LFR

[latent gazelle]

nleh

Bleh*

[atomic swallow]

Yeah guess I have to do that as well, as healer you dont do such things

very cool specc so far

[lime crypt]

can you please tell me what is the normal rotation when you have no restealth options in a key, whenever tank pulls
6 mobs?

[limber lion]

Just spread garrotes/ruptures and maintain Spatter/CT as you normally would, just takes a bit longer

[lime crypt]

do you fok fok fok int oruptures on atleast 4 targets or whats idea

garrote is 6 sec cd wieh not in stealth

[limber lion]

Gar FoK Rup Muti FoK CT Gar FoK FoK Rup

[kindred epoch]

be a gigachad night elf and shadowmeld duh

[lime crypt]

so i assume you apply it only once?

[kindred epoch]

nightelf>anything

[limber lion]

Yes and again once it's off cooldown

you keep using it as much as possible off cd

[lime crypt]

as ive mentioned, if there were 6 mobs, would you recommend putting rupture on all of them before going into spatter/CT?

[jaunty warren]

What’s the range on caustic spatter for “nearby enemies “. My tests show it’s at least 5 yards ?

[kindred epoch]

also just rip a vanish if u need to, its a bigger dps gain to be able to spread your bleeds than to get a big tick of kingsbane lol

[kindred epoch]

nah

put it on the ones that have the most hp

waste of time to rupture everything

[limber lion]

I gave you an example rotation above

So no

[kindred epoch]

do it on 2-3, then CT, then start spamming envenoms

[limber lion]

10y

[jaunty warren]

Ty where did you find that written? Wowheads info says range is 0.

[kindred epoch]

this week is annoying asf for assa but honestly with smeld, vanish, and dance, you can still spread bleeds pretty consistently

[lime crypt]

can you ping me to where pls

i cant find it

[kindred epoch]

its not optimal play but its the best u can do with the damn ghosts

[limber lion]

It might not be written anywhere, but the dev himself said it's 10y.

[slim pebble]

Gonna slap these with an upgrade for sure

[kindred epoch]

@lime crypt

[limber lion]

@lime crypt

[lime crypt]

so as mentioned on 6 mobs scenario

you do this like 3x

on mobs with most health

and then you continue, ye?

[limber lion]

huh

I'm confused

[left sundial]

++++++

[limber lion]

You just use gar on cooldown

make sure to keep ct/spatter up

[kindred epoch]

ya just garrote one, rupture, mutilate for spatter, get 4+ cp, rupture another, get 4+cp, rupture another, garrote, ct, and continue with envenom chains

[limber lion]

and spread ruptures with fok -> rup

[fallen forge]

how tf do u guys manage witherbark if the boss is moved a lot

[kindred epoch]

you dont

you either dont press it with heavy movement coming

[limber lion]

You just pick em up on the way, it's not that bad

[kindred epoch]

or you press sprint and run for the bubbles asap

but u lose some uptime

still worth dps wise tho

[lime crypt]

you dont spatter when you know ull be using ur next couple of gcds for rupturing other targets, no?

[sturdy mesa]

kinda poggers right

[lime crypt]

like i can imagine you use mutilate for spatter AFTER you successfuly applied couple of ruptures, no?

feels like its a waste of gcd, when youll be targeting different mob anyways

[kindred epoch]

nah you still do, the ticks from deadly poison still splash

even if ur not targetting it

[limber lion]

Spatter is literally just mutilate instead of fok

You don't have to do any extra setup for it

Rupture up, mutilate once, that's it

[lime crypt]

so after you apply rupture on mob, you mutilate it for spatter and then tab to new mob, fok, rupture and mutilate again? and that you do on lets say 2 other mobs and then you do into full spatter + CT ->envenom chains?

[limber lion]

Probs get more combo points from the Mutilate anyways

No.....

You mutilate once

and that's it

Then you mutilate again in 10s

You do not mutilate every mob in existence

just one

[kindred epoch]

mutilate the first one to get the spatter going

[lime crypt]

hold on

[kindred epoch]

then mutilate again on the last target after ur done with the rupture spread

to start the envenom spam

[lime crypt]

isnt spatter debuff on target?

[latent gazelle]

1 target yes

[kindred epoch]

yea but it has a max of 1 target, it wont stay on all of them

so u just put it on the first guy

[lime crypt]

RIGHT

[kindred epoch]

to get the dmg going

then again on the last guy

[lime crypt]

it has a cap

[latent gazelle]

i feel like your overthinking this

[kindred epoch]

ya u only press it on the first guy to start ur spatter dmg

yea its pretty simple tbh

[manic quartz]

anyone who uses the updated notters kb weakaura, how many stacks you should get when doing your normal kb window on dummy without lust?

[kindred epoch]

u press it again after ur done spreading all ur bleeds on ur new target to start dumping actual envenoms into it

[latent gazelle]

varies

[amber stream]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[manic quartz]

getting 40+ usually

[limber lion]

Don't recommend looking too much into it

[lime crypt]

ofc iam, when i wasnt thinking i was 100k behind DH on overall in EB

[limber lion]

It's RNG

[kindred epoch]

if the dh is good you should be lmfao

[latent gazelle]

^^

you wont keep up with a good dh

[kindred epoch]

we dont have enough time in everbloom to spread all our bleeds

[wind abyss]

whats like a good build to run in like 20+ this week? just go with the standard hybrid m+ build?

[kindred epoch]

compared to dh going brr as soon as tank pulls

[manic quartz]

okay, ty!

[latent gazelle]

let DH kill the trash in EB. just smoke them on bosses

[kindred epoch]

ya and you mostly just funnel the annoying guys

like the noxious explosion one

the fire guy before 3rd boss

thats ur job in that key, absolutely fuck up the dangerous mobs while the dh takes care of the useless plants

[limber lion]

Yeah or the AP one. Or the utilitarian one. Or the AP with VR + Blindside one.

It's all down to preference

Also depends a bit on the dungeon as well

At the end of the day doesn't matter too too much honestly

Bloodmallet has good comparisons, take a look there

[latent gazelle]

#assassination message

link the builds on bloodmallet

its also pinned

[kindred epoch]

all the m+ builds sim super close to each other, variance is like 3%

comes down to preference

whatever u like best is good

i pmuch only play hybrid and im doing fine in 22-24 keys

[limber lion]

The Venom Rush + Blindside build is on the rise, because people didn't like how the other builds felt in ST

[latent gazelle]

wonder if the build using blindside is a little worse since the nerf to it?

[limber lion]

and that's fine

[topaz wing]

Is the nerf to assassination going to make it on par with outlaw or still better?

[kindred epoch]

very slightly i guess, i think the nerf was pretty minimal

[latent gazelle]

true

[kindred epoch]

if both are equally skilled, the outlaw should slap you

but that doesnt really matter until like +27 keys atm lol

[latent gazelle]

outlaw is Like DH on trash atm. it will kill it before u can ramp

[kindred epoch]

assa has more than enough dmg

[latent gazelle]

on anything 20 and below atleast

[kindred epoch]

outlaw just has more dmg than it needs, assa has exactly as much dmg as u need lul

[latent gazelle]

OL will also give you carpel tunnel after 2 dungeons

[kindred epoch]

also assa carries hard on bosses that have any sort of dps check windows

[cosmic rivet]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[kindred epoch]

like iridikron intermission when he puts a shield on

assa deathmark alone can wipe the shield in a kb ramp

no outlaw is doing that ever

[kindred epoch]

fr

[latent gazelle]

assa= consistant dmg. OL can be very mid if you mess up crackshot or somethin

[kindred epoch]

or if ur like me and constantly forget to refresh rolls before they run out

completely wasting my 4p

[latent gazelle]

got a WA for that

blasts an air horn rofl

[lime crypt]

OL is just not rewarding

cuz you are heavily dependant on luck

[kindred epoch]

lmao i do too but that shit sometimes makes a sound with 5 sec left and sometimes when its already gone idfk why

[latent gazelle]

not that much anymore

[kindred epoch]

ehhh not rly

[lime crypt]

crackshot

[kindred epoch]

ur really dependant on not messing up crackshot

[latent gazelle]

^

[kindred epoch]

if u fuck up crackshot ur dmg goes to shit

[lime crypt]

yeah and what happens if you dont get reset with ace

[latent gazelle]

most of the time its still 1bulder into finisher

[kindred epoch]

ya

one thing that sucks about crackshot is that if u have any kind of high ish ping it loses a lot of value

i play with 200ms and the amount of times i press bte with 1sec of subterfuge left and it still goes on cd

so tilting

[latent gazelle]

it can be very inconsistent but it wont tank ur dmg

even bad rolls wont tank your dmg as you can usually roll again in 10 seconds

just have to manage CDs very very well

[kindred epoch]

yee also every AR guarantees a 3 roll

which is huge

considering you have AR on like a 45 sec cd with good uptime lol

[latent gazelle]

managing cds/ casting 10000 spells a min and trying to get ints/ccs can be quite tough

[kindred epoch]

ye, outlaw is fun but its too much stuff too fast for me

i finish a key exhausted

assa is way more chill and it'll keep my hands healthier lol

[limber lion]

Yeah, I physically can't play Outlaw

It is what it is

[latent gazelle]

just put finisher (cant think of the dam name atm) on mousewheel. crackshot window easy mode

[kindred epoch]

bte

not a bad idea lmao

[latent gazelle]

thats it

lol trying to gear my enh so couldnt look at spellbook

[kindred epoch]

would be fun when u get the combo point proc

to just spam mouse wheel up

[latent gazelle]

put it on MW up and down

just rock it back n forth

[kindred epoch]

xd

[plain onyx]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[sick aspen]

how does that castingpatchwerk sim in the bloodmallet link work? when I sim using it to compare the builds they all show like -10-20k from equipped build

[broken ibex]

is there a general consensus on fight length when Signet is worth? 5 min+?

[limber lion]

Casting Patchwork is just normal Patchwork with interrupt-mechanics. Doesn't change anything in our spec/sims

[kind talon]

with all cds up in aoe, if you already have empowered garrotes on lets say 6 mobs in the back and you DM and then SD +KB a mob. within shadow dance are we reapplying and overwriting the empowered garrots? or just st pumping that dude for caustic splatter then reapplying empowered stuff in the vanish window?

[velvet ridge]

i mean it entirely depends on the key level, what dps you have with you, how long the pack is gonna live

are you that greedy

what pulls are coming up next

[limber lion]

Yeah, just use Garrote during Shadow Dance on AoE packs whenever you're talented into IC

[lime crypt]

any idea why is zero running this?

[limber lion]

You're not "overwriting" anything by using Garrote during Shadow Dance

[lime crypt]

in his m+

[limber lion]

you're simply just prolonging the already existing durations

[kind talon]

awww gotcha. ok badass. thanks mayne 🙂

[sick aspen]

Any idea why I'd be getting the massive negatives then?

[limber lion]

He's a feelcrafter who doesn't play by the rules

But it's also more ST and feels better to play in his opinion

[lofty nymph]

What should I change?

[limber lion]

Wouldn't know unless you link both sims

[velvet ridge]

Ive been running during Tyran week, I like it ALOT

[lime crypt]

why?

[limber lion]

Stats literally do not matter at all

Close that window right now

This is not 2010

Just sim yourself with Raidbots

[lofty nymph]

Yah, but how Should I know if I am fine?

[sharp viper]

[velvet ridge]

Sudden Demise is literally just 10% bleed damage, having more single target just feels so nice

[limber lion]

You are already fine

You're always fine

Even if all of your stats were 0%

you would be fine

Because it does not matter

[lime crypt]

thanks mr

[limber lion]

Just get high ilvl, Nick of Time daggers, Toxic Thorn boots, 4p tier set and Witherbark branch

nothing else matters

just high ilvl

[lofty nymph]

alright, is here something linkd like a rota?

[limber lion]

Pins for guides

Wowhead

Raidbots for sims

[astral pivot]

Do we still have a way to prepull slice n dice?

[real sphinx]

how we feeling about the nerfs coming on reset?

[limber lion]

No.

[limber lion]

Pins

Doesn't really change much

[waxen oyster]

expected

lighter than expectation

[vagrant hearth]

how much that nerf gonna affect m+?

already feel boss damage is not the best

[limber lion]

Again pins

[subtle kiln]

how is the nerf going to affect how many times people have to say check pins.

[vagrant hearth]

yeah i know the prosents just was thinking should u go left side for tyranical to time things

[real sphinx]

its almost like people like to have discussions about nerfs and not just read a pin

but i forgot this is the rogue discord

discussuion not allowed

[raw raft]

because crimson tempest is ass

jk because this build does more single target and he plays with havocs that implode packs

[velvet ridge]

well, its not a gameplay change, its just a percent nerf

not much to talk about

it wont feel different at all

[dusk palm]

has anyone already simmed 489 wep vs double 483 nick? curious if i should keep opening vault in sin

[vagrant hearth]

ppl run same talent both weeks?

[real sphinx]

lots of other rogue communities talking about it i was coming to discuss for content purposes but this discord is for baby ass bitches my god

[subtle kiln]

it’s numeric. idk what do you want to discuss besides feels? dh and bm still going to blast keys. you’re still doing ST dmg unless you party sucks and then details is inflated.

[raw raft]

you can it still does good aoe

[velvet ridge]

im sad on blindside nerf, idc about kingsbane nerf

[past forum]

How is the nerf gonna effect the tummy ache I woke up with?

[subtle kiln]

it’s gonna give you the drizzling shits

rip

[vagrant hearth]

xd

[hearty reef]

Ngl externals on rog was kinda cringe

[past forum]

Better than being blocked up I guess

[dusk palm]

externals will still be on rogue

[hearty reef]

Rl not so sure about that kek

[dusk palm]

yell louder

rogue still like the second best PI in the game?

you running double unholy dk or something?

[raw raft]

perhaps pepw

[subtle kiln]

i’m raid this will probably come down to boss nerfs and timings. bm better for PI with adds which maybe more important with aoe nerfs

[hearty reef]

Mine is going to another bm

[raw raft]

we have 2 unholys and a bm but i think I still get the 3rd pi

[subtle kiln]

just don’t have priests. then you don’t worry about it

[dusk palm]

which adds? on M tindrall sin rogues were still getting Pi for c austic spatter carrying root sets

[dark crag]

The pi discussions are the worst

[hearty reef]

No priests no draken kino raid

[crystal vault]

but doctorio said, every rogue has to play sub now and safe one pi

[velvet ridge]

i think rhubarb pi is the best, but i feel like no one ever tries it

[dusk palm]

rhubarb is fucking gross. you just put a metric ton of sugar into it to make it edible

its bitter AF

[velvet ridge]

haha heel yeah buddy

its red celery

and it slaps

[hearty reef]

Tf is an rhubarb

[past forum]

Pumpkin is a timeless classic, but I can get down with rhubarb

[hearty reef]

[junior pulsar]

Do u guys play ST build on Council, or can i use hybrid?

[subtle kiln]

I literally said it will likely come down to boss nerfs, not the current version which very few are actually going to see let alone kill

[dusk palm]

idk. I see sin being a super relevant Pi target for the entire tier

I don't know what nerfs would change that

[lofty junco]

is CT even worth it? doesn't even deal 5% in overall

[dusk palm]

my CT did 9% in my last 23

not sure

[limber lion]

Yeah what are you people doing when your CT is that low?

[lofty junco]

2 dh's. shit dies so fast i barely get my bleedings up

[limber lion]

Mine is around 10% all the time

[hearty reef]

Ct after 4 targets

Council is 2

[gusty mirage]

Well rumor has it this discord is for “baby back bitches my god”

[limber lion]

Damn, unlucky I guess

[lofty junco]

i thought it was for ppl to ask about nerfs and then go to the enxt FOTM class?

[harsh anchor]

Frfrong

[lofty junco]

[gusty mirage]

[lofty junco]

or worser. ppl asking about nerfs and then reroll to sub

[gusty mirage]

I’m okay with that alternative

[waxen oyster]

i think barring no changes you’d respec outlaw

rather than sub

[gusty mirage]

I’m financially obligated to myself to tell y’all play sub

[velvet ridge]

i would never go sub

[gusty mirage]

Damn

My IV guide is in shambles already

Sub is fun y’all

[lofty junco]

why?^^

[gusty mirage]

Except in dungeons

Don’t play sub in dungeons

[latent gazelle]

play havoc in dungeons sub/sin in raid?

[gusty mirage]

Shadowdust in dungeons is actual misery gameplay

[lyric solar]

I played sub last tier and I did not like it nearly as much

[gusty mirage]

Tbh just play havoc everywhere

[waxen oyster]

real

[gusty mirage]

Broken ass class man

[latent gazelle]

kek

[waxen oyster]

if i play dungeons trash dies fast

just play outlaw

[gusty mirage]

Havoc and VDH are just obnoxiously strong

[waxen oyster]

sin ramp not worth

[lofty junco]

can we get a 20-30% aoe nerf for havoc?^^

[latent gazelle]

yeah 12% Barrage nerf every havoc- "thats fine, we will play EssB"

[gusty mirage]

“Barrage is just pad anyway”

[waxen oyster]

essB is already a great button anyway

[latent gazelle]

makes me giggle

[subtle kiln]

already there future chicago brother

[raw raft]

my dh friend said you only played barrage on tindral anyways

classic

[lofty junco]

tbh i tried havoc. shit is too annoying to play

[latent gazelle]

if essb gets nerffed havoc agfain- "thats fine, we still have glaive toss."

[lofty junco]

i would rather play aug then ahvoc

[gusty mirage]

Momentum just ain’t my jam, I watched our DH on sark and Jesus Christ I’d have a heart attack

[waxen oyster]

i mean depends dh players who dont care for pad dont play barrage

[wild crown]

does kingsbane scale with fatal concoction/virulent poisons/dashing scoundrel?

[raw raft]

all dh's care about pad

[waxen oyster]

yeah its extremely rare you run into one who doesnt

[latent gazelle]

i just kill roots on tindral before our DH can.

spatter for the w

[waxen oyster]

need to nerf the tier before anything

[waxen oyster]

they play inertia now

last i checked

[raw raft]

yeah bro i wish my 2pc was top dam in every dungeon behind immo aura and ragefire

[latent gazelle]

or the demo lock can implosion

[raw raft]

and this week it's double dam because ragefire and immo aura are just perma padding on spitefuls

like i did my 20s and this dh did 70mil to spitefuls and i did like 20

[waxen oyster]

tbh

you can pad on spiteful as rogue

its easier as outlaw than sin though

too bad bonespike is sin only now

[raw raft]

Oxi i will give you credit that sub rn in single target is more fun than it was in Vault so i'd rather play it than outlaw but I'd still hate it

[lime crypt]

yeah its extremely ideal for me, as i play with havoc too

[gusty mirage]

Sub low key is fun af in ST, absolutely demonic in m+ though

[lime crypt]

and its less bloaty

love it

[gusty mirage]

Shadowdust in keys is an actual war crime

[lime crypt]

all my homies hate sub

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/997625609326964858.gif?size=48&name=GIGAChatting&quality=lossless

[clever niche]

seems to be a bunch of CT being "worth it" questions as they're are a few people topping raider.io by using the ST build where dashing scoundrel is dropped for iron wire

[waxen oyster]

yeah sub in raid is fine

we’re back to 2-3 target pulls being cursed for sub though

[hearty reef]

You mispelled new shuriken storm

[gusty mirage]

If you look at the target scaling for sub it’s the only spec in the game that loses dps going from 2T to 3T

[waxen oyster]

because what do you gain from 3t?

[gusty mirage]

More pain

[waxen oyster]

another target cleaved by sectec?

thats it really

[hearty reef]

You lose dmg

Because you're pressing storm in dance instead of strike

And your 3rd targets doesnt get rupture

[waxen oyster]

yeah no idea why replicating is 2

yet IC is 3

[hearty reef]

Meanwhile sin at 3t overflows with energy

Living it's best life

[waxen oyster]

3 target has always been great for sin and outlaw

[crimson zephyr]

so thanks to you guys and guides I got way better already. I just was top dps in a random pug for the first time yeey but apparently, I'm at the 16% percentile. 😮 => I'm shit.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dpFjaQcv8gNHXx9K#fight=13&type=damage-done

See the ilvl%, the range is 464-466 (i'm 464)

Can I somehow look up the distribution? I'm curious what the mean is for that particular fight in this ilvl range.

[hearty reef]

It was gucci for sub too until 4 weeks ago

[waxen oyster]

ehh

still the weakest of the 3

at 3t

[final trench]

How big is this upcoming nerf to KB going to be for us?

[waxen oyster]

its a 15% nerf

[final trench]

yea it seems huge.

especailly since its usually my top dmg

[waxen oyster]

if it isnt your top damage

you did something wrong

[final trench]

yea, I juust did not want to speak in definites.

[hearty reef]

Maybe blud didnt get pi

[final trench]

Is this nerf big enough to start panick playing other specs? I just am trying to figuure how big the impact will be on the class overall.

[tacit charm]

No

[waxen oyster]

i dont think PI changes that outcome

[hearty reef]

Absolutely not

[waxen oyster]

kb will be your top damage with proper play always

[final trench]

ok thanks. @hearty reef and @tacit charm

[hearty reef]

Yeah yeah i was joking

Merely pretending

[waxen oyster]

its not like the other 2 specs are even bad

nerfs and fixed aug hooks outlaw is honestly close

[stray mural]

I had the same question but there’s a pin. It’s not miserable.

[final trench]

Thank you!

[eternal nymph]

Ilvl range parses are all kinds of cursed.

The sample size is just too small. Instead of comparing against hundreds or thousands of kills, you're comparing against a handful. The variance in individual RNG like procs, crits, getting fucked by mechanics, killtime, group comp etc. makes such a small sample size pretty bad.

Add onto that that equal ilvl does not mean equal output, depending on where you get the ilvl from. You can be same ilvl but the other rogues Mainhand is higher and he got better trinkets or more set pieces. And bam he instantly has an advantage while still being equal ilvl. Etc.

You can use the inbuilt compare feature to directly find kills that have the other rogue at your ilvl and basically the same killtime.
Then check their gear and talents, and what they did different

[waxen oyster]

blindside nerf means you wont feel like infinite energy in execute

minor qol nerf

[stray mural]

Is the M+ gameplay loop garrote targets, rupture, set slice and dice, then DM > SD > Shiv > KB into a spatter target?

[waxen oyster]

why are you shiving mid dance

[stray mural]

Ah. So I have been doing something wrong.

[dark token]

QoL buff

[stray mural]

Explains a lot.

[waxen oyster]

you also dont have envenom before kb

[thorny rain]

DM > Shiv > SD > KB

[stray mural]

Even with 6cp should I just be ripping envenom at 4?

To maintain buff

[hearty reef]

Acshually isnt new blindside better in execute?

[waxen oyster]

says in the guide

wasnt blindside proc rate just nerfed

[waxen oyster]

your suggested opener you’re going into kb without envenom even up

[hearty reef]

Oh yeah nerfed in both scenarios

[waxen oyster]

tbh i was expecting them to just aura nerf sin

and call it a day

not target areas

[hearty reef]

Nerfing kb was the smartest thing to do

That was the outliner

[crimson zephyr]

can I somehow see the actual distribution and all the stastistics around it? Good points tho

I'll check out the compare feature

[limber lion]

iLvl parses mean nothing, don't worry

[crimson zephyr]

also currently just running one basic talent tree for raid. Once I'm more into the basics of assa I can start to diverge. SO that might be a big thing that adds dmg.

[limber lion]

Just likely means there's a bunch of people who have better gear than you at the similar ilvl

Like you don't have Branch at all

[hearty reef]

Or better sophic procs

[limber lion]

Anyone with a branch will instantly do 10k+ more dps than you by default

[winged sun]

guys help

not working

[crimson zephyr]

yeah, was jsut curious. There's still so much I can improve from simply mastering basics. I think a big part on this improvement was simply understanding better what I do. 🙂

[winged sun]

nvm fixed

[vale shore]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pseudo hamlet]

Nerfs are live, yeah?

Oh no, they'll be on 5/12

[devout karma]

Hey, on what part of opener do you guys use branch ? on pull or after casting kingsbane ?

[limber lion]

With Deathmark

Pick up 2 orbs insta and 1 after 6-8s

[devout karma]

so just before the kingsbane

Since we do kinsbane after deathmark in rotation

[vale shore]

what kind of monster kills their own kin!?

[hoary scroll]

Hey, anyone data how hard the ASSA nerf will be in overall?

[balmy condor]

Pins

[worn fossil]

[sullen mural]

Never actually though of this, but im assuming the poison u put on 2nd is the one with 30% less chance, wich one do u actually put first

[balmy condor]

The 30% reduction is global

Reduces the base 30% chance and envenoms chance increase and imp poisons chance increase

Everything

It’s not a specific poison

[sullen mural]

Iguess fair enough

The way its worded i thought its the one u put on second has less chance

i played too much PoE in my life

[lime crypt]

i just relogged and... well fuck

[potent dagger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lime crypt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[wind falcon]

In single target, do I want to always stay above 50% energy for sanguine procs?

[lime crypt]

no

i think the command was uhhh

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[prisma cypress]

if you have 4pc then you play more around that

[lime crypt]

read last sentence

@slate crown may i have little of your time sir

[steel saddle]

Is there a faq on Nick of time?

Why is it so good?

[livid finch]

you can jsut macro dance and kingsbane together right?

timestrike

is why its good

[pine dew]

whats the best build for this week?

[steel saddle]

What is time strike?

[plucky quail]

Free damage

[livid finch]

^

[timid talon]

is it really free if you have to do that dungeon 400 times?

[plucky quail]

We don't speak of the emotional toll

[livid finch]

theres nothing really else to expand with on timestrike its not some like minmax

its just a stat that ends up giving you free dmg

[balmy condor]

Yes

[slate crown]

where your auras go

[livid finch]

perfect figured as much but I just wanted to make sure

[lime crypt]

great question

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/645532835284910081.webp?size=48&name=KEKW&quality=lossless

[livid finch]

[steel saddle]

How does it work though?

[livid finch]

you do damage

and it procs