assassination

[winged sun]

[keen pecan]

??

[real stirrup]

Steve

[winged sun]

Nworb long time no see

[real stirrup]

hi

[winged sun]

hi

[keen spruce]

dookeypoop

[balmy condor]

eat pant duck

[keen spruce]

what about

Crimson Dragon Carnage

Indiscriminate Dragon Tempest

[cinder geode]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

[real stirrup]

explosions in the background

[kind jacinth]

how much CR and mastery should i aim for ?

[river cipher]

BiS build

Pros only

Newbies need not watch

[raw cedar]

@balmy condor I don't dunderstand the Post you pinned. Are you saying that if you are getting PI, nerfs are minimal, but if you are not getting PI, then it's actually a 4.4% nerf?

[balmy condor]

If you’re not getting pi it’s 4.4, if you are it’s more like 4.1

[raw cedar]

ok. Still worth playing Assa for ST? Raidbots makes my outlaw ST sim way higher, but in practice i am not sure that's true

and that is pre-nerf

[vernal shadow]

Hybrid Shockgussy

[balmy condor]

Well it is true, but outlaw has no burst, so if you’re able to leverage the burst from assa, assa will be better

[keen pecan]

ass offers execute as well

[raw cedar]

that's pretty much what it seems to come down to, the sustained vs the burst. Thank you.

yes but Execute is accounted for in the sims

[kind jacinth]

guys guys guys how much cr mastery is ok ?

[raw cedar]

Why is everyone playing Sub for Smolderon?

[keen pecan]

timing w/ CDs

fits perfectly

[raw cedar]

ahhhh

[wet agate]

outlaw also has that rng factor with ace procs

[raw cedar]

yeah it's nuts

some stealth windows i get 8 BTE and some others i can't even fit 2

[wet agate]

yeah it happens

[balmy condor]

Outlaw less rng than assa btw

Just so we’re on the same page

[raven egret]

Also, not everyone no. You can abuse Dust to fit timings with Sub is all

[silk bane]

crimson carnage lets gooo

[raw cedar]

no way man, other than blindside

[balmy condor]

Yeah other than blindside, and kingsbane crits, and poison applications during kingsbane, and your wafting proccing during burst

[arctic hare]

Crimson carnage

[burnt venture]

Crimson Carnage

[balmy condor]

Aight well

Crimson carnage doesn’t work

[keen spruce]

okay but APshock

[arctic hare]

Well well well

[keen spruce]

already has both

[balmy condor]

Cause I removed carnage

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

I mean

Ct

[arctic hare]

Wildddd

[balmy condor]

Carnage still there

[balmy condor]

Shmeeps help

[arctic hare]

Whew, ok

[balmy condor]

I’m not at pc

Take the single target build

[keen spruce]

mkay

[balmy condor]

Move dashing into carnage

And then imp poison into iron wire

[keen spruce]

mkay

[balmy condor]

Link that

[keen spruce]

dis?

[balmy condor]

Perfect

That’s the build

Cteaver

[obtuse robin]

what thats not true they are similar tho

[burnt venture]

King’s Tempest

[steel ridge]

Raid CT

[keen spruce]

keep up nera

we're way passed that

[arctic hare]

Nah, not enough

[steel ridge]

Sry

[balmy condor]

you’re right, why did that change

[keen spruce]

why don't we name stuff

[steel ridge]

Phone is scrolling slow

[keen spruce]

like uh

[arctic hare]

In what universe would this work?

[keen spruce]

american football

so like 5 capstones

[balmy condor]

It’s too late, Cteaver

[keen spruce]

are liek the 5 linemen

[balmy condor]

Or Cteave

[arctic hare]

Lmao, ok

[obtuse robin]

idk but its not less

[balmy condor]

Cause cleave

[arctic hare]

Cleaver

[balmy condor]

And ct

[keen spruce]

so like

[balmy condor]

And ct leave

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

Bye bye

[arctic hare]

My brain auto corrects to cleaver 🤣

[steel ridge]

That’s basically coucil build + iw

[keen spruce]

Strongside left 44 dive

[balmy condor]

Perfect

It’s the bis 2 target build

[keen spruce]

or strong left 44 wire

[balmy condor]

So

[burnt venture]

Does it sim similar to our other 13 build for M+?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[burnt venture]

Tits

[balmy condor]

So we got hybrid, arterial, and cteave

And that’s it

No more builds

[arctic hare]

[keen spruce]

why cteave

[raven egret]

meh, Arterial is all I need

[arctic hare]

I’m partial to hybrid myself

[spice plover]

so and now the important question which one does 0.0001% more dps and should be played 😛

[balmy condor]

Cause zerocool plays it and it’s just giga single target and people foam at the mouth over single target, and I don’t have any non-Ct representation

[keen spruce]

it's like whispyr wants to answer 7000 civillians comin in here at all hours of the day asking "why does the CTeaver build not have CT?"

[balmy condor]

Or why the name

[keen spruce]

the name

[balmy condor]

Well

[arctic hare]

TRUE

[balmy condor]

Cause Cteave

Is cleave

But also

Ct leave

[keen spruce]

[raven egret]

big brain name

[keen spruce]

I like football naming

strong left 44 wire

[arctic hare]

Hmm, i think you’re the only one who would think of it like that 😂

[raw cedar]

this channel is starting to be 140+ IQ only

with these names

[balmy condor]

Yeah well

It’s hilarious

And smart

And punny

And I like it

And I make the rules around here

[keen spruce]

arterial shock can be: Split 2-2 blind

[balmy condor]

[raven egret]

its almost as if you are the one deciding on the names

[arctic hare]

This do be true

[steel ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[keen spruce]

hybrid can be

uhhh

strong right 44 tempest

[balmy condor]

Shmeeps no one cares about your football garbage

[keen spruce]

[arctic hare]

So wait, can we get rid of ironwire and put it in dashing

?

[raven egret]

We talking about sportsball?

[keen spruce]

it make sense

[balmy condor]

No

[arctic hare]

Fuck

[balmy condor]

You can get rid of iron wire and put it in imp poison though

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-gif-23805540

[arctic hare]

I… ugh

[balmy condor]

:)

[steel ridge]

[arctic hare]

This hurts me

[balmy condor]

Good

Pain is expected

[arctic hare]

So its a shit ton of st?

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s the raid build with 2 talent swaps

[arctic hare]

Touche

[balmy condor]

Can’t really get much more single target than that

[raven egret]

so for big m+ pull, Spatter harder

[balmy condor]

This is going to hurt me though you’re right

Idk

Maybe it’s worth the pun

[arctic hare]

If you want to cleave, can’t we just switch to caustic spatter and boom, cleave?

[balmy condor]

Yes but this is an m+ build

[steel ridge]

huh

[burnt venture]

Crimson cleave

[balmy condor]

And not taking carnage would be really fucking stupid

[arctic hare]

Oh…

[eternal heath]

Just failed a 21 Rise because the tank released and took 2.5 mins to get to Morchie

[arctic hare]

This hurts even more then what the hell IS that, and WHY?

[balmy condor]

It’s a raid build

With iron wire, caustic, carnage

[arctic hare]

But for m+?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Welcome to m+ meta I guess

[keen spruce]

just call it

caustic carnage

[balmy condor]

They all take caustic and carnage

[steel ridge]

council

[raven egret]

... ok that one is pretty good

[lofty junco]

CC build

[balmy condor]

Shmeeps

Pls

[lofty junco]

[keen spruce]

yeah well

they're all kinda hybrid too

[steel ridge]

Its council

[keen spruce]

dik

[raven egret]

Wait we really want to suggest not taking CT for keys?

[balmy condor]

Yeh why not

People out there timing 26’s with it

YOLO

[arctic hare]

Who else is in the group then?

[balmy condor]

I’ve given up on trying to control m+ meta

[lofty junco]

2dh?^^

[burnt venture]

DH and BM before Tuesday

Lmfao

[balmy condor]

M+ers are a different breed of humans

[keen spruce]

Arterial blades

[balmy condor]

I’m just along for the ride

[arctic hare]

So what I’m hearing is, two monsters in aoe?

[burnt venture]

Yes

[arctic hare]

To the point where sin’s aoe isn’t as necessary?

[burnt venture]

Then sin rogue carries ST

[balmy condor]

They play a raid build in m+ and I just smile and nod and go “well if it works I guess what do I care”

[arctic hare]

Hmm, this is, interesting. I don’t like it.

[keen spruce]

the m+ meta is try to find a build that will let you scoop up damage in between the demon hunters and demo locks deleting the dungeon

[raven egret]

thats the only way it makes sense to me, you get a Havoc or something to handle the mass aoe packs, you prio target like a madlad

[keen spruce]

so big ST maybe good

[arctic hare]

But their ST is great TOO though?!

[balmy condor]

I mean currently the assassination meta is playing a different build every week. During beta people played basically only hybrid, then week 1 everyone was on shock hype train, then tyrannical hit and people were like well maybe hybrid again, but maybe also just raid build, and now it’s fort week and… we’re playing…. More? Single target?

Next week we’ll drop kingsbane or some shit

And I’m just gonna give up

[arctic hare]

Dropping kingsbane would truly be a sin…

Pun intended.

[raven egret]

I can't imagine any scenario without KB. Dropping CT in M+ is already too big brain for me apparently, I dont want to imagine a no KB

[balmy condor]

Tier and caustic does work what can I say

[hushed fable]

Well... and here I am just playing hybrid build with 2 exceptions when I tried AS build and hated it equally both times.

[balmy condor]

CT on 4+ is whack

But that’s the tier bonus cranking

So what can you do

[keen spruce]

idk all of the sim AoE value we get is kind of lost rn with how bursty the meta is. I've just played AP for the whole season and feel like i'm doin fine. losing in overall to DHs but pretty much first on all bosses

[balmy condor]

That’s just this patch

[keen spruce]

so maybe high key doers are just doubling down on strengths

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean all these builds the same

[keen spruce]

[arctic hare]

CT? Isn’t that not affected by our tier much?

[balmy condor]

Let’s get real

[balmy condor]

It’s not affected at all

Which is why it’s 4 in the first place

[arctic hare]

Okay, I was t…

FUCK

I’ve been using it on 2+.

SO MANY GCDs. GONE

Well thats nice to know, imma go read the faq again since i apparently missed something

[balmy condor]

It would be 2 if you had old tier

[arctic hare]

Nvm.

[balmy condor]

3 with two piece

4 with four piece

[keen spruce]

I've been using it on 3 all tier

[raven egret]

Well, guess I have a "new" build to try

[keen spruce]

and i'm almost 3.2k

[shut magnet]

hello guys, wyd? i am new, trying to learn how to play with rogue assassin, and be efficient in pvp, but i am learning a bit of pve to.
Actualy i am trying to be useful in mythics+, i did one of level 2 today with my friends, but i suck.
The damage of the rogue's skills are the "Shadow Dance", "Kingsbane" and "Deathmark"?
All my rotation will play around those three?

[balmy condor]

Mr nochill himself was using it in 2 target and then said it sucked

[keen spruce]

[shut magnet]

i have the 428 of ilevel

[arctic hare]

It took me so long to figure out who that was.

[shut magnet]

thanks for your guides @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Low keys will just suck in general cause you don’t have time to ramp your kingsbane or let your dots tick

I wouldn’t worry about it

But in general stealth -> dots

And then pick a target for caustic

And cooldown it

With deathmark kingsbane

And you’re good to go

[keen spruce]

If my KB gets a full duration in a +25 it's a miracle

or a boss

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[arctic hare]

And then suffer as it dies in 2 seconds lmao

[raven egret]

Thats why I love the abominations in everbloom, they have the decency to stay alive just long enough... sometimes.

[keen spruce]

abombs are very based mobs

witches too

in WC

and honor guards in atal

although no one goes right anymore

[void tree]

Hey i’m picking up assassination this season. My rogue is 470 but I feel my dps is pretty low. My logs aren’t great and at the end of most 20 keys that aren’t pad heavy i’m only pulling about 150-160k overall. What would you guys need to help point out anything I can change?

[shut magnet]

thankss

[balmy condor]

Focus on nailing your burst rotations

[raven egret]

I want to go back to the time people went right. Can we go back? We have to go back.

[balmy condor]

Assassination is 80% burst right now

[keen spruce]

wait what if

u just call the build

zerochill

[balmy condor]

No

I’m not gonna name a raid build thousands of people have used after one guy

[keen spruce]

ok

[balmy condor]

Especially not that guy

[void tree]

Heard i think i got the st burst down but i fumble a lot with the aoe window. Is there a good rotation guide for this

[balmy condor]

It’s the same thing

You just spread a couple more bleeds beforehand in the aoe window

[void tree]

When do you use the aoe bleed finnisher whats it called blade storm? It feels like theres never a good time in the window

[balmy condor]

During dance is fine usually

[keen spruce]

normally my first or 2nd finisher in dance

sometimes I put it up before burst

sometimes I put it up after dance

[void tree]

Ok so its dance kingsbane blade storm instead of envenom

[keen spruce]

good to get it up

[keen spruce]

ye but you don't want your env buff to drop either

so you kind of wanna feel it out

depending on the cp you envenomed on before dance

and/or seal fate

[void tree]

Ok i’ll play around with it its better than doing it extremely late

I do max combo enevenom before kb

I think thats probably my worst habit is dropping envenom uptime

[real stirrup]

is the waycrest legacy (both rings from Waycrest Manor) any good?

[void tree]

Never sure in big aoe packs if I should be tab targeting to spread caustic splatter or to just focus one guy and envenom

[raven egret]

You can't spread caustic spatter, it works of a single target you apply it on, and cleaves off that one target.

[void tree]

Well shoot

I feel dumb now haha

[keen spruce]

waycrest set is an intellect trinket + ring

so no

[void tree]

So you guys dont just tab and spread rupture how do you not run out of energy I feel starved outside my burst window

[keen spruce]

i just tab ruptures

[raven egret]

you can reapply garrotes and rupture if the mobs are alive for long enough

[keen spruce]

or click on nameplates

[dusk sun]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[real stirrup]

not the trinket just both rings (no intellect on rings)

trying to sim anyways

[keen spruce]

you said waycrest's legacy

that's the set

with one ring

and one trinket

the other ring is just a ring

high vers low haste

which is probably fine depending on your gear

[tawdry flint]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[real stirrup]

Oh damn you're right I thought it was both rings for the set my bad

[void tree]

The guy in the pooling video isnt even running that blade tempest. I ran with another sin rogue today that was running full left tree like a raid build and we pulled identical damage. Is this common in m+ now to basically run the st raid build?

[balmy condor]

Hi that guy in the pooling video is me and it’s because pooling is less relevant in m+, where you’re able to get infinite energy from multi dotting

It requires a lot more attention in single target

[void tree]

Oh sweet hey guy

[balmy condor]

The build question is uh

Idk

There’s a billion different builds people use

And it’s kinda all the same

[void tree]

Ok i’ll try it my st has been good but if it can get better i’m 100% doing it

[forest notch]

apologies if this is in the guide and I scanned past it but if DM/KB get out of sync do I hold KB for DM or DM for KB?

[glad vapor]

What was the key - I can imagine that in lower keys spatter + 4p can be enough as mobs die quickly

[balmy condor]

yeah probably

[forest notch]

This mainly happens on nymue right now, DM + KB at start of fight then KB comes up again just as she phases so it ends up being 10-15 seconds before I can actually use KB on add

so then DM comes up but no KB for like 20 seconds

[forest notch]

haha to which?

[balmy condor]

syncing kb to dm

you'd just hold whatever's closer

like if dm is up but kb needs 20 seconds

hold kb

if dm is up in 20 seconds, hold dm

[forest notch]

do you mean if dm is up in 20 seconds hold KB?

[balmy condor]

yeh whatever

either way just line them back up

[forest notch]

kk

[balmy condor]

whatever is closer

[forest notch]

and if fight is going ot end then I aassume just send everything on its own

[balmy condor]

yeah

you never want to end a fight with anything available

no shiv, no tea, no kb, no dm

no dance

no nothing

burn it all

[forest notch]

kk

[keen spruce]

in m+, a good way to avoid desyncing

is just to send the non-dm KJB

KB

as soon as it's up

no matter what

[forest notch]

Ya M+ I dont have an issue for the most part

this is mainly just nymue in raid atm

[keen spruce]

then if you need to hold for like one pack before a boss, hold the DM+kb

so they stay sync'd

oh

hmmge

[forest notch]

cause I have to use on add

[keen spruce]

I've been doin the accelerated opener and rippin hte KB in to boss

[forest notch]

ya makes sense

[forest notch]

like first?

that would like it up better

[keen spruce]

the 2nd kb

[forest notch]

oh

[keen spruce]

if you speed up your opener a bit you can almost squeeze the whole thing in

[forest notch]

does she go immune?

[keen spruce]

but it's probably bad

should probably just send it on the add

[forest notch]

plus the add needs to die

so it is good on the add

[keen spruce]

ye

i haven't pulled it on mythic so i'll actually look up how to do things correctly when I get there

but i'd imagine, normal opener. KB goes into add which would be like ~10s late

then you just hold your DM for 10s to get them synced back up

[forest notch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cVAhwgC8xXJnzZH6#fight=30

I feel like this would have been a good parse if I wasnt helping out alts here (ie. if the fight was like 1:30 faster)

600k burst felt good

Can you see DPS over time in logs? curious where I would have been if fight ended earlier

[keen spruce]

where is your PI

[fast phoenix]

If you’re not sure when to send an ability on a fight… lorrgs.io is great for that

[keen spruce]

and aug buffs

[forest notch]

haha was an alt run

priest left

so ya no aug or PI here

[keen spruce]

oh no aug

[fast phoenix]

Can see everyone logs and see when people are sending specific abilities at one time and everything

[keen spruce]

2 priests tho

[forest notch]

Though does aug affect parse? Ithought it was all removed

[keen spruce]

uhh yeah aug gets trimmed out

i think assas yoinks a little bit tho

[forest notch]

cool ill take a look ty

[lofty junco]

ah fuck it not gonna bother with m+ until next week....having to search like 4h for one go damn 15 or 16 key is stupid

[fast phoenix]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/gnarlroot

Can choose what boss you want

[upper spear]

highlight the timestamp you want and itll show dps

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-look-harder-look-i-dont-know-dont-know-gif-5660589

[upper spear]

ur not the healer monk right

[forest notch]

Well I got a 64 on this, no PI and the fight was almost 2 mins too long. So I think I was having a good pull. Feeling confident in the rotation.

[keen spruce]

wut?

[upper spear]

same name

[keen spruce]

no one has my name

I am one of a kind

[limber lion]

Quite a bit actually

[upper spear]

oh shit tru

[lofty junco]

https://tenor.com/view/eminem-marshallmathers-slimshady-d12-idontgiveadamnwhatyouthink-gif-4699098

[forest notch]

hmm I thought we are supposed to go DM > Shiv > KB bot DM > KB > Shiv?

oops photo for reference one sec

[keen spruce]

those are super zzoomed out

you're seeing the 2nd shiv

[forest notch]

nm

ya

[limber lion]

What is kb bot

[forest notch]

Im not zoomed in

cool

[keen spruce]

I do have a mw

called megashmeeps

[forest notch]

ok cool ya im doing Nymue right

[keen spruce]

cuz we simp for megasett round these parts

but it's like 430ilvl

[upper spear]

i was carrying a group for a raid clear this week

[spice spire]

I simp For megashmeeps

[upper spear]

MW named Shmeep

think he had a mental issue

[spice spire]

They have that in common then

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

His mental issue is having a MW and sin rogue

[keen spruce]

certified

[earnest remnant]

imean

he is not wrong

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/kissing-the-baby-raccoon-baby-racoon-viralhog-showing-affection-pecking-the-raccoon-gif-16626275468711104056

[forest notch]

If rupture falls off inside of KB do I ignore it until KB done or reup?

[surreal citrus]

ignore iirc

at most you're prolly losing like 3ish ticks if it falls off towards the end

[forest notch]

kk

hmm I burst about 625k in opener but I see other rogues with gear close to mine bursting 700-750k. They have augs though but I thought that didnt affect log numbers.

[keen spruce]

in st?

[forest notch]

Just trying to figure out why mine so low

ya

Nymue is my example

right now

looking at some logs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Dg2JVcbZCKQF83YH#fight=32&type=damage-done&source=39 for example

[keen spruce]

yeah i'm peaking over 750k

on my nymue opener

[forest notch]

hmm I wonder what im missing/doing wrong then

[keen spruce]

a lot of it is just ilvl and crits

aug

pi

[storm hedge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[forest notch]

My mastery is quite low too

for my ilvl

I need to fix rings

[keen spruce]

I mean i'm like 4-5 ilvls higher than you

stats don't rly matter at all

[forest notch]

oh ok

4-5ilvl make that big of a diff?

[keen spruce]

the robot will probably want you to get more mastery yeah

but that's not gonna mke a noticable impact on your damage

to that degreee

[forest notch]

The one log I linked above had no PI and 2 ilvl diff

[forest notch]

good to know

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean pi is the big one

and we much some aug damage

that should be going to them

[forest notch]

This guy had no PI I mean

ahh

ya so maybe aug is the big difference in this case

[balmy condor]

probably not

[keen spruce]

idk how much it is

[balmy condor]

they fixed most of it

[forest notch]

Likely its something im doing

or not doing

rather

[balmy condor]

!aug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue abilities not being reattributed to Augs in logs:

Blade flurry Shadow Blades Sanguine Blades

Poisoned Edges Sudden Demise Shadow Eviscerate

More information

[keen spruce]

well looking at that graph on wcl

without some matching up

is not the most accurate measurement

cuz like this is the whole fight but it's only 2:45 long

[forest notch]

how do you do the WCL compare again?

[keen spruce]

if i zoom into the first 30s

now i'm over 1m

probably better to look at like the actual damage

in the tables

and number of casts

[forest notch]

kk

[keen spruce]

and all that

[forest notch]

I know there is a way to side by side compare to reports

but cant figure it out

[keen spruce]

like the one you linked their opening KB did 3.09m with 85% crits

[rotund oak]

mr whispyr sir,what is a good envenom uptime buff?

[upper spear]

its pretty easy to high zoom in on hero window and open 2 tabs

[rotund oak]

or it matters only on our windows

[upper spear]

thats what i do

[forest notch]

got it

[keen spruce]

mine did 3.53m with 71%

[rotund oak]

to keep the buff

[keen spruce]

which means something idk

[balmy condor]

in single target?

[rotund oak]

yeah

[balmy condor]

on my larodar kill I had 83% uptime

so idk

80-85 I guess is fine

[keen spruce]

I had 90 on the worm

[rotund oak]

thx alot

[balmy condor]

yeh worm uptime might be higher

bit rng from blindside and stuff

[forest notch]

Thats what I wanted

[balmy condor]

and mechanics

[ancient kraken]

96 on worm 😮

[rotund oak]

larodar is jumpy

[keen spruce]

I also didn't play great on worm

[earnest remnant]

volcoross

[rotund oak]

you sick mfker

[forest notch]

my sanguine is lowwww

need to pool better

[keen spruce]

94% on iggy

[earnest remnant]

223k without pi it was quite an okay one

[forest notch]

wait this guy isnt using deadly poison?

[rotund oak]

i think i watched that on stream ye or it was nymue

maybe im wrong

but im trying to work on my envenom

[keen spruce]

[rotund oak]

thus rotation in general

[ancient kraken]

so close 😦

[pine dew]

How does the Hybrid differ from Aterial in playstyle? What is the goal of both builds?

[rotund oak]

not even 100%

[keen spruce]

they do the same thing. play the same way. arterial has blindside. so if you like that then

[forest notch]

thats just wrong no?

[keen spruce]

that is wrong, correct

[rotund oak]

also mr @marble hemlock sbs sims 3.1k less than the regular arterial build

[keen spruce]

sap pools CP on turnips to env first global for 100% uptime

[rotund oak]

we losing much 😦

[keen spruce]

[rotund oak]

🤣

im going into leggo logs soonish

🔥

i also think that i have to delete my afenar group

fukin throw it out of the window

and why my KB WA doesnt work

mfking

[earnest pilot]

does mastery snapshot for bleeds? or does it just increase bleed dmg

[forest notch]

How does PI increase our dmg btw at like the mechanic level? Bleeds tick faster so you get more ticks? More energy?

[quiet oar]

No

Only thing that Snapshots is Nightstalker

afaik

[quiet oar]

You hit faster

[forest notch]

ahh ok

so super builds KB

[quiet oar]

yes

[marble hemlock]

Huh?

[rotund oak]

dont huh me mr german sir

sbs is worse

and im sad coz i like it

[rotund oak]

😅

❤️

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-evil-laugh-evil-racoon-hehehehe-muhahaha-gif-25486258

me getting pi later today

[lofty junco]

i love greedy ppl....https://i.imgur.com/Qphj31Q.png

[sick aspen]

does mh vs oh matter at all for sophic/wafting?

[balmy condor]

no

[rotund oak]

Emp Garrote pretty important to track as well right?

we cant override coz bad

i kinda pepega'd my last ticks almost all the time

mfking doing amateur mistakes

[arctic hare]

O dpm

okay, fingers were one key over lmao

Wheres that Crazy build Whispyr cooked up?

Found it, I am, scared to see how this ends up

[lofty junco]

its so fun getting oneshot at council by the bear cause tank positioning him so that u can't attack the 2nd boss without getting cleaved....

[arctic hare]

Gotta love it!

[rotund oak]

i press shadowstep all the time

when the bear is charging

[lofty junco]

not the charge. his cleave

[rotund oak]

ah i c

lul

stay somewhere around his ribs

or hit the dryad btch

[arctic hare]

Wait, actually, Outlaw rogue's have something that lets them have ambush replace SS even while subterfuge is going on, would that theoretically work for sin?

[fallen raven]

that exists right this second for sin

[lofty junco]

thats what i did. but tank did positioning the ebar so that u always get cleaved if doing so

[arctic hare]

Teach me your ways!

[lofty junco]

he killed like all melees

[fallen raven]

oh i think i misread what you were saying but wouldn't you be able to just adapt the macro for mutilate as well

[lofty junco]

ah well larry dead so at least 4/9 hc

[arctic hare]

maybe, lemme grab the macro rqw

[balmy condor]

can just put ambush on your stealth bar

[arctic hare]

/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush; Sinister Strike

[balmy condor]

and call it a day

[arctic hare]

Yeah, I do, but I'm still curious if it'd work

[balmy condor]

if what would work

[arctic hare]

if we can do something similar to that macro, because for some reason it replaces SS even during Subterfuge for outlaw.

[balmy condor]

but if it's on your stealth bar

why does it matter

[arctic hare]

my, bars are, odd.

[feral basin]

Should I keep 2pc / 2pc or just ditch S2 2pc for higher ilvl items

[arctic hare]

Is there a way to mark your bars as stealth bars in elvui?

[fallen raven]

if you don't use a stealth bar that should work, just remove the known: HO, and change SS to mut i think

[balmy condor]

yea

or if you want to be REALLY precise

/cast [stance:1] Ambush
/cast [stance:2] Ambush
/cast [stance:3] Ambush
/cast [stance:0] Mutilate

should also work

and that'll cover every situation ever

regardless of bar

[arctic hare]

oh, cool.

[balmy condor]

think you could just simplify that to /cast [stance] Ambush

but not sure

[wraith cosmos]

do share

[balmy condor]

I don't use macros

[arctic hare]

one sec.

Somethin like this

He calls it, CTeave

[wraith cosmos]

kinda crazy DS is dropped for that

[balmy condor]

I should find a better name

[wraith cosmos]

i can see where it could be rather potent

[arctic hare]

Please do lmao

[balmy condor]

fuck you

[arctic hare]

No problem lmao

[balmy condor]

its a smart name

[rotund oak]

tell him to open his warmode and lemme log on my rogue,he wont do it again^^

[arctic hare]

no no, It is now that I've had time to stay awake and suffer.

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

dashing kinda omega sucks

you'd want to drop it for basically anything else

[static glacier]

looks similar to a build zero was running

[arctic hare]

Sadness

[balmy condor]

the only place it's good is in raw single target

[arctic hare]

Thats cause it IS one of his lmao

[balmy condor]

and even then it's the weakest

[static glacier]

xd

[arctic hare]

Whispyr kinda adapted it and changed it a bit iirc

[balmy condor]

zerocool's ran like 25 different builds

are we surprised

[wraith cosmos]

guess with the lowered pois procs the energy aint that good?

[static glacier]

a true pinoeer, he's broken free of the hivemind

we're still here

[balmy condor]

regardless of that it's just not good

[earnest remnant]

if he is a pioneer

[arctic hare]

ooooooh, ALMOST worked

[earnest remnant]

then i dont wanna be one

[rotund oak]

he's

special

[static glacier]

honestly, memes aside I think we've all gotten too wrapped up in optimising

[arctic hare]

This is true

[earnest remnant]

cant hear you

to busy running 24 different sims

[static glacier]

like the guy is pushing r1 rio while playing rotation with mistakes

like ct on 2

[arctic hare]

Stealth breaks is basically everything but unstealthing yourself, correct?

[static glacier]

respect to him for living his truth yknow

[earnest remnant]

imagine the IO he could get, if he played correctly tho

[balmy condor]

to be fair, the biggest barrier to pushing m+ is just raw time investment

[earnest remnant]

true

[balmy condor]

rank 1 players aren't rank 1 because they're the best players to walk the earth

[marble hemlock]

Isn't the entire idea behind the word "truth" that there's only, like, one?

[balmy condor]

they're rank 1 because they smash their head into the wall until it breaks

[wraith cosmos]

so theres this strange thing specifically for muro rise, i accidentally ended up in one with single target(splatter version) build...oddly enough, dmg was a bit lacking on tyr's platform but apart from that it seemed like the dmg was actually pretty good most the rest of the pulls

[static glacier]

To live in your truth simply means to live as your most authentic self, doing things daily that bring you happiness and joy, living as true to yourself as possible.

[marble hemlock]

There's a few exceptions to that, but generally, yes 99% this

[static glacier]

muro's isn't a super aoe heavy key

[hoary remnant]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1180129404031082546/dagger.webp

[wraith cosmos]

true, apart from the first platform

but thats the thing

[arctic hare]

OOH, its been updated!

[wraith cosmos]

the dmg on the first platform too was not really low

[static glacier]

yeah that pull it's deffo possible to crank over 1m regularly

[balmy condor]

yeah, every update makes it slightly less informative and slightly more misleading

[arctic hare]

oh, nice.

[balmy condor]

it's very cool

[marble hemlock]

theres a few players that can get #1 in just a week or two of pushing, but the vast majority of the top ranked players actually play daily and like 6+ hours a day

[balmy condor]

like the mechanical "cheat death" is a 10% heal when you drop under 20% health

super good

very amazing

[marble hemlock]

and its missing the size increase for giants

which is objectively the most important bonus

[dire barn]

Hello people

[arctic hare]

so powerful lmao

[balmy condor]

very death

[static glacier]

why is dragonkin just ignoring that it's actually 10% if you play the game

[balmy condor]

such cheat

[static glacier]

smh

[balmy condor]

bro I didn't make it idk

[static glacier]

any thoughts on best pick? I've been rolling with dragon but unsure

[lofty nymph]

I will never drop bork trinket

[balmy condor]

I'm just as surprised as anyone else when it gets updated for the third time in a week

[rustic minnow]

so for me, bonespike build sims more and im sure it will for others as well but im not seeing many people run it on WCL can any explain that?

[marble hemlock]

beast

[static glacier]

you got 4pc?

[dire barn]

What does Magic DR and Shadow DR mean ?

[balmy condor]

cause it doesn't sim better for like 95% of people and most of the 5% don't care enough

[rustic minnow]

yes

[arctic hare]

Magic Dmg reduction

and shadow damage reduction.

[dire barn]

ok thx

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor does the SBS sim account for LBE?

[bleak plume]

does the time strike dagger proc effects like poisons etc?

[dire barn]

Which spec is best for PvP on rogue ?

[arctic hare]

#pvp

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-rocking-shocked-trauma-family-guy-gif-3629549

[arctic hare]

What in the hell is LBE?

[balmy condor]

was a thing for shadowlands

lead by example

basically when you cast bone spike it gave main stat to people around you

[marble hemlock]

ill stop bringing it up when recuperator gets fixed dw

[arctic hare]

oh GOD

[balmy condor]

and the argument was that bone spike is always better

because of it

[marble hemlock]

hey

it also gave you like 13% agi okay

[wraith cosmos]

OH JESUS

[balmy condor]

and questions of "hey but what if we cast bone spike during fire mage cds, that's bigger value"

and all that shit

[arctic hare]

Thats, actually not SO bad though?

[balmy condor]

I mean it was accounted for

[arctic hare]

Thats, actually worse. okay.

[marble hemlock]

can we like

not talk about it

i only brought it up

[balmy condor]

suffer seli

[arctic hare]

lmao

[marble hemlock]

cuz whispyr has PTSD from trying to accommodate my nagging about it

[balmy condor]

I suffer in here constantly

now you're here

[marble hemlock]

ye well

[balmy condor]

you suffer too

[marble hemlock]

that sounds like a you issue

[arctic hare]

Is it why you became a shadowblade?

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-slide-baby-later-peace-out-gif-19322436

[wraith cosmos]

that is certainly an issue...not an issme though

[balmy condor]

the amount of suffering you endure in ravenholdt directly correlates to how high you are on the totem pole

[arctic hare]

oh, thank god I'm at the bottom.

[marble hemlock]

tormenting whispyr with miniscule sim improvements that turned out to not be improvements is my thing. i dont like how everybody seems to be doing it now

[wraith cosmos]

we get to inflict it instead +,..,+

[arctic hare]

I only watched your keys like, in shadowlands so

[arctic hare]

[bleak plume]

does the time strike dagger proc effects like poisons etc?

[arctic hare]

Hmm, that, is a good question lmao

[balmy condor]

yes ofc

any damage

all damage

replicates trinket damage and shit too

[lyric grail]

Do I only use 2 teas in opener and then always 1 in the burst ?

[balmy condor]

you only use 1 tea in opener and always 1 in burst

[lyric grail]

Oh f xd then I completely uses it wrong

[balmy condor]

@marble hemlock name this build for m+

[arctic hare]

WHOO

[lyric grail]

That’s why I’m running out of stacks

[wraith cosmos]

Dashing out the build

[lyric grail]

Crimson splatter

[balmy condor]

it doesn't have crimson

[arctic hare]

indeed

[cursive owl]

O_O

[lyric grail]

U asked for a name

[cursive owl]

guys

[lyric grail]

Xd

[balmy condor]

okay

[lofty junco]

Indiscriminate Assassination

[cursive owl]

are 1,14 million crits from kingsbane normal ?

[hearty reef]

Just tyra build

[balmy condor]

I didn't think I needed to specify that it should be a good name

[arctic hare]

What boss are you on?

[balmy condor]

yes

[cursive owl]

gnarloot

[arctic hare]

Yep, they're fun

[cursive owl]

HOLY

[balmy condor]

1.1 seems low for gnarl

[arctic hare]

Beautiful

[cursive owl]

is this chart good :3 ?

so im pressing buttons right LUL

[balmy condor]

surely you can go higher than 1.1

[lyric grail]

Indian splatter

[balmy condor]

what

[arctic hare]

LOL< that name tho

[wraith cosmos]

no pi/enh/pot/lust on dmg phase

[balmy condor]

bro's just yappen

[arctic hare]

Wait, yall lust on Dmg phase?

wait

Do we lust on dmg phase?

[wraith cosmos]

no idea

we lust start i think

[cursive owl]

thanks ♥

[arctic hare]

Yeah, hmm.

[wraith cosmos]

but we generally tend to lust start when we progged enough

[balmy condor]

yeah

1.5

that's more like it

[cursive owl]

and whispyr , i looked up your pool guide and good job

[balmy condor]

probably could find a 2 mil crit somewhere

but

too lazy

[balmy condor]

ty

[cursive owl]

UwU

[arctic hare]

And THEN theres Yalnu....

[wraith cosmos]

i have one decent parse on gnarlroot

lemme see

[cursive owl]

[arctic hare]

We love Yalnu.

[balmy condor]

yalnu doesn't count

ozumat doesn't count either

[arctic hare]

i know

[balmy condor]

fake bosses

[arctic hare]

but big numbers fun

[strange python]

close

1.8

[cursive owl]

still 76% parse

[balmy condor]

also that's so boring and unimaginative

[wraith cosmos]

any way on warcraftlogs to see my highest tick?

[balmy condor]

open a log and hover it

but aside from that, nah

[hearty reef]

#assassination message

[wraith cosmos]

ah, i see it now, im not used to actually using logs for review

[hearty reef]

[wraith cosmos]

i remember when my parses used to be purple and orange...now its half blue with a green

[hearty reef]

Mb i read that as not a good name

[arctic hare]

Wow Analyzer.

Very useful tool, assuming it is updated.

Whispyr?

[balmy condor]

it isn't

[arctic hare]

FUCK

okay, nevermind then.

[wraith cosmos]

its really not the issue that i dont know what im doing wrong...its more that i keep doing it

[junior yoke]

⏳

[arctic hare]

okay, yep, I'm fucking kingsbane up

[wraith cosmos]

i cannot tell you how many times ive been consciously warning myself not to rupture at 4cp cause we do envenom at 4 now...AND IT KEEPS HAPPENING

[arctic hare]

I don't think i'm using it on Gnarlroot when I should be, hell yeah!

[arctic hare]

Dude, SAME.

[balmy condor]

why would you not rupture at 4?

[arctic hare]

ITS FINE? WHOOOOOOOO!

[wraith cosmos]

IT IS?

[balmy condor]

I mean that's what "finish at 4+" means

does it not

rupture is a finisher

whats the issue

[wraith cosmos]

IM NOT COMPLETE GARBAGE AT THE SPEC IVE PLAYED FOR ENTIRETY OF TWO EXPANSIONS YAAAY

i thought we should still try 5+ cause more duration=>less button pressing

[balmy condor]

yeah but then you'd have to generate at 4

and the whole point is to not use a generate at 4

[arctic hare]

Because overcapping do be a thing.

Trying to get used to WItherbark's is, interesting

[wraith cosmos]

my other problem is that i do occasionally drop off envenom, usually when all the things need to reapply

[balmy condor]

sounds fairly normal

[wraith cosmos]

like have a 3 second window and my envenom garrote and rup all simultaneously dropping off

[balmy condor]

still sounds normal so far

[wraith cosmos]

oh no its perfectly normal

[hoary remnant]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1180129404031082546/dagger.webp

[wraith cosmos]

my brain just freezes when i have to do something

[balmy condor]

I see

[wraith cosmos]

there has been a case where i went ooga booga and ended up maintaining envenom instead of just letting it drop for the bleeds

[balmy condor]

did you already forget in the last 20 minutes

[wraith cosmos]

im not proud of it

[balmy condor]

@arctic hare aight fine you win I'll just call it a cleave build cause it's what it is

y'all are no fun

L

[arctic hare]

Lmao

[wraith cosmos]

cant think of a good one

[arctic hare]

I didn't mind CTeave THAT much though

[wraith cosmos]

ive got a bunch of very bad ones

[arctic hare]

Creave

Cause it's made us cry

[wraith cosmos]

Indiscriminate blindside?

[arctic hare]

Hmm

I feel like you're onto somethin

We were blindsided by it though, so hmm

Hmm

Silent Venom?

Lethal Precision?

Chat GPT comes in handy LMAO

@balmy condor I like that last one, whatdya think?

[meager granite]

ST with IC

[wraith cosmos]

its why ive tried to focus on the IC part of the name

[arctic hare]

But it also takes Arterial Precision, so

and then DTB along with it,

[wraith cosmos]

AP is single target too

[arctic hare]

shit, thats ST too

Hmm.

[wraith cosmos]

Dashing out, Carnage in

[meager granite]

ST for single target

Which is what it is 🙂

[arctic hare]

Venomous Carnage?

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/tropic-thunder-what-its-called-gif-25298499

[arctic hare]

Dragon's Carnage?

[keen spruce]

Arterial Carnage

[balmy condor]

[arctic hare]

I'm sticking with Dragon's Carnage

[marble hemlock]

Call it Cyaneave, because it has no crimson, and cyan is the opposite color of crimson

[arctic hare]

Hmm,

Cyanosis?

[balmy condor]

y'all super suck at this

ngl

[arctic hare]

YOU ASKED US LMAO

[marble hemlock]

i dont think its coincidence

that sub is cyan colored on this discord

[balmy condor]

I DIDNT THINK YOU GUYS WERE SO UNCREATIVE

[arctic hare]

MAN, if a build had sepsis we could call it Cyanosis

[balmy condor]

we'll just call it cleave that way people know what it does and what the point is

[arctic hare]

damn

[balmy condor]

and they don't have to pull out a thesaurus to understand the word

[arctic hare]

I mean, we've got Arterial Shock?

[balmy condor]

fucking Cyanosis

[arctic hare]

LOL, I thought it had something to do with Cyanide

[wraith cosmos]

the real question is

can we do worse

[balmy condor]

I'm always surprised when it ends up that way

[arctic hare]

I'm amazed you haven't learned.

Maybe it'd be better if more people were awake

[balmy condor]

I always try to believe in the good of humanity

I'm let down quite often

but it's okay

[arctic hare]

lmao, yeahhhhhhh

Though, I suppose Cyanosis wouldn't really work after Sepsis's animation gets changed

[marble hemlock]

dont get gaslight by him

blaming us for his inability to name a build smh

when all our suggestions are glorious

[arctic hare]

Did you ever figure out any good ones?

[marble hemlock]

names are stupid, wed all be better off just using numbers

no confusion that way

[arctic hare]

unTIL

[balmy condor]

I hate you seli

[arctic hare]

we add in meters and yards....

[marble hemlock]

get in line

[balmy condor]

job done

bed time

no more m+ builds

[arctic hare]

WAIT< before you go

[balmy condor]

that's it

sorry already in bed

[arctic hare]

do you have to write HTML to do that or?

[balmy condor]

honk shoo honk shoo

[balmy condor]

it's a bastardized version of bbcode

[arctic hare]

never heard of it, but cool

Go to bed, i'll do some research

[balmy condor]

bbcode is a bastardized version of html used in early forum boards in the late 90's

[arctic hare]

oh, awesome

[rotund oak]

it would actually be fun to give ur name or a feature into a build.You will also take credit for that.Like paleaontologists give names after certain characteristics or place.E.g ''Homo Erectus'' for the standing man.Now put something into cleave,like CyanCarnage cleave or more like CCC or CC-cleave

[wraith cosmos]

iCleave?

lol ok im done

im sorry you had to witness that

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean I named arterial shock and hybrid

but naming builds after people for example

is very weird

and it makes me icky

[rotund oak]

U made it so why make u anything lul

u weird

[balmy condor]

it's just the name of a build to refer to idk

it's not anyone's build

it doesn't belong to someone

[earnest remnant]

im gonna cook up the most disgusting sub build for m+ and call it "Trash Panda"

[balmy condor]

O