and our uptime
#assassination
mystic osprey
fallen knoll
What the hell are you cooking
mystic osprey
What the hell are you cooking
garrote 20 percent damage over entire dungeon is crazy good
because garrote is typically our #1 damage
@runic hinge the no scent build I sent earlier is bis apparently but it dont make sense to me
I tried tiny toxic instead of DTB but its not better
runic hinge
Because I like ap and dtb and wanna figure out them together. And since it’s keys you kinda need ic and obviously KB is goated
slate crown
Can you link the sim?
flint tusk
People need to bare in mind sudden demise proc isn’t calculated in sims.
runic hinge
Agreed. It’s hard to get things on the right when I want everything at the bottom on the left
mystic osprey
Agreed. It’s hard to get things on the right when I want everything at the botto...
if we make a thing of what is necessary
it should make this easier
do you want AMP>
I feel like no scent of blood should be a dps loss tho
idk why its not simming like that
runic hinge
No shrouded is definitely dps loss
runic hinge
Listen I’d give it a shot but dtb without amp is so 
fallen knoll
Dslice sims are pretty weird so you should probably try it on dummies or sum, that build has to perform worse
mystic osprey
thats what I was thinking as well
and then I saw someone using it on a 22
doing 1.3m burst and doing 250k overall
im running another sim on a couple of builds
mystic osprey
no iron wire is pretty shit for the dungeon group but im gonna test a build without it
fallen knoll
Do you have the vod
forest notch
50-60 parses decent considering im like 10ivl below the norm? or should I be higher ideally
runic hinge
It’s not your video is it?
mystic osprey
nope
runic hinge
Probably not then
mystic osprey
well if I get muted we know why
runic hinge
😂
runic hinge
I’ll try it tomorrow in my morning key
kind hare
Do I have to maintain 5 ruptures in envenom chains?
mystic osprey
Do I have to maintain 5 ruptures in envenom chains?
Bleeds is #1 prio
kind hare
After IC?
kind hare
Imo i deal more smg just chaining envenoms in aoe
Ok I will keep practicing this
And garrote only once right? I mean when all cds are down
whole mason
why put your faith in scent
mystic osprey
try spread garrote when you can
whole mason
scent imho not very strong
mystic osprey
why put your faith in scent
because it can give +20 percent agility
willow barn
How man rupture do we aktually apply
mystic osprey
How man rupture do we aktually apply
all of them
willow barn
I mean aoe m+ we rly dot all?
vestal wren
try to sim vs.
BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEJJJhEEAAAAAASJJSLJAAAAAAgWSCSgkkSaJRERkEJRSTJSAA
whole mason
as a burst spec, 20% agi is probably ok on power level but very situational for a whole key unless you find a way to get 5ruptures all the time
that's perhaps why sim does not like it
mystic osprey
I mean aoe m+ we rly dot all?
try to
if you need to do damage quick get kb up as fast a possible
runic hinge
How man rupture do we aktually apply
You want at least 6 to keep your energy saturated
whole mason
when you sim Dslice, there aren't that many combat we have that multiple targets surviving long enough
mystic osprey
try to sim vs.
```BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEJJJhEEAAAAAASJJSLJAAAAAAgWSCSgkkSaJ...
sure
royal lantern
CD timings feel bad on Nymue
not really?
fallen knoll
scent imho not very strong
Scent is so good it's almost an option in st as well wth
royal lantern
like you said
dm+kb on nymue, solo KB on add
thats the entire fight for you cd wise
nymue is almost perfect for assa timings lol
runic hinge
I need to not get stunned on that fight. My brain just doesn’t see those things. Look too much like the floor
runic hinge
Probably should
jade abyss
How you play everbloom endboss? Sendind dm and all the stuff on add or only kb?
whole mason
Scent is so good it's almost an option in st as well wth
4% 2pt for st?
royal lantern
reminder that 1 in 12 Men has some form of colorblindness/color weakness, most just dont know it
try out colorblind aids
fallen knoll
Only men?
fallen knoll
royal lantern
its WAY more common in men
mystic osprey
I dont think im colour blind
whole mason
that's unfortunately true
runic hinge
How you play everbloom endboss? Sendind dm and all the stuff on add or only kb?
Depends on how much group is handling it. If add dies easily then it’s whatever send everything on boss. If it doesn’t maybe try lining up cds for spatter when add comes. If it’s really bad save cds for add
jade abyss
Men are playong to much games in there childhood thats the reason
forest notch
thats the entire fight for you cd wise
DM gets way out of sync moving to the add
but ya outside of that
stable atlas
How you play everbloom endboss? Sendind dm and all the stuff on add or only kb?
if u can live send whenever add isnt up cuz boss takes extra dmg
royal lantern
Only men?
if you wanna know why, tl:dr genetics time:
colorblindess/weakness is a genetic mutation in our X chromosomes
for men too have it, only the X chromosomes need too have it because men have 1 X and 1 Y
for women it needs too be on both X chromosomes, so its WAY more rare
jade abyss
Depends on how much group is handling it. If add dies easily then it’s whatever ...
Mostly not good and the add lives forever, when i not send my stuff into it
vestal wren
your build simmed well
yes, but its not taking iron wire
royal lantern
which is kinda cringe
mystic osprey
its pretty troll
runic hinge
yes, but its not taking iron wire
Can’t have that
royal lantern
no IW lol
jade abyss
if you wanna know why, tl:dr genetics time:
colorblindess/weakness is a genetic...
You are a biologist D: ?
vestal wren
it was the highest simming one i found
fallen knoll
if you wanna know why, tl:dr genetics time:
colorblindess/weakness is a genetic...
The more you know, thx for the lore
neat plank
yeah those builds aren't meant to be "best builds", just highest simming ones
jade abyss
nah, the fluffiest welder in the world
I was believing :(
vestal wren
yeah those builds aren't meant to be "best builds", just highest simming ones
its one data point, you don't always take whats highest simming in m+
runic hinge
check colorblind setting
I use colorblind settings on some games just to make things easy. I’m not sure I’m colorblind super bad but like light blue on green and it’s just not popping into my brain that I need to avoid that. Maybe I’m just too focused on WA
mystic osprey
vestal wren
e.g. not taking iron wire is kinda meh, it is as strong as stunning secret, if not even stronger
vestal wren
e.g. not taking iron wire is kinda meh, it is as strong as stunning secret, if n...
and stunning secret was removed^^
runic hinge
Iron wire is crazy strong.
fervent marsh
Guys anyone can send that picture about nerfs predictions?
about DH and assa single nerf
runic hinge
Silence and damage reduction on top. Gotta have it
vestal wren
Guys anyone can send that picture about nerfs predictions?
moment
runic hinge
I predict we don’t get touched because we’re perfectly balanced.
mystic osprey
this build has done a +26 and is the highest key
whole mason
not sure why ppl predict assa's nerf.
vestal wren
alright, picture of the nerfs, i put a lot of effort into making this
whole mason
lots of specs were top due to PI
mystic osprey
this build has done a +26 and is the highest key
runic hinge
this build has done a +26 and is the highest key
Yeah this is with a group where they don’t have to worry about doing aoe. That’s why no ct
mystic osprey
226 of the top 3k use it
whole mason
alright, picture of the nerfs, i put a lot of effort into making this
how am i supposing reading it?
mystic osprey
im gonna sim it
vestal wren
this build has done a +26 and is the highest key
i had a high simming one without CT too, but CT did beat it in the end
interessting build tho
vestal wren
how am i supposing reading it?
prefered in dark mode
runic hinge
It does really good damage but you gotta be running with like a dh and stuff to kill trash for you
mystic osprey
DH
fallen knoll
If you got a strong aoe group sure you can go pretty much full st
mystic osprey
yeah only problem with sin is that if you got a high aoe group you got no dmg
it sucks
at least in low keys
even at high keys though when dh do 1m+ burst along with hunters instantly what can you do
fallen knoll
It's a mixed bag, in low keys shit just dies too fast before you ramp up yeah, but the initial dmg is there, and if you get a target to kb like the first packs in brh you're clappin
faint birch
hey guys, anyone can advice how to do an opener? also we apply shiv and envenom before or after the kingsbane cast?
neat plank
interessting build tho
I like it cause I've found rupture and SD to be underperforming for me personally in m+. I do best when I just focus on envenom explosions
mystic osprey
no ct simmed above AP
mystic osprey
hey guys, anyone can advice how to do an opener? also we apply shiv and envenom ...
before and during
runic hinge
I mean if shit is dying idc my overall. Also I just avoid sending cds into first pack cause everyone else does and then I can slam second pack solo
mystic osprey
before and during
On AOE or ST?
faint birch
before and during
i know that shiv should cover the kingsbane, envenom should be already active then when kingsbane is cast?
mystic osprey
i know that shiv should cover the kingsbane, envenom should be already active th...
yeah
so pretty much
faint birch
Thank you hehe
mystic osprey
we go from stealth and spread garrote rupture, if you need more bleed send CT earlier, then we go slice and dice, envenom (sometimes I mutilate before bc of caustic spatter), deathmark, shiv, SD + KB, shiv at 7 seconds, thistle at 6 and vanish at 3 if youre doing straight st
apart from that its mainly just priority
honestly though im sort of looking into outlaw rogue because it does burst damage way quicker
and sin is probably gonna get nerfed hardcore like shadow priest
fallen knoll
Isn't outlaw giga dependent on rng or something
fallen knoll
I've never played anything else besides sin and a bit of sub but heard that outlaw is like playing slots, mashing buttons and hoping for the best
frigid cedar
where can i find nice plater for assasination m+ keys?
its a bit hard to see ruptures on big packs
garrotes mroe importantly
quiet oar
Isn't outlaw giga dependent on rng or something
All rogue specs are kinda the same rng
frigid cedar
outlaw is for sure the rng god out of three
quiet oar
Just by a little
runic hinge
where can i find nice plater for assasination m+ keys?
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
runic hinge
I use Cev’s personally
frigid cedar
thanks tony
runic hinge
mystic osprey
It's just sorta annoying that I cant insta burst a fuck load
quiet oar
outlaw is for sure the rng god out of three
fallen knoll
It's just sorta annoying that I cant insta burst a fuck load
Well we're a dot spec
quiet oar
Outlaw is 0.2% more rng than sin 
mystic osprey
I used to love dots but im sorta getting annoyed about dots
runic hinge
Outlaw is 0.2% more rng than sin <:Okay:1068635818345889923>
Gamba the KB crits and if you crit the last 2 you do like half a million more damage
fallen knoll
Used to play a bit of fdk in s2 and obliteration was hella fun, I can definitely see your point
runic hinge
But people think it’s less because it’s just 2 seconds instead of RTB
quiet oar
Gamba the KB crits and if you crit the last 2 you do like half a million more da...
Ye exactly
mystic osprey
outlaw ez af isnt it
runic hinge
simple but fast
fallen knoll
ez carpal tunnel
quiet oar
Easy to Pick up
frigid cedar
cant be outlaw has rolls + pistol procs + bte procs
quiet oar
Hard to master
frigid cedar
it depends what talent tree u play
mystic osprey
Hard to master
yeah
runic hinge
quiet oar
But people think it’s less because it’s just 2 seconds instead of RTB
Ye like beacon
quiet oar
<:feelcraft:619621599997591553>
Ye exactly
runic hinge
Beacon but a one minute timer
Amazing having a non-dm kb crit every proc and do over 2 million and having my dm kb get super unlucky and do 1.7
Getting high roll on the next DM and doing 3.5
mystic osprey
Ye exactly
this M+ build right
quiet oar
Rc Kir does more in m+
forest notch
if lusting first intermission on smold should I save DM and just use KB on pull ?
use DM with lust?
quiet oar
if lusting first intermission on smold should I save DM and just use KB on pull ...
Ye thsts what i did on heroic
fallen knoll
"make sure you have instant poison applied"
Does outlaw rotation guide really say that
runic hinge
use DM with lust?
Use dm with lust. If they lust on pull dm. If they list on intermission use it then
runic hinge
Does outlaw rotation guide really say that
Gotta hit the character count
mystic osprey
Does outlaw rotation guide really say that
yep
😢
I can see how people find this fnu
its ez af
lmao
faint birch
do we somehow play around sanguine blades on single target?
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
mystic osprey
do we somehow play around sanguine blades on single target?
if you have 4p no
mystic osprey
yeah
faint birch
So with 4P i am just trying to keep envenom buff as much as possible while refreshing it with 1s or less remaining?
fallen knoll
You've read it correctly
runic hinge
Kinda miss poisoned edges that thing was clappin in m+
Yeah except I couldn’t get a meld restealth with it
simple ore
Kinda miss poisoned edges that thing was clappin in m+
it was buggy af though, made meld worthless because it kept you in combat
faint birch
how does chaining the envenom helps the 4p though
arctic tusk
simple ore
how does chaining the envenom helps the 4p though
it's not to help the 4p, it's to pool energy
faint birch
ah, makes sense, thank you
simple ore
you keep chaining so you never drop the buff while also pooling energy
fallen knoll
how does chaining the envenom helps the 4p though
Watch the vid to see how it's done
runic hinge
it was buggy af though, made meld worthless because it kept you in combat
Hey I said that
faint birch
didnt notice the video was just reading, thanks
leaden bloom
Is there a way we can get the devs to remove Recuperator. I get they don't want us to take Acrobatic Strikes, but its just terrible.
runic hinge
quiet oar
Is there a way we can get the devs to remove Recuperator. I get they don't want...
They changed those to Talents with 10.2
To have acro in a worse plsce
It was on purpose
leaden bloom
which i get, but put something else there Recup is just terrible, did 40k over a 25m DHT 20
fallen knoll
Is there a way we can get the devs to remove Recuperator. I get they don't want...
I once had a dream where they switched recu position with acrobatic in talent tree, it was beautiful, but I've got used to not having it anymore
leaden bloom
my other self healing did 12mil
mystic osprey
@heroic smolderon
runic hinge
I think it’s bugged rn
quiet oar
which i get, but put something else there Recup is just terrible, did 40k over a...
I mean its for constant dmg
runic hinge
And it stops when you vanish
quiet oar
Not Spike dmg
leaden bloom
looks like it only procs on casting slice and dice which we dont do as sin
quiet oar
I think it’s bugged rn
Wait huh
desert spire
What’s the best sim time window currently for assin? Is it still 5 min?
simple ore
which i get, but put something else there Recup is just terrible, did 40k over a...
that doesn't sound like it's doing the right amount of healing, by default it should be doing ~3.5k hps (1% of 700k+ hp per 2 seconds), so 40k is like 12 seconds of healing
runic hinge
Wait huh
I’m on mobile so I can’t find it rn
Realz was asking if anyone knew the conditions for why it wasn’t healing and I said it stopped after you vanished but he wanted more info and maybe some logs
This was a few weeks ago
leaden bloom
at least he knows about it, i guess
still just a piece of garbage
the talent not Realz 😛
faint path
idk why this sims good
can you share code
peak lake
Hey guys was looking at ppl not using ambush exept with blindside procs, is that only for kb ?
peak lake
and why the fuck ambush is hidden in wclog casts
plain onyx
Hey guys was looking at ppl not using ambush exept with blindside procs, is that...
Yes you use once with the opener and then you always use with blindside proccs
It*
grim jay
Hey guys was looking at ppl not using ambush exept with blindside procs, is that...
You always ambush over mut if you can
peak lake
You always ambush over mut if you can
na that's the thing, top log dont
grim jay
Toplogs arent always optimal 
peak lake
was comparing my 80 nimue to the top log
it is here 😉
mutilate is double hit
double poison application
earnest remnant
we are talking 200dps in a sim
peak lake
when all our gameplay is around kb
earnest remnant
it realyl doesent matter
peak lake
it is that little ?
grim jay
Brother if Whispyr says you just ambush, he thought about the scenarios and what the spells do
earnest remnant
it is that little ?
yes
simple ore
we are talking 200dps in a sim
but that 200dps is the difference between 80 and 100 parses smh my head
earnest remnant
4 sure is
peak lake
bru don't bm 😉 ofc i did some other fails and my priest was dead for the last burst at 6mn, but still looking what i can improve for minmax
twilit hollow
200 dps is a rounding error. You can rng more dps than that in a good pull. Focus the basics
peak lake
was just wondering why i did 5m less on the same number of kb when im pressing same spells at same moment exept for mut / ambush (and ofc he got lucky with poison app on kb burst)
simple ore
bru don't bm 😉 ofc i did some other fails and my priest was dead for the last b...
idk, get the basics down first then worry about small minmaxes
stiff crane
post the logs if you really care
fallen knoll
was just wondering why i did 5m less on the same number of kb when im pressing s...
Prolly mastery diff
peak lake
idk, get the basics down first then worry about small minmaxes
There is a difference between practical improvements, which I just have to master, and theoretical improvements which I don't apply at all. I just wanted to find out about this use of mutilate, no need to be unpleasant 😉
na i have more mastery than him
simple ore
I don't think that was being unpleasant but ok
grim jay
it is here 😉
Isnt quite the way to find stuff out
peak lake
I don't think that was being unpleasant but ok
just the "but that 200dps is the difference between 80 and 100 parses smh my head", maybe i missunderstood, sorry then
quiet oar
upper spear
ya fuck
fallen knoll
Fuck this emoji fr
simple ore
was just wondering why i did 5m less on the same number of kb when im pressing s...
you spent 5 seconds not hitting the boss in one of your KB windows
probably why you did less damage with kb than the other guy
fallen knoll
😉
upper spear
😉
grim jay
it is that little ?
#assassination message
For a full explanation
keen spruce
peak lake
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923750073499648/1176022935664...
thanks
shut canopy
peak lake
probably why you did less damage with kb than the other guy
i knew this, big soak was late and got stunned on it trying to get my branch orb 😦
Part of the "fails" i mentionned, but even on others KB window he deal way more than me, i guess its mainly luck
grim jay
Usually luck only really matters if you get close to the 100s
forest notch
Do we have a "best" race? I run M+ and Mythic raid. Im currently Dwarf for the bleed remove but I also hate being alliance lol.
grim jay
Dang
quiet oar
grim jay
Do we have a "best" race? I run M+ and Mythic raid. Im currently Dwarf for the...
You can play whatever you want tbf
simple ore
Do we have a "best" race? I run M+ and Mythic raid. Im currently Dwarf for the...
no, races are a small difference for damage
grim jay
Difference is small
shut canopy
Do we have a "best" race? I run M+ and Mythic raid. Im currently Dwarf for the...
One that looks the coolest
fallen knoll
Outlaws malding
earnest remnant
lets not yeah?
keen spruce
<:DuckShy:924373506421043240>
forest notch
is there no class section in the guides anymore?
quiet oar
Stealthi cleaning up 
fallen knoll
Bro just pick the one you like the most, minmaxing on races smh
neat plank
Bro just pick the one you like the most, minmaxing on races smh
I mean, It's hard for me to imagine playing without shadowmeld
raven egret
inb4 the "dwarf meta", doesnt matter!
grim jay
I mean, It's hard for me to imagine playing without shadowmeld
Idk I dont like it
neat rain
Anyone know why Whispyr recommends the rings out of BRH instead of a crafted ring?
forest notch
ya I know dmg is basically the same. Im curious which has best utility for us in PvE scenarios
grim jay
ya I know dmg is basically the same. Im curious which has best utility for us i...
But usually human
forest notch
oops
grim jay
Or smth that removes cc
forest notch
PvE
fallen knoll
Undead too
neat plank
Idk I dont like it
why not? I use it for extra restealthing in m+ and canceling mechanics
grim jay
Anyone know why Whispyr recommends the rings out of BRH instead of a crafted rin...
Crafted rings have lower ilvl and you dont want to craft rings too early anyways
earnest remnant
Stealthi cleaning up <:pepe_chad:1022918986737926225>
yeh i dunno why people gotta be so hostile man, fcking exhausting
forest notch
like if I was to ask a 3500 player what I should be for M+ I feel like they would have an oppinon but I dont know anyone lol. Any in here
earnest remnant
dwarf
grim jay
why not? I use it for extra restealthing in m+ and canceling mechanics
I like the stun removal and human looks better 
fallen knoll
Are you a 3500 player
earnest remnant
nah
quiet oar
yeh i dunno why people gotta be so hostile man, fcking exhausting
Some People are just to emotional
fallen knoll
Asking archer
quiet oar
Idk man
forest notch
no but its my goal this league. Going to be pushing very hard
neat rain
Well I was gonna get my ring from last season that has a flavor pocket recrafted with the enchanted wyrm crest is that a bad idea?
grim jay
Some People are just to emotional
What emotional do you wanna start a fight
forest notch
only 3k atm though so a long way to go but doesnt mean I dont want to pick the most useful class for it
fallen knoll
forest notch
Dwarf does seem like it, I was just hoping there was some magical horde option I didnt think about
quiet oar
What emotional do you wanna start a fight
Come here you fuck 
simple ore
only 3k atm though so a long way to go but doesnt mean I dont want to pick the m...
best utility is entirely subjective
earnest remnant
only 3k atm though so a long way to go but doesnt mean I dont want to pick the m...
i was 3715 last season, and dwarf is just to good for m+
simple ore
do you prefer defensives, do you wanna restealth more for iron wire/bleeds?
simple ore
for burst damage maybe, but I think tauren is better overall damage
forest notch
do you prefer defensives, do you wanna restealth more for iron wire/bleeds?
I want to be alive to do dmg so I usually strive for defences
and with the bleeds this league
I will probably have to remain dwarf
simple ore
it sounds to me more like you're just finding any reason to swap off dwarf
so do it
and play something you actually wanna play
mystic osprey
how to get acro from here
subtle tundra
basically, you domt
quiet oar
Ye
fallen knoll
So don't
forest notch
it sounds to me more like you're just finding any reason to swap off dwarf
more wondering if there was anything people considered better than dwarf. I can live with it though.
quiet oar
Exactly
forest notch
Just sucks for crafting as im on Area 52 and theres like no alliance
grim jay
<a:pepestab:1139020226067964004>
forest notch
but thats a short term problem
quiet oar
Just sucks for crafting as im on Area 52 and theres like no alliance
Go on a hord char
And search in trade Chat for a crafter
mystic osprey
do youg uys pop cds on smolderon instantly
like dm
or just wait for intermission
forest notch
And search in trade Chat for a crafter
ohhh can horde craft for ally I jsut cant message them?
forest notch
cause then that solves my issues
quiet oar
ohhh can horde craft for ally I jsut cant message them?
Yes
still stirrup
@forest notch what do you need?
icy acorn
do youg uys pop cds on smolderon instantly
on pull and then depending on fight lenght for the second intermission or third
forest notch
<@142724825197182976> what do you need?
nothing anymoer this week but if you can crafr in future I will keep you on hand
mystic osprey
ill test it
icy acorn
that what he Tiramil says
still stirrup
I can do all leather LW
icy acorn
or you just play sub as it basicly plays itself in that fight
still stirrup
Just drop me a dm if you need something
icy acorn
just to never touch it again
icy acorn
i rather oof myself then playing dust sub
same but ive tried it once on hc and it actually felt good in that particular fight as you just send cds on pull + every intermission without thinking much
earnest remnant
based
subtle tundra
i guess thats how it is with me
either absolutely love me or absolutely hate me
faint path
who said that build is good jesus
earnest remnant
nah varas im indifferent
subtle tundra
nah varas im indifferent
do you love oxi? oxi loves me therefore you should love me
;3
icy acorn
i have to send half of my second KB into the nymue intermission shield because otherwise i dont have cds for pi lmao
fallen knoll
who said that build is good jesus
Somebody was cooking up with this one here earlier, how did it go
Cuz it ain't looking good
silk bane
do you love oxi? oxi loves me therefore you should love me
oxi loves me too
quiet oar
i have to send half of my second KB into the nymue intermission shield because o...
Is your priest not that smart?
subtle tundra
fake fan
silk bane
get jelly
icy acorn
Is your priest not that smart?
its a shadowpriest that sends his cds on cooldown 
faint path
Somebody was cooking up with this one here earlier, how did it go
its shit
mystic osprey
I tried baby kb
quiet oar
mystic osprey
I did shit dmg
icy acorn
and if i send my kb into the tree, ill have like 15-20 sec more cooldown than he has on his pi
mystic osprey
I dont get pi
quiet oar
and if i send my kb into the tree, ill have like 15-20 sec more cooldown than he...
Ye i know
mystic osprey
they dont know how strong pi is for assassin
subtle tundra
my guild knows and i dont get it
icy acorn
just seeing that pi tick down without having cooldowns feels so bad
quiet oar
My priest apl lied pi randomly in us two rogues
icy acorn
oof
quiet oar
He gsve it to the one who Pressed kb first
icy acorn
thats even worse
quiet oar
Which was kinda annoying because pulls were not consistent
subtle tundra
our cds suck for smolderon
you still get kb for every intermission and dm for 2 of them
icy acorn
i would just do the shortened opener to always get pi
quiet oar
Sometimes you had energy overflow
subtle tundra
and one of the dm with BL and execute
quiet oar
Sometimes you dont
mystic osprey
you still get kb for every intermission and dm for 2 of them
yeah but the lust doesnt line up properly
subtle tundra
it does
faint path
Weird part is my sim also agree with ryan about that build
subtle tundra
yeah but the lust doesnt line up properly
if you lust third intermission
as most guilds do
mystic osprey
we lust first intermission
simple ore
you have CDs for first intermission tho
mystic osprey
not DM
simple ore
hold DM for it?
icy acorn
if you hold dm on pull you have
quiet oar
What else did you do
mystic osprey
yeah but my dps is shit if I do
quiet oar
Huh
mystic osprey
our guild has a problem with soaking orbs
hardy dagger
Or just play sub
mystic osprey
so I dont get much dps uptime then
mystic osprey
I know
simple ore
the rest of your raid have no impact on your damage during intermission
mystic osprey
I feel like if I dont go out I could be accused of not picking up my orbs
earnest remnant
then prove them wrong?
simple ore
tell them to check logs and ignore them?
earnest remnant
logs exists
simple ore
you can literally see it in details, don't even need logs
keen spruce
fking
mystic osprey
sure
keen spruce
discord
willow scroll
I just noticed the Sims use bark before vanish close to end of kingsbane while the guide says to use it with mark? sims are wrong here i quess?
simple ore
details will show 1 application and 4 reapplications of the orbs debuff
mystic osprey
im gonna snort a quick line
simple ore
if you got all your orbs
icy acorn
the rest of your raid have no impact on your damage during intermission
except a priest that sends his pi on pull :D
true drum
Guys the dagger from fall is bis cause the 3rd secondary stat?
simple ore
yes
mystic osprey
yes
simple ore
I just noticed the Sims use bark before vanish close to end of kingsbane while t...
you have 3 orbs for 10 seconds of KB if you pick them up correctly so idk why it's showing that in sims
branch should cover the last 3 seconds regardless
keen spruce
I just noticed the Sims use bark before vanish close to end of kingsbane while t...
it doesn't? 
willow scroll
keen spruce
link sim
willow scroll
i just did quick sim on raidbots
quiet oar
Shmeeps is 
fallen knoll
Looks like it
willow scroll
i have double on use but it doesnt use the first one
simple ore
wouldn't double on use be longer than 21 seconds unless it's doing some prepull shenanigans
willow scroll
so i tought its not about that
quiet oar
Ladys and gentleman we got him
keen spruce
lofty jay
is blazefury the best neck you can get? or are high 480 necks better
simple ore
pins
keen spruce
is blazefury the best neck you can get? or are high 480 necks better
assas dgaf abotu that neck
quiet oar
Shmeeps madge
icy acorn
we want that tindral neck right?
willow scroll
tought it be named like the bark if it was the trinked
quiet oar
<:hmmAprove:1037924115018956910>
You got him shmeeps
keen spruce
go get sandglass
quiet oar
we want that tindral neck right?
Or the one out of dht
icy acorn
hes cooking
keen spruce
grim forge
Hello to the rogues - Venge DH tank main here. First tier tanking properly in keys and I've had a few assas rogues comment on not being able to 're-stealth' between packs and it being a net dps loss for the group over the course of a key.
This week is obviously a lot worse for re-stealth with spiteful, but how much/often (if at all) should I wait for combat to fully expire before pulling the next pack to accomodate a Sin rogues stealth? (for arguments sake lets say I'm playing with a Mage and a Lock who are ready to blast next pack immediately)
The fact that every other player in the group can blast the next pack, and not have time idle seems like a no brainer, but the assas rogues seem to think otherwise. Can anyone give a non bias view?
grim forge
davs been typin for like
lmao
quiet oar
Hello to the rogues - Venge DH tank main here. First tier tanking properly in ke...
!restealth
prisma monolithBOT
Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
- You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
keen spruce
Hello to the rogues - Venge DH tank main here. First tier tanking properly in ke...
restealthing is a personal annoyance. It is not a group dps loss to chain pull. If they're complaining they're dum.
like when it's a spiteful week. assas is just on their own. don't play around shit.
If it's a normal week. just don't chain like one mob with 5% HP cuz that's just annoying. either chain 4-5 mobs in to actually be efficient. or let combat drop. @grim forge
simple ore
only reason I'd ever consider waiting for restealth is for more iron wires
icy acorn
as long as you dont chain pull when the last mob has like 10% hp left its fine imo
mystic osprey
194k on smolderon
icy acorn
in spiteful dont even care about it tbh
mystic osprey
6k under my sim
simple ore
smolderon has damage amps why would you compare it to sim dps
barren vale
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
fallen knoll
Especially in spiteful chain pulling doesn't change anything cuz most people just ignore them and move further
quiet oar
194k on smolderon
simple ore
go farm fall
simple ore
then why are you calling raid dagger bis
icy acorn
bis drop from raid would be igira
lofty jay
not having double nick of time is basically throwing
mystic osprey
for me
fallen knoll
Well it's the best one you can get in the raid
mystic osprey
from my droptimiser
faint path
guys hows that for everbloom 21 ?
mystic osprey
guys hows that for everbloom 21 ?
me personally I quad that dps in my sleep 🗿
tawny geyser
not having double nick of time is basically throwing
What is the actual benefit of Nick of time? It gives haste...
simple ore
timestrike
tawny geyser
Thats a new stat, right? What does it do? Faster auto attacks or?
mystic osprey
idk
simple ore
basically 1% more damage
mystic osprey
it just do damage
tawny geyser
"gives your attacks/abilities/spells a chance to leave a debuff on your target that deals a portion of it's damage a 2nd time after 3 seconds."
ah yes
opaque oriole
simple ore
it's 10% chance to do 10% damage again, so 1% overall
fallen knoll
ilvl still beats it tho
tawny geyser
Yeah...ill use my next spark on dagger and try to farm at least one Nick
forest notch
When im in "Stealth" mod (Vanish, dance, leaving stealth etc) Should I always Ambush > Mutilate? (I guess outside of AOE situations if I want Splatter, unless ambush also triggers splatter)
simple ore
ambush triggers splatter
forest notch
ambush triggers splatter
ahh nice, nm then
mystic osprey
I dont want to do it
keen spruce
that's not enough
fallen knoll
Not enough
keen spruce
how many exactly tho
mystic osprey
I havent even seen a dagger drop in M+ at all
keen spruce
simple ore
took me 35 for my dagger lol
forest notch
so basically always Ambush > Mutilate when possible
mystic osprey
Ive farmed atal dazar for soulrenders as well
tawny geyser
I havent even seen a dagger drop in M+ at all
maybe next Vault will provide it for you 😛
simple ore
so basically always Ambush > Mutilate when possible
simply put yes
forest notch
simply put yes
whats the non simple answer haha
mystic osprey
no
keen spruce
this is an audit
mystic osprey
No
keen spruce
simple ore
whats the non simple answer haha
very tiny damage gain by using mut over ambush in DM specifically
fallen knoll
I dropped my first on like a 3rd runs, still had to do 12 more for sandglass, myth ad dagger in vault I don't care about that place anymore
forest notch
very tiny damage gain by using mut over ambush in DM specifically
ahh ok, ill look into that later
keen spruce
simple ore
it's like 0.06%
simple ore
it's not worth thinking about
mystic osprey
I dropped my first on like a 3rd runs, still had to do 12 more for sandglass, my...
my first drop was sandglass
champ :(
keen spruce
I got 3 of both 
simple ore
fuk u
tawny geyser
Why is it called Nicholas tho
fallen knoll
Champ tho, you're not free from that place
simple ore
I've done 35
tawny geyser
Ouch
simple ore
:(
grand trail
If I got two Nicholas on hero track out of 3 runs, what's chance for that? And that I replaced one Nicholas with mythic spear boss dagger day later?
mystic osprey
attractive healers
quiet oar
<a:DinkDonk1:1008355851259613255>
I have 20 and have one champ and hero track
forest notch
feels good that I got one today then
quiet oar
keen spruce
If I got two Nicholas on hero track out of 3 runs, what's chance for that? And t...
sec
forest notch
and im going to get a myth track one in my vault
grand trail
Surely you do
fallen knoll
quiet oar
grand trail
I pulled two mythic tier set from vault, legs and chest with avoidance. Can't complain
mystic osprey
will probably focus farm the trinket from EB next
this trinket?
tawny geyser
I got that one yesterday, and it didnt drop for me but for my guildie druid and he gave it to me..gave him 10k gold just as a thanks! he saved me from farming
forest notch
this trinket?
yessss
umbral summit
3 HC clears, 3 normal clears, 3 vaults, 21 Fall runs, 11 Atal'Dazar runs and I'm progressing Mythic raid with 447 crafted dagger and 441 offhand from m+0 megadungeon
tawny geyser
But I still need to learn how to use it...from what ive heard you need to move away from the orbs and time it with KB or smt like that
forest notch
This dmg profile look right? Igira.
mystic osprey
This dmg profile look right? Igira.
what ilvl
keen spruce
@grand trail it's a 1.0152% chance to get 2 nicks in 3 runs
grand trail
Not bad
lofty jay
so there's 101% chance to get it in 300 runs
grand trail
That's why I don't have crab or mydas
forest notch
I think I was out of range lol
mystic osprey
did you die in fight?
forest notch
no
keen spruce
This dmg profile look right? Igira.
spatter should be higher, Sanguine blades should be higher
but you really only have control over blades
bad spears = bad spatter
royal lantern
attractive healers
the fuck is the holy doing there
like
bruh
learn too play holy lol
forest notch
I actually dont know what Sanguine blades does. Ill go look now
keen spruce
I actually dont know what Sanguine blades does. Ill go look now
it just means you're not pooling correctly
mystic osprey
I actually dont know what Sanguine blades does. Ill go look now
above 150 ewnergy your damage on garrote and rupture does more dmg I cant remember it just does a lot
forest notch
ohhh ok so ideally I want to always keep energy above 150 when I can
faint path
me personally I quad that dps in my sleep 🗿
Guys what talents are u playing for 20+ keys ?
royal lantern
above 150 ewnergy your damage on garrote and rupture does more dmg I cant rememb...
not really alot
forest notch
but like u asked about damage breakdown <:shrugFreg:1002602382292684892>
ya this still useful to know though so thanks
keen spruce
just go read the pooling part of the guide
forest notch
k
keen spruce
on wowhead
lofty jay
whyspr's videos explain very well
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
mystic osprey
Guys what talents are u playing for 20+ keys ?
depends ur party
faint path
depends ur party
we have dh dps and bm but when I play dragon tempered I feel like my aoe so low
mystic osprey
we have dh dps and bm but when I play dragon tempered I feel like my aoe so low
yeah
feels bad
use arterial
youre gonna probs struggle
faint path
use arterial
right I changed flying daggers but not sure yet
grand trail
No idea
mystic osprey
right I changed flying daggers but not sure yet
this builds fine
icy acorn
gaunt moat
But I played legendary spatter build on nymue
Whar are you cleaving on nymue? 🤔
royal lantern
But I played legendary spatter build on nymue
just showing us how worthless assa logs are rn
grand trail
Nothing
gaunt moat
just crit with kb many times and thats it, good log
And get juiced by PI and aug
icy acorn
the difference between getting pi from healer and from shadow is like playing a different spec
mystic osprey
guys dont forget to spam poisoned knife
grand trail
We had on our realm some wanna be top 20 guild disbanded on smolderon
We milked their enha so I'm happy
royal lantern
And get juiced by PI and aug
man, fuck this KB only bullshit
allready getting sick of it
gaunt moat
Last volocross kill i had 13% wafting devotion proc.
Was 3rd on DPS.
IT WAS INSULTING.
But yeah, they said they wanna make sin be more skill expression.
Feels even more RNG expression.
The variance between pulls is immense.
icy acorn
how much skill does it take to send the same rotation of buttons every 1 and 2 mins
grand trail
A lot
icy acorn
a lot if KB doesnt crit
grand trail
When you play branch all skill in the world
royal lantern
take some dmg out of KB and put it somewhere else
do sanguine blades if you wanna jerk off the SkIlLeXpReSsIoN fanatics
like man
kb doing dmg? sure
the spec turning into kingsbane? fuck no
grand trail
Assa players doing DMG = cry assay players not doing DMG = cry
karmic vale
Can someone explain why when i top Gear sim, ashes trinket is simming so low but simming so high on bloodmallet ?
gaunt moat
Pretty sure we got only until the 5th to do damage 
icy acorn
the only thing i realized while playing assa is realizing that pi should be removed
royal lantern
Assa players doing DMG = cry assay players not doing DMG = cry
man, i like doing dmg, i just dont want kingsbane too be the only thing that matters lol, its just oppresive rn
grand trail
Idk I don't mind kb
royal lantern
and ye, fuck pi
grand trail
It feel like sectech use to for sub
icy acorn
the difference between pi and no pi is way too big imo
grand trail
One pi two rogues
gaunt moat
The difference is like 5.3% I think?
icy acorn
or with an unholy dk and one healer pi and one shadow pi
grand trail
Idk about % buts it's like 10k on normal fight
icy acorn
shadow pi = 
grand trail
10k out of 240
Or 12k
This branch trinket is no joke, I popped it and than boss get moved and half way in opener I realize I pickup 0 orbs and had to sprint back
On larodar
willow scroll
is there a damage modifier in fall that can cause unnatural dmg numbers?
in a pack or a boss fight
willow scroll
okey cause a rogue ticked 1.1mil kingsbane but wasnt that much geared more so wanted to check
fallen knoll
Iridikron haste amp, that's about it in fall
subtle tundra
This branch trinket is no joke, I popped it and than boss get moved and half way...
It makes the game more fun for me
grand trail
hc ashes is simming like 4k less than branch for me
Yeah but that's with perfect orb pickup timings, if you play with timings little bit than it can be even or worse
willow scroll
https://i.gyazo.com/ab152bd778ca100f6b14d26002049342.png
okey thats the 1.1mil tick then
subtle tundra
Just play branch better
icy acorn
just play perfectly?
subtle tundra
And I think it only matters to have 3 stacks most of kb
subtle tundra
Smolderon was easy to play
icy acorn
smolderon will be the only time im willing to play sub
subtle tundra
Tindral mythic is impossible to use on pull
icy acorn
after that i wont ever touch sub again
subtle tundra
Nah smolderon assa is pretty close to sub
grand trail
Smolderon I don't care about pick up timings for orbs at all
Yay playing Assa on smolderon and stealing pi from others
Big yay
faint path
They should nerf bm hunter before rogue and dh
subtle tundra
How is it stealing
icy acorn
yeah but you dont need pi
and thats always good
and sub basicly plays itself on smolderon
grand trail
I give pi to hunter on smolderon im ethical gamer
icy acorn
+100 credit score
surreal citrus
I will never play sub 😩
icy acorn
i take any chance getting off of pi
grand trail
Where were those real assa last tier on progress
surreal citrus
i will however flip flop between ass and outlaw
grand trail
I saw none
subtle tundra
Where were those real assa last tier on progress
Benched
grand trail
I enjoy playing all spec I don't care
subtle tundra
Well we are in assa channel, I'll call you a poser
grand trail
But my brain is kinda melted after playing Assa this tier so sub feel hard all sudden
icy acorn
wasnt assa actually better than sub last tier
fallen knoll
Where were those real assa last tier on progress
Last tier was sub tier no
grand trail
It was
icy acorn
i just have some dmg graphs in memory that had sub as the second worst dps spec for the raid
idk
grand trail
I mean our RL don't give a fuck what spec you like you play what's better and thats how I like it too
icy acorn
you should always play what you like imo
its a game and most of us are not going for a rwf
so lets just have fun while playing it lmao
fallen knoll
Ever since legion I didn't switch from sin once, no matter how bottom of the barrel we were, I just enjoy playing it
icy acorn
i enjoyed sub until the rework
now assa feels like the pre rework sub with longer cooldowns + pooling
just send your cds and dont think about it too much 
grand trail
That's fine too tho
I told our second rogue to play assa on smolderon if he can't handle sub
icy acorn
valid point but sub on smolderon is actually playable
send everything on pull with 1 vanish and then send on every intermission with vanish after first sectec in flag windows
grand trail
True
It's very simple
As you do no DMG outside opener and intermission
You can do mechanics very easy and you have acro and better defensive
Cloak for every intermission and so on
icy acorn
what makes tindral so ass for assa
vestal wren
I don't remember but I think some of the rogues played sin on it in the wfr
icy acorn
didnt echo stick to assa and liquid went with sub or something like that?
on fyrakk as well
dark token
Opposite
forest notch
Just looking at a higher parse log than my own and noticed this. When I start my KB + Dance I usually use that time to apply an empowered garrot and Rupture but it seems this guy for exmple jsut does Ambush + Envenom, repeat. Is this waht we should be doing?
dark token
I told our second rogue to play assa on smolderon if he can't handle sub
Ye it's quite good
eternal quail
anyone had iridikron just dodge/parry kingsbane?
vestal wren
I told our second rogue to play assa on smolderon if he can't handle sub
That's perfectly fine
icy acorn
Just looking at a higher parse log than my own and noticed this. When I start m...
you usually would apply a garrote and then go for mutilate/ambush and envenom
dark token
Ye you only need people to not die to lava wave
To kill boss
And not wipe raid with orb
And bait fire correct
surreal citrus
does larodar have a damage amp phase
forest notch
Also are these just blindside procs? Or does shadowstep give stealth? (I couldnt find anything that says it does)
surreal citrus
cus I envenomed him for 400k yesterday and I'm not sure how 
forest notch
you usually would apply a garrote and then go for mutilate/ambush and envenom
Ignore the empwoered rupture then?
icy acorn
Ignore the empwoered rupture then?
fallen knoll
Empowered rupture is not a huge dps increase worth playing around
vestal wren
How much is it worth noisia?
fallen knoll
I remember a number being thrown around, something like 100 dps?
strange python
I’ve normally just played zugzug specs but the last couple days I’ve focused on sin rogue and it’s such a nice change of pace. I really enjoy the DoT type playstyle
vestal wren
Okay that's quite low
lofty junco
love all this wowhdead comments about "nerf assa to the ground"
poor DH fanboys don't want to share the top spot
icy acorn
biggest assa nerf would be removing aug and pi
imagine getting all externals known to man
and still wonder where the dmg comes from
pseudo hamlet
Also are these just blindside procs? Or does shadowstep give stealth? (I could...
pretty sure blindside, SS doesnt proc it
lofty junco
biggest assa nerf would be removing aug and pi
I'm fine as long as they don't nerf our gameplay
cursive owl
uh
icy acorn
im pretty sure they wont touch it so soon
cursive owl
question
icy acorn
more like a 3-5% aura nerf
fallen knoll
biggest assa nerf would be removing aug and pi
icy acorn
or kb/dmg nerf or something liike that
surreal citrus
blue checkmark
icy acorn
assa is really good, but it wouldnt outclass everything so hard if aug and pi wouldnt exist
cursive owl
do we refresh garrote and rupture in kb window with the dmg buff ? while at start, or do we do this at the end where u press vanish once, im currently stuck figuring out if spamming envenom during kb is more worth than refreshing garrot and rupture with extra buff
surreal citrus
iirc the rogue specs are p close without externals no?
icy acorn
do we refresh garrote and rupture in kb window with the dmg buff ? while at star...
apply garrote with after every KB
rupture just as it runs out
to keep it simple
zenith hatch
Is whispyr around? dont want to @ him if he is sleepin
cursive owl
apply garrote with after every KB
rupture just as it runs out
ok
icy acorn
iirc the rogue specs are p close without externals no?
yeah
marble hemlock
dw other classes stayed ahead of the curve thanks to pi/aug for months, so im sure we get nerfed after 3weeks 
surreal citrus
I feel like externals are probably just really hard to balance around
royal lantern
iirc the rogue specs are p close without externals no?
ye
fallen knoll
Make pi personal
icy acorn
make pi applyable to priest only
surreal citrus
did mage get nerfed in s2 when every single m+ comp was aug/spriest/mage
royal lantern
dw other classes stayed ahead of the curve thanks to pi/aug for months, so im su...
you forgot the old classic
warlock/mage getting buffed beyond the numbers rogue does rn
icy acorn
oh shoot, warlock not topping the dps meters?
royal lantern
god 10.0 was a fun ride
icy acorn
buff everything by 50%
fallen knoll
Make pi personal delete aug after df call it a social experiment and we good
royal lantern
Make pi personal delete aug after df call it a social experiment and we good <:S...
THIS
surreal citrus
I'm primarily a shaman player who has long since accepted that it's usually only allowed one decent spec per expansion so it's always funny to see locks or mages complain that they're only top 5 instead of top 1/2
icy acorn
did mage get nerfed in s2 when every single m+ comp was aug/spriest/mage
did rogue get nerfed in s1 week 1 because it was "too good" at m0?
royal lantern
I'm primarily a shaman player who has long since accepted that it's usually only...
mate, mages will complain even if they are top1/2 lol
surreal citrus
all I remember about S1 was guardian druids in pvp and demon hunters getting leech nerfed for everyone by 50% across the board
dark token
did mage get nerfed in s2 when every single m+ comp was aug/spriest/mage
Yes
Multiple times
surreal citrus
good
dark token
It was still good tho
surreal citrus
when is mage bad
fallen knoll
When is lock bad
surreal citrus
when they don't give me healthstones
earnest remnant
mage is kinda meh right now
eternal quail
Is there any way besides, like, fucking off to the other side of the room to get behind him to stop Iridikron from parrying Kingsbane in fall? I just had him eat one and it felt awful.
earnest remnant
so be ready for firemage buffs next reset
fallen knoll
Frost mage is pumping no
next dust
!fuu
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surreal citrus
isn't fire like only just behind bm/ass/havoc
I've seen some arcane pumpers but nobody plays that spec
fallen knoll
Arcane is big in raids
True tho there's not many arcane enjoyers, mostly frost/fire
surreal citrus
most mage players have the int debuff and can only play frost as a resuly
marble hemlock
mage is kinda meh right now
dont buy into the mage propaganda stealthi