assassination

[waxen oyster]

wasnt the boomkin tc saying play kyrian

in sl s1

[west cove]

so got the 4 set this morning, with the envenom buff I take it we aim for high uptime and keep it weaved in, but accept it cant be 100% uptime to make space for rupture, or do we hold rupture till we can maintian?

[faint path]

Guys are u guys using 1x wafting 1x sophic?

[grim jay]

Whispyrs pooling guide shows you exactly what to do

[grim jay]

2 wafting for now

[willow kite]

I use w/e the robot tells me

[west cove]

is that within the IV or WoWhead guides?

I seems to have overlooke dit if so

[grim jay]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[north geode]

Is there a way for this macro to show tooltip and cooldown of deathmark but use trinkets/potions before it?

[grim jay]

#showtooltip Deathmark

[north geode]

[grim jay]

If there is nothing behind #showtooltip it just shows whats in the macro first

If you want something way behind in the macro you just gotta type it out

[noble umbra]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[ruby glen]

Does shadow dance mean the nightstalker talent increases my bleeds dmg even if the bleed was applied outside of stealth?

[lime crypt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gJFnDi9vdUApmaJ9Z4dR18

but like this is crazy no?

isnt pip giga bis?

mr sims wants me to get helmet huh

[vagrant wagon]

pip trinket should only be giga BiS in AoE szenarios if i remember correctly

[grim jay]

#assassination message

[lime crypt]

thats dslice

[vagrant wagon]

and dungeon slice siming is also not the best option

rather Sim 5min, 1 boss or like 8 targets for like 40-50seconds

to identify ST or AoE damage

[lime crypt]

right

[cinder parrot]

What's the best build for this week? is it DTB

[grim jay]

Also, who would have thought, trinkets that give stats depend on gear aswell

[lime crypt]

Last time i asked someone said that dslice is great for assa as its for outlaw

[oak tangle]

inertia build

[grim jay]

We dont switch builds based on weeks

[lime crypt]

should i take into consideration, that once i get more gear, pip is gonna be stronger and stronger?

[upper spear]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/atWZfszEiPwwwTAUpdkwCi 200k club if a send a few crests

[vagrant wagon]

i would see it like this, if you have 5000 crit and your trinket is also giving you like 1000 crit it is not good because you overcap

[cinder parrot]

then what build would you run for fortified

in 20s

[grim jay]

The same I run for tyra

[oak tangle]

any mythic plus build works

[grim jay]

Thats AP with VR and BS for me

[vagrant wagon]

thats what does the most damage (for me its the shocking build because nothing lives longer than 15-20s) 😄

so in my opinion the hybrid build is worse (even though its still good) because everything dies too fast

[cinder parrot]

ty

[lime crypt]

its prolly the higher you go, the better hybrid gets?

[grim jay]

No

They all perform very similar

[upper spear]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/talent_target_scaling/castingpatchwerk

Whispyr built this for this question exactly

[bleak ivy]

Nah AP Sims better for me

I got 4p too

[grim jay]

Actually thats targets scaling and he meant key level

But ye, the link shows their strengths

[lime crypt]

i meant key level as mobs tend to live way longer there

[dark token]

[upper spear]

AP + SD feels the best for me, but ya idk if it ends up mattering all that much. pick ur poison.

[boreal glacier]

!fuu

[pseudo hamlet]

Is Hybrid build better than Arterial in Forti weeks?

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[desert inlet]

I just play AP in baby keys

[hollow moss]

whats best weapon enchant atm?

[minor gate]

i actually think this is my first merit week

[turbid sandal]

I feel like I'm not doing the dps I should in keys. Do you guys purely funnel and get everything going on 1 target, or do you tab to spread as many ruptures as possible?

[upper spear]

you shouldnt have to tab, atleast not in ur opener

i guess depends on the pull size

but i feel like most of the time i dont need to

[dark token]

wrists and boots in my vault gET OUT

[grim jay]

Read above

[desert inlet]

I usually do a couple IC ruptures before popping cds on a guy and spattering

[grim jay]

Those that sim higher for you

[steel ridge]

outlaw vault^^

[turbid sandal]

gotcha, I think I've been tabbing too much. Will try funneling more and just trust in the Spatter.

[wild beacon]

Wait I'm not meant to be selecting an ungarroted target in the opening 2-3 garrotes?

[grim jay]

You dont particularly funnel mainly

[upper spear]

once, maybe twice at most, but depending on ur key level, how long stuff dies, you might be losing DPS

Odds are you just arent sending ur CDs enough

[grim jay]

You spread and then use Spatter to cleave

[bleak ivy]

why does AP sim higher for me than hybrid on dslice whenn I have 4p

[pseudo hamlet]

So they all perform pretty much the same according to bloodmallet 🤔

[grim jay]

You could also watch videos of Whispyr to see how its done right

[grim jay]

Yes

[grim jay]

Why shouldnt it

[bleak ivy]

some say 4p increased thheir dmg with hybrid by far lol

[minor gate]

fine but im not gonna be happy about it

[turbid sandal]

oh that's another thing, is it an idea to have spatter running on more targets?

[upper spear]

nah

[rare jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/266347012524474368/1179351832309551186/image.png?ex=657977fc&is=656702fc&hm=f445f7c993a3b4ed4f2d9da082d6905d87a942e534bb0fc2d4a425320bf6a71d&

cant complain

[bleak ivy]

you can

[grand trail]

I took mythic tier legs too, they are about same upgrade as any other legs out there

[upper spear]

that helm tho

[rare jackal]

chyup, snacked it

[grim jay]

People have different gear. Generally they all are similar, AP with VR and BS is better on ST and slightly worse on higher target aoe in whispyrs bloodmallet profiles for example

[dark token]

ye i wait till larodar kill

maybe i get signet or tier pants

[grand trail]

I had no other options in my vault

[dark token]

socket is always option

+1k dps

its not bnad

[grand trail]

I had classic wrist and random shitty trinket to choose from

Bandolier

[tawdry gulch]

i got crabs 489 ilvl vault, is this a good trinket for ass rog?🐻

[grand trail]

Legs was 2.5k upgrade and I still yonk some catalyst from raid

[wheat hinge]

anyone using kingsbane tracker? only getting 1.2m st on dummies as 470

[dark token]

🦀 bis trinket, sim it 🦀

[tawdry gulch]

noice

[fallen knoll]

Crabs is honestly not bad at all, but if you have witherbark dunno if you need that much mastery

[grim jay]

Do a sim for dummies and compare

[grim jay]

Could just use crab and go for less mastery on gear

Just let the robot do the work

[grand trail]

Branch is kinda no go on later bosses tho

[wheat hinge]

how would i sim damage in kingsbane?

[pseudo hamlet]

Isnt branch bis?

[grim jay]

You do a sim and compare the kb part

[grim jay]

You use 2 trinkets

Even if crab isnt really bis

Ig

[grim jay]

If you can pull it off its fine, no reason to generalize

[drifting parrot]

Leech branch !! ;D

[grim jay]

Gz

[pseudo hamlet]

yeah but wouldn't we be overstacked with the mastery then? hmmm

[grim jay]

If it sims well it sims well

Even if you had 10k mastery, as long as it sims better for you than what else you have

[tawdry crypt]

if I wanted to play sin, but am statted for outlaw, how bad would that be? Would changing jewelry/trinkets/cape be enough?

like i have 900 mastery

[deft crown]

so for M+ fort week do we use the sudden death build with tempest ? or still just the artprec/indiscriminate carnage one?

[grand trail]

I already did not like playing branch on nymue and larodar. As soon as I get heroic ashes I'm done with it.

[strange python]

you activate outlaw this week my guy

[grim jay]

We use the same as on tyra. The one we personally prefer

[strange python]

playing sin keys with spiteful is borderline sadism

[grim jay]

Its not

[grand trail]

I did one key today and it was alright

[grim jay]

Only if you still didnt realize you dont always need to restealth

[grand trail]

Kinda annoying but that's for all 3 specs

[junior aurora]

just kill mobs evenly

and stealth before spiteful spawns

[urban iron]

take mirror for future assa nerfs? 🙂

[grim jay]

Guess you know something we dont

[grim jay]

Still not killing you if you cant restealth anyways

[real inlet]

for rupture maintenance, do we refresh during the pandemic window? and does that window change based on the number of cps we're using for rupture?

[proven carbon]

when is it good to use shiv outside KB and DM

[weak crescent]

ring vs trinket ?

[real inlet]

from what i understand, both shivs line up with every kingsbane, so just use them there

[grim jay]

The trinket is ass

Imo

[weak crescent]

oh sadge

[grim jay]

Its big rng and its good on fights longer than 5 min where you dont drop combat

[fallen knoll]

Never, both charges line up perfectly, one pre kb one in kb, repeat

[proven carbon]

[proven carbon]

[rotund marsh]

How big is the 4pc upgrade for assa

I know it’s game changing for other classes and specs but is it as crazy for ass

[simple musk]

4 piece always nr 1 prio

[rotund marsh]

Hoping I can start pumping when I get it

I barely do 100k st

[simple musk]

You will pump for sure with 4 pcs

[forest notch]

Ive put it off as I dont want to catalyst. champion piece

just farming my 2k to get a hero piece for my last slot

save my catalyst for myth

[rotund marsh]

Ok awesome!

Next week I’ll get my wrists crafted with the toxic patch

[forest notch]

but is 4pc a significant dmg boost?

[rotund marsh]

To get 2k rating what level key do you need for all dungeons

[wheat hinge]

iirc its the 2nd highest dps gain from all classes

like 24%

[rotund marsh]

Damn!

[simple musk]

Yeah I think so

[wheat hinge]

fury war being almost 30

[rotund marsh]

Ele and bm are probably up there too

[simple musk]

For me it was like 15-20k dps

[forest notch]

damm wow, 24% is hugh

[rotund marsh]

Can’t wait!

How are they doing in m+

[forest notch]

considering im like 453 ilvl and already pulling 120-150kish ST DPS with a non optimal rotation and some crap pieces still

[clever sapphire]

thats sub rogue you talkin about

[rotund marsh]

Wow I’m 460 barely doing 100k

[clever sapphire]

for assa its like 6-8%

[rotund marsh]

I have pips too 😦

[grand trail]

Pips not that great

[rotund marsh]

What?

[simple musk]

Which talent spec are you using for single target and m+ ?

[wheat hinge]

no way sub sp is beter than ass

[rotund marsh]

It said it was bis

[clever sapphire]

whats all this subrogue info here today

[rotund marsh]

On wowhead

[clever sapphire]

24% is sub tset gain

pips is bis for dungeons

like wat

[rotund marsh]

Showed pips as bis for assa

[grand trail]

Pip sim about same as sandglass I did not even roll on it in raid

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[wheat hinge]

https://youtu.be/Nd_NmWbb3NQ?t=497 checking this info its 19 %

[rotund marsh]

So wowhead is wrong?

[clever sapphire]

no wowhead is correct

[rotund marsh]

Oh ok

Got me worried

Picked pips from my vault

Assumed it was the chromatic essence of this patch

[simple musk]

Trinkets always depends on the content you doing some are better for single target others for aoe you need to sim your gear to see which would is better

[clever sapphire]

it is

thats why its bis stat stick for m+

but if you dont have it on mythic, a high ilvl sandglass may outsim it

[rotund marsh]

Tbh I care more about m+ then raid since i do it much more

I don’t see myself doing mythic raids this season

[clever sapphire]

dafuq is this guy cooking

[rotund marsh]

I’m not good enough

[clever sapphire]

he is saying sub tset is a small gain

[rotund marsh]

Only made it to mythic rashok before my guild imploded last tier

[clever sapphire]

his windfury chart picture is also all wrong

wouldnt trust that video ngl

[clever sapphire]

i will take fuu-s sheet over some random video

[wheat hinge]

yeah true

althought think the vid is st

[clever sapphire]

i mean council is 3rd boss, maybe you will be able to pug it later on

[wheat hinge]

and the ss is dung slice

[clever sapphire]

the wat

it says ST

[cunning basin]

The screenshot has both

[mystic osprey]

NO DAGGER FROM VAULT :) IM OKAY >:)

[strange python]

Is there any addon or Weakaura or anything that could help me with my opener? If I had a second monitor I’d just have the wowhead page open but sadly I do not

[clever sapphire]

i heard someone wrote the opener in an MRT note

[cunning basin]

Just got mine today after 67 runs

[clever sapphire]

and always had it on his screen

[normal mist]

Ia that lariat necklace?

[rotund marsh]

How is the serpent coil trinket?

[normal mist]

Oh it's lariat sister

[clever sapphire]

not bad

[fringe widget]

I write a text WA with the opener and just place it on screen

[clever sapphire]

would sim it

[mystic osprey]

yes

[rotund marsh]

Ok

[mystic osprey]

look at that alchemical flavor pocket

😩

[normal mist]

Yep yep sweet mother of thrall

[strange python]

That’s a good idea. I’ll do that, ty for the suggestion

[rotund marsh]

I still need to get the m+ trinket from the wod dungeon but hopefully this will work for a while

[cunning basin]

Probs gonna slap a pocket on a crafted belt and call it a day

[normal mist]

Imma invest on ring next probably, still rocking shit rings

[clever sapphire]

branch?

[rotund marsh]

Think so

[cunning basin]

The qol is worth a couple DPS lost

[rotund marsh]

Can’t remember the dungeon name

[clever sapphire]

everbloom

🤣

[rotund marsh]

Yeah lol

[grim jay]

Dunno, would only craft it on rings if I had to

Atleast they dont have agi and come with a free socket

[cunning basin]

I already have bis rings

Sooooo not gonna do that

[grim jay]

Dang 2 489?

[clever sapphire]

you guys get rings?

[cunning basin]

3 ilevel of agi on a belt is like 15 agi lol

[clever sapphire]

im still runninga 447 crafted from last season

[cunning basin]

One is 483 but ye

[grand trail]

Pip not so hot https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vimYA9C58qKkXHWuc75FNa

[grim jay]

If its 483 on hero track its whatever and you can craft over that

[cunning basin]

Belt and bracers are the lowest primary of all slots and since bracers are where my patch is, belt is where the flavor pocket is going

[cunning basin]

Yes 3 item levels worth of secondaries vs 3 item levels of primaries

[fallen knoll]

As long as they have your desired stats rings are not that big of a deal to use like s2 still, mainly stam diff the stats don't go up that much

[cunning basin]

You're talking like a 45 DPS difference lol

[grand trail]

Hero to mythic belt was like 2k DPS for me

Meanwhile bracer is 800

[cunning basin]

I'm talking 486 vs 489 brother

It's like 15 or 20 primaries

[grand trail]

I though talk was hero Vs mythic

[cunning basin]

No lol

[grand trail]

3ilvl is nothing on any item item unless it's dagger

[cunning basin]

Crafted belt vs mythic belt bc I cba to put flavor pocket on rings when I already have good rings and my belt is mid

[grand trail]

Make sense

My rings are trash I'm crafting ring next week for sure

[cunning basin]

It's literally like, it is so little DPS that it doesn't matter lol

[cunning basin]

Def the way to go if You've been unlucky

[umbral summit]

bonespike bros - where does this annoying little guy fit in, rotation wise? outside of burst hopefully

[grand trail]

I have all rings from m+ but no socket

[flint lotus]

How come people aren't running Branch+Ashes? Bloodmallet's saying they're both BiS and I figured you'd alternate them every other KB?

[cunning basin]

It fits in the talent tree with no points put into it 🤢

[grand trail]

So craft ring with well fed is the way for me

[cunning basin]

The value on bloodmallet is when they're synced with your 2 minutes

[umbral summit]

it's 4k dps for me I can't ignore the disgusting little creep

[strong wing]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cunning basin]

The value is SIGNIFICANTLY lower when you use it with just kb

[flint lotus]

I see, that's a shame :/

[grand trail]

No PI KBS not so hot

[cunning basin]

So you're better off with the best passive trinket you can get

[flint lotus]

I grinded so many EBs last week and didn't get branch. Stupidly picked Ashes in the vault (though tbf nothing else in the vault was close to good) 😦

[cunning basin]

That's just how cd classes work

Ashes is not as far off branch as bloodmallet would lead you to believe

Ashes is a fine substitute

[magic fossil]

@flint lotus And tonight my watch in DHT starts for neck, wish me good fortune. See you guys in 3 days

[cunning basin]

I paid in spades for getting branch in my first EB, and the neck in my 3rd dht

[flint lotus]

Branch at the same ilvl sims 6300dps higher 😢

[cunning basin]

47 falls to get my hero track nick of time

[magic fossil]

at least branch is not my problem anymore

thanks vault

[ancient rain]

For me ashes was +5k and branch +13k

[late birch]

any gamers?

[magic fossil]

good shit

[cunning basin]

I mean... Sure. I'll put it this way, the rwf rogues didn't farm for branch, so if ashes is good enough for them, why isn't it good enough for you?

[flint lotus]

Nothing's ever good enough for me

[lime crypt]

may I ask you what WA or addon you use that shows ilvl on items?

[cunning basin]

Like I'm not saying don't farm for branch - it is good and it is bis - but that doesn't mean ashes is bad

[willow scroll]

how should we use the branch?

[clever sapphire]

with dm

pick up 2

[cunning basin]

Macro it into deathmark, pick up 2 orbs, wait 7 seconds, pick up the 3rd

[clever sapphire]

delay last for around 7 sec

[cunning basin]

GG

[willow scroll]

okey il make a wa for it as well, just wanted to make shure what to set it up

tz

ty*

[flint lotus]

Replacing my 483 Coiled Serpent Idol with a 476 branch would be a 1% dps increase, with ashes as the second trinket. So I guess I'll run both if I can get them (until I get brand)

[willow scroll]

so macro kings to shadowdance and bark to mark, will lose half my binds 😄

[cunning basin]

I'm gonna come to your house and change your monitor resolution, and hide your TV remote somewhere

[ancient rain]

They needed to kill the boss fast, they didn't have time to farm it lol

[cunning basin]

I don't recommend running both

Even if it sims as an increase, in practice it won't be. The sim does some wonky stuff when you run double on use

[cunning basin]

Sure. Which is again why I'm saying you should farm for it, but ashes is also good.

[ancient rain]

You said the difference is not much and I replied with my personal case of over 60% difference. Nobody said it's not good enough.

[cunning basin]

And in practice it won't actually be that big of a difference.

👍

[strong wing]

How do you guys manage deathmark in fyrakk?

[cunning basin]

Heroic?

[strong wing]

Killed it yesterday in a few tries but there’s a situation where your dm comes up with golems

[strong wing]

Ye

[cunning basin]

I sent mine for the Colossus phase, idk if it's correct or not but it felt bad kinda just doing nothing

And it's like either that or holding for like a minute till the next time you can use it

[strong wing]

Pff same feeling

Idk if its worth it to hold it for like 40 secs

[cunning basin]

Idk, I still have to play with it. Fight timings feel pretty shit

[magic fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-peachu-goma-and-peach-dudu-and-bubu-milk-mocha-sugar-and-bear-gif-26946040

i use on cd, its heroic

[strong wing]

Yup they do

[lime crypt]

what build are you guys running in 20+ and onwards?

im planning on pushing 24s this week

[lucid rain]

ap/blindside

[strong wing]

Ik but you always try to do your best right

I do not feel good if I don’t know how to manage those kind of situations

[lime crypt]

are you running it with acro or with tea?

[lucid rain]

tea

[cunning basin]

I play AP for 20s and 21s, for that high I could almost see running the build some people cooked up that's just raid build with caustic and IC

[lime crypt]

what is IC?

[cunning basin]

Indiscriminate carnage

[lime crypt]

hmmmm

[cunning basin]

Yeah hold on lemme pull this up

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFVVFRRFURQmJBQCUQNVURUVUZUEEoVQBF

Apparently either the top or some real high assassination rogue ran this for some keys or smth

Could definitely see it slapping in them real high keys

[lime crypt]

well i can maybe see that work for ST no?

[blazing jewel]

that’s the build we play on council

[lime crypt]

like on tyra?

[blazing jewel]

• iron wire

[grim jay]

Good that Whispyr is sleeping

So he doesnt witness that build a second time

[cunning basin]

Xd

[blazing jewel]

He’s probably not sleeping yet

[cunning basin]

This is prime time for him

Anyone else experience the bug where you tell your teammates to hold w and they sit around while your shroud runs out? Think my teammates are bugged

[grim jay]

Shhht dont summon him

[viral spire]

aight the fk do i take tho

[soft shale]

hands or coins

[cunning basin]

Sim it

[grim jay]

Easy hands

What waist is that even

[soft shale]

vers mastery

[viral spire]

waist is bis it sims

[grim jay]

Maybe good for sub backup

[steel spire]

Will augy get tuned at all?

[viral spire]

but i think i might take augury just to cut costs on upgrading trinket

[soft shale]

who knows

[velvet marten]

question, is it within reason i might be Fin myself over by go to fast thru my rotation?
not sure when and if im intended to go fast or slow down lol.

[viral spire]

waist sims bis for assa and sub, while legs sim bis for otl

[cunning basin]

Go fast during CDs, slow down outside of CDs

[bleak sun]

Still cannot use caralyst to do 2p cause i dont loot smtg else than neck wrist ring

[neat horizon]

Ok so @balmy condor 's WoWhead opinion in the article about assa on this week's dps rankings was quite interesting. However i have to ask, why is assa not as dominant in m+ as it is in raid ? As you all can see, its performance in the raid is miles ahead the 2nd highest dps, so why cant that take over into m+ aswell ? I would like to make dhs cry in m+ but its the other way around

[cunning basin]

Catalyst off pieces for mog

[cunning basin]

Things die fast in m+ and assa is a dot spec at the end of the day

And part of the raid performance in that graph is augvoker log hooks being broken

[midnight atlas]

Because dh only put 9 imolation auras on them and felrush into other packs, they make tanks and healers cry also

[neat horizon]

Oh

[cunning basin]

So a bit misleading

[neat horizon]

Didnt know that

thats actually kinda messed up

[cunning basin]

Same thing will probably happen every tier till the end of time

[neat horizon]

Lmao its so annoying how they pressed 2-3 buttons and they're instantly 1 mill dps on a pack

I mean this week could be a bit better for assa

with it being fortified

[cunning basin]

It's all burst tho. If you're doing big pulls and chaining and having things live, the DH will fall off and you'll catch up

[neat horizon]

Yeah solid point, thats what im planning to see later in the season when we get more gear and do higher keys

[reef mulch]

Fort week, maybe I can finish a kingsbane window on my 20s now 😛

[cunning basin]

First pull of fall we chained to boss and the DH started the pull at 1mil and ended the boss at 250, I started the pull at 400 and ended the boss at 500 xd

[grim jay]

How didnt you if you read his post

It literally says its partly because of aug and pi

[neat horizon]

Yes but it wasnt specified that there was a bug related to the aug hooks. I thought he only meant that its due to the aug buffing the rogue

[grim jay]

Unlikely. Stuff still dies too fast if you have a blaster group

[grim jay]

There even is a link of what is bugged

[reef mulch]

not me screaming at a ret pala and demo lock to leave the guy marked with Moon alone 😛 😛

[cunning basin]

Aug buffs aren't supposed to reflected in your damage, it's supposed to be attributed to the evoker

[robust wedge]

guys im having some issues with dps off cds can anyone give me some tips to maintain some dps when cds are gone?

[silent palm]

anyone got any clue how to make the decision to play either sudden demise or arterial precision in m+? After trying Arterial Precision in keys I just can't make myself go back to sudden demise build, it feels like shit.

[grim jay]

Both have demise

[silent palm]

what build are you running

that both have demise

[cunning basin]

What exactly are you looking for? While not in CDs you maintain bleeds, and chain envenoms

[grim jay]

AP and Hybrid from the guides both use it

[cunning basin]

Arterial Precision and Dragon-Tempered Blades both have Sudden Demise

[grim jay]

I personally play AP with VR and BS

[silent palm]

crimson tempest just feels too clunky

i haven't looked into the guides too much, was just using the Zerocool builds

[robust wedge]

in a ST situation after cds, my dps goes down a lot, i have seen rogues that can maintain some dps but i can't do that, im mainining bleeds and envenoms but idk

[cunning basin]

Yeah blindside makes me feel better so I just play that

[silent palm]

the #1 m+ rogue atm

[silent palm]

yeah love blindside

[grim jay]

How does a dot you apply once or max twice a pack feel clunky

[cunning basin]

I mean, yeah, that's like kinda just how burst classes work. You burst, then you wait, then you burst, then you wait

[cunning basin]

Like is there something specific you're struggling with? Do you have 4p and are you chaining properly? Are you pooling properly? What's your item level? There's a lot of variables here and your statement is kinda broad

I'm not tryna be an ass or anything I just have no info to go off

[grim jay]

Doesnt make his builds any better. Id always go with what Whispyr delivers. That aside, the stuff he played at the beginning was from Whispyr aswell

Just someone having the highest rio doesnt automatically mean he has everything optimized

[drifting cedar]

Should I go for mythic legs(non tier) or heroic hands (tier) and cata the helmet and get my 4p?or stay 2p but with mythic legs

[shy axle]

how do you like the hybrid build in comparison to the aertical after the last two weeks? i played aert in fort and hybrid last week but just from a feeling perspective i like aertical more

[cunning basin]

To build in this, what people do in push keys will be much different than what is necessary for lower keys, and it's also optimized for their comp

[grim jay]

If optimal at all ye😁

[silent palm]

nah, I think thast it just feels better to play the boardside, no CT build, and if he's (currently) proving it very viable, so the build is probably either fine or better or a sidegrade.

[cunning basin]

So just because someone is doing something wild in 25s and 26s doesn't mean it'll work in lower keys

[grim jay]

One of the big resto druids for example runs kick which is suboptimal but he needs it because his pals are mostly ranged/high CD kicks

[silent palm]

so I am just thinking to myself if there's much diff to play CT, SD if I can just bypass it

[robust wedge]

i'm probably not pooling or chaining properly, im new to asa and i'm trying to get used to. I do have 4pc and i'm 470ilvl atm , seems that I have to get deep into pooling or chaining cuz i didn't know about this before you said that lol.

[grim jay]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[silent palm]

also CT not giving any energy makes it feel like shit.

[grim jay]

Dunno. If you press an envenom or a ct doesnt feel any different

[cunning basin]

What davyn said

That should help out a lot

On big pulls I'm always at max energy anyways

So it's like

Idk, how can you even tell CT does or doesn't give energy xD

[robust wedge]

thanks for the help! imma check it out!

[silent palm]

because it giving energy is a talent

[jolly heath]

in Fuu spreadsheet, I saw his patchwerk 1 target profile is still stacking some vers. Any reason for this?

[robust wedge]

i appreciate your answer r viens

[grim jay]

Think the linked video will give you the most

[robust wedge]

yeah im watching it now

[grim jay]

Because it sims higher for his profile

Sin can get good use out of all the stats

[jolly heath]

I see I see, I thought we dont wanna vers

[cunning basin]

What?

[grim jay]

Some even gem vers

[cunning basin]

All secondaries are good, some are better than others to a certain point, at which the others become better

[jolly heath]

okay thank you

[cunning basin]

Very important to sim yourself

[silent palm]

Venomous Wounds only gives energy for Garrote and Rupture

and not CT

[sharp trellis]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ofs8vSW8EEVh54NrhK2S1C Does anyone know why having a better offhand sim less?

[cunning basin]

Yeah I know that lol, but I mean you said it felt bad that CT doesn't give energy but like if you other bleeds up how can you even tell? Like I'm always sitting on Max energy if I have CT rolling anyways so

[silent palm]

because pulls can last longer than 20 seconds on fortified

[hollow moss]

does council fight use m+ talents or ST?

[sharp trellis]

Actually another question that may sound dumb, but what your recommended sim setting for M+ ? like as a basic sim

[grim jay]

Because Nick is the best offhand you can get

Bcs of timestrike

[cunning basin]

So you vanish and reapply bleeds

[silent palm]

good one

[sharp trellis]

so the sim is accurate ?

[silent palm]

what if you don't have vanish or dance at that time

what if it's your 3 or 4th chain pull

[cunning basin]

Then you apply as many bleeds as you can until dance or vanish come up

[grim jay]

Yes.
Its also the best mainhand unless way lower ilvl, thats why you usually dont craft a MH

[silent palm]

then you're doing 0 dps

if that's your solution

[cunning basin]

What?

[ripe sage]

if both daggers are same ilvl does it matter if strike is mh or offhand?

[fervent marsh]

hello guys, we in the 3.weeks now what do you think in higher keys can we overperfom dh-s or bm hunters?

[cunning basin]

Nope

[grim jay]

You can apply bleeds manually btw

[silent palm]

yes, not the whole pack

[grim jay]

Yes even the whole pack

[silent palm]

you rupture garrote main target, but doing it BFA rogue style

yeah ok so you spend energy and CP to apply ruptures

and bypass your tier seet

just like that

and do 0 damage

[cunning basin]

You don't need the whole pack, you throw a couple ruptures and throw out a CT then do some envenoming till you have vanish or dance

[grim jay]

Your tierset isnt some god like part of your aoe

[silent palm]

it's literally 10-12% of all my damage

it is absolutely god like in AOE

[cunning basin]

Yeah most of your aoe comes from dance windows and bleeds

[silent palm]

it's not wroth to apaply 2 ruptures

[cunning basin]

If it's that much of your damage your probably doing something wrong lol

[silent palm]

when I can do 2 envenoms

[grim jay]

You rupture for the agi and energy, get garrotes up on as many as possible, ct and then Spatter cleave

[cunning basin]

Bc the 4 doesn't do that much damage

[grim jay]

I mean he doesnt play sudden demise

[silent palm]

every assass rogue I see has same dmg distribution.

[grim jay]

So theres that

[silent palm]

every one of them is doing something wrogn.

[blazing jewel]

[oak tangle]

what is the argument?

[blazing jewel]

That is some intense 🧢

[cunning basin]

That applying bleeds makes you do 0 damage between dance/vanish cds

[oak tangle]

hmmmge

[blazing jewel]

In m+ builds you will starve energy so fast if you don’t have multiple ruptures out

[silent palm]

applying more than 2 ruptures makes you do no damage on chain pulls is my argument, because other spells take prio without dance/vanish as options

[grim jay]

I mean it might be weak if you dont run the rupture agi talent and sudden demise

[oak tangle]

[cunning basin]

If you don't rupture at least 5 targets you're missing out on 20% agi anyways

[fallen knoll]

pfp checks

[silent palm]

yes no shit but you know what you do after you rupture 5 targets? the pack is dead.

[safe wigeon]

guys i sim raid items for my assa rogue and it said the crit vers neck from third boss is bis
should i use it?

[silent palm]

you can't use 10+ globals to apply 5 bleeds man

[oak tangle]

it's like 2 globals

[grim jay]

He prolly doesnt use it because he doesnt play demise

[oak tangle]

but anyway

[cunning basin]

We were talking about keys where stuff was living and chain pulling anyways

[silent palm]

yes haha 2 globals without dance, vanish chain pull

[oak tangle]

i mean, how do you expect to do your rotation and cleave spatter, with no energy

[cunning basin]

If the pack is dead that fast the point is invalid bc your DPS is not needed and the key will be timed anyways

[grim jay]

You dont understand

The pack is dead

[cunning basin]

Like DPS doesn't matter if the pack is dead anyways

[fallen knoll]

How high of a key are we talking that the stuff dies quicker before bleeds matter?

[oak tangle]

wait so if the pack is dead what's the problem

[cunning basin]

Your DPS is only relevant for as long as things are alive

[oak tangle]

you're talking about chain pulling, that means things arent dead

[cunning basin]

If you get yelled at bc you do low DPS in a 5 sec pull as an assa rogue or smth then your team doesn't understand your spec and that's fine, fuck em

If you're chain pulling, that's where assa rogue shines

Things are alive and things being alive means more bleeds which means more dps

[grim jay]

I mean sure maybe rupturing multiple targets without the agi buff talent and sudden demise manually feels shitty

But you dont just not play them usually

[cunning basin]

If you're not playing scent in m+ you're like kinda trolling

[oak tangle]

also, just did an 18 with the hybrid build, yeah im going back ap blindside, i hate not having energy on bosses

[cunning basin]

Scent is close to being good enough to play in ST

[cunning basin]

BRO ITS SO BAD RIGHT?

I can't stand it

[gaunt ocean]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[rare jackal]

macroing KB and shadow dance is fine as long as shadow dance is the first line in the macro right?

[cunning basin]

Yessir

Or ma'am

Fuck

[blazing jewel]

Just make sure kb goes off

Because dance is off gcd and kb is on gcd

[safe wigeon]

yeah you can also use it with gcd

[grim jay]

Lets hope Whispyr doesnt read any more r1 sin m+ no scent/demise discussions or he will be out cold

[oak tangle]

"greetings uhh sir and / or ma'am"

[rare jackal]

good point

[cunning basin]

I've literally never pressed my macro and then looked down to see KB off cooldown

[grim jay]

I dont use one personally

[oak tangle]

fastest fingers in the west, man's brain is gcd locked

[normal mist]

Opening vault ... No dagger.
Oh wait there's a branch there. Oh it's a 480 branch, better than mine 8/8 champion branch. Oh wait this fucker also has leech.
There it goes, all my luck on a single item.

[cunning basin]

My brain is the opposite of gcd locked, it's in permanent pooling mode

[gaunt ocean]

I just put KB on the same key as SD so when the stance bar changes I press it again for KB

[oak tangle]

kinda smort ^

[cunning basin]

I like having them macro'd for raid

[oak tangle]

but also, i just macro them

[mystic osprey]

you still need answer?

[cunning basin]

Less button presses, the only time I really press it and have KB not go off is in m+

Mob walks away while I'm busy dissociating

[oak tangle]

i will not lie to you guys, never have i ever felt the need to desync kb and dance

[grim jay]

Just always have them separate. Wouldnt know what else to use the bind for anyways

[ripe sage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cunning basin]

No reason to have them separate

So it's like

🤷

[oak tangle]

if i need to refresh aoe bleeds i use vanish, not dance

[grim jay]

I sometimes ct first in dance

[cunning basin]

The fuck is wrong with you, monster

[oak tangle]

i got a pro tip

[cunning basin]

Absolute blasphemy

[oak tangle]

if you want to desync your dance and kb

but also only want to use the macro

[cunning basin]

Don't

Kek

[oak tangle]

clip the dance macro inside shiv or some other gcd

[cunning basin]

Ye

I've done that once or twice

[oak tangle]

alternatively, have no target when you press it

or have them out of range

[cunning basin]

But in general, I'm never casting kb without dance so mightaswell throw it out if I'm dancing anyways

[grim jay]

Or just use a macro where you press once for dance and a second time for kb

[cunning basin]

Alright I think my daily 5 am shit posting is over

Bedge time, later ya heathens

[oak tangle]

cast sequence can be scuffed though

[rare jackal]

time to experiment with different branch timings

[grim jay]

Thats why you dont use castsqeuence

[grim jay]

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast [stance:1/2] Kingsbane

[jade dawn]

Im 472 but only sim 150k , ive not managed to get a branch or either nick of time are they they much of a dps loss?

[floral shoal]

Got a hero path Branch in my vault... can't not take it... not looking forward to the minigame.

[junior yoke]

Keep spamming, I got 3 daggers from emerald dream today

I love when this happens

[rare jackal]

its just way less practical compared to ambersoul

however macroing it to KB means you can just stand still and you get the last 10 seconds covered

thats what im messing with

[jade dawn]

you got three nick of time from emerald dream?

[junior yoke]

No bro

I just did the 3 weeklys, and 3 same items which I already have

RNG you know

Good luck

[grim jay]

Way is kinda exaggerating

[jade dawn]

okay, not really what i asked but thanks

[rare jackal]

its actually not, when you look at the shit you have to do for the later bosses

[junior yoke]

Yes I know, but u playing rng game, go spam more

[torn atlas]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1179077804189560932/image.png?ex=657878c6&is=656603c6&hm=40d354b599c48477390ae8ef0933607ebacbb8972ad82b65383541f41565aacb&=&format=webp&width=895&height=428

[urban mantle]

Morning. Can someone please remind me where is the page of rotations for sin rogue?

[grim jay]

Did you play it yourself already or is it just hearsay? Because I for sure know people that did and say its not that bad

[strange python]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[rare jackal]

i progged larodar yesterday and kush talked about this i believe

so its not just hearsay

[velvet marten]

So after my CD's ofc im going to lose out on dps. but currently i'm loseing out on too much. i should avg roughly 105kdps after my burst's with CD's and i'm in that next stage avg' 80kdps "struggling to maintain" dipping into my energy bad. does my issue sound more like a spooling issue or something diff.

[spice surge]

Any leech enjoyers?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546693896441430027/1179380565200343080/image.png?ex=657992be&is=65671dbe&hm=351f66c39f869b5a345f2b1a7f458aec6ebfd6b495955d771daab65fb64fb6f1&

[tropic tundra]

Sounds like low ilvl to worry about that for me

[plucky canopy]

I mean it is kinda "easy" to play around branch once you get the hang of it.
Mostly you can just move forward, collect the two orbs insta and by nature u almost have the perfekt timing to have 3 orbs for the last 10sec of kb

[strange python]

oh yeah we're about the same - 15% for me - plus beast proc

[tropic tundra]

If thats around your sim number you have no problem

[plucky canopy]

If u macro it to dm

[velvet marten]

yes im currently 460* atm i rolled rouge just 48h ago for the 1st time.

[fallen knoll]

560

[grim jay]

Dunno, we'll see. Gotta try things yourself and its worth to grab it anyways for m+. Also suboptimal orbs might still be better than ashes depending on how bad you pick them

[tropic tundra]

I assume you mean 450

[velvet marten]

came from pali. at 475

[rare jackal]

im playing with branch since entering mythic

and yeah youre right, im experimenting with different timings

[velvet marten]

lol

[rare jackal]

when you macro it with KB you can just stand still, which i consider a big improvement

[strange python]

You're saying just use it on KB and don' even move. Do you happen to know the mathematical difference in dps if you sim it?

[rare jackal]

yeah you just dont move and it covers the last 10 seconds almost perfectly

which is the important bit

i cant tell you how much worse it is lmao

not that deep into the TC stuff

[feral mason]

very much worse xdd

also macro it on dm not kb

can cause awkward situations by doing that

[rare jackal]

scroll up

[feral mason]

If you just macro it to dm and do one step to the right/left it has the exact same result

[potent raft]

what was the way to sim different weapon runes?

[lime crypt]

yes

[rare jackal]

maybe, i have to try that too

[strange python]

It's not the same exact, but do you know how long the orbs take to reach you if you just stand in place?

[lime crypt]

but man, why does this fkin affix keep you in combat

[feral mason]

If you play with the trinket enough alongside the weakaura, you’ll get a feel for where the balls spawn without even seeing them

1-1-6/7 becomes pretty doable even when hidden by mechanics

[grim jay]

No reason to be agitated. Even if it doesnt feel good, restealthing isnt that big

[feral mason]

Seeing as taking everything at the same time is like a 3-4% dps decrease i’d say its quite worth

[mystic osprey]

BetterCharacterPanel and DejaCharacterStats

[lime crypt]

are those weakauras?

[fallen knoll]

It's convenient considering the multidotting, that's about it

[strange python]

This is probably the closest to 1/1/5 in reality - except your initial 4 seconds of kingsbane are missing 2 stacks. So it's probably like 1-2% dps behind.

So maybe really closest to like 3/3/1

[mystic osprey]

addons

[strange python]

Cause all the balls are gonna get to you at the same time, assuming you don't move.

[lime crypt]

thank you sir

[rare jackal]

macroing it to DM, youre gonna have to move a decent bit still

[sage quail]

guys its better to use deadly poison or instant poison ?

[strange python]

I mean it brings up the problem of sending a mini-KB before a boss in m+ though, then you don't have your trinket for the boss (sometimes you're saving)

[strange python]

General rule: If you spec into it, use it.

[rare jackal]

true

[strange python]

Maybe absolute rule

[fallen knoll]

Why is moving a bit an issue tho, as long as you're hitting

[strange python]

Yeah I don't mind pressing it, basically moving to one ball, then staying still.

which is like 0.1% less optimal

[sharp trellis]

What is the recommended setting for simming ? MM + focus

[lime crypt]

may I ask how does deathmark work?

does it duplicate your next bleeds?

[rare jackal]

yeah that seems to be good too

[lime crypt]

or the ones that are currently on the target

[strange python]

it duplicates your rupture, garrote, and poisons on the target that are applied or are applied during its duration

[fallen knoll]

Dupes your current and incoming for the dm duration

[lime crypt]

and what about shiv?

like

we do opener into deathmark shiv into SD into kingsbane

[strange python]

you shiv so it's up for kingsbane

[lime crypt]

so we boost kingsbane by preshiving and deathmarking beforehand, ye?

[strange python]

yep

[lime crypt]

okay, and do i keep all my stacks of shiv for KB?

[strange python]

yes

[lime crypt]

even if im specced into AP?

[strange python]

one pre...and one with just under 8 sec remaining

that's a case by case basis - but you want both shivs for your KB's yes.

[lime crypt]

just did 18 EB and shit died faster than i could fully apply KB

[strange python]

I mean I can't pretend i aint out there shiv'in packs where I didn't KB ya know

[lime crypt]

i reckon this is not how your overall is supposed to look like huh

[strange python]

I mean depends on the level of key and the folks with you though.

But normally maybe KB is higher, i dunno

send it on priority mobs and bosses really

What was your overall dmg compared to the other 2 dps

That's really the best indicator - and especially that, in relation to you timing the key, and by how much.

[oak tangle]

i went to a +5 on my 427 DH in single target spec, did 80k overall

[lime crypt]

it was 18 EB

[strange python]

yeah seems fine

[lime crypt]

got dicked by DH thats 13 ilvls behind

[strange python]

Your numbers will differ (the breakdowns) between hybrid build and arterial build

[lime crypt]

i checked and his build was uhhh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/560486056210989086/1179381912280768572/image.png?ex=657993ff&is=65671eff&hm=670e2fe93d64c4017c9b4b6ed72386943957a1a6913170d54c3d9bb9a910bd87&

[strange python]

jeez no iron wire, no aoe blind

[lime crypt]

i was using this one

[strange python]

yeah you're a team player

he's trollin

[grim jay]

No double shiv

No scent

No demise

[oak tangle]

No care for team

[grim jay]

Whispyr aneurism build

[lime crypt]

i mean i was absolutely trolling as im literally drowning in what buttons to press and when

but ill get there

i believe i shouldve played more into Spatter

[strange python]

I mean there's a lot of impromptu, on-the-spot stuff happening - especially in spiteful week.

The only thing gonna increase your spatter really - is bigger KB's - which sometimes isn't possible.

[oak tangle]

i've on occasion just afk'd and applied bleeds to everything, i look at meters and im doing 300k+

[strange python]

lol

[lime crypt]

what i meant is like, sometimes i just kept thinking i had spatter on target and did my thing

and then i found out i didnt

[grim jay]

That would make more sense, but still no scent or demise

[oak tangle]

do you use plater or something similar

[lime crypt]

yes

currently im using Jundies plater

but its bad

for ssin

[oak tangle]

whispyr's version is good

[grim jay]

Or cevs

[lime crypt]

!wa

[oak tangle]

it makes the target green when spatter is on

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[lime crypt]

i think whispyr's is like

i see some bleed running out

but i cant really see which one

[oak tangle]

I do agree with you on that

[lime crypt]

this looks like

[grim jay]

Hu

[lime crypt]

ill try cev

[grim jay]

Make the Icons bigger if you cant see then properly

[oak tangle]

but that just seems like a saturation fix

[drifting cedar]

Does this mean we need to reapply bleeds when it has this yellow borders

[lime crypt]

it means that its in pandemic ye

i wonder if i can create some abomination on jundies' plater

cuz he has mobs colored based on how important they are

like if they are chunky or ccable casters or prio targets

[strange python]

I just look at the health numbers for that

[lime crypt]

guess i just became hella lazy

[strange python]

I think DH's also have a plater that highlights a rogue's KB target - and they blow their CD's on it.

[twilit flower]

if i consume amp poison with envenom, does it trigger caustig spatter?

[strange python]

It increases the dmg of envenom - so if the target has spatter on it - yeah it'll spatter.

[twilit flower]

yay, nice 🙂 thanks

[limber lion]

Mine does that as well

[jolly turtle]

is the flame neck thing from doomwalker daily lockout or spammable?

[weak sierra]

daily

[arctic socket]

Does assassin rogue have any ideal stat %s to aim for? Or just sim every piece and praise robot

[rotund oak]

no it doesnt,you should always sim urself 🙂

[tawny geyser]

Oof😂

Oh nvm… I read “you should aim yourself”

[jade abyss]

4p scales with our crit?

[rotund oak]

everything that is amp'd by crit scales by it

[potent raft]

question regarding caustic splatter -
is it only poison damage or does it spread nature damage (like doing more envenoms on the caustic target)

[strange python]

nature too

[jade abyss]

Poison is nature

[rotund oak]

poison dmg is nature

[potent raft]

all poison damage is nature damage
but not all nature damage is poison

[flint tusk]

HUH?

[potent raft]

was basically the question

[tough gorge]

All of a rogues nature dmg is poison dmg and vice versa

We arenr shamans

[short sedge]

What do you do when the pull lasts too long

[stark mirage]

do your dmg take a dive when you cant restealth cause of spiteful?

[rotund oak]

?

[strange python]

follow the priority - keep enough bleeds out to remain saturated in energy.

[short sedge]

Like you ran out of stealth and your bleeds expire but there's still 8 targets

[flint tusk]

increasing your crit increases your chance to crit.
it's damage doesn't scale based on it

[short sedge]

Do you just press FoK rupture 8times

And some garrote on cd

[strange python]

Does the priority say that?

[rotund oak]

that would be crit dmg increase not crit strike rating,that doesnt rly exist as a secondary stat now does it

[strange python]

You follow the priority and keep enough bleeds out to remain saturated in energy.

[rotund oak]

it can only come from talents afaik

so the scaling comes only from crit amp

[flint tusk]

#assassination message

4set doesn't scale from crit which was the question

[rotund oak]

yes it was wrongly put,scaling as in its ampd

i stand corrected for bad english

thx

[flint tusk]

i blame blizzard

[rotund oak]

for what ;o

[royal lantern]

everytime somone says the word scaling, a puppy dies

and a kitten aswell

[flint tusk]

crit change/crit damage affecting thing differently xD

[rotund oak]

well ye,its only a talent thing

imagine having that in the game

star wars

😄

[flint tusk]

I think the only spell that's ever got directly increased from crit chance was chaos bolt if i'm not wrong

but i hardly play warlock so could be wrong there

[rotund oak]

and the firemage

it convert crit into matery

thus scaling from crit

(the overcapped part)

[flint tusk]

jesus blizzard

[jade abyss]

But its based on our critchance? Sorry thats what i want to ask

[drifting cosmos]

Dh scale from crit and mast?

[lime crypt]

it doesnt

or im just tripping

[flint tusk]

well yeh. any damage you deal has a chance to crit based on your toons crit. but the damage isn't directly affected.
besides non crit or crit

[lime crypt]

i meant it like this

[flint tusk]

let me double check the spell affect

[jade abyss]

Thats what i want to know sorry for missunderstanding thank you

[lime crypt]

color highlight of what mob is caster / what mob has biggest hp pool

[elfin haven]

Did a 21 AD. Felt terrible. No time to stealth cause spitefuls keep us in combat. Tank chain pulling. Energy felt starved the entire key

[jade abyss]

There is a !restealth command, i guess it will answer your question :)

[neat plank]

Yep, I expect to suffer this week. 🙂

[drifting cosmos]

There is always dance and meld

[rotund oak]

just do 18s who cares 😄

[neat plank]

But at least I have shadowmeld unlike you lesser races

[jade abyss]

Dance vanish maybe melt there is a lot of thing to procc our IC

[neat plank]

Doesnt' matter what key level you do, it's the sucking of dps compared to other people that's annoying, not timers 🙂

[drifting cosmos]

But yea it will feel worse compared to to every other week

[rotund oak]

18s is just the optimal way to farm faster with less effort and not worrying about anything

[neat plank]

I'll just save vanish for pack restealthing purposes, not for boosting kingsbane

[rotund oak]

and not losing the myth track ofc

[strange python]

That's probably not terrible honestly

[spice surge]

Thats how you play in dungeons yes

[drifting cosmos]

It’s like very flexible in keys

[lime crypt]

get me out of this fkin hell man

[drifting cosmos]

Or I mean you can always OL and sub this week

😂

[lime crypt]

[elfin haven]

I was top dps in most keys last week. I got shit on so hard in the 21 this week.

[lime crypt]

wheres my fkin branch

which one of you ate it

[arctic socket]

I did

[lime crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-hasbik-cute-meme-influencer-gif-21732737

[arctic socket]

I have got 5 branches from eb

[jade abyss]

Someone has the same problem on throne second boss, that when he get pulled he breaks the stealth..?

[lime crypt]

okay im blocking you

[arctic socket]

But not a single nick of time yet

[lime crypt]

oh

thats what you get

then again, im like 40 runs deep and still no second nick

[onyx rain]

They don’t exist

[arctic socket]

I need at least one

[limber lion]

Yeah doesn't in Everbloom yet

Works in Atal, Waycrest, Dawn and so on

[lime crypt]

ah

[limber lion]

Gotta add the new dungeons

[lime crypt]

then it was just a bad coincidence lol

[limber lion]

Some point this week copium

[lime crypt]

can you also add kick thingy?

like

holdon

[lime crypt]

nvm i dont have proper clip

[arctic socket]

Any tricks on getting back into stealth during spiteful week , I’m farming out 15s for crests and well these little gremlins keep me in Combat, by the time they fall off the next pack is already pulled, guess just use vanish / dance for garrote / rup spread?

[manic rock]

https://wago.io/whiiskeyzplater

[lime crypt]

like color difference in cast bar

when you have ready kick= yellow

when you dont = orange

[velvet marten]

If im working on AoE for like M+ on sim's what do i use + the number of target's is ideal?

[lime crypt]

does it have good pandemic indicator?

and spatter?

[manic rock]

Hm, it does show pandemic. I'll have to check if it does CS, I have a WA for CS

[lime crypt]

what weakaura?

[manic rock]

So never really paid attention to the nameplate

[lime crypt]

sharing is caring

[limber lion]

Yeah I might yoink the interrupt script

I hate how those namrplates look though

But good functionality

[lime crypt]

https://wago.io/ak3iS95aa

i used this one

but it just doesnt feel right for assa

[shell wigeon]

yo guys, got a question, ive embersoul and im wondering whats better, cast with deathmark or cast with kb?

[limber lion]

Neither, like 4s after KB is ideal

But if you have to macro, then KB

[manic rock]

Oh mine does not currently track spatter, but I'm fairly certain I blacklisted it from the nameplate, one sec

[limber lion]

But would not recommend

Yeah my plater is specifically made for Assassination

As is Whispyr's

[shell wigeon]

till now ive had it macroed to dm but i got separate bind for it anyway

[limber lion]

But works for any and all specs

[shell wigeon]

thanks Ceverion

[limber lion]

Yeah don't macro

Just send 4s after KB for big dam

[late birch]

Yo cev, im using your plater and just wanted to check, you havent got everbloom updated with plater right?

[lime crypt]

what weakaura are you using for spatter btw?

[late birch]

like casters with blue plater and stuff

[manic rock]

Oh, I'm dumb. It's because I wasn't talented into spatter

[limber lion]

Not yet, will do later this week

[manic rock]

but yes that plater profile tracks CS

[late birch]

sick, thought i was doing something wrong the whole time <>3

[normal mist]

I got a mythic track one with leech

[median solar]

Hi. Am I drastically fucking up my opener to lose 12mill damage compared to whispyr or is the different in gear that drastic? Could someone help me please xx

Whispyr: https://wowanalyzer.com/report/m1vyCDHV2rngWaj8/5-Heroic+Igira+the+Cruel+-+Kill+(2:33)/Whíspyr/standard/cooldowns#
Me: https://wowanalyzer.com/report/CZzpTGh19KRnXbQr/7-Heroic+Igira+the+Cruel+-+Kill+(3:49)/Jimpr/standard/cooldowns#

[manic rock]

I just made one up man

But there's one on wago also

[lime crypt]

[limber lion]

Wowanalyzer is not updated for 10.2 unfortunately

I'll look at the logs later today, ping me in a few hours

On a train currently

[median solar]

Thank you! :)

I'm just seeing these rogues do some fucking stttupid numbers and I sit there trying all these new things, all these vids and I'm so far from them its not even funny lol

[manic rock]

You aren't comparing yourself to people with externals are you?

[high warren]

/wa

heey all any weak aura for assa?

[arctic socket]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[high warren]

ty

[analog inlet]

Hey, first time here. I got a question: Is there a way that I can find a priority list of items that are worth it to be put into the catalyst, since I don't know if it is worth it to rush for a 4 set piece, with a lower item level gear?

[normal mist]

Veteran gear is bad, champion gear is okayish, heroic gear is good and mythic gear is the best

[grizzled egret]

can some1 repost the list wich keys dropp wich i lvl incl. weeekly vault and to what ilvl its upgradable pls? cant find it anymore

[manic rock]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[grizzled egret]

perfect ty

so if i run 16´s i can upgrade them till 483 right?=

[manic rock]

no

[slim hamlet]

Got to 299%

[manic rock]

476

[slate crown]

I think the answer to catalyst and vault questions is really based on your raid expectations (both what raids expect from you (do you have a committed raid group you are beholden to), and what you can expect from raid acquisition (do you have easy / regular / guaranteed access to normal mode/heroic/mythic gear)?). If you have a raid group that expects max dps from you asap to help you clear, then that would mean you’d want to spend charges on getting 4 pc sooner regardless of track. If you don’t, then you can be more reserved and hold back your catalyst uses for higher tracks. Myth track being the best

[arctic socket]

[normal mist]

Hero track is 17 and above

[grizzled egret]

ahh ye right

[manic rock]

You aren't getting PI, you have no warrior, you have no monk, you have no enhance shaman.

[median solar]

Of course I understand PI helps with DPS, but i'm more curious if that and gear is the difference in 12 mill or me being shit

[manic rock]

It's a combination of everything you're comparing yourself to the wrong guy

[analog inlet]

I usually pug it, but I think I am lacking in the raid dmg wise since im 4/4 with the old set piece and some items are 415 ilevel

[dusty phoenix]

ye i had that happening aswell on advanced sims

[slate crown]

Like if you get a myth track off piece in a tier slot, that’s an insta catalyst for me, and I’m trying desperately to preserve and hold my charges for then, which meant I purposefully delayed getting 4pc despite having the opportunity to get it sooner, but I also do not have a raid group that expects the most damage out of me, I’m usually pugging

[median solar]

Understood! Thanks :)

[slate crown]

I get that, I did exactly that, I was 4pc from last season until yesterday.

[real pike]

I take the bis legs even though it breaks my previous 2 set right? Even if I have to wait to use them

[limber lion]

If you don't have raid buffs or PI, you can say goodbye to 30-40k dps instantly.

[limber lion]

Yes

[median solar]

I honestly did not know it was that impactful, thanks for the info

[real pike]

Thank you ❤️

[slate crown]

But again, it’s really subjective. Point being Myth track pieces you do not replace, so those off pieces you may get on the m+ vault row are parts of your final gear set. Hero track you may replace.

[limber lion]

The raid buffs is the big part btw not the pi

20k+ from raid buffs

[analog inlet]

I dm-ed you lisonna, if that's alright

[median solar]

Alright!

[naive elm]

When i sim for m+, what option in raid bots should i put?

Is dungeon slize viable

[slate crown]

I always just try to think of it as balancing “what piece will I not replace until next season at all” vs “how much damage do I need right now”, which isn’t a clear answer always

[analog inlet]

exactly

[slate crown]

This goes for vault as well

[indigo heath]

Is there a source on youtube people go to for ass help? Reading stuff parses are ok. Kinda want to go next level though.

[simple void]

Is it okay to cast rupture during your kingsbane/shiv window? Or rather refresh it before its pandemic timer before the kingsbane/shiv window?

[spice spire]

https://youtube.com/@whispyr5793?si=pcwJ7sH2yjuIo0jX

He did a lot of videos to teach

[slate crown]

It’s fine to cast rupture and you should. You want to fill every GCD for more poison procs.

[limber lion]

Just cast Rupture as long as you don't drop Envenom

Rupture in pandemic but Env drops in 1s?

Envenom

Rupture in pandemic but Env has 3s duration? Rupture

[simple void]

Okay thanks, was under the impression you only want to envenom during kingsbane/shiv.

[limber lion]

Rupture 1s and Env 1s, Rupture

As long as you have the buff, it's fine

[royal lantern]

rogue has 1 of the most worked on dslice sims

so yeha

you can

[jolly turtle]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/twisting-nether/Misshides
any suggestions on what i take here? I crafted legs

im literally lost

[tall atlas]

what does the sim say

[jolly turtle]

Socket/cata head

Dunno how Big shield values is om neck

For smolderon+ prog

[royal lantern]

sorry dave i'm afraid i can't do that

[grim jay]

[desert vault]

Is it a bad idea to macro Deathmark and Shiv together? Or can you even? I was trying it, didn't seem like it was working cause Shiv was on CD after Deathmark being cast?

[grim jay]

What does the fox say

[tall atlas]

dont think it will be that huge tbh

[spice surge]

Both are on the gcd, so no you cant

[royal lantern]

nerf kb dmg and Put it into other abilitys

delete pi

delete aug

[desert vault]

Ok, thanks

[grim jay]

I honestly might like a shorter kb duration

[slim hamlet]

Guys my highest stat is vers

is it over for me?

[royal lantern]

yes