assassination

[strange python]

If I had to play a hybrid - and wanted to play melee dps - i'd do pally. I swear they're always under-the-radar good

[wild birch]

At which point it is best to receive PI?

[short quarry]

i have a pally. their talents are too segregated in st and aoe

but utility is top notch

[cinder quartz]

kingsbane. haste = more poison applications

[warped prawn]

Kingsbane

[wild birch]

Thanks 👍

[oak tangle]

monk for me

[warped prawn]

Ideally line it up with your 2 mins

[short quarry]

mastery gains value with more than one target right? Simming my outlaw gear in sin and then putting in a bunch of crit mastery pieces the sim values more balanced stats for st

[strange python]

you don't see a lot of pallies or monk dps "in the wild" do you?

[oak tangle]

monks were everywhere in keys in that one expansion that doesn't exist

but raid not so much

[strange python]

yeah they were so OP

[oak tangle]

my monks name was monkagiga

i was proud of it, then i server transferred and it was taken by a pally or something

[strange python]

lol wut

[olive wagon]

do we use hissing or buzzing rune ? i see different stuff online

[warped prawn]

I sim this and use what the sim tells me

[olive wagon]

do many of you have premium raidbots? i feel like i can't sim well enough to get a full picture of the sim because it has too many alterations then

[sweet zealot]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[oak tangle]

i just pressed buttons, and made sure not to press the same one again in a row

[gusty mirage]

I mean yeah that was the spec

[brazen zodiac]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[oak tangle]

i was just there to delete sire adds with whirling dragon punch

[gusty mirage]

you did your duty soldier

[oak tangle]

i just remember using it as tech to avoid the knockbacks

really fun to play

[bleak ivy]

I had some WA for that

[keen spruce]

when I was a wee rogue

[oak tangle]

are you a BFA baby too?

[bleak ivy]

Xymox was a fun fight for a monk

[gusty mirage]

it was even more fun for DK

mechanics didn't matter

MC ghost? just ams

[bleak ivy]

yeah beying monk probably meant u were doing the seeds

but the dragon dash is like half the room

[gusty mirage]

but you'll have people tell you that cloak of shadows is OP

[keen spruce]

I started mythic raiding in bfa

this guy is still gulag'd on killrog

[gusty mirage]

you've been r1 mythic raiding rogue in my heart

since the very beginning

[bleak ivy]

man aszhara is a piece of shit

[keen spruce]

[oak tangle]

this is my first time raiding in wow

[keen spruce]

[bleak ivy]

ngl I loved this raid

[keen spruce]

I need to find my uldir rogue

[oak tangle]

i dinged 120 or whatever it was, my RL didn't trust me to get a guranteed spot in raid.

I rolled a 10 in a roll off for the last spot, i lost, someone quit the week after, I was permanently behind 1 reorigination array stack

my logs username is memzrollsten

[steel spire]

ayo nerdgasm emerald dream

toast 🤮

[keen spruce]

I don't think that one ever even level capped lol

it was my pirate rogue

ooji still on illidan from legion

naked belf only wearing legendaries

[steel spire]

f for all the uldir rogues that never got to see sub in its prime

[oak tangle]

opulence broke guilds

[strange python]

that place was hard like 2 patches later

trying to go back and farm sets, etc

[oak tangle]

yeah you need like 3 people minimum for mekatorque

[keen spruce]

where my uldir rogue go

i can't find these logs on any current toon

[lethal mortar]

anyone else waiting for the inevitable sin/hunter/havoc nerf post

[copper hazel]

pretty much

[crimson zephyr]

sometimes at a boss fight where I can just go crazy I'm energy starved, is that normal or do I do something wrong?

[strange python]

if they nerfed branch, deleted pi, and fixed aug - i dont think we'd be where we are.

[spark rain]

!wa

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[strange python]

OMG sin is 13% ahead of everyone - let's nerf them by 13%

[keen spruce]

if you're pooling correctly in a raid setting, you shouldn't FULLY starve out very often

but if you do

[lethal mortar]

ok but none of that is happening so im pretty sure we're going to get nuked from orbit

[keen spruce]

just hands off the keyboard until you have energy back

[lethal mortar]

which is honestly fine as long as they fix hunters and havoc

[keen spruce]

[kind forge]

We enjoyed opulence and blasted it
Mekkatorque and stormwall almost broke us

[keen spruce]

I'm guessing... 3% aura and a KB nerf

maybe 5%

[full summit]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

KB can get deleted for all i care

[lucid silo]

do you even really pool in raid with 4p, you mostly just focus on the envenom chain and the pooling just sorta happens on its own

[strange python]

and they can delete crackshot too

[north tinsel]

Trying to do 20s with an enhance and fury its such a meme.

[lethal mortar]

i just hope they fix havoc in keys that shit is unbelievably broken

and hunters

[oak tangle]

we always lost one or 2 in the side rooms and that just made second phase unplayable

[strange python]

I just can't see blizz being so blind that the nerf the class that gets PI

because they're ahead because they get PI

[lethal mortar]

buddy they nerfed the PI class itself as well because of PI

[harsh anchor]

wtf

[lethal mortar]

spriest is doing tank damage because mass dispell was too strong

like blizz doesnt know whats going on

[keen spruce]

not the PI shit again

stahhhp

[kind forge]

I don’t know why exactly and ever wondered about it, but we played side always clean 😅

[north tinsel]

Thats uncalled for

[lethal mortar]

does outlaw need a nerf even

[keen spruce]

no

[kind forge]

No

[oak tangle]

external vs no externals

[strange python]

i think blizz knows this *

[keen spruce]

this data isn't as helpful as it seems

[molten owl]

!wa

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[oak tangle]

i know

[keen spruce]

because the only assas rogues not getting externals are the ones in guilds that are bad enough to not give them externals

[strange python]

is hekili totally busted for sin

[keen spruce]

[kind forge]

Why do you hate kingsbane

[sturdy path]

why neltharion's call trinket is simming so high ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5LHMVPaKKt9GxJnvB1SzK5

[runic hinge]

Yes

[kind forge]

Or pug heroes

[harsh anchor]

Because ashes + branch is bad

[strange python]

I mean what if you have 3 sin rogues and 1 priest in your raid

1 can do dmg with the rest of them - the other two have to sit at the bottom?

f that

[oak tangle]

yeah but a rank 1 pug hero will smash out gnarlroot, so by the time they get to igira, the pug pi's are all sending it on the one guy

[keen spruce]

yeah

also

the best rogues

are getting externals

and won't have logs without them getting externals

so the numbers get skewed down a bit for the no external logs

[oak tangle]

the ethical rogues are using the neural dampener

that's how you sandbag, put the neural dampener in the consumables list

[keen spruce]

does that work on PI and aug

pretty sure it just stops grips and rescues

lol

[oak tangle]

it works on lifegrip

surely that means pi

[keen spruce]

funny story about silencers

this week were using an aug and a hunter as perma-ducks

on council

[oak tangle]

can't tricks a tank that was using it

[keen spruce]

and to make sure they get the first ducks

[sage igloo]

hello fellas, any good recomendation on nameplates

[flat forge]

What's the best thing to craft first? Toxic boots?

[keen spruce]

we had the aug rescuing ducks on the first set

to make sure that they knew to duck him

but half the raid had silencers on

[sage igloo]

profiles I mean

[keen spruce]

because he had been griefing people between pulls all week

rescuing them off the platforms or into lava

so he couldn't rescue anyone

then half the raid team rioted

and he got gkicked

[oak tangle]

hahaha

[keen spruce]

[oak tangle]

that is the modern wow equivalent of the boy who cried wolf

[grizzled trail]

best way to use stupid bark trinket?

slam my deathmark with it then pick 2 and extend 3rd?

[keen spruce]

I mean he as just super annoying anyways

[keen spruce]

and we were trying to make it work

but he had to go

[river nexus]

guys whats the best position for branch

[strange python]

doggy

oh wait

[oak tangle]

see above

[finite echo]

there is no way you just typed that when the image was 2 messages above

[deep latch]

We did it boys

[thin portal]

Finally when sin leads the meters, I am unable to get a dagger for the life of me hahaha

[deep latch]

now to farm 2nd nick

[oak tangle]

my second nick is coming in vault

[static crystal]

Can I borrow your hero track copium?

[lucid silo]

maybe my first nick or branch will be in the vault

[oak tangle]

hero track, what is that

myth or bust

[static crystal]

Oh, you got myth copium already???

Lucky

[oak tangle]

yeah it's coming for sure

[static crystal]

Lol

[oak tangle]

more than likely i'm taking a second myth tier piece

but

there is a chance

[fast mural]

Is 2 nick of time daggers so much upgrade?

[oak tangle]

don't think it's that much

[strange python]

like 1.7-2.2%

[oak tangle]

but free damage is free

[strange python]

versus 0

[strange comet]

guyz what is the best cd usage at kingsbane window?

should we save both shiv for there?

[strange python]

[keen spruce]

I have a bad feeling

that I'll be taking a socket

tomorrow

[slate crown]

Idn sockets are needed eventually

[oak tangle]

i'm too plep for M raid so anything from m+ slots will be an upgrade unless it's 3 sets of hands

[gusty fulcrum]

!wa

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[empty pilot]

if I want to pick up acrobatic strikes do I just drop thistle tea for it? this would be for mythics mainly

[slate crown]

There are a few options

[oak tangle]

dance

[strange python]

deeper strategim isn't a bad one

[oak tangle]

is the common one

[slate crown]

you can drop tea, which you really feel on bosses

Deeper works as well

[oak tangle]

you lose out on 10% damage somewhere basically ( not as a whole but of parts of our damage)

[short moon]

without Amp poison witch poison should i use for m+?

[slate crown]

honestly you have to drop one of the capstones, any of the 3 are options, with varying impacts. I would prefer not dance because of dance giving you imp garrote spreads

I don't think it's quite 10%

[oak tangle]

meant you lose 10% finisher, or 10% kb

[slate crown]

Oh I see.

Overall, sims (not account for un-simmed damage you gain from being able to attack at range) put the loss in the 3-5% range iirc, which may be well worth it. Utilitarian build on wowhead is an option if you want to grab a baseline

[slate crown]

Deadly (There is no choice, you need deadly specifically applied for Caustic to work)

[oak tangle]

if i had to pick, i'd drop deeper, just so that the kb window stays the same for practice

[strange python]

you dont even notice deeper missing

[empty pilot]

thanks for the help. Yeah I see the util build but it has a couple other talents that I don't particularly care for personally.. maybe at higher mythics they'll become more useful or something.

[runic hinge]

deeper is 5% finisher

[empty pilot]

Im using Hybrid Dslice right now for mythics

[oak tangle]

yeah, i factored in missing some 6 cp's and stuff, feelcraft tax

and by feelcraft, i mean i haven't played it

[slate crown]

It's a baseline, ultimately talent builds, especially selections in the class tree, are up to you to pick and modify how you like if you want different playstyle elements, being the point of talent trees in a video game.

[limpid gale]

hi there! got a question, ive been pushing some 20 and 21s and ive been falling a bit behind dps wise on some keys running with dh and bm hunters, like pulls get melted before i can properly ramp, wich build would u recommend to like having to ramp less and get better dps output (ive been running hybrid) also next week on fortified will hybrid be a bit better?

[runic hinge]

my feel craft says since you're finishing on 4+ even with deeper that last combo point matters less. Despite that I'm still not dropping it for acro

[manic rock]

you're just fucked

[west cove]

if you garrote from stealth and get the 50%dmg and cast deathmark, does another garrotte overight the bonus or duplicate it? Im not getting how Deathamrk works 100%

[empty pilot]

Yeah I feel like I get a lot out of acrobatic strikes being that I'm newer to retail and still getting a feel for a lot of mechanics and the game compared to classic WoW where I have more experience in.

I don't feel like I'm utilizing tea as much as I could, especially on non-boss encounters. The only time I really focus on using it is when I'm using KB/Dance

[manic rock]

don't group with dh and bm if you want to be able to put out aoe dmg

[buoyant herald]

You play outlaw 😉

[runic hinge]

If you're running with DH and BM theyre gonna just delete trash

[manic rock]

nothing will last long enough for you to ramp as sin

[oak tangle]

i run ap / blindside, i'm still behind my dh friend, but i feel i get closer

[slate crown]

I wouldn't play a different build. You should A) Just accept that Sin has less burst upfront damage and involves setup than DH and BM, and B) you can hold your CDs, offset your CDs from other classes and hold them for the next pack when the other classes don't have their CDs up.

[slate crown]

The gameplay utilization is also important. Like I tried acro and didn't get much use out of it because I'm used now to not having it, so I would have gotten more value out of keeping tea, but that's a playstyle thing you can settle into.

So I just stood in the mobs hitbox, inside of acro range instinctively, anyways

[spring locust]

was there away to find out which weapon runes I should use?

[buoyant herald]

Acro has a few niches uses too where you otherwise wouldn’t be able to hit a boss

[next flint]

Guys what are your opinions on assasination rouge currently I have a boost to use and I want to make me a main. And I was debating between an assasination rouge or a mage

[empty pilot]

Yeah there's a lot of shit on the ground in this game that confuses me. Im pretty sure I've been actively trying to avoid my own envenom visual thinking it's a damaging effect or something. Acro makes me feel better about it 😛

[manic rock]

go for the mage unless you really like the makeup

[oak tangle]

i'd wait till after reset to see if anything happens that sways your decision, but even then sin is a vibe i can always get behind

[gusty mirage]

#assassination message

slap that at the end of an advanced sim

[limpid ridge]

To witness ppl not knowing how to play deios after all this time is something I didnt expect

[oak tangle]

rise is the shadowy place from the simba meme

[wooden perch]

how much do I need to play around sanguine blades?

[oak tangle]

we dont go there

[wooden perch]

like what if my envenom falls off if I min max it

then its bad right?

[limpid ridge]

But Rise is hella free

[oak tangle]

approximately 20 billion multiplied by 0

[next flint]

The reset in Wednesday ?
What can change for example

[wooden perch]

nice bro

[cursive frost]

I think we all holding our breath for tuning

Along with DH and hunter

[next flint]

Assasination is a dot spec right

[gusty mirage]

yes

[harsh anchor]

Big dot

[strange python]

we're a KB spec

[crisp pine]

Watch them nerfing mistweaver for some reason

[next flint]

Oh my current main is a hunter kk

[slate crown]

Oh, poison bomb, yes, I actually find that PB covers some ground effects, it's one of the reasons I like the Arterial build which avoids taking PB, FYI

for me at least, not sure if others have that happen

[gusty mirage]

it does

[crisp pine]

no pb just covers some effects

[gusty mirage]

it's a blast in raid when it procs on top of a darkness

gl seeing ANYTHING

[next flint]

What you think assasination might get nerfed ? I tought it was middle of the park

[gusty mirage]

[slate crown]

lmao

[wooden perch]

can someone answer this seriously pls, like as someone thats not great at assa should I worry about keeping over 150 energy or ignore it for now

[oak tangle]

oi how good is it trying to find the feast on nymue

[proven jasper]

It was answered seriously

0

[strange python]

oh god

[proven jasper]

You dont play around it

[slate crown]

!pooling This is the only amount you play around blades -

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[harsh anchor]

Feast turns into a salad

[gusty mirage]

depends on if they decide to include PI considerations in their tuning

[slate crown]

#assassination message See "Without 4 piece"

[gusty mirage]

which they haven't in the past

[slate crown]

That's it, otherwise you ignore blades

[oak tangle]

sorry i didn't mean to be rude, yeah you don't play around it

[gusty mirage]

uhdk stayed stupid strong for 2 tiers cause of PI

and they didn't do shit to them

[empty pilot]

is this fair looking for mythic+ with acrobatic strikes? I dont like the Blackjack or Airborne Irritant.. Just pretty much traded Tea and Vigor for Lethality and Acro

[next flint]

What’s PI

[slate crown]

giga juice

[wooden perch]

okay thank god, way easier to just chain envenom

than track that bs

[deep latch]

So outside of CDs. For AOE, do we prio maintaining garrote and rupture on targets over envenom buff?

[limpid ridge]

"Tracking" would be afking during pulls

[cursive frost]

Or depending on how stubborn your shadow priest is, a tease

[oak tangle]

no sir, prio envenom

[next flint]

Basically wait till Wednesday right

[cursive frost]

That feeling when spriest refuses to wait more than 2 seconds after pull to PI you

[slate crown]

Airborne irritant and blackjack are super strong and I suggest trying them more. Tricks** is not as useful as you may think. This is a way you can do it, though if you try it you will almost certainly feel difficulty in managing energy, it's really rough without tea and vigor

[gusty mirage]

if you remove PI, assassination isn't anywhere near as oppressive as DH/BM Hunter

[deep latch]

Gotcha okay, this wowhead prio list confused me a bit on it

[fast mural]

I have already 1 nick of time but when i sym the 2d it isnt an upgrade.How is this possible?

[deep latch]

listed envenom as last prio

[oak tangle]

ohhh aoe, sorry, you would prio keeping caustic up, and having 5 ruptures out or so it's not a very rigid thing in aoe

[next flint]

Kk since bm is my current main and also will probably get nerfed I do need to consider if I should switch to rouge or mage maybe (I just feel bm a bit boring to play)

[fast mural]

WHy not dh?

[gusty mirage]

cause if BM gets nerfed you think DH isn't gonna get gutted too?

[static crystal]

Is it worth double garroting during dance to get full pandemic application of the enhanced garrote?

[empty pilot]

Ok thank you for that. Is it normal that I feel like I rarely have energy issues with Vigor? I mean, even excluding Tea (which I'm only really using during KB/Dance, I rarely feel like I'm starved for energy.. sometimes I feel like I'm constantly close to full even though my APM is very good

[limpid ridge]

Dont decide what to play based on nerfs

Play what you enjoy

[next flint]

Oh no

[gusty mirage]

play what you think is fun

balancing will always change

[manic rock]

lol might as well play shadow priest if what's being nerfed changes your mind

[runic hinge]

I don't think BM gets nerfed because thats like half the player base

[sweet zealot]

how do u do the opener on smolderon, he applies tornado in the middle of it?

[next flint]

I’m debating between assasination or mage

[gusty mirage]

all 3 rogue specs are fun

[oak tangle]

people can enjoy something because it's strong though, and nerfs obviously hamper that

[gusty mirage]

yeah I've heard this one before

[limpid ridge]

Go play Monk - shit never gets touched

[next flint]

I dont like dh it moves why to mouch

[gusty mirage]

and I simply do not agree

[next flint]

The skills I mean

[gusty mirage]

popularity will not save a spec from nerfs

[runic hinge]

Good

[gusty mirage]

esp when you consider "half the wow population" farms old content for mounts/mogs

I don't think they care if bm gets nerfed

[wooden perch]

so if im in a situation where envenom will fall off and I am at 3cp do I press at 3cp?

[raven egret]

You keep doing it through it all

[keen spruce]

what do you mean you don't like blackjack or airborne irritant?

[soft shale]

yes tornado is not the ground swirlies

[keen spruce]

that's like saying you don't like cloak of shadows or cheat death

[soft shale]

you just plant

[keen spruce]

[soft shale]

and dodge

[oak tangle]

being a casual friendly spec does skew the averages lower, not that i have so little faith in bliz that they wouldn't undertand that

[gusty mirage]

most wow players never even get a heroic boss kill

over half never see the final boss in normal killed

[empty pilot]

I dont know, I just started playing again a week ago and I'm running mythics around 12-15 and I just never get asked for it/Dont know how to utilize it well.

[hidden oriole]

Did the new raid on normal the other day and it was the first raid I've done since ICC 😅

[sweet zealot]

bruh, my GM is getting pissed that I greed

[runic hinge]

When you see 2 mobs casting and everyone's kicks on cd you press blind

[manic rock]

you don't wait to get asked. you just cast when everything is grouped up

[oak tangle]

you're unlikely to come into a situation where people are minmaxing or thinking about those things at that level

[gusty mirage]

people often forget that not everyone plays this game super sweaty

it is a video game after all, meant to be fun 😛

[raven egret]

Greed..? I never said anything about that, just do mechanics while doing the DPS

Takes a moment to adjust but it works out

[cunning needle]

????? This is wrong. Games are meant to be played as sweaty as possible and fun be dammed! Imagine having fun in a video game

[empty pilot]

yeah I think it's probably something that becomes more vital at higher mythics but I really wouldn't know so I'll just add those talents in over ToT

[limpid ridge]

AoE Blind comes in clutch when you have multiple mobs casting at once and your group has no aoe cc ready

[oak tangle]

aoe blind is really fun, can be super useful on the shield mobs in atal dazar for instance

[gusty mirage]

true

[runic hinge]

Pls bless my vault with at least 1 tier piece tomorrow

[gusty mirage]

brother my vaults have been absolute dogshit for 2 months now

[keen spruce]

if my video game habits aren't actively damaging my emotional, mental, and physical health then what is even the point

[gusty mirage]

why do you think my blessing will do anything

[soft shale]

i will send you some leech pants

[gusty mirage]

I contemplated a socket last week

[runic hinge]

I just need something! Anything!

[soft shale]

so you can cata them and lose the leech

[gusty mirage]

and you want my blessing?

[empty pilot]

fair enough! I'm sold on it! What about Blackjack? Do I just try and get in early before tank pulls and sap a caster or?

or is it exclusively for blind

[runic hinge]

Blackjack works off the blind, no need to sap

[unborn pollen]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[raven egret]

^ aoe stop +DMG reduction, it's gold

[empty pilot]

appreciate the help guys ❤️

[gusty mirage]

people freaking out over potential assassination nerfs, meanwhile I'm sitting here with @earnest remnant not worried cause we can play sub

[oak tangle]

you could honestly not worry about it, and take tricks for your own safety in low pugs (some times tanks are a bit "how you going" with agro)

[crimson zephyr]

I was talking in m+ boss situations

[keen spruce]

oh yeah that's normal

just hang out until high energy

[earnest remnant]

based

[keen spruce]

and start the chain again

[next flint]

You know I started by trying to main a balance Druid but couldn’t get over the fact that I will always look like a giant bird with all the cool gear and transmit that’s available
Than I changed to bm hunter but it feels a bit boring to play for me
In regards for dh it has way to mouch movements on his skills
So currently I’m thinking among 3 either rouge , dk or mage will be my next try

[limpid ridge]

There's a glyph to not make you look like a bird

You look like some space cowboy instead

[oak tangle]

don't make me have to relearn a second spec in week 3

[next flint]

Oh really

[empty pilot]

yeah I generally don't need ToT to be honest.. It feels a lot less necessary than it did in Classic at least

[gusty mirage]

if you pretend shadowdust doesn't exist, it's really not that bad

[empty pilot]

so pretty much whenever DBM yells "Crowd Control" lol

[oak tangle]

i don't know what shadow dust does, if that gives an incling of how much i looked at anything but the right side of the tree since season 1

[raven egret]

I tried 😭

[earnest remnant]

shadowcraft refunds are like drugs, ngl

[gusty mirage]

I got 6 in a row one pull

[next flint]

Umm intention of doing it now was in the hopes that if I make my char now Il still be able to at get good progress towards my great vault till Wednesday

[outer cairn]

Switching to sub I can’t imagine being to hard since played it last tier. Just 2 dances now and vanishing to reduce cds

[limpid ridge]

Sub is not Dom enough

[earnest remnant]

only tip i will give you is

[sweet zealot]

ok i found a workaround, ill just skip deathmark on opener

[earnest remnant]

dont go into a boss blind on it

like i did

[raven egret]

What

[gusty mirage]

I'll give you another sub tip, don't forget to check your binds

[earnest remnant]

i had done 0 sub practice for Smolderon

[gusty mirage]

and stand there looking for eviscerate in your spell book

[cunning needle]

Mate you're cooked

[gusty mirage]

[cunning needle]

Not doing /cast eviscerate

Smh

[dusty phoenix]

Just press vendetta

[limpid ridge]

Idk just delete and reroll monk

[outer cairn]

Yeah if you are typing in your casts are you a true rogue?

/use 14

[forest notch]

Is it safe to assume that if the guide says 4+ combo points use X that I should always send at 4 if I have or is there situations to stack to 5/6 combo points? I assume maybe if energy is capped spend more? but maybe not.

[cunning needle]

!pool

[strange python]

If the guides say 4+ you should send at 4+

[cunning needle]

Hmmm I thought that'd do something

[oak tangle]

the envenom before deathmark, and if you are slow on button presses, the envenom before rupture

[cunning needle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[cinder quartz]

did somebody say "leech pants?"

[hearty onyx]

during KB, what do we do to if we have freetime? Just slap in extra mtulate + envenoms?

[next flint]

I do think Il boost a rouge what’s the worse that can happen if it gets nerfed it will eventually also get buffed better to try and see if I like it

[soft shale]

yea and then you cata them and lose the leech

[native wraith]

should i worry about pooling if i dont have tier set right now

[peak bobcat]

double leeeeeech

[strange python]

that's the point - to spend mutilates and envenoms. That's not free time.

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cinder quartz]

i would simply roll leech on the leech pants 😎

[whole mantle]

hey, the order of lethal poisons change anything?

[outer cairn]

Might have to do some light reading, but I don’t think sub really changed all that much did it? Still using symbols at certain times. Build danse stacks before sectech

[keen spruce]

did someone say leech pants?

[hearty onyx]

ye I just wondered if there was some other ability that boosted KB more since im in it's window

[gusty mirage]

that's cause those pants come with leech on them

they're not a rolled tert

[strange python]

you know to shiv at under 8 sec left, tea at under 6 and vanish at under 3 right?

[gusty mirage]

or did you think everyone got giga lucky to roll leech on those pants

[strange python]

Other than that, you're buildin and spendin as fast as you can

[outer cairn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[outer cairn]

There’s a WA there for KB timing

LE

[cinder quartz]

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

[mighty lake]

Any good assa rogue vods/dungs I can watch somewhere?

[outer cairn]

I need that too

[cinder quartz]

shiv glows when you wanna shiv, icon glows yellow when you wanna tea, icon glows blue when you wanna vanish

[mighty lake]

Fucking finally thanks so much

[hearty onyx]

Yes but after shiv-dance-KB-garr-evenom-muti-muti-rupt -shiv - NOTHING - NOTHING - tea - NOTHING - NOTHING - vanish - garr - envenom

[soft shale]

yes i know that is the funny thing

[hearty onyx]

those nothings, wondered what i fill those with

[strange python]

what is the nothing nothing?

[gusty mirage]

those pants can roll a second tert though

so stay at it boys

[hearty onyx]

its free globals

[cunning needle]

Mutilate or envnom

[gusty mirage]

aim for the leech/avoidance pantaloons

[hearty onyx]

that is not shown in guides

[cinder quartz]

free globals just spend on 4+ cp envenoms

[hearty onyx]

alright ty

[strange python]

yeah build with mut and spend on envenom

[cinder quartz]

those envenomous explosions

[manic rock]

Zero puts some of his m+ runs on youtube

[limpid ridge]

Cant remember which dungeon it was,but green nono zone under green poison bomb is no fun

[mighty lake]

got a his ytb channel name? could not find

[limpid ridge]

[icy iron]

whats that enchant? ;o

[cinder quartz]

eb 2nd boss maybe

[manic rock]

https://www.youtube.com/@zerocoolpro

[brave lark]

do we have any good assa log reviewers in here?

[mighty lake]

Ah perfect thx

My issue with guides right now is that there's no clear guidline for what to do during cd downtime. Some say to 4cp+ envenom uptime no matter what and some say to pool over a certain %.

And this changes when u get 4 set ppl say

[strange python]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[strange python]

Other than that, just trust the wowhead guide.

[mighty lake]

But just so I understand it right since I'm without 4p:

I should be trying to keep envenom uptime at as high as possible while not going below 50% to abuse sanguine.

[strange python]

You can ignore the 50%

[normal mist]

Daily rant why i hate M+

• Queued a 18 RISE (my highest was a 13 so i really wanted to just finish it for the points), we oneshot everything until last boss, which we wipe twice and the (its always them) HUNTER says "gg++" and fucking leaves. It was so doable, even if we went like 1/2 minutes overtime.

[strange python]

and might as well focus / learn how to do - envenom uptime now

[normal mist]

30+ minutes wasted.

[mighty lake]

Why do ppl say to ignore the 50% when it's a major % in my aoe dmg?

[strange python]

because you could be doing other things that will equal damage as well.

[mighty lake]

Envenom uptime isint it just keeping the buff up?

[strange python]

yes

[mighty lake]

?

[cinder quartz]

aoe you shouldn't have too much trouble since you got high energy from garrote/rupture ticks, right

[strange python]

Case A) you're doing nothing and sanguine is doing damage
Case B) you're doing other things that do damage (and sanguine isn't doing any damage)

[mighty lake]

I don't get why the focus is on keeping a 6 second buff up as if it's rocket science. The KB rotation is by far the most annoying part about assa to learn. Keeping a simple maintenance buff up is nothing in comparison

[keen spruce]

[strange python]

because the math says that is the best way to put out damage.

It's not cause "we like it" or "its rocket science"

it's just math

[mighty lake]

No my point isin't that you understood it wrong.

I'm talking about the preface and the weight people put on new rogues here

[neat horizon]

so guys you approach a big pack but its split up. Do you wait till its gathered so you garrote one add like 2-3 times so that it spreads and you rupture him ? Or do you tab target garrote and rupture? Also before that do you mutilate once for the caustic spatter then you spam fan of knives and finish with envenom?

[next flint]

If I boost a rouge now do you guys think I have enough time to fill my vault with decent stuff ?
Like lfr raid slots
And some mythic slots or I better off waiting for reset

[thorn fjord]

I dont usually wait till 1s to refresh env (My patience is rough)

[mighty lake]

It's 90% learning kingbane, rest is just keeping a buff up without overcapping on energy

[normal mist]

sim, I mean, yes

[next flint]

My reset happens on Wednesday

[thorn fjord]

usually refresh around 2-3 seconds

[lunar thicket]

guys what item are you crafting to have the toxified armor patch?

[next flint]

Ok

[icy iron]

wrists.

[strange python]

I think wrist is the goto because higher ilvl waist is available.

[lunar thicket]

got it, much love mates ❤️

[normal mist]

a boosted character (with the pre expansion boost) gets you 424, i believe thats enough for LFR

[cinder quartz]

i'd go with whatever has a bigger replacement for you at the time of craft personally

[next flint]

Yeah

[neat horizon]

Pls help this is really important knowledge for me

[proven jasper]

Not worth in the long run to do that though

[cunning needle]

You can also go belt because engi braces and tier helm

[next flint]

But I need to finish the campaign up to a certain point to unlock the raid don’t I ?

[cunning needle]

Honestly it doesn't make much difference

[oak tangle]

you wouldn't want to cast that rupture

[proven jasper]

Wrist/belt the safest

[normal mist]

does your main has it unlocked?

[next flint]

Yes

[normal mist]

let me check an alt

[next flint]

I already did on my hunter

[normal mist]

gonna check my boosted warrior, that didnt no any PvE stuff

[proven jasper]

You dont need to finish the campaign for the raid

[normal mist]

its there, you can yeah

[next flint]

Ok

[eternal geode]

Is there any plater script/mod to let say, color health if garrote is active, color health a different color if rupture is active and another color if both are active on the target?

[next flint]

Umm than Il boost fast and start filling my slots I think

[oak tangle]

Boosted characters have a delay on gaining loot and joining group finder stuff

[next flint]

Oh right

[cinder quartz]

tab is technically better since if you spam on one it's only generating 2 new bleeds instead of 3 new bleeds. even though a 3rd garrote is overcapping on CP, you're also getting imp garrote, so garrote everything until imp garrote window runs out, then rupture someone, mutilate them for spatter, then fok->rupture til IC runs out. then pick the prio target and KB them (making sure to mut them after so they are the caustic spatter source)

[next flint]

Never mind I’l wait for reset

Before I boost

Thx

[outer cairn]

@hearty onyx if you are in your KB window yes it’s shiv, dance, kb, gar and then you’re in a CD so you are spending energy. So you’re just spamming mutilate and envenom. That’s what you are doing in those global.

[neat horizon]

Oh my finisher should be rupture till IC runs out ? Whats the point of that if most of them already have rupture ?

[cinder quartz]

i just mean make sure rupture is on everybody.

once rupture is active on all your targets, crimson tempest and envenom are your spenders

[neat horizon]

and is it fine if i do it from 1 add or does the same garrote rule apply ? tab target rupture stuff ?

[mighty lake]

Scenario:

5 mobs. KB combo is on cd. You have opened and your ruptures have fallen off when they're around 6 to die. You have already envenom up etc. Is it worth to spend CP on a 6 second rupture or just spam envenom despite having uptime?

[outer cairn]

It’s 10 seconds. Ideally everything is bleeding but also you’re looking at making sure you are getting energy and at 20 stacks of scent

[cedar cairn]

hey guys is there any1 that can help me with the single target rotation for assa in m+ i should be doing 107k atm with my gear according to raidbots but i cant get higher than 75k after my burst!^^

[mighty lake]

Answer is always kingsbane

[neat horizon]

my god i really should join higher than +20s as in that 10 second window not a single pack lives past 4 seconds

[heavy jolt]

so i dont really understand the BiS list on wowhead, why are there so many pieces with vers?

[candid nymph]

Hi guys, it's better to keep T2 new season + T2 old season or T2 new season + ilvl ?

[oak tangle]

it can be worth to put a rupture out, depending on how much energy you have. but if you are lots of energy just envenom

[outer cairn]

Sudden Demise is touch of death on very low key trash

[cinder quartz]

vers isn't bad, it's just not as good. https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/secondary_distributions/castingpatchwerk

[mighty lake]

Okay, then the question becomes, how many seconds rupture is worth over a "wasted" envenom that doesnt give u uptime?

[strange python]

huh

[heavy jolt]

but there are crit/mastery options that you could get instead right?

[deep latch]

How big of dps loss is it to get all 3 orbs from branch quick rather than prolonging 3rd orb if say a shitty mech happens when you pop trinket?

[proven jasper]

The witherbark branch trinket gives us ALOT of mastery so all other stats gain huge value

[heavy jolt]

ah ok

[granite scaffold]

Is there an alternative talent build for tyrannical vs fort weeks in m+?

[outer cairn]

Work on ilvl before you focus on secondary stats

[latent bison]

Hey, can anyone help with a resource/best way to use Witherbark's Branch? or is this just sim bait? Specifically, opener and/or playing around it with KB

[outer cairn]

Agility is better

[proven jasper]

But yeah what he said

[cinder quartz]

bis is a bit of a myth

[strange python]

if the mob is gonna die in 6 seconds, you don't want to rupture it.

[cinder quartz]

in retail anyways

[oak tangle]

i don't understand this question, you are sniping the mob with rupture for energy return

[waxen oyster]

bis is double 489 nick of time

[shy pecan]

It’s not sim bait

[waxen oyster]

whether you get that is a diff story

[strange python]

If you're looking to regain energy, you can rupture it and just get (even more) energy back though. I do this in world questing, etc a lot

[candid nymph]

Hi guys, it's better to keep T2 new season + T2 old season or T2 new season + ilvl ?

[outer cairn]

Yes. You can take Shock build. For Fort run Knives and TTB. For Tyran you can take Venom Rush and Blindside.

[waxen oyster]

honestly sin on lower everblooms is just comedy

”stop roll bursting”

[cunning needle]

[waxen oyster]

sudden demise

oops

[slim hamlet]

This

[outer cairn]

Stay 2 and 2 till 4

[slim hamlet]

There is legit no option to stop

It just goes as it likes

good luck healer

[gusty mirage]

"WHY DID YOU ROLL BURSTING?"

me:

[waxen oyster]

ngl when i played outlaw in lower everblooms

[oak tangle]

can't stop, won't stop

[waxen oyster]

monke brain sees bte reset chain

and monke brain will not stop

anyway

[slim hamlet]

Me going afk in a corner when things about to burst, so they dont think it's my fault

🙂

[outer cairn]

Sin rogue joins group. Find a priest.

[cunning needle]

Healers don't need cooldowns for trash anyway. May as well use them for bursting

[strange python]

meanwhile it's still your fault - Sudden Demise, Sudden Demise, Sudden Demise, Sudden Demise

[mighty lake]

@oak tangle Yeah, so how many seconds worth of rupture is more worth in terms of dps than an envenom (assuming envenom is 5+ seconds up already and you don't need energy in the remaining time of this pull).

[waxen oyster]

rotate dwarf

and cloak

[granite scaffold]

Anywhere these builds are posted, I’m assuming icy or wowhead has it? Thanks I’n advance

[outer cairn]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[oak tangle]

you wouldn't rupture if you dont need energy

[outer cairn]

Behold

[strange python]

The whole rupture.

[waxen oyster]

real question

[strange python]

Other than that, you'd have to calculate it yourself.

[waxen oyster]

why is gnarlroot a trash mob

in everbloom

[gusty mirage]

cause he roots everyone

[slim hamlet]

There are like 20 gnarlroots around the world

[gusty mirage]

and takes forever to die

therefore he's trash

oh

you meant like actual trash

[strange python]

I think he's troll to pull into packs

[slim hamlet]

Gnarlroot is actually good on tyran

[waxen oyster]

viable kb target

[slim hamlet]

insane efficiency and roots insta die if you actually stack

[robust scaffold]

how do u save a log on Details lol

[slim hamlet]

instead of healer being in africa

[outer cairn]

Yeah. Full caustic spatter cleave time.

Thanks gnarl

[waxen oyster]

i had a resto shaman ask why no one kicked

on council boss

meanwhile hes lowest kicks

[charred mango]

What do you guys do for packs that die off fast? Like the first packs in fall or the risen dragons and the small blobs later on

[outer cairn]

Garrote

[strange python]

let everyone else blow their cd's

[outer cairn]

More garrotes

[strange python]

then blow up the next pack 😄

[outer cairn]

Some ruptures

Ct

Shiv

Pop

[waxen oyster]

me when the ranged

dont kick the stun on the one caster out in africa

[outer cairn]

Can someone make a sound effect when Sudden Demise procs that makes a popping sound so we know

[oak tangle]

get there earlier and unload with evasion up so you have dots out when they arrive (pls dont do this)

[outer cairn]

That’d be neat

You guys handle this pack, I’ve got the next one.

[midnight atlas]

Progged 2 bosses without dm+branch macro, just normal dm. didnt have it on the bar

[outer cairn]

Gamer

[oak tangle]

this kept happening to me in week 1 of patch, then i realised it was cause i wasn't hitting save on my macro after editing it

[midnight atlas]

i had the macro on the m+ spec, not on the raid spec

[strange python]

i just use shared action bars - for every spec

[oak tangle]

but flying blade goes where crimson tempest was

and then i don't press it

[deep latch]

Branch is so difficult to see sometimes jeez

[lunar thicket]

oh wait, toxic thorn is better than slimy expulsion? or am i just mistaking both items

[midnight atlas]

slimy is deadge

[deep latch]

Anyone got a good branch WA?

[midnight atlas]

i mean 3% dmg vs 5.5 %

yes

https://wago.io/4Q2L1LNd5

[grizzled trail]

any1 smart whos killed mythic nymue. when were u sending ur shit. did u open on boss then hold till boss again>?

feel like i cant get another kingsbane on add without desyncing everything

[crimson kettle]

outlaw vs assa in m+ whats better

[earnest remnant]

boss, add, boss, add, boss, add, boss

[strange niche]

Whatever you have more fun with 🙂

[cunning needle]

Check lorrgs. Only one guy full sends asap at start and gets a 2nd before add

Everyone else pops 1min on the add

[limpid ridge]

Still waiting for the day to mog 1h swords on every rogue spec

[scarlet orbit]

does splatters range is around you or the target you have splatter on?

[strange python]

target

[earnest remnant]

12 yards around the target

[scarlet orbit]

thanks

[crimson kettle]

ty

[rotund oak]

assassination has ironwire,outlaw maybe(?) more dmg

goes down to that pretty much

[midnight atlas]

ironwire is mini darkness

we got utility

[rotund oak]

ironwire is insane

spamable silence+15% dmg reduction

''aoe''

[cursive frost]

Sin is very very competitive

[eternal heath]

What does that do again

[cursive frost]

In m+

[eternal heath]

Oh is that what gives the gar silence? Love it

[rotund oak]

its extremly powerful

[eternal heath]

That and aoe blins

Blind

[rotund oak]

all rogues got airborne irritant

irowire is sin nspecific

[eternal heath]

Oh I didnt say it was sin specific, I just love it

[outer cairn]

Blackjack comes into affect after the AoE blind falls off which is more DR, but it’s really just nice to have an aoe cc

Somehow sub gets the AoE kidney.

[eternal heath]

Tragic

[red wolf]

thought they removed that a while ago?

[slate crown]

https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9 If you didn't find it, still catching up on msgs, you all type so much. It's in my profile in the WA bot command btw, "LE's Profile" for future reference

[rotund oak]

hey my man,what is the shadowstrike bug again?

sry to ask,forgot

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[outer cairn]

I linked it for him

I got you

[slate crown]

https://wago.io/q7bHLuILp Here's mine if you want another options.

[slate crown]

[outer cairn]

Can you also make one that makes a pop sound every time sudden demise procs please and thank you

[slate crown]

uhh no but you can

combat log -> spell damage -> sudden demise duration 0.1 alpha 0% on show: sound

[outer cairn]

I’d need to be on game and play around with it

[slate crown]

I don't see a reason to make it myself, it would just be for fun, but it's a simple enough lift to do, take it as a learning opportunity 🙂

[outer cairn]

Yes. For fun. Just to hear it. I’ll mess around when I get home

[midnight atlas]

in raid swapping between aoe for trash and st for bosses. does it happen to you also that caustic splatter doesnt work after changing specs?

nevermind

swapping spec removes poisons

[brave lark]

is there a channel for like log reviews ect?

[slate crown]

It can yeah. Gotta get good poison reminder auras 🙂

[outer cairn]

You just do !log

I think

[next flint]

Umm guys I’m a bit worried I’ve played till now with bm hunter and balance Druid and never played melee do you guys think Il have a hard time doing melee?

[brave lark]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[brave lark]

...

need a nerd to review it for me :/

[next flint]

Also how long after a boost till I can acsses lfg and queues and get loot from it

[slim hamlet]

Are people not running sudden demise this week because of bursting?

Now there are multiple top m+'ers going without it

Didn't feel like sudden demise was scary on higher keys

[grand trail]

finally got totem and managed not green parse 😄

[velvet ridge]

I think it's because you can drop it for more single target dps

[nimble beacon]

is assassination easy to pickup? easy in relation to the other two specs?

[slim hamlet]

probably not

[velvet ridge]

I think it's a different brain function

[knotty falcon]

Hey, is there a feint cheat sheet for this patch somewhere?

[tranquil stirrup]

Wafting Devotion > Sophic devotion ?

[slim hamlet]

what sims higher

[slim hamlet]

!atro

[prisma monolith]

Atrophic poison in Raid: link

[tranquil stirrup]

ill check

[slim hamlet]

This for raid

[knotty falcon]

ty

[slate crown]

That's not something we can answer. I think playing either ranged or melee predisposes you to certain experiences and expectations, and those will be challenged by trying the other category if you haven't before. It may be harder to play melee or easier for you, but the best way to know is to try. I don't think it means you will inherently have a hard time

[velvet ridge]

I have a hard time playing ranged

I can't live not melee

[outer cairn]

The real question with playing melee is….can you wiggle?

[velvet ridge]

But that's because of my experiences like he said

[slate crown]

Me as well

[storm forum]

As an Assassination rogue main most of my life, I like boomie. Meh on hunter though. That doesn't really mean anything though.

Rogue is actually like the only melee I enjoy

[next flint]

Yeah the is a bm boring to me kkk I want to change

[frigid maple]

popped deathmark kingsbane PI and everything on Nymue ready to pump, and then u get the bomb sadge

[cunning needle]

Hold until 2 second then cloak sprint run out and then shadowstep back

[lofty junco]

I'm now searching since like 3h for anthing near +10 and can't find a single key that tkaes u with 454 ilvl

[cunning needle]

Just be a healer instead and they take you at 450 ilvl to 19s

[outer cairn]

Run your key

[cunning needle]

Or that

Then you can be the one ignoring 454 ilvl people

[outer cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-planet-the-power-is-mine-flying-gif-14016404

[slate crown]

holy shit that's a throwback

[outer cairn]

It’s how my brain works. He said something and that quote triggered.

[lofty junco]

btw what would be the priority for keys? first gonna get the daggers from fall?

[slate crown]

Fall daggers, EB trinket are the two biggest

Trinket from fall, trinket from throne

[outer cairn]

I would just get gear and not focus to much unless you getting them on at least champion track

[empty pilot]

for upgrading gear, it says "season maximum 180 on wyrm's dreaming crests. Does this reset every week or once I've used the 180 I'm done for the season?

[slate crown]

That season maximum cap increases every week

on all characters

It's just a global cap that increases week by week

[fallow acorn]

brewmaster, disc, aug, enhance, me

IS THAT A NICE GROUP

[buoyant herald]

With branch, crab trinket loses a bit of value since too much mastery, other trinkets sim pretty close as a result (Mydas, sandglass)

[gusty mirage]

how bold of you to assume the enhance is gonna play wft

[empty pilot]

so if I exhaust them all in one week then I'm not going to be assed out in the longterm and I can eventually farm more the following week?

[slate crown]

Sure, it's just a better object than like, a green

[fallow acorn]

bribes

[buoyant herald]

Definitely true 😂

[outer cairn]

Aug = ebon might, pre science , prescience, get carried

[slate crown]

Should sim it, I did and it was an upgrade over my 447 nelth trinket from aberrus and I have branch too

[slate crown]

Every week you'll be able to acquire more

[gusty mirage]

kidnap his family

in exchange for wft

[buoyant herald]

But people should know other than branch, the options are pretty flexible and they shouldn’t go crazy farming two things

[lofty junco]

i love this groups the most. not having anything themself but rejecting for jsut a +11

[outer cairn]

I have branch, sandglass, periwinkle, and one dagger.

[fallow acorn]

I have being capped on crests

[wooden perch]

is a /cast Ambush /cast Mutilate macro usable?

[fallow acorn]

DUMB

[outer cairn]

I think I may just focus on IO tonight because I can’t live in that cave anymore.

[iron valve]

why tho

[fallow acorn]

8 runs, no drops, capped on crests, capped on flightstones

feelsbadman

[outer cairn]

Sucks because I have a 20 buts not till like the 22s/23s where the pugs aren’t too bad

[slate crown]

No and there's not really a reason for that for blindside. You could do a /cast [stance] Ambush; Mutilate for the purposes of stealth swapping the button, but that's about the extent of it

[acoustic olive]

whats the addont that shows the class roles?

[lofty junco]

premade groups filter IIRC

[acoustic olive]

thx

[wooden perch]

yes thats

for stealth windows

[outer cairn]

Put ambush on your stealth bar and mutilate on your normal bar. You don’t need a macro anymore.

[proven jasper]

you could literally just put ambush where mutilate is in stealth though

[static crystal]

Any Fyrakk experts know what I'm taking too much damage from?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FKhpxbfyYXQ3WHTg#boss=2677&difficulty=4&wipes=1&type=damage-taken&source=321

[outer cairn]

Need more fire resistance

[static crystal]

Lol truuuu

[limpid ridge]

Nah its just not possible to run rise in time

[atomic rune]

Are there any Warcraftlogs super geniuses in here? Do you know if I can exclude a class from showing up within the logs Im looking for? Im trying to see if there was ever a Mythic log recorded that didn't have a Mage in it.

[static crystal]

I'm sure some of it was avoidable on my part. I'm kinda making up when/where to feint and using cloak/stone form to cleanse the Debuff DoT Afflame

[wooden perch]

ah true

im dumb

[vital arrow]

Is it worth it to start a boss pull with the one minute burst (kb +shadow dance) and pots then do the 2 minute burst so that you can have your 2 minutes line up with 2nd pots?

[thorn fjord]

prob not

[real beacon]

hello i have question , in shadow dance i spam ambush or ambush and spend cb on envenom?

[thorn fjord]

Youre gonna want to get as many envenoms during SD/KB as possble

[jade abyss]

for the dance kb macro i put dance first right ?

[strange python]

whats the ! for the igira dagger buff explaintion ?

[thorn fjord]

yeah

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[strange python]

cheers

[real beacon]

in aoe? same or crimson tempest?

[thorn fjord]

Never spam CT only use to put bleeds up

[real beacon]

aah

[waxen oyster]

honestly beast is probably the best buff

from dreamcarver

[thorn fjord]

I havent even bothered getting the buff lol

[real beacon]

so when i have bleeds ALWAYS envenom right?

[thorn fjord]

yeah if all your bleeds are up and you're not low on energy send env

Like if you have cd's coming back up you'll want to pool some energy for cd's

[real beacon]

yeah i have problem with energy

[waxen oyster]

sometimes it falls off when you swap specs which can be annoying

[kind forge]

10% ms not bad either

[thorn fjord]

The movement speed one seems cool

[kind forge]

I use that

[waxen oyster]

yeah its 10% on places you've fully explored

elemental is just 1% dr to 3 magic schools

and waterwalk

[kind forge]

It’s always 10% in dungeons and raids, no?

[waxen oyster]

never used in outdoor content

[cinder quartz]

colossal majesty bis. 25% size increase

[thorn fjord]

The wording is weird

[indigo oyster]

I'm having some trouble with my caustic spatter not doing much dmg at all. Is there any particular way I need to play around it with?

[waxen oyster]

10% leech when low is fun

not pressing feint

or vial

[cinder quartz]

just make sure it's on your kb target. also generally make sure you even have it up lol. tons of times i mut before rupture and miss it

[indigo oyster]

Oh am I supposed to place it after Ive set my bleeds? AS in, after I have done Kingsbane, and not have it up before that?

[cinder quartz]

well to apply it you need rupture on the target

so you'd want to apply rupture to everything, mut your target, then kb

[indigo oyster]

Oh I misunderstood what you meant

Aight I see, guess I just gotta be more careful not to accidentally reapply it to other targets

Thanks 🙂

[waxen oyster]

dont mutilate or ambush your non kb target

[cinder quartz]

if you use nameplate debuffs to track, you can add caustic spatter and kb to make sure you always have them paired

[indigo oyster]

That'd make things easier, yea. First time I'm actually rly playing assa, so its a little awkward at times for me

Thanks for the help!

[waxen oyster]

tyrannical keys are weird

because average mob wont live a kb

[cinder quartz]

i love using kb in tyrannical and the total damage it does is 300k

[worn igloo]

Sin is dumb on Tindral, why can't I play outlaw

[cinder quartz]

[waxen oyster]

would be nice having priests

that arent floorpov

its fun not having to worry about tricks doing sin keys though

outlaw sometimes cant even tricks because pally horse counts as mounted

[copper moth]

so does 4set do 30% extra single dmg or 150%

ingame it says 30% but the most recent changelog says 150% again

[naive sierra]

ok frens, when hit branch button

[cerulean walrus]

Macro to DM

[crisp pine]

Press DM, then click on branch with your mouse

[cerulean walrus]

True

Just like Nick clicked on the seed button

[crisp pine]

from your character screen tho

[surreal citrus]

lmao

[smoky helm]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[midnight cloak]

/use [button:1] Instant Poison; [button:2] Atrophic Poison; [button:3] Instant Poison
/use [button:1] 16; [button:2] 17; [button:3] 18
/click StaticPopup1Button1

If someone is in need or interested in a left click/right click go to poison macro 😄
left click - instant poison
right click - atrophic poison
change poison names with the one you need for M+/ST and enjoy 😄

[strange python]

waht is 18

18 = ranged

[wary relic]

How long are people keeping branch buff going for, are we getting full buff straight away or extending it because I was trying to find out if mastery dynamically updates bleeds or snapshots

[strange python]

you wanna pick the first orb up 1 second after popping. The next 1 more second. And the last 7 seconds after that.

[earnest remnant]

they are dynamic

[slate crown]

In keys, how much damage is physical? How much does this talent provide, isn't most like, passive damage from keys magic damage?

[midnight cloak]

u can ignore the 18
but honestly I never touched the numbers again after finishing this macro and it'll work as intended 😄 just try without 18 maybe it'll work to but If it wont work .. put it back xD

[stray mural]

Reading over all the changes, do we ever use shiv outside of kb now?

[slate crown]

not in normal dps situations, no

Sometimes you are holding CDs for 30+ seconds for lust or an add wave or something and then you can use a charge for some free damage if it will be up anyways, or you need an enrage dispel

but normally, no, you don't use it outside of KB

[stray mural]

Word.

[strange python]

is there a weak auras command or resource for bleeds/kingsbane

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[midnight cloak]

iirc 18 was like for throwing axes etc. but these are non existent in retail anymore I guess so yeh

[strange python]

ty king

[slate crown]

^Packs are good here, if you want one-off standalone stuff for your existing set, LE Profile has several

[stray mural]

So it’s mostly the same spec except now we have much more powerful tools at our disposal and the tree has nicer pathing

[slate crown]

The basics of the spec are the same, yes

[stray mural]

I haven’t played sin since df season 1 and then I became a sub convert

Looking to multi spec now

[slate crown]

Most notably our Aoe kit has expanded greatly

[stray mural]

Yeah idc becoming a passive is bananas

Love that

[twin hull]

Hey new to assasination...just wanted to know what build i should run for m+

[rugged sphinx]

mydas trinket mega low drop rate, or am i just being unlucky

[paper lagoon]

Anyone here available to chat abit about Assasination rotation and stuff , i've started recently playing assasin and i get the rotation but in m+ it seems like my dps is kinda off in aoe and cant quiet get what am i doing wrong , i checked the wowhead stuff and i still dont get it

[slim hamlet]

!atro

[prisma monolith]

Atrophic poison in Raid: link

[limpid lava]

any build suggest for fyrakk HC ?

[keen spruce]

ST + spatter

[slate crown]

!guide lots of resources available to research.

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[open hull]

Are Embersoul + Cataclysmic Sgnet Brand BiS trinkets for Assa?

[gusty mirage]

no

[open hull]

That was what rogues in Echo and Liquid ran, is why i am asking

[copper moth]

i got nick of time and both raid daggers

so which one i take

[keen spruce]

nick of time better at the same ilvl

[copper moth]

y but i got only 1

what do i take in off hand

[keen spruce]

what are the ilvls

[bold drum]

got 2 nick of time before i got the trinket never even seen it drop

[spice surge]

Same

[keen spruce]

branch is better than ashes. but many of the RWF people did not want to play around the branch orb mechanic for whatever reason

[spice surge]

I only did like 20 runs though, so cant complain too much

[bold drum]

yeah i did 23 for both so not too bad either

[keen spruce]

highest ilvl in main hand, nick of time in OH

[bold drum]

but one day

[raven egret]

20 !? How

Took me 36 runs to get a single dagger lol

[copper moth]

k and upgrade is nick>?>?

[keen spruce]

well if you upgrade the nick and it becomes the highest ilvl then that goes in your MH

[waxen oyster]

still no branch

got a lower mydas first run

[spice surge]

Dont upgrade offhand dagger

[copper moth]

y i know that much Xd

[spice surge]

Unless you have nothing else to upgrade, its the worst slot

[copper moth]

kk so rather upgrade set pieces or raid tirnkets

ccan always run higher keys

[tall rose]

Can i make a kingsbane macro to add in the instant cast with it when i hit it.

[leaden vector]

is there a macro that exchanges mutilate for ambush when you get blindside procs? just to save the keybind for when you are out of stealth?

[gusty mirage]

the game automatically exchanges mutilate for ambush when you get a blindside proc

[leaden vector]

heh?

oh didnt realise lmao

[gusty mirage]

yeah it was added this patch

[leaden vector]

big

[real stirrup]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[leaden vector]

saves a lot of effort then

[crisp pine]

huge if true yea

[gusty mirage]

[charred mango]

Do those dagger effects show up as buffs? I’ve tried using the dagger on beast mobs but it never shows up in my buff list

[waxen oyster]

its a buff yes

no duration

[charred mango]

Any reason why it doesn’t show up? I’ve tried it multiple times and never saw a buff

[waxen oyster]

its a wolf icon

[green apex]

If youre using Elv or somethinng else the buffs could be eaten by your settings

[unborn maple]

if anyone is using Mirror of Fractured tommorows trinket when do you use it in the rotation, 3 min cd is a decent lineup with kingsbane but i was wondering if its worth holding for every second deathmark

[charred mango]

Not using elv, idk I’ll try again later

[steep estuary]

what changes

[lethal mortar]

i can feel the sin/hunter/havoc nerfs coming soon

i feel it in the air

[neon halo]

hey guys in aoe, do we need to tab target spreading our ruptures?

[nova kelp]

then sub is probs screwed too

[raven egret]

I mean nerf PI, not Sin 😛

[lethal mortar]

oh we're geting nuked from orbit

for sure

just how hard is the question

[hybrid kiln]

Hello guys I am new in here. I just have a question. I think my rogue is broken, can you please check the video below and tell me if this is how the talent Sudden demise should work.

[nova kelp]

we just haven't been this strong in a very long time.

it's not like there HASNT been other specs just as strong, if not stronger for whole expacs

who knows, doomer, don't doomer, just play

[proud salmon]

you literally just said how hard

was fun

🫡

[lethal mortar]

o7

[outer cairn]

Not if IC is up.

[worn monolith]

how well does dungeons slice work on raidbots for sin in m+?

[neon halo]

thanks mate

[idle gorge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

Another failed rise

I just want

some fucking io

[novel horizon]

which are the best talents for mplus atm ?

[lucid rain]

where'd the key die?

[cinder quartz]

wowhead builds are all good for various purposes, read them

or just blind trust u.gg / murlock / whatever site you like

[novel horizon]

[novel horizon]

ok ty

[agile gull]

what is the actual range for caustic spatter?

[keen spruce]

like 2-3 teemos

[agile gull]

wondering about low cleave at igira mythic

[calm tendon]

!zo+

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[slate crown]

We got through the end just over time

Just lots of little mistakes

[limpid ridge]

I had 3 failed rises today

I feel you

[slate crown]

Also I have to say this build: I am liking more and more.

Like I barely notice missing deeper at all, actually I don't notice it at all