assassination

[junior aurora]

🤔

[grim jay]

Because discord name availability is as good as wow name availability

Dont judge a man

Or woman

[junior aurora]

ill judge any person that puts uwu in their name

its my god given right

[glossy snow]

Does anyone have a caustic spatter tracking weak aura by chance?

[grim jay]

My PI and IB macros have uwu in them

[grim jay]

Why would you want that

[junior aurora]

and im judging you for that

[grim jay]

Just use a decent nameplate addon

[junior aurora]

[glossy snow]

Oh I have the weak aura pack that's suggest in the wowhead guide, I'm just having trouble keeping track of the buff when there's tons of dots and other things going on in big m+ pulls

[junior aurora]

get plater

[glossy snow]

Yep got it

[junior aurora]

whispyrs plater has the health bars glow green

if spatter is on them

[runic hinge]

So does Cev's

[grim jay]

Just get used to plater ye, its way better and you keep track of all the things.

[glossy snow]

Was just looking at the top m+ assassination rogue, saw he had it and it looked handy. I'll find one. Thanks.

[royal lantern]

if you are a daily #1080572530554835072 user, its a requirment, sorry

[vivid venture]

In M+ when coming out of stealth, do u try spreading as much garrots sa possible? Or is there a limit to how many we can spread?

[hushed fable]

Technically there is a limit, it's when your garrote goes on cd. But till then you can spread like 12? 15? Although in reality you probably wouldn't do that. I just stick to 9 max, then rapture to max 6 targets cuz I can't be asked and just funnel prio and let spatter do it's job.

[sharp viper]

If you try to dot too much the BMS and DHS will already have killed most of the trash

[vivid venture]

Yeah lol

My DH pumps, but i love the ST burst of sin so i figured id gear mine up more.

Pretty sure evryones DH pumps

[halcyon hamlet]

You think DH is gona be nerfed first before sin?

[vivid venture]

Both will be nerfed.

Enh gonna be the godly class after that.

[grand trail]

We have no enh in raid

Pretty cool ngl

[steel spire]

Sin over performing better nerf sub

[grand trail]

Enjoying my green parses

[young delta]

guys can someone explain the best use of crimson tempset?

[modest glen]

We have no enh and no aug

[vivid venture]

We have one but hes not that good, my DH usually does 180-200k ST and aoe wise its all over the place. Key wise 350-400k if the tank is good. Ive ran with some really good enh playes and they do so much dmg.

[modest glen]

Horrible stuff

[grand trail]

Do not matter if he is good or not but I have no totem buff

And we have only one or none aug so yeah rip the logs

[vivid venture]

damn, ya we have 1 enh and 2 augs. its nice

[midnight mist]

I mean aug doesnt matter for logs

[grand trail]

It does

Spatter dmg

[midnight mist]

ye

[earnest remnant]

inflate dem logs

[midnight mist]

thats like

2 bosses

[grand trail]

And I'm pretty sure seal fate giving you free cp isn't accounted either

[midnight mist]

where maybe spatter is 10% higher than it should be

[earnest remnant]

sanguine blades as well dude

ITS BIG

trust

[grand trail]

Spatter is like like 4 bosses out of first 6

Only nymue a volcaros is no adds

[midnight mist]

I mean spatter is only relevant on igara and first boss

[grand trail]

It do not matter aug inflate more than just you spatter

[strange python]

Does anyone feel like assa on m+ is overwhelmingly hard? I've tried 3 diffetent builds but with no success, boss dmg is okay tho. Could it be that I dont have a 4p yet/doing +11 keys max + tyra week(everything dies so quickly)? I don't think that I am bad as a player, had 3.1k rio last season but as ww monk.

[grand trail]

Seal fate for example

[midnight mist]

very much doubt that matters but sure

[grand trail]

It maybe not

I don't know math

[mortal crystal]

I'm running a slightly modified version of this, works well for me: https://wago.io/gi4xztWWZ

[grand trail]

But I played nymue pretty good yesterday and got 40 parse

I'm sure all the asaa rogue with better public parses there had their totem and aug simping them

[slate crown]

OMG UR NAME IS TRYANUWU I would not have known @royal lantern

[earnest remnant]

it doesent

if we are talking about sealfate

is barely anything

it was massive for sub when it had it, since you could get to 100% crit on gloomblade

[glossy snow]

Thanks so much 🙂

[fringe surge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[fast phoenix]

Don’t help this guy he’s an aug spy

[grand trail]

I have -10k DPS by default but it's what it is

[midnight mist]

play outlaw instead

totem matter less

and you dont need augs

[grand trail]

True wish I could

[midnight mist]

do you even get pi

[grand trail]

They did not let me last tier play anything

Yeah I'm only PI in raid

So I parse green and te other rogue parse grey

But we competing Vs perfect comps

[plain moon]

Last tier I was playing sub with never WF and on our reclears either no monk buff or no druid buff depending on what toon a tank was on

Was pretty sad

[grand trail]

Yeah same experience

[slate crown]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grand trail]

We had good enha shaman but he rerolled after last boss kill and we did not find any since

[mighty lake]

Ty for help w that WA. Just gotta find some solution to show me an icon right now since im mega focused on rotation. @slate crown

[plain moon]

I just hate the way they’ve gone with the game in terms of raid buffs. Makes building a raid comp so rigid

[royal lantern]

eepy dog

[grim jay]

I parse atleast 90+ on prog without an aug at all, more often than not orange

[royal lantern]

[royal lantern]

prog parses

• a spec where crit rng can make big swings

[grim jay]

Yeah like its what he is complaining about

What can I say

[slate crown]

Yooo no eepy

[grim jay]

[royal lantern]

assa parses a big meme rn

[mighty lake]

Whats eepy?

[earnest remnant]

there is a wild variance swing in prog parses

just dont int

and kill bosses

[royal lantern]

the dmg can swing so hard in both directions, just because of kb crits, its insane

and yeha

parses during prog

lmao

kill boss first

[grand trail]

I have orange to r1 logs with all spec last tier so it's not like I don't know how to play the game

[grim jay]

I mean you have to kill it to parse

[grim jay]

Same, but I aint complaining

Its no aug issue

[plain moon]

Didn’t realize we had an omega giga chad around who 90+ parses mbmb

[grand trail]

We don't have WF on some bosses either

[grim jay]

Not sure what you are on about now

[midnight mist]

I parsed green on council and im very proud of it

[earnest remnant]

couldnt care less about personal parses xD

[plain moon]

Did you at least get to run around as a cute duck?

[grand trail]

I do, I don't want to look like shitter

[slate crown]

Yeah, converting the timeline to an icon would take some effort. Not monumental effort, but effort nonetheless. Like the whole framework is built to give a bunch of flexibility and be very dynamic, and a lot of the work is about the tick and text dynamic placement, and if you want Glows similar to what JPC uses, all that work becomes unnecessary, so there’s not much reusability in the conversion. It’s something I’ve considered per requests but had other priorities to work on

[spiral pasture]

our tanks made that fight into a nice ST rather than 2t cleave, loved it

[midnight mist]

yes yes I did

was very fun

[midnight mist]

ah I tought it was a st fight

mb

oh funny

[spiral pasture]

definitely gonna play spike next week

[midnight mist]

I didnt realize I was doing the same spatter damage on council than larodar

cool fight

[grim jay]

Its indeed pretty irrelevant, it was just about if they can be low because no aug and I dont think its that big, as it wasnt an issue in our group so far

[vivid venture]

Might be a dumb queston, but how do u even use these plater profiles?

[grim jay]

Install plater and Import them

[earnest remnant]

anybody worth anything wont give 2 shits about it, people in higher guilds know what to look for in logs and having full 99s isnt that

[cunning needle]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[earnest remnant]

dont be inter on prog, play the fights

show up prepared

[midnight mist]

get you into guilds idk

[earnest remnant]

do good dmg for what your character is capable of doing

and thats about it

[royal lantern]

"look at my sick pefromance, 98+ in all fights!!!"

->18average

->padding like crazy on adds, not using cd's for actually important dmg

->#3 on dmg taken and total deaths during progression

->0healthpots/healthstones used

[earnest remnant]

i mean sure some low wr guilds might look at the shiny numbers and think someone is amazing at the game, but if your goal is to go higher, they could not care less

[grim jay]

Wdym add pad isnt important?

Damage taken clearly healer mechanics smh my head

[viral aurora]

Dont forget zero feint useage hihi

[midnight mist]

I mean whats higher

[plain moon]

It was about you coming in quoting that you have 90+ parses to tell us that it doesn’t matter if you don’t have raid buffs

[vivid venture]

Why am i gonna health pot when i got some bois with mana to heal me

[grim jay]

Using no deff CDs is glorious

[midnight mist]

pretty sure even hof guilds will care about parses

[junior aurora]

well yeah they still need to see you doing damage

but they also look at the other shit

[royal lantern]

ofc its not good if someone is perma gray

but like

[midnight mist]

me

[grand trail]

Yeah they just make fun of me when I'm like 20k above second guy with 40 parse when he is 90+

[royal lantern]

they can actually check logs lol

[grand trail]

It's not like somebody is mad just make sad

[grim jay]

It was about aug + logs and not raidbuffs. Parses are comparisons, no reason to get upset if you dont know about the convo and feel irritated for some personal reason. Everything will be fine

[earnest remnant]

why waste efforts on something you have 0 control over

[royal lantern]

when people where like "we check logs" during SL

and then their "check logs" was "why was your KT kill gray??????"

like bruh, CHECK LOGS??? downward realm and holding cd's for it???

[midnight mist]

idk Im pretty sure I have control over my parses

just play good

sometimes its not enough well whatever

[earnest remnant]

wasent a comment to you

[grim jay]

I mean thats just stupid making fun of you there

[rotund marsh]

hi ive been really frustrated recently while trying to parse with assa rogue, my damage bursts pretty decent but my damage gets so low while i attempt to pool

im 450 ilvl doing 80k single target

while all my friends are doing much more at similar ilvl

idk exactly what im doing wrong since theres so many variables but i really want to improve my damage

[grim jay]

That sounds pretty familiar

[slate crown]

!guide Nearly impossible to tell what you’re doing wrong from what you’ve written, but if you haven’t, please consult these:

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

You kinda gotta provide the people with some logs to look at what you do.

[proper vortex]

Is anyone willing to look at some absolute noob logs of me swapping sin tonight for prog

[rotund marsh]

any idea how i can send damage logs?

[grim jay]

If you logged them and uploaded them to warcraftlogs you just send the link

[rotund marsh]

can i link my details damage leader add on to warcraft logs

[manic rock]

https://articles.warcraftlogs.com/help/getting-started

[royal lantern]

til

that pic has more then a gryphon rider

[flint lotus]

First time playing Assa, outside of hitting a target dummy. I didn't quite get a grip of what I was doing, but I think I still parsed alright due to getting a few PI's. Do any mistakes that I can improve on stick out to anyone? Logs

[cunning needle]

do a !log

[icy cliff]

Parse lizards smh

[flint lotus]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[flint lotus]

Well that's definitely not true 🤔

[cunning needle]

oh

guess it works for assi now

[bronze pike]

Topple fixed it

[grim jay]

Not sure if its updated

[bronze pike]

I’m sure it needs to be updated tho

Cause rework

[rotund marsh]

ive been using hekili and my damage is still bad 😦

[balmy condor]

we don't do log reviews cause there's a billion people asking for them constantly and we don't have the man power for it

wowanalyzer isn't updated

[rotund marsh]

working on uploading logs rn

[slate crown]

Oh that’s the problem then

[balmy condor]

those two things are very connected

[rotund marsh]

does hekili not give good rotations?

[balmy condor]

worse than bad

[grim jay]

I knew you would say that

[balmy condor]

hekili dogshit addon

[rotund marsh]

i perform so bad without it 😦

[balmy condor]

at best it's misleading

[rotund marsh]

is there a plugin that makes it more accurate for assa?

[balmy condor]

no

[royal lantern]

spending 1hour learing the rotation

[slate crown]

I mean sounds like you perform bad with it, and if you are focusing on it, then it is holding you back

[royal lantern]

best plugin

[balmy condor]

yeh like an hour on a dummy will help you more than that garbage ever will

hekili works great if you're just doing LFR every week on your 9th character

and aside from that

it's a joke

[grim jay]

@balmy condor btw, I know you say in your pin the builds perform equal, but considering I got fronted for saying the bloodmallet profiles you committed are all actual competitive and good builds, are they?

[balmy condor]

of course they are what

why would I submit bad builds

[rotund marsh]

it sucks because assa seems not toooo hard to learn but outlaw which i also play a lot has a lot going on

[royal lantern]

Something Something

[grim jay]

"only for comparison, because you ran some sims"

[balmy condor]

who clowned you

[grim jay]

Well ima link you in DM because I dont wanna badmouth anyone

[flint lotus]

@rotund marsh if you want a stepping stone between Hekili and learning it all yourself, you could check out my WA https://wago.io/AY49frpuO

[slate crown]

You have the power to learn it without that addon, I believe in you, I do (this is not financial advice)

[rotund marsh]

thanks! ill give it a try

[rotund marsh]

lol

[limpid gale]

hi there! big fan of ur content man! got a question if u dont mind, ive been pushing some 20 and 21s and ive been falling a bit behind dps wise on some keys running with dh and bm hunters, like pulls get melted before i can properly ramp, wich build would u recommend to like having to ramp less and get better dps output (ive been running hybrid) also next week on fortified will hybrid be a bit better?

[mighty lake]

I agree with you @rotund marsh. The Kingsbane cd usage is extremely unessecary and an addon would help so much.

Three different abilities to use inside of KB with different timers etc.

Honestly, just a KB icon with a timer would honestly be easier ngl

[rotund marsh]

i need to learn pooling better too tho

[mighty lake]

I've had too much to focus on to even look at anything else, its so odd. I've played every other class a lot easier than this.

[rotund marsh]

because ive been told different ways i should do it

but it does feel a little bad when pooling

[mighty lake]

Yeah the pooling stuff I'm getting diff answers every day.

[royal lantern]

pooling is braindead easy tbh

when energy goes out once, dont use abilitys until ~80% except for keeping bleeds running

thats the tl:dr lol

[grim jay]

You could just watch whispyrs vid and be done with it

[rotund marsh]

so spam to 0 energy save and only reapply dots until next burst window?

[slate crown]

!pooling these are the answers. If you get different answers ignore them

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[royal lantern]

like, chain envenoms until you cant, when you cant anymore-> get 4+cp and pool untim ~80% energy, re-apply bleeds during that time if they go low

when you have the ~80%, chain envenoms again

thats pooling for assa rn

(chain envenoms meaning "use envenom when envenom buff is at ~2seconds")

[rotund marsh]

ok

ill try it out

sucks that i still havent gotten a single piece of tier

tier set seems cool

[grim jay]

Its pretty cool and a decent part of your damage

[royal lantern]

make current 4set the new TTK thanks

[cunning needle]

you can get free last season tier doing timesurge or w/e it is

and you can also catalyst 1 piece of gear

free tier from aotc/ksm

[rotund marsh]

so when im doing envenom spam and im waiting to use my next with max points, should i be holding mutilates or using them while capped?

[rotund marsh]

ooo

[clear shell]

!cp

[royal lantern]

you NEVER use cp generators when you cant get cp from them lol

and you dont go max cp

[rotund marsh]

ok that is another big issue i was doing

[royal lantern]

its 4 or more rn

for assa

[rotund marsh]

oh ok'

[cunning needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpskL-KYxFU&ab_channel=Harldan

[royal lantern]

4cp+ = do a finisher

[raw cedar]

!shadowdance

[winter gale]

My RL assigned me with Pip for the entire fight. Do I play spatter in that case?

[raw cedar]

!shadow dance

what command will explain me the kingsbane/dance interaction

[winter gale]

I need to follow Pip wherever he goes after the inital opening sequence.

[slate crown]

Whispyr you’re a real champion, you know that?

[royal lantern]

taking spatter is like -1% dps man, it doesnt matter at all lol

[rotund marsh]

ok and only use envenom when its about to fall off?

[winter gale]

Ok

[rotund marsh]

but not after

[royal lantern]

yes, outside of cd's yes

in cd's you just spam

[winter gale]

Then I will play whatever

[rotund marsh]

ok spam on gcd when in cds

and after that take your time?

ive been messing up badly then

[royal lantern]

yep

[rotund marsh]

i see hekili and i think spam on gcd no matter what

[lime crypt]

was there an issue for any of you guys in m+ to play without acrobatic strikes? im still deciding which talent tree im going to be using, but only ulitilitarian seems to use acrobatic strikes

[royal lantern]

in cd's : spam spam spam, envenom instantly

when cd's are over, take it slow, get 4+ cp, wait for envenom too be at 2sec or less and then do a new envenom, repeat until you lose envenom buff (either no more energy, or re-apply garrote/rupture made you drop it)

if that happend, get 4+ cp and then wait until ~80% energy and repeat the envenom maintain circle, do that until cd's are up again and you go spam spam spam

thats assassination rn

[winter gale]

I needed few dungs to get used to play without but now I am already good. I play hybrid build and it is very good

[clear shell]

u can pin this msg xd

[sweet dawn]

Every time you drop envenom because garrote/rupture you still pool to 80% right?

[royal lantern]

there are multiple guides in the pins explaining that mate

people disregarding whisps work once again

[grim jay]

People never read guides

Wdym

[royal lantern]

yes

[balmy condor]

@limber lion @spice surge @strange python

In the future if you're going to try and infer my meaning and intent please don't be stupid and pedantic about it. I'm not going to submit bad builds to compare to cause what's the point to compare to stuff no one would ever play. If you read the pins the last paragraph is literallyHopefully you can see now why I say that the builds all perform very similarly, and use the data to min-max your decision in the coming weeks of fort/tyranThey're all viable and completely playable builds. Arterial Shock from the guides kinda waffles between venom rush and flying daggers to split the difference, but I'm showing both the heavy aoe version with flying daggers/tiny toxic versus venom rush/blindside to make a point here. They're about 7-8% apart in single target, and apart 3% apart in 5 target. The entire point is to show that they're all playable and all good and all fine to play. It wouldn't even make sense for me to submit builds that I wouldn't recommend, because I wouldn't recommend them. There's a bottomless pit of terrible builds I could put on bloodmallet just for the sake of showing bad builds, but that's such a mess of "how bad is too bad" and now we gotta argue about what builds are worth putting on or not putting on. Why would I waste my time and get into the headache of arguing for that.

I especially found it real funny how >post builds to show that theyre not good when I literally put in the pin Hopefully you can see now why I say that the builds all perform very similarly. That's actually the direct opposite of what I fucking said.

Not really mad about it and I appreciate the help but if you're gonna try and come up with reasons for stuff please use brain thank you, I try very hard to explain the why behind things when I make pins that's part of why I'm so verbose about shit constantly and it would be real neat if that wasn't a wasted effort

[bronze echo]

yo thinking of rerolling back to rogue after trying out aug (it was horrible), but meanwhile i tried aug my guild got a trial rogue and now we got 2 rogues, is it worth to reroll being the 3rd rogue?

[royal lantern]

can have all 3 specs

[grim jay]

I know of multiple guilds having 3 rogues tbf as long as you have everything covered

[sweet dawn]

Aye aye capn

[royal lantern]

3 idiots cloaking avoidable dmg is better then 1

[cunning basin]

rogue is like best raid dps currently so like

yeah

[raw cedar]

3x assa rogues or all specs?

[bronze echo]

true i do feel 3 rogues wouldnt be a problem, problem is we are 8 melee and 6 ranged, so if i switch to rogue we would have 9 melee 5 ranged which isnt optimal i guess

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[raw cedar]

!kingsbane

[royal lantern]

yeha, thats a bit yikes

[slate crown]

!guide - usage of kingsbane

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[slate crown]

!wa - weakaura packs / profiles for kingsbane auras

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

Ok I go bedge fuck why am I still awake

[clever perch]

#subtlety message did anyone experience this?

[grim jay]

Subterfuge?

You cant dance if subterfuge

Iirc

[clever perch]

yea but neither i can SS

stealthi and zac told me its about stealth bar delay

[grim jay]

Stealth has a different id than dance iirc and you maybe only have the dance id in there

Whats your macro?

[grim jay]

Also possible

But the delay is usually only short

If at all

[vestal wren]

you can't dance in vanish and stealth

not sure about subterfuge, but possible too

[grim jay]

Yeah I think I had that issue at the beginning for a short time because I wasnt used to subter

And I think the macro is set up in a way that doesnt let you strike if you arent in dance, atleast if its off cd

[earnest remnant]

you can press dance in subterfuge

you just need to not have a stance macro

[deft crown]

does subterfuge count as nightstalker?

[earnest remnant]

yes

[grim jay]

Yeah thats what I meant. I think he has the stance macro that was in the FAQ

[earnest remnant]

i asked him that

and he said no

[grim jay]

Well

[earnest remnant]

but hat would also make him able to strike

just not shadow dance

[midnight mist]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[blazing jewel]

we need one of you

[rotund marsh]

i know it sounds dumb but i really have more fun with hekili 😦

[midnight mist]

nope

[rotund marsh]

wish there was an alternative that was more accurate

[grim jay]

Oh really? Might remember wrong. But can the bar swap delay happen if you basically dont swap the bar due to the macro? Idk because I usually dont have the issue at all

[earnest remnant]

anything stance related

can be delayed

so bars / macros

[vestal wren]

https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues/879

its this issue, it should be the same on sin/outlaw and apply for vanish too

[plucky canopy]

Can u disable stance related bars in elvui?

[grim jay]

Prolly just less obvious because you have the abilities you use first bound separately anyways on sin

[vestal wren]

wdym

subtlety rogues use shadow dance macros since legion beta

dance + strike was the most common one

[royal lantern]

mate, try out what we said on a dmg dummy for like, 10min too get some basic muscle memory

then just do ANY Dungeon or raidboss, doesnt matter the difficulty and keep the stuff in mind

it flows good if you try it out once in a real fight (and not world enemys that die in 2seconds) and becomes way more fluid/obvious too play

a big mistake many do is overthinking stuff in wow

[lime crypt]

from m+ point alone, ive noticed on bloodmallet theres this hybrid 5tar that takes twist the knife over the m+ hybrid dslice that takes dashing scoundrel
which one would you recommend going +20 and higher?

[rotund marsh]

been trying it on the damage dummy

im just super bad i guess lol

[grim jay]

I mean you most of the time dont use stance related abilities on sin upon entering stealth

[royal lantern]

i still have my "cancleaura dance->stealth" macro

[grim jay]

Or dance

[vestal wren]

oh ye, thats correct

to be fair

there is no reason for stealth/dance to not work the way you would assume they do

the "no dance in stealth" rule is a artifact of a band aid fix to legion shananigans

[normal mist]

Question to our fellow rogues: do you have a stealth keybind?

[vestal wren]

i do

its q

and q is probably the worse place to put it

[normal mist]

I still use the original one, ctlr F1?

[lime crypt]

its H for me

[plucky canopy]

I have v

[lime crypt]

as for Hide

[grim jay]

I usually used ^ or f1

[whole mantle]

i have alt+1

[severe citrus]

Just curious, why are some rogues running the no CT build on raider.io leaderboards and some are rn?

[hexed willow]

My guess is that it didn’t save their profile correctly cause it looks like a ST build got uploaded

[midnight mist]

alt ctrl f11 ye

I dont stealth much because I like to always keep fighting

[kind forge]

H for Hide ofc

[midnight mist]

I dont like going into the shadows to flee

[kind forge]

Not joking

[midnight mist]

thats a sub thing

[plucky canopy]

Depends on your goal, in some dungeon more st focused build could be better

[normal mist]

I saw a video on YouTube of a fellow rogue doing 20s, manually clicking the stealth ability, and it killed me inside. He was doing fine "rogue wise" but that single action killed me

[midnight mist]

lol

sometimes you have like 1 sec to restealth between packs

[normal mist]

EXACTLY

[midnight mist]

gotta be fast on the bind

[grim jay]

I would try to get some logs rather than looking at the site. Just to be safe its not just wonky

[midnight mist]

most important bind fr fr

[normal mist]

That's exactly what I thought Zac

[lime crypt]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[grim jay]

I sometimes still do that aswell and Im playing rogue for over a decade

I also sometimes click shroud even if I have it bound

[royal lantern]

mate

ofc i click shroud lol

[hexed willow]

I always click shroud

[lime crypt]

!snap

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[vestal wren]

shroud is f5, because its so refreshing

[midnight mist]

imagine clicking shroud

bozos

[royal lantern]

why keybind an ability you use never in raids and 1 in a dungeon in a very specific out of combat Situation

[torn atlas]

Mouse wheel up

[grim jay]

Gotta bind sap to f4 because it knocks them out of it then

[lime crypt]

shroud is clear shift c

[vestal wren]

i have picpocket macro to my kidney

and the rune of disquise or how its called

[royal lantern]

shift+3

[grim jay]

I have stealth stuff in f1-f3, dont use those binds else anyways

[vestal wren]

so whenever i kidney a enemy, there is a chance i get transformed into it

[hexed willow]

Gross, I would never want to hide my majestic Tauren horns

[rotund oak]

alt+Q

[lime crypt]

wtf this is a thing?

[jade abyss]

Short question: i use the kb tracker from the !wa command how i can add a 3 third line to it to mark the vanish timer 😅

[lime crypt]

dont tell me ill have to keep an eye for weapon proc

[grim jay]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cerulean walrus]

Meme neck acquired

[hexed willow]

@slate crown

[cerulean walrus]

Only took 5 kills

[royal lantern]

my keybinds would give people a stroke 1-2-3-4 are mut/garrote/envenom/rupture, so thats basic af

kingsbane f1, deathmark f2, vanish f4

cloak f5, evasion f6

[cerulean walrus]

[royal lantern]

[grim jay]

It has one, no?

[jade abyss]

No

It has two betwen 6 and 5 seconds

[jade abyss]

You have to add "alt" on your vanish button thats are real vanish then

[royal lantern]

that was 13y old me doing keybinds when playing wow back then

alt f1....alt f2.....alt f3....alt f.....huh?

i was never smart

[jade abyss]

Alt f4 is a good bind for BL aswell

[royal lantern]

the only 2keybinds that are probably good is sprint on shift+W cus thats how you sprint in every game ever

and fok on R while CT on shift R

[jade abyss]

Your 1 2 3 4 are exactly the same like my binds

[fallen forge]

I can’t use alt modifiers cause I accidentally hit alt f4 too many times

[grim jay]

And I thought mine are weird.
I have 1 mut 2 rupture 3 env 4 kidney 5 shiv 6 kb / alt1 fok alt2 snd alt3 CT alt4 blind / q DM e Dance f Garr g Cheapshot r Vial / altq tea altr trinket / thumb1 step thumb2 vanish / altthumb1 evasion altthumb2 cloak / x kick v feint / F1 stealth f2 sap f3 shroud f4 sprint
Think thats about it, except altE if I need more

[torn atlas]

Fok is mouse wheel down. So that when I spin, i spin

Ignore the reply sorry Fuu.

[jade abyss]

My m+ was wondering why i not bind my space bar... i was tell her "are you kidding me? Im rogue thats my jumpbar!"

[royal lantern]

???

memes aside

jumping for melee, like, actually does Something lol

[jade abyss]

"When i spin i spin" haha thats awesome xD

[grim jay]

People judge my alt modifier

[tame stump]

Alt + W

[royal lantern]

man, its keybinds

it doesnt Matter what they are

if you can use them lol

my vial is numpad +

just pressing it with my thumb on the mouse if needed

[jade abyss]

I use so many alt binds

Bcs my hands are small i cant reach f binds

[grim jay]

What I get judged for the most is using MSBT but its so good and all the info

[royal lantern]

found the league player

[tame stump]

Snitch

[lofty junco]

without 4pc, i want to stay over 50% energy outside of cooldowns, even if it means losing envenom buff?

[grim jay]

Unironically did rebind my League skills to 1-4 since forever

[jade abyss]

Hello Rock

[normal mist]

Actually my fok is Ctrl+wheelup

For the same reason

Wheelup = rupture

[torn atlas]

What if I told you, that I during shadowlands I had my defensives on an opie wheel?

[hushed barn]

yes, the envenom buff doesnt mean much outside of KB windows without 4pc

[torn atlas]

Bound to side mouse button 4, press and flick in one of 3 directions for desired use

[lime crypt]

@balmy condor https://youtu.be/piJ2sq8yNBQ?si=AvBnCO1IlZhNkTDJ&t=464
did it get fixed?

[balmy condor]

a while ago ye

[lime crypt]

thanks chief

[hexed willow]

QERT is the best way of doing thing

[lime crypt]

does ambush reapply caustic spatter if you have blindside, or is it still strictly to mutilate?

[hexed willow]

Ambush applies CS

[slim estuary]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[lime crypt]

so they just havent put it on the description

thanks

[jade abyss]

Is there a way zo not fuck up your healer this week in m+ i think everytime i fucked up with bursting stacks bcs of sudden demise. Or my mates dont care and kill monsters brainless

[hexed willow]

Sometimes sudden demise does that. If there’s a higher health target I’ve been swapping to that so that if we do get high stacks, they aren’t refreshed

[tawny geyser]

Is there any WA that like glows when theres 6s left of KB and we need to cast TT?

[junior aurora]

i swap to the higher hp target to spatter off of to get as many demise procs as possible

healer will adjust

[willow scroll]

I see all the highest key runners are using the ST build in m+, what key level do you switch?

[rotund oak]

whispyr highkeys assa tech when

on stream plz ❤️

[jade abyss]

Thanks guys

[spark rain]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[spark rain]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jbHNMy1Xk2n6dRzQ#fight=46&type=damage-done&source=125

Any suggestions on how I can improve my rotation?

I only have 2pc right now

[junior aurora]

when you are running with 2 other dps that take care of all the aoe for you

never switch to st build in keys if you’re pugging, its just not worth it

[willow scroll]

Are AP or DtB up to prefferance or is one performing better in the end?

[junior aurora]

preference

[willow scroll]

thanks

[grim jay]

Id just sim the St difference if you want more St and go from there

They overall are pretty equal

[distant fox]

I noticed ap works better in low keys/tyr and the boss dmg seems begter with böindside but havent testef the other one in tyr. Maybe it works begger in fort high keys where bigger kingsbane windows wont be wasted? No clue
I stick with AP

On hugh keys do you pref cheT death or the high availability of feints dr with elusivnes?

[grim jay]

I so far overall had the best experiences with the AP version that has VR and blindside

[grim jay]

Cheat

[distant fox]

VR was 5 energy on mutilste ambush?

[willow scroll]

but it doesnt have the RNG adrenaline of poison bomb procking 😦

[distant fox]

Procing while tank runs... like on fyrakk

[willow scroll]

whats VR and what do you drop for blindside compared to the buld in Icy Veins

[grim jay]

Yes

[lyric stirrup]

Might be a stupid question. But does "Nick of Time" apply poisons with the Timestrike proc?

Trying to understand the benefits as I got my 2nd one lastnight

[royal lantern]

should not?

[grim jay]

Check the pin about bloodmallet. Is has all the Whispyr approved builds

[distant fox]

I know timestrike is 1.2k dps for me.

[grim jay]

Its just the damage proc

[lyric stirrup]

Fair

[grim jay]

No hidden tec

[distant fox]

Break over. Work goes on.. sigh.....

[junior hare]

Hello everyone, I've come to consult you because a guild mate who doesn't speak English has a problem with his rogue assassination.

In fact, it follows the priority list in the wow head guide but finds itself with energy holes. In this situation he panics and tries to follow the hekili addon for the rest of the fight.

I'd like to be able to help him correct all this. Thank you

[subtle tundra]

Hekili 😭

[junior hare]

😦

[grim jay]

The effect of 1 dagger was close to 2.8k dps for me on igira for example

[hushed barn]

as in he runs out of energy? you are meant to run out of energy, you sit and wait for it to regen back up to 80% when you run out

or if you dont have 4pc, just keep energy above 50%

[tawny geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[junior hare]

he dont have 4pc, yes

[royal lantern]

hack his pc and delete heliki

congratz, he now does 20% more dmg

[hexed willow]

Tell him about pooling

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[tawny geyser]

Which one of these WAs shows when we are supposed to click Thistle Tea on 6 secs of KB?

Tracking it manually really messed up my focus

[hexed willow]

Should be in LE’s profiles

[tawny geyser]

Also Vanish on 3 sec

[mystic osprey]

its getting better boys

[hexed willow]

You can also tea at <6s it doesn’t need to be exactly 6

[mystic osprey]

"for optimal performance"

[tawny geyser]

Yep, good job. Thank you man!

[mystic osprey]

What gems do you guys use

[royal lantern]

whatever sim robot tells me is highest rn

[grim jay]

I think im on haste mastery rn

But the diff is whatever

Tbf

Couldve gemed haste crit aswell

[mystic osprey]

so what

do you use a main stat and mastery gem

and then mastery haste?

or mastery crit

bc I dont need crit

[tulip tide]

Like the other guy said, just use sims
Then you always know for sure for your own char

[grim jay]

I did mainstat mastery purely because I multispec usually

[mystic osprey]

how do you sim gems

[grim jay]

And for everything else I just run a St and a ds sim and decide

[grim jay]

Topgear

Select replace gems and select gems

[tulip tide]

Raidbots allows you to swap out gems with a toggle in top gear

[mystic osprey]

where

[thorny onyx]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rotund oak]

gimme ur trinkets plz thx

[mystic osprey]

I didnt get it

hutnter got it 3 times on his character and gave it to me

[rotund oak]

who's the hunter,i might have a proposition to make

[mystic osprey]

secret info

500k gold

[rotund oak]

ok,but plz open ur warmode i need to chop u first ❤️

[mystic osprey]

this what whisp use

[mystic osprey]

you sure

[grim jay]

Everything hero except neck. Still have upgrade items left

[rotund oak]

u would make fine bacon 🙂

[grim jay]

But I farmed way too much

[lofty junco]

how do i sim what stats to chose for the life-bound bindings?

[hexed willow]

Yeah cause he has a lot of mastery. My optimal gems are mastery crit

[hexed willow]

Gear compare

[mystic osprey]

go to sleep bro

<3

[rotund oak]

huuuuuuuuge

ive had to craft a wpn and boots

coz bad rng

[lofty junco]

and then one set each for every combo?

[rotund oak]

GV was garbage

[grim jay]

Dagger rng hates me aswell

[hexed willow]

Basically. Because it’s even, haste crit and crit haste are the same

[grim jay]

And this week Fall with pugs is interesting

[lofty junco]

and no need siming vers combo right?

[hexed willow]

Realistically you just need to sim mastery/haste, mastery/crit, haste/crit

[mystic osprey]

soulrenders fang is fine

[hexed willow]

Yeah. You can try out mastery/vers, but we get plenty of vers from other sources and it’s not our best

Specifically tier, nick, rings, blazefury, etc

[grim jay]

Blazewhat

[hexed willow]

The kazzak neck thats decent

[grim jay]

Aint that decent tbf

Iirc

[hexed willow]

Equivalent to ~9 ilvls higher

So unless you have a 472, going to pretty good

It’s not like it is for outlaw but better than any equivalent ilvl piece

[grim jay]

True

[hexed willow]

Plus I wouldn’t be using my wyrms on a neck for a while, too many other things to upgrade ><

[grim jay]

Yeah would just sit on 470 for a while probably

[limber lion]

I think we honestly just misinterpreted each other there. I was refering to the builds in wowhead and he was refering to bloodmallet. Came to an agreement later on about it. Sorry babe if it looked bad, probably a slight language barrier in play as well on my part. I didn't really mean that you compare every build in existence and that some are bad, just that some are clearly better than others in different target counts - which is the entire point of it! It's fantastic and a great thing and you're so hot.

[grim jay]

I only have it higher because vault

[lofty junco]

well I'm at 449.25 ilvl. so EVERYTHING is a upgrade so far

[grim jay]

Yeah ilvl should mostly be king

Or queen

[hexed willow]

Definitely visit Kazzak until the 6th

Ooo Ceverion, your plater profile is top notch

[lofty junco]

[hexed willow]

World boss in the blasted lands, has a chance of dropping veteran gear. All of the anniversary bosses do but Kazzak has a decent neck

[lofty junco]

wtf i returned like a week ago after break and never knew that

[hexed willow]

Appeared about a week and a half ago tbf

Welcome back 🙂

[lofty junco]

can u solo him?

[hexed willow]

Nah but there’s always raid groups appearing

[lofty junco]

double return. didn't play my rogue since start of legion

[brave stump]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[lofty junco]

anything worth besides kazzak?

[hexed willow]

besides potential random pieces, nah

Depending on where you’re weak, dreamsurge/time rifts could be worth it since the weekly quests give you a piece up to 450

[lofty junco]

yeah but the crests to uzpgrade are limited to 270 and already did hit that limit

[hexed willow]

How long ago did you play?

[lofty junco]

i took a break in 10.1

returned to 10.2 after metzen showcase^^

[hexed willow]

The intro to zeralek can give up to 30 whelpings and the blue dragonflight quest chain can give 30 drake crests

[normal mist]

You came home

Cute

[hexed willow]

Also rep can give drake crests too (at 8)

[rotund oak]

idk my man,ive crafted the dagger and i only want it from GV now for MH,got the HC dreamcarver or whatever its called 483 wont bother with wpns anymore

i jsut want the trinkets now and train my sin

gonna pump hard

did a droptimizer,ashes of the embersoul HC is 10k dps 😄

for ST

that thing is mad

[molten cosmos]

Yo I have a quick question about Envenom. When checking on wowanalyzer, it's telling me to use it at 5-6CP and not under 5CP, and on Wowhead it's at least 4 or more. Is there a reason to this difference?

[rotund oak]

u might want to keep the envenom buff coz 4p

and 2p and all

[molten cosmos]

So we want to use Envenom at 5CP min all the time then?

nvm of the overproc CP when we are already at 4?

[plain onyx]

Guys around which ilvl gear i should start converting it in catalyst ?

[normal mist]

Hero is a good start

Mythic is ideal

[lofty junco]

like any other worldboss kazzak once a week?

[normal mist]

Champion is a good bandaid

Veteran is a waste

@plain onyx

[plain onyx]

Alright thanks a lot

[grim jay]

Its still a pretty big diff tbf. Always worth to farm especially if you still need the sandglass

[grim jay]

Analyzer not updated

Wowhead is

Thats the diff

[grim jay]

Once a day iirc

[lofty junco]

now I'm a bit confused. why sophic for OH instead of 2nd WD?

[lofty junco]

oh that would be sweet

and do u get a item everytime?

[midnight mist]

Depends on stats and stuffs, I would bet it's not far off anyeay

[molten cosmos]

I see. So all the time at 4CP at least and above is even better if we proc right?

[midnight mist]

If you compare both enchants

[rotund oak]

yup,sandglass is 5.5k dps inc a bit more than the cataclysmic firestarter thingy

[grim jay]

No

[grim jay]

4+ ye

[lofty junco]

yeah like 100 dps. was just curious why so many sophic+wd combos are hi9gher

[midnight mist]

This is all margin of error anyway

Means it's not actually different

[lofty junco]

so they are basicly just bigger super rares? kill kazzak every day until i get that neck?

[midnight mist]

Yes

[lofty junco]

nice

[grim jay]

Id go with wafting then

[midnight mist]

Sophic cause other specs like sophic

Ez choice

[grim jay]

Wafting because you only need sin in your life and wafting > sophic

[lofty junco]

actualy on our server sophic is cheaper then wafting

[midnight mist]

Well if both are equal

[clever sapphire]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[midnight mist]

Can't say one is better than the other

[wind saffron]

Wafting if u dont get pi

[grim jay]

Isnt the proc of wafting more consistent than sophic?

[midnight mist]

You can sim with pi

I never simmed my sin without pi actually

Imagine not getting pi

[quiet oar]

Not getting Pi

[midnight mist]

Bruh

[spiral pasture]

cant upload pi sims to wowaudit droptimizer cba

[quiet oar]

True

[midnight mist]

What's that

[quiet oar]

Wowaudit

or what

[grim jay]

Gotta prepare for after the nerfs

[distant fox]

Sadly mine is like 0,6% dps somehow.

[haughty flicker]

meanwhile i technically got pi in this pug but the priest was pressing it at seemingly random intervals

[midnight mist]

Ye

[quiet oar]

Its a website, where you can create your guild and add your Roster

and track Uptime Keys etc

and you can add your Droptimizer

[midnight mist]

Uptime?

Oh I see

[grim jay]

Its made for them to control you

[quiet oar]

Yeah raid uptime

[grim jay]

And your every step

[midnight mist]

I see

Interesting

[haughty flicker]

sounds fun

[rotund oak]

what do u recommend for keeper of flame?Sub-Outlaw?

[grim jay]

Sin

[quiet oar]

Some people have 70% uptime with a 2 day guild

[grim jay]

[midnight mist]

Tf is keeper of flame

[haughty flicker]

who tf says keeper of flame

its larry

[midnight mist]

Who

[rotund oak]

whatever u like to call it

[midnight mist]

Fyrak?

[haughty flicker]

larodar

[rotund oak]

cringe frenchie is cringe

[midnight mist]

Ah

Sin

[grim jay]

Fyrak = larry confirmed

[midnight mist]

You know how we always meme about the uptime thing

Well

Ngl

Sin is goated on that fight

Deplete all energy before jump

Gg

Outlaw lost 10k DPS meanwhile

[grim jay]

Wdym raid uptime, like the time % you spend in raid compared to total playtime?

[plucky canopy]

Uptime like participation

[quiet oar]

Ye

[plucky canopy]

How many raids u missed etc

[quiet oar]

Like you have 8 Raiddays a month

[midnight mist]

you mean a week

[plucky canopy]

A day?

[midnight mist]

average french guild raid time

[quiet oar]

and people are 6 days in

you have 75% uptime

[rotund oak]

sub looks fine for the fight ngl,but i only did it on HC

u dance vanish dance before he does anything

solid windows

[hexed willow]

Once a day

[midnight mist]

well you have more frequent window of damage tho

I bet you get fucked a bit

[lofty junco]

isn't sub only good for firelord?

[balmy condor]

I kinda assumed it was a bit of a misunderstanding but reading the convo was a bit all over the place and over-analyzed for no real reason ya know? we big chillin tho love you

[midnight mist]

who

[rotund oak]

yeah u get c@cked with the ragind inferno sometimes and when the tank wants to go for a walk with the boss

[balmy condor]

asked

[midnight mist]

im just talking about the junp from boss

[lofty junco]

smolderon

[midnight mist]

real tanks dont go for a walk

with boss

[midnight mist]

sub is good on all bosses

it just cant get pi

so it look worse

[rotund oak]

well ye,every1 gets c@cked there yo

[lofty junco]

yeah but only on smolderon it seems to have timing advantage

[midnight mist]

but ye its pretty baller on smolderon

[midnight mist]

well some more than others

[rotund oak]

outlaw gts c@cked coz downtime

[midnight mist]

as outlaw you get giga fucked on this boss by jumps

[rotund oak]

sin ftw

[midnight mist]

sin doesnt care that much

[rotund oak]

yup

[midnight mist]

its just this particular downtime thing

its not downtime in general

I fucked up my timing on larodar

I had a good idea to pad on adds

but I went too early

[rotund oak]

hahaha pad the adds is a parser

u know ur sht

[midnight mist]

if I had managed to do it

would have been very good

[distant fox]

Got my 95 parse on first bosd and only picked spatter to do aoe. Havent even noticed it lol.
Did twice the dmg f anyone else. Felt like the giga chad
Aug, 2 pi, execjte burst without pot over 1.1m in warvraftlogs. Still pushing my ego

[tawny geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
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Whispyr's Afenar Edit
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Pooling Practice Tool

[distant fox]

At this point i think my gjildmates dont care about their dps as long as i push lol

[grim jay]

Thats wild. Would immediately replace

[distant fox]

Only waiting for 2 aug and pi on every kb. Wsnt my 99 parse.

Print it. Stick it to wall

[feral mason]

grats bubby

[rotund oak]

i just wanna see @limber lion pumping,has the reputation of a sin mechanical monster as long as i remember but keeps his logs hidden so i cant study him

[willow prairie]

must be nice to get pi + aug

[distant fox]

Ye

[grim jay]

Aug whatever, but PI definitely

[quiet oar]

Imagine having 7 hours raid a week on 2 days

And not being there for at least 75% of the time

[midnight mist]

wdym study logs

what do you even do

[hexed willow]

How would you not be there for 75% of the time?

[limber lion]

Maybe one day. But good thing we got plenty of pumpers out there😎

[hexed willow]

I missed something

[rotund oak]

watching the casts one after another,trinkets and timers and act accordingly.Its a great way to understand how good rogues react and manage cds on every given fight

[limber lion]

I would hug you if you were here, love ya buddy

[rotund oak]

like ild ever settle with stuff i already can do by myself,gimme ur logs i wanna learn,not just read 😄

[vocal basin]

is there any reason to shiv outside of kb in st?

[midnight mist]

press on cd gg

[royal lantern]

idk, very very very scary enrage effect that would kill the tank/the group otherwhise i gues

[grim jay]

Tldr no

[rotund oak]

cev is the rumoured authority here sry 😦

[midnight mist]

press on cd

[vocal basin]

thx

[midnight mist]

every fight is made for cds to line up, messed up game fr

[grim jay]

Zacssination is a legend wdym

[midnight mist]

ye

been maining sin since cata

but sap never trusted me

[rotund oak]

zac outlaw gank until proven worthy to equip daggers

[midnight mist]

even on outlaw

sad

[rotund oak]

i did on outlaw

just not as much as guy

[midnight mist]

[grim jay]

Btw I think kush has some public hc logs

[arctic socket]

Is there a rough estimate on how much dps two nick of times do?

[midnight mist]

more than 0 nick of time thats for sure

[grim jay]

Hardly as it depends on your dmg

[midnight mist]

its 1 % each right

[grim jay]

I had one Nick on igira and it was like 2.8k of my dps

[midnight mist]

but scales with vers

[arctic socket]

[midnight mist]

like in average it should do about 1% of your damage

1 of them

dont matter the ilvl

this 1% scale with vers

so for outlaw it will be like 1.4% or something

[grim jay]

All the vers in the world

[arctic socket]

Thank you

What’s the best music playlist to listen to while I’m 100+ runs of fall?

[grim jay]

Wait nvm

My 2.8k on that day were 1.38% aswell

Unless my math is bad which it shouldnt be

[midnight mist]

yeye it should just be 1% scaled with vers

[mortal crystal]

Just queue this up: https://open.spotify.com/track/6daZCTmlTA7QeLG108tSig?si=3UWZ2vwrTSqVpBx7uiUvlw

[strange python]

bout 1.7-2.2%

[arctic socket]

I clicked on this and it played about 2 mins of Taco Bell adds

[grim jay]

Russian hardbass

[mortal crystal]

What? Haha, must be some US version of the site

[arctic socket]

Apparently so

[sweet dawn]

Nick of times or Nicks of time?

[grim jay]

Nichole fulltime

Its @balmy condor approved

[icy iron]

Dragon rider - two steppes from hell

[arctic socket]

On the bright side of things, with how much farming I will be doing I can laugh at people who die to balls a lot

[clear shell]

What do u do on a 3 boss fight?

Like 2nd of everbloom

[cunning scaffold]

Birdcloud - Springwater on repeat until you become fully insane

[arctic socket]

Pretend like you’re shadow priest or affliction warlock

[clear shell]

I keep dots on every one?

[strange python]

on 3 boss fight - i train a dude, and pray something is close to spatter.

i'm done chasing shit around on that fight

[turbid nest]

can i just run ST build on council fight ?

[strange python]

you can run ST but it seems to me any time you get value from spatter, it's just better to swap that talent point to spatter.

[fickle siren]

meele shouldnt stack on the bear boss and cleave the other two?

[strange python]

If that's possible to do then yea

[fickle siren]

our raid leader does not let us to do that

[gusty mirage]

You should, but that requires the tanks to do their job

[rotund marsh]

Anyone have some weak aura recommendations that can help me pool while also helping me with skill rotation?

[gusty mirage]

And ya know, relying on others in this game isn’t exactly reliable

[strange python]

I have tanks that will always take the worst path for melee, in any and every situation presented to them. They will always run through the long side of the bad, etc.

[fickle siren]

probably I'll run ST build with spatter on that fight also

[royal lantern]

the difference bettwen 100% st and "we have adds/cleave in this fight" is swapping spatter and internal bleeding with eachother

[fickle siren]

as long as we dont change strategy

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Pooling Practice Tool

[gusty mirage]

I would at least until people get more comfy with the fight

[fickle siren]

i saw a 3rd build on subcreation

[gusty mirage]

At least imo

[strange python]

I mean even if there's always a second target to cleave - you'd still just run st spatter

[fickle siren]

gotcha

[strange python]

i dunno what changes in the rotation at 2 targets, you still wouldn't want to CT or anything

other than just keeping bleeds up

[fickle siren]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFRVFRRFUVQmJBQCRANVVRUVUYUEEoVQBE

i was running this build

[royal lantern]

dot stuff, dont die, quak quak quak

thats council

[strange python]

lemme check it out

[fickle siren]

IC + spatter

[queen egret]

We want mutilate and ambush on seperate binds right?

[royal lantern]

why would you

[strange python]

so IC for dashing

[gusty mirage]

Yeah IC is like slightly better than ST in 2T but that also assumes you have a cleave target up for the duration of IC every single time

[strange python]

yeah not sure honestly

if there's always that target yeah

[fickle siren]

yup ill just go with the standard spatter build here

not trying to utilize IC

[queen egret]

Is there a macro that uses ambush over mutilate when avaliable?

[fickle siren]

game does it for you

[royal lantern]

it does that by default

[strange python]

on blindside procs yeah, that game changes mutilate to ambush on your bars. You can also just put ambush on your stealth bar right in the spot mutilate is.

for times like shadowdance or whatever

[fickle siren]

a question regarding to pooling. I build only until 4cp then stop and waiting for envenom buff or I can squeeze another mutilate / ambush if I'm already at 4cp and send a 6cp envenom later?

[willow scroll]

on VR Blindside build at how many targets do we switch to Fan of Knives?

[rotund marsh]

I haven’t really done much aoe but is crimson tempest used basically used as an aoe rupture?

[light marten]

where is this branch dude

[arctic socket]

Show off your falls next

[light marten]

theres falls

still no dagger

[grim jay]

You still rupture on aoe, its just the same as in you apply it for the dot

[rotund marsh]

Ok makes sense

I’m having an internal crisis figuring out if I should main outlaw or assa

[fallow acorn]

need more Falls

[rotund marsh]

Because the gear is a lot different

[light marten]

idec about falls

branch is 13k

i need it

dagger is only 2.6k

[fickle siren]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[rotund marsh]

I have pips emerald badge tho so I’d be in good shape for assa, and it seems easier to gear in the sense that it isn’t so raid reliant

[fallow acorn]

I have one dagger

[rotund marsh]

Gear is why I won’t do both lol

[light marten]

i have none lol

[arctic socket]

With branch

[fallow acorn]

I had to make the font super tiny to get it on one screen haha

[rotund marsh]

I wish assa had outlaws grapple hook

It’s so nice

[surreal citrus]

took me 26 falls for a dagger too

[light marten]

i do have 483 raid dagger tho

[surreal citrus]

[arctic socket]

I collect two orbs then wait to collect last yeah?

[light marten]

oi im on number 26 of everbloom

[fickle siren]

2 dagger and branch dropped when I was still playing outlaw and not even planned to play assa 😒

[willow scroll]

I got the Branch on my first run last week on my ENH shaman and tought how i got lucky, now i see it just tricked me switch i am switching mains probably

[fallow acorn]

now branch

[surreal citrus]

everbloom took me 13

[worn igloo]

is it even worth doing stuff as assa without like, branch? I already have most of the outlaw gear and there ain't no shot I'm getting assa trinkets like ashes from raid

[fallow acorn]

I've had three drop

[light marten]

half of my runs didnt even show on raider io

[royal lantern]

54 runs for 1 dagger, will not farm a 2nd one

we suffer togheter my brother

[dry root]

Assa Nerf incoming?

[surreal citrus]

at least when you farm dagger you'll probably get hourglass

54 oof

[fallow acorn]

14 runs for 3 branches (that dropped for me)

yeah I also have the trinket

[steel ridge]

i have 5 runs for galakronds fall and i have 2 daggers

[fallow acorn]

do it

[royal lantern]

ye but you also have no bitches

[steel ridge]

choo choo

[mighty lake]

Eu?

[fickle siren]

the key is to not want the daggers and they will drop. they can smell fear and desperation

[steel ridge]

dunno if thats all, but i think it is

[surreal citrus]

if I get a second 483 nick in my vault I'll take it but I'm not running a billion falls again

[old jewel]

Likewise 5 fall runs and one hero and 1 normal dagger

[royal lantern]

a fellow monster Hunter player, i see

[strange python]

This is how i kinda feel about it

[light marten]

dude imagine

[tall atlas]

i tired assa in low keys last night

[light marten]

a 489 nick

holy shit

[steel ridge]

my first dagger droppt from the timed 20 on day 2 of the season, after doing a moonwalk to the chest and calling for the dagger

my group cheered

it was glorious

[tall atlas]

i tired assa in low keys last night and now all i can think about is fortified week on real keys

[steel ridge]

then i was just confident enough to just loot it from vault

[fickle siren]

I repeated "its not going to drop, its not in the chest, definitely no nick for me" then it fucking dropped

[steel ridge]

dunno, you guys are doing it wrong

[surreal citrus]

fortified is when I actually get to see my kb run its full duration on trash

[arctic socket]

I don’t like playin assassins in low keys

[fickle siren]

reverse psychology

[arctic socket]

By the time I apply all my bleeds the mobs are dead

[tall atlas]

i got my season 3 dagger by jack black singing daaagerrrrrrr as i opened it and choking when i looted it

[kind forge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[kind forge]

sorry wrong channel

[steel ridge]

i have actually done 6 everblooms and no branch, but who needs branch anyway

fuck this twig

[surreal citrus]

as long as my vault isn't 100% trinkets I'll take whatever tbh I just need my 4pc from catalyst this week

[fallow acorn]

samesies

[arctic socket]

How much does the 2p or 4p help in m+

[royal lantern]

death Penalty

[steel stump]

Branch prayers

[steel ridge]

my gear is obscene already, its kinda disgusting

[arctic socket]

I haven’t been fortune to get but one piece of tier

[surreal citrus]

no tier drops from lfr, normal or heroic prog

[kind forge]

[surreal citrus]

2pc is nice, 4pc is big in m+