assassination

[sonic schooner]

That s why when roots are too far from tindral I'm malding

😒

[cunning needle]

make splatter 20 yards :<

[eternal nymph]

Our roots only live like a second or two

Probably won't take spatter again

[gentle belfry]

Any working rotation helpers for sin? For the opener/1min rotation mostly

[sonic schooner]

Yea they don't live long on HC for us because deva évoker exists

[oak tangle]

almost impossible for a rotation helper. if you crit or dont crit mutilates / ambushes, you will have to think about when you press shiv etc mid cd

[gentle belfry]

what are the implications of that actually? I wasn't aware

[oak tangle]

more combo points

[gentle belfry]

oh duh yeah

makes sense

[oak tangle]

the more useful thing would be to have a weak aura that has timings for buffs during your kb window

[thorn bobcat]

is there a way to sim opener for sp pi?

[oak tangle]

8 seconds left you want to shiv, 6 seconds tea, 3 seconds vcanish etc

[gentle belfry]

I do have the KB timeline, I guess I just need to train those timings more thoroughly

[oak tangle]

the game play outside pressing those buffs is the same at all times, build to 4+ and spend on envenom, you generally want to refresh ruptures outside of the kb window, and first global in kb should be garrote which will roll you through the entire cd

they only difference, is that you don't want to wait before envenoming in a cd window

[covert folio]

is assas rotation hard enough it would be a bad idea to raid lead as one?

[patent crater]

!plater

[thorn bobcat]

every minute you go silent for 14 seconds

[patent crater]

is there a plater script for tracking dots?

maybe a nameplate color cahnger for applying dots?

[oak tangle]

depends what you want

i have one that has a yellow border when i dont have rupture on it

[thorn bobcat]

https://wago.io/BnIHJN5xo this was my go to but you have to change some code in the script to make it work for assa

[patent crater]

ya im guessing rupture is more important than garrote

[oak tangle]

they are both important, but rupture is scent of blood

[patent crater]

like when i played shadow priest it was one to track if i had VT on the target

and caustic spatter

right?

[thorn bobcat]

caustic is on only 1 mob don't need to change plater for that

[oak tangle]

whispyr's plater profile makes the nameplate green when spatter is active

[patent crater]

oh right

[thorn bobcat]

ah fairs

[solid latch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[patent crater]

ty i tried !plater and figured there wasnt a command for it xD

[onyx falcon]

is caustic splatter a spell you can track? i nver see the debuff on the bar

trying to make a WA

[patent crater]

it's a debuff on the target ya

[onyx falcon]

nvm im stupid i was doing testing but didnt apply the bleed 🤦‍♂️

[oak tangle]

too real

[spice gull]

Still wanna run arterial shock build for Tyr week?

[oak tangle]

https://wago.io/7BljndZ-_

that is my plater mod for yellow borders without rupture

[slate crown]

In my caustic aura (in my pack) I track both caustic and rupture, and if caustic AND rupture are missing it does a red glow. Is helpful

[arctic tusk]

spread ruptures on council fight or

just focus spatter target

[tranquil cobalt]

when do we send branch

[eternal nymph]

Every DM

[tranquil cobalt]

can i just macro it to dm?

[eternal nymph]

Yeah

[tranquil cobalt]

sweet

[halcyon crypt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rain goblet]

What's the range on Caustic Spatter? I see other sin rogues are doing tons of spear damage on Igira with it but I was getting barely any damage out of it, wondering if it's a range issue with stacking spears or if it's lining up CDs around spears to get those bigger numbers

[oak tangle]

likely a range issue, i don't even think about spear spawns

[rain goblet]

Or any of the many possibilities of why I wasn't getting shit lol

[urban minnow]

Do rogues bring a group utility buff

[rain goblet]

That's kinda what I'm assuming was going on, but wanted to make sure

[smoky leaf]

seems like simming primal molten shortblade at 486 ilvl is simming higher than 483 nick of time, is that right?

[oak tangle]

mega damage

also atrophic poison

[cunning needle]

#assassination message

[smoky leaf]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[oak tangle]

spatter did 2.8% for me on a 90 parse on heroic

[slim pebble]

Yall got any more of those Galakrond Fall group invites

[oak tangle]

I'm out on parole

[vale lantern]

i think ihave to much crit i dont even have crit pot on

[mystic osprey]

what enchant do we use

sophic writ?

[oak tangle]

i use wafting, but i highly recommend simming

[spice spire]

Writ

[eternal nymph]

Never writ. Devotion.
And it's wafting, not sophic usually.
Just sim it

[cunning needle]

[mystic osprey]

writ on top

😢

[oak tangle]

wha?

[cunning needle]

[steel spire]

[keen spruce]

bruther writ is just a weaker version of devotion

[oak tangle]

yo, i am looking to upgrade my PC, any suggestions on CPU's

[latent tendon]

In the opener for 4-6 targets, is the second garrote on a different target ? or can it go on the same target ?

[oak tangle]

4 and 5 targets put it on the same doesn't matter, if 6 needs to be one without it

[latent tendon]

i see

I guess its the same for rupture as well

[serene basin]

Sure, Just make sure you have a main target to mark with spatter

[full solstice]

im trying to learn every rogue spec assassination is the only one i havent really figured out

anything i need to know in particular

[oak tangle]

pooling

[mystic osprey]

everything

[full solstice]

yeah so far this ones the worst

[serene basin]

Having and using both shiv charges on kingsbane

[full solstice]

sub is just spam everything when shadow blades

outlaw is like 3 abilities

assassin is kinda crazy

[serene basin]

The satisfaction from getting it right is even crazier

The best thing you can do to know what you are doing wrong is playing it, and then reading a guide

[spice gull]

Is the spec supposed to feel really bad inbetweeen KB windows

[full solstice]

i was averaging like 90-100k dps on single target then i got it to 250k one time and now i cant stop until i get it right

[serene basin]

A lil bit, yeah

[spice gull]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[marble pebble]

I simmed assass and sub on dungeon slice expecting assass to overtake sub, but sub simmed higher... Is assass not outperforming sub in keys?

[serene basin]

Sub is better at instant dmg

Sin is all about ramp

[spice gull]

I just feel like i'm energy starved and struggling to do anything mostly between windows

tbf i'm only 429 with no tier

[hearty onyx]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[serene basin]

You're struggling in raids or dgs?

[spice gull]

just dungs

on ST bosses

[serene basin]

Welp

Can't do much then

[spice gull]

I'm playing the arterial precision build

[serene basin]

If you were to talk about packs of mobs I'd say to spread some more ruptures

[serene basin]

Is that the hybrid one?

[spice gull]

is rupture what gives you energy back?

[hearty onyx]

why do we even pick sanguine when we have 4p if we almost never gonna proc it?

[spice gull]

Think so

[serene basin]

Yeah, along side with another talent

[spice gull]

I need to find a good setup for seeing who my dots are on

[serene basin]

I don't like it so much, but I'd recommend you to try the other one as well, to see of it fits you better

[spice gull]

what's the other one?

[serene basin]

!builds

Yeah

Fail

[spice gull]

lol

[serene basin]

There are 3

The raid one

The one you use

And the aoe one

[spice gull]

I need to figure out what I need to be macroing

Obviously KB and SD

[serene basin]

@spice gull Luis this the one?

[spice gull]

yea thats the one im using

[serene basin]

It's not very suited for st

But it handles it

I'm using it for dgs

[spice gull]

Do we not wanna be running that build for Tyr weeks?

[serene basin]

Up to you, I don't feel bad about it

I can pull 240k st even with 445 ilvl

Even with it being aoe

You need to get used to it

[serene basin]

You gotta use SD and then KB

And gg

Don't think you really need a macro for it

[spice gull]

Yea def not me

[serene basin]

Just be sure to follow that order and keep the empowered garrotes for a long time without overwriting it with a non buffed one

[slate crown]

Honestly I don't personally think it does. It feels smooth to me, just don't look at your damage numbers during it. It feels like when you're in your cooldowns you're juggling 8 different objects, and when they're done you still have 2-3 balls in the air to juggle, but they still have a rythm to the juggling and executing it well still feels smooth.

[serene basin]

Indeed

[slate crown]

Like Envenom (and EP) as a concept always seemed cool to me personally in terms of the implication of maintaining the buff

And then in season 2 it was like "Don't even track envenom its' always up you have plenty of energy"

and felt really bad to just ignore the core concept of envenom

But now it's back and I'm happy about that

[serene basin]

Feels like they brought legion back

Sin feeling good

[slate crown]

Sin rework a pretty good success story of the patch

[serene basin]

Only thing left is a massive buff to pb

Good ol times

[steel spire]

No shot pb and caustic aoe value

[livid mesa]

Numbing vs Atrophic Poison in dungeons?

[serene basin]

Id run atropic

[keen spruce]

I run numbing

but idk why

placebo

[cunning needle]

i also run numbing

reduces the key by 1 level for the tank or something

[keen spruce]

Yeah idk seems gud

Tanks get smacked less

Casts easier to kick

[kind talon]

numbing is better in dungeons

[slim hamlet]

atrophic is definitely better for high tyran keys, otherwise just go numbing, makes it a lot easier for pugs too

[steel spire]

Just run 2 rogues

[cunning needle]

one assi, one outlaw

[lucid rain]

I'd ask where sub is but

[cunning needle]

[lucid rain]

we kinda know

[slim hamlet]

Where is the 3 havoc's gonna be then?

[cunning needle]

blue names down bad

[lucid rain]

nerfed into oblivion

[kind talon]

numbing is better for most content. even on high tyran keys there will be kicks that will kill you and it can help a lot more with that, than 4% dr will end up mattering

[slim hamlet]

No

[lucid rain]

4% on infinite corruption would be nice

[slim hamlet]

Atrophic without a doubt better in high tyran

not a question

Something that does 800k reduced by 3.6% can very easy be the difference of being able to do a key or not

[cunning needle]

mhmmm i dunno

[lucid rain]

29k could be the difference

[slim hamlet]

I do know

[cunning needle]

oh okay

[slim hamlet]

Yes

From being straight up overkilled to surviving is all that matters

[cunning needle]

i haven't pushed high keys in ages i guess

[lucid rain]

% reduction gets even better when there's pulsing damage

and there's a fuckin lot of this season

[cunning needle]

yes but has the healer ever considered healing?

[slim hamlet]

There are also so many literal oneshots

it's crazy

[slim hamlet]

[lucid rain]

chronofade

the stupid

add + stomp

in everbloom

[slim hamlet]

Last boss AD aoe from add spawn is my enemy

[lucid rain]

that shit trucks

holy moley

[slim hamlet]

8.5 minutes left on that boss

Straight up overkills me on a 25

If I switched to atrophic we time

overkill by 5k

[lucid rain]

:(

[cunning needle]

can you feint that add spawn?

you cant right?

[slim hamlet]

No

[cunning needle]

just gotta take the L

healer heal

[slim hamlet]

So much shit u can't feint this season

Tried elusivness today and it actually feels very good

for specifically tyran, and also helps with bursting

[lucid rain]

I take cheat because I don't push high and I'm a baboon

[cunning needle]

same

[slim hamlet]

I was expecting to die 20 times a key without

[slate crown]

I use feint all the time

[slim hamlet]

But actually having real DR made it so good

[slate crown]

even when it's something I know shouldn't be reduced by uit

[lucid rain]

yeah I should start playing with elu honestly

[slate crown]

May try elusiv

[slim hamlet]

I finally stopped clicking it on bursting

But now I actually do need to click it with elusiveness

[slate crown]

But like, with 2 charges now I feel like every single mechanic I have it for

[cunning needle]

i suppose as well

we have a shit ton of energy

wait wrong channel

[slim hamlet]

The 2x feint + the elusiveness buff

is actually insane

[slate crown]

I mean

[lucid rain]

is recuperator still bugged?

[slate crown]

spending energy on feint = 2pc stacks 😛

[slim hamlet]

Feint actually a dmg gain

holy

[lucid rain]

[slate crown]

Just think of it like that

you'll never die to a mechanic again

[cunning needle]

thats actually so based wtf

[slim hamlet]

Cheat is op for first week of a season because u don't know shit

But I also inted a fall key because I legit just afk ran into orbs, got ressed and insta ran into orbs again

2 chances not enough, need cheat for the 3rd

[lucid rain]

[pale wave]

Anyone have any tips for m+? Is it supposed to feel god awful as sin in anything under a 20? Outside of cooldowns it feels extremely energy starved

[lucid rain]

play left/right

blindside stonks

[slim hamlet]

you should never be energy starved in aoe

[heady drum]

how do i analyze a log really? like, what do you guys check when you think youve done poorly on a fight

[lucid rain]

I assume he meant st because being starved in aoe is like

holding onto the hook and throwing the fishing rod in the water

[slim hamlet]

Whatever you are feeling like you got trouble with

For example checking your opener

See if you had full shiv and envenom uptime, tea right timing, vanish right timing

Check your bleed uptimes, make sure u aint forgetting in the moment

Checking when you cast your cd's making sure you aren't missing casts

Timers on cd's

[heady drum]

hm

yeah

thanks

<3

[slim hamlet]

Making sure you aren't using it right before downtime

Can be everything

[heady drum]

yeah that happened a couple times tonight on fyrakk

[solemn mason]

yo does it matter what hand the weapon enchants go on?

would main hand proc more then off hand?

[slim hamlet]

both hopefully

[spark rain]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[verbal creek]

Sitting on 1 spark of dreams having pulled the trigger on upgrading crafted weapon first week without doing my research---have slimy explusions on still (plus crafted bracers for toxified armor patch). Use the spark + enchanted wyrm/aspect to get Toxic Thornwraps or utilize it for something else?

TLDR: messed up wasting a spark, sitting on expulsion boots. use it for toxic thornwraps or something else

[sour meadow]

How many poisons can you apply at one time? Is the number of poisons I can use different for PVP and PVE?

[oak tangle]

for the guy who wanted a branch command

[slim hamlet]

1 lethal, 1 utility default

[dreamy canyon]

TY 🙂

[slim hamlet]

2 lethal, 2 utility with DTB

[verbal creek]

that graphic is hilarious

[sour meadow]

Wait what's DTB

[dreamy canyon]

We want to pick up the third orb when there's 3 seconds left on the buff right?

[verbal creek]

im under that impression

[slim hamlet]

dragon-tempered blades

[sour meadow]

Ohhhhhhh

Right

[verbal creek]

@oak tangle in light of your amazing graphic, thoughts on this?

[wild beacon]

i just paid for a champ track branch lol but i finally have it

[gray hazel]

For pot+trinket+Dm macro, is it best to put pot and trinket before or after DM? or does it matter?

[acoustic roost]

Work on irl. Buy token 🙂

[magic fossil]

jesus, my work irl is for irl stuff

but thanks

[spark rain]

learning assassination rn, should envonom have a 100% uptime

[runic hinge]

Mid 90s is good

[eternal heath]

Shitty vdh got branch in EB

Also just checked my envenom uptime for that run, yikes lmao

That is my next thing to work on improving I suppose

[steel spire]

The faithful shall be rewarded tuesday

Ez NoT

[keen spruce]

that's not that bad

in a key

maybe aim for like mid to high 60's?

[oak tangle]

i started this patch after not palying the character since season 1, i made toxic thorn boots week 1, and then toxic patch with second spart. i guess not much to do. I'm not too smart when it comes to gear, so i just copied what the TC's said and made boots / toxic patch

[balmy condor]

wait

but if you're not smart

and I'm not smart

[oak tangle]

robit

[balmy condor]

[oak tangle]

is smart

[balmy condor]

robit is smart

is true

robit know

robit why my mom no love me

[fluid glade]

worth at all to swap builds on dungeon by dungeon basis?

[keen spruce]

nah

[oak tangle]

i swap builds on a tank by tank basis

[fluid glade]

what yall playing

[hushed barn]

Arty shock

[oak tangle]

that build being black jack or tricks

cause when tank pulls 3 mobs i cri

[keen spruce]

blackjack only

tricks is a lie and a bait

and kinda racist

[hushed barn]

Only change I do is if I'm running a 20+ I swap to splatter

[oak tangle]

but tricks "helps" my tank do good pulls

[eternal heath]

That makes me feel a bit better. Was a grief key anyway

[keen spruce]

but blackjack "helps" my team survive the 47 casts about to kill everyone

[eternal heath]

Tank pulling as if bursting isn't a healer problem

[oak tangle]

i mean fair, but also

[eternal heath]

Also healer griefing by being 447 I'm a +17

[fluid glade]

blindside+art or toxic dag

[oak tangle]

my tank sometimes thinks his body is a proper agro generation tool

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-despair-xqcdespair-voidge-troll-gif-24691555

[kind talon]

thats not nice

im 447

[full solstice]

i giggled

[balmy condor]

me when I told my mom I'm going to university for music and the first thing out of her mouth is "so whats your real job then"

[kind talon]

omg

[cunning needle]

unironically bursting is a healer problem in lower keys. there's basically nothing to heal on trash that you need cooldowns for

so what are they saving it for? the boss

[balmy condor]

in game

[eternal heath]

Really was just the tank pulling fucking weird

Would pull only one, maybe two small groups at a time. Then at like 50% dragging them to next pacn

Pack

[runic hinge]

Your real job is being a discord mod and a guide writer for a 20 year old video game xd

[shut owl]

Sudden demise +bursting is hilarious in sub 20s

[slim hamlet]

Wait you a music guy?

[cunning needle]

i had a rdruid last key that let half the party die because he didnt press anything on 4stacks of bursting

had flourish/tranq up

[abstract jacinth]

Dwarf racial OP

[eternal heath]

Also that tank got the hero branch 🫠

[cunning needle]

and when we pointed it out he replied with "my cooldowns are not for you"

?!?!?!?!? teh fuck are the cooldowns for then

[eternal heath]

Oh, on top of that lol

[shut owl]

Lol

[eternal heath]

Tank said do life warden first for 3rd boss in EB

Then proceeded to tank melee on Telu

[shut owl]

Is 4 stacks lethal? My keys are consistently "oop 11, forgot no mass on this one"

[cunning needle]

lmao no

just needed one heal

[eternal heath]

Unless people are already low, like 8 is where it gets spooky

[shut owl]

Crimson vial

[lucid rain]

11 is fine as long as it isn't

[shut owl]

And alchemist bonus to healing potions

[cunning needle]

did a 20 DHT on my 450 hpal with my group trolling extending bursting on every pack

[lucid rain]

9.....10....11

[cunning needle]

and its still fine

bursting was nerfed hard this season

[shut owl]

I'm over here chugging and leeching my way through

Weird dagger value

[balmy condor]

yes

[rotund oak]

he also witnessed echo winning the RWF

not here to flex E.U or anything but u got owned 😄

[slim hamlet]

The more you know

[balmy condor]

I don't care about NA vs EU shit, I root for my friends

[rotund oak]

❤️

[balmy condor]

which doesn't mean liquid has to win

it just means echo has to lose

method winning would be banger

I'd be jumping in my chair

[rotund oak]

method on the rise

[bright cipher]

i am just pumpted for this race to being so awesome

i wanted echo to win, but goddam, if liquid won i would also have been happy

[gusty mirage]

first, second, or third, speed is still my champion

[hushed fable]

It's not that bad. I had a disc Priest y-day on Fall 21. Dude couldn't heal 3rd boss at all. You had a ball on you? You were dead in like 2 sec unless defensives... which are limited. He was using pain supp on himself only, used peneance to spot heal and was casting renew😂 . Dude barely got over 100k hps on that fight and lemme tell ya, on 20 HoI on 3rd boss last season I was at 120k hps with 435 ilvl disc. Some people just can't press their buttons correctly. So after 2 wipes I called it.

[rotund oak]

Speed

[strange python]

Now its time for buffs and nerfs 🧐let the “is my spec dead now” questions begin

[rotund oak]

I liked imexile alot this RWF he PUMPED

the dude is monster gamer

[balmy condor]

he got put on caustic duty in p2

[cunning needle]

some people just don't read how to play their class

you'd be surprised the amount of people who dont even read wowhead

[bright cipher]

yeah, echo have a lot of awesome people in it who makes me want to cheer for them, but even tough their did a wonderfull job the gap was too big.

[balmy condor]

where've you been, those people have been here since the raid launched

[cunning needle]

we had a guildie half way through sark prog who we had to tell "go read how to do the aug opener"

[strange python]

I just log in this discord for your pinned messages daddy

[cunning needle]

Is AsSI gEttINg NeRFed nExT WeEK?

[drowsy hollow]

Can I treat Sudden Demise as real damage?

[balmy condor]

if you wanted to, you would have already

amen

it's kinda complicated

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

most people will call it pad

but like, it is killing the mobs faster

[cunning needle]

oh well i had my 1 week of fun as assi. Got a 4.7m kingsbane holy fuck does it feel good to play a class with burst

[balmy condor]

and touch of death isn't bad

[slim hamlet]

I count it as real dmg

[balmy condor]

people don't bitch about touch of death

so idk

[drowsy hollow]

Not so much pad as stealing dps from others.

[slim hamlet]

You get to next pack faster

[balmy condor]

well that would be pad

[drowsy hollow]

It feels good when things just disappear though

[balmy condor]

but it is speeding the key up

[strange python]

I don’t think Assa would get nerfed 🧢

[balmy condor]

so personally I'd count it

[drowsy hollow]

Here's hoping but you know all the str specs are upset "we're being balanced around our leggo!"

[strange python]

You just know aug and havoc will sit there while A-B classes/specs will shift

[drowsy hollow]

And Warlocks are big mad this tier

[strange python]

I’m already gearing a balance and survival

[steel spire]

Decade of the spear

[strange python]

Survival is super fun, I hope it at least get decent

[proper vortex]

Does anyone know what the macro is for potion of ultimate power during burst?

[drowsy hollow]

feral's there too if you wanna stick with a bleed dps

[abstract jacinth]

With pi or aug? Holy if not I’m doing something wrong

[iron lynx]

you guys think sin is going to be nerfed that hard?

[drowsy hollow]

It's a bit easy to get some big numbers with the single target build haha.

[steel ridge]

Deleted actually

[cunning needle]

PI and aug 🙂 but this was log damage

tbh i probably high rolled a lot of stuff

[abstract jacinth]

How big are your KBs getting?

[drowsy hollow]

I'm a scrub who doesn't do real content on my rogue, just saying I do well for my low ilvl

[strange python]

trueee, its not a hard switch from balance as well

Stat wise

If something has not changed

[abstract jacinth]

I’ll have to look at some kills tomorrow that I’ve done, I definitely feel like I’m doing something wrong - but think I’m hitting the rotation in KB window right (but obviously not lol)

[kind talon]

i hope they buff mage

[sharp viper]

quite nothing like getting kingsbane parried 😦

[oak tangle]

que? it can be parried?

[steel spire]

Kb parries = alt f4 claim dc

[oak tangle]

new tech, bind shadowstep into my kb macro

[mighty lake]

Any1 got a good kingsbane addon that either glows or yells at you when u need to re-do shiv, thistle tea and vanish? All have diff timings that is really awkward to track in combat.

[solemn mason]

there are a few WA out that can help

[proper vortex]

Devlin weakaura is good

has a few setting for it too

[mighty lake]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[smoky leaf]

does it make sense that 483 sandglass sims +100 dps higher than 483 Cataclysmic Signet Brand for ST Sin build?

thought brand was supposed to be better

[cunning needle]

brand sorta does bleh on shorter fights im pretty sure

[smoky leaf]

ah so i should sim like 10 min patchwerk instead of 5?

or idk

7-8 min prob

[cunning needle]

you sim for the scenario you want to sim for

if you are farming heroics

then the first few bosses are like 2-3 minute

if you are doing mythic

[smoky leaf]

only rly playing Sin for mythic prog ST fights, im an outlaw main

[cunning needle]

you should try 6+

[smoky leaf]

yeah

[cunning needle]

data out is only as good as data in

[grand trail]

Volcaros is 4min boss too for example

On mythic

[stray bloom]

Hello guys, I've always play only sub/outlaw, but now I wanna give assa ( esp in m+) a go. Is it hard to pick up?

[cunning needle]

oh yeah

nah

assi is chill

i've made the swap until it gets nerfed

[smoky leaf]

it better not get nerfed Sadge

[cunning needle]

maybe a -3% aura buff

¯_(ツ)_/¯

its still kinda fun and blasting anyway

[slate crown]

On last boss of rise

are the portal guardian adds like, tauntable?

they just spam cast but is this tank just bad or do they just pick random cast targets?

tank is just ignoring them

[cunning needle]

tank still needs to tank them im pretty sure

cant just ignore

[slate crown]

Ok so not my fault Idied to spam casts while popping everything I had to stay alive

[median root]

stop manifesting, we're not getting touched

[cunning needle]

yeah tank probably just ignored the adds

[slate crown]

the bot command has my profile, there's a kingsbane timeline in there that's pretty popular, at the top of the list

[mighty lake]

Been using it, hard to pay attention to a bar instead of just a glowing icon or sound when I'm learning assa :/

[slate crown]

Yeah that's fair, different preferences for people

Oh

the timeline has sounds

You can enable a sound on each tick to play

[mighty lake]

I noticed one for vanish only I think

[wild beacon]

icon option too!

[slate crown]

You can enable them for every tick

go to the custom options tab

There's a bunch of options there

That doesn't change the fact that it isn't an icon

so, that's fair if you still want an icon instead of a bar, just wanted you to know there's sound there too if that's something you were looking for

[mighty lake]

I enable the play sound here?

[slate crown]

Yah, check Play Sound and select the sound you want to play in the sound dropdown

[prisma cypress]

i just modified my weakauras so that shiv glows when it’s not active and there’s <8 seconds left on kingsbane, thistle tea glows at 6 seconds, vanish at 3..

or whatever

[candid goblet]

https://wago.io/jhS7hqN3v does anyone know how to adjust volume on WA's such as this one? Its extremely loud

way louder than everything else in game

[slate crown]

Unfortunatly I don't think there's a way to adjust the volume of individual sound play actions.

Sounds are played on a sound channel, and you can change the volume of all sounds in that channel

Let me see what that one gives you

[prisma cypress]

yeah, you’ll probably need to turn your game sound down and then turn individual channels up

[candid goblet]

this is what I usually play on

[slate crown]

Oh not even, this isn't using the play sound it's using text-to-speech, and I'm not sure what channel that plays on by default

hrm

[mighty lake]

You can choose which channel, no?

[slate crown]

In mine you can, yes

That's only because I configure it accordingly, I ahd to specifically make a custom dropdown to select those options

so that this could be done

[candid goblet]

oh, do you guys have a branch wa with those settingsd then

[slate crown]

I mean I have my branch aura

sec

[mighty lake]

Btw where's ur envenom uptime in ur WA? I'm either blind or smth bc I've used it for a while but still see no envenom uptime

[slate crown]

https://wago.io/q7bHLuILp Plays a sound when you pick up, little water bloops. You can select the sound channel in custom options if you want to adjust that channel's volume if the bloops are too loud

Take a look at the custom options page to see what you can adjust

[slate crown]

In which WA? You mean my overall WA pack?

[candid goblet]

oh sick, I'll probably disable the entire visual

and just leave the sound

[slate crown]

There's a "Simple mode" where you can remove the bar

and only have the dots

you can make the dots super small too, option to adjust size in the options menu if you'd like

[keen spruce]

there's no such thing as too loud boops

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/doggo-boop-gif-22290017

[mighty lake]

Yea this one

[sharp viper]

i would be lost trying to know if i picked up an orb amidst the visual clutter that some fights are - the sound helps a lot

[slate crown]

It's below the energy bar. It's the green progress bar that shows up with the red tick, that's envenom

The red tick is pandemic time, so that's when it's Safe to re-cast envenom when pooling

[mighty lake]

Ah fuark didint see it thanks

Btw I didint get this answered anywhere

But improved garrote/rupture is obv stronger than reapplying a randopm one.

[slate crown]

Yeah sound is a pretty valuable addition

[mighty lake]

Does reapplying garrote at pandemic window make u waste 30% of an improve garrote?

[slate crown]

Yes

[mighty lake]

ty blizzard

[slate crown]

For improved garrote you want it to tick down

all the way before refreshing

[mighty lake]

Is rupture improved at all or just spread?

[slate crown]

I mean on the other end, if you have 30% of pandemic carry over from a non-improved garrote into an improevd garrote

then you get 30% "free" improevd garrote

added on top

[mighty lake]

Oh that's actually isck

[slate crown]

Rupture is improved by Nightstalker,

Which is a measely 10%

It is improved, but it's not like Garrote's 50% with imp garrote

[mighty lake]

That's partly why we reapply garrotes after opener when we shadow dance yea?

[slate crown]

partly yes

So clipping into a rupture pandemic which is improved isn't as detrimental

[mighty lake]

When is trinket timer during all this btw? After deathmark?

[slate crown]

still best to let it tick down

Depends on the trinket

Branch trinket is with deathmark

Ashes trinket is 3 seconds after kingsbane is cast

Most all-purpose trinkets are with deathmark afaik

[mighty lake]

And during our non opener window, we simply keep uptime on envenom without going below 50% and over 100% energy?

While obv reapplying all dots etc

[hushed barn]

if you have 4pc you dont care about the 50% energy

[mighty lake]

nah i dont even have 2p

[hushed barn]

if you dont have 4pc you dont care about chaining envenoms

[mighty lake]

If have 4p = you don't care

If you dont have 4p = you dont care about spammign envenoms

Isint this the same thing?

[proper vortex]

Hey guys, in raid scenario for sin ST spec, is our prio just simply get garrote and rupture ticking on the adds?

[hushed barn]

read the rest of the have 4pc part

[strange python]

I'd be surprised if it wasn't a gain to pool when you don't have enough energy to keep envenoms up, even with 4pc.

[hushed barn]

you pool, but you dont stay above 50

[strange python]

Well you would naturally get high energy while pooling

[hushed barn]

you go 80-0 and then 0-80 and back down to 0

you dont go 80-50 then back to 80

[candid goblet]

@slate crown what does the red color indicate on simple mode?

[earnest remnant]

Without new 4set = stay above 50% energy
With new 4set = pool up energy to chain Envenoms for as long as possible

[neat horizon]

Just a headsup that next week is shades week so we cant restealth. Have fun boys

[strange python]

Not getting blindside procs feels bad

[proper vortex]

By envenom cahin you just mean dont let that buff fall off right?

[earnest remnant]

yeah

you wait until the buff is about to time out

[proper vortex]

So its not spammy, its just timing it well

yeah

[mighty lake]

This 4s?

[earnest remnant]

then fire another envenom

[strange python]

What's the logic on exile build btw? When would you play lethal vs standard?

[royal lantern]

good thing it never mattered and does even less now

[steel spire]

Restealths are for weak

[hushed barn]

yes

[mighty lake]

gotta save vanishes/SD's for this now, no?

Or we simply get our garrotes up every KB combo?

[strange python]

Applying silences is important for a good chunk of packs.

[steel spire]

If silence matters for a pack

[strange python]

Damage might not matter overall but the on pull silence and DR is big for large pulls in some keys

[steel spire]

Tank would adjust for it anyways

[royal lantern]

cool, you have vanish and dance

and how does it matter when they then badly chainpull instead of letting you do it lmao

[neat horizon]

Indiscriminate carnage is crying in a corner

[strange python]

Everbloom, waycrest, atal all have pulls where it's very useful

[keen spruce]

I use my vanish for iron wire in all keys anyways

[steel spire]

Ne

[strange python]

And if you sent vanish on a boss for damage? Or mid pull on another pack?

Having more DRs and more silences is good.

Vanish and dance have cool downs

[keen spruce]

then I spread ruptures manutally

and do slightly less damage for a bit

[strange python]

Then you didn't apply iron wire

[earnest remnant]

it all matters alot less than youd think

[keen spruce]

like

dance is a 1m CD

[runic hinge]

Wish someone would iron wire me irl

[keen spruce]

i'm gonna have wires for basically every pull no matter what

whether it was chained or not

[zealous niche]

Can you restealth mid pack with shadowmeld? Doesn't seem to work for me or do I need to macro something?

[stray bloom]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[steel spire]

Blind blackjack I guess

[keen spruce]

especially since it'll be fort next week

you always have wires every minute

[strange python]

Holding dance for pull is weird timing and you often don't dance until after rup, spatter, and KB are up

[keen spruce]

and a ffelxible one with vanish

every two

[steel spire]

I trust duck 3k gamer

[keen spruce]

I have KB bound to dance

[royal lantern]

people always act as if stealth is this massive thing

in reality it was always more dmg on 1 ability, and now you have a tool too apply that one anyway

[keen spruce]

haven't really felt like i've needed to use dance flexibly just to appliy wires

[mighty lake]

hw u spread garrote/ruptures w/o stealth?

[strange python]

Silences allow you to full group the everbloom big pulls. It's not the damage.

[keen spruce]

also getting restealtlhs with spitefuls is pretty easy

anyways

[royal lantern]

by...using the abilitys...? what kind of question is that lmao

[keen spruce]

a mild annoyance

[royal lantern]

jesus christ fotm rollers

[mighty lake]

hahahahhah

[strange python]

It's weird that you say Jesus fotm rerollers but you keep responding about damage when that's not what people mentioned

[keen spruce]

I mean I agree that spiteful is annoying

[harsh galleon]

How do you crank your kingsbane damage see some people slapping better then others

[keen spruce]

that's kind of the whole point of the affixes

but like

you dn't need to do anything different

[grand trail]

You ask your tank to let you resealth than leave the key when he ignore it second time

[keen spruce]

and the keys are going to be the same as always

[grand trail]

And go next

Easy

[keen spruce]

your tank listens to you about restealths between every pack and you do the dungeon like 5 minutes slower

and brick your key

[mighty lake]

I have a hard time believing it's a low dps loss having to use over 5-6 spenders to get ruptures up and waiting 6 seconds between each garrote

[strange python]

That's cap.

[royal lantern]

then where was the "giant silence value" in the last 4years of it existing lol, nobody cared cus it doesnt really matter

if it would matter, its a pull where you want everyone full anyway

[earnest remnant]

i just tell me premade, either chainpull early or let me restealth

[mighty lake]

Mb u mean that u get the dots every KB opener anyways so it's low amount of pulls that u wont have KB?

[royal lantern]

dance?? vanish??

use your abilitys

[strange python]

The damage was so atrocious it didn't matter?

[mighty lake]

Ya so u said no stealth, I assumed u were using both SD and vanih in KB. We agree then

[rotund oak]

copied that from the stream 😄

[strange python]

That's like saying dh leg sweep is useless because they weren't meta last patch lol

[neat horizon]

just play outlaw and abuse Float Like a Butterfly to evasion every shade and kill it before you go into the next pack and get a clean restealth

📈

[royal lantern]

so ...you are saying that utility doesnt matter unless something does dmg

hmmm

[strange python]

No.

Christ you're just trolling aren't you

[steel spire]

True Yolo outlaw if u want restealth gameplay

[keen spruce]

we're getting off the rails here

stop being sassy sallys

[earnest remnant]

at the end of the day ironwire and restealths are fucking meaningless, if your tank actually does proper chainpulling

[keen spruce]

[strange python]

90% of tanks aren't even chain pulling effectively they're just walking into the next pack when the one you're on is at .05%

[neat horizon]

i agree nerf dh

[keen spruce]

then don't engage the next pack

[strange python]

That's why people bitch. You might as well give the combat drop at that point

[earnest remnant]

based

[keen spruce]

and finish your spite

and then stealth

[mighty lake]

Im ngl my tanks haven't chainpulled a single pack and I'm just a 2850 rio andy right now

[grand trail]

Next week is spiteful?

[mighty lake]

idk what issues u guys are running ijnto

[keen spruce]

like i have tanks occasionally do the classic "chain" one mob with 500k health into the next pack

but it's in the "mildly annoying" category

[earnest remnant]

i play with a premade group of people that were all 3700+k last season

[grand trail]

Or why everyone talk about spiteful now?

[keen spruce]

not "omg the key is ruined" category

[earnest remnant]

he either chainpulls or let me restealth

[strange python]

3700,000?

[neat horizon]

do you get clapped by the dh or are you beating him?

[royal lantern]

"assa suck cus no re-stealth" is just so hilarious, when assa doesnt really care about it, got even more tools that make you care even less about it, and was historicaly less affected by no-stealth then outlaw

like

bruh

its no big deal

[neat horizon]

Zerocool almost got kicked by his premade atleast 3 times lmao

[slate crown]

For both modes, red dot = the orb is ready for pickup based on the pickup times configured on the options page

[strange python]

No one said this what are you on about

[neat horizon]

he gets tilted by the pulls

[runic hinge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[royal lantern]

^

[mighty lake]

My point was if someone was using SD and Vanish both during KB instead of spreading the dots.

[grand trail]

Idk but our tanks like when we start pull with silince on every mob

[keen spruce]

right you shouldn't do that

you shouldn't maximize KBs with vanish in a key

[grand trail]

They group up nicely

[keen spruce]

except on bosses

[strange python]

And if your tank is a DH they like the DR.

[keen spruce]

or if you know it's going to be up for something important

[earnest remnant]

make me

[slate crown]

I feel like pulls where I fully focus on bleeds

[keen spruce]

u can do w/e you want you're a special boi

[slate crown]

are ones where I have moer fun

[mighty lake]

Does this take into account the gcds ur wasting and the uptime of not having indiscrimate carnage to spread dots? Or does it account for using SD/Vanish?

Because the wording is a bit iffy

[runic hinge]

Idk, watch it and come back and tell us what you found

[royal lantern]

yes, ofc

[keen spruce]

it doesn't

that first line

but like

it still doesn't matter

[royal lantern]

again, just manualy aoe dot (you play a dot spec lol, manual dotting is lart of the deal)

or use vanish/dance, and its all done anyway

[keen spruce]

the fact is

restealthing verifiably did not matter before this tier

and now we have MORE tools to access stealth

so it matters less

[runic hinge]

Might matter less now because we have SD

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

it could maybe

[median agate]

0% mattering, to now even less mattering

[runic hinge]

matter for 4% of your damage if you never got a restealth

[keen spruce]

4% of you damage is 0% mattering

[mighty lake]

I'm just saying, the tip paragraph is not conveying the message that he's using SD/Vanish instead of stealth. It reads a lot more like "just manually dot and ignore having garrote up for half ur fights" type deal.

[runic hinge]

Did you watch the video?

[mighty lake]

I would adjust it a bit to not mislead new players reading it

[royal lantern]

why should it ignore using your abilitys lol

[runic hinge]

lll

[mighty lake]

No I did not watch a 33 minute video to learn a binary truth about an ability.

[keen spruce]

it's not giving you a tip

[median agate]

Remember a conversation about someone getting absolutely nuked in this discord for saying 4% wasn't that big of a deal

[keen spruce]

it's just saying that shit people are complaining about doesn't matter

[runic hinge]

Well maybe you could watch it and then you would you would just know instead

[royal lantern]

prepare fkr that when minor adjustments too the spec will happen in the next couple weeks

[grim jay]

Lies, we all know bigger details number = bigger fun

[steel spire]

[grand trail]

You can always play outlaw if your group do not care about iron wire

And do more dmg

[earnest remnant]

could also just reroll DH

[keen spruce]

well he got nuked for very heinously bad sims being like 4% off anything remotely accurate

then saying that wasn't a big deal

[grim jay]

Or bm

[median agate]

True

Funny number still

[grand trail]

Than I have to gear my dh which I don't like

[runic hinge]

If we get nuked to bottom tier I just go back to feral

[median agate]

But everyone "disagreeing" so far today has had the same opinion. Just different levels of annoyances with how some tanks pull

[runic hinge]

Or maybe not

[mighty lake]

I was bored of healing so i picked up one of the fotm's and DH was more likely to be nerfed so

[steel spire]

Yo but the chain pulling value of rupture up on spitefuls

Giga energy

[median agate]

As in, no it doesn't really matter, but kinda sucks if the "chain" pulls are dog

[runic hinge]

can go without tea and take acro

[grand trail]

I will ask again, is next week spiteful? As everyone mention here

[steel spire]

Trueeeee

[keen spruce]

when's the last time you pogged about doing 166,400 dps vs 160,000 dps in a dungeon

[neat horizon]

Bro if you enjoy playing BM, idk what to tell you

[keen spruce]

[mighty lake]

btw anyone here playing both DH and rogue right now?

[grand trail]

I did last season but I'm not playing ALTs early in new season

[royal lantern]

i just vibe with shmeeps

[keen spruce]

I play rogue and bench

[neat horizon]

i am (Kinda), but im finding dh to be super boring tbf

[grim jay]

I ever only cared about atleast staying competitive in m+ tbf

[mighty lake]

is it a more zug zug priority system class like the other melees?

where u drool a lot more?

[keen spruce]

[grim jay]

Definitely

[mighty lake]

ait rerolling was nice to know y'all gl on ur KB uptimes

[keen spruce]

oh we're assuming it is

if the rotation hasn't changed

[distant plinth]

So after wfr do you think we will Get nerfed? Assa rogue is destroying meters on 7/9 bosses atleast

[keen spruce]

should be volcanic spite

[runic hinge]

I suppose this is the best assa has been all expack even if damage go down I probably stay because it's fun af rn

[grim jay]

Drooling is part of DH, BM and fury

[grim jay]

If they balance around PI probably

[steel spire]

Pi nerf shadow buff

[mighty lake]

we're giga strong with PI bc of kingsbane ramp right?

[steel spire]

Assa chilling 🙏🏾

[runic hinge]

Just nuke twin suns outta the tree and make PI back to good again and everyone is happy

[grand trail]

That's kinda fuck up as I hate spiteful most

[grim jay]

They should just turn PI into a passive haste increase on priest CD use

That cant be given out

[runic hinge]

They should make pi raidwide and call it lightlust

[median agate]

PI totems, give shamans more utility

[candid goblet]

thanks!

[royal lantern]

somewhere, a bunch of disc and shadowpriests sighed in peace, and a holy is happy that he doesng need too cancle a cd cus of a stupid dps spamming a PI ME macro

[junior aurora]

just make pi priest only

selfcast

[royal lantern]

yes

[junior aurora]

easy solution

[grim jay]

On the other hand, they would need to nuke BM and DH down bad aswell, since they are fairly equal, even with PI

[median agate]

Wonder how long people would still ask for PI after the change

[junior aurora]

not like priests dont have a guaranteed raid buff already

[grim jay]

[grim jay]

Kinda what I said, just with an extra button

[royal lantern]

shadow is balanced aroud pi as a personal anyway

holy doesnt really care about pi cus it doesnt use haste good at all, but it also sucks when people spamm for pi during your cd's

disc would love too use pi as a healing personal

[junior aurora]

some discs do lol

[royal lantern]

all priests would be happy about it beeing personal only

[fallen knoll]

Personal pi for priests is the best solution

[keen spruce]

priest gets personal pi today, and assas still gets nerfed tuesday

[royal lantern]

during CN, disc without using pi on yourself felt really bad

[keen spruce]

they're comin for our knees

[mighty lake]

standard league of legends nerf cycle

[keen spruce]

[junior aurora]

disc in my group did

[runic hinge]

they hate us cause they aint us

[mighty lake]

nerf a champ, then nerf the items that champ likes to build so u double nerf it

[keen spruce]

I'd say

[junior aurora]

you just hoped your cds lined up with when he needed pi lmao

[keen spruce]

there's roughly a 0% chance that we don't get trimmed a little bit

[fallen knoll]

If sin gets nerfed big-time and havoc/bm stay untouched blizzard is clueless

[junior aurora]

that wont happen

[keen spruce]

probably a bit off of KB and small aura nerf

or gar maybe idk

[junior aurora]

nah garrote isn't the problem

[mighty lake]

honestly, enha would be poppin hard if dh rog hunt got nerfed

[runic hinge]

Probably KB nerf

[junior aurora]

just put kingsbane in check a bit and it fixes everything

[keen spruce]

or spatter tbh

[junior aurora]

kingsbane is whats enabling spatter

[steel spire]

If they capped kb stacks ggggggggg

[junior aurora]

kb stacks are capped

[runic hinge]

They are

[keen spruce]

[steel spire]

[junior aurora]

[grim jay]

Cant remember when they nuked sin the last time for being good in rwf while other classes were equally good if they had their gear and ended up higher than sin was pre nerf, while sin now was mediocre... Oh wait

[steel spire]

You mean they can reduce them

[junior aurora]

i guess the difference is

[grim jay]

Sin is a good PI target without kb

[junior aurora]

sin would be good even if other classes had gear

[keen spruce]

I mean i'm not saying sass is the only thing that's gonna get nerfed

[spiral pasture]

its fine havoc hasnt been that good recently, they can be good for a bit

[keen spruce]

but sass definitely gettin nerfed

[junior aurora]

like there's no world where havoc doessn't get touched

and sin does

[mighty lake]

Btw guys do you still play the game after getting ur CE? This is the last tier so

[grim jay]

It would have the PI diff

Not much else

[keen spruce]

haven't thought that far ahead

[junior aurora]

fated tier bruther

[keen spruce]

not very pog on fated

not sure if my guild would even raid

[junior aurora]

gotta get your gear for s4

[ocean ginkgo]

!ui

[earnest remnant]

reclear every week

[mighty lake]

About havoc nerfs, does blizzard usually nerf S+ tier classes to like B tier? Or is it usually to high A+ tier they keep stuff?

[royal lantern]

if you stop playing, guild will fall appart lol

[junior aurora]

this xpac has been S+ to A

[earnest remnant]

grind never stop

[spiral pasture]

its kinda very bad for the guild to just stop raiding until next expac

[earnest remnant]

gotta keep the guild alive

[junior aurora]

only a few specs been nerfed multiple letter tiers

[spiral pasture]

yeah

[grim jay]

They do what they think is appropriate which either kills it or isnt too bad

[ocean ginkgo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[mighty lake]

So DH stonks good bc they will remain A+ you think?

[royal lantern]

like, a decent raiding guild does atleast 1 raid a week after everyone has CE, otherwhise some people will go and it can snowball from there

[grim jay]

Well thing with classes that are equal without PI and get nerfed for their PI performance is

[royal lantern]

fated zskarn

[grim jay]

They can get nerfed to where they are only a bit weaker

But lose PI due to that

And suck

[keen spruce]

i move tomorrow

grind pause

[junior aurora]

assa rogue wouldn't suck without pi

[keen spruce]

for irl grind

[grim jay]

If it gets nerfed because of PI it can suck real fast if they dont get it afterwards

[vivid venture]

Instead of nerfing maybe blizz can just buff other classes

[grim jay]

And its not like sin is the absolute PI contender

[vivid venture]

idk

[junior aurora]

rn it basically is for st

[grim jay]

Same

[junior aurora]

your options are sin or uh lol

[grim jay]

Bm isnt far off

[junior aurora]

3k dps is pretty far

(and they're also gonna get touched)

[royal lantern]

so, instead of nerfing 1 thing, buff 20+ Others?

[runic hinge]

wish you'd touch me

[royal lantern]

[runic hinge]

ok gn everyone

[junior aurora]

gotta pay for that big man

[grim jay]

3k isnt far for a nerf and you wont know if they will. We dont even know what they will nerf at all

[runic hinge]

Maybe they don't nerf

[grim jay]

I dont have any trust left in blizz balancing

After all these years

[royal lantern]

thats why you have too stop caring

[fallen knoll]

Are they just balancing classes based on performance in raids or is m+ involved in it too?

[royal lantern]

and just enjoy the ride

[junior aurora]

both

[spiral pasture]

feels like raid tuning gets way more attention tho

[grim jay]

I dont, but I dont think all the copium is good either. I'd just play sub if sin gets nuked, because odds are sub would be stronger

[royal lantern]

then you play dust sub

[hushed fable]

Why is that? In fact class balance over the years is better and better. Like ever since Legion it is not as unbalanced as people say or think.

[grim jay]

I dont think dust sub is as bad as some make it out to be. Think most just cant wrap their head around it

[junior aurora]

[spiral pasture]

because dooming is fun

[grim jay]

Its still not great even if it is better.

[royal lantern]

your right, its not as bad as some act it is

its even worse

[grim jay]

I kinda like it. The only thing I dont like is BP hitting like a noodle

[royal lantern]

df overall had a really really good balance with the exceptipn of 1-2 hickups, and outliers always got adjusted fast

[grim jay]

Apart from the questionable sin balancing s1 even

[spiral pasture]

1-2 hickups like introducing a gamebreaking spec 20 year old game isnt built for

[royal lantern]

yes, thats 1 of them

small oopsie

:3

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-oops-ouch-well-maybe-gif-15443300

delete aug

[mighty lake]

aug is such a mistake

[spiral pasture]

imagine putting in all this effort creating devastation

the real victims of aug

[mighty lake]

@slate crown what's the red line if I may ask?

[royal lantern]

all our evokers wanna play devestation or preservation

nope

aug

enjoy beeing a warlock/mage simp

[grim jay]

Same

All of the 1 evoker

[slate crown]

That's when shadow dance is ending. It's to tell you that's when to swap from Ambush to Mutilate if you have separate buttons for them, and that garrote is no longer improved

[royal lantern]

preservation is such a good desinged spec

nope

fuck you

press 1 button for ebonmight

[mighty lake]

ever a reason to not have them in same bind? because of caustic?

[steel spire]

Lizards are friends

[distant fox]

They were used to seperste keybindw

[slate crown]

Just preference / historical use. Many simply have 2 buttons because it's been that way for years. You are fine to combine them to one button with the same space on your action bars between stance, or with a macro

[grim jay]

True. Im bummed that you are a dragon all the time, but it looks pretty interesting spellwise, tho godtier healer for me still is monk

[distant fox]

Now i got shadowdance at shiv that was at ambush location

[mighty lake]

I mean does ambush apply caustic?

[slate crown]

Yes

[royal lantern]

dont play the dragon class if you dont wanna be a dragon mate

[distant fox]

Just press shift0 4 5 2 1 on my mouse and big burst is going

Shift 10*

[slate crown]

if you have a giga mouse like that ur a nerd

[royal lantern]

[distant fox]

13 buttons. Bktton 13 is dhadowstep.

[grim jay]

Yeah thats why I dont. But imagine you had a toggle that would let you stay in human form unless you use a skill like breath or smth with flying, that would turn you into one while using

[royal lantern]

N E R D

[distant fox]

Lol

I just like piano mouses

[mighty lake]

scalies in charge of blizzard they had to appeal to that audience

[grim jay]

I cant, using a shooter mouse with 2 thumb buttons since forever

[royal lantern]

mate

i would prefer if they never had made the shity visage form anf instead spend the time on making the walk circle less akward and give them normal tmog lmao

[slate crown]

NGL I would have absolutely played a dracthyr if the third spec was a mail tank

like I think that would have been sick

[grim jay]

Real and based aswell

[slate crown]

and not an aug

[royal lantern]

shut up elf

[distant fox]

Took time to adjust

[slate crown]

casters just lame

[mighty lake]

ok scalie

im a tauren female rogue

[royal lantern]

@keen spruce he doesnt know

lmao

[junior aurora]

i feel like the profile pic with the name tryanuwu should give you away at this point

[royal lantern]

tbf

that name is cus of the stupid discord name change thing

[runic hinge]

Likely story

[junior aurora]

you still chose it

after being forced to rename