assassination

[slate crown]

when you pop branch, pick up 1 orb. Then pick up another. Then wait 7 seconds after that, and pick up the third (This is what "1/1/7" means when people mention it). Is the "Optimal" way, however to see the output impact of various other pickup times, can see this sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nDmsMZ5ZxoMBXGLHfcpeLC

Ultimate takeaway is that 1/1/6->1/1/9 are all basically the same, and other pickup times aren't too far behind, as long as you pick up the first two orbs relatively early.

[bleak ivy]

Should I sim with ''Hectic Add Cleave'' to find out best builds for , Larodar , Gnarllroot , Igira , Fyrrak?

[rare jackal]

fuck me, ive been doing it wrong then
i thought seconds refers to the remaining duration of the buff, not 7 seconds after the last orb

[limber lion]

You just play ST build with Spatter, that's it

[bleak ivy]

lol nice

bone spike sims best for me damn

[slate crown]

In M+ as you are spreading bleeds, you will be regenerating energy quickly, and therefore pooling simply doesn't need to happen as much because you are energy saturated. If you can't get the energy recovery enough, that means you are not spreading your bleeds enough.

In M+ build on bosses, you treat it just like you would in the raid builds.

[deft vault]

pretty sure 1/1/4 to 1/1/9 was basically equal

[slate crown]

I'm just referring to the output of the sim I linked. You can review those outputs if you like.

[mint kindle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mint kindle]

!bis

[frozen iris]

Yeah I feel that. Probably need to get nerfed a little but would happy if we didn’t lol

[slate crown]

!guide wowhead has a Gear page. But BiS lists are not very insightful. The trinket section is helpful if you want to read up on trinket commentary

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[deft vault]

Non simped assa doesnt really deserve nerfs

[mint kindle]

Thanks! 🙂

[spiral pasture]

anyone else have signet outsimming pips by a lot?

[slate crown]

!wa Ultimately you don't want to delay your branch orbs too much if you pick up late. Like, for us especially, the goal is to have 3 stacks covering as much of the end of KB as possible. It's better to have full coverage, yes, but you have to consider the practical reality of getting the orbs.

If you delay your first 2 orbs by 3 seconds, you don't want to wait another 7 seconds after the second orb.

The reason it's framed that way ("1/1/7") is because it's easier for a human to count out how long since last orb so it is a practical recommendation, I think.

Latest version of my branch WA in my profile has visual dots which change color when an orb is ready to be picked up, if that is helpful

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[frozen iris]

In single target it should be outsimming. It’s the bis single target trinket

[bleak ivy]

nah echo assa rogue snorted an energy drink on camera

forbidden pre

[stiff kernel]

wi have zero issues in AoE, im specifically talking ST

[next dust]

do i break old 2 set for a 3rd piece of current tier for higher ilvl?

[slate crown]

!pooling In ST you treat the rotation the same as the raid build in ST. With 4pc you chain envenoms, and when you run out of energy, you reset your chain and pool up to 80%

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[rare jackal]

makes sense, thanks

[next dust]

currently have 2 and 2 set

[slate crown]

Gonna be a sim question

[deft vault]

sim yourself but im 99.99% sure that no

[stiff kernel]

just seems hard without blackout etc., I find I just cant keep my energy above 50%

[bleak ivy]

no

[slate crown]

You don't want your energy to stay above 50

[hushed barn]

you dont keep your energy above 50

thats if you dont have 4pc

[stiff kernel]

oh I guess I misunderstood then

i thought he said in the video to stay above 50% for sanguine blades

[slate crown]

#assassination message Read the "With 4 piece" line

[stiff kernel]

ok gotcha

[slate crown]

That's why I included the bot command 😛

[magic wolf]

on smolderon you wanna use cd´s on pull and then save it for the second intermission?

or everything on cd

[slate crown]

Smold is rough to decide

But really you want to sync your DM with lust

If you look at Lorrgs, lots of top parses go both ways

[deft vault]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[slate crown]

but the most consistent pattern is DM is sent with lust, if the group uses lust on pull, DM goes there, sometimes lust is first intermission, and DM goes with it there (You would use KB on pull without DM, it'll be up by first intermission to pair with DM)

[fickle siren]

we want to get PI during DM and KB, right?

[slate crown]

Ideal PI cast time is on DM, yes

[fickle siren]

thanks

[outer cairn]

Not gonna lie, switching over to venom rush and bs for tyrannical with the shock build has been very nice

[pulsar apex]

remind me what BS is

[slate crown]

Blindside (free no-stealth ambush)

[slate crown]

Makes sense that it would feel better for tyran, I'll give it a try

[pulsar apex]

Ah yes. Ok so just a slight single target tweak to the shock build

Sounds cool

I love BS in 10.2

[wooden perch]

do i always use ambush if i have it over mutilate?

[strange python]

yeah

or do you want the long answer

[slate crown]

Best answer.

[pulsar apex]

Still keeping tight spender in this hybrid shock build?

[outer cairn]

It definitely helps keep your energy up and output not having to pool as much.

Adds still fall over so

[shut owl]

tried that cooked no-CT build in a key; incredibly weird. felt like I just couldn't offload energy fast enough to be efficient

[strange python]

at least you gave it a try

[shut owl]

on the plus side, not sudden demising an entire pack did help with not murdering us in bursting

[dark token]

juicer

[shut owl]

but yeah, any pack that wasn't on the 2min timer felt scuffed, and it didn't feel worth to even spread dots beyond initial target/cleave if KB was up. real wacky

[strange python]

i mean of course with spatter and KB up on packs, missing CT isn't that apparent.

But at the end of the day it's still just the way to go for aoe

maybe with all its setup KB is technically more damage-per-use

but CT is the king of that for sure...there's just not a reason not to spec it

[shut owl]

shrug the damage is there; the build is functional without CT. it just feels terrible.

[forest notch]

I might have mised this in guide but do I basically exclusively save shiv for KB? ie if im at 2 stacks. Is there ever points where you cast outside of KB? like due to the timings?

[strange python]

you always save it for KB

[shut owl]

yes. we shiv KB only

[strange python]

30 + 30 - 1:00 so it works out

[rugged grail]

what is the name of the council build guys ?

or its just a build made only for this fight

[strange python]

ST + Spatter

lol

[rugged grail]

is the opener different from raid dance ?

[shell quartz]

anyone know the loot reset on Lord KazzaK?

is it daily or weekly?

[strange python]

The mathematical opener isn't going to change no - experiment as you see fit, however...every group (and in fact every pull) seems different to me, personally.

I'd say for the most consistent results on council, just spec ST Spatter...and train a m'fer.

[shut owl]

figure out how your raid pulls the fight, if the tank doesn't wanna stack things for the first jump you're maybe gonna get value outta dotting all 3 before rolling into a KB/spatter; goes the other way if the tank stacks em before that first jump

[viral aurora]

is it shit to go lariat instead of toxified on bracer for example?

[grand trail]

insane neck dmg

[junior olive]

do yall like having Toxic Thorn Boots / Armor patch...or Toxic Thorn / Blue silk ?

i see on wowhead its kinda a pref just wondering whats yall take on it

[wispy hazel]

is it 1 spark per week or one half

[strange python]

May depend on how often you are above 90% health, honestly.

oh wait that's blue silken

[quaint hull]

if like M+ go blue silk.

I went toxic patch bc im flipping through all rogue specs

[forest notch]

ty

and unrelated follow up, when guide says 4+ combo points use X does that mean if I have 4 I should always use or is there situations I should go to 5/6?

[quaint hull]

Questions boys, with branch, do you grab orbs before sending KB? or can you send KB then grab orbs?

[strange python]

you want to pop it with deathmark - and grab it like 1 sec, 1 more sec, 7 more sec

[quaint hull]

ok ok,

[sage zenith]

On a ST as sins do we use Crimson Tempest (M+)?

[strange python]

no

[shut owl]

no

[sage zenith]

thank you!

[shell quartz]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[glossy grove]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[forest notch]

Im convinced its not possible to win loot in pug raids

this new roll system is dumb, wtb personal loot So I just get loot or not and not have to feel bad about rolling 30s every roll

[royal lantern]

why do you fucking pug raids

lmao

[forest notch]

Im on an alt lol

LFR is always pug and guild doesnt do alt runs

[rugged wadi]

I want to make a castsequence macro for my opener but since ambush sometimes procs i can't add mutilate in there, doesn anyone know how can i fix that?

[lucid silo]

its no different than personal loot, personal loot just hid it behind a veil of secrecy

[slate crown]

Because I don't have time to commit to a dedicated raid group, my RL schedule makes it not possible to predict my available times, so I do pugs because that's all I have time to do .

[forest notch]

my mutilate button changes to ambush would that not work in a macro?

[forest notch]

ya but this felt 1000x better and it had bad luck protection

this system doesnt magically make me rol lhigher

[rugged wadi]

is there a way to add a button instead of the spell itself?

[lucid silo]

so you want to be given loot for free

[rugged wadi]

if i add mutilate and it procs then no it wont work

[slate crown]

You cannot do a castsequence for this reason (also for the fact that it's just not a good idea generally)

There is no workaround

[rugged wadi]

sad

was much easier last season

just press 1 button

ok thaks

[forest notch]

I just dont want to see me rolling 30 al lthe time lol and lose. Rather just lose and it not be seen, felt less crappy I dunno.

[slate crown]

Just hide your loot window

never lookat your rolls

[forest notch]

lol

I try not to tbh

I like close my eyes

this referring to the Lord Kazzak neck?

[slim hamlet]

ye

[forest notch]

you can only kill once a day right?

[slim hamlet]

ye

[slate crown]

But I feel you, I got exactly one piece of loot from raid, and it was the fist weapon for offspec

from doing every difficulty past 2 weeks

[slim hamlet]

u already did mythic clear?

holy

[slate crown]

OK

Normal and heroic

[forest notch]

I just feel like my loot from raids pugging in DF is way lower than previous expacs and it just feels awful

[slim hamlet]

[slate crown]

[forest notch]

but is what it is I suppose

this neck is probably really good for someone who is 424 though I assume

[royal lantern]

idk

skill issue

[forest notch]

liquid on another potentially good pull

[royal lantern]

or something like that

(not serious, love you)

[slate crown]

I mean frankly, it is a skill issue

[slate crown]

[dark crag]

when you get pi 15 sec before dm is ready

so funny when a green parsing rogue is top dmg in the logs...

[forest notch]

ya im glued to this lol

[slate crown]

It feels so much nicer being in the graces of a priest that has the WA and is watching

Like, joining a group and the instant I press DM I get PI without having said anything

[dark crag]

mostly heals tend to use that

[slate crown]

I feel like I'm in comfy, good hands

[dark crag]

heal pi is best pi

[stark kraken]

[dark crag]

like on the nimue kill i got all pi before kingsbane could do any dmg

[slate crown]

Yeah see priests there assume you want it on Cd

but it isn't on CD, it's always delayed for me with intermission because adds come out slightly after 1m

so KB gets shifted back like 10 s

[dark crag]

yeah

[slate crown]

but the priests that don't know just slam it on cd

Thankfull with pooling, I have time to literally type to them

Every pug Nymue I've done I'm spam whispering them "HOLD PI HOLD"

while I'm pooling before DM

[junior aurora]

well

you don't need PI to overlap the last tick of kb

you just need it for the majority of kb to cap out poison applications

[slate crown]

Sure, but getting it 10 seconds before KB is ready is feelsbad

[junior aurora]

oh yeah that sucks

also what i deal with in my guild lol

just learn to live w/ it

[strange python]

first world problems

[junior aurora]

top meters and priests usually just give you pi

[unreal heath]

in dungeons shouldyou be aiming to keep energy over 50% as much as possible or sending envenoms

[junior aurora]

i had a sub rogue log invalidated in aberrus during a pug from too many pis

despite pi doing nothing to that spec lo

lol

[fallow acorn]

I play a priest as well, I just track all offensive CD's on party frames

well beside them

it's useful for hitting PI right after KB ends on the rogues

THEY GET SO MAD

[warped lily]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[forest notch]

For the current M+ set I assume Mind numbing is probably best non lethal with all the kicks?

[final trench]

is anyone free to give tips on aoe for assassainaation? I feel super underpowered here if its anymore than 3-5 targets in m+

I read the guides.

[real stirrup]

You ever wondered what Smolderon is packing underneath is loins?

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[formal quiver]

this was a dHT run only a 14, am i doing anything obviously wrong? i havent been pooling my energy if i should be also

[icy acorn]

for nymue mythic we hold the second kb for the tree and then dm + kb on nymue after again right?

[slate crown]

Yes

At least that's what I've been doing, your only other option is to hold KB until you get back on Nymue which may sync it back up more with DM on CD but, that's a lot of KB wasted... so I send on add even if it pushes back my DM 10-15 seconds

[mint kindle]

On Gnarlroot MM, do you try to spread rupture on the adds as much as you can?

[outer cairn]

who is one of the echo rogues i can watch against jpc

[slim hamlet]

what does that mean

[olive wagon]

So I use these talents it's the recommended dance sin talents.

But I really would like acrobatic strikes. which one could i give up? is that possible or significant dps loss?

[slim hamlet]

it is big dps loss and there is a no dance build in guides

[olive wagon]

Raid Dance is the name in the wowhead guide.
you have Raid - Dance, Raid - no dance and Raid - bone spike

[warped lily]

What is the difference with 4 pcs??

[slim hamlet]

You legit just listed it

"raid - no dance"

[olive wagon]

oh sorry i missread you message lol my bad

[digital coral]

lol

[olive wagon]

i thought you said there is no dance

[slim hamlet]

but I believe it is like 4.5%-5.5%

[digital coral]

Read that as there is no nodance build

[slim hamlet]

Something like that

At bis

[slate crown]

!wa @charred shard

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slim hamlet]

-3.2% for me right now

[limpid ridge]

Do I grief ppl with my +19 eb or not

[slim hamlet]

But I got no branch which probably boosts dance more

[slate crown]

@gaunt moat @dark token got more comments requesting a dot-only mode so updated the branch aura to have a Simple mode to do just that without you manually doing it

[grand trail]

nymue rewared not bad

[gaunt moat]

i also enlarged the text size, so the dots would be easier to see

to the max

[slate crown]

Didn't mention it but I also added that as a custom option 🙂

Had to map out coords for placing them so they didn't overlap as they get bigger, should scale up reasonably to spread out as you get higher

[latent onyx]

went from bottom DPS in raid on outlaw to top 5 this week on assa, feels good to not be useless

[dark token]

pretty good

belt gang

[icy acorn]

btw with the shortened opener (without rupture) do i rupture in kb then? or after kb

[olive wagon]

I have it the other way around in boss fights XD i am really good in the outlaw rotation compared to assassination. but i just need to improve i guess

[latent onyx]

pressing outlaw buttons while doing mechanics was too chaotic for me haha

assa feels slow motion compared to, like I am in the matrix

[rancid trout]

As a general rule should we mantain our energy above 150, unless on a kingsbane window? This for m+?

[plain mortar]

Anyone reports on if Sin is going to get tuned after fyrrak kill?

[reef rivet]

I've read that assa logs are being inflated by aug buffs not being reattributed to them correctly, is this true? And if so, is it just for Assa or is it widespread and happens to all classes?

[strange python]

none

[olive wagon]

i feel like that could be the case

[slim hamlet]

It is true

[rancid trout]

Also how many ruptures do you guys do in big pulls, should we stay at 5 for the agility buff? Is hard to bleed big packs because they die before I finished up putting bleeds

[strange python]

it's aug buffs, and PI just inflates it too

[slim hamlet]

Augmentations logs are completely fucked right now

[slate crown]

!pooling kind of no. If you have new tier set, no. If you don't, you can but it isn't a huge deal and also you'll get tier eventually

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[spice surge]

Spatter and sanguine yes, but its not as severe as you might expect

Some other classes have it too, but not like every single spec in the entire game

[grand trail]

will put gem into it if vault bad 😄

[slim hamlet]

sudden demise and old 4pc too

demise doesn't matter for raid tho

[brave lark]

while im in my KB window, sometimes at like 7-8 sec my kingsbane just randomly drops

why?

[strange python]

the target dies?

[slim hamlet]

definitely some ui shenanigans

[brave lark]

fr?

[slim hamlet]

it doesn't just go away

[brave lark]

im on a dummy so my target is not dying

[weak crescent]

SMOLDERON WILL NEVER SEE US COMING

[strange python]

KB doesn't just go away so no idea

[slim hamlet]

how did u even get there

lol

[brave lark]

weird, will look into my ui if thats the problem

[slate crown]

If it's on a dummy, unless the dummy has weird reset behavior which I don't know of any that do, it isn't going away, and may be a UI/weakaura problem. Yeah, confirm if it's on the base UI debuffs

[slim hamlet]

Maybe you got a max aura number

[weak crescent]

you can jump off the bridge to a small platform thats connected to the rest xD

[thorn fjord]

Hi friends

[slim hamlet]

Hi Dieslow this is friends

[thorn fjord]

Finally got a chance to smash a ton of keys

Got to 470 IL this morning

[brave lark]

think its just my UI trolling me

[slate crown]

How are you telling that it dropped? If you are using the KB Timeline aura and it randomly dropped, and that's what you used to think that it was dropping, then that's probably a bug I need to investigate

[forest crypt]

with the zoldyck recipe talent, does our active bleeds on the target automatically start doing the bonus damage when the target hits 35% or do we need to reapply a new set

[slate crown]

Automatic

[brave lark]

my KB WA just turns gray, but my target frames arent showing kingsbane on any target

[forest crypt]

thanks!

[brave lark]

i just thought i did smth wrong on assa, and kingsbane falling randomly was a thing. ( picked assa up 30 min ago)

[slate crown]

Nah it doesn't fall off unless it gets dispelled (pvp) or the target dies

[glacial grotto]

are out of melee range weakauras not a thing anymore since the changes?

[slate crown]

yesnt

you can only detect range of spells based on spells in your spellbook now while in combat, not items, so range checking is limited

But for melee range, that can still be done

with just spell in range checks on things you know

The red overlay on those icons is just simple spell in range for that spell. still work in combat

[serene mason]

what to change for acrobatic strike?

tried to find in wowhead guide but there was like nothing

(for raid single target)

[hoary scroll]

Hey i need help. How do i play the kingsbane window in AOE? Do i use fang of knives or always mutilate/ambusH?

[real stirrup]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[indigo sinew]

is there a spreadsheet or something with info on what feint works on in the raid?

[hoary scroll]

yeah i cant find info to kingsbane in aoe window

[solemn mason]

That's the main point of KB?

[warm urchin]

Use mutilate/ambush to keep up caustic spatter on KB target and then fan of knives as generator on 3+ targets

[distant fox]

is it a bug that i cant cast cloak even though i spam it? for multiple seconds?

[real stirrup]

So in the rotation after you combine SD and KB you would apply garrote, envenom, garrote, mutilate, crimson tempest, then go through your other CDS (Shiv, Thistle, Vanish)

then apply your fan of knives plus envenom

[indigo sinew]

!feint

[hoary scroll]

so if caustic spattern is up 10sek after mutilate you use fang of knives in aoe during kingsbane?

[harsh anchor]

If there's 3 or more targets, yes you use FoK regardless if kingsbane is up or not

[hoary scroll]

ah thank you 🙂

[distant fox]

well i have to spam cloak and this macro to activate the spells (tea in this case, SD works fine)
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Thistle Tea
/cast [nomod] Shadow Dance

[acoustic pendant]

In st raid opener do you ever reapply rupture to the target or just garotte > mutilate > envenom?

[rare jackal]

our volcaross kill time snuffed out my third deathmark right as i used it

[harsh anchor]

think you can snapshot NS on it when you vanish KB

[slate crown]

You have an opportunity to reapply it during vanish because it should be entering pandemic at that time. Or you could just envenom, the difference is minor.

[acoustic pendant]

what exactly is pandemic

im a bit new to assa

[lucid rain]

pandemic allows you to refresh dots to 1.3x their maximum duration

so for example, if you reapply a max cp rupture at 8 seconds left of the old one, you will still get the full duration of the new one you applied

which will turn it into a 36 second rupture

[real stirrup]

what's max usually?

30 secs?

[lucid rain]

28

I think...

[acoustic pendant]

ohhh

thats so cool

so tahts were i do my rotation wrong

in the pandemic

i reapply to fast maybe

[lucid rain]

possibly

[real stirrup]

can I refresh it at 28 seconds and get a 1:04 rupture?

xD

[lucid rain]

the most you can ever get is 36.4

after that you waste duration/combo points/energy

[slate crown]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[mighty charm]

tindral is just ST with caustic splatter spec right?

[slate crown]

Yes

[mighty charm]

thanks

[bleak ivy]

wahat are u running for council

shit is weird

[willow kite]

usually standard raid build but +IC -dashing scoundrel

but I haven't done it on mythic

[latent onyx]

no splatter?

[willow kite]

oh spatter ofc

forgot to mention

[finite echo]

splatter is standard, you run splatter in more fights than you dont

[latent onyx]

ye its all I changed but it was my first raid as sin

[willow kite]

yeah, but I did say standard ST build

so you were right to ask

[latent onyx]

if a boss has ads I take splatter

[wild beacon]

When you swap to spatter for the cleave fights in raid, does imp ambush also change to tight spender?

[slate crown]

No, you just swap to spatter

[sick sail]

random question, any of u think assaa rogue will be good season of discovery? its a classic questin so my bad, love assa in retail tho but guildless atm

[junior aurora]

yeah i dont think IC is worth that much on council

[slate crown]

I don't think we can know this atm.

[junior aurora]

if SoD is anything like normal classic, no

you'll play combat swords with new buttons to press

[sick sail]

ok makes sense, ty for the response!!

[void tree]

Hey i’m new to sin is there a good rotation guide out there? It seems way busier than other classes I’ve played

[slate crown]

Yeah, like not having envenom or DP/IP together isn't the reason assa is worse

[latent onyx]

wowhead

[slate crown]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[junior aurora]

i think im gonna play assa in it though

mut/envenom/shiv will be cool to play around with

[slate crown]

I mean I think it'll be neat to see and try out

[sick sail]

yea its nice seeing some retail spells in sod

[slate crown]

I'm still not sure what I'd want to do if I try it

[sick sail]

im either ging rogue r warrior but i love rogue in retail

[junior aurora]

i mean thats all it is, watered down retail classes added to classic lol

[sick sail]

yea lol

[feral mason]

i mean tank rogue is definitely not on retail

unless you want to count the ks incident

[sick sail]

yea def not going tank lmao

[brave lark]

do i keep Crimson tempest up on single target in m+?

[drifting cloud]

no

[slate crown]

I mean i'm considering it, at least being combat and having tank glyphs at the ready if needed for group comp

[bleak ivy]

how to fit IC and scoundrel in my council boss fight

I mean talent tree

[slate crown]

Remove dashing, put it in IC

[real stirrup]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[balmy condor]

do you even want IC on council

seems suspicious

all of the above

[junior aurora]

yeah IC can't be getting good uptime on council

[slate crown]

It seems like a really common pickup on WCL, and the swap that's made is trading dashing for it

Like, 97% top logs common

[balmy condor]

sounds like 97% of top logs are suspicious

[bleak ivy]

can u show me a quick build for council

[slate crown]

[upper jolt]

how bad is it for ilvl 444 to hold around 50-60k in m+ 10-12 key level

[junior pulsar]

Had something weird happen, for some reason my ui/setup no longer shows commas. Have searched trough it all. Anyone know where to change it back. My dmg numbers also changed

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[junior pulsar]

My gold aswell. Normally where was a comma

[bleak ivy]

thats good?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[bleak ivy]

alright

[balmy condor]

probably what I'm gonna end up playing

[bleak ivy]

well I topped as IC too but ig thats just padding

[balmy condor]

carnage during testing felt awful

carnage during normal and heroic felt awful

unless there's some secret strat to stack the bosses

it's basically just a 2 target fight

and I ain't taking carnage for 2 target

that's troll

[slim hamlet]

There is a secret strat

but it's hyper omega cringe strat that legit no one does

[slate crown]

For me any version of that fight, regardless of my talents, feels awful. But, I'm also not in an organized group so that's probably why

[hushed barn]

its simple. you just convince yourself its a ST fight and just measure yourself by ST metrics 🙂

[slim hamlet]

That fight is such a joke

kills are 6-7 mins and it has 10 min enrage

legit go afk and do mechanics and oneshot it

[steel ridge]

That would be low even in season 1

[slim hamlet]

didn't have to do him like that

[upper jolt]

damn

i just came back to the game after a really long break and i struggle to do damage

[sage cosmos]

What's the argument for shadow dance first instead of vanish in KB windows? 🙂

[slim hamlet]

Because vanish is 2 min and dance is 1 min

[winter vapor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[mortal elm]

Is idol simming right? I see everyone use branch + timeglass i do have a 489 idol and it beats it on sims just curious if its other sdont have or because its actually worse

[gusty mirage]

if the tanks stack 2 of the bosses yeah, but most tanks are pretty bad at it

[junior aurora]

you shadow dance before kingsbane to snapshot the kingsbane initial hit

and you can macro it together

[balmy condor]

it's pretty shit

[steel ridge]

Sugarcoating is for paladins, this is ravenholdt!

[devout prism]

What build are you running?

[balmy condor]

I can't believe carnage is that good on 2 target

[mortal elm]

Yeah, starting to feel that now it did 2mil only on our Nymue kill which was about 7 mins

[balmy condor]

might need to cook this

[gusty mirage]

ngl I'm not actually sold on it as actual more damage

[finite echo]

that much better than dashing though right, for context

[gusty mirage]

because the uptime you actually get on two bosses is sketch af

[finite echo]

its not like the talent is giga cracked, just better than dashing

[balmy condor]

well yeah but you drop dashing anyway

so who cares

[finite echo]

as long as bear is on cleave for your 1 minute cd's then that's all that matters

[sage cosmos]

I kinda figured the longer "stealth" would be more dmg

[finite echo]

like 2 or 3 gcds every minute

[grim tangle]

I just yelled at the tanks whenever the bear wasn't on another boss

[grand quarry]

I'm having trouble getting good value with kb in dungeons because mob packs die too fast, do I just apply garrotes and go straight into it? Or how do people deal with it that isn't "do higher keys"

[junior aurora]

you aren't going to like the answer

[balmy condor]

"do higher keys" is how people deal with it

[grand quarry]

Lmao guess I'll wait till fort to bother with it

[slim hamlet]

It doesnt even help

[hushed barn]

i just dropped splatter and went internal and said KB might get 2 seconds off, but im still pumping

[junior aurora]

yeah fort on lower keys still

[devout prism]

In lower keys where things die a bit faster it might be hard to set up all the things you need to do well, but that build does have some ways to counter that a bit, try to reread the AoE openers in the faq guides and also about how caustic splatter and Indiscriminate Carnage works, in tandem with Arterial Precision and Sudden Demise

[slim hamlet]

prio gets blown up in any key

[slate crown]

You pick a target that's going to waste it least and be sad. Or you skip using KB altogether and hold it until there is a mob that justifies it, and just focus on bleeds. You can do a decent amount of damage if your focus is bleed spread and caustic envenoms with 4pc

[junior aurora]

you might get 2 more ticks of kingsbane lol

[grand quarry]

That requires me to actually be getting tier

[slate crown]

I mean I don't have tier either

[grand quarry]

Ok I'll just focus on bleeds if there isn't a prio target or mini boss

[slate crown]

and it still can feel fine to just focus on bleeds

[bleak ivy]

is this aight im ass at this fight

[grand quarry]

Or I can play with shitters (me included)

[unique sorrel]

the arterial build at least FEELS a lot better in sub-17s

[harsh anchor]

number purple looks aight to me

[bleak ivy]

thats barely making it

isnt 80 when u get purple

xd

[unique sorrel]

but i rarely go the DTB build unless im running with guildies who i know are gonna pull shit sanely

[harsh anchor]

That's all RL look at anyway right

[distant fox]

cloak of shadows not castable, anyone had this issue? mostlsy doesnt work when i want to avoid dmg even when i spam the button multiple seconds and sometimes tea doesnt work of global that well. like something is holding it back

[grim tangle]

cloak is a crutch

[distant fox]

what does that mean

if i fat finger cloak it instantly casts like it isnt on gcd

[lucid rain]

75

[real stirrup]

Liquid hit a 1.7% xD

it's pretty close

[mortal elm]

Does WF fall under the "external buffs" in Wlogs out of curiousity?

[heady drum]

man assa feels so-so this week in m+. are you guys staying assa or offspeccing?

[junior aurora]

no

i think external buffs means PI

and the paladin shit

[little moth]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[distant fox]

no i enjoy assa even this weeek but my healer dont

[junior aurora]

yeah assa still feels strong this week

if it feels weak you might be doing keys that are too low

[upper jolt]

i will try to work on the rotation and i hope it improves it because it really feels like after the burst the damage just tanks from like 120k or even higher to 60-70k at best

[acoustic pendant]

when do i use ashes of embersoul in kingsbane ?

with 7 seconds left ?

[balmy condor]

11

[acoustic pendant]

ty

[slim hamlet]

5th helmet to the collection

[gusty mirage]

if you think about it, you could break down the helmet and make a stick out of it

and pretend its a branch

[slate crown]

just wear them all 5head

one for each head

[junior aurora]

its a leather helmet

not a wooden helmet

[fast hill]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slim hamlet]

^

smh oxi

[gusty mirage]

you can make a stick out of leather

[slim hamlet]

90% chance of getting one by now

Surely next run

[junior aurora]

that is how probability works

i for one think you have a 50% chance

you're either gonna get it or you aren't

[hushed barn]

you really should just be running the arterial shock build and maintaining bleeds

[slim hamlet]

that is fake

[hushed barn]

just doing that will give you easy dps

[slim hamlet]

0% chance, either you don't get it or

[hushed barn]

go in, garrote untill everyone is tagged, then rupture till everyone is taged, pop a CT, and watch stuff die

[winter vapor]

Smolderon HC, we holding Cd's for intermission?

[twilit parcel]

What's most effective for M+ ? Outlaw or Assa?

[slim hamlet]

the one you have must fun on

They are very close

[unique sorrel]

or the one youre better at

[slim hamlet]

And do different things better than the other

[upper jolt]

dumb question but what is CT?

[serene mason]

for me it feels like assa is getting better with higher keys

[hushed barn]

crimson tempest

[upper jolt]

ok ok

[unique sorrel]

all i know is i tried one outlaw key and my brain died

[upper jolt]

trying it next mythic

[unique sorrel]

so it was straight back to assa

[upper jolt]

also for poison is it deadly poison or instant?

[hushed barn]

and make sure you are using the shock build

always deadly

over instant

[twilit parcel]

I keep trying but I'm constantly just getting demolished by BM Hunts / DHs, I assume this is normal for the time being ?

[sour elm]

Laws damage profile fits into m+ a lot better. Sin can work for sure but you will get better results with law.

[slim hamlet]

I think outlaw is better for tyran and sin better for fortified

[hushed barn]

they frontload and kill stuff before we can fully ramp

[slim hamlet]

U get full value on fortified for sin and outlaw has that extra survivability for oneshots on tyran

[hushed barn]

so yeah, its fairly normal

[upper jolt]

ok i hope i wont suck too much

🫡

ty for the help

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-salute-gif-24255323

[hushed barn]

i usually just say fuck the first pull in a DH BM comp and use my shit on the second

[balmy condor]

wait council is actually just a 2 target fight I'm mapping the uptimes/caustics to model the fight

and it's legit just always 2 target

[thorny aurora]

hey could someone help me with cd usage on fyrakk hc?
we killed it tonight but my deathmark comes off cd in the middle of the shield / soak bubbles phase so imo it's not worth to use them there (won't have a full deathmark before he flies off)

when would i use cds again?

[finite echo]

yea bear should always be on a non moving boss

[balmy condor]

yeah that's not what I mean

[tall atlas]

who has this kingsbane tracker thing

[marble pebble]

is wowanalyzer up to date for me to dump a log in there to find out what I'm doing wrong?

[slate crown]

!wa in my profile

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[vivid venture]

What is pooling practice?

[normal mist]

sometimes nothing drops

and sometimes...

[vivid venture]

in the nick of time

op

grats

[slate crown]

!pooling See video and guide link for details

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[vivid venture]

ty

[marble pebble]

Is there a place for me to upload logs for review to know what I'm doing wrong?

[balmy condor]

no

[proper forum]

Try wowanalyser

[balmy condor]

not updated

[oak tartan]

@marble pebble I asked this earlier with no luck. If you find out lemme know lol

[marble pebble]

I just started assass and feel like I'm probably doing a few things wrong lol. Not sure if people here do log review

[fierce sigil]

does the overall in M+ and my St rise by a big amount when i get 2 set or 4 set of the new TSet? ATM i only have 4 Set of the old set

[balmy condor]

mostly cause the ilvl

[oak tartan]

@marble pebble I’ve been reviewing timelines from top logs.

[fierce sigil]

i am ilvl 454 right now..

[old halo]

anyone else having hard time keeping up in M+, seems like everything dies to quickly to even get a kingsbane off?

[junior aurora]

do higher keys

[oak tartan]

Do higher keys

[old halo]

i hear that, only doing 18-19s atm

[eternal heath]

Finally got my dreaming of wyrms achieve lol

[slate crown]

Just don't pop cds on first pull

offset your cd usage from everyone else

[real beacon]

can someone explain to me how kingsbane works? and what is it about extending its duration

[safe patrol]

our raid want me and the other sin rogue to hard swap to spears on igira mythic, thats not the way right? got to be other options to get them killed better

[junior aurora]

place spears closer to boss and spatter them down

[real stirrup]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[old halo]

https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9

[slate crown]

Kingsbane doesn't extend duration, it is 14 seconds. Any poison applied while KB is applied increases the damage of that KB's ticks by 20%, this stacks up to 99 stacks*

[finite echo]

they probably dont understand how sin damage works. you spatter them

[slate crown]

The goal, therefore, is to maximize your nature damage and poison applications during the duration of Kingsbane, and overlapping all possible damage amps with it

[real beacon]

so i apply poisons

click kingsbane

and apply them again?

[slate crown]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[slate crown]

if you want to see the full opener, it is structured around optimizing the damage of kingsbane

[oak tartan]

Do you spam envenom in its window? I always have like 5 back to back full ones

[real beacon]

but thanks for that

[flint tusk]

yes

[slate crown]

You don't specifically spam envenom, you just fill every GCD, prioritizing keeping the envenom buff up on yourself, and rupturing if it's falling off. This often results in spamming Envenom, you don't try to prolong the buff for chaining like you do outside of kingsbane.

[marble pebble]

is the aterial shock build currently the best one for mythic +?

[digital wind]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[oak tartan]

@slate crown thanks. Which brings me one more question. I think I know now but the goal is to chain envenoms for uptime rather than overlap. Explains my downtimes with low energy and nothing to do.

That is a question I promise lol

[digital wind]

what is the command to analyze my logs pls 🙂 ?

[slate crown]

No, all the ones on wowhead are competitive. You should play the one you like the most.

[balmy condor]

there is none

[slate crown]

!pooling Outside of kingsbane, yes. you try to chain the envenom buff

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[digital wind]

ah ok rip 😦 thx

[oak tartan]

@prisma monolith my hero

[balmy condor]

pinging a bot

kinda weird

[slate crown]

Nyan Moroes is nothing without @balmy condor

[oak tartan]

I’m kinda weird

[balmy condor]

nyan moroes is actually nothing without fuu

I just put bot commands into a spreadsheet

[distant fox]

nhc first boss 2 pis, with augmentation

[balmy condor]

is nhc

normal

or heroic

[slate crown]

Konigsmord

[balmy condor]

yeah that's all german

that I can read fine

[junior aurora]

16% spritzer damage

[balmy condor]

but what the fuck is nhc

[dark token]

spritzer

[distant fox]

non heroic: normal

[balmy condor]

?????????????????????

[strange python]

dang spritzer be poppin off

[balmy condor]

are they okay in europe

what

[distant fox]

yo ucan read german? warum zur hölle schreib ich dann in englisch. ffs

[lucid silo]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[junior aurora]

gesundheit

[balmy condor]

bist halt nen penner

[distant fox]

danke+

[balmy condor]

gerne

[dark token]

german word for poison is gift?

[balmy condor]

yeh

pronounced exactly the same

[distant fox]

magst du mich nicht 😦

[crisp pine]

really makes you think doesn't it

[junior aurora]

da

[dark token]

brings a whole new meaning to christmas gifts

[arctic hare]

Heh, hell yeah

[balmy condor]

mir gefallen all leute genau gleich, nahmlich gar nicht

[crisp pine]

The gift of life

[distant fox]

ja gut dann^^

[balmy condor]

ist ehr konzept

[chilly canopy]

most sanest sin rogue

[crisp pine]

german empire claiming ravenholdt as we speak

[balmy condor]

there's always been a huge german speaking community in ravenholdt

[crisp pine]

germany full of rogues huh

not surprised

[balmy condor]

germany kinda full of wow players in general tbh

[chilly canopy]

we like to gift afterall

[eternal heath]

Same for a couple PoE communities I have been in too

[distant fox]

why do you speak german, yre you from there?

[balmy condor]

my youtube viewership is kinda hilarious, cause it tells me where people are watching from

and it's like

[junior aurora]

whispyr is britain right

[balmy condor]

america -> germany -> brazil

and then random EU countries -> canada

[junior aurora]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[junior aurora]

tell me this man isn't a colonizer

[gloomy trellis]

parsed a 2 a 3 and a 1 tonight boys

crushed it

[balmy condor]

my mom is austrian, my dad is german

I'm american

[oak tartan]

Government agent

[distant fox]

such an abomination

❤️

[balmy condor]

when I was a baby, it was a nightmare getting through border control when we went to germany to visit my grandparents

cause the three of us would roll up

and each put down a different passport

well, I was like 4

so my dad put down my passport

but the agent just kinda got stunlocked IRL

[distant fox]

lol

so that show you got a rogue, stealth by and cc lock?

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

@blazing jewel

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/733609658912210986/1178462660224893099/image.png?ex=65763be0&is=6563c6e0&hm=3697994f49f2904bd2aeae2365f7eefeed5c1a88754b6cd9cb4b00af627ec6ea&=

[oak sky]

Kyleeee

[keen spruce]

2nd place means we're basically the same rite

[balmy condor]

rogue in skyhold

kinda sus

[twilit parcel]

What does Timestrike even do ?

[balmy condor]

it duplicates a portion of your damage 3 seconds later

like a delayed multistrike

[bleak ivy]

why is it showing on details my dps was 160k and on warcraft logs its on 130k

is this some aug evoker shit

[balmy condor]

what content did you do

m+?

[bleak ivy]

nyume

[real beacon]

when do i use shiv besides opener?

[balmy condor]

yeh that's aug then

[balmy condor]

every min for kingsbane

[real beacon]

ty

[gusty mirage]

stormrage in shambles

[upper jolt]

@slim hamletit already went up by a bit (13 key)

[keen spruce]

i'm sayin

[upper jolt]

some pulls i managed over 150k

[coral turret]

Hi everyone, what it the way of making Mutilate and Ambush a one button, so when Blindside procs or you are invisible then Ambush is casted? I was thinkin it's not possible but watching RWF they are using it 🙂

[balmy condor]

blindside does it automatically

[coral turret]

maybe anyone here is familiar with this

[balmy condor]

if you're in stealth just put ambush on your stealth bar in place of mutilate

[coral turret]

wdym?

[balmy condor]

when you get a blindside proc

your mutilate turns into ambuh

that's just how the game works

[distant fox]

ist es ein fehler bei mir/addons oder gibt es stellen wo man cloak nicht ziehen kann? oder sind es vielleicht addon bugs/fehler die da mich blocken

[real beacon]

what i need to spend combopoints when i have all dots on target? spam envenom or rupture?

[slim hamlet]

Poggies

[swift magnet]

what's the best pops of fire balls to soak on Larodar MM to maximize dps? like 2 and 4?

[static hedge]

How do yall handle adds in p2 on fyrakk as sin? Do you just sit on the two big adds until they’re down? Or spread dots to as many as you can?

[slim hamlet]

Ja ich agree

[balmy condor]

probably addon bugs, also just because I speak german, the chat is still english

[distant fox]

thx, was easier, haveto get up in 4h yey. my braind is melting

[balmy condor]

???????? why would you spam a bleed

[balmy condor]

you crank the big adds and caustic takes care of it

[coral turret]

did they add this in this patch? because in Aberrus I remember that after using Mutilate on Blindside proc Blindside was still up

[balmy condor]

yese

[coral turret]

but now it really disappear

ah, ok, thanks 🙂

[static hedge]

Once big adds are down, do you just crank 1 add at a time after that with the little ones?

[coral turret]

that makes it much easier

[static hedge]

Or spread bleeds

[balmy condor]

once the big adds are down the small adds should be already low, so you would just envenom and finish them off

you'd only ever spread bleeds if they're gonna live like 15 seconds

and if they're gonna live another 15 seconds you giga fucked up

[static hedge]

Thanks homie

[balmy condor]

np

[glacial grotto]

does someone have that withered bark triangle picture thing

[cunning needle]

https://wago.io/4Q2L1LNd5

there's that?

[coral turret]

thanks mate 😄 I haven't seen it because of macro 😄 it even changes the icon 😄

[thorny pond]

Flaming cowl with Kazakk neck have any value?

[balmy condor]

pin

kazzak neck succ

[thorny pond]

Oh damn, been mobile and pins aren’t loading. Was told it was gaming

[cunning needle]

it is for outlaw

[balmy condor]

it's gaming on outlaw

but outlaw has like 35% vers

[cunning needle]

neck=,id=150426,ilevel=463,gem_id=192932/192932/192932,bonus_id=8782

Sim yourself when you get home with this

[real beacon]

in shadow dance i spam ambush or ambush and use combo on envenom?

[thorny pond]

Ty

[balmy condor]

kazzak neck fully blinged out is equal to around a 472

[thorny aurora]

does that make sense that raidbots is making me gem haste/vers and put a buttload more of vers on my gear? could it be because i have the cataclysmic signet brand?

[balmy condor]

makes sense yep

[sullen wyvern]

b

[cunning needle]

c

[balmy condor]

d

[junior aurora]

e

[novel horizon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

The picture is from @oak tangle I think.

[arctic hare]

welp, echo won

[lucid rain]

damn, really?

[arctic hare]

Yep

[balmy condor]

ye

[lucid rain]

the comeback

[arctic hare]

The average ilvl was 479.8

[balmy condor]

[arctic hare]

and the number of pulls was 344. and holy shit, that lego is OUT!

[grand trail]

echo beat system again

[balmy condor]

professional ball licker sapp has returned

gratz

[arctic hare]

Apparently,

When they won it, the cheers shook the entire venue

[grand trail]

NA cry

like in every esport game

[crisp pine]

So we vanish into kingsbane now that echo won?

[balmy condor]

surely

[arctic hare]

lmao

[balmy condor]

rewriting the guide currently to concede

[slate crown]

???????????????????

[dull cloak]

dunno about you imma trust the world first rogue

[lucid rain]

imagine telling rank 1 rogue he's playing wrong

smh

[balmy condor]

yeah

I only tell the rank 3 and 4 rogues they're playing wrong

fucking loser I am

[lucid rain]

[crisp pine]

Whispyr is the rank 1 rogue in my heart

[balmy condor]

and rank 5 technically

[deft vault]

so have they said what the lego do?

[balmy condor]

now that method is clear third

[crisp pine]

I feel like the ranking system in my heart is more prestigious tho

[odd dew]

how manys dungeons did it take youguys to get a nick of time

[balmy condor]

between 2 and 70

[crisp pine]

Havent dropped one in 40 runs yet

[deft vault]

took me 40 for both

[crisp pine]

tbh not sure if I've even gotten one item from that dungeon at all

lots of gold tho

[deft vault]

i ran 4 fall with another rogue out of the 40 and 3 dropped in 4 runs

[crisp pine]

I would fucking kill someone for 53 gold ngl

[junior aurora]

gotta say though, mythic fyrakk adds gotta feel so good with caustic spatter

[slim hamlet]

Hmm

Adventurer class

[royal lantern]

adventurer poops up once in a while

its basicaly what a character is during character creation and has no class asinged yet

[limber lion]

It's just the default before you get to choose any spec

Yep

[restive falcon]

we seeing a 5% nerf tuesday?

[green flame]

hellloo

we have any stat cap?

[royal lantern]

10%

maybe 20%

80% even

panic NOW

[lucid rain]

sell sell sell!

[outer cairn]

cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria

[lucid rain]

sir that's called unholy frenzy now

(blood dk ability got renamed for wrath classic)

[gusty mirage]

I'll take an 80% nerf if it means I have to stop answering certain questions

[outer cairn]

i was quoting ghostbusters. no one got it

[chilly marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[junior aurora]

they'll just change

"do you think assa gets buffed"

[gusty mirage]

they'll also decline by about 80%

it'll be nice

[fallen forge]

which poisons do i apply for m+

[earnest remnant]

how about this question, are you a raccoon or a dog person?

[gusty mirage]

mayonnaise inside your grilled cheese sandwich > amp > deadly > you're a sick fuck

[outer cairn]

However, these will stay "What poisons do we use?" How do I macro ambush with mutilate? When do I use branch?

[gusty mirage]

raccoons are just smol pandas

and pandas are bis

https://tenor.com/view/panda-huahua-gif-1476795351732195837

[fallen forge]

at least i got the first step ready

[gusty mirage]

absolute gamer

[odd dew]

will trade me kidneys for daggers please help

[lucid rain]

I see through you

then you threaten the guy to give your kidney back with the knife he gave you

[outer cairn]

No no no. It's peanut butter outside, chocolate inside. Butter inside, cheese outside.

[gusty mirage]

[odd dew]

oxi can you do a fall with em and trade me a dagger if you getit

❤️

[fallen forge]

we have a new one

[gray crest]

I already got him to run a few falls with me and im pretty sure hed rather shoot himself than do that again

[outer cairn]

only one way to make a grilled charlie

[gusty mirage]

homie, I spent my time in the mines

[odd dew]

so is it your turn to return the favour roujin

[gray crest]

he was returning my favor last tier

[odd dew]

I want to get offmr bones wild ride

[fallen forge]

i'll make u my sandwich if u give me the dagger

[grand trail]

branch vs embersould explained https://clips.twitch.tv/QuaintArborealStrawberryTinyFace-uxyTKm3Gby1BQgBR

[outer cairn]

Everytime I finish fall, I'm consistently reminded of the scene from Prince of Persia with Jake Gyllenhal

[gusty mirage]

brother

why did you even post this here

who's even talking about branch

[grand trail]

there was lot of disccusion in past days about it

wdym?

[dark token]

James also said something about ashes compressing ur bust dmg window more to fit into Aug buffs better

[gusty mirage]

wdym what do I mean

[dark token]

So it's actually more raid DMG if ur getting PI and augged

[gusty mirage]

you literally just posted a twitch clip out of nowhere

[grand trail]

^_^

[grand trail]

make sense

[wanton vine]

dis not what the discord is about?

[grand trail]

propabnly not anymore

[balmy condor]

"NOT ANYMORE"

???????

is this reddit

[grand trail]

sorry english not my first language or second or third

[rare jackal]

maybe this noob needs to l2p?

[near valley]

Yes you're correct

[gray crest]

I dont see a comment saying oxi is ruining this discord so it def is not reddit

[junior aurora]

did you miss the part where he said "in this type of progress"

[near valley]

SIN chat is for shitposting

[junior aurora]

who in this discord is doing that type of progress

[balmy condor]

when has this discord ever been about just rando dropping twitch clips

[near valley]

Drop all you're clips and keep then away from Outlaw

[balmy condor]

[near valley]

Where serious business happens

[wanton vine]

whats wrong with that

[grand trail]

there was disccusion about why all rogues on progress playing other than top simming trinket by choice, so i asked about it and share it here

thats all

you can delete the clip

[gusty mirage]

I'm not going to delete it, but it just derailed an entire conversation

[grand trail]

i know that people wanted to know so i asked directly

[spare flame]

it's an interesting insight from a rogue at the peak of mythic progression?

[balmy condor]

all the blue names ai ai ai

time to close discord

[wanton vine]

lmao

[balmy condor]

everyone coming out of the woodwork

[gusty mirage]

Okay, and if I posted a link to yoda's sin guide randomly while people were discussing the trinket choices. Would that be okay?

[balmy condor]

like termites

[cunning needle]

we're migrating whispyr

[spare flame]

Wouldnt bother me frankly

[rare jackal]

i missed the discusison, but it depends on the context no?

[gusty mirage]

I'm curious why people think me questioning him posting the link in the middle of another conversation means I have something against the link itself

[wanton vine]

use threads

[gusty mirage]

Use threads for what

[hushed barn]

Stitching

[wanton vine]

if you dont want conversations to get derailed

[jaunty violet]

any weak aura or platers that can help me know if the adds have a debuff?

[gusty mirage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gusty mirage]

cev or whispyr's platers are good

[rare jackal]

why youre fucking wrong, a thread 🧵 (1/287)

[jaunty violet]

ty

[junior aurora]

damn out for blood

[gusty mirage]

Thanks, I'll take your two cents into consideration the next time I type anything

[serene tusk]

hello, for council, do you guys go around each boss spreading bleeds or just focus on one?

new to assa

[wanton vine]

you're gettin worked up over someone posting a twitch clip :)))

[gusty mirage]

I'm not worked up actually, it seems you were upset that I called him out that you decided to come out of the woodworks to attack me for saying something

[true basalt]

here

take a red one

[wanton vine]

no, wasnt upset at all, it just seemed weird to call someone out for trying to start a discussion on another topic

[gusty mirage]

lol

Sure thing champ

[manic quartz]

what color am i

oh red

[balmy condor]

Amen

[grim jay]

the nerf will be to just remake PI into giving the priest haste on their main cd instead of being able to give it to someone. every problem solved

[junior aurora]

whispyr would prefer no names

[near valley]

I'll work you up in a second UwU

[charred mango]

hey guys still learning assa, in m+ do we care to use crimson tempest in st boss fights or only with 2+ targets?

[junior aurora]

make it a lot easier for him lol

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

4+

[charred mango]

ty whispyr

[slate crown]

I found the place to change my name color I think

[shut canopy]

color test

[slate crown]

Yah success

[shut canopy]

shit.

[true basalt]

guys you smoked too many kingsbanes, getting worked up by this, i cant believe you're still talking about that twitch clip

So to do you a favor, imma ask a dumb question to change the subject:

How do i deal damage outside burst windows, i do something wrong because it goes down way too much. I pool evenom (i got 4set), do i also use a charge of shiv sometimes in between burst windows?

[strange python]

is it called #welcome

[slate crown]

It is, indeed, called welcome.

[strange python]

Have you read and understand the rotational priority?

and no, you use shiv for kingsbane

[true basalt]

i think i'm reading it everyday tbh, i still feel like im doing something wrong

[strange python]

you want people to guess or?

[cunning needle]

80% of your damage comes from your burst window

so dont worry about it

[final laurel]

whenever i click my branch

[true basalt]

its my healer arse not knowing how to dps

[final laurel]

it takes me out of vanish

and negates my subterfuge talent

is that a bug or

[cunning needle]

yes trinkets do that

mydas will do that as well

[strange python]

you wanna hit it with Deathmark

BEFORE you dance

[final laurel]

oh

branch deathmark shiv

ok

[slim hamlet]

problem?

[strange python]

I heard oxi needed worked up

so i came

[signal wren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316592298366599179/1178486751052955698/image.png?ex=65765250&is=6563dd50&hm=6da08dbccfd944b288afb0e69348a9c4373869b3d8daa40bd453429fc59d7b2d&

blood mallet seems a little off

sandglass seems like my bis trinket in single and aoe according to raidbots at least

and i didnt even know it

was about to trade it

[strange python]

bloodmallet isn't off

you just gotta udnerstand what it's simming

[versed mica]

Are you a low haste gamer?

[signal wren]

ish

[spice surge]

Youre doing it with gearcompare instead of topgear which means youre missing combos like signet brand+branch

[slim hamlet]

Bloodmallet is with bis gear

[versed mica]

Low haste might make it better then other trinketa

[signal wren]

like 15%

[manic quartz]

seems about right M. Gnarl

[signal wren]

i have almost full bis gear tho

minus 1 of my rings

which if i had it

[slim hamlet]

what does this mean?

[signal wren]

i would be a semi high haste gamer

[slim hamlet]

you are 471??

[spice surge]

He didnt sim signet+branch

[signal wren]

yea

[slim hamlet]

oh I see, didn't see that was randomly slot 1

[drifting cloud]

full bis at 471, not sure about that one

[signal wren]

oh shit

yea i fucked the bran up in that screen shot

but i re simmed it

it was still a dps loss

by .7%

[slim hamlet]

can u link the sim

[wild birch]

What is considered a good envenom uptime?

[odd sierra]

Anyone have a good Kingbane tea/vanish weakaura?

[strange python]

95%

[signal wren]

.4%*

oops wait i was on m+ build that mightve skewed it slightly

[pliant remnant]

https://wago.io/8TVRJuKZ0