assassination

[quiet oar]

Ok poser

Gz

[steel spire]

All hail duck

[fickle siren]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[fallen forge]

go back to keys

also what kinda overalls are yall hitting in m+

[subtle tundra]

wished my guildmates werent cringe and played for fun

[quiet oar]

Shmeeps is for Sure pugging

[lapis mirage]

really loving assa life but it seems that every pug tank is bending over backwards to chain pulls together. Even when there's miles between mobs. I'm thinking it is some sort of tank conspiracy against us?

[oak tangle]

gnarlroot normal lol

[flint tusk]

That’s what dance is for.

[quiet oar]

Dont summon whisp with this

[oak tangle]

we larodar pumping

[quiet oar]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[flint tusk]

Wish the DHs in my guild knew how to play the basic bitch class and do that sorta damage…

[midnight atlas]

thanks moroes, i was blaming my tank for chainpulling, good thing i got shadowmeld

[lapis mirage]

I understand this is a controversial topic lmao

[flint tusk]

Imagine not playing nelf am i right.

[tropic tundra]

They have bis leather armor fit

[lime crypt]

!Wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cunning basin]

If your tank is chain pulling just simply continue to do damage anyways

Me when restealth:
Me when no restealth:

[lime crypt]

is anybody using luxthos weakaura to play assa?

[plain moon]

This is acc interesting. Is this for just during pooling phase or just in general over a whole fight?

[icy iron]

i have a great gnarlroot log on thur 😄 If u delay kingsbane by i think ... 7/8 seconds, u get the last 2 BIG spatters of kingsbane on all the adds.

[lapis mirage]

well allright I guess this is a 'me' problem not a 'us' problem and I shall rectify my ways

[cursive mango]

how should I sim for dungeon upgrades? 5min 5targets or does anybody recommend dungeon slice sim?

[snow kindle]

But then you miss the dmg amp

[balmy condor]

In general

[icy iron]

Mostly talking about parsing

[strange python]

guys i cant find it in the guide from whispyr

where is the pandemic explained again ?

[ornate lake]

YouTube

[strange python]

oh ...

ty ! 😄

[snow kindle]

Me too

[glossy mesa]

is it worth getting 2set on assa ? or is it not much

[ornate lake]

Sim it for most accurate answer

[upper spear]

im stuck on something. My Envenoms arent hitting for shit. I looked at about 6 random logs of rogues who parsed well with similar ilvl as me. No Aug, no PI. Volocros so only ST. not sure what is going wrong here. you will see a similar number of casts but a massive difference in cast average.

me -- https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w4t9zKh2a1CZDLp7#fight=53&type=damage-done&source=28&start=5827363&end=5868321
random example -- https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qH6f4DYahcRWvPdb#fight=31&type=damage-done&source=174&start=24122356&end=24164053

isolated to 1st 40 seconds during Hero

[subtle tundra]

you dont have 4pc

ok 2nd ss is ducked but you get me\

[upper spear]

98k env to 220k average because of 4pc?

[ancient kraken]

Yes

[snow kindle]

It kinda adds a new ability to envenoms

That does even more on ST

[subtle tundra]

that + rng

and yes it does

[plain moon]

Maybe the answer to this is just so small who cares. But there’s times in fights where ur outside of cooldowns but still have moments of super high energy income to where we end up sending envenoms a bit quicker since it’s just better to not overcap. I wonder if it’s better in these situations to send at 5+

[upper spear]

well i have 4pc now... i guess we'll see next week 😅

[balmy condor]

It’s equal

[ancient kraken]

I mean you can see in log already. It’s 1,2 to 950

[plain moon]

Wouldn’t the sim that does 5+ over the whole fight end up dropping chains a lot more?

[kind jacinth]

noob question, say i have crit/mastery legs, when i use it to make tier set, the stats change to cit/vers, is it normal ? so that means we will have crit/vers *4x as our tier piece ?

[ancient kraken]

We don’t play leg tier

The off piece was kinda bis

And yes stat change to tier stats

[kind jacinth]

can you please explain this (sorry im dumb)

[ancient kraken]

You convert leg item to the tier item

So you get the tier item instead meaning it also has the tier stats on it

We play head/hands/chest/shoulder set

And legs normal item

Crit mastery is best to get in that slot

[orchid pewter]

Big leech pants from fall are also nice

[snow kindle]

Just sim it the pants can be good

Better usually tbh

[olive wagon]

I don't understand Assassination should be this good in raid. I have loot spec assassination last patch and even now but in outlaw raid sim my Outlaw does like 6k more damage when using the old set instead of 2piece of new set while it's 441 instead of 463.

Also in practice i notice im doing better dps in outlaw in the raid

[vestal wren]

old outlaw set is good

[kind jacinth]

so according to my understanding, head(crit/vers), hands(crit/vers), chest(crit/vers) and shoulders (crit/vers)...everything else=crit/mastery...so this the breakdown ?

[vestal wren]

i think you overestimate the impact of specific stats on gear irusty

[snow kindle]

Nah man you just want to get 4p tier and go from there

[olive wagon]

so thats the reason then yeah.. has to be.

[vestal wren]

give me a second to search something up for you

this

i made this graphic quickly in a recent discussion

it shows how much of each stat a optimized gear set would use

[kind jacinth]

no no , i understood what you are saying, get 4p tier set, then go for crit on others

[vestal wren]

relative to the highest amount used.

if you look at it, you see that all stats are almost equal

ofc this is not 100% representative of your current gear set

[strange python]

new KB bar °^°

[vestal wren]

but shows well that stats are less important than you might think

as always, you might use a sim, if you haven't crafted the gear, there is a text file pinned in #tc-research which allows you to copy/paste crafted pieces to top gear

[vestal wren]

looks fancy

[tender osprey]

Are those a package ?

[strange python]

yes

[tender osprey]

Which one?

[vestal wren]

smh not linking the wago link

[cedar dagger]

yoo

anything i can do better??

stat wise

[oak tangle]

timestrike

[strange python]

one second

[cedar dagger]

ikr xD

[strange python]

just uploading the wago link

[cedar dagger]

But I only sim 150k dps or so

idk what im doing wrong xd

[oak tangle]

yew finally 4 pc

[subtle tundra]

kwak

[oak tangle]

we ready to game

[quiet oar]

Hey no cosplaying shmeeps

[strange python]

why is my wago io profile permaprivate

[keen spruce]

[strange python]

got it o/

[subtle tundra]

he lets me

right?

[ancient kraken]

Ghosted

[strange python]

https://wago.io/f02SkcXHd @vestal wren

[tender osprey]

Bless, gonna try it out later

[strange python]

:3

tell me when stuff is not working

[limber lion]

This is a great pic to show how little they matter

No big spikes anywhere

[arctic hare]

All of the stats lmao

[umbral summit]

Talents? Link sim, I have 13 less ilvl than you, only 2pc and 441 weapon/Nelth trinket and I sim 10k higher

[reef frigate]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lavish isle]

Nick of Times really has 0,3% drop chance ?

[strong wing]

How do we get to blasted lands from valdrakken

[subtle tundra]

based on my experience, yes!

[lavish isle]

Gg then, dropped on second try 😂

[limber lion]

It's the same drop rate as any other item from the dungeon

[fallen forge]

so clearly we go 0 mastery 0 vers

[limber lion]

First you have a chance of getting an item based on the key level

then it rolls one item from the pool of all items

[lavish isle]

Kk ty

[keen spruce]

so in anything 20 and lower

[strange python]

Hi, can someone explain to me those colours on kingsbane aura?

[keen spruce]

there's 2 pieces of loot

so that's a 40% chance to get a drop

and there's 6 drops for assas

so (1/6) * 0.4

about a 6% chance

to get nick on any given run

[neat pulsar]

Unless loots have different dropping rates, is it the case ?

[velvet ridge]

My guess, the green is to reshiv, the yellow is to tea, the blue is to vanish

[strange python]

thank you!

[velvet ridge]

And make sure your doing those after the tick, not before, even .1 sec, because you want those buffs the moment kings bane ends

[static glacier]

Low-key

Using tea on 5s is better than chancing being too early on 6

Shiv is more forgiving

[keen spruce]

I don't believe so

[velvet ridge]

Shiv isn't anything, it should be running the whole duration

[keen spruce]

I think what he's sayin is that you can refresh shiv like 1s early

and it won't drop off before kb ends

more forgiving on the timing

[static glacier]

^

[lavish wing]

anyone knows 4pc bonus Id, tried wowhead spell Id but didnt work

[velvet ridge]

Okay, yeah its 8 secs, so it lasts longer then half kb

[static glacier]

Speaking of kingsbane, was double tea usage in opener ever simmed?

[static glacier]

What purposes are you using this for?

[strange python]

Also I've seen some top m+ rogues running almost exact the same build as the raid one (no crimson tempest/sudden demise/scent of blood) It is purely because of tyra week + very high keys or the meta has changed?

[lavish wing]

WA

[static glacier]

Perhaps try envenemous explosion

That’s the name

[keen spruce]

it makes your kingsbane bigger

at the cost of being a flacid pool noodle

when KB ends

[lavish wing]

well it says it needs Id, Id be surprised it accepts the name xD

[static glacier]

RIP

Would get it for you if I wasn’t afk

[static glacier]

It’s just under lust and dm perhaps mastery on first half of kb and dm would be valuable compared to energy

Hard to know though, since that usage is very wasteful energy-wise

[oak tangle]

[static glacier]

And kb lets you have much longer kb chains

Nice one memz

[arctic current]

mythic logs right?

[oak tangle]

heroic dreamcarver and 4 pc acquired after that raid

(normal raid)

[static glacier]

Gzgz

[keen spruce]

[static glacier]

My normal logs are good too

[keen spruce]

I think memz beat me on nymue

cuz I keep forgetting to switch off IC after council

[static glacier]

Yall using IC on council?

Interesting idea tbh

[lavish wing]

tnx, I'll figure it out...

[keen spruce]

yeah if your tanks can keep things organized

IC still good in 2 target

[static glacier]

What about CT?

I’ve just been using st with spatter on council

[keen spruce]

nah

you start losing too much

[static glacier]

And manually multidotting

[keen spruce]

i just do that but drop dashing scoundrel for ic

[past junco]

can i get some tips for lower keys? im doing around +15s but i feel like everytime i pop my cds on the highest hp mobs they always die before i get my full burst. I play with a havoc dh which doesnt help

[keen spruce]

not that it was my idea

i yoinked it

[keen spruce]

that is just the way it is

in lower keys

but mobs dying way too fast is a good problem to have

just means you should be doin higher keys

[static glacier]

Make sure you’re applying ct earlier in lower keys would be my tip

Energy economy is less important if everything dies too fast

[past junco]

alright sounds good

doing higher keys to do more damage feels a little counter intuitive but i get the idea ahaha

[arctic current]

the shock build is kinda fun in low keys

[past junco]

also another question, how often, if at all am i supposed to be target swapping in a pack? assuming the pack is alive after kb is over

[earnest marsh]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[fringe surge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[strange python]

If you've got to manually apply ruptures around or something, you'll be swapping.

[willow kite]

The absolute gall of the Havoc guide writer man;

[sharp viper]

finally a neck

[potent raft]

so i have 2 on-use trinkets
Branch (2mins) + Mirror(3mins cd)

I assume i sync branch with deathmark and mirror with non-deathmark kingsbane?

[bleak plume]

was Spiked Counterweight buffed anyhow or is it still shit-tier?

[strange python]

You wanna try to get a second that isn't on use but yeah that sounds like what you'd want to do

[royal lantern]

outlaws 🚪 👈

[vestal wren]

i got that one too

its not too bad

[strange python]

teach me senpai

[grand trail]

This is good one

[copper hazel]

has any checked if Kush is alive this morning

[sharp swallow]

Where do you get this from?

[woeful hollow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[copper hazel]

Lord Kazzak, blasted lands, daily kill for a chance to get it till 6th dec

part of the anniversary event

[manic quartz]

is there a way to sim all the weapon runes in one go?

[sweet zealot]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steel stump]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[oak tangle]

upgrades feeling strong in 20 BRH

happy camper

dh still broken

[stoic stump]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[junior yoke]

hello. Question, maybe someone asked this already but wasn't here to read.
Is it worth to break 4 pc tier ser T30 to gain 2pcc T31?

[strange python]

What does it say when you sim it?

Generally yes though

[junior yoke]

in what cases isn't worth?

[strange python]

Like if you sim it and the numbers go down.

[cunning basin]

Yes t31 2 PC is better than t30 4p

[tender osprey]

trying it out now, what are the three little horizontal bars inside of the KB tracker for? sorry if dumb question im new to sin

[steel stump]

shiv, vanish etc timmings

[strange python]

first one you get to is shiv, second is tea, third should be vanish

do each AFTER the mark

[cunning basin]

That looks really nice but I have way too much ADHD to use anything like that lmao

I just use whispyr's weakauras and call it a day, too many weakauras get really distracting

[sharp viper]

still better than my 447 season 2 neck

[tender osprey]

i mean the bars in the bottom left, not the tick marks on the top

[strange python]

its the duration of shiov etc

[tender osprey]

gotcha just extra info

[strange python]

i know :3 dw

👍

[cunning basin]

Looks sick as fuck tho

Nice shit

[strange python]

thank you

[calm tendon]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[cunning basin]

Y'all are all so creative and I'm over here just looking at my spinning plates pressing my buttons like a fucking boomer LMAO fuck

[tender osprey]

what do the swirlies arouns garrote/rupture mean?

[strange python]

i would let it have "more nice" in terms of visuals but im still experimenting around

Swirlys are Pandemic Refresh

[wooden perch]

any1 got 4p weakaura?

[tender osprey]

dont seem to be working for me but thats dope to have

they are just perma swirly

[strange python]

HUH O_O

let me check that D:

[cunning basin]

Wym

[wooden perch]

that tracks envenom uptime

[cunning basin]

Oh, most weakaura packs have envenom tracker built in

[strange python]

u can track it without 4p also

[cunning basin]

You can use one of those or just yoink the envenom tracker specifically from your favorite

[tender osprey]

also can make your own easy with WAs built in maker

thats what i did before trying packs

thats about my extent of making WAs shit is too complicated for my smooth brain

[strange python]

i like making WA ^-^

for me it seems easy

[sweet zealot]

why do the top sims for sin ST use vers+crit gems?

[tender osprey]

youre doing a great service for us idiots out here

[strange python]

cause their sims are an entire package inclusive of all the stats distributed across that character...and that's just how it mathed out.

[cunning basin]

Because all stats are very close so when hyper min-maxing you want some amount of all of them

[nocturne remnant]

man everyone here flexing 4 pcs meanwhile i've gotten 0 tokens from 4 clears >.<

[strange python]

OK

[strange python]

for the swirlys

i forgot to uncheck the Glow on Display

just uncheck it and its fine

[tender osprey]

beautiful

thanks mate

[strange python]

np :3

[steel stump]

Guys on Igira mythic I have a question about the first spears

They're a bit annoying to switch on during opener

Would you ?

[robust garden]

Spatter em

Dont switch

There are other classes that are very interested in parsing on those spears

[steel stump]

I see

thx

[eternal turtle]

whats the range on spatter?

[slim wagon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[steel stump]

idk it's not on the tooltip

[junior yoke]

Thank you!

[lyric grail]

Just make your own group

[fallen forge]

i dont think that solves not getting tier from raid

[spice surge]

It could

You just do a degen group

Dont invite anybody on your token

[strange python]

oh yeah i've done that

some peopel caught on - INSTA KICK

[fallen forge]

I would if I could but my raid lead said no normal or heroic pugs on our mains

and then he pulled out some spreadsheet that said rogue tier sucks

[strange python]

lol wut

[fallen forge]

so im still at 0p

dont ask me man im losing my mind over it

[strange python]

just get your token for killing fyrak and then one from 2k io

[vestal wren]

i got no token too doing normal/heroic (playing with a guild).
It happens, you just need your raid leader/officers to understand that not giving tier will lead to power level diffrences

[strange python]

then one from charges

and one this tuesday from charges

oh wait you don't get an auto one from fryak huh

[vestal wren]

if they don't or if it leads to negative feedback, i would talk to them

[spice surge]

2k or fyrakk gives you one ye

[strange python]

yeah ok

[fallen forge]

ye its just that i was being a 2head and chaining envenoms thinking im doing something

and then i learned its for new tier

[spice surge]

Or well, technically its all bosses, not just fyrakk

[strange python]

so i mean this is the easiest it's been to get 4p - while being unlucky with rng.

[fallen forge]

and i feel so stupid kekw

[vestal wren]

you need 1 token from vault, lfr or raid to get 4p

[strange python]

yea

[vestal wren]

you will have 2 from catalyst and 1 from killing fyrak hc or 2k r.io

[fallen forge]

ye im hoping for vault but ive gotten nothing from vault or lfr. im chilling on 2 catalyst and the ksm one tho

[strange python]

lol i'm ready to parse 99's tuesday - then wake up wednesday and have them be 80's

[fallen forge]

thankfully no negative feedback cause im still keeping up with the group dps

[vestal wren]

it isn't as intuitive for raid leaders, at least what i discussed

because many don't understand why you don't just get 2 pieces from catalyst and token

when doing so can limit your chances of 4p

[nocturne remnant]

ive had 2 runs with nobody wanting my token still didnt drop xD

[strange python]

I mean that's the thing - RL's that gave you 0p - probably give pi to someone else - you're lucky to have a wft. That's like negative (x% + 13% + 7%) dps

just feels bad

[vestal wren]

(because your vault or raid drops are not "free choice" in slot)

[steel spire]

My guild did every1 gets 1 token first week and cata for 2p

So next week we at 4p with vault and tokens

[vestal wren]

thats the smartest to do

[strange python]

yeah we're gonna be slammin this next week

[vestal wren]

giving everyone at least 1 first before doing more

[strange python]

I think we clear normal in like 45 mins or something insane already

[steel spire]

Worked great

[strange python]

maybe an hour

[vestal wren]

but a lot of guilds will not see it this way

normal is free loot, takes 1h

[steel ridge]

we did that and had 4p for everyone on the first reset

[strange python]

yeah my guild is fair af

cept with their pi

[vestal wren]

we had so far i think one rogue token drop or two at all

[strange python]

fuck arcane mages man

so needy

[vestal wren]

having 4 classes on the token does not make it easier

[steel spire]

Damn lizards

🐍

[slate crown]

Gm

[vestal wren]

and our officers did not agree to use the omni tokens to equalize it out

[slate crown]

Is fyrakk still alive?

[vestal wren]

it is

[steel ridge]

sadge, with that strat and loot buddy to fill in to 30 slots we managed to get alot of omni tokens aswell so we even had spare tokens after 2 full clears

[spiral pasture]

we sent 2p based on dmg gain and the 4p was for everyone to get individually

[steel ridge]

fourpiecing the entire roster in just 2 clears is pretty solid

[fiery saddle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gusty mirage]

This was the best way to do it tbh, esp with the mark of mastery and catalyst open

[spiral pasture]

yeah

no splits wed this week everyone had 4p

ofc vault helped too, quite a few got 1p from there

[strange python]

i got like 2 or 3 cloaks, 2 or 3 rings, and like some garbage ass trinkets

[vestal wren]

i think many guilds did fall into bad distribution systems

[gusty mirage]

Ye get everyone you can 2pc week one and the rest sort of settles itself

[vestal wren]

just need to make sure everyone gets at least one tier piece

[strange python]

yeah then week 3 everyone is up and runnin

[vestal wren]

if thats the case, you are Gucci

[scenic kelp]

hello, where can i find the best st and m+ build?

[spiral pasture]

yeah if it goes on to week 3

[vestal wren]

as mentioned, not the case for our guild so far

[dark token]

why are echo rogues running acro and no deeper on fyrak

anything in particular making it worth

[vestal wren]

comfort

the fight is stressfull, so they rather play acro

[gusty mirage]

^

Plus carrying seeds and not having to worry about melee range is big

[vestal wren]

and i can't blame them, the fight looks rly insane

[gusty mirage]

A lot of micro movement in p3

[cunning basin]

Fyrakk gonna be nuts

I cannot WAIT

Shit looks more fun than nelth

[vestal wren]

🧌 i mean, they could pla sub and get acro always

[gusty mirage]

Something something acro is a dps talent

[spiral pasture]

or kir outlaw

[cunning basin]

KiR outlaw

Good meme

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vzMqr4AK9CkFf8qgKFXjZr surprised sim is telling me upgrading boots from heroic -> mythic is worth more than 4x mythic item upgrades

[steel ridge]

tbf picking up acro is not that huge of a loss as many make it seem, if you can improve uptime with it, its a solid choice, for me its simming like 3,5% lower

[cunning basin]

I thought echo had been running sub mainly?

[spice surge]

Well they did like 175 pulls as sub with acro

[dark token]

i tried it on nymue

it made basically zero difference'

[vestal wren]

they played sub to help with add management

[dark token]

so i took it off

[cunning basin]

3.5% is kind of a massive loss

[spice surge]

Whereas liquid played assa (almost) all the pulls, so thats probably why

[vestal wren]

but blizz nerfed the adds iirc

[cunning basin]

Ahh

[vestal wren]

so sub wasn't rly that interssting

[steel ridge]

not if you can leverage the improved uptime

[gusty mirage]

Speaking of nymue, the melee range for nymue seems giga small

[dark token]

acro on sin just feels weak af compared to sub or outlaw imo

[cunning basin]

I think sub is well positioned for a couple fights

[dark token]

it is

[vestal wren]

and its back to the highest dps option, assassination also comfortably brings a execute

and is easier to play well

[strange python]

yeah sub actually feels real good to me

[gusty mirage]

It’s kinda annoying ngl

[oak eagle]

very true

[dark token]

i thought of going acro on nymue to help and it didnt actually give me more uptime

[steel ridge]

ofc taking acro on a farm boss that you just kill in 90 seconds is kind of a waste yeah

[cunning basin]

The execute is massive on something like fyrakk, there is so much health on that fucker

[dark token]

cause u can still stand in tip of red seed

with default melee range

its just tight

[spice surge]

Red seeds should just spawn 1 or 2 yards closer to her

[oak eagle]

guys im pissed, i was doing a H Tindral last night

[gusty mirage]

TRUE

[oak eagle]

and the boss parried my first kingsbane

and i was very sad

[gusty mirage]

[cunning basin]

Honestly if that happens I'm calling for a wipe idc

[oak eagle]

too bad it was in a pug

[cunning basin]

Like nah bro is joever

[spiral pasture]

alt f4 angle there

[oak eagle]

tanked my parse

so hard there

[gusty mirage]

KB getting parried is an alt f4 angle agreed

“Sorry game crashed”

[cunning basin]

Definite alt f4 angle probably wipe it up angle too

[gusty mirage]

[spiral pasture]

loving the rp value parry brings

[cunning basin]

Maybe uninstall?? Idk I'd be pretty close to uninstalling if that happened

[spiral pasture]

wouldnt wish it any other way

[gusty mirage]

True, I always feel so immersed

[spiral pasture]

😢

[oak eagle]

i even

[vestal wren]

"my internet died, sry guys"

[oak eagle]

use shadowstep to make sure im behind the boss

but the fuckin tanks turned it

unless my shadowstep just didnt go off

[cunning basin]

I love it when I'm so immersed 🧢

[slate crown]

Oh hey if you didn’t see, branch WA has dots now, forgot to ping you last night with the update

[strange python]

gotta get that hit and expertise cap

[cunning basin]

Expertise 🤢

[oak eagle]

can liquid like

wake up and just kill this boss

please

[cunning basin]

Probs will tbh

[oak eagle]

i hope they do

[gusty mirage]

Can anyone kill this boss at this point

[oak eagle]

im a avid echo hater because of half the raiders what they did on method

[spiral pasture]

or they wake up to echo celebrating a kill

[cunning basin]

They're on an any pull kinda pace rn, sucks they went to bed but Max's reasoning is solid

[gusty mirage]

Idc who literally anyone

[slate crown]

Where is liquid? Are they pacific time zone?

[dark token]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

Central I believe

[oak eagle]

yeah they in LA

[spiral pasture]

but the race will always be a meme

[cunning basin]

I think echo fucked up raiding like 20 hours straight

[spiral pasture]

at least until theres global release

[dark token]

nice! i probably remove the bar and keep the text + dots , i dont really like bar WA for my ui

[gusty mirage]

Oh, true they were central with complexity

[oak eagle]

i mean

[dark token]

but i understand it fits better for your pack

[gusty mirage]

Hard to keep up

[slate crown]

Sec

[oak eagle]

the head start doesnt really even matter this late

its whoever gets the better pull first

also echo channel is super cringe

turning on sub only mode

[spice surge]

Surely going to bed at like 5 AM really helping echo rn

[spiral pasture]

idk in my mind the whole race is cringe

[dark token]

did they really pull to 5 am

[gusty mirage]

Surely

[cunning basin]

I like to just sit in Max's stream and spam the big picture of Thd

[dark token]

i thought they stop at midnight

[gusty mirage]

Yes lmao

[dark token]

i bet liquid did too

[cunning basin]

They went extra cuz they smelled a kill

[spice surge]

Think they stopped at like 4:30

[spiral pasture]

always soem weird drama/ off straming etc. all could be gone with global release and wed have a real competition

[oak eagle]

nah Liquid went till like 1am PST

[wooden perch]

is there some bug with assa

[cunning basin]

Nope liquid went to be at regular time

[spice surge]

But you dont fall asleep the millisecond you stop pulling

[oak eagle]

and then went offline

[slate crown]

#assassination message

#assassination message

[strange python]

I think going into pvp matches cancels our dreamcarver buff

[wooden perch]

i just had a key where i was generating 0 energy

[gusty mirage]

I fall asleep while pulling the bosses, I’m built diffy

[cunning basin]

Did u have poisons on

[dark token]

also you KNOW all these raiders are taking sleep drugs and then adderall when they wake up or something right

[slate crown]

If you just want to copy that to do it

[wooden perch]

.....

fuck

my

life

[gusty mirage]

[cunning basin]

Holy fuck

[oak eagle]

BRUH

KEKW

[gusty mirage]

It happens

[dark token]

there is no way i could get restful sleep in RWF

[cunning basin]

Bro trolled hisself

[oak eagle]

YOURE SO MALDING RN

[cunning basin]

LMAO

[oak eagle]

thats why i have a WA that yells at me

when I dont have a poison on

[cunning basin]

That's a mistake that happens like exactly once and never again

[oak eagle]

takes up like

[cunning basin]

Cuz that shit is PAINGE

[oak eagle]

my entire screen

[strange python]

Soon as you do that, you get a weakaura

[cunning basin]

LMAO

[strange python]

that fucks you in the dick when you dont have em

[oak eagle]

thats what happened to me

[wooden perch]

i have one

[oak eagle]

back in BFA

[wooden perch]

but it didnt pop up

[oak eagle]

i did I think it was a 15FH

and was wondering why just didnt have energy

[cunning basin]

I don't have a reminder wa but I do have massive ADHD so I reapply poisons every 30 minutes like a manic psychopath

[oak eagle]

and then i look at my buffs half way through the dungeon

and see that I dont have poisons

[strange python]

I do both

[oak eagle]

and im like

fml

[steel spire]

Reapply in between envenoms for giga rp

[strange python]

I have a problem with using like 8 or more phials in a 3 hour raid too

[cunning basin]

I also reapply runes and phials with 30min left

[strange python]

39 mins, ok better refresh

[cunning basin]

FUCK SAME BRO

[strange python]

etc

[cunning basin]

Thank God I'm not the only one lmao

[oak eagle]

i also have a WA that shows up when they have 20 mins or less

[fervent jasper]

The debuff the 2nd boss in Fall outs on you that the healer dispells. Can you feint the damage from it?

[oak eagle]

and i just click em all

[cunning basin]

I have no idea but I always do bc it makes me feel better

[steel spire]

Press it anyways for cope

[cunning basin]

LMAO

[oak eagle]

i do because i feel like it does

but i have no idea

[cunning basin]

Cope value is insane

[oak eagle]

you would think that it would

[cunning basin]

[strange python]

if you aren't feinting just about everything - you're doing it wrong

who cares if it works, you tried

[cunning basin]

Pretending anything with a ring animation can be feinted bc pls

[oak eagle]

meme in my guild is if someone dies to stupid

we all just go

well did you press feint

[steel spire]

Still a dps gain with 2pc too so yolo

[oak eagle]

even when they arent a rogue

[cunning basin]

ON GOD

[steel spire]

Keeps stacks up

[strange python]

lol i like telling people they shoulda cloaked it

[cunning basin]

My favorite thing is when I don't have vanish for corrosion on blight and I'm just like "I need god"

[strange python]

meanwhile my cheat death is what keeps me alive

[slate crown]

Well it doesn’t keep them up, it just adds some

[oak eagle]

yo anyone here online in NA to check the primal storm for them rq to see if they got a rare on their shard

[slate crown]

The buff is a rolling buff like ironfur

[wooden perch]

how can i make my rupture and garrote be highlighted/easy to see

on plater

[strange python]

People think i'm some feint/cloak king....but really i just wait til the cheat death debuff is up - then play like an absolute pussy

[oak eagle]

same tbh

[cunning basin]

That is a turbo mood

Once cheat is down I'm full on

[midnight atlas]

does acro work with carnage?

[steel ridge]

thats the proper way

[slate crown]

But, still I hadn’t thought about that, I still always am pressing feint but that’s a good point it isn’t lost energy now

[steel ridge]

no

[oak eagle]

i need to remember that i need to fight a beast at the start of every day

[cunning basin]

I feint everything, cloak off the first dot I get, stoneform anything vaguely resembling a bleed

[oak eagle]

for that leech

[strange python]

I think the buff is supposed to be perma

But something is removing it for me too

I think it's BG's

[cunning basin]

Buff is perma for me

[steel spire]

Remember gamers on prepull feintx2 vial for stacks

[left sundial]

wtf

[cunning basin]

Brain is braining rn

[oak eagle]

gets removed for me too

and i dont play bgs

i do pve

not a fan of pvp

[cunning basin]

Mine has persisted through switching daggers multiple times

[strange python]

yeah i dunno what's removing it, i haven't paid enough attention - just that sometimes i look for it, and it's gone

[oak eagle]

its on when im switching between specs and shit

and then when i log back in after the daily reset

its gone

[cunning basin]

Weird

[oak eagle]

yeah

[cunning basin]

Mine has yet to go away

[oak eagle]

that or maybe im just fucked in the brain

and thinking its gone

but its actually not

[strange python]

do you guys change to sub and back to sin sometimes?

[oak eagle]

i change between outlaw and sin

outlaw for keys

and sin for raid

[strange python]

yeah i swap to sub for pvp or for boredom sometimes

[oak eagle]

yeah im not too big of fan of sub this tier

double dance feels real weird to play again

[cunning basin]

Really hope someone kills fyrakk today

[oak eagle]

since you also have sec tech

i hope its liquid

[cunning basin]

I want a chance at leggo on my dk

[oak eagle]

big echo hater here

well you wouldnt get a chance till after weekly reset anyways

[cunning basin]

Shut up

[oak eagle]

KEKW

i mean

[cunning basin]

Once it's unlocked I auto get it first run

[oak eagle]

im pretty sure it dies today

[cunning basin]

I DEFINITELY WONT BE TRYING TO GET IT 8 WEEKS FROM NOW

[oak eagle]

evoker in my guild from last tier

did sark every week

and didnt get lego

[cunning basin]

Sane

Same

[oak eagle]

someone else deicdes to gear their evoker

get it on like

[cunning basin]

Guy actually quite playing his 448 evoker

[oak eagle]

the second run

[cunning basin]

Quit*

Every other evoker in our guild has it

[steel spire]

imagine farming boss from last tier for Legos couldn't be us right guys

[cunning basin]

EVERY single one

[steel spire]

Sylv dagger ptsd

[cunning basin]

Thank God I never played rogue for that

[oak eagle]

when i didnt get it for like 5 weeks into the new patch

[cunning basin]

Or hunter

[oak eagle]

i just stopped

my sanity was just

shot

gone

out the window

[steel spire]

[oak eagle]

that sylv tier

[strange python]

man i was GIVIN em away - helping every rogue i could

[spice surge]

Its not actually bis this tier, so they dont have to

[oak eagle]

made me want to go see god and never come back down

I LOOTED 1 DAGGER

THE ENTIRE TIER

[cunning basin]

Good for them!

[steel spire]

Bless up

[cunning basin]

Scalies

[strange python]

Blizz thought i needed so many EON's or something

[oak eagle]

and I was killing Sylv every week

Norm and Heroic

guild didnt kill mythic sylv until the final week

i also hated how you didnt get max stacks on that boss, unless you cheesed it at the start of the pull

and then they fixed that shit

[steel spire]

Any NoTs trains running

Dagger trade groups xd

[oak eagle]

i havent gone in there on properly farmed it yet

i keep getting declined to the pugs

these pugs man

have such massive egos

for 0 reason

i have the thing chested on a 21

and not getting invited

[oak eagle]

yeah i saw that on twitter

[warm fog]

In AoE what do i use earlier, Shiv or Mutilate for caustic?

[oak eagle]

i assume shiv into mutilate

[steel spire]

Mut for spatter

[oak eagle]

since caustic is nature dam

really?

well aight then

ig i was wrong

[static glacier]

Depends how long mob will live

In general though I mut first

[warm fog]

Thx for answering ❤️

[steel spire]

Ya shiv splash after mut with ap good dam

[fair ingot]

Are you guys able to get any good caustic damage in lower keys (20 or below)
I feel like mine is barely doing shit and even in 19s its so hard to get good kb burst out and without kb up spatter does pretty low damage compared to bleeds

[static glacier]

I swear shiv dmg is the fakest thing eu

[static glacier]

Depends how you play, you can play for caustic dmg at the expense of bleeds

[fair ingot]

no even 7% spatter damage 😄

[spice surge]

Mostly it depends on how you pull

[static glacier]

Some keys like everbloom are easier to get caustic value

[steel spire]

I run hybrid 2p2p rn no 4p and I pray pb procs for big dmg

[spice surge]

Like in everbloom, if you pull the big tree with DM+kingsbane up youll get way more spatter damage than if you only pull smallies

Same with other dungeons too, if theres a big target you can cleave of its gonna be way higher

[fair ingot]

this was a BRH
there was 1 good pull where i was able to stack kb and i was at 1m dps

But if there are only like 5targets and no big add to stack kb on spatter does barely anything

[static glacier]

Brh is a mixed bag, easy caustic dmg on bats with the dominators as main target

And the named 2 mini boss guys are also a good spatter send

But some of the packs can really lack good kb targets

[slate crown]

Honestly many pulls just feel better ignoring kb

[spice surge]

Pulling bosses with the packs before them feels so fucking good though (like priestess in atal)

[static glacier]

About half the time I send it just to keep it sync’d with dm and to get dance for IC

[spice surge]

(less good on bursting ig)

[steel spire]

After bursting we gona pop off

[static glacier]

I swear sudden demise is the biggest terrorist for extending bursting

[spice surge]

Yep

[fair ingot]

yeah not happening in pugs lol 😄 havent had a single tank pull packs into the boss yet

[static glacier]

Sin unironically might be best spec ingame for handling abominations

[dark token]

sudden demise dam went way down when i started using hybrid build

[tall atlas]

i dont even understand how to aoe on assass

[dark token]

u just passive aoe

[steel spire]

Yo but the spatter dam and pb procs

[static glacier]

Biggest SD tick? For me was like 1.2m

[tall atlas]

really?

[dark token]

i do like the tier set makes me competaitve on 5t pulls even without cds

[slate crown]

No more AP?

[spice surge]

62M on ozumat

[dark token]

i got 4p and hybrid simmed higher

[fair ingot]

multidot garrotes/rupture during IC window, crimson tempest and get caustic spatter up and funnel dps into the spatter target

[steel spire]

Seeing zerocool solo a target for kb spatter value

[fair ingot]

imagine having coordinated groups to do this with

I feel like in pugs as soon as i use kb on any target it might aswell be marked with skull

everyone and their mother switches to my kb target 😄

[strange python]

Yeah but there's really no other reason to do it other than to simply do it

[dark token]

but yeah just rupture -> garrotte garrote -> rupture -> fok ct -> mut -> envenom spam lets me keep up with dh and bm

on 5t pulls

[velvet ridge]

Fall, shroud to first boss, pull 5 pack on, lust. Mmmmh feels good

[tall atlas]

is outlaw not more consistent in keys tho

[dark token]

its nice so u dont send ur cds when t hey send

and u send on pack after

if there is no high hp targets

[steel spire]

Rogue is play what you want

[dark token]

i dont typically cooldown any enemy below 10m hp

[spice surge]

Outlaw def the best for pugs/when you have no idea about the routes

[strange python]

outlaw doesn't require that huge prio target to do big dam. But if you can't do big dam with that prio target as sin - the damage wasn't really needed anyway.

[velvet ridge]

Dark heart, adds to first bear, lust. Mmmmh feels good

[manic quartz]

im sure kb has some hidden mechanic that funnels all the dmg others do to your kb target and it dies in 3sec

[strange python]

lol that feeling when you accidentally DM/KB into some 300k hp target

[spice surge]

Sub and assa both rely on their cooldowns and dont do that much without em. Sub needs decently long pulls to get value out of theirs and assa preferably needs a prio target

Outlaw just slams

[static glacier]

I swear ozumat buff and brh buffs ruin overalls in their respective keys

[dark token]

they do

[strange python]

oh yeah for sure, by a lot

[velvet ridge]

AD, packs on left into golem, lust. Mmmmh feels good

[static glacier]

On the flip side hard cap vs softcaps on aoe

And rip blade rush

[velvet ridge]

Throne, ALL the packs into first mini boss, lust. Mmmmh feels good

[tough gorge]

I think assass dmg is still very good without cd. Especially compared to sub.

[strange python]

yeah feels weird not having blade rush in their m+ build

[strange python]

and yeah, sometimes i hit a pack with no cds (saving, on cd, whatever) and am surprised.

[velvet ridge]

Bladerush was never for dmg, it was nrg regain and movement

[tough gorge]

I hate when kb gets wasted lol

Also i tried hybrid build withour CT and using vicious venoms. It did sim a bit lower.

[manic quartz]

does anyone have any plater mod or something to highlight KB target?

[cunning basin]

Outlaw is sick as fuck in keys

[tough gorge]

4p helps make it decentish

[fervent jasper]

Has outlaw decisively overtaken assass in keys? or are they both still so close that you can play either

[cunning basin]

I've been trying to get an outlaw gear set together since that's what people want to bring

[manic quartz]

you can play whatever

[cunning basin]

I don't really think either are significantly better, but outside perception is outlaw

And when you pug you gotta put up with people who are just sheep and don't actually know things

[vast loom]

after palying both this week, seems a bit better but thats mainly just becuase its hard to make KB work on a lot of packs lol

[fervent jasper]

Is that because they die too quickly?

I have that problem even in 19s

[cunning basin]

Yeah assa gains a lot of spatter value as you get into higher keys

[vast loom]

you do plenty of dmg still

[cunning basin]

If you have a big prio targets that will live a full KB you do much more damage

[strange python]

so the trick to doing good dmg with outlaw is what - you're basically getting crackshot windows whenever you can, and build > BTE build > BTE? as much as possible with blade flurry up?

[fervent jasper]

Before I garrote, rupture, CT, Dmark, Dance, KB, mut, everything is almost dead

[tough gorge]

Which is also when sudden loses value

[cunning basin]

Sudden Demise never loses value

You play it for 10% bleed damage lmao

[tough gorge]

You dont get mobs dying as frequently from it

[cunning basin]

Who cares, that's not why it's played

[tough gorge]

Compared to like a +18

Mate im simply saying why it starts losing value , holy fuck lol

Not that you dont take it

[cunning basin]

It's a fun thing that happens, but the real reason you put a point in sudden demise is for 10% bleed damage. But like you're incorrect bc 10% bleed damage is always 10% bleed damage

It never actually loses value lol

[tough gorge]

It literally does. The % of your dmg goes down in higher keys

[steel ridge]

blowing up prio targets with dm and sudden demise is pretty funny tho

[cunning basin]

So bleeds do less damage in higher keys?

[steel ridge]

sudden demise makes it so, that the duplicated bleeds actually kill the target instead of just disappearing

which is a net gain

[strange python]

blowing up prio targets ~~ with dm and sudden demise~~ is pretty funny tho

[dark token]

where tf

can i buy the apsect crest item

[flint tusk]

enchanting supplies

[steel ridge]

no idea, i just used the free wyrm things 😄

[flint tusk]

https://i.imgur.com/UXyesaY.png

[dark token]

i did too

but sim is telling me to upgrade my toxic boots for 60 crests

rather than spend it on mythic tier

[cunning basin]

I play a game where I try to do as much with SD as I can to the stupid dragon after 2nd boss of fall

Cuz otherwise I think I would go insane chain running fall 🥲

[swift magnet]

does Envenom benefit from pandemic? I was under the impression it did not but i'm probably mixing it up with EP

[crisp pine]

I love obliterating that guy

[cunning basin]

Yes it does

[steel ridge]

dont you just skip that thing?^^

[cunning basin]

People usually fuck it up

[strange python]

you dont even need shroud right?

[cunning basin]

The distract trick is hilarious tho

[steel ridge]

what trick, you just mount up and ride past it

[fair ingot]

i think out of roughly 40 runs by now only 2 tanks wanted to skip it 😄

[cunning basin]

You don't need anything you can just jump the corner while mounted

There's like 5 ways to skip that dragon

And I've seen people fail every single one

[static glacier]

It was big on mass aoe, mastery procs and all

[cunning basin]

If only main gauche didn't hit like a wet paper towel

Mastery stacking could be lit

[static glacier]

Tbh using BF on cd kinda keeps mastery relevant on mass aoe

[strange python]

i'm gonna get good at outlaw one of these days

[cunning basin]

Yeah but it'll still never be a prio unless they change/fix it somehow

[strange python]

maybe today is the day

[cunning basin]

It's fun

Def worth learning

[strange python]

I used to be great at it

it's this new crackshot/bte thing that messes me up i think

[velvet ridge]

Mastery is really cool and class flavorful. They should do more with it

[eager solstice]

What talents are you guys running for this week on mplus? Full aoe?

[velvet ridge]

Blood lust, but mastery : thinking

[static glacier]

Tried both hybrid and the AP build, both are fine

[cunning basin]

I still just play AP

With blindside

[velvet ridge]

Blind side AP, dubbed shock build I think. Though I've seen ppl dropping sudden demise and scent to grab DTB and AP

[cunning notch]

Do you guys Think assa is better than outlaw for m+?

[cunning basin]

I think both are fine

[cunning notch]

I see streamers in High key doing assa mostly

[cunning basin]

Unbiased opinion is that outlaw is safer since you'll be stacking a shitload of vers

[static glacier]

Nah, I think it’s slightly weaker in weekly level keys and close in higher ones

[dark token]

Not in high keys with coordinated groups and routes

Outlaw capped L

[cunning notch]

So overall outlaw better?

[cunning basin]

^

[velvet ridge]

I think sin iron wire is NUTS, and most groups don't notice it, but its huge value

[next quarry]

Hey , quick question , did the big brains figure out a good build for tyran weeks? Aoe is pumpin but the ST side is a bit low.

[cunning basin]

L

[dark token]

Assa will play the fire mage role

In high keys

[static glacier]

Imo yeah

[steel spire]

kb spatter on prio target

[dark token]

Imo no

[static glacier]

This might be a giga hot take

[dark token]

Outlaw is only better in random pugs below 20

[static glacier]

I think sin is a much better mdi spec than OL

[dark token]

For any serious key pushing u want sin

[steel spire]

uh ass dh ?

[cunning basin]

Agree

[dark token]

I'm betting ass dh bm is the comp

Augs are shit their dmg is really low now

[static glacier]

My views on this are biased but last I checked leaderboards I saw OL dominating higher key representation

[velvet ridge]

I really think the community doesn't even recognize iron wire, or what sin brings to the group

[crisp pine]

why would you want an ass dh?
not better to have a good one?

[cunning notch]

I might just go make my dh alt my main

[dark token]

Basically no one is pushing now

Lol

[cunning basin]

I think outlaw is safer bc of all the vers stacking inherently, but for higher keys assa can just crank on so many mobs

[cunning notch]

I did do enhance boost on my rogue to play in a group which disbanded lol

[cunning basin]

OL target cap catches up eventually in higher keys

[cunning notch]

Yeah assa makes sense in 22+ maybe?

[static glacier]

I think if you’re asking which is better you’d be better off with OL, if the tank is prepared to play around you sin will beat OL but generally I think OL is the more consistent spec

[cunning notch]

Idk

[subtle kiln]

wait for sub to take over at high keys

[cunning basin]

I play it for everything bc I like it but

I like all three specs and think they all have value and if you play rogue, you should probably know how to play all 3

[static glacier]

Wouldn’t be surprised if sub won if every pull is 7+ targets

[oak tartan]

Is there like geek squad for Assassination? I want someone to talk me through a log

[velvet ridge]

Nah, fuck sub, only 2 you need are OL sin

[cunning basin]

Kinda yeah

Sub is fun too

[steel spire]

!log<-?

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[cunning basin]

I'm a certified dust hater but other than that sub is sick

[subtle kiln]

need and outlaw.

[dark token]

Actually it's probably assa dh enh, rdruid heal, veng tank

[steel spire]

enh? sheeeesh

[cunning basin]

Enh has so much value I think people are low-key sleeping on rn

[velvet ridge]

Like I love sin, but you really think its gonna be part of meta comp? Idk

[dark token]

If you have good play on enh it beats BM in dmg and has way more util and group buff for melee as well

[cunning basin]

Yup

[dark token]

But it's very rare to find a good enh

Whereas decent BM is easy to find

[cunning basin]

My push group has an insane enh shaman

And the dude just cranks

[steel spire]

lust wft

[static glacier]

Gl convincing ur enh to play wf in keys

[slim hamlet]

I think the optimal play is to play outlaw in some dungeons/affixes and sin in others, but i don't think people will play sin still

[dark token]

you might play outlaw in some keys yes

maybe waycrest

[velvet ridge]

Sin is too much work for a lot of ppl

[slim hamlet]

I would think outlaw is best tyran and sin fortified generally

[dark token]

i actually find it easier than outlaw

personally

[slim hamlet]

Outlaw also survives oneshots easier

5% stam, 4% vers, 5% dr

and stacks vers harder

[static glacier]

I think once you understand the decision making tree and prio for sin it is easier to execute than OL, but understanding it is generally harder for the average player

[cunning notch]

I just might reroll cause i dont get into Keys with my ilvl anyway lol..

453.. i was late to the party

Might do dh tank instead..

[slim hamlet]

The problem is sin is not hard once you learn it, but you gotta actually play it for a bit to learn the conditionals

and I just don't think the general rogue players cba

[static glacier]

I want non dust sub to be on the menu

[slim hamlet]

in 13.2 buddy

[static glacier]

Tbh it probably is, I just tried it day 1

[slim hamlet]

keep coping

[static glacier]

And it sucked major dick

Now I have 4pc it’s probably playable

[static glacier]

Though I only tried dust,

[dark token]

anyway its either
havoc aug sin + rdruid
havoc enh sin + rdruid
havoc aug warlock + disc priest

i guess havoc aug boomie + disc is also good

[velvet ridge]

I don't even know what dust is kekw

[slim hamlet]

Havoc, rogue, enhance/balance, disc, vengenace

Easy

[finite mountain]

wassup, which stats are you running? saw some assa guys with 60-80% mast and 30%crit but some others play 40%mast 40%crit and a bit more haste 😄

[static glacier]

-30s cd on everything when you press vanish

[cunning basin]

Sim yourself

[static glacier]

Max ilvl, honestly

[velvet ridge]

That sounds really cool, I love dust now

[cunning basin]

The robit will tell you what stats to get in terms of gems/enchants and for everything else, ilevel

[slim hamlet]

I think aug is overrated and I would rather have a mark of the wild

[cunning basin]

Aug just doesn't do very much damage in keys anymore

[finite mountain]

i done this, and its crazy thats why i am asking ... same ilvl all, and sim says 45crit 40mast 13vers is better than 75mast 35crit... but istn mastery our main damage ?

[slim hamlet]

yep

[cunning basin]

Still has all the utility but their damage is so mid

[static glacier]

Dust is cool, it’s just a massive headache to plan / play around

[slim hamlet]

Even accounting for their logs being fucked

[cunning notch]

Dont Think outlaw Will compete?

[cunning basin]

All stats are very close in value, do what the sim says

The robit is there for a reason

[slim hamlet]

Would rather have boomking that also got lots of utility + is 1 more ranged + more dmg + mark of the wild

[static glacier]

Augs value remains to be providing the most survivability to your team of any dps

Nothing else really comes close

[slim hamlet]

Aug is ranged too I know

[slim hamlet]

Was thinking compared to enhance

[dark token]

top guy is outlaw

2nd guy is sin

they are both good

just dont play sub

[jade abyss]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cunning basin]

True

[slim hamlet]

Rankings are fake until at least a month in

[static glacier]

Stealthi was supposed to usher us in a new age of sub

[cunning basin]

Sub fun in st

[static glacier]

But he turned his back 😔

[cunning basin]

Scuffed as fuck in keys

[slim hamlet]

I didn't do anything last week and I am top 100 rogue

[dark token]

the sub aoe is just dogshit

[slim hamlet]

No one is playing

[dark token]

bp needs big buff

dust makes it really unfun

[cunning basin]

Sadge

[static glacier]

Sub with pug pulls of 3-5 targets gives me conniptions

[dark token]

my sub dslice sim is 220k while my sub ST sim is 213k

??

[static glacier]

Seal fate carried the spec so hard it’s unreal

[gray crest]

I was doing more damage as sub than sin in keys

[static glacier]

Pre 4set?

[cunning basin]

Yeah seal fate was fucking INSANE for the aoe

[gray crest]

post 4set

[velvet ridge]

I screenshotted myself at 4, cause I ain't getting close again 🤣

[dark token]

ur playing sin wrong for sure

[static glacier]

Ima try sub post 4set today when I’m home

[dark token]

i do like 250k as sub

300k as sin

[cunning basin]

Yeah I've been doing 0 pushing bc of not getting a second fucking dagger

Shit sucks

Just been spamming fall

[gray crest]

what is there to wrong as sin lol?

[static glacier]

I got 2.8 on Thursday

Been away from home since

[gray crest]

if anything shit dying too quick is bad for sin

[cunning basin]

I'm only 2759, I was ahead of everyone in my guild but they all farmed and got the items they needed and I'm on run 44 of fall with no dagger 🥲

So prioing that over io x.x

[slim hamlet]

The only bad thing about playing sin is having 40% crit, fan of knife 10 mobs and getting 1cp

wtf is that

I genuinely want to just leave the key

[cunning basin]

F e l t

[dark token]

at least its cheap compared to shuriken storm

[weak crescent]

He used cloak of shadows irl to try immune the sleep deprivation debuff but then realized its physical damage

[slim hamlet]

Unlucky