assassination

[hearty reef]

I found myself having the branch buff for the whole KB duration pretty consistently even when picking up the orbs badly

So it's not that bad

[grand trail]

i checked my logs and i did not cover my kb just once

[cyan dew]

guys should I let garrote or rupture fall off (for like 1/2sec) in benefit of keeping my envenom proc?

[grand trail]

logs for smolderon start to adding up already 14 public

thats nice

[proven jasper]

Anyone have any good rogue fyrakk tech

[hexed willow]

Picking up at 1:1:1 is a minor dps loss that still makes it better than ember soul

It’s not a magical mini game that kills you

You just push it and let them come to you

If you’re using DM during heavy movement and mechanics, you’re fucking your DM anyways

[knotty rose]

is Nelth Call trink still good this patch if i have one in 447ilvl from s2?

[versed mica]

How minor

[hearty reef]

With a small strafe you can for youraelf to pick up 2 of them with again very little movement

[foggy hare]

Evening lads, could a gigachad assassination rogue help me by taking a skim over my logs and let me know if i'm doing something drastically wrong please? I'll be very grateful.

[hexed willow]

I believe it was a 0.4% loss to do 1:1:1 compared to 1:1:7

[versed mica]

Yes, but sim what you got

[gray crest]

The trinkets from last tier got nerfed a bit so generally go for newer trinkets. With that said nelths is probably the best trinket from s2

[languid glade]

if that's the case, why are echo rogues using ember?

[versed mica]

Because they need to focus on mechanics

[languid glade]

he said 1:1:1 is still better

[gray crest]

prolly cause they dont want to fuck someone by picking up an orb

[hearty reef]

#assassination message
why

[languid glade]

and mechanic doesn't matter in that case

[grand trail]

111 is not 0,4 to 117

[buoyant herald]

Just to make sure because they’ve been progging and not farming m+ perhaps

[versed mica]

It still distracts from mechanics lol

[languid glade]

both rogues have branch in echo

[hexed willow]

It’s entirely possible they figured it wasn’t worth farming everbloom over splits

[versed mica]

It's not that deep

[buoyant herald]

Guess it’s just secret tech then. We know what the sims say

[languid glade]

they both have it

[grand trail]

no, they have trinkets, they were using it even before.

and they did keys until they had every key gear they needed

even rings

[versed mica]

Okay you're right, whispyr, who has been making sin sim apl for years now is just wrong because the guys who hyperfocus mythic raid world first aren't using the trinket

[languid glade]

i never said i was right, what you guys are saying makes no sense on why echo rogues are using ember over branche

[buoyant herald]

Nah I reckon whispyr is deliberately altering the sims so people use the wrong trinkets and he can get all the #1 ranks

[versed mica]

True and real

[grand trail]

nobody argue that branch is not better

[cyan dew]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gray crest]

it makes no sense when you put your fingers in your ears and yell "lalalala"

[hexed willow]

Could it be that other people can seen the orbs? Who knows. But mathematically and by current usage in raid/m+, branch is stronger. Why they’re using it is up to them

But it doesn’t necessarily make sense

[versed mica]

Again, even 1:1:1 usage of the trinket is a distraction from mechanics. If you screw up mechanics, it doesn't matter how much dps you do

[hexed willow]

1:1:1 is you push it and ignore the orbs

They come to you

All at the same time

[versed mica]

Oh, they space out like that?

[hexed willow]

They appear equidistant from you

[versed mica]

I thought they would all hit you at once of you didn't move

[gusty mirage]

tldr: these guys can't afford to run everbloom 30 times for a trinket when ashes isn't far enough behind for it to matter

[neat rain]

How long did it take for everyone to get branch from everbloom that upgrade is gonna be so huge for kingsbane window

[weak crescent]

opinions on using 60 aspects on upgrading boots along with free 476 upgrade on wrists (mainhand is 483, witherbark is 489 and sandglass is 476) i would be left with 45 crests in case i get a trinket i could upgrade

[gusty mirage]

that's literally the only reason

[languid glade]

both echo rogues have branch already

[strange python]

Worst case scenario (1:1:1) bout 1.9%

[hexed willow]

That’s what I did

[young cypress]

In AOE do you still spread out rupture's? or let caustic spatter do the work?

[gusty mirage]

echo rogues were also playing assassination wrong until today

so

idk

[grand trail]

all 6 rogues on fryak most likealy have branch

[gusty mirage]

ask them

[buoyant herald]

Kinda sounds like the only answer you’ll accept is from those players themselves and they’re not here so???

[gusty mirage]

it's well known kush and perfecto are not fans of ravenholdt anyway

[grand trail]

i will post it to kush after race and ask him for you oxci

[versed mica]

Spread rupturea if you need energy bad I think?

[gusty mirage]

you don't need to ask him anything on my behalf

[neat rain]

Branch is a must have considering its 4800 Mastery

[gusty mirage]

especially after his last temper tantrum in here

[grand trail]

i will im curious myself

[weak crescent]

its very tempting for me but im worried if im blindsiding on something

[versed mica]

I need to hear this story LOL

[hearty reef]

Now im curious

[grand trail]

i know he like to feelcraft and not always go with flow

[gusty mirage]

he came in asking about a trinket that wasn't implemented in simc yet, asking for sims, didn't like the answer that you can't sim it yet, proceeded to shit talk ravenholdt on his stream

[grand trail]

he was doing it whole ptr

[buoyant herald]

🍵

[versed mica]

??? Lmfao what

[gusty mirage]

good player

but god damn

[hearty reef]

[mellow bolt]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[versed mica]

Are all top .2% players that insufferable

[gusty mirage]

also the way him and perfecto were playing assassination lead to WAY too much DMs about it

to the point where idc what or why they do what they're doing

they're much better players than me

so

[dull cloak]

what are they doing that's dif

[upper spear]

how do i find the spell rotation a sim took to get to the DPS output?

[gusty mirage]

they're desyncing dance and kb

[grand trail]

oxi

they were doing it whole ptr

thats why

[young cypress]

so damage wise not really? And if i use the 10.1.5 set do i delay kingsbane so the nature dmg buff from deathmark expiring works on kingsbane?

[versed mica]

Lmfao

[gusty mirage]

brother

again

they're significantly better players than me

and nothing I say will change anyone's opinions on what they were doing

[grand trail]

he told me that he dont really trust ptr sims we had at the time

[outer cairn]

How were they playing wrong? I didn't see.

[balmy condor]

damn I didn't know saps throat could open wide enough to suck someone off that hard

[gusty mirage]

I'm just over addressing it

[grand trail]

which played dance before vanisg

[hexed willow]

Nah it’s efficient. Lets us save our aspect crests for other things. And we’d upgrade our second embellishment anyways. And isn’t something we’d replace

[balmy condor]

impressive

[gusty mirage]

I just don't care anymore

if I call them out I get made fun of for being a WR215 raider

if I don't call them out I have to hear about it for another month

there's no winning

[outer cairn]

maybe losing is winning.....

[balmy condor]

[versed mica]

As far as I know I don't believe so

[grand trail]

someone had to tell them thtat they playing wrong tho 😄

[outer cairn]

For the greater good

[balmy condor]

they don't give a fuck what we say

[grand trail]

but they change

[gusty mirage]

I'm just gonna enjoy wiping to nymue and larry and smolderon tomorrow

[flint tusk]

i mean not really.
if they're so good they can figure it out like the rest of us

[grand trail]

so they proapbly care

[gusty mirage]

and stay in my lane ig

everything in this video game has to be a cock measuring contest

and it's getting annoying lmao

[versed mica]

I would just get used to playing the way you should play for next tier set so you can get used to it

[gray crest]

what color is your IO big?

[gusty mirage]

orange I think

[stable atlas]

idk, isnt being open to new/other ideas a very important quality for a player of that caliber

[gusty mirage]

hbu

[cosmic socket]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slim pebble]

The only thing smaller than my IO is my penis

[hexed willow]

Engagement would be better if they cared

[gray crest]

also orange

[gusty mirage]

YOU TOO?

[outer cairn]

finished the battle of daz transmog set last night. pretty sweet nbd

[young cypress]

Yeah that's probably the best way! thankyou

[gusty mirage]

yea that ones sick af

I love that one

[balmy condor]

doesn't seem that way considering they shit on ravenholdt every patch and still lead the race

[slim pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/bros-bro-high-five-dillon-duke-gif-24818151

[gusty mirage]

I never did get the gloves though

[outer cairn]

I was missing cloak, pants, and boots. guy traded me the cloak, pants were in my mailbox, so i said F it and bought the boots

[stable atlas]

its like showing league pros how other items are way more efficient but they still build the same shit items cuz everyone says its good

or out of comfort

[hexed willow]

Rwf is also built differently

[slim pebble]

I asked Kush if he was gonna go dwarf last season just to make conversation and he roasted me on stream implying I was dumb lol

[hexed willow]

Like is everyone here swapping to engi?

[strange python]

for what?

[versed mica]

BFA belt knock back

[hexed willow]

Belt enchant from BFA for the knockback. Used on fyrrak

[versed mica]

[strange python]

oh god nope not me

[hexed willow]

Like they all swapped for that specific tech

[grand trail]

i did that falling dmg thing on razegath 😄

[gusty mirage]

I KNEW KEEPING ENGINEERING WAS GONNA PAY OFF

[sterile badge]

hi guys, new on assasination and using icyveins talent build.
I'm compelled with Sanguine Blades talent.
Is it a dps gain force myself to be >50% for most othe the encounter? or when it happens it happens??

[hexed willow]

I’m tempted to go engi bracers for this m+ season

[versed mica]

They have followers so they don't have to think, they just smash button and talk shit ✅

[strange python]

I got sick of not being able to use my boots or cloak in a lot of places, so i switched to alchemist for the extra phial duration

[versed mica]

During CDs you don't pool energy, when no CDs, you only pool when waiting for envenom buff is about to fall off

[dull cloak]

I think chaining envenom buff is more important. your energy will spike during deathmark anyways

[versed mica]

You just want to keep envenom buff up, esp with 4pc

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[balmy condor]

[versed mica]

Whispyr is based once again

[balmy condor]

or watch echo rogues idk they seem to know everything better anyways

fuck do I know

[daring comet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hexed willow]

Feels not reals

[versed mica]

Unfortunately they have bigger dicks than u whispyr sorry

[gentle belfry]

Is this unusual for any of you? A 476 belt/patch is outsimming trinks

[outer cairn]

i just wish it was tuesday so i could get 4pc

[balmy condor]

I'm sure you can have sap give you a gcd-by-gcd live action play of what they're doing on any given boss like a fucking courtroom stenographer

probably has the dudes stream up on 3 monitors just to get the immersive 270 degree viewing angle

[grand trail]

I did not watch any streams till now

I was locked in keys

[balmy condor]

real weird

cause you got more glaze for them than a donut factory

[grand trail]

Yeah I watched vods as I was interested what they are playing

[balmy condor]

perfect

go back to doing that then

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-in-4k-caught-in4k-chungus-gif-19840038

[grand trail]

No it's late I'm going to sleep

[dull cloak]

does 4p only proc if you have envenom buff?

[balmy condor]

thats how it works yes

[manic coral]

is 2 points into lethality and long arms > deeper strategem?

[balmy condor]

no

[versed mica]

I like new sin but tbh I miss ER

Its fun to play as sin

[stable atlas]

sub has ER hehe

[balmy condor]

sub also has dust though

major L

[stable atlas]

[harsh anchor]

dust ER

[daring comet]

is there any omega sheet that contains all dodgeable mechanics with evasion / skippable with vanish / cloak ?

[soft shale]

there is one button now that is hated more than dust

[stable atlas]

fuck ST

[blazing roost]

is there any weakaura that will show me the duration of cloak? not talking about the weakaura package, just a single weakaura for cloak

[versed mica]

I hated it before it was cool to hate it

[limber lion]

Slice*

[balmy condor]

whats the issue with tornado now

[soft shale]

does not work with blades

[deft vault]

dust is so bad fucking kils sub for me

[maiden tapir]

augury trinket a simbug or just ass?

[versed mica]

[soft shale]

so people get mindbroken

when they use blades and tornado on 2 target and get 2 cp

and ask me

[versed mica]

Sub really the bottom this patch goddamn

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah it doesn't work with blades, you fuckers bitched about it working with it until they got rid of it

[earnest remnant]

no problem

[soft shale]

it was a master stratagem with stealthi

so he could play assa

look he is enjoyng it

[balmy condor]

screaming about tornado

gets what was asked for

now screaming about tornado again

[stable atlas]

just give me 1min flag and +30% on bp

[soft shale]

sub is the only spec that has mind problems with getting good buttons

[earnest remnant]

i mentioned tornado once to realz

[versed mica]

Maybe sub should follow the yellow brick road that leads to the wizard of sin (play sin)

[fleet pagoda]

i went windowshopping for trinkets in between my everbloom runs, and branch is surprisingly not simming highest for me does branch gain value from 4pc? or, i guess, vice versa

[earnest remnant]

that i thought design wise it was dumb af, that we take our "meant to be" AoE ability on single target

and he aparrently thought so too

so good riddance

[balmy condor]

would assume you just simmed wrong

[earnest remnant]

fck tornado

[flint lotus]

How does Sanguine Blades work? Does it consume 2 energy per tick to make each tick stronger, or is it 2 energy extra on each application to make the whole thing stronger?

[balmy condor]

per tick

[flint lotus]

Sweet, thanks

[balmy condor]

2 energy on application would be nothing

[flint lotus]

Yeah figured

[cyan dew]

@balmy condor I'm seeing jpc using Thistle right after DM at 12sec and another at 6. It's worth it?

[versed mica]

Imagine needing to pool to refresh bleeds

[balmy condor]

no

[versed mica]

[balmy condor]

it's not worth it

but he's doing it for the burst

so it's whatever

[cyan dew]

oh

[soft shale]

man i did an atal with a coffe addicted VDH

he was just jumping pack to pack

[stable atlas]

every dh is an addict

not sure which substance tho

[soft shale]

it was a 22 and we got there with 13 mins

guess how long it took

[versed mica]

It's true, I'd be playing DH if it werent for momentum

I'm more addicted to MOVEMENT

[soft shale]

seems both the specs are kinda broken

he was doing 160k overall as tank

[tender osprey]

KB and SD safe to macro together yeah? doesnt matter which is first in the macro does it?

[lavish wing]

King Julien, is that u 😂

[gusty mirage]

you want to macro SD first

[soft shale]

you need dance first

[versed mica]

Sd first

[tender osprey]

thanks kings

[deft vault]

the fuck is dh lol

[versed mica]

I think you need to press the macro twice to make it work tho iirc

[deft vault]

rinket is top dam

[soft shale]

it can highroll yea

[lavish wing]

Only if the first time u press it u do it during gcd

[soft shale]

ok last 20 i need to do is rise

wish me luck my friends

[versed mica]

Ur gonna need it

[tender osprey]

i got a bunch of these macros on DK so im used to waiting for gcd, cast sequence macros are annoying

[versed mica]

Gl

[soft shale]

omegadepleted a 23 earlier

[upper spear]

in this sequence is the sim saying its ok to overcap CP if you're about to go into KB?

[lavish wing]

Gl Hacha

[soft shale]

first i need to get invited

[versed mica]

I believe so. I think it's better to keep your CDs synced than overcapping points

[stable atlas]

rise can be a bitch

[versed mica]

I ain't the expert tho

[stable atlas]

for me hardest key this week

[upper spear]

it could be asuming no crits

but idk

[versed mica]

I'd ask whispyr

[lavish wing]

Not sure about overlapping as assa is easy, if anything u fire more finishers on 4-5 cp

Overcapping*

[upper spear]

dont have an overcap issue, i think im botching my 1min 2min so i was breaking things down

[subtle kiln]

@balmy condor more - only playing 1 embelishment

[soft shale]

nice

[smoky leaf]

has anyone calculated how good Branch is for assassin if you accidently soak all 3 orbs of Branch instead of delaying the 3rd?

[lavish wing]

U get benched instantly

[soft shale]

it was less than 0,4 for assa

or smth like that

[hexed willow]

Why do trinkets do so much oO

[soft shale]

for usb it is ayaya do

[soft shale]

that trinket can just highroll like that

and dungeon fights are quite short

same as signet

if you perma pull and stay in combat sometimes it does 20%+ dmg on the boss

[balmy condor]

fucking what

[subtle kiln]

kush just has boots on, no patch

[balmy condor]

oh goodie

[subtle kiln]

assuming there werent any gear swaps. crafted boots and a ring

[muted haven]

is this better in tyrannical weeks?

[stable atlas]

maybe he has s2 patch

no diff right?

[subtle kiln]

nope

but it's not equipped

sitting at 481 ilvl, not getting that with 447

[balmy condor]

very cool

super duper cool

489 wrist with a socket doesn't beat 447 with a socket with toxic patch

but yeah

sick

awesome

[proven jasper]

Cant wait for all the people to ask why hes doing that

[soft shale]

need the stamina to survive for sure

that extra 5k hp

[hexed willow]

no embellishment new meta

[smoky leaf]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hexed willow]

Secret tech

[earnest remnant]

from what i saw they are playing boots + BSL

[balmy condor]

see now that

would be okay

[earnest remnant]

yeah just opened stream

they are

[smoky leaf]

ur saying u lose 0.4% of dmg from teh trinket if u do that?

[balmy condor]

at least something is right in the world

I've had enough stupid nonsense today

[subtle kiln]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/tarren-mill/Kusheð at some point at least lol

[glossy snow]

Is there a scenario where I would use shadowdance without kingsbane or is it safe to just macro them together?

[smoky leaf]

ur issue was not expecting stupid nonsense when you woke up today

[balmy condor]

actually true

[smoky leaf]

rofl

[plain moon]

Weedman no patch圣骑士同性恋坦克 No toxic rogue将圣洁涂抹在地板上 world first 吸引暴徒和其他男人 new meta只需按一个按钮 more ilvl更多的时间来实现自我愉悦 (Joe Biden) 昏昏欲睡的乔

[hexed willow]

Always expect the worst from people and you’ll never be let down

[limpid plinth]

Uuh is our boys killing today

[dull cloak]

I think only in m+

[glossy snow]

Thanks!

[balmy condor]

Idk if liquid kills today

[limpid plinth]

But echo will

[earnest remnant]

[hexed willow]

I’m rooting for an underdog

[stable atlas]

instant dollars

[earnest remnant]

best reason to root for liquid is to watch the twitter drama unfold afterwards

its BIS

[balmy condor]

yeah but you said our boys

[thick briar]

Best raid spec is the dance spec on wowhead i presume? 🙂

[balmy condor]

yes

[eternal heath]

I should be spamming Fall and EB for gear today

Instead I am leveling a warrior for some reason

[dull cloak]

if liquid wins they just spam 10 hr advantage

[stable atlas]

dont forget turning stream off

[limpid plinth]

So you hating on kush and perfecto? Why is that

[earnest remnant]

they shouldve just woken up 10 hours earlier then

[balmy condor]

idk if you've been following much of them but ravenholdt and those two aren't really what I'd call friendly

they take every opportunity to shit on our theorycrafting

and then we have to be the bad guys saying they're playing incorrectly when people show up confused

[earnest remnant]

and the bois at RH > Echo rogues

[balmy condor]

it's not a great spot to be in when your work gets shit on and then you also have to fight off people arguing that they're better than you therefore you're wrong

and doing it every tier

is getting pretty fucking old at this point

[hexed willow]

It’s pointless to have that fight

Because people don’t like being wrong

[subtle kiln]

echo tried to turn off the stream, but forgot to shut off the ip to china

[normal glacier]

Are there some issues with aug damage attribution with sin rogues atm?

[balmy condor]

I mean it's either I fight and defend the countless hours of work I do every patch, or I roll over and let people kick me in the face because two dudes halfway across the world decided they didn't care for what I had to say

[stable atlas]

maybe we should look at whaazz for rotational advice

[soft shale]

some hooks are weird but they are getting fixed

[strange python]

[Mathematical solutions] and [real world] don't always equal eachother. Especially not when your'e a player capable of playing at the top 0.1% of all players (and also surrounded by equally-abled players). A player like that can make a 3% mathematical difference disappear through proper play in other areas.

[soft shale]

ah

[glossy snow]

Lots of issues other than this, but these are the abilities that attribute no damage to the aug voker and would inflate the rogue's logs

https://gist.github.com/ljosberinn/a2f08a53cfe8632a18350eea44e9da3e#rogue

[twilit parcel]

1 of 2 obtained ❤️

[rustic palm]

guys its normaly i dps 120K with this stat ?

i think its normally

[crisp pine]

Polyvalence

[balmy condor]

[rustic palm]

xD vers

[soft shale]

how is vers in german

[rustic palm]

i end a donjon +18 with 120 max

[soft shale]

now im curious

damn that is some typo power

[rustic palm]

xDDDDDDDD

[stable atlas]

Vielseitigkeit

[soft shale]

what did you call me

[stable atlas]

[soft shale]

🦖

[midnight atlas]

too much Hàte

[rustic palm]

me?

[versed mica]

What is :3 in German

[midnight atlas]

its a pun on haste translation from german client

[limpid plinth]

So if your work doesnt work for them you get mad at them?

[crisp pine]

lol

[versed mica]

Most Twitter response I've seen in this disc

[wary bone]

yo guys how much mastery should i get before i start playing sin, my sin set atm only has 1800 mastery and i feel like my damage is really low. (in keys btw)

[balmy condor]

hit me 6cp kidney shot stunlocked irl, pretty banger response tbh

[versed mica]

[balmy condor]

I don't even know what I'm supposed to say to that

I explained the whole situation and 10 minutes later "so you're mad?"

crazy

[soft shale]

that is a pantera rosa

in my town

[hexed willow]

Were you mad though?

[versed mica]

Just play it anyways, there is no breakpoint to play sin. Just play and keep getting better gear, ez

[rugged sphinx]

is it possible to loot 2 nicks of time?

[soft shale]

not in the same dungeon yourself

but overall yess

[balmy condor]

given enough runs of it sure yeah

[rugged sphinx]

I have one, just ran a crap load of falls and yet to loot a second

Just wondering if theres some restriction

[soft shale]

or actually i lied sorry if you do keys above 25 you can get everyone loot and someone has some change to get 1 additional

so someone somewhere will loot 2 eventually

[astral spoke]

what m+ build you guys think is best?

[wary bone]

good point, i need more practice anyway

[earnest remnant]

i cant play like the bot that you Theorycrafted, so now im mad

[eternal heath]

Paging Tyran

[wary bone]

btw is there a way to get acrobatic strikes as sin without losing a bunch of damage?

going from outlaw range to sin range feels ASS

[eternal heath]

That's the spirit

[limpid plinth]

Well atleast i saw fast why they hating ravenhold 😄

[earnest remnant]

[balmy condor]

getting shit on for helping the community makes me the bad guy

[real stirrup]

you get used to kissing mobs

[tropic tundra]

Bro

[astral spoke]

I an having trouble deciding which m+ build to play as assasination could you guys help me to decide? which one you guys use?

[storm forum]

isnt acro only like -3% damage? I think its worth if you think you can get a significant amount of increased uptime with it

[strange python]

drop deeper

[versed mica]

Use the one that whispyr hates the most it would be funny

[tropic tundra]

Shock build for m+ is fun and easy

Also comes with tea

[earnest remnant]

gotta love the twitch chat / twitter hivemind, such intellectual takes all the time, we can only dream for a fraction of their powers

[tropic tundra]

Was it Russel who said that the basic problem of modern society is stupid people trust themselves while the wiser never do so

[jaunty warren]

Sadly is this world people with good reasoning backed by evidence are often shit on

It’s wrong but it happens

[balmy condor]

at the end of the day

[wary bone]

so something like this?

[balmy condor]

they are better players than me, no doubt

[gusty mirage]

ye

[strange python]

yeah sure, where'd your extra alacrity point go?

[balmy condor]

I couldn't give a fuck what they played

but don't pretend like what they're doing is better when it's shown not to be

[wary bone]

had to put it into the point above acro to get to acro

[balmy condor]

ain't my problem

they have reasons for why they do what they do

wrong or right

[gusty mirage]

it's not even worth it

[subtle kiln]

drop deadened nerves

[strange python]

ahh lol - do you have stillshroud then?

yeah that or stillshroud

[wary bone]

oh i didn't even realize i could drop that and still go down the tree

[wary bone]

don't run it

[strange python]

gotcha

you got an extra point spent somewhere else that i dont have in my f-around build

sshot that whole side

[wary bone]

prob the sprint talent, gotta go fast

featherfoot

[subtle kiln]

drop iron stomach if you want to keep DN

[strange python]

ahh i dont have ths blind aoe talent in this

yeah deadened nerves probably first to go (over alacrity)

[limpid plinth]

Either way i atleast appreciate your work @balmy condor and still rooting for lets then say my boys in echo

[gusty mirage]

I mean no one wants anyone to lose anything

the more representation rogue has in RWF the better for the community overall

they're damn good players, otherwise they wouldn't be in the guilds they're in, ya know?

[limpid plinth]

Yep thats why i came here to cheer

[deep wadi]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[wary bone]

i would agree if aug wasn't inflating our numbers, they're gonna get us nerfed

[strange python]

i mean so is PI so

[gusty mirage]

enjoy the main character status while it lasts my friend

[earnest remnant]

can they wait until i kill fyraak?

[gusty mirage]

ask speed to int hard

[strange python]

imagine getting nerfed cause of aug, pi, and issues with logs attributing numbers to the right place.

[gusty mirage]

cause they for sure wait for method to kill fyrakk for any drastic balancing changes

[earnest remnant]

looking at his vanish usage on smolderon, id say he did a valiant effort (just a joke speed i love you)

[gusty mirage]

don't bully speed, he's the homie

[twilit hollow]

[wary bone]

sin rogues gonna end up sitting on the bench with shadowpriest when blizz nerfs us cause of aug and pi

[balmy condor]

I appreciate you too, even if you are rooting for the people that hate me Thank you for the kind words

[gusty mirage]

perfect, that means I get to play the new poe league and get carried to CE in like a month

[wary bone]

lmaooo

[bold oracle]

same stats for m+?

crit mastery?

[strange python]

sure

[bold oracle]

any % of haste needed baseline?

[strange python]

no

just whatever the sims say

[tropic tundra]

Baseline stats are kinda meme in modern wow

Maybe not for certain casters

Surely not a thing in melees afaik

[lofty junco]

curious. why is only sub in smolderon? https://i.imgur.com/hi1uBeM.png

[odd dew]

anyone with both dagger wants to run +17 falls iwth me and trade me if they get because they are a kind soul

[tropic tundra]

Damage amp timer fits perfectly(~95sec)

[hearty reef]

Weedman no patch圣骑士同性恋坦克 No toxic rogue将圣洁涂抹在地板上 world first 吸引暴徒和其他男人 new meta只需按一个按钮 more ilvl更多的时间来实现自我愉悦 (Joe Biden) 昏昏欲睡的乔

[strange python]

hrmm

[lofty junco]

ty

[lavish wing]

That person exists? 🤔

[odd dew]

i met someonme that got them in 3 dungeons so yeah

[lavish wing]

Got 2 Nicks from 3 runs?????

[buoyant herald]

i got my first nick on day 2, haven't seen one since

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: **Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > Versatility**It's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[strange python]

which character does max or whatever play (that main dude that always does the interviews)

[quartz kraken]

whats the good priest M+ spec again

holy or disc

[tropic tundra]

The latter

[junior aurora]

he doesnt play in the raids anymore

[strange python]

sounds like his voice though in the jpc stream?

[gentle belfry]

Bump 🙂 Im just scared to use crests on crafted waist lol

[junior aurora]

yeah he raid calls

[strange python]

ahh

[junior aurora]

do you have toxic patch on anything else

[gentle belfry]

nope

thats why it's worth so much

[junior aurora]

yes

[gentle belfry]

I just didnt think it's be more than maxing branch but guess it is

[junior aurora]

you already have branch

[gentle belfry]

make a 489 or 476?

[junior aurora]

some more ilvls isn't going to be worth as much as an embellishment

[gentle belfry]

Evidently so mb

[soft shale]

finally free from rise

last rise i do all season

[junior aurora]

until title grind

[soft shale]

what title that is for sweaty people

[gentle belfry]

Preach

[soft shale]

did you already have a 19?

also tomorrow we blast this one for sure 1 shoit

[spark scaffold]

Is there a way to sim forced downtime at specific times, or to force the sim to drop alacrity?

[vestal wren]

is there a way - yes
is there a easy way - no

[sharp viper]

I wish I could drop alacrity

[spark scaffold]

Curious how much value the talent loses due to tindral feathers/inter and same for fyrakk

[vestal wren]

i thin it might be easier to just do a spell data overwrite

than change the apl for it

e.g. lower the buff duration of stacks for alacrity

the problem with changing the apl is, you need to guarantee that you don't just make it play terrible

[gentle belfry]

If I had to recraft a crafted belt w/ toxic armor patch, is there still a chance the ilvl would reduce?

[leaden sundial]

I don;t get it

[vestal wren]

If you want to change the apl, or do a spell data overwrite

[tropic tundra]

Depends on the crafter

[soft shale]

it will still roll on the bracket it is

[leaden sundial]

While sim from spreadsheet has like 2300 mastery

[soft shale]

but yes you would need the crafter to hit inspiration again

[spark scaffold]

yep, i don't think im good enough at this to simulate this

[vestal wren]

Best is to look at the simc apl wiki

[gentle belfry]

no way to guarentee rn? or can certain crafters do that already

[soft shale]

if it is 476 you can guarantee

but 486 still need to hit

[gentle belfry]

Hmm debating whether 486 is worth crafting at this point then

[leaden sundial]

why is assa stat priority mast / crit when in sims mastery is not that high stat. Is it because of trinket ?

[gentle belfry]

before secondary stats settle

[spark scaffold]

dropping DS + alacrity for acro + lethality is a 4% loss but is it really when alacrity is dropped multiple times during the fight?

that's what im wondering basicly

[strange python]

because all things there work in relation to eachother. So likely yes, the trinket.

[balmy condor]

Very little

[gentle belfry]

@soft shale what do you think? crests better used elsewhere for now?

[spark scaffold]

well the problem is that your deathmarks on tindral (up until the very last one one) are always with 0 alacrity stacks

[proper forum]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[spark scaffold]

so its also dropped before the "important" moment

(you DM pull, shields, 6:40)

[strange python]

You've gotta understand (and i know you do) what you're simming. In a perfect world, with 100% uptime, and a perfect rotation, those talent changes result in a 4% loss. We don't play in that vacuum.

[junior aurora]

you also need alacrity to get deeper stratagem

[lament oracle]

is it worth to drop old 4 set for 2 set of the new one?? (as assassination or outlaw)

[leaden sundial]

Thank you . IT was just a bit confusing

[spark scaffold]

yy, i'm talking acro + lethality vs DS + alacrity

[junior aurora]

i mean you can do that, its just gonna be a dps loss

but if more uptime from acro then maybe worth for you

[spark scaffold]

yea, i understand, but i would love to see just how much of a sim loss it is, because 4% is not the "accurate" number

even if its 3% instead of 4, still can make a difference on these bosses

[junior aurora]

also haste isnt snapshotted

so you’ll be getting alacrity back before cds even go up/ run out

[strange python]

Right yeah, i agree.

[clever niche]

finally got double nick of time, only took 50 runs

[sand mica]

holy

i dont have one yet

[cyan dew]

it's worth it or not to use rupture during nightstalker?

[clever niche]

if envenom wont run out and it needs refreshing it's fine

[cyan dew]

oh, envenom is priority during kingsbane?

[slate crown]

You can rupture during kingsbane if your envenom uptime is fine, if envenom will not drop you don't need to cast envenom. You should just rupture normally (if it is in pandemic range).

[cyan dew]

got it. tyvm

[gentle belfry]

Craft 486 belt now or craft 476 and prio those crests for trinket upgrades and wait for secondary stats to settle?

[soft shale]

the smart idea is to craft 476

too many things need aspects

[slow wing]

Do people macro branch into DM or is it a gain to pop it beforehand?

[gentle belfry]

ty 🙂

Has anyone had to trade-down Aspect's crests for Wyrms due to having too many? Is this advisable?

[jade blade]

is there still a Feint spreadsheet for where it actually works

[balmy condor]

Sounds like an awful idea

[gentle belfry]

Okay got it lol

[balmy condor]

No

[jade blade]

lame

[sonic schooner]

used to have one but it s not updated since like S2 SL

!bos

[gusty mirage]

oh sweet summer child

that command is long gone

I tried bringing it back last tier

but I just didn't have the time to make it happen

[balmy condor]

Yeah, that’ll happen when there’s a billion people that just want an answer and only 2-3 people who actually give enough of a shit to go find out

[gusty mirage]

I got as far as filling out the dungeon names, bosses, and major trash

and never being able to test anything

lol

[balmy condor]

Pog

[random oasis]

hey, I'm looking to pick up rogue sin as an alt for the first time ever would you suggest starting with the utilitarian build and work from that or jump straight to the arterial shock?

how much "easier" is the utilitarian build compared to the standard one, is what I'm asking, really

[strange python]

no easier - just play shock imo

[slate crown]

Honestly, I wouldn't even really call utilitarian easier. You have acro which makes managing the environment easier, but you lose tea, which makes managing your energy harder

[ember mural]

hacha started something like book of shadows again i think

[gusty mirage]

trust me

I'm well aware

[vestal wren]

to shameless plug this

[random oasis]

okay, thanks, guess I'll go with standard shock build then

[vestal wren]

!atro exists for a while now, i just haven't rly promoted it

[prisma monolith]

Atrophic poison in Raid: link

[gusty mirage]

I'm a big fan of that sheet title

banger

[vestal wren]

haha yes

[strange python]

not-logging-in-til-tuesday crew checking in

[robust gull]

!oh

[prisma monolith]

Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.

[balmy condor]

Atropic

[gusty mirage]

🥭

that's atropic

[thorny pond]

That’s a mango

More like “man go to bed”

[tropic tundra]

Bro

[balmy condor]

The entire country of Saint Lucia? God damn

[gusty mirage]

MANGOS ARE TROPICAL FRUITS

[soft shale]

will take a while right now i only have fall done

but today i will continue with rise

after i make the fall video

[tropic tundra]

All fruits are better in tropical zone

[balmy condor]

But are they a tropic

[distant fox]

i play with acro instead of tea (onyl change) and the rest is shock lol

[tropic tundra]

Sugar is poison?

[gusty mirage]

WOAH

[random oasis]

sorry, follow up question for single target this time. between the 3 build posted on wowhead: dance, no dance and bone spike

[gusty mirage]

you leave sugar alone

[random oasis]

which one would be the most "all purpose" to start with

[gusty mirage]

dance

[distant fox]

i pay standart dance cause its the most similar

[gusty mirage]

you're gonna end up playing some sort of variation of the dance build in pretty much all content

[ornate pier]

if i macro mutilate, it will proc my blindsite?

[random oasis]

thanks, that's what i wanted to know

[gusty mirage]

mutilate will automatically swap to ambush with blindside procs so you should be good to go

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Only problem is it breaks in a cast sequence macro

But that’s easily solved

[ornate pier]

i mean i liked old way to have 2 binds, mutilate and ambush

[balmy condor]

By not using a cast sequence macro

[gusty mirage]

me too man

[ornate pier]

so macro doesnt work for it ?

[balmy condor]

No

[ornate pier]

[gusty mirage]

you can do a stance macro for ambush when in stealth/dance; mutilate outside of dance

and it'll ambush on blindside procs

[balmy condor]

You’d have to cancelaura the blindside to cast a mutilate

[gusty mirage]

but yeah unless you cancelaura blindside you're stuck ambushing

[random oasis]

are there moments when you want to save your blindside proc?

[balmy condor]

No

[random oasis]

isn't it always best to use ambush over mutilate?

so i would be annon issue "being stuck ambushing"

i apologize if the questions seems dumb, literally never played rogue before

[distant fox]

its definetly not dumb

if i heared it correctly its like a 0,x % gai nin kingsbane to mutilate?

[tropic tundra]

I asked something about that here a few days ago

[distant fox]

something awkward

[tropic tundra]

Yeah that one but its meaningless irl

[slate crown]

I mean you can't really save your proc, all you can do is not cast a builder. You are not capable of casting mutilate when blindside is procced.

[tropic tundra]

And we never wait to build cp

[distant fox]

would never play around a 0,x gain, just dont fail a single thing and oyu pretty much have the increase xD

[balmy condor]

Even better than that

It’s a 0,0x gain

[tropic tundra]

[balmy condor]

[distant fox]

could be a sim error tbh xD

[tropic tundra]

Still good thing in terms of tc

These small stuffs make me feel like playing a real rpg

[balmy condor]

On low iteration shitty plebian default raidbots yeah

[dull cloak]

isn't there something about mutilate can apply lethal poison twice because it's using both hands, but ambush is only mainhand

[distant fox]

so you are telling me..? you simmed it so many times that you can say its definetly a gain but pretty much not existent?

[gusty mirage]

ya

[balmy condor]

Correct, I just told raidbots to keep going until it knew

And then it knew

[rose adder]

is there a command for reccomended wa

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gentle belfry]

If branch and sandglass are simming the same the same % increase at 483, is there still one I should upgrade over the other first? from 470

[rose adder]

ty ty

[balmy condor]

Branch is better in aoe I guess

[wild beacon]

when you see someone else get a branch in your 40th everbloom

[balmy condor]

But if the upgrades are simming equally good

Then they’re equal

[tropic tundra]

Also branch minigame is hurting me

[gentle belfry]

Just wondering if the value of branch is less consistent due to how it has to be used; Im not that great at delaying 3rd orb tbh

[balmy condor]

Run right run left afk

[quiet oar]

So one question, just to make Sure i understood it right

We envenom in a chain, so we build to 4+ cps and Pool until envenom Pandemic and build again to 4+ cps and Pool again. If we run out of energy to Maintain it, we wait Till 80% energy and Do this cycle again. Ofc outside of any Windows and maintaining bleeds simultaneously

[thorny aurora]

one dagger down...

only one more to go...

[balmy condor]

Yes

[bleak ivy]

shouuld I macro deathmark with branch?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[quiet oar]

Ok thanks whisp

[bleak ivy]

do you have the macro rq?

to copy

[balmy condor]

Yes

[bleak ivy]

I did one everbloom and got the trinket im happy af

[balmy condor]

/cast Deathmark
/use 13

[bleak ivy]

13 is first or 2nd slot

[balmy condor]

First

[thorny aurora]

first

[bleak ivy]

ty

So generally I take 2 orbs and let the last one come?

[dark token]

You usually kite it around a bit further than ur last orb collect point

I go left, right, then forward or more right a bit

For an extra 3s

I usually collect it around 6 sec left on kingsbane

If u just plant after 2nd orb I think u get 1/1/4 timing

This way it's 1/1/7

[void mesa]

Has anyone tested if the orbs have sort of a cap? Like, if you kite it for 20s, does it still chase you or auto snap?

[crisp pine]

despawns after a while

[dark token]

Despawns after 10s since last orb

Or 20s since start of trinket

[outer lodge]

Is there an optimal place to bind Troll Berserking racial to, or should I just have a serparte bind?

[torn atlas]

Is it 2 mintue? Then macro to dm would be my guess.

[outer lodge]

its 3m

[tropic tundra]

3min maybe but still dm i suppose

Or kb?

Prob duration issue

[bleak ivy]

is branch and signet best setup?

[slate crown]

My testing is orbs are always simply active for 20 seconds, regardless of other pickups.

(At least, that's what I was able to find with simple tests, and that's what I do in the aura)

[hexed willow]

For single target yes

[bleak ivy]

and m+?

[tropic tundra]

Signet is kinda weird in keys especially if theres a long off combat time

Also little self damage and ramping up til max

[hexed willow]

Pretty sure it’s branch and pips

[bleak ivy]

Alright

[hexed willow]

With hourglass behind it

[tropic tundra]

Yeah most melees get alternative passive ones

[bleak ivy]

Branch will take some time to get used to

[tropic tundra]

At least we don’t have to farm fyrakk tank trinket to prog keys

[bleak ivy]

whats the trink?

[tropic tundra]

tainted Rageheart?

[bleak ivy]

ah

[tropic tundra]

Baseline aoe damage, shield, self damage, vers maybe

[bleak ivy]

do you guys kite the last orb even inn huge AoE situations

[hexed willow]

I don’t even kite the orb. I grab 1 and let the rest come to me

[bleak ivy]

and does it work well?

[cyan dew]

Do I ever refresh rupture with less than 4 cp?

[ivory kernel]

If you have a moment rokas, go play with the trinket on a target dummy, youll see the buff, and you can see the interaction with the next orbs and decide what you wanna do. Generally speaking, grabbing 2 and holding one to extend the duration gives better uptime on the buff. I havent gotten my hands on it yet, but Invisahbull is also doing it efficently from what ive seen.

[hexed willow]

It’s been fine for me

Like if it’s a static boss then yeah you can move and kite

But if there’s movement I’ll grab one and then not worry

[robust scaffold]

hey guys, a bit of an intricacy I wanna clear up. watching some zerocool M+ vods, it looks like he opens:

garrote -> snd -> garrote -> mut/ambush -> rupture -> deathmark -> shiv -> dance kingsbane -> THEN first envenom

on our wowhead page, it looks like the opener should be:

garrote -> mut/ambush -> rupture -> mut/ambush -> snd -> mut/ambush -> first envenom -> THEN deathmark -> shiv -> dance kingsbane

is this just zero's muscle memory/his own not giving a fuck about optimizing something to the numbers, or is there something I'm not understanding yet about the rotational differences? Does this discrepancy not really matter?

[strange python]

You want the envenom up for the application of kingsbane - mathematically

[keen spruce]

zero don't gaf about what's right

[robust scaffold]

that's what im saying

it looks like he doesn't

💀

[keen spruce]

bruh looking at vods or random m+ runs

doesn't tell you anything

the opener is not going to make or break your key

or make any meaning ful difference

to anything

complete exercise in futiltiy

to learn from vods like that

[robust scaffold]

then what do I learn from?

[keen spruce]

wowhead guide and reps

[topaz horizon]

from experience

[cyan dew]

Do I ever refresh rupture/garrote with less than 4 cp?

[keen spruce]

vods are super helpful about like m+ fundamentals

[slate crown]

yeah, vods are good for "What packs did they decide to use cooldowns on"

[keen spruce]

like how peopel survive packs

positioning

[robust scaffold]

what's the difference between learning from written bullet points on a webpage telling me my rotation and someone actually showing it to me on a video?

[keen spruce]

CD mangement

[slate crown]

but not like gcd/gcd/gcd

[buoyant herald]

i think its a very important lesson on a few points
a) many of these optimisations are very small
b) just because a top m+ or raid player does something different doesn't mean they're right or the theorycrafting is wrong

[merry spire]

just because it's on wowhead doesn't mean it's the optimal rotation, i played with high end people who think wowhead is a joke lol

[tropic tundra]

You can sleep watching vids

[robust scaffold]

that's exactly what I'm doing

[keen mist]

Home cooked, is it burnt

[keen spruce]

what i'm saying is that disecting the opener

[earnest remnant]

ayo who snitched

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-issues-gif-13031152103567454559

[keen spruce]

is not useful

[robust scaffold]

trying to understand the spec starting with some fundamentals of its openers on bosses and trash pulls

[keen spruce]

i'm almost 3k and i'm just pressing buttons man

get some garrotes out

get some ruptures out

get an env somewhere in there

get a CT up eventually

spatter at asome point

[merry spire]

turn monitor on and smash buttons, youll win

[keen spruce]

rip CDs

don't die

[robust scaffold]

i fucking love that for you LMAO

[lucid rain]

roll bursting then cloak

[keen spruce]

the order all of that happens in is not super important

[robust scaffold]

you got 2 nicks and 4pc tier ?

[keen spruce]

I do, but i was doin the same thing before i did

[topaz horizon]

stoneform if no cloak

[earnest remnant]

you would vanish mid first dance on the burn, after your sectech cast, to get 2x sectech and 3x dance into it, dont know how big a difference that would make, but id reckon a bit

[robust scaffold]

explains a lot, dope

[lucid rain]

another important aspect of m+ is letting the dh do all the work on trash

[keen spruce]

the biggest thing is just gettin in there

and getting reps

learning what pulls you like to do 9 garrotes on vs 6

how many ruptures you can get away with on certain health pools

sending CDs early or holding for all of your bleeds

yada yada

[robust scaffold]

mf idek what you're referring to when you just said 9 garrotes vs 6, idek what energy pooling is, I don't even have 2pc new tier equipped yet

[keen spruce]

stuff that just comes with playing the dungeons a bunch

[keen mist]

Hey I’m just outlaw one trick

[keen spruce]

o in that case

[junior aurora]

if you dont know what energy pooling is check out the wowhead guide

[robust scaffold]

the wowhead guide doesn't do a good job explaining it at all

it explains HOW to pool effectively

not why im pooling i think

[keen spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdpGDTwuSqRBdXYnMBF1ayg

whispyr has some longer format explainations

[dull cloak]

it means u hold off on smashing your buttons to let energy regen

[keen spruce]

in video form

[robust scaffold]

yessss that's what i want

amazing

[keen spruce]

might clear things up a bit

[lucid rain]

that smiley face at the end hides so much malice

[keen spruce]

also wrote the wowhead guides

[junior aurora]

its also the same guy that does the guides

[keen spruce]

so it'll be consistent info

[robust scaffold]

yes amazing

[earnest remnant]

it does explain why

[tropic tundra]

Exactly

They can be a bit harder to find

[sick abyss]

Man slowly weaving envenoms, spec is so fucking chill

[tropic tundra]

But wowhead guides do provide 99% of the infos needed

[robust scaffold]

yes it explains it with such scarcity that I almost don't understand what it means by "higher uptimes on effects like envenom"

[junior aurora]

what don't you understand

thats why you do it, to keep maximum uptime on the envenom buff

[tropic tundra]

Envenom and sanguine

Thats why he called them effects

[robust scaffold]

I mean it doesn't matter what I don't understand, bc mfs telling me I just play the spec by mashing garrotes and mutilates and envenoms when I feel like it

[tropic tundra]

Bro

[sick abyss]

Read the talents my guy, you gotta do some work

[tropic tundra]

Then its their problem

[junior aurora]

that isn't what you should take away from what shmeeps said

[topaz horizon]

Whispyr made videos, especially on pooling @robust scaffold

[tropic tundra]

Are you blaming the guide bc of that

[dull cloak]

do you understand envenom also gives a buff

[junior aurora]

shmeeps was saying don't be so strict and follow exactly what streamers are doing

[robust scaffold]

no? who said anything about blaming 💀

[junior aurora]

just get bleeds out and spatter up and then do cooldowns basically

[tropic tundra]

Very funny

[robust scaffold]

yes im looking through his channel rn, looking forward to the content

[bold oracle]

first time playing assa rogue in raid, do u guys use any macros to combine thistle tea with shadow dance, or shadow dance with kings bane at the same time, something like that?

[robust scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUCMW1aJUZs

[bold oracle]

or everything manual

[robust scaffold]

This is the video I need to be seeing

[craggy oak]

Just look at latest tier list on subcreation and install hekili then blast

[junior aurora]

just shadow dance and kingsbane

[earnest remnant]

[junior aurora]

tea is used at a specific time in the kingsbane window so you can't really macro it to anything

[bold oracle]

yeah i read about that

[sick abyss]

I macro it to dance, then manually use it at 6 seconds out of bane

[earnest remnant]

[strange python]

!pooling i think also explains why

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[junior aurora]

yeah thats just bad lol

[sick abyss]

Why is that bad ?

[junior aurora]

because you're going to have no tea charges for energy

[dull cloak]

I think that wastes 1 tea

[tropic tundra]

Idk i think sanguine is in the right place after 4pc

[strange python]

You macro shadow dance to tea?

[junior aurora]

no

dont

[bold oracle]

when do u se thistle tea apart from kingsbane window then?

[junior aurora]

when you need energy

[dull cloak]

and u end up with no tea for when u later need jt

[earnest remnant]

Tea is for the last 6sec of KB not the first 6

[strange python]

If you're low on energy and about to cap on charges

[sick abyss]

I have 4 piece, no energy issues on my end

[strange python]

or like you want some tea

[robust scaffold]

when you're pooling, am I just sitting not casting shit until im at around 80% energy, like the TLDR states?

[junior aurora]

4piece doesn't help with energy?

[tropic tundra]

Tea time.

[craggy oak]

First 6 secs of kingsbane do giga nothing compared to the end

[strange python]

sometimes you just feel that Blindside proc coming - and you're like yeah if i tea now, i'm gonna be 240 energy without having to stop.

[sick abyss]

Jpc pretty sure does that haha

[dull cloak]

uncle iroh hates it when you waste good tea

[junior aurora]

yea

[strange python]

yeah pretty much

[earnest remnant]

doesent make it right to do

[sick abyss]

But you have 3 chargers.

[junior aurora]

well you effectively have 1 charge

[strange python]

I mean if you got a burst window you're about to go into,and you're low on energy, and everything else is lined up - there's nothing inherently wrong with using a tea to get into your burst as well.

[craggy oak]

Being one of the best raiders in the world, does not meen he is playing rogue correct 100% of the time

[junior aurora]

yes you can use tea for energy

[sick abyss]

So your only using your tea chargers at last 6 seconds of bane, then what do you use them if your 4 piece chaning?

[junior aurora]

for energy

you will run out of energy 4pc chaining

[earnest remnant]

for whenever you need the energy

[strange python]

Just because you saw jpc do it doesn't mean it's right or wrong (is my point) - he either had a reason to do it or he just misplayed a little.

[earnest remnant]

you are gonna run out of energy

[sick abyss]

Bro the guy does that and ends up pulling 700k openers, like it's hard to say he ain't doing damage

[earnest remnant]

openers =/= overall dps gain

[junior aurora]

he also has aug and pi and 20 ilvls on you

[earnest remnant]

i can also send 2x vanish and chain 2 trinkets in a row to hit 900+k as sub

that doesent make it good to do

[strange python]

I was cracked outta my mind when i saw my dmg as sub on last boss everbloom though

[junior aurora]

shoulda seen assa damage before they nerfed the double dip

[craggy oak]

You just replied to a made up sentence. That's not what I said.

[strange python]

oh yeah i remember

but i was lower ilvl before they fixed it

[buoyant herald]

jpc could be doing 750k if he played right

[strange python]

751k if he really min/maxed maybe

[craggy oak]

760 if he used rotation helper

[sick abyss]

So you all use tea on the last 6 seconds then use the other chargers to help you not be starved ?

Do you all have 4 piece ?

[strange python]

760.01 if he mut over ambush from stealth though

[tropic tundra]

[earnest remnant]

4 piece doesent effect your energy income

it just changes the way you play around energy

[bold oracle]

do we use kingsbane at 0 cp?

[strange python]

There's no reason to not play that way now really though (pre 4p)

[earnest remnant]

in so making you want to chain together as many envenoms as possible for the 4p dmg

[sick abyss]

Well pooling affects it

[strange python]

unless you really wanna get technical with sanguine blades

[earnest remnant]

having 4p or not

[sly jetty]

hey guys, where can i find the damage done from poison bomb in warcraftlogs? its not listed under "damage done"

[earnest remnant]

does not change your energy income at all

[earnest remnant]

under envenom

[sly jetty]

ah, thanks 😄

[earnest remnant]

with the new 4p all it does is make you wanna chain envenom casts, for as long as its possible, you are however restricted in how long you can do this because of your energy / having to refresh rupture etc, but to keep the chain going for longer is where you would use Tea charges for energy, but always keeping one for kingsbane

[sick abyss]

Thanks for the explanation

[sly jetty]

is it worth to play the arterial shock build in high m+ keys? im not so sure about that. hard to grasp the effect of sudden demise and shiv in all of that

[strange python]

yeah it's fine to play

[craggy oak]

Depends on the key and week

[strange python]

It's fine to play on any key and any week

[craggy oak]

Fort its super good everywhere.

Tyrannical some keys like a bit more st

[craggy oak]

I meen sure, he said high, so I imagine at the point he cares about some level of optimisation

[glossy snow]

Hey y'all! Sorry to bother, but I was trying to write down the general assassination opener. Why do we do another rupture during the kingsbane window if rupture isn't about to fall off or did I write the opener down wrong?

(During Cooldown)
Death Mark (Trinket + Potion) > Shiv > Shadow Dance + Kingsbane > Garrote > Envenom > Ambush > **Rupture **> Shiv > Thistle Tea (Last 6 seconds of kingsbane)

[ornate grotto]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lucid rain]

you can use your last second of nightstalker from vanish to refresh rupture

[soft shale]

you are in shadow dance so it gets NS

[hexed willow]

Its a minor dps gain, you can also do it at the end

[glossy snow]

Ohhhh that makes so much sense thanks y'all

[hexed willow]

NS rupture isn’t that big of a deal compared to imp garrote

[strange python]

I only see one rupture in the opener

for ST

[glossy snow]

Oh when I said another I mean during the opener after the pre-opener

[strange python]

Where did you get that text at

that you pasted in

[sly jetty]

Is Arterial Precision also working for existing bleeds? or only the new ones put after shiv. i think about opening with shiv from stealth and then putting on all my bleeds

[spice surge]

It works on all bleeds, not just ones applied afterwards

[sly jetty]

great

[strange python]

don't open with shiv hah

[sly jetty]

yeah, wont do after this information

[cerulean walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-gif-17724767053957928195

Nick of Time Farming

[sharp falcon]

16ilvl on OH enough to make worth equipping over lower ilvl dagger?

[earnest remnant]

[strange python]

i mean i dont understand the question though lol

[calm tendon]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[craggy oak]

*screenshot

[strange python]

if it's for nick of time, probably

[sharp falcon]

fine, was hoping for some conventional wisdom tho >_<

[cerulean walrus]

You know us

Realz

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/they-seeme-trollin-troll-hater-meme-gif-11910196

[cerulean walrus]

What else did you expect?

[faint tapir]

https://gyazo.com/fb25846551c0badf231e740c191a337f

this is a fine breakdown in m+?

rupture 2nd sounds weird

[spice surge]

My guess is that its about equal. For me a 24 ilvl was 0.3% increase