assassination

[balmy condor]

this is a short 1 target

[exotic pulsar]

fffff

i need totem 😦

[daring spoke]

windfury is huge for all rogue specs

[balmy condor]

yeh

[neat horizon]

HAHAHAH bro these are gold

Maintenants mode big

[daring spoke]

poorly drawn rogue guides best guides

[frozen iris]

Im having a hard time understanding that lol.

[strange python]

what happens when we're out of IC and the pack is not dead

do we just tab

[balmy condor]

death

[strange python]

or do we just pretend its st

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh depends how long they're alive for

if they're gonna live another 20 seconds

go for it, slap some bleeds out

if it's more like 10 then whats the point

[slate crown]

Yeah at that point

I just tab and dot to pretend that I'm doing something useful

[balmy condor]

rule 1 is have enough energy for the whole pack always and forever and if you don't have energy then the dps gods smite you from the heavens until your corpse lay charred and bare

so

[slate crown]

and just focus on kicks or whatever

[balmy condor]

whatever you need to do

to obey the gods

[junior aurora]

start sniping rupture casts to get full energy returns

[balmy condor]

and then from there just make your determination if it's worth

[slate crown]

yeah

[grand trail]

I don't blame like every rogue on race play embersould instead branch as branch is fucking not friendly since you kinda in movement every time

[balmy condor]

that's not why they do that

but yeah

true

real

[junior aurora]

(they do it because they don't have branch)

[grand trail]

Even if they play branch they just collect all 3 asap as they can't CBA doing some orb mini game during mythic end boss mechanic's

[slate crown]

You know, you can hold your branch trinket for a few seconds after deathmark if you want

[exotic pulsar]

SD duh

[slate crown]

and not mini game it

[balmy condor]

yeah except don't do that

[slate crown]

and be like within 1%

[daring spoke]

clearly the optimal trinkets are embersoul and crab because your raidlead will give pips to someone else, and branch might get you killed

[junior aurora]

true

[exotic pulsar]

i refresh all my bleeds right beofre SD window

/s

[junior aurora]

but actually its branch and crab because thats what im using

[strange python]

This at the end of opener

whats up

[exotic pulsar]

whispyr legit about to rage

[oak tangle]

if you a lazy ass, you can put branch on kb macro and stand still

[steel ridge]

Sure…

[strange python]

just to get a max length empowered garrote?

[junior aurora]

you say that but its literally true lol

[mighty nexus]

dummy sim ?

[strange python]

yea

[balmy condor]

the optimal trinkets are actually midas and sandglass because it drops for everyone constantly and you don't have crab cause throne sucks and you have 15 sandglasses from farming the nick

[mighty nexus]

mine was doing the same, confused tf out of me

[balmy condor]

when did you sim this

[strange python]

literally just now

[balmy condor]

linkie pls

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8oDKysNYGp7XStHAFSfZVn

[grand trail]

That's the fun part, on many fight you can't just stand still

[balmy condor]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/a852df4f362e541f5d59caff4d0ac4230ea59a9c

cause this should've fixed that

[steel ridge]

Kush definitely has a branch

[daring spoke]

accurate and correct

[balmy condor]

aight

we found it

GG

[strange python]

whats up

[grand trail]

And he collect all orbs asap

[strange python]

is this the wrong one

[grand trail]

As there is no time do it later

[flat sentinel]

damn thats a low sim with 4p lol im like 194k with 2-2

[clever perch]

Hey i got my crab trinket

[balmy condor]

well weekly hasn't updated in 3 days

cause it's weekly

[strange python]

no buff

oh ok

[flat sentinel]

ohhh

[strange python]

so daily then

[balmy condor]

always latest

no reason not to

[strange python]

ok

[steel ridge]

Ye probably. I am sticking to my hc embersoul and not gonna bother with cringe branch

[balmy condor]

if latest breaks then the alarm bells are GIGA ringing and you'd know

[grand trail]

So technically branch is SIM bait

[junior aurora]

no

[strange python]

it is not

[balmy condor]

nightly is like latest for people that love to be scared about latest

[slate crown]

It really isn't

[strange python]

its pretty good

[balmy condor]

and weekly is for chumps who don't sim

[steel ridge]

Its good

[balmy condor]

[junior aurora]

best, even

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[steel ridge]

but so is embersoul

[slate crown]

Yes, embersoul is also a good trinket

[balmy condor]

I mean if you decide to play badly, then everything is simbait

[strange python]

anybody know wheres a good st dummy?

[junior aurora]

volcoross

[strange python]

too many things fuck with valdrakken

[steel ridge]

and i will never prison myself again for 0.5% gain

[mighty nexus]

the ones in SL covenants are pretty empty

[grand trail]

I'm not decidecing anything just saying that nobody play it in race and even if so they don't CBA about delay of orbs

[strange python]

do they randomly drop to low hp tho

[mighty nexus]

i haven't noticed them doing it

[grand trail]

And I'm on nymue rn and I already have to deal with orbs during flowers soak

[balmy condor]

if they had a high level branch they would play it, and if they cared for their damage they would delay the orbs

but that's a tall order when some unnamed rogues in the race aren't snapshotting their kingsbane with dance because of feelcraft

so

it is what it is

[steel ridge]

haha and in those moments you wish you could just fire and forget

[balmy condor]

branch is perfectly fine

[slate crown]

Here's the thing about branch

you can just fire and forget

if you want

[balmy condor]

people will play poorly and that's their right as a human being

[grand trail]

You don't

[balmy condor]

but that doesn't make sims bad

that makes humans bad

[junior aurora]

yeah you dont pay their sub

[mighty nexus]

I don't get the issues w branch, you just strafe left, right, and stand there and parse

[steel ridge]

you could, and then you have to sprint away and step around, while delaying the orbs till they despawn (do they?)

[grand trail]

I can't wait to get to smolderon and chase fire orbs and branch orbs at the same time

[balmy condor]

we specifically make sure that the simulation does not play at an inhuman level. There's limits to the logic that we simply do not implement because it's not reasonable for someone to execute on

[grand trail]

Which will be next week

[slate crown]

20s despawn timer

[balmy condor]

branch is not one of those

[oak tangle]

but the branch orbs chase you

[slate crown]

if you are "chasing" orbs you fundamentally don't udnerstand the trinket

[grand trail]

They will not catch you in time if there is movement

Spoiler alert there is lot

[oak tangle]

i mean if you keep running

sure

[steel ridge]

I played around with various collect timers and came to the conclusion that embersoul is my trinket of choice ♿

[grand trail]

Sorry I'm melee I have to run with mechanics / boss

[oak tangle]

but why are you doing donuts around smolderon

[slate crown]

And that's perfectly fine.

[daring spoke]

just be happy, you sin players get to actually sync branch with your deathmark

[steel ridge]

If you sim like 2/4/6 or something, it’s mostly even anyway so, i rather extract my skill out of the vault by looting 489 nicks

[oak tangle]

the point where you would want your branch orbs on smolderon, there is only circles going around him, i don't understand how you can find it difficult to grab your orbs

[grand trail]

Branch is like mile ahead of embersoul in sim

But in logs embersoul gamers are among top

[thorn bobcat]

because humans clearly are able to play as well as the simbot

[mighty nexus]

thats bc most of the people in those logs havent farmed branch

[grand trail]

They did that's lie everyone did

[daring spoke]

part of its because embersoul requires less optimization
the other is that not having branch is still a common thing rn

[junior aurora]

its week 2

[slate crown]

#assassination message

[grand trail]

I'm telling that everyone what want to have branch

[junior aurora]

its not unheard of for people to not have branch lol

[oak tangle]

205% of statistics are made up on the spot

[grand trail]

Have it

[mighty nexus]

cap

[clever perch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1S6ZhmS3g5wJ3vDQTGX8Lq nelth trinket ftw

[balmy condor]

yeah turns out week 2 logs with funneled split gear and a trinket that's around 1% to 1.5% worse doesn't actually overwhelm the top spots in all the logs when a spec has a 15% swing from rng

[daring spoke]

im in a trinket hellscap, i have fukin spiked counterweight and bandolier

[balmy condor]

weird

no clue how that could happen

[grand trail]

But people CBA playing on progress since every end boss have mechanics it prevent you from playing it optimally

[strange python]

whats the mastery marginal cutoff

[slate crown]

Pain

[strange python]

40%?

[balmy condor]

you mean for dr?

[thorn bobcat]

i’m js people are probably still doing rotational mistakes and losing uptime due to rng which surely amounts to more than the difference in the trinkets

[strange python]

yea

[balmy condor]

uhhhhhhhhh

no clue

[daring spoke]

at least bandolier is useable on sub, counterweight is just so badge

[strange python]

yo im 24 runs into fall and have not seen a nick of time drop

[balmy condor]

I think one of the DR breakpoints is 34%

[strange python]

wtf is going on

[balmy condor]

and then maybe 45?

but it works off mastery points

which aren't actually mastery

cause mastery is weird

[oak tangle]

a tale of two extremes

[balmy condor]

so you'd have to do a ton of math

[mighty elm]

did something get pushed to nightly apl last night?

[balmy condor]

yes

[daring spoke]

im crying

[balmy condor]

but it was edge cases

[slate crown]

Is this a phone camera picture?

[strange python]

wow

i mean rn my sim is super weird in terms of stats

[slate crown]

why is it so saturated

[balmy condor]

HDR

surely

[oak tangle]

i have HDR and cbf turning it off for you guys, tell snipping tool to fix it

[balmy condor]

YES

BANG

[strange python]

i have 3 drops of the first dagger u have

[balmy condor]

WHISPYR UNDEFEATED

I KNOW ALL

[slate crown]

gross

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

but no nick

[steel ridge]

God emperor

[balmy condor]

branch will devalue mastery quite a bit

just how it be

[daring spoke]

also, that igira dagger is cracked as shit for progression, use its on use ability on a training dummy

[balmy condor]

is there a follow up to this, something weird you saw?

[strange python]

really? not the leech one?

[bleak kiln]

Nick of Time doesn't exists right? 🙂

[mighty nexus]

no

removed from game

[daring spoke]

the training dummy buff from on use heals for 10% when you fall below 20%, its basically a second mini cheat death

[fading patrol]

yes

[oak tangle]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[mighty elm]

had sbs sim roughly 5k more 2 days ago, without any changes now it sims 1.5k less than the previous build.

so like a 6k-6.5k diff

[balmy condor]

do you have links to those

[bleak kiln]

[mighty elm]

yeh sec

[balmy condor]

ty

I don't think any of my changes squashed on bone spike

but we'll see

[polar bridge]

blazefury get nerfed? ;_;

[balmy condor]

tf is blazefury

[bleak kiln]

I've timed 16 straight Falls and haven't seen anyone get the dagger nor the trinket

Today

[polar bridge]

the fire proc neck

[balmy condor]

oh

[strange python]

im on my 24th run brother stay strong

[balmy condor]

the thing we don't care about

idk

maybe

[fading patrol]

yes i took me like 60 key to get both on hero track

[bleak kiln]

[bleak kiln]

But it has the same drop chance as other items?

[fading patrol]

dont think so

[strange python]

ok by math, im 6 runs from my first drop,

and another 30 from 2nd

[daring spoke]

in my like 20 falls
i havent even gotten a drop, much less a dagger

[oak tangle]

if the items had equal drop, the average would be 1/15

[mighty elm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vGzmyVB7SKskXziHELDsHd

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aQeu3PCRShVyrmmNuyok4z

@balmy condor
havent looked into the apl

[balmy condor]

yeh that's fine, APL is my job

thanks

[steel ridge]

And your soul is lost to the timeways now

[bleak kiln]

I'd trade my soul for a dagger fr fr

[fading patrol]

yes for sure

[oak tangle]

how many people out here, are farming for nicks, in outlaw loot spec

[strange python]

i have a 473 dagger in 1 hand and a 437 in other

[high ice]

whats a good point to aim for as sin for haste in raid?

[bleak kiln]

i have 447 and 437 daggers and double on-use trinkets... so i have no better things to do than farm Falls anyways

[thorn bobcat]

to infinity and beyond

[strange python]

im bout to ask trade chat for 3 rogues to run falls with me and sell me the dagger fr

[high ice]

so its haste mast for raid but crit mast? for keys?

[burnt venture]

Can someone help me with logs quick?

is it !logs ?

[bleak kiln]

i found out the other day in a hc pug that i couldn't roll dagger as outlaw, and someone won it with a 42 roll

[burnt venture]

wanna know why I was grey parse for ivll tonight

fuckin embarassing

[thorn bobcat]

you probably want to sim yourself for raid, m+ is more feelcrafty

[manic rock]

don't use ilvl

[bleak kiln]

pay em good

[steel ridge]

How much per run?

[strange python]

1 piece of my soul until its lost in the timeways

[oak tangle]

inb4 man specs outlaw to extend number of runs

[grand trail]

I'm not getting embersoul just because they wanna see my Sims and branch make it look poop sadge

[steel ridge]

Forgot amp poison

[grand trail]

Pray for vault

[burnt venture]

nah I had it on

[daring spoke]

thats how i do things

[steel ridge]

Yeah that’s unfortunate and unfair. If you raid, you shouldnt be punished because a dungeon trinket exists that may or may not drop

[oak tangle]

I couldn't stand to be in a guild that uses loot council

[steel ridge]

Who is there to give embersoul to in your raid? I doubt there is anything close in gain to assassination

[oak tangle]

there'd surely be so much closed door toxicity on who got what drops

[daring spoke]

depends on the loot council and how your guilds run
ideally it would be cased on how much it improves your dps + your performance

[buoyant herald]

We loot council early tier but drop it after two weeks

[random plume]

depends on the guild

[daring spoke]

loot council is really only necessary for BiS/tier when its used

[oak tangle]

i don't think it does depend on the guild, in any interaction there'll always be someone who disliked the outcome

[mighty lake]

Hw many points rupture is it when ur rupture spreading on mobs with fan? 4+?

[random plume]

it doesn't really matter if someone dislikes the outcome as long as they understand why

that's a them problem

[daring spoke]

i mean that happens with every loot system,

[runic hinge]

Some guilds will spread sheet their loot council and give loot based on biggest % upgrades.

[steel ridge]

Easy to spot the teamplayer and ego player

[grand trail]

They won't give me signet too, since 5min Sims signet is even with sandglaas and other classes have huge gain

[mighty lake]

This shit sucks in low-mid tier guilds where there are slackers who you have to gear up ruining morale

[steel ridge]

Which is probably right

[oak tangle]

this is true, but it's evident by how many lower guilds disband or go through rosters changes, that alot of people are ego players

[grand trail]

I mean I did close to 100keys with branch and I don't feel like it's fun to play that mini game

[steel ridge]

Then its not meant to be a guild

[random plume]

it's annoying that you can see everyone else's too

in raid and keys

[grand trail]

There is many situations where I can't even see the orbs so I'm just running in circles till I see two stacks

[oak tangle]

unironically who tf is playing minigames

they chase you

[random plume]

you want to extend it

as much as possible

[oak tangle]

take 3 steps to the left or right

[random plume]

not take all insta

[oak tangle]

done

[runic hinge]

If they’re getting the biggest % upgrades maybe they won’t look like slackers. Also it’s just loot. You’ll get it eventually

[daring spoke]

just bring back draught of souls
no seriously, give me my 3sec channel trinket that does like 2mil damage

[grand trail]

If you let orb chase they won't cover yoour kb

[steel ridge]

my guild is pretty stable with a solid core, a god RL, good reliable officers and loot council. Been there for 2 years now and we improved from world 1000 to roughly 500

[balmy condor]

@mighty elm aight I found it, aside from the change in necks, the sim where bone spike was better had caustic talented, where as the newer sim had internal bleeding, so you were comparing internal bleeding + bone spike to caustic+not bone spike

[steel ridge]

people come and go

[mighty lake]

What mythic boss are top 200 guilds on rn approx? Also, is top 200 alliance also giving u famed title?

[steel ridge]

But you need a solid core for a guild to function

[blazing jewel]

its merged for horde and ally now

[oak tangle]

i agree, i guess i'm just at too low of a level of progression where any kind of loot councilling will be poorly handled

[velvet ridge]

Guys I tried outlaw, I can confidently say with authority that sin is the better more meta spec

[mighty lake]

Hate the APM + sounds + feels just bad to play that shit

failed revamp

imoo

[steel ridge]

Effective loot distribution is essential for progress… imo

[mighty elm]

ah, severe brainlag

ty 😂

[oak tangle]

i mean yes and no, as i'm playing very casual and going for AOTC only, i find it much better to have randomness choose who gets loot rather than spurn guildies by prioritising certain people. I already kind of impact it myself, where i'll abstain from rolling on something i could use if the person who is winning the roll could also use it more. but i wouldnt expect that of anyone else

[steel ridge]

Before i was in a hc guild that barely cracked world 6000 with horrible management, poor gameplay and no loot council. They aint improving even tho they have a solid core for 15 years

[daring spoke]

bring back combat rogue

[steel ridge]

You see, loot council rewards performance. And that’s what improves players.

[daring spoke]

well yeah, i wouldnt exactly expect, or want, a loot council in any guild that isnt planning to go for cutting edge

[oak tangle]

for instance I had to drop a player from our roster because they weren't putting in enough effort, and that felt really shitty

but it isn't fair for the rest of the team

[steel ridge]

I took the leap from that hc guild to a CE guild knowing i need to improve my environment to improve myself

It wasnt easy but it was worth it

[steel ridge]

Spank one to motivate 20

We have a 8x18 m+ requirement for vault. Only 1 of 27 players failed that and left the guild by himself in shame 😅

Even tho it would only result in a friendly warning

[oak tangle]

our requirement was only 447 ilvl for first raid, had a few rock up still 437

[runic hinge]

Both our tanks showed up 437

Those two should have the easiest time getting gear

[steel ridge]

well thats not an issue for us, since everyone has to lock in the character weeks before

[oak tangle]

our requirement this sunday is 455, and looking like most are meeting it, so happy days

[daring spoke]

i'd say thats lazy, but my guilds req was 450 and i rocked up in442, difference was my GM and i talked beforehand and he knew i was behind due to my work schedule, now im ahead of most of the guild in gear

[steel ridge]

Talking is key

[oak tangle]

yeah, i mean the person we dropped, did this last tier as well, so he kinda had forewarning

[steel ridge]

but ilvl requirements are dumb, cause lootcouncil will skew that alot

Healers and augs will get less gear than top dps

[random plume]

unless you do keys

[steel ridge]

You can do 20 keys and still lack loot

[sick sail]

hello! returning player, hows assassination? where can i get the latest news/updated guide yall recommend? thanks! ❤️

[steel ridge]

it’s about commitment not ilvl

[balmy condor]

wowhead

[sick sail]

ty my friend~

[daring spoke]

i went from 442 to 464 in one week, its pretty nice

[sick sail]

!*

[steel ridge]

447 to 475 😅

[random plume]

same !

[daring spoke]

wowheads rogue theorycrafters are top class 😉

[random plume]

10ilvl jump in one day bc I got to equip 4pc

[daring spoke]

i'd be closer to 470, but i still have a 437 neck because rngesus hates me

[sick sail]

excited to see em top again, i remember rotation being diff when dragonflight came out

[rose adder]

is it a terrible idea to force 2pc?

[random plume]

raidbots.com

[balmy condor]

based reply

[daring spoke]

for gear questions
sim it

this discord requires a 'sim it' sticker

[steel ridge]

If that means using charges and tokens before you know the other slots, yes its a bad idea

you might end up with duplicates

[rose adder]

le sigh

[steel ridge]

that only matters the first 2-3 weeks tho

[daring spoke]

only force 4p

[rose adder]

im only a heroic raider and i never roll over a 20 so i have zero gear from raid LOL

[daring spoke]

never know when rngesus will bless you

[rose adder]

i guess ill wait, i just wanted to see my ilvl go up lol

[grand trail]

Can someone bette with logs than me have me checked if played orbs somehow optimally

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qXGTYdDmJCkzRf3h#fight=2&start=728718&end=995765&type=auras&source=3&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24179286500.0.0.Rogue%24false%24385627

[manic sleet]

Do you always use ambush over mutilate in stealth windows?

[mighty lake]

Aside from saving 1x thistle tea every cd combo, what else can/do we use thistle tea's on? Thinking M+ n stuff as well.

[mystic osprey]

How do you do more damage with 4 set

[glacial beacon]

Excuse me guys, hello, i don't find it on wowhead and icy veins, there's a hast cap ? Cause i think i ve no energy after 1min30 combat, and no tea left

[daring spoke]

are you pooling your energy correctly?

or are you dumping on envenom with 4p

[glacial beacon]

i think yes, im not a pro but ive learned my cycle

[glacial beacon]

hvnt 4p yet

[manic rock]

the cycle tells you to pool in that case. You're going to run out of nrg naturally

[daring spoke]

^
its just a sin thing

[glacial beacon]

okay !
Cause i play outlaw too, and i never need nrg xD

[daring spoke]

sins the only rogue spec that behaves like this

[glacial beacon]

i do not depend of*

[clear cairn]

could someone show me the plater profile whispyr uses for the dot timings? i can't seem to find it anywhere. it looks really useful

[daring spoke]

sub and outlaw dont end up in an energy deficit often
though cold blood sub can run out

[manic rock]

other than to reapply CS is there a reason you think you wouldn't choose ambush over mut?

[clear cairn]

they have this border around them when they are soon to drop

[signal wren]

Are you supposed to just dump with 4p?

[daring spoke]

yes sin 4p wants you to chain envenoms

[steel ridge]

dont focus too much on ilvl

[signal wren]

So i dump. Hold til 80%ish then dump?

Once i get 4p?

[grim tree]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[oak tangle]

i don't feel safe

[steel ridge]

catform chunks

[oak tangle]

why am i competing with a resto druid

[olive veldt]

what's the deal with toxic thorn footwraps? is the toxified armor patch item one made without a spark??

[manic rock]

are your dps meters ascending?

[steel ridge]

no but you can use the one from last season 😄

[olive veldt]

ahh, ok that makes sense. thank you

[rose adder]

i was under the impression that ilvl was the most imporant thing due to agi scaling

[mighty lake]

How does pandemic work exactly on rogues? I'm garroting on a mob with like 3-4 seconds left and I get an even lower garrote dot than my initial? And I just ruptured twice in a row and it went from 28 sec to a 37 sec dot?

[daring spoke]

not at all, weights arent that simple, especially with tier

[manic rock]

lol you freaky bruh

[steel ridge]

it is, but if you arent competing for hall of fame, you shouldnt worry, it will come

[oak tangle]

pics or your garrote interaction wasnt this

[glacial beacon]

and what's the stats' pull ? I think mine is f*ckd, i have : crit 31% / hast 20% / mast 36% / versa 20%

[steel ridge]

as many as possible from whatever you can get your hands on

[daring spoke]

idk what percents you want, BUT raidbots.com, run a 'stat weights' sim, input those weights into pawn, and repeat this cycle every time you get gear upgrades and eventually youll get everything in its best place

[steel ridge]

thats exactly what you are not supposed to do

[glacial beacon]

okay !

[steel ridge]

dont do that

[glacial beacon]

not okay !

So what im supposed to do ?

[steel ridge]

as many as possible from whatever you can get your hands on

[glacial beacon]

okay

[steel ridge]

once you are on a high ilvl you can optimise rings or gems or whatever

[quiet oar]

Top gear and use Things bots Tells you to use

[steel ridge]

but there arent many slots you can actually choose your stats on anyway

[glacial beacon]

So there's no pull at all ?

[steel ridge]

no

assassination gobbles up every stat

[daring spoke]

oh yeah
sin just wants numbers

[glacial beacon]

okay, nice to know that now

[steel ridge]

mastery is mostly best, but that doesnt mean the other stats are bad

[daring spoke]

sorry, i was in sub brain there, where weights matter significantly more because we want a pretty exact amount of haste

[steel ridge]

bullshit

[manic rock]

Did it change with s3? the exact haste for sub last season was 0 or as close to as possible

[glacial beacon]

And last question, with the dagger, we take mecha dreams ?

[kind forge]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[steel ridge]

well, 0 just means as low as possible, but thats not "an exact amount of haste"

that whole statbreakpoint bullshit got stuck in peoples brains its crazy

doing some insane maniac math about statweights while completely disregarding the bigger picture

while doing basic rotational stuff wrong

[sullen gyro]

Stat breakpoints exist for a few specs and even on those specs they mostly don't matter

[manic rock]

Yeah, for hunter it was p much just delete pawn and sim yourself

[steel ridge]

pawn is an addon for casuals to feel good about equpping item xyz

[sullen gyro]

There's a very small amount of breakpoints that actually matter for any spec in the game

[sullen gyro]

You should delete pawn for every class

It's an outdated relic from when simming gearsets required you to use simulationcraft yourself and murder your pc

[grand trail]

Anyone able to SIM incorrect orb play? Like 1/1/1 at start of DM?

[sullen gyro]

Even healers sim now

[steel ridge]

dragonflight.witherbarks_branch_timing=1/1/1

add that in custom apl

and change numbers

[grand trail]

Thanks

[sage cargo]

Are dwarf sin rogues OK

or meh?

[balmy condor]

Lisonna did that in #1065730164077645916 already

Can just open that sim

Has every combination

[grand trail]

Cool will check

[steel ridge]

you cant really play branch that bad that the trinket itself gets bad

[grand trail]

I would like just to see how much bad play can branch take before being worse than embersoul

[steel ridge]

alot

if you just standstill its still simming higher

[slate crown]

CS is applied by both spells.

[balmy condor]

Considering how good it is, you’d have to basically force yourself to miss an orb

[sullen gyro]

What about 1/1/12 so you never hit 3 stacks?

[balmy condor]

If you get all 3 orbs it’s basically impossible for ashes to win

[grand trail]

That happened to me once from checking m logs

[steel ridge]

then it will lose most likely

[oak tangle]

fuck it just run away for 20 seconds

[balmy condor]

I haven’t missed my orbs in 6 days of raiding

[sullen gyro]

I've missed an orb as bm before if I'm using cds before a lot of running

[balmy condor]

Ain’t it funny how people said it’s impossible to kite orbs but then make hypotheticals where they kite an orb for 15 seconds

[sullen gyro]

Harder to do in melee

[balmy condor]

You can do 1/1/4 and it’s perfectly fine

Equal to 1/1/7

If you’re hitting your target for kb

You’re able to get orbs

[sullen gyro]

And if you use cds as a melee before a big movement phase that's just questionable planning

[manic rock]

I hate 1st boss of fall

[slate crown]

Only time I’ve missed an orb is if I was a dummy and used it as the boss did a mechanic and moved to the other side of the room

[grand trail]

Can't find that Sim from clicking the link 😦

[oak tangle]

i just don't get the whole it's hard to do mechanics and pick up orbs, because WORST CASE you are trying to walk into them for whatever god knows reason... YOU HAVE CLOAK

[supple snow]

If you so orba perfectly, how much better than ashes is it?

[balmy condor]

It’s the last message in the thread

Impossible to miss

[balmy condor]

2%

Around there

[slate crown]

Also my run was not every option, just all options where you grab the first 2 orbs within 6 sec, so all combinations from 1/1/x to 3/3/x. But yeah, can take a look to see, I was just curious

[supple snow]

That is a good chunk

[slate crown]

Because the others were just always worse

[grand trail]

Wasn't scrolling down thanks

[strange python]

on run 28 for nick of time daggers

im getting close i feel it

[slate crown]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[steel ridge]

feel this

just loot it

idk

[slim hedge]

How many farming fall have done the stack tactic?

on 2nd

[steel ridge]

what tactic, its just every man for himself is it not?

[slim hedge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/KnottyBusySpiderCopyThis-pLoEQWZk6l8pTEOz

[steel ridge]

lmao

i guess, you can do that if the rings hurt too much on higher levels yeah, highest i have done so far is 20 tyrannical and it was a joke if you dispell in bright area

[quartz lance]

I hate you. I’m still stuck in jail..

[slim hedge]

Seems in pugs the idea of hard stack is clearly impossible

[steel ridge]

yeah its not viable for pugs xD just eat the damage and heal up i guess

[slim hedge]

Mostly the issue, where healers can't cope with the standard dispell

then again, pugs be the kinda boys who have MD off CD, you do the big chad pull and the 20 stacks of bursting just aren't compelling enough to pop that MD

[faint path]

I just tried outlaw in couple of dungeons what a shitty boring spec is that

[daring spoke]

they made outlaw because combat was 'bland' and had no identity,
outlaw is more bland than combat ever was

[slim hedge]

Yeah, did 2, noticed even some weird range bug with BtE and wanted to just immediately leave and change back to Ass

[steel ridge]

opinions differ i guess

[slow needle]

What bug do you think you had?

[slim hedge]

'Think'

[slow needle]

We gonna debate semantics or you gonna explain?

[slim hedge]

3rd boss in WM, randomly having to go further out to spend BtE

[steel ridge]

there is no 3rd boss

there are 3 first bosses

[slim hedge]

I mean

Typically on Tyran you go straight to sisters no?

Then tree, cause joke. then pig boy

[slow needle]

You sure you could use other abilities but not BtE?
Iirc that dude has a strange hitbox in general if you got too close.

[steel ridge]

just tell us which boss your gun had a malfunction, nobody wants to know your strats 😄

[mighty lake]

Hw can we reset combat to stealth easier on target dummies? Having to wait a while due to bleeds

[steel ridge]

run very far away

[slow needle]

If so thats worth testing later. Never heard of anyone having that issue so far.

[smoky horizon]

The Flame Neck thing is talking about the Kazzak neck piece? The one in the pins

[slim hedge]

Yeah, I was in the same unextended melee range as I would in Ass. Just kept instinctively moving in, and feeling enraged. No other boss has the issue, but beyond annoying

[burnt venture]

I really like the rogue rework for sin and outlaw. Both v fun and v good

[slate condor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steel ridge]

how do i get rid of that fucking green thing

[balmy condor]

Delete your character

[steel ridge]

[hidden inlet]

do u chain envenom on aoe or is it better to just maintain rupture one by one?

[oak tangle]

por que no los dos

[steel ridge]

depends on your energy economy and the state of the pull

[hidden inlet]

so if the pull will go on for a while its better to rupture, but u chain envenom when things are dying soon right

[mighty elm]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[sick sail]

love the wowhead guide, thank you

[mighty lake]

call me lazy but this is how I binded the cds on assa

[slow needle]

If in raid you can be lazier and just bind SD/KB together.

[mighty lake]

Made it even better

[slow needle]

One fewer buttons.

[cinder geode]

what stats would you guys use on crafted gear for m+?

is crit mast a safe bet for all of them or should i get vers

[mighty lake]

I just do not know uses of thistle tea aside from last 6 seconds of kingsbane. I still do not know why we gotta use it last 6 seconds bc my kingsbane does not "blow up" at the last sec. Mb cuz M+ talents?

[slow needle]

Kingsbane damage ramps over time, even in M+ talents.

Though it will ramp less due to no DTB increasing the number of poisons that can apply.

So you want the mastery buff for the largest ticks.

Same with Vanish and Master Assassin. If you can increase the chance of any of the ticks critting you want the largest ticks to have that increased chance.

[oak tangle]

13.6% mastery is pretty good

it's approximately 13.6% more damage on poisons and bleeds

with branch orbs, i have over 110% mastery

[mighty lake]

Would you double thistle tea ur opener so it covers most of kingsbane window?

[slow needle]

I wouldn't no.

[oak tangle]

there's no reason not to

[mighty lake]

What does sims say to do? nobody talks about thistle tea usage aside from using 1x at the last 6 seconds

[oak tangle]

you want the first charge on cd anyway

[still creek]

Should be even lazier and bind shiv again at s5 and tea s6, vanish s7 kek

[slow needle]

I'm gonna make the assumption that Whispyr did sim full coverage of KB with Tea and it came out that having the energy in other parts of the fight was better.

[oak tangle]

you tea in opener, so that you start it's cd

[slow needle]

In M+ where you have infinite energy in AoE anyway.

Sure.

[hushed barn]

you only have 2 teas during a fight that you can use outside of KB anyways

[mighty lake]

In M+, how would u use tea's differently btw?

[mighty lake]

Yeah in ST exactly. How would we use those is my question

[hushed barn]

probably anytime you wont overcap and the mastery will hit some good damage

[mighty lake]

Interesting to see that using 2x thistles during BL window is less worth than random thistle later in fight without buffs

[hushed barn]

probably cause the energy overcap

during my second deathmark, i like to not pool and use one of the teas to get energy up right before the combo and get the buff in there

not sure how optimal it is, but its more energy being used with the buff hitting some good dots

[oak tangle]

13.6% mastery for 6 seconds on a 1 min cd, is 1.36% average, considering not all our damage is bleed or poison. the tea bonus outside of big ramping windows is negligible

so it is better used for getting energy to press more buttons

[plain moon]

So if im just going to not worry about kiting orbs with branch do I just use it when I KB or is there a better time to use it

[hushed barn]

so in other words, as long as you are using the 100 energy, try and hit it alongside the biggest dot windows

[oak tangle]

always last 6 seconds of kb

[hushed barn]

(outside of the charges you use on CD on KB)

[oak tangle]

I would guess (and im guessing here so dont take it as fact) that the sims value the energy gain to keep envenom chains longer than the first 8 seconds of kb window

[hushed barn]

I imagine you could manage to do both right? lead a chain into KB and use tea during first 8 of kb to keep the chain going as you do your KB combo

[oak tangle]

@balmy condor please tell me how much we're overthinking it 🙂

[hushed barn]

its only 12 seconds of 13.6% mastery in a whole fight

so the answer is probably a lot xD

[balmy condor]

im not reading

tldr it

[oak tangle]

why do we not double tea dm windows

[hushed barn]

optimal time to use your 2 extra tea charges in ST

[balmy condor]

because the start of kingsbane fucking sucks ass

who gives a fuck about the first 3 ticks of kb

[hushed barn]

but if you are using the energy you gain anyways, hitting KB alongside your regular dots is gonna be a slight increase than just hitting the regular dots right?

[balmy condor]

yeah but it doesn't line up like that

if it lines up that you get to use the energy, and it's during shiv/dm

then yeah obviously it's better

sims don't like it because that's not a sure thing

[hushed barn]

i guess thats just the timing of pooling and chaining, which changes based on blindside procs

[balmy condor]

yeh

on average, best to use for energy whenever

if you want to argue that it's slightly better to starve yourself a bit into kb windows and then double tea

go for it

sims don't agree

but if that's more playable for you

then who cares

it's so unimportant

[static glacier]

Ngl I think the risk of losing even a single gcd during kb

Isn’t worth starving yourself into it

I always pool a good chunk of energy going into KB if possible

[cunning basin]

Yeah I kinda agree. Being low going into KB sounds like cringe gameplay for very little possible reward

[static glacier]

Starved KB windows aren’t it

[cunning basin]

If any at all

[static glacier]

The real question would be assuming we’re v low energy, would we send energy asap to increase the most total kb stacks

Or just hold and buff the final 6s

As usual

[cunning basin]

I mean ideally you don't go in at sub 100 energy

[static glacier]

Yeah ofc, but let’s go with the assumption we start kb on like sub 70 energy

[cunning basin]

Cuz with 100 energy with Regen and VW you should have enough for envenom x 2 at least which covers MOST of KB

You still want envenom going INTO KB rather than at the end

[static glacier]

Ngl I sometimes env the gcd after kb in keys

[cunning basin]

At the end you're already at the end. Poison proc's here are worthless. Poison proc's at the beginning buff the entire rest of the ability

[static glacier]

But yeah ideally speaking you’d have env up as normal

[cunning basin]

I mean in keys I don't even do the right opener tbh

[hushed barn]

half the time in keys i just freak out lol

[static glacier]

A big part of keys is flexibility

[cunning basin]

Bc everything in keys is scuffed as fuck and you're just kinda piling as much energy and damage into mobs as possible with whatever resources you have

[hushed barn]

nothing quite like a scuffed kb in a key

[static glacier]

Things like spreading garrottes in dance take precedent, I often kb late in dance in keys while in raid it’s always the first or second global

[cunning basin]

Bro KB gets turbo scuffed in keys, I'll send it, realize I'm targeting the wrong mob and immediately swap

[hushed barn]

also farming these 17's for the daggers, stuff dies too fast to worry about a good KB combo

[static glacier]

My rule is never swap, just stay on it till it pops

[cunning basin]

Nah, not finna throw my 22 key for the sake of a 1min cd

[static glacier]

Which at times is like 3-4 globals

[cunning basin]

I'll eat the loss

[static glacier]

Wait

You terrorising the key by Kbing a petal instead of abom or something?

I wish we had a world where KB had 2 charges

[cunning basin]

Ain't no way you've never smacked KB realizing you weren't targeting what you thought you were

Or maybe my tank just pulls too fast

[hushed barn]

KB a hunter that jumps away, cry

[cunning basin]

I don't really have time to think about shit most of the time, busy crankin

[static glacier]

I’ve had it where I’ve KB’d a mob which I then realised it’s not optimal

Eg berserkers above naturalists

[hushed barn]

or the fucking black rook archers

[static glacier]

But not by accident, mob hp is what helps me decide

[hushed barn]

kbing them on accident then them jumping away is so sad

[oak tangle]

whispyr's plater highlights tanky mobs, so that helps, but i still click it on wrong target

[cunning basin]

Fuck those mobs

I can't use plater

Shit freaks me out

[static glacier]

On blackrook it’s usually arcane blast mobs, the leader guy

[cunning basin]

No ty

Base elvui plates for me

[hushed barn]

some of these pulls have been so big and plater nameplates jumping all around that i lose mobs easy haha

[oak tangle]

this used to be me, but now my plater bars have a yellow border when there is no rupture and that is such a pog QoL

[hushed barn]

some of those EB pulls man

frantically tab targeting to find the abom

[flat oriole]

how can I get that going? is rupture that big for your trash mob damage?

[hushed barn]

rupture and garrote are yuge

gotta get those head pops

[oak tangle]

energy sustain / scent of blood too

[cunning basin]

Ye

Shit is litty

Infinite energy is

[flat oriole]

you guys using the subcreation talents or got something else you run for mythic? im only 430 with a horrible stat line so Ive been struggling to pump in keys

[solid mica]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hushed barn]

gotta use the arterial shock demise build imo, esp in low keys

[oak tangle]

i can send you the import string for the borders if you'd like

[flat oriole]

I would love that memz

what a G

[hushed barn]

the burst damage of the execute really allows you to pump your dps

[flat oriole]

super new to assassin had to swap so a less experienced guildie could play their main (enhance).

[flat oriole]

execute?

[hushed barn]

sudden demise

[flat oriole]

I havent even read all the talents bro XD

ok

[hushed barn]

insta kills mobs when you stack all your bleeds on them

[flat oriole]

what am I supposed to be gathering from this spreadsheet you sent @yaga ?

[hushed barn]

combine that with arterial shock for 30% increased bleed damage in a aoe on shiv, you can easily get a quick few million burst damage at the end of a fight

[flat oriole]

^

[static glacier]

It’s fine to have two enh shamans

Ele is actually quite good too

[oak tangle]

they're probs using for their own needs not linking for you

[flat oriole]

yeah but we dont have a assassination rogue yet

oh ok

[cinder geode]

is vers useful for m+ or can i skip out on it for more crit mast ?

[static glacier]

Sims but realistically go for ilvl atm

Vers was my 2nd highest stat for a while

[hushed barn]

vers always has the benefit of helping you not die, if you need that

[oak tangle]

@flat oriole check out these guides

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[static glacier]

Since we’re at a point where all our stats are kinda similar in value and hitting dr vers is no longer a stat you want 0 of. Bis profile runs vers on rings

[flat oriole]

I dont put a lot of stock in icy veins these days but I have been kinda slowly going through the wowhead

i figured method wouldnt be great cus they are in the race and might not have a whole lot to share that wowhead doesnt

[balmy condor]

Fun fact, I actually added kingsbane coming up soon to the pooling condition to make sure it had energy going into cooldowns

And sims told me to go fuck myself

[balmy condor]

Hi yes I write both of those guides. Method guide is slower to update but has nothing to do with the race it’s just the nature of their editing pipeline

[hushed barn]

man those sims are whack

[cunning basin]

That's not very nice of them, L sims tbh

[balmy condor]

Nah it’s just

It would break the chain

And it hate that

It would rather sit and starve barely maintaining the chain for a couple seconds until the tea at the end of kb comes in

Than let it drop and afk

It was very close though

Like human gameplay probably fine

[cunning basin]

That's good to know, robots out here wildin

[hushed barn]

does this change significantly with/without 4pc?

[cunning basin]

I'll do some degenerate shit but I gotta draw a line somewhere y'know?

[balmy condor]

Without 4pc you focus sanguine more

With you chain over sanguine

[flat oriole]

good to know, sorry if I come as hating on youre guides I just feel like I've gotten better info from other sites in the past on other classes. I'm looking at your work on icy veins now.

[balmy condor]

That’s the one I don’t write

[flat oriole]

ooooh ok

[balmy condor]

1/3 chance

[hushed barn]

ok makes sense, thats been what ive been doing, dipping low energy for chains wihtout 4pc didnt feel right

[balmy condor]

Yeh no reason to chain without 4pc

[hushed barn]

at least i got 4pc next week with these speed upgraded hero gloves

[flat oriole]

if i may ask do you feel like assassination is really dependent on gear/ stats in keys early on or is the skill cap really that high? I'm still kindsa stuck using hekili and I kinda hate it. want to be proficient at this spec

[hushed barn]

keys early on are a whole different game imo

stuff dies so fast, that some classes just excel way more than others

in the gcds it takes to garrote and rupture the mobs, they might just be all dead

[flat oriole]

that's def fair. dot damage kinda no value <5+

felt that

[hushed barn]

i mean, at least with my gear, even in 17's stuff dies too fast

[flat oriole]

but even in 11's. Ik those arent crazy but I just kinda do nothing and get carried at 430

feels bad

[hushed barn]

definitely play around with the shock demise build, focus on getting your garrotes out during your subterguge window then dotting everything with rupture in the carnage window

that will carry you on a lot of damage

[cunning basin]

To keep myself sane in doti I have a game I play after 2nd boss

"how big of a sudden demise can I get on the dragon"

[flat oriole]

also with the whole maintaining rupture on mobs; is it worth worrying about them if they are kinda low and I'm like low energy or no combo points buiilt? how does that all work?

[hushed barn]

you shouldnt be low energy

[cunning basin]

So far my biggest is 1.9m no Aug beat my score

[hushed barn]

if you get out ~9 ruptures at the start of a pull

you will have infinite energy

[flat oriole]

heard that

so dont spam

[balmy condor]

Not really, it’s like arcane mage

You have a burst and a sustain

[flat oriole]

I havent played

[balmy condor]

If you know the burst and you know the sustain

It kinda plays itself

Very conceptual spec though

[hushed barn]

more you rely on venomous wounds regaining energy

[balmy condor]

Also I’m very tipsy

Jesus

[flat oriole]

that scales off crit right?

[flat oriole]

saaaaame

[craggy oak]

I'm geared to the teeth and only just swapped to sin in keys this week at 23s or higher as stuff just dies far too fast

[balmy condor]

Autocorrect is real good

[hushed barn]

you open out of stealth with lots of rupture, and you have enough energy to spam cast for the rest of the fight

[flat oriole]

been spamming sc2 with the homie taking shots XD

kinda a lightweight so feeling it on like 4

[balmy condor]

I’m far weaker than that

[flat oriole]

sin?

should I be doing that fro more upfront dps?

for*

[craggy oak]

Sin, ass, assa

[hushed barn]

i was feelin this in the 21 throne first pull lmao, DH evaporated everything too fast

[flat oriole]

gotchya

[craggy oak]

Ye I play with bm and dh so things melt

[hushed barn]

fort week does feel better too

[craggy oak]

But imo sin is by far the best spec in keys once they are high enough

[plain moon]

Does it ever break chaining to make sure it has enough energy to limp the to tea in KB? Like it’s never worth to go in so low that ur missing global inside KB right

[balmy condor]

No that’s exactly what I just said

[calm tendon]

why is no one playing the build from fuus simulation sheet (in m+ BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEJJJhEEAAAAAASJJSLJAAAAAAgWSCSgkkSaJRERkEJRSTJSAA) ?

it sims 3-5% better for me 2

[clever perch]

how much dmg does ur bandolier do in m+?

i feel like mine does rly low, not sure if im playing it wrong

[daring spoke]

bandolier isnt that great on sin iirc

[clever perch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q9yfUXkTZCMSQ5GCuBJRGL which trinket should i pick

im undecised

im kinda tilted that everything dies too fast in order to do decent overall

[craggy oak]

In keys double on use I.e, mirror, branch, augery is good, crab trinket is decent if you don't want or have double on use

[clever perch]

I do have those

i got branch last key i did but

a guy wanted to buy it

[daring spoke]

mirror and crab both outperform bandolier on sin

[clever perch]

fair price?

[subtle tundra]

i with that were me

i need that gold

[daring spoke]

i need that branch

[subtle tundra]

no you dont

[loud brook]

you should probably mark it up to the price of a wow token

[clever perch]

i mean i had like 10k in my bags so

[zealous bobcat]

So on st. Do you spam mutilate envenom, or do you just pool energy and keep it above 50% for bleed talent

[clever perch]

238k seems fine for me xD

[silver yacht]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever perch]

im gonna test it

[daring spoke]

do you have 4p?
with 4p you like to chain envenom
without 4p you try to keep sanguine blades uptime iirc

[zealous bobcat]

Still missing 1 piece for 4p

[clever perch]

@balmy condor thoughs on this?

[calm tendon]

its missing iron wire

[craggy oak]

Cos it sims the highest

But no iron wire in keys is a grief

[loud brook]

iron wire provides more than almost any other point in utility

[balmy condor]

That’s just hybrid but without iron wire and the most rigid talent run I’ve ever seen

[subtle tundra]

when my teammates are scared of a pull cause there's kicks and then i hit them with "dont worry i have vanish shadowdance and blind"

[balmy condor]

It goes from Cttc to zold in a straight line lmao

No double shiv

Yeh

Nah

Build is troll as fuck

dashing over arterial

[grand trail]

If it wasn't for iron wire I would play outlaw in keys

But it's just too helpful if you don't run dh tank

[balmy condor]

It might sim higher but that’s not a human talent tree

[subtle tundra]

it it werent for iron wire, nvm i'd never play outlaw

[zealous bobcat]

Iron wire is kinda nice especially with vanish and shadow dance

[balmy condor]

Iron wire is mandatory

If you aren’t playing it you’re actually clowning

[subtle tundra]

whispar, i simmed the wowhead build for council in dungeon slice and it did simmed as much as the AP build and then also in ST and it does so much more ST, whats your opinion

[balmy condor]

I don’t have an opinion

[subtle tundra]

but youre the opinion man

[balmy condor]

Play whatever the fuck you want

I don’t care

[subtle tundra]

your words mean everything to me

[simple stratus]

Do you ever use dance without using KB? my brain just always uses them together since you never kb with out dance

[calm tendon]

i see. but why is that promoted in sheets who are often posted here?

[balmy condor]

Beats me

[grizzled storm]

I'm using Zerocool's tyrannical build for alot of keys with smaller pulls, it feel pretty good

[balmy condor]

Sims higher I guess

[loud brook]

don't prostelitize people, it's creepy

[balmy condor]

I don’t run those sims

[oak tangle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[balmy condor]

I’ve never seen that build in my life

[clever perch]

okay what about this BMQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsFJJJJSAAAAAAASJJSLJAAAAAAQrlkgEIJpkSSEkEJBJJalIBA

[simple stratus]

Is that the blindside venom rush build

[balmy condor]

Idk it’s 3am and I’m on mobile I’m not importing that

[subtle tundra]

"the zerocool build" AAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[clever perch]

actually

[balmy condor]

Someone screenshot it or something

[clever perch]

is the zerocool build xD

[zealous bobcat]

Go to bed then

[grand trail]

Zerocool build kek, other guild rogue posted that to me today that I need to play it

[balmy condor]

I am in bed, people keep pinging me over shit

[quick idol]

Picture plz

[zealous bobcat]

Toss that phone, turn to the side, close eyes. Life is good.

[quick idol]

There are two pictures

[sick zinc]

It’ll haunt their dreams

[quick idol]

Which one the good one c

[balmy condor]

That’s literally just the raid build but with iron wire and carnage

[grizzled storm]

Yep

[balmy condor]

Revolutionary

[grand trail]

Idk it was posted to me and I dont care and still playing shock

[simple stratus]

No ct would feel weird in keys

[zealous bobcat]

Watching the mobs go boom with arterial is kind of satisfying

[balmy condor]

This is actually just hybrid full on

[quick idol]

Im curious to see the record dmgs from Sudden Demise

With full optimization and perfect timing

[meager granite]

Actually doing decent aoe in mobs with strong burst with cd and very strong ST for Tyra boss. Me very liky

[dusty phoenix]

I mean its fine for tyra Keys IG

[clever perch]

is what zerocool runs idk

[balmy condor]

Okay?

[grand trail]

It's w/e

[balmy condor]

It’s a build that’s in the guide

Why do I need to give an opinion on it

[grand trail]

But zerocool play it

Shees

[oak tangle]

zerocares

[clever perch]

though it was different tbh

kekw

[simple stratus]

What do you think about fish tacos

[clever perch]

whispyr what do u think about chips ahoy vs oreo

?

[cunning basin]

I use the solo dragon in fall for that

[simple stratus]

Oreo wins. Ahoy too dry

[cunning basin]

Literally perfect target to pop with big SD

[simple stratus]

And disintegrates on milk dunk

[clever perch]

im more of a chips ahoy guy

[balmy condor]

I think I hate you all and I’m going to sleep, EU too stupid for me at 3am

[clever perch]

but i do love u

[subtle tundra]

Meow

[clever perch]

we killed yesterday 5/9mm

[kind forge]

[quick idol]

Still curious what would be the most dmgs possible to do

With perfect timings and stuff

[oak tangle]

700k dps yes please deffs no cheese

[quick idol]

(Without amp dmgs on boss like in blossom)

[cunning basin]

RN my biggest has been 1.9m

It's a fun game to help halt the insanity from setting in

[glad epoch]

hi everyone can someone answer me a question abput the nick of time dagger with the timestrike hits?

[oak tangle]

maybe

[loud brook]

mayhaps

[tropic zodiac]

Hello, just wondering :
I was in DHT +20 and getting obliterated by every last boss targeted spell
What sould I do to avoid dmg ? Feint doesn't work right ?

[oak tangle]

cloak

[tropic zodiac]

I'm quite "low" ilvl (460) but felt so hard compared to every other thing

[loud brook]

cloak the last boss's channel

[tropic zodiac]

ik but long cd

[oak tangle]

you only have to cloak the first

[simple ore]

you can meld/cloak/vanish the casts, iirc it doesn't retarget someone else

[loud brook]

meld continuing to be very op

[tropic zodiac]

Ty for vanish tip

[simple ore]

I haven't tested vanish specifically but I know meld works so I assume vanish does too

[glad epoch]

I was last week in a key with another assa rogue and he got the dagger on 472 and my old one was on 441 the left one was the dagger from the other rogue now i got one from this season and my dagger does still the same as before

[simple gyro]

Elusiveness is an option though not popular for some for that channel on xavius

Technically evasion and feint would stack on it

[cobalt violet]

which cast? big channel he casts at 50% or prey on the weak?

[simple ore]

prey on the weak

pretty sure you can meld the other casts too but no point since they don't do much

[strange python]

That's a lot of damage for his Timestrike to have done...

You don't have a log of it right?

[simple ore]

was this on throne

timestrike is bugged with damage amps like ozumat

[glad epoch]

no i dont have any logs from it

yeah it was in throne

[strange python]

ahh - did you die on the last boss?

before the big dude comes out

[subtle tundra]

that much dmg from it is for sure from bugged proc

[simple ore]

then yeah, timestrike does huge damage on damage amp bosses, same thing on BRH

I'm guessing you didn't hit ozumat

while other rogue did

I think the mirror trinket also has the same interaction with damage amps

and the clone does way more damage than it should

[glad epoch]

he had sandglass and bark trinket and yaeah i died before

[strange python]

Yeah, that's the difference then.

It's always the same thing on that boss though - no one knows to clear the ink or something.

[simple ore]

then yes, no difference between your daggers don't worry, it's just damage amp things

[glad epoch]

i was in a throne key this morning an my dager still did only the 0.8% dmg with 1.64m and this time i hit the boss

[strange python]

yeah that's what it should be doing

about 1% (give or take)

[simple ore]

idk what causes the huge damage

[strange python]

it's just a tiny bonus

[simple ore]

but that's what is doing it

[strange python]

maybe the bug is fixed ya know

[clever perch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ogSAzgB9MVCHoAR3PDcjqe

[strange python]

hyooge

[clever perch]

im honestly up to try fuu's talent build

who's with me

[strange python]

where can i see it

or that's it in your sim

[clever perch]

its in the sim

[glad epoch]

ah ok yeah thx for help i did not know what i did wrong as i saw this dmg difference

[clever perch]

fuu > hybrid > arterial

in dslice

[flat oriole]

Btw I'm watching whispy's most recent saved vod that is a podcast. does anyone know if any of these other guys stream as well? especially degen NA hours.

[sudden swift]

Is cruel dreamcarver on use worth pressing?

[fickle siren]

Imagine race changing to tauren for racial then realize its only bis for outlaw not assa, stoopid 😄

[clever perch]

???

did u read what it does?

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[fickle siren]

For my defense I thought im going to play outlaw

[sudden swift]

Thank you i was trying to find this info somewhere

[strange python]

yeah, the best are speed and leech ones

[clever perch]

gotchu

[strange python]

You just use it once - and the buff is perma

[clever perch]

just sell the dagger and farm a better one

worth it

[sudden swift]

Is there a macro to check if theres a buff alrdy?

[clever perch]

look in wago but it has 1 min cd so xD

you just go to valdrakken stairs and use it on the 1hp mobs

[strange python]

and yeah that looks good

[sudden swift]

Oh okay thanks

[strange python]

You can just look at your buffs up top

The leech one is like a wolf or something

[fickle latch]

yeah right ;D

[oak tangle]

represent

[proud rover]

I hear about Sandglass being bugged, whats causing it to sim well but not perform that well? any ideas?

[cunning basin]

Wut

[proud rover]

accelerating sand glass, the trinket

is it bugged? someone told me it was

[cunning basin]

Yeah I haven't heard anything about it performing poorly

Or it being bugged

Do they think it's not doing enough damage or what? Bc the damage on it is relatively low, but it also gives you haste so it's not just there for damage

Mine seems fine in every run I do. Ends up sitting around 1% or a lil more of my damage when I use it

[proud rover]

yeah its 2% of my damage overall. my friend could have just been mistaken about how it functioned

[cunning basin]

Probs was

Like that's a lotta damage for a trinket that's also passively giving stats lol

Considering signet brand is just agi and ends up around 3.5%

[grim jay]

wouldve heard it here if it was

[proud rover]

yeah I imagine so, this community is pretty on top of that stuff

[gusty wasp]

The Icy Veins guide says: Activate Vanish on cooldown. Do not use it in your opener immediately. Hold it to sync this ability with the last 3 seconds of your Kingsbane for the Master Assassin buff, and to refresh Garrote.

I have no idea what that means. Use Vanish during the last bit of Kingsbane? I don't see the reasoning here. Can someone advise me please?

[limber lion]

Shmeeps will do that

Smiles

[keen spruce]

Gives you the master assassin buff for 3 seconds with subterfuge. Makes those really big final ticks for kb have higher crit chance

[limber lion]

There you go

[grim jay]

shmeeps always too fast

[keen spruce]

I almost deleted that

When I saw cev

[grand trail]

I make my KB glow on last 3sec

[limber lion]

[grand trail]

Make my life easier

[oak tangle]

i don't know if that is dratnos or not, but i definitely hovered over it thinking it was going to be :dratnose:

[strange python]

lol i dont think it is

[limber lion]

It sure is

Dratnos the one and only

It's from the BFA days

[strange python]

he grow a mustache or something lol

oh i guess he sure did

[gusty wasp]

Thanks 🙂

[odd dew]

any rogues wanna do fallswith em and trade me nick of time im going insane

[strange python]

hrmm

what level you doing