#assassination

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steel spire
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ye throw a couple gars out and fok rupture where the cp lands just send

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dont worry about 6 p rupts

strange python
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Just follow that list

coral gulch
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Okay, thanks!

timid talon
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Which dreamcarver buff are you guys running?

soft shale
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beast is bae

steel spire
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im using the leech one

soft shale
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you can also run the movespeed one if you dont care about leech

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!dagger

prisma monolithBOT
soft shale
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dragonkin

strange python
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how long does that buff last?

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is it like perm?

soft shale
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forever

strange python
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oh shit ok

oak tangle
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but having 30% leech when below 50%, what even are healers

steel spire
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is the mech one strong enough

soft shale
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yea it has saved my ass

soft shale
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if it had like 30 secs maybe

strange python
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so you just go use it on a beast?

strange python
deft vault
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POG

soft shale
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assa has 12% leech from leeching poison

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so when beast procs you have 22%

strange python
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ahh ok

soft shale
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and maybe he has some leech on gear+cloak and wrist enchant

onyx sandal
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I run that mech shield

steel spire
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leech pants and leech talent gives me 16% rn pog

onyx sandal
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Errr, heal

soft shale
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ah true galakrond pants are free lech

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sub does not use them so it evaded me

hexed willow
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Speed is the best

strange python
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evaded

hexed willow
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Fixed

strange python
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so that persists through logging out and in?

steel spire
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it has so far

hexed willow
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The movement speed on the dagger is also higher uptime

strange python
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dang man i had no idea

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i figured it was like a 2 min buff and didn't even try it

hexed willow
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Cause it’s always 10% in raid and m+

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And always active

strange python
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i should use the one that makes you bigger

soft shale
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yea it is perma

hexed willow
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Whereas the leech uptime is really disappointing

soft shale
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leech just comes when you need it

strange python
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I mean it's there when you need it

soft shale
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like da boi

strange python
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yeah zero chance i'm not just picking the leech

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I've been amazed what my leech has done for me already

hexed willow
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10% leech isn’t gonna save you below 50%

strange python
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if you're bursting dude

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that's pretty huge

hexed willow
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What are you attacking when you have 7 stacks and everything is dead?

strange python
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lol i dunno

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just let me dream

hexed willow
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Haha

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I was a leech swearer too until I saw it was up 4% of the time in m+

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and then I figured I’d rather move 10% fastest at all times

strange python
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In a perfect world, we could take both

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one from each dagger

hexed willow
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Atal was even lower, 2.8% I think it was

steel spire
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AYO its been up for 8%

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its garbungo

deft vault
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whats the weakaura that make a sounds when you grab a witherbark orb?

strange python
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I dunno that 8% of the time it was up, you needed it though

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when you didn't need it, it wasn't up

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That shit gonna save my life

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and so is my undead racial

lyric wind
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how much haste are you guys aiming for?

steel spire
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50%

strange python
oak tangle
lyric wind
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well the bis gear section on wow head say 2 haste rings

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and they sim significantly lower than my geaar so iwas just wondering

boreal pumice
oak tangle
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that probably looks misleading, my 0 means im not aiming for any number in particular

soft shale
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treat the bis gear as a combination type of thing

boreal pumice
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4% uptime isn’t bad

steel spire
oak tangle
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
steel spire
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damn son im fast as fuck

strange python
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lol

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dont pretend you can feel that 10%

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or is it 5%

steel spire
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dont have to character started jogging

hexed willow
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Movement speed you can feel

bleak ivy
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who the fuck at blizzard decided to cap crests bruh

hexed willow
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I’m at 150% in stealth

strange python
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ugh you guys are gonna corrupt me

hexed willow
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I’m zooming

weak bane
steel spire
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when ur character jog looks funny your zoomin bro

soft shale
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i love the human zooming animation

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it is priceless

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BIG STRIDER

strange python
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wait, we get a faster-feeling animation too if we do it?

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or this is heresy

crude dove
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is it a bad idea if i craft 2 weps off the rip?

steel spire
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you like bounce more

soft shale
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at more than 70% you change animation yes

strange python
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jesus christ ok consider me corrupted, going to go try to stack speed

soft shale
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human does longer strides

strange niche
weak bane
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^

soft shale
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tauren holds hooves more etc

strange python
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What's a worse animation in the game than goblin walking in stealth?

crude dove
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i just got my rogue going now im like 430 ilvlish but my offhand wep is still 424 LUL

strange python
strange niche
crude dove
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yea ik

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what would u guys craft?

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are the boots worth without the patch

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cause i crafted blue silken lining on my dagger

strange python
bleak ivy
strange niche
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Personally I have boots + patch on belt because I had it on belt last season

crude dove
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cause i still have 1 spark left

native wraith
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hey guys i am new to the spec is it better to keep apply garrote and rupture to mobs in m+ or just keep focusing on my main target

steel spire
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spread em and go back to the one guy

strange python
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Is that a capital, lower-case i - by the way?

native wraith
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yeah but when i dont have the stealth buff and apply one by one is it just better to focus on one mob

steel spire
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yup we do it one at a time

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🙂

nova kelp
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we take those

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strange python
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2 in the bags too

nova kelp
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just 1 in the bags

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the other is champ

crude dove
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@strange niche i mainly do m+ are the boots still worth without the patch?

strange python
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yes

strange niche
# native wraith yeah but when i dont have the stealth buff and apply one by one is it just bette...

This should never really be an issue, open with garrote, rupture, either garrote same target or a mob that doesn’t have garrote on it yet, rupture again, should never have to individually be putting either of them on mobs. After you have them spread out and you use crimson tempest you basically just single target rotation into one guy except once you have spatter up depending on how many mobs there are you’d use FoK instead of mutilate, only using mutilate to refresh spatter

strange niche
velvet robin
neat horizon
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is there a WA to find morchie ?

gaunt sigil
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Not anymore

neat horizon
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crap

elfin haven
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is it normal to run out of enegry in long 19-20 keys on boss fights? i feel starved half way trhough in between cooldowns

tawny geyser
thorny aurora
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what build are we playing in tyra week

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hybrid?

velvet robin
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i thought we was meant to pool our energy outside of cds

elfin haven
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so Outlaw is allowed to spam non stop to achieve siilar dmg lol

tawny geyser
strange python
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have you tried outlaw?

velvet robin
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which would make assassination easier to play

elfin haven
strange python
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yeah i was gonna say, it feels a lot different than it did in 9.x

green apex
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Listen you're an assassin you gotta plan your attacks or something it's class fantasy

spare hawk
velvet robin
steel spire
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we pool with 4+ points banked

strange python
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I messed with outlaw for a while - and my numbers were always like sometimes really good, and sometimes really bad. I didn't understand the interaction between dance/stealth and BTE. So i was probably popping them when bte on cd when my numbers were bad.

velvet robin
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we also pool before our cds so we can envenom spam

strange python
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i'm gonna go run some keys as OL

steel spire
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gona ruin poor keys PogO

strange python
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lol

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i literallly am

severe sparrow
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Go get one of the crackshot wa that make noises when you get bte refreshes or something kekdog

spare hawk
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Why Nick sims 1,5k more than Soulrender's?

image.png
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stats are very similar

steel spire
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wep has multistrike built in

spare hawk
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but that shit works?

steel spire
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ya

spare hawk
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ª

steel spire
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1% or something

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overall

velvet robin
outer cairn
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!pooling

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nope

fallow acorn
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Command Request: Denied

outer cairn
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
outer cairn
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!summonwhispyr

bleak ivy
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
fallow acorn
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This command is not permitted. We will be removing one Heroic ilevel Branch from your bags as a punishment.

strange python
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oh man

gusty mirage
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there's a pooling WA whispyr put out

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which helps people get comfortable with pooling

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
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did @bleak ivy just vanish?

outer cairn
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So you're saying he puts out?

bleak ivy
strange python
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oof

gusty mirage
outer cairn
keen spruce
strange python
bleak ivy
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Please send donations

image.png
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open a fund me for broke rogues

fallow acorn
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😮

gusty mirage
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blizzard already did

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it's called buy a wowtoken

bleak ivy
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fuck it you right

fallow acorn
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they just nerfed

steel spire
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imagine not buying token at 300k+

bleak ivy
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leggaly buying gold

idle radish
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
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yeah now it takes 5 to equal what 3 were last week

vestal cliff
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Hey guys after the rework does assa do comparable dmg to outlaw in m+?

hexed willow
strange python
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yes it should be comparable at the end of the day

azure bane
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
strange trail
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are deminishing returns a thing that happens when you have too much one stat?

hexed willow
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Stat weights are a thing of the past tbh

dusty loom
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I think you’d be hard pressed to actually hit a soft cap on stats. But assa is suuuuuper evenly spread. We can use everything well.

strange python
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dr just basically means that you get less percentage as numbers of a stat go higher and higher. That's to say that 100 crit may give 1% crit rating...but if you already have 30% crit at 3000, another 100 crit may only give you 30.5 (numbers are fictitious).

dusty loom
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Numbers in general are made up

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Don’t trust em

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Follow your heart

strange trail
strange python
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your intuition

strange trail
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im just gonna sim everything

drowsy hollow
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Only dps spec hitting first and second Dr right now is Aug.

strange trail
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if i focus too much on stats i wont have fun anymore

drowsy hollow
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But Aug has really crappy secondaries

strange python
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!plater

dusty loom
echo geyser
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guys nick of time is bugged right

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and is currently not dropping right

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surely

dusty loom
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Definitely

echo geyser
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im supposed to get two of these?

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strange python
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yeah what would you do missing that 1.7% dps

old ether
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hi, can someone explain caustic spitter to me? its a big difference on my friends caustic spitter when i compare it to a pug i played with

echo geyser
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at this point I have to see it

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its not even about the dps

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i just need to

crimson zephyr
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LFR 1st boss = 69k, 2nd Boss 76k I simmed 94k for raid. Now I'm new to assa, literally just too ka singel target raid talent tree form icy veins and tried it out. I think I'm doing okay? My ilvl is 419 (I played wit ha ilvl 20 back sim might have been with a 430 one)

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dark token
strange python
runic hinge
strange python
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This includes things like Kingsbane, Envenom, etc.

copper galleon
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i want the mastery buff from pip trinket right?

dark token
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Can you even pick

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Isn't it rng buffs

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Like freehold dice

strange python
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If you could trade 1.1% of your dps for 10% leech, would you?
What if it stacked higher, would you trade 2.2% for 20%?
3.3% for 30%?
4.4% for 40%?

normal mist
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Yes

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Never complaining about healing again

bleak ivy
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nah

dark token
strange python
normal mist
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It was his idea xD

strange python
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tf

dark token
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Good idea

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Make acro baseline

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And make a reverse acro talent

normal mist
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Pog

dark token
old ether
strange python
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oh i like that actually

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realz get back in here

spice spire
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He is omnipresent

runic hinge
strange python
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like god?

runic hinge
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Watching me in my sleep

spice spire
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But I definitely do that

hexed willow
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Avoidance > leech

strange python
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I'd trade 5.5% of my dps for 50% leech in a heart beat

hexed willow
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Healer problem!

dusty loom
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Who needs a healer when cloak is off cooldown

strange python
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i'm boutta replace my avoidance enchants with leech

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i bet i can get to 30%

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(when under 50% health)

dusty loom
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Gaming

hexed willow
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How long do you actually stay under 50%

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Cause realistically every time I dip, I’m back up in 2-3s

strange python
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4.51% dmg reduction from aoe?

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sounds like fake news

dark token
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I'd rather have avoidance than leech

crimson zephyr
marble hemlock
dark token
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Get high enough avoidance you don't have to press feint EZ

hexed willow
marble hemlock
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40% leech would be absolutely insane (and it was, back when DH had 50% leech during meta in bfa)

lucid silo
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DH leech in legion was wild

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unkillable

strange python
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I'm like a tank

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oh what's the vers/agi trinket

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ooh if i can get that with leech

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gg

kind forge
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Ember of nullification I believe

strange python
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is that tank only?

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so i gotta like find a tank nice enough

hallow sonnet
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Can only be gained in tank spec

lucid rain
hallow sonnet
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Which is rather odd, since the special text on it would likely proc for you as often

strange python
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and how

lucid rain
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it's the joke boss at the end of throne

strange python
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ahhhh

silver turret
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Hey guys, im trying to main assassination for this Patch. Im am very happy with AOE but on tyrannical weeks i have massive problems with Energie after about 1:30. Some general ideas or tipps?

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i can provide a logg if that helps

strange python
lucid rain
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press mutilate less

strange python
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Try the arterial build - i'm assuming you're running hybrid?

lucid rain
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and yeah blindside is great for energy economy

silver turret
gusty mirage
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it's slow

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when you burn through your tea charges you're kinda just afking

hexed willow
silver turret
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whats pooling?

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mana pooling?

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no im not

real stirrup
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swimming pooling

tawdry flare
silver turret
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it means i sometimes wait for full energie?

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tyty!!

hexed willow
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Not wait for full energy, it’s moreso on the debuff of envenom

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You chain envenoms until you’re out of energy and then recover

azure bane
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
tawdry flare
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We probably just need a pin for the screenshot or Whispyr YouTube video lol

silver turret
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tyty all alot. i have something to read now until i undestand xD

tawdry flare
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(The video was more useful for me)

strange python
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Let's get an AI-whispyr bot to replace whispyr when whispyr is sleeping

hexed willow
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But yeah pooling is important, especially with 4p

oak tangle
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I think that there needs to be a code word at the end of guides where to unlock access to chatting here they have to input

strange python
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To end a sentence with a question mark

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Or to use who, what, when, where, or why - (and sometimes how) - in a sentence.

gusty mirage
tawdry flare
fallow acorn
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WELL BOYS

hexed willow
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Yeah true I love the videos

thorny aurora
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Would you recommend hybrid or shock in tyra? I think shock with blindside is better

fallow acorn
strange python
fallow acorn
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WOOO

strange python
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fucking told you

gusty mirage
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is that your 2nd?

fallow acorn
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first

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over 40 runs

silver turret
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yes of course. i happy do have you guys. in druid forum they are fuking toxic on this beginner questions ^^

hexed willow
gusty mirage
fallow acorn
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40 more to go!

hexed willow
vast basin
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ure half-way through

fallow acorn
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pls heavenly jebus praise my vault for mythic nick of time #2

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lol 😦

thorny aurora
cerulean walrus
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I am so fucking tired of killing Iridikron

thorny aurora
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Cause adds are dying way too fast anyway

cerulean walrus
tawdry flare
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meanwhile T^T

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oak tangle
broken ibex
gusty mirage
fallow acorn
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haha

hexed willow
fallow acorn
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socket week 1 amg

gusty mirage
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@cerulean walrus yes fere that's correct, 2 mythic boxes, 1 heroic box, and 3 483 options in vault

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and I considered a socket

cerulean walrus
fickle trout
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Quick question: you can only farm Kazzak once a day right?

cerulean walrus
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What in the cursed shit

gusty mirage
cerulean walrus
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Was even in there?

gusty mirage
tawdry flare
hexed willow
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Or boots

cerulean walrus
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Fuckin Wrathion

tawdry flare
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rolled up to the vault and saw Wrathion's closet instead?

gusty mirage
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lol

cerulean walrus
gusty mirage
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I took shoulders to upgrade my tier to 483 for free

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and have shoulders to catalyze

cerulean walrus
hexed willow
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I was gonna say shoulders too

gusty mirage
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it was that or neck

broken saffron
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!FUU

prisma monolithBOT
hexed willow
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I got some mythic gloves, it’s ok

gusty mirage
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or socket

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all were roughly the same amount of dps increase sadly

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lol

hexed willow
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I don’t even want to upgrade them though, hopeful for mythic trinkets/weapons

cerulean walrus
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I still haven’t seen a single dagger drop this entire patch

gusty mirage
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from m+?

cerulean walrus
gusty mirage
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go back to falls

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that's your new home

cerulean walrus
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Brother

gusty mirage
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GO

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NOW

cerulean walrus
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I’ve been in there

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IVE BEEN IN THERE OXI

gusty mirage
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it can't be worse than ohio

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just live there

cerulean walrus
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I can fucking quote all of the bosses by memory at this point

tawdry flare
cerulean walrus
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No appeal

tawdry flare
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T^T

gusty mirage
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that one?

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vs the bandolier

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which apparently isn't dogshit for outlaw (lul)

tawdry flare
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Did not see the ilvl tbf

warm ore
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Hey im looking for some help. I seem to be having alot of energy problems on bosses in m+. Any quick suggestions?

hexed willow
strange python
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!dagger

prisma monolithBOT
tawdry flare
gusty mirage
royal lantern
gusty mirage
strange python
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anyone ran ST-Spatter in a m+

dusty loom
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I rarely have energy issues so now I’m worried I’m playing incorrectly

tawdry flare
hexed willow
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If you don’t have IC you’re doing it wrong

strange python
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how bad was it

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yeah you probably need IC at least

tawdry flare
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Pretty horrendous

storm forum
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I did by mistake in a medium key, it was pretty bad

hexed willow
strange python
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i mean i do trash with it in the raid and the #'s aren't bad, ya know

tawdry flare
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Did great on bosses tho KEK

strange python
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prolly everyone else around me is in some ST spec too though

tawdry flare
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If you can squeeze in IC you'll probably do fine

idle radish
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!pooling

dense gust
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!dagger

prisma monolithBOT
tawdry flare
hexed willow
tawdry flare
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LOL

hexed willow
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@tawdry flare Who needs a bot when we’re the bots

tawdry flare
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True and real.

strange python
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oh and you're both assassination - with outlaw cosmetic - coincidence?

dusty loom
idle radish
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is an envenom chain

tawdry flare
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hahahahahah - the image spam

idle radish
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being able to keep envenom up

tawdry flare
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Read the last bit @idle radish

strange python
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envenom chain - is only using envenom in like the last 1 sec of the current envenom buff

tawdry flare
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Do you have 4pc?

hexed willow
hexed willow
strange python
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i like to cut things close, what can i say

idle radish
hexed willow
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Still good practice

tawdry flare
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Then follow the rules regarding not having it or practice like you have it

strange python
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just start doing it now

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and think of all the free dmg you're missing

tawdry flare
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@hexed willow I might start spamming the YT video at this rate

strange python
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enouch to make you log out til tues

distant fox
dark crag
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You can play good and still parse blue when priest and aug don't correctly buff

idle radish
tawdry flare
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I slam it on 3s because I'm impatient

strange python
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jeez

hexed willow
strange python
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yeah i use my shiv at 8.1, my tea at 6.1, and my vanish at 3.1 - because I, too, am impatient.

distant fox
royal lantern
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yes

dark crag
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Some hooks don't work

tawdry flare
royal lantern
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cus you can calculate aug buffs

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for priest you cant

dark crag
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Splatter as an example

distant fox
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Thats why Pi is shown in warcraftlogs so...

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But why are we so far above in raid? Is it only tht we burst qhen we need it (shield, damage amps)?

slim hamlet
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  • PI and weird aug shit
tawdry flare
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I despise Aug.

distant fox
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Cause in Sims we werent insanly strong

slim hamlet
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everything related to aug makes logs broken right now

distant fox
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I want an aug in raid 😦

royal lantern
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delete aug

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delete pi

dark crag
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Imagine you play really good and the priest pi you right after cds kekw

terse orchid
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Happened a bunch today

royal lantern
gusty mirage
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it was pretty sick

distant fox
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Pi before envenom up

terse orchid
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PI before SND up

hexed willow
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Getting a PI on pull is the worst feeling ever

tawdry flare
gusty mirage
strange python
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omg mages be lusting at the instant the pull timer hits 0 too

gusty mirage
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I swear it 100% had to be on purpose

tawdry flare
slow needle
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It was hilarious.

plush gorge
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do you just switch to caustic on mythic gnarlroot or did you change anything else

gusty mirage
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at that point they should've just PI'd the tank

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lmao

dark crag
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And then you argue in raid and you are the bad guy, stupid buff simp specs man

cerulean walrus
hexed willow
tawdry flare
hexed willow
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Because AR used to be the cd to track for outlaw

gusty mirage
slow needle
tawdry flare
slow needle
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And AR has never been something you PI'd as long as PI was back in the game.

strange python
gusty mirage
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tbf outlaw has never been something you'd PI either

dark crag
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The aug answers " i don't know cd timings" why the hell you play aug?

gusty mirage
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it was like sub

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a complete waste of PI

tawdry flare
slow needle
hexed willow
#

Just send it my way I’ll take it

gusty mirage
#

I actually feel like a dirty hooker with a PI macro

#

I hate it

hexed willow
cerulean walrus
slow needle
tawdry flare
#

The two Priests in my raid group PI our Paladins everytime

hexed willow
#

No whispers, no begging, they just see the glow and they go

gray crest
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
cerulean walrus
#

A choice

gusty mirage
#

so I will not be touching sub

#

unlucky

gray crest
slow needle
#

Not even for Smoldery boy?

gusty mirage
#

not even for smolderon

gray crest
#

i was fucking around with it earlier today. its pretty fun when you literally never press vanish

slow needle
#

I'm proper in two minds about it. I've done the fight twice now as Sub and I really dunno if its worth learning the spec for one fight.

royal lantern
#

fuck

#

shadowdust

cerulean walrus
#

Shadowdust is CDR in the cringe kind of way

royal lantern
#

its really hard too make a single talent that ruins a entire spec

slow needle
#

Conceptually it doesn't bother me. Its just needing to learn the timings and actually how to play Sub this patch xD

royal lantern
#

shadowdust is just peak cringe

slow needle
royal lantern
#

like, outlaw cdr is good

#

cus the spec is actually desinged well around it

cerulean walrus
#

Exactly

royal lantern
#

unholy cdr is really fucking stupid

gusty mirage
#

I was actually so hype for sub this tier

#

but dust exists

royal lantern
#

cus its just "what if army more often? xddddddd"

gusty mirage
#

unlucky

tawdry flare
#

Imagine. Pressing vanish as a DPS cooldown.

royal lantern
#

dust is so bad, its actually ridicolous

slow needle
#

I thought the non-dust build is pretty damn close?

cerulean walrus
#

Oxi you better text Realz

#

And say

gusty mirage
#

not my department

cerulean walrus
#

Remove Shadowdust

gusty mirage
#

I'm an internet janitor not a theorycrafter

royal lantern
cerulean walrus
#

You can offer Realz some baklava

jade hedge
#

Vanish is also assa dps cooldown

tawdry flare
#

Oxi-clean, not Oxi-Fix

cerulean walrus
#

And I’m sure he’ll get around to it

slow needle
#

If he was excited for Sub he can still play that Sub.

royal lantern
#

generaly you would play 10.2 sub

slow needle
#

And not be too far behind.

gusty mirage
royal lantern
#

aka 10.1 sub

#

but worse

slow needle
#

RIP.

gusty mirage
#

it actually got smaller

#

used to be 14k

slow needle
#

I last saw the numbers a loong time ago.

cerulean walrus
#

Just cook up a new build

#

Seal that gap

slow needle
#

I didn't realise they'd moved relative to each other.

gusty mirage
#

that's a yikers

#

7400 dps is a lot

strange python
#

i dont get the hate for dust - it feels pretty good to play

gusty mirage
#

lmao

tawdry flare
#

Can I just get the Bonespike legendary back... I like cleaving with a javelin

gray crest
cerulean walrus
strange python
#

why do people hate it?

#

lol dare me to go into sub and say that

gusty mirage
#

playstyle preferences

strange python
#

i didn't realize it was a hot topic

cerulean walrus
#

For the same reason outlaw players hate KIR

#

Unless they’re cringe

tawdry flare
strange python
#

lol ok i'll go try it

gusty mirage
#

like I have an irrational hatred for dust, but I also hate CDR in almost all forms

#

it makes mistakes significantly more punishing for no reason

dusty loom
#

Everyone rn

gusty mirage
#

and like I'm not a god tier gamer

#

so I'd rather not be punished for being human

royal lantern
strange python
#

I just like it i think honestly because i don't know timings yet

#

it's like some level of forgiveness, to me

dusty loom
#

I am NIN main in ffxiv, I like pain

strange python
#

lol i love ninja in ffxiv

dusty loom
#

But sub feels like CBT rn

strange python
#

play that shit with a controller

violet sonnet
#

SD i can understand but SnD you press once like every 3 minutes

errant willow
#

Any tips regarding energy management? I'm struggling to have energy in ST when playing with m+ talents

royal lantern
gusty mirage
royal lantern
#

😄

#

ye

#

lets not start it

gusty mirage
#

we've just agreed to disagree at this point

cerulean walrus
gusty mirage
#

and now we're besties

#

@royal lantern NM_peepoILY

royal lantern
#

🫂

royal lantern
#

brb going sub

dusty loom
#

Sub used to be my forever spec but this last year I’ve felt disappointed

gusty mirage
#

and now that I'm filled with this irrational hatred for shadowdust, I completely understand where he's coming from on SnD

strange python
#

really?

gusty mirage
hexed willow
#

I’m gonna learn sub

strange python
#

Sub feels awesome to me still, but sin has never felt better so

hexed willow
#

Dust and all

cerulean walrus
#

God I love SnD

strange python
#

i think secret technique is awesome

cerulean walrus
#

Truly the most impactful ability

dusty loom
#

But assa feels the best it’s ever felt

gusty mirage
cerulean walrus
#

In the entire rogue kit

strange python
#

I can honestly say outlaw has never felt worse (to me) though

#

i dont like this whole crackshot/bte stuff

dusty loom
#

Secret Technique is kinda what killed sub for me for some reason. It feels awkward

gusty mirage
#

sub also always takes the best rogue conduit from shadowlands now

strange python
#

man i love it

dusty loom
#

Also yeah same on outlaw

gusty mirage
#

quick decisions was legit BIS

#

and I'm mad as fuck that only sub gets it

strange python
#

i think flag still feels good to use

#

i dunno, overall i really like sub and REALLY like current sin

dark token
#

is it just me

#

or is aug trash in keys

gusty mirage
#

the rework was insanely successful,

dark token
#

3x good dps feels way easier

gusty mirage
#

esp in certain dungeons

#

in WM everytime the aug got thorned

#

I left them to die

#

lmao

royal lantern
#

it also doesnt help that soooo many augs are legit the worst players in the game

#

and just got high score fast from their high from last patch

spice surge
#

Tbf assa yoinks a decent portion of their buff damage onto you, but even knowing that they still dont do much damage at all

#

Which is how it should be

dusty loom
royal lantern
#

people saw 3,4k last season->instant invite into 20's

#

now they sit at 2,8k

spice surge
#

Seeing as they buff survivability

royal lantern
#

and play like the worldquest andy ret paladin

gusty mirage
#

ALL THE COOL STUFF MAN

spice surge
#

Having them do the most damage ontop of that was really silly

strange python
dusty loom
dark token
subtle tundra
dark token
#

than this

gusty mirage
strange python
#

i'd take sprint on water talent over kingsbane and sacrifice 27.6% of my dps

violet sonnet
#

dtb vs arterial whos winnin rn

subtle tundra
#

outlaw needs to be completely DOGSHIT for an entire expansion before i can forgive it

gusty mirage
#

its okay guys

#

just get the igira dagger

#

and pretend we still have it

languid moth
strange python
subtle tundra
#

dont care

dusty loom
dark token
languid moth
#

But I do enjoy this sin play style a lot.

gusty mirage
#

yeah the removal of water sprinting was some hoe ass shit

strange python
#

i swear i used to sprint on water as sin

gusty mirage
#

it used to be a glyph iirc

strange python
#

ahh ok yea

soft shale
#

for quite a while yes

royal lantern
dusty loom
#

But hey now we have 120% sprint for 12 seconds

soft shale
#

100

strange python
#

I think this was like 50 BC

#

back when i was born

#

i'm fucking old boys

dusty loom
# soft shale 100

I was counting stealth movement speed increase. Does it not stack?

soft shale
#

it does but you dont always sprint in stealth

strange python
#

might be oldest in here OMEGAKEKW

dusty loom
#

True

soft shale
#

what saddens me is in classic 2005 i raided with people in their 50s and some 60s

#

some of those might under the ground now

strange python
#

oh wow

#

I remember when wow changed - like back in "actual classic/bc" someone had a baby in the raid they had to tend to - they were like getting gkicked.

#

that shit is like standard now

#

now they're all grandparents though

dusty loom
#

No kid gang. Gamer prio

#

Let my depression stem from inside only

strange python
#

my kid is bigger than me now so

loud dome
#

do we delay ashes of the embersoul or off the rip with DM

royal lantern
#

macro ashes with kingsbane

strange python
#

what's the cd on it?

loud dome
#

2m

strange python
#

i'd put it on DM

#

is it 20 sec?

loud dome
#

yeah

#

but it decays

strange python
#

ahhhhhhhhh ok

#

yeah that's probably right then

loud dome
#

so with KB?

slate crown
#

You delay it 3 seconds into KB

strange python
#

you want as much of the agi as you can for as much of KB as you can yeah

slate crown
loud dome
#

bless

strange python
#

you could almost macro it in with shiv then really? assuming you only casted shiv during KB but that wouldn''t be ideal either really

slate crown
real stirrup
#

!daggers

#

!dagger

prisma monolithBOT
rose yew
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
dusty loom
slate crown
# dusty loom Hey what is this?

Dagger from 2nd boss of raid has an on-use effect you can cast on enemies, that picture are the effects the dagger gives you based on the type of enemy

still steppe
#

!race

dusty loom
#

Honestly critter (de)buff is too funny to pass up

royal lantern
#

based critter enjoyer

tawdry flare
#

unless you meant something else then peeposhrug

still steppe
#

idk for dmg what should i go

slate crown
#

Whichever race looks best to pump you up more to do more dmg

still steppe
slate crown
#

I'm not really joking

cosmic socket
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
tawdry flare
gusty mirage
tawdry flare
gusty mirage
#

human is actually most damage tho

strange python
#

Orc is pretty close too for horde, i know that.

royal lantern
#

you know its true

gray crest
#

human and elves are bis for transmog reasons

cunning geyser
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
#

humans look weird af

#

new human models are a big L

slate crown
strange python
#

If they fixed goblin stealth walk, it'd be a consideration

gusty mirage
#

EXCUSE ME

#

FIX WHAT

royal lantern
gusty mirage
#

Goblin stealth animation is actually bis

tawdry flare
#

uh oh

still steppe
royal lantern
#

they would not nuke that

keen spruce
#

i'm gonna go dwarf soon sad

drowsy hollow
#

It does kinda suck how much they nerfed aug dps because their utility is so OP

royal lantern
keen spruce
#

ugly ass dwerf

hexed willow
#

Tauren gives you another aoe stop

still steppe
hexed willow
#

While having magnificent horns

gray crest
#

human models are basic, but i think thats what makes them good

still steppe
#

and council prog is over so i dont really have a need for stoneform in raids anymore

drowsy hollow
#

Sin rogue right now is much easier to get good numbers from than Aug.

royal lantern
earnest remnant
#

im most likely going dwarf for Fyraak

still steppe
slim hamlet
#

the dot

desert orchid
#

are there cut off values for crit and mastery where we really want to start funelling to other stats due to diminishing returns?

slim hamlet
#

no

runic hinge
#

Yeah, whenever the sim tells you to change your gems is the cut off

earnest remnant
keen spruce
gaunt moat
#

Been trying to make hybrid build work for me the last 2 days.
But I can't. No blinside plays aweful.
it sims 3.3% higher than Arterial, but i swear arterial performs better in-game.

#

@keen spruce which build are you playing

indigo mulch
#

Werent you supposed to be able to trade drakes for wyrm crests? O.o

keen spruce
gaunt moat
#

have you tried hybrid?

keen spruce
#

switched off hybrid at the end of last week

slim hamlet
runic hinge
#

AP with blindside has that proc feels good to it

keen spruce
#

they feel basically the same performance wise

slim hamlet
#

in the new zone camp

gaunt moat
#

it's poop right? not just me being bad.

keen spruce
#

i just like blindside

hexed willow
slim hamlet
#

besides the upgrade boi

spice spire
keen spruce
#

they perform the same

hexed willow
slim hamlet
gaunt moat
#

I dunno, i feel like i perform worse in hybrid

indigo mulch
#

😮

gaunt moat
#

i get energy starved too much

keen spruce
slim hamlet
spice spire
keen spruce
#

but convenient

indigo mulch
spice spire
#

When people say they got that dog in them tf you think they mean big dog

slim hamlet
#

idk

#

I do got that dawg in me tho

spice spire
#

I’m busy damn

slim hamlet
#

Yea

still steppe
gray crest
slim hamlet
#

It be how it be

spice spire
royal lantern
hexed willow
spice spire
slim hamlet
#

Bro I wish hotdogs were that cheap

keen spruce
#

i got that dog in me

indigo mulch
#

so close tho 😦

image.png
strange python
spice spire
indigo mulch
spice spire
#

Go to Costco

hexed willow
#

Costco hot dogs will always be 1.50

slim hamlet
#

I aint a freedom person

normal reef
#

!up

prisma monolithBOT
runic hinge
#

I had 4 hotdogs yesterday

spice spire
slim hamlet
#

True

#

o7

keen spruce
gaunt moat
#

@keen spruce For this week i also play AP with venemous wounds instead of FD

spice spire
hexed willow
#

They have Costco in Canada

runic hinge
keen spruce
empty pilot
#

is there a spreadsheet for race comparisons in pve like there used to be?

gaunt moat
#

fllying daggers

keen spruce
#

I use venemous wounds always

#

and flying daggers

hexed willow
keen spruce
#

oh you mean venom rush

gaunt moat
#

ah, yes

keen spruce
#

ye venom rush helps energy a bit

hexed willow
#

I like venom rush

empty pilot
#

im not familiar

hexed willow
slate crown
#

Ah yeah I wwas thinking about VR for tyran weeks

empty pilot
#

ok ty

slate crown
#

Might try that

gaunt moat
#

yeah, helps a bit on bosses, and trash gets deleted anyway

#

by DHs

strange python
grim tangle
#

I just play full ST with spatter and IC, don't feel like I need more aoe than that

hexed willow
#

Ooo forgot about flying daggers

#

I’ll try that next week

kind forge
#

and ofc IW instead of improved poison

distant fox
#

Huh so uber st focus

strange python
slate crown
#

At the very least

strange python
#

What you lose out on CT? but you be pumpin so

hexed willow
slate crown
#

dropping SD means less overlapping bursting potentially

kind forge
hexed willow
#

Why would you iron wire on council?

#

Oh

#

You’re talking about ST for m+ but those swaps

kind forge
#

wait - was it about council ?

#

im trolling

#

sorry

slate crown
#

actually wait, wouldn't bursting be helped by SD a bit ? I feel like the health thresholds from SD are low enough that if you have 4-5 mobs pop sudden demise together, thus giving 4-5 bursting stacks at once, they were probably low enough to all overlap bursting anyways due to bleeds

hexed willow
#

I was thinking of the swap from dashing to IC for council

#

Which is a great swap

slate crown
#

And staggering 5 stacks is more overall damage (because the dot deals damage, then refreshes, and ramps up) than all at once

#

which is less overall damage because there's no ramping damage

grim tangle
#

I am playing the same thing on council and in m+, although probably objectively you want iron wire in m+ but I'm too lazy to switch one talent for that

hexed willow
#

OO

#

Iron wire is insane

kind forge
#

i mean: "5 stacks, stop" -> SD pops

#

so i was thinking about dropping SD since my team also does a lot of trash dmg

#

ye iron wire is a must have imo

#

same as aoe blind with blackjack

strange python
#

what do you guys do at lower keys

safe patrol
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
lucid rain
#

let the dh do the work dracthyr_kek

strange python
#

nothing survives kb

slim hamlet
#

nothign survives kb in high keys either

slate crown
#

nothing survives kb at any level really

#

Just send it if you have more than a minute till boss

#

on the biggest mob in the pack

lucid rain
#

focus on pandemic-ing bleeds and shivving in execute on trash if you're playing AP

slate crown
#

and it'll die early, best you can do

strange python
#

so sin is naturally gutted in keys?

slate crown
#

otherwise, just spread bleeds

lucid rain
#

and spend dance on garrotes

slate crown
strange python
#

wait so do you just

#

uhhh

hexed willow
#

Nah sin still does great

strange python
#

tab bleed entire pull

#

dont care about caustic splatter if no kb

#

or what

hexed willow
#

I like getting bleeds up and then a nice lil shiv for things to blow up

lucid rain
#

pretty much yeah

hexed willow
#

You still CS

strange python
#

whats CS

slate crown
#

Well you still pick a target to CS, then dump envenom into it

lucid rain
#

getting full bleeds up and then shivving under 35% is pretty funny

slate crown
#

spatter

icy iron
strange python
#

oo

slate crown
#

It's actually nice, I like the feeling of packs without KB if I tell myself to nto stress about finding a KB target

#

or kb is down

#

I really dislike pulls where kb is up and I have this stress of finding a kb target and trying to think about it dying or whatever

#

But on pulls without it spreading bleeds, picking a caustic target

#

can still be very strong on damage

strange python
#

so im assuming our tier isnt that big in aoe?

lucid rain
#

just waiting for sub's aoe to get fixed

strange python
hexed willow
#

If it does early I did my job

slate crown
#

but like, obviously pulls where there is a beefy mob, KB pulls are fantastic and fun

slim hamlet
#

I would rather use KB on a prio target than high hp target

slate crown
#

sure

grim tangle
#

just pull mobs onto the boss

strange python
#

wait so im a bit confused here, i think at around 5 target, it

slate crown
#

I mean often those are the same right? not always

strange python
#

its like you cant keep up bleeds over 5 targets, so whats the cutoff before we go into envenom chaining

solemn kite
#

How do you sustain damage on dingle target? I got the opener down but my dps just seems to drop?

slate crown
#

Yes

strange python
slate crown
#

Our damage pattern looks like that

solemn kite
#

Like am I TT to soon? Or lining up shiv wrong?

slate crown
#

Our damage is going to drop significantly after opener, that's just how it works

#

Your goal is to efficiently use your energy during the downphase in preparation for your next KB

solemn kite
#

Okay I just see some rouges maintain a decent number. Might be 4p diff and some gear but I just felt like I was doing something wrong

solemn kite
sonic tartan
#

Kings Bane

solemn kite
#

Got it sorry

#

That makes sense and you always shiv KB?

dull cloak
slate crown
lucid rain
#

seal fate getting yeeted and secret technique nerf

#

well "nerf"

#

it was double dipping some talents

slate crown
lucid rain
#

so it was really a fix

solemn kite
#

Shadow dance into KB then shiv? Is it worth after KB to do garrote and rup?

lucid rain
#

but it didn't get brought back up to pre-fix levels

slate crown
solemn kite
slate crown
#

See the opener section in the wowhead guide for more info about rupture refreshing