#assassination

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slim hamlet
vapid skiff
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but rogue specs are working at least

slim hamlet
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Recently got updated for 3 target cleave too

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Doesn't seem to be updated profiles for 5t but could be wrong

arctic tusk
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how would this look?

slim hamlet
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Just press shiv when bleeds are cooking and u are not gonna use KB anyways

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Usually if I am setting up and shit just dies I press shiv

balmy condor
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In what way

vapid skiff
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@arctic tusk like on single target you cast dance+kb make sure you cover kb with envenom and shiv fully, on short lived aoe, you send kb+dance then let go of your precious kingsbane to apply more ruptures and garrotes to other targets instead

slim hamlet
vapid skiff
slim hamlet
lucid rain
vapid skiff
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and maybe ww too

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ret pala is definetly very sus

slim hamlet
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ret was on 34 last week

lucid silo
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what spec is everyone rocking for m+ this week

slim hamlet
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They got buffed by 31%

eternal nymph
# slim hamlet

That's bc they run a talent that replaces their autos. It explicitly doesn't work with WFT

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There's nothing sus their

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WFT just does nothing for them

rotund wagon
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WW monk also doesn’t auto all the much

eternal nymph
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Literally

slim hamlet
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No one has said there is anything sus going on

vapid skiff
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oh interesting

slim hamlet
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I didn't know that but yea

vapid skiff
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that explains it

slim hamlet
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Wait ww is actually banging

eternal nymph
slim hamlet
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They are almost at tanks this season

arctic tusk
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what packs would you do this on?

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if you have some exampels

balmy condor
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Yeh I mean bloodmallet sims are actually just windfury on vs windfury off

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There’s nothing sus to be about it

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If it’s sus it’s sus for every sim ever run

slim hamlet
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5t sims for sin is not updated right whispyr?

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With actual aoe builds

vapid skiff
slim hamlet
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Imagine taking iron wire when u could gain .3% dps

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smh my head

vapid skiff
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you can get something that sims a lot higher in dslice without iron wire tho

lucid silo
vapid skiff
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but thats no sudden demise and 1 charge shiv

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and its omega cursed

hexed willow
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I miss that person

vapid skiff
slim hamlet
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That person is you

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Did you forget?

balmy condor
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I miss the “caustic sucks” people

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Where they at now

hexed willow
vapid skiff
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caustic is such a massive goat

hexed willow
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I love caustic

slim hamlet
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They disappeared when it got buffed by like 100%

hexed willow
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Caustic goes brrrrr

vapid skiff
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🅱️rrrr

balmy condor
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It hasn’t even gotten buffed recently

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I saw some people hating caustic on like Sunday

slim hamlet
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Has there been spatter haters since?

hexed willow
balmy condor
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internal bleeding in keys goated because carnage or something idk

hexed willow
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Someone was saying internal was better in keys

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Yeah

slim hamlet
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I haven't tried internal tbh

balmy condor
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But then also carnage sucks cause no restealths xD

lucid silo
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i accidentally ran spatter on every raid boss and still topped dps

slim hamlet
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But spatter tho

vapid skiff
slim hamlet
prisma monolithBOT
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Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

  • Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
  • This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
  • You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
  • This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
slim hamlet
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There u go

slate crown
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wait where were spatter haters?

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ever?

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huh?

hexed willow
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Whoa whipsyr why is stealth bad

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I kid

vapid skiff
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war flashbacks

hexed willow
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YOu wrote a beautiful essay last time

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It was super interesting ngl

slim hamlet
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The main benefit of restealths is for real iron wire

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Like on some specific pulls it's rough to not have it

hexed willow
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But that was before i was sin, i was a figure writer strainer

slim hamlet
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But it has to be soo specific to not have dance nor restealth

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1 pull in throne

vapid skiff
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ye true it can help a decent amount

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but like its so overvalued for no good reason

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if you have to lose uptime on whole group for it hell no

slim hamlet
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I mean if MDI champions think restealthing is important

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It's hard to convince a normie

vapid skiff
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ye

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thats true

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normies dont realize MDI champs dont know evvery spec perfectly in and out

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they focus on the shit they play

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and whats being played with them

slim hamlet
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Like when JPC does one singular gcd wrong

cedar star
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are you guys just sending kingsbane at the end of the first platform even though you dont get full duration, knowing it comes back up as soon as you land again?

slim hamlet
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"OMG IS THIS HIDDEN TECH"

vapid skiff
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no one saw an ass for like 20 years in keys

slim hamlet
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No bro he just forgor

vapid skiff
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KEKW

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i member

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"is branch dead i see JPC using ahses"

warped lily
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Guys i think its better to play ST talents this week

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what do u think

vapid skiff
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i think you play blindside arterial

slim hamlet
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Depends what u mean by that

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If u mean swap ttb for blindside and fd for vr

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then sure

slim hamlet
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if u mean swap m+ build for st build

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then no

balmy condor
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Me getting infinite value

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Out of it

vapid skiff
balmy condor
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Get that shit in writing

slim hamlet
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At least try next time

balmy condor
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I sent that to someone and they said “idk I think jpc’s hiding the real reason”

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Actual fucking delusional rats

vapid skiff
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lmao

balmy condor
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Need the whole place fumigated

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Never passing health inspection

candid goblet
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Is branch bugged jpc refuses to use it

vapid skiff
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fucking conspiracy enjoyers man

viral apex
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What did you guys craft first item?

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Boots?

balmy condor
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Ye

vapid skiff
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boots ye

viral apex
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bet

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what about 2nd?

slim hamlet
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I bought be some toxic feet

arctic tusk
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venom rush vs flying daggers?

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in m+

vapid skiff
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venom rush for sure tyran

slim hamlet
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Guys does anyone have some minecraft lets play style videos to vibe to before bedge?

vapid skiff
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but i think venom rush most of the time

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its not a crazy difference either way

lucid rain
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I was trying out internal bleeding last week but it quickly fell off as the keys got higher

slim hamlet
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I only tried venom rush twice but I think I'll just go with it

vapid skiff
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but I would rather load more into prio dmg since some illidan wannabe is gonna delete all small garbage anyway

slim hamlet
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It's so minor you will never realise it but yea

eternal nymph
# viral apex what about 2nd?

Carried over old 447 socketed bracers with toxic patch (BC patch is ilvl irrelevant and bracers with socket last a long time bc bracers have such low ilvl scaling).
First craft toxic boots
Second craft ring was best for me

vapid skiff
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or some guy with 2 angry dogs

white orchid
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on smolderon herpic is anyone holding Cds for like second inter phase? or yalll still blasting everything on CD no matter what

vapid skiff
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they also delete everything around them no effort

slim hamlet
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Pro tip

vapid skiff
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on my reclear today we were holding lust and shit for 1st dmg phase

gusty mirage
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aged like fine milk

balmy condor
gusty mirage
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I'll take the 200% buff tho

slim hamlet
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Play with a shadow priest and you will be able to pad for years on small trash

vapid skiff
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so I popped the smolboi KB+dance on pull then DM full send on 1st dmg phase @nova kelp

balmy condor
slim hamlet
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We were just cooking

vapid skiff
eternal heath
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!dagger

balmy condor
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And people who wouldn’t take “lol no” as an answer

vapid skiff
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people panicing over some sims as usual

gusty mirage
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@balmy condor you also missed a banger this morning, I'll dm it to you

slim hamlet
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I think it's mostly because "why wouldn't they just do what sims most"

vapid skiff
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"but outlaw sims 100k more in dslice" OMEGAKEKW

nova tangle
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Do I manually multidot garrote and rupture in AoE when they fall off from indiscriminate carnage?

balmy condor
slim hamlet
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what does that even mean

slim hamlet
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Are shadow priests opposite sandbagging dslice?

vapid skiff
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you have done so much giga content for learning ass man its crazy really appreciate it @balmy condor

gusty mirage
balmy condor
# slim hamlet what does that even mean

They have python code to compile a composite of dungeonroute sims, think of it like a /simc but it creates a sim that back to back runs 8 dungeons straight for a total of like 5 hours of combat time instead of 6 minutes, and it takes the result and smashes it back together into a composite dps, which is like the upside of dungeonslice variance with the upside of dungeonroute accuracy. Only issue is it’s actually like a 15+ hour sim depending on talent combinations/enchant sims etc, and it’s basically impossible to run for anyone except me in this case cause I got an API key for raidbots developers so I don’t have to run the script locally. So like ends up being really good but also kinda also “Whispyr said so idk”

nova tangle
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New to assassination, do I want to be manually casting rupture and garrote on secondary targets when indiscriminate carnage is down for AoE? For large pulls how many targets should I be looking to maintain them on?

slim hamlet
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Why does spriest have that wicked tech

balmy condor
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Cause Saeldur is insane

slim hamlet
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Seems so

vapid skiff
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what a beast

kindred epoch
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according to sims my best gear rn is with mastery as my lowest stat, is branch really that strong that it changes the stat prio so hard? im crit>vers>haste>mastery rn

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with 476 branch

slim hamlet
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I have heard that is the case for some

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Mastery's biggest value is in CD's but trinket omega DR's it

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I am guessing

vapid skiff
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well what is your current stat values

kindred epoch
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ye thats crazy lol i guess 6k mastery from a trinket is a lot

velvet ridge
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hey does anyone have that WA when you enter M+ hub where it says the names of the portals, im not finding it on WA, dont know what to search for

vapid skiff
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if you have like 5k mastery and 1k vers then not weird vers is better

velvet ridge
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im too lazy to use my ports

kindred epoch
slim hamlet
kindred epoch
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i can put more mastery on but sims telling me to take off that gear for more haste lol

velvet ridge
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yeah i know the mobs, but im too blind too see them far away

slim hamlet
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wait

velvet ridge
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TYTY

slim hamlet
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5 alerts

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monka

vapid skiff
acoustic pendant
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!log

prisma monolithBOT
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Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

slim hamlet
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I saw someone had vers be the best stat

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idk

vapid skiff
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i mean

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i do atm but i dont have a lot of it

kindred epoch
vapid skiff
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can you link a sim of your character btw?

acoustic pendant
blazing jewel
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on larodar reclear

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my tank bopped himself

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to kill me

blazing jewel
kindred epoch
vapid skiff
slim hamlet
blazing jewel
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I almost lived it I swear

exotic pulsar
acoustic pendant
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its a slow kill for sure

slim hamlet
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Also at that ilvl bracket this early they probably got bigger trinkets and weapons

slow chasm
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Progging Hero T.Swift

acoustic pendant
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but maybe there is something i can min max on rotation

vapid skiff
slow chasm
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no pi no aug buffs

slim hamlet
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Yea our volocross today was 2:37

vapid skiff
exotic pulsar
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im certain its just a slow fucking kill

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is reason

slim hamlet
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aug doesn't matter for logs

slim hamlet
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Unless spatter is still bugged, but don't matter for volocross

exotic pulsar
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also why would your windfury totem soak opposite side of room

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you only had wf buff at beginning of fight

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like lol

slim hamlet
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based blue class player

exotic pulsar
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wait you didnt get PI either

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most sin rogues on pure ST fight at 474 ilvl are going to be getting pi

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so get pi, get a shaman that isn't artistic, and kill it faster

slim hamlet
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acoustic*

exotic pulsar
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mb

kindred epoch
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asimetric*

rain mortar
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Crazy how in week two is actually feels terrible to not have 4pc already

slim hamlet
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Felt bad on thursday last week

exotic pulsar
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also this is prime example why you shouldn't just compare logs to other rogues and you should compare logs against your own raid.

slim hamlet
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but

exotic pulsar
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fight times, comp, and strats change DPS numbers a lot

slim hamlet
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muh number?

vapid skiff
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yes

slim hamlet
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it has to be all pretty and pink

vapid skiff
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its way easier to 99 it when others are 99ing it around you

slim hamlet
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Bro the power scaling of this patch is wild

vapid skiff
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yes

exotic pulsar
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ya all 99s = short fucking fight = lust is up a much higher % of fight

slim hamlet
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We already killing nomral gnarlroot before intermission

vapid skiff
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yep

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and fyrakk normal dies before his last phase

slim hamlet
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Yep

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Only reason we didn't was because someone random drummed on adds OMEGAKEKW

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The reactions were worth it tho

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Volocross already under 1.5 min

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insane

vapid skiff
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@kindred epoch its weird i have altho i cope on hero track branch before sending crests and mine is still 463 and my stats are basically bang on even in value rn

vapid skiff
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ye felt crazy to blast through normal and hc so fast already tbh

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but im not used to being in a guild with multiple blasters in it tbf

cunning geyser
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I've seen the pinned message but can someone explain what is going on with this neck?

slim hamlet
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Yea we cleared up til tindral heroic on 3 hours which is absurd considering how much we usually fuck around

vapid skiff
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giga

arctic tusk
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is BM hunter beating sin rogue in m+ from ru guys experience

exotic pulsar
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kazzak has new neck that is barely better than our bis

slim hamlet
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Sometimes bm is right over me sometimes right under

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The only spec really competing

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and havoc

exotic pulsar
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if i get restealths i top often, if its chain pulling i usually get beat

vapid skiff
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we did full normal and hc is 2h then omega lootcouncil break for like 40m something and then smashed out first 2 mythic

arctic tusk
slim hamlet
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lootcouncil after each raid is like 30+ for us too now

vapid skiff
arctic tusk
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how do you guys play the first big pack in galakronds fall

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with lust

slim hamlet
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by not playing it

cunning geyser
earnest remnant
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dot shit up

slim hamlet
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shrouded 90% of the time

earnest remnant
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send cooldowns

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watch it blow up

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profit

arctic tusk
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do you send garrote 3 times?

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more less

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?

earnest remnant
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yeah

vapid skiff
earnest remnant
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3x garrote get 2x ruptures out with IC

vapid skiff
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3 garrotes 2 ruptures then send the dm kb

earnest remnant
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then slam cds

exotic pulsar
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garrote x3 -> rupture -> fan -> CT -> fan -> rupture -> fan envenom and deathmark sequence, i usually peak for about 1.3 mill on that pull

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oh

slim hamlet
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That pack is kinda frustrating because only high health are the fuckers that jumpa round

exotic pulsar
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i forgot to mutulate in there for spatter

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i toss one in b4 cds

slim hamlet
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I just did 21 fall and forgor to apply poisons before that pull

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Worst day of my life

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huge pull with tank dmg

arctic tusk
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aight i think im not

gilded oasis
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rip

vapid skiff
arctic tusk
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think im troling my keys

exotic pulsar
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i did one earlier in my ST spec i was simming before guild dragged me to it

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i did zero damage and had to run out with my tail between my legs

slim hamlet
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u can evasion the whirlwind

exotic pulsar
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to respec lol

slim hamlet
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kinda giga for braindead hitting it

vapid skiff
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oh ye maybe its evasion true

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i use both

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KEKW

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and shadowstep

arctic tusk
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have to tab target for garrote and rupture i assume

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if u wanna be optimal

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in that giant pack

sonic oak
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Guys is the "When circumstances are dire" from embersoul bugged in m+? It never procs for me

exotic pulsar
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i dont until the tail end of it

slim hamlet
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Evasion works on a suprising amount of things this season

exotic pulsar
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you get IC on opener, during dance, and then again on vanish end

arctic tusk
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well dont you waste a garrote by putting it on same target?

exotic pulsar
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so like you shouldn't have to tab unless the pull goes on for like 45 seconds

arctic tusk
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when theres 20 adds

vapid skiff
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if you have IC

slim hamlet
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just learn to mouseover macro kids

vapid skiff
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ideally you have it on mouseover

exotic pulsar
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i mouseover

balmy condor
arctic tusk
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oh i probably shoudl put that on mouseover

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i dont use any macros

vapid skiff
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so you can not drop your target but sometimes its too cursed if its a massive pack that gets kited by tank

arctic tusk
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on sin atm

slim hamlet
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holt shit is that the proc lol

vapid skiff
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and the plates kite you like a mage

slim hamlet
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I thought it was just a kinda cheat death but dmg

earnest remnant
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im a tab target connoisseur

exotic pulsar
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i just have everything on mouseover, its a setting in interface you can use

slim hamlet
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tab targetting with kb+spatter being a thing

arctic tusk
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would you send CT during dance?

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on that big of a pack

earnest remnant
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i dot shit up before sending it bud

slim hamlet
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sure but what then when u gotta redot shit

earnest remnant
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then my KB window is over

vapid skiff
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I send it during dance IF my envenom rupture garrote dont need refreshes yes

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the CT on yuge packs i mean

slim hamlet
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so just wasting precious spatter autos

balmy condor
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Now it procs on wipe basically

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To prevent cheese

slim hamlet
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Smort

earnest remnant
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yeah those poison procs on autos really do be hittin

slim hamlet
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Just make it worthless

slim hamlet
earnest remnant
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i can live without that

slim hamlet
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yea

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I like mouseover most because I can keep prio target targeted

vapid skiff
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ye I prefer mouseover stuff too

earnest remnant
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i only have 1 mouseover macro

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and its a shadowstep macro

vapid skiff
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but ive played a lot of ranged dot enjoyers too and there its even more convenient with mouseover imo

gilded oasis
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mine is focus mouseover

vapid skiff
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ye thats really good

slim hamlet
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non-kick mouseover users scare me

eternal heath
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monks griefing me fellas

slim hamlet
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How can u kick shit in time without

vapid skiff
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and sometimes shadowstep mouseover is really fucking deadly OMEGAKEKW

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when a boss/mob model is too big

earnest remnant
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by having a reaction time shorter than 1sec

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thats how

gilded oasis
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yeah I ditched my mouseover step cause I kept trolling myself

vapid skiff
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and you wanna mouseover an ally to step on and dont use raidframes

slim hamlet
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U still gotta

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But are u like clicking each nameplate, or are u tabbing 20 times until u get right one

earnest remnant
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im the king of 0.1sec kicks

deep latch
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would it be smart to save currency to upgrade weps or just send it on tier?

earnest remnant
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yeah if its not my focus target that my kick is assigned for

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then i would click the nameplate

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and kick it

gusty mirage
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fixed that for you king

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👑

earnest remnant
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Thanks my Emperor

slim hamlet
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spicy

earnest remnant
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i have healer in my guild that hates doing m+ with me

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cuz i will literally kick absolute last sec of the cast

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makes him anxious

vapid skiff
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hating you for stopping dmg

gusty mirage
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how dare you be efficient with kicks

vapid skiff
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smhmh

slim hamlet
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Fine in voice

gusty mirage
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your healer's pugged a lot

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and it shows

slim hamlet
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smh people that kick after u said u would kick because they think u forgor

vapid skiff
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imagine trusting random puggerinos tho

earnest remnant
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its the same in raid

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ive done some funny 0.1sec shadowstep kicks

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gets some funny reactions

vapid skiff
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0.1sec step kicks are gigapog

shy grove
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!WA

slim hamlet
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Guys hot chocy or tea?

eternal heath
earnest remnant
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neither

gilded oasis
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NEED AUG

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
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Bro people need aug and 4pc for +8's

gusty mirage
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enjoy the sunny weather

gusty mirage
elfin patio
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@blazing jewel

gusty mirage
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we had 8 dif tanks sign up for his +19

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and I was like bro are you waiting for andybrew or what

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and he kicked me

eternal heath
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lmao

eternal heath
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I just bricked a 19EB because people couldnt handle staying alive for 3rd boss

earnest remnant
gusty mirage
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DAMN

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scana catching strays

slim hamlet
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I have left 3 everblooms today

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on 3rd boss

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cba

gusty mirage
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I've been nicer to scana and stealthi's gotten meaner

eternal heath
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Our mw kept dyingf

earnest remnant
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he turned of his stream

gusty mirage
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coward

earnest remnant
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im allowed to flame

gusty mirage
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@blazing jewel COWARD

eternal heath
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And our ww was doing less damage than the tank half the time

slim hamlet
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imagine inviting a green rogue this season

gusty mirage
vapid skiff
blazing jewel
slim hamlet
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(I got smashed by a ww yesterday in keys)

gusty mirage
blazing jewel
gusty mirage
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I can only watch imperative wipe to smolderon so many times man

blazing jewel
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ill turn it back on again

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see how it goes

earnest remnant
olive veldt
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sorry if this is a noob question. does the order of poisons applied to weapons matter?

blazing jewel
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its up

gusty mirage
blazing jewel
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stealthi teach me sub

gusty mirage
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and don't apologize, everyone starts somewhere homie

earnest remnant
blazing jewel
elfin patio
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ive played sub for less than an hour

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and we're on smolderon

earnest remnant
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ill help you winning

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but you arent allowed to share

blazing jewel
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I hate it here

gusty mirage
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scana disrespects me to my face

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wow

vapid skiff
# eternal heath dw we wiped on 2nd boss too

I had a 80+ death 18 EB today, just explaining mechanics wasnt enough we had 3 wipes 2nd 7 wipes sol and 5 wipes yalnu aswell had to get som prog to practice it too OMEGAKEKW everyone had it timed on +18 or higher the week before too

gusty mirage
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at least vel and rae were funny about it

earnest remnant
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i miss Rae's PVP and overcooked streams

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those were content

gusty mirage
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I miss rae bullying me

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because it was top tier content

earnest remnant
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just him screaming at Harmy

eternal heath
earnest remnant
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poor guy

eternal heath
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Wasnt even doing 100k hps llmao

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And they kept dying to mechanics

deep latch
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Do our builds change with 4P?

gusty mirage
#

nope

#

same as pre-4p

vapid skiff
gusty mirage
#

even if you deplete

vapid skiff
#

ye because no toxic bs

#

they realized they were bad and shit was hard

#

you learn you get better

gusty mirage
#

I'd rather sit there and wipe and help someone learn something than just dip on them

vapid skiff
#

thats how it should be

eternal heath
#

Learned you gotta stack kinda hard for last boss

blazing jewel
earnest remnant
#

ill never understand the people that feel the need to type in chat

vapid skiff
#

ye

gusty mirage
#

it's a video game after all

#

people forget that

eternal heath
#

It is my LIFE

gusty mirage
#

I will be too

elfin patio
gusty mirage
#

sunday

blazing jewel
#

like tf do I do with my dance after opener

#

I send the 2 together

gusty mirage
#

wdym what do you do

blazing jewel
#

so I have a dance and sectec will come off cd

#

but no symbols

earnest remnant
#

you go on symbols

gusty mirage
#

yeah

#

you wait for symbols

#

lmao

blazing jewel
#

I think I almost overcapped

#

dance charges

earnest remnant
#

then u fucked up

#

somewhere else

gusty mirage
#

well you obv don't overcap dance charges

iron vigil
#

What piece should we be crafting second?

gusty mirage
#

you know this lmao

blazing jewel
sick abyss
#

anyone got a spammable poison weakaura?

gusty mirage
#

this is literally sub 101

earnest remnant
#

you should be able to dance 3x in the opener

sick abyss
#

im getting carpal tunnel

earnest remnant
#

with 1x vanish reset

#

then you wait for next symbols

blazing jewel
#

so I just chain 3 dances together?

gusty mirage
arctic walrus
#

@elfin patio pins

iron vigil
#

Do you mean bracers or belt

lucid rain
lucid rain
#

I need to get all the tier before using this right?

runic hinge
#

No

#

You can just rip it

lucid rain
#

will it give me mythic appearance when I acquire heroic/normal tier later?

runic hinge
#

It will give you the shoulder effects for all appearances

lucid rain
#

ohh

blazing jewel
lucid rain
lucid rain
#

jesus christ

#

I've been timing +18 keys all day on my 460-462 dh

#

then I get to everbloom

#

jfc

vapid skiff
#

and then the everbloom times you

lucid rain
#

YEP

tranquil trout
#

real quick should i be using buzzing or hissing runes

vapid skiff
#

depends on your current stats

#

sometimes howling too

lucid rain
vapid skiff
#

for me its howling for ST and buzzing for AOE

tranquil trout
#

well damn

lucid rain
#

then I get to council in everbloom

#

"you came to the wrong neighborhood mfker"

vapid skiff
tranquil trout
gusty mirage
# tranquil trout real quick should i be using buzzing or hissing runes
###################
copy="Weapons: (haste) Howling rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:howling_rune_3/off_hand:howling_rune_3
copy="Weapons: (mastery) Hissing rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:hissing_rune_3
copy="Weapons: (AP) Whetstone rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:primal_whetstone_3
copy="no weapon oil"
temporary_enchant=disabled
copy="Weapon: (crit) Buzzin rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:buzzing_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3```
If you wanna make the choice easier, take your simc input and slap this at the end of it in an Advanced Sim
vapid skiff
#

there it is ye

#

thats giga

lucid rain
gusty mirage
lucid rain
vapid skiff
#

shit be buzzin fr fr

gray crest
#

good sumaritan oxi out here

gusty mirage
#

fuu was trying to be hip

gusty mirage
lucid rain
#

sumerian?!

#

who's in here reading Snow Crash

odd vale
#

anyone know what recommened talent tree to use for tyrannical

lucid rain
gray crest
#

I cant spell, NA education

gusty mirage
lucid rain
#

still using AP/blindside

gusty mirage
vapid skiff
#

ap/blindside is the goat

torn peak
#

ok its a single target boss fight you did your opener bursted like 200k in +13-14 key youre doing pretty good. Used all your cds didnt fuck up any timings but THEN WHAT how do you keep that burst up? i keep reapplying my dots when they about to go off should i pool at that point or keep mutilating and envenoming (2 new piece no old piece 1 nick of time 1 igira dagger and none of bis trinkets) appreciate all the help

vapid skiff
gusty mirage
remote grail
#

Is there a place where I can place my log to someone take a look at? I'm not doing very well as rogue in general assassination and I would enjoy some insight CloseupCri

torn peak
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
remote grail
sullen mural
#

Honestly even 2+ feels wasted

gusty mirage
#

otherwise you'll be energy starved and sad

torn peak
#

also should i envenom whenever i can or should i envenom when i need that buff for poison apply

static hedge
#

does upgrading your lower crests bypass the weekly cap?

willow wren
#

!dagger

sullen mural
#

I mean no reason not envenom when ur above a certain energy threshold and are sitting on the points

torn peak
#

that means im mutilating too much right

#

also my auto attack must worth something right? cause i feel like dork when im not mutilating and im auto attacking

sullen mural
#

Without 4piece u only need to be above 50% rn

#

with 4 piece u want to be at like 80ish to envenomchain

#

Its just a random heroic boss cuz im not logging my m+'s but its still the same gameplay U kinda just.. Auto hit.. Alot.. xd

lucid rain
torn peak
#

also i kinda wanna try this

#

anyone has video or gameplay for it?

slate crown
#

It's the same basically

#

It's just the same, you just have blindside procs now

sullen mural
#

Ig u try your best to target low mobs to get the ambush procs

vapid skiff
#

no because then you swap your spatter to low stuff

#

you just have the blindside for ST boost

sullen mural
#

Things die so fast in tyran anyways but ig

vapid skiff
#

ye you just bleed everything

#

watch the sudden death go 🅱️rr and use blindside for when its single target stuff

slim hamlet
vapid skiff
#

ye turns out that middleground type of build fits nicely for m+

deep latch
#

is there an animation to the 4P?

vapid skiff
#

I dont think so tbh

#

if it is not very noticable

bronze nest
#

Alright, might catch some shit for this question, but do any of you sin rouge use a rotation helper? and if so which one is best specifically for Sin rouge. I feel that im perfomring pretty well but at times it gets clunky or i dont burst as much as others and im interested to see where im going wrong on some target dummies to see if im missing something in rotation

vapid skiff
#

i have not noticed an animation at least OMEGAKEKW

balmy condor
#

Yeah I mean it’s just arterial with more single target

vapid skiff
#

ye exactly

balmy condor
#

It’s not entirely revolutionary but it just kinda looks wrong considering how much people always value aoe

#

But I guess pendulum swung

vapid skiff
#

its also actually better on aoe when packs live a short time

#

or i mean not beter than full aoe AP

slim hamlet
#

Now people are cooking raid builds + spatter for keys

#

Where did we go wrong

vapid skiff
#

but difference small there and ST increase massive

vapid skiff
bronze nest
vapid skiff
#

ap/blindside

#

ran that most of last week too after trying everything and then some

runic hinge
stable atlas
#

the higher u go the more important ST becomes

bronze nest
# vapid skiff ap/blindside

Whats that looking like on the right side, dropping Crimson and Thrown perscision to take that lower left side?

deep latch
bronze nest
#

im running 21-22's

vapid skiff
slim hamlet
#

Some opting for hybrid

bronze nest
#

still new to it

vapid skiff
#

nice

#

or wait

bronze nest
#

got to almost 2700 pretty easily, now hitting a wall and trying to figure out where im going wrong

vapid skiff
#

no thats wrong build i think

#

sry

spare dust
#

For st in raid are you guys spending a lot of time not doing much to stay over 150 energy?

vapid skiff
#

thats the ST raid build

main monolith
#

hi guys , what is the best talent build for Tyrannical week?

vapid skiff
deep latch
slim hamlet
eternal heath
#

big sadge

#

wiped

vapid skiff
#

fyfan

slim hamlet
#

You care much more about chaining envenoms than sanguine blades uptime

pale wave
balmy condor
bronze nest
balmy condor
#

Like you look at those

#

And tell me how big it is

spare dust
slim hamlet
#

Yea basically

spare dust
#

ThumbsUp as a feral main ty

slate crown
bronze nest
vapid skiff
# balmy condor

so its like 200 st compared to 190k?, when i simmed myself it was about 5% difference and that i would say is pretty big

torn atlas
vapid skiff
#

ye thats what i mean

balmy condor
#

But yeh

#

It loses that in aoe as well

slate crown
torn atlas
#

A simple KB weakaura is enough to keep track of when you want to press things tbh

balmy condor
#

And 5% is frankly not that massive all things considered

tawdry flare
vapid skiff
#

@balmy condor I meant to say its pretty big because i consider the 5% pretty big, when i simmed it was a 5% win in ST and like a 1% loss in aoe and the overall was better with the ST focus choices

slim hamlet
#

I just play what feels best pepe_chad

deep latch
slim hamlet
#

They all so insanely close and good

vapid skiff
#

but like its dungeon and affix and comp reliant tbh

balmy condor
#

5% more single target on 1/4th of your groups damage on a boss is uhhhhhhhhhh

vapid skiff
#

like i usually play with a Havoc friend

balmy condor
#

A number

#

Not large number

vapid skiff
#

and havoc does crazy for free aoe

balmy condor
#

But one of the numbers

vapid skiff
#

so i focus more on prio dmg

balmy condor
#

Yeh

#

At that point just play hybrid though

vapid skiff
#

its not more overall dmg necessarily

#

i mean maybe i got gear enough for that now tbh

#

but the ST variant of AP simmed higher than the hybrid for pure ST for me when i started the ap/blindside

balmy condor
#

Yeh but you’re playing for prio

vapid skiff
#

but i suppose thats not the case at higher gear

balmy condor
#

And the burst is definitely not equal

bronze nest
#

Is the hybrid build better? im decently geared

balmy condor
#

Do you just have your armory link ready to go

bronze nest
#

no, i just snagged it when he said gear mattered

balmy condor
#

I see

#

I wouldn’t even know how to get my character from armory tbh

#

Never used it

#

But anyway

#

The builds do the same shit

bronze nest
#

its just linked to my IO, so i oepend it and clicked it lol

sullen mural
#

I'd probably just sent an raiderio link Kekw

vapid skiff
balmy condor
#

We’re arguing about the most min-max of garbage

runic hinge
#

Must be a boomer because that’s the only people I know who use armory

vapid skiff
#

i mean fair but thats what im about

balmy condor
#

Actually pointless discussion just on a philosophical type deal

vapid skiff
#

im trying to minmax shit

balmy condor
#

But it’s just interesting

#

Cause we got like 25 builds

slim hamlet
#

I tried to find my armory yesterday and it simply doesn't exist

balmy condor
#

And they’re all perfectly fine

slim hamlet
#

I am fake

vapid skiff
#

ye true its all pretty damn close OMEGAKEKW

slim hamlet
#

How the fuck is utilitarian doing best dps at big pulls btw?

#

Am confusion

bronze nest
#

IDK... cause now you have me questioning Venom Rush or Flying Daggers lol

balmy condor
#

Lethality is a hell of a drug

deep latch
slim hamlet
#

I guessed that was it, but weird it scales so well with target count

#

Compared to slamming a tea

vapid skiff
#

ye tea has quite a decent chunk of its worth in energy regen that is completely nullified on cleanly done massive pulls

eternal heath
#

bro that last boss sucks

slim hamlet
#

All my homies hate everbloom tyran

stable atlas
#

been in a 20 rise yesterday, not fun

bronze nest
#

How do you guys feel about running with AUGs

vapid skiff
#

dogshit

stable atlas
#

bad

vapid skiff
#

their dmg is too bad

bronze nest
#

THANK YOU

vapid skiff
#

even if they do good defensive stuff

slim hamlet
#

I feel like scaling is weird

#

Or item level power scaling is just stronger

vapid skiff
#

a super well played aug is like a trashcan normal dps rn

bronze nest
#

i always feel down one DPS with them

eternal heath
#

This was the end of that EB

vapid skiff
#

ye thats how it is atm

slim hamlet
#

In guild runs bosses just evaporate on 20's

eternal heath
#

How do you even do the last boss

#

I was popping KB on the add

slim hamlet
#

Taking aug in pugs is the biggest bait of a lifetime

stable atlas
#

I would pop all on boss and cleave with spatter

#

triple bleed add

vapid skiff
#

might need to pop cds on the add so it doesnt wreck your group

slim hamlet
#

I am still a certified hater

vapid skiff
#

the boss doesnt take bonus dmg when add is alive

eternal heath
#

Yeah that is why I was doing it on add

vapid skiff
#

so you cant cleave from boss that well

eternal heath
#

Because the add would still have like 2.5m hp when genesis started

vapid skiff
#

and your group takes HELLA bonus dmg when add is alive

eternal heath
#

KB was the only way I was getting him down in time for those

#

But then it fucks DM usage

stable atlas
#

i like assa gameplay but I still feel like outlaw might perform better in higher keys rn

vapid skiff
#

ye i had to do that too

slim hamlet
#

The only time I am picking aug is if the timer is free af and we just need to survive

vapid skiff
#

that boss is just cringe once you have to use cds on add

eternal heath
#

Yeah for sure lol

#

And I got a chest

slim hamlet
#

I usually end up using the Lone KB on add

cursive frost
#

outlaw shines in m+ in higher keys due to vers/survivability

vapid skiff
#

unless the add lives your whole dm kb

#

then its ok

slim hamlet
vapid skiff
#

i think its mostly that m+ players are used to outlaw and sub tbh

slim hamlet
#

Vers being important for key pushing has been fake for a while

#

Also vers aint bad for sin

balmy condor
vapid skiff
#

ass burst prio dmg and iron wire is actually just better if they do similar overall

cursive frost
#

i mean i run 13% vers as sin, but run like 28% as outlaw

proven jasper
vapid skiff
#

ass has not been the go to spec for rogues since ever in m+ afaik

cursive frost
#

that 7% less dmg taken plus 5% more stam is kind of a big deal

stable atlas
slim hamlet
#

I am telling you vers being important for key pushing has been fake for multiple expansions

vapid skiff
#

i mean not if you take more dmg because packs are casting and live longer for example

vapid skiff
slim hamlet
#

I remember it in bfa

vapid skiff
#

dps is king litearlly

#

enh shaman s1 DF

#

0 vers 0 defensives

slim hamlet
#

Still brung

vapid skiff
#

some decent offhealing garbage shure

sullen mural
#

Dies to everything

#

just br him at bosses

#

its fine

stable atlas
#

huh u had earth ele, wall, Wolf

vapid skiff
#

but it still gets brought to highest keys

stable atlas
#

enh lived every boss

sullen mural
#

He did not

slim hamlet
#

Likely not

sullen mural
#

Court of stars on tyran last boss

vapid skiff
#

blue class name = death

sullen mural
#

my enh was kissing

#

the floor

#

every key

slim hamlet
#

U can almost always find a way to survive shit

#

Even if the way to survive is a combat ress

vapid skiff
#

like you can survive even on squishy classes when you play it like a gigachad

stable atlas
#

when we pushed high keys s1 I was by far the squishiest dps (enh, boomy, sub)

slim hamlet
#

If it does more dmg and has what u need, u bring it even if it just takes all your combat resses

vapid skiff
#

but similar thing with the enh shaman too insane amounts of cc/stops and shit

#

giga prio dmg giga pack control

slim hamlet
#

Yo

vapid skiff
#

so even if defensiveness was lacking

slim hamlet
#

That's us

#

But we don't die

vapid skiff
#

still brought over old classic with defensives like mage

#

exactly

slim hamlet
#

Holy shit don't tell blizzard

sullen mural
#

Dying as rogue is actually really special

#

like its impossible

spice spire
#

Call me the impossible man

vapid skiff
#

rogue is not tanky to rot dmg

stable atlas
#

feel like assa will inevitably get nerfed and outlaw will become rogue m+ go-to

slim hamlet
#

Dying on rogue is impressive

spice spire
hexed willow
vapid skiff
hexed willow
#

My wrists

sullen mural
#

Dying on rogue only happens cuz u shadowstepped into an aoe

stable atlas
vapid skiff
#

if ass gets nerfed people start pulling big boom big shaq its ya boi secret technique

spice spire
#

Or tank 360 no scopes you with cleaves

slim hamlet
vapid skiff
#

ass has omega leech

#

not the others

slim hamlet
#

There is not rly anything this season that scares me as rogue

slim hamlet
olive veldt
#

Is there any reason to have Kingsbane and Shadow dance on my bar as seperate spells? Or just macro them together. context is m+

vapid skiff
#

ive lived so many packs and bosses when my healer is clueless lying of the floor

slim hamlet
#

I only know one rogue spec

spice spire
#

Checkmate pal

sullen mural
#

I love watching entire party drop to 1hp from bursting just pressing cloak

slim hamlet
vapid skiff
spice spire
vapid skiff
#

or maybe they fixed the shadows on sub tier set by now idk

#

but it createed the waycrest experience in other places too

sullen mural
#

I pulled stuff from upper when i ran lower

olive veldt
vapid skiff
slim hamlet
#

Nah

#

Just simply crit every KB tick

sullen mural
#

Smart

vapid skiff
slim hamlet
#

I don't see the issue

sullen mural
#

Just get a 2nd pi at 1 minute

slim hamlet
#

Oh

#

That's a disgusting thought

spice spire
sullen mural
#

Just have pi for all kbs

spice spire
#

1 PI already has me sending

slim hamlet
#

Wait

vapid skiff
#

bro the priests fucked up my logs earlier, i had double pi but at the same time

spice spire
#

1 per KB

slim hamlet
#

How good is PI on KB actually

vapid skiff
#

no extra value still invalidated log OMEGAKEKW

slim hamlet
#

Is it still like top 3

#

We are so far ahead

spice spire
#

I mean more poison app = good

slim hamlet
#

The other rogue in my guild is sub gamer

vapid skiff
#

so he is your shadow

proven jasper
#

just be the only rogue in the guild :3

vapid skiff
#

❤️

sullen mural
#

i always get my 2nd pi when all my cds are over

keen spruce
sullen mural
#

like bruh just keep it atp

slim hamlet
#

Get a wa

vapid skiff
sullen mural
#

I DO HAVE A MACRO TO WHISPER HIM

#

BRO IS AFK AT THESE BOSSES

vapid skiff
#

HUH

#

i was about to say

keen spruce
#

!whispyr

slim hamlet
#

Spam him 200 times

vapid skiff
#

hook him up with weakaura or whisper macro

#

KEKW

slim hamlet
#

Call his phone

vapid skiff
#

but if you are already doing that then idk

slim hamlet
#

Send him an email

vapid skiff
#

fax him

keen spruce
#

just hot mic his ass

#

in raid

sullen mural
#

Im just gonna start calling it midpull

#

lesgo

proven jasper
keen spruce
#

"AYO PRIEST, I'M 'BOUT TO BUST GIVE ME THE JUICE BABBYYYYY"

proven jasper
#

im not afraid

slim hamlet
#

Get him a walkie talkie

spice spire
#

You gotta deep throat the mic to let them know

keen spruce
#

I'm sure you could code up a lovesense

#

to fire a vibration up his bum

#

when you deathmark

vapid skiff
#

my aug evoker raidleader asks after 2 min of the fight" is it rogue blasting time?" i say "yes its blasting time" and he puts the dragon sauce on me

slim hamlet
#

Modify the wa so instead of glowing your frame, it just blackscreens everything else

spice spire
#

Set up a macro where you yell “they call me communion because I’m the cracker with the juice.”
Idk what else to tell you

sullen mural
#

Imma force him to get a WA that shows wheni use deathmark

#

in the middle of his damn screen

spice spire
#

All priests should have it

zinc willow
#

is there a general number of targets in m+ you try to rupture? or should i stop at 2-3 and focus on envenom with 4pc bonus on a splatter target?

slim hamlet
#

Idk my priest has at least 10 brain cells

#

He can follow a wa

sullen mural
#

4 non crits FeelsBadMan

slim hamlet
#

Seems like a krill issuE

#

I wasn't even typing that to that

#

But it works

spice spire
#

Certified krill issue

earnest timber
#

!dagger

spice spire
balmy condor
#

I wonder how Kamala’s doin these days

balmy condor
#

I haven’t heard from her in 3 years

stable atlas
#

why is Outlaws dslice so disgustingly high compared to sub/sin?

balmy condor
#

Cause dslice is a great profile to crank numbers for specs with no burst

remote shoal
#

Sorry I'm sure this is said somewhere but I couldn't find. In the last 3 secs of kingsbane, is it worth to spend an envenom at 3 cp if it means another in the window after garroting again. I notice I don't have time for another builder often and not sure if its worth. Ty :)

balmy condor
#

No

eternal heath
strange python
#

good meowning sleepy

slim hamlet
#

Why are we like this

#

I aint even tired

vapid skiff
#

idk cursed schedule due to some doomer keys earlier days then simulation gulag and shit

strange python
#

so any good drops yet ?

slim hamlet
runic hinge
#

Bro all anyone posts is drops and vaults. I wanna hear tragedies. I’m tired of wins.

slim hamlet
#

Yea simply better at the game

sullen mural
#

Wheres ur 2nd one clueless

slim hamlet
#

Haven't seen anyone else with vault nick yet

strange python
#

i played yesterday 6x rise yesterday 12-16 gold only sleepy

grim tangle
rancid bane
#

witherbark finally dropped boys

vapid skiff
#

I got one nick after farming last week champion track branch Cring but trash asss vault no 2nd nick or hero branch in sight

slim hamlet
forest acorn
slim hamlet
#

Unless it's mythic

vapid skiff
#

if its mythic its validated

vapid skiff
#

if its heroic kingsbane them irl

runic hinge
grim tangle
#

ofcourse it's mythic

lucid rain