assassination

[haughty flicker]

yeah its just an arbitrary number, every timestrike item has 315 at all ilvls

[feral mason]

Did they fix timestrike damage amp yet

[sick eagle]

got it on my first run, guess I was pretty lucky

[feral mason]

or is it still blasting too much

[void mesa]

Nick of Time OH is bis no matter what, and then highest ilvl dagger in MH. If you have two big timestrike dagger you won the game

[rancid crypt]

am using pooling tool from whisp's WA

https://i.imgur.com/DP37Il6.png what does this icon mean?

[vital haven]

Thats the amount of timestrike you get

[sick eagle]

I think it's for the 4pc bonus

[feral mason]

had my timestrike do like 10% by the end of ozumat fight first week

[void mesa]

Ozumats execution numbers are just broken everywhere

And dont really matter all that much

[gusty mirage]

correct, to maximize the decay from ashes you wanna pop it a few seconds into kingsbane

[feral mason]

yeah also worked on last boss brh

any character damage buff

the boss vuln didnt work but

[subtle tundra]

fuck the branch man

[void mesa]

Mirror breaks it, same for temp summons it seems

[feral mason]

5% damage on brh last boss

[cedar dagger]

I looted pip today

How does it work

[feral mason]

idk if they fixed that yet, was pretty notable though

[subtle tundra]

it does feel good when i autopilot my opener while trying to find the last ball in between 15 melees(30 man hc)

[gusty mirage]

fake varas trying to hold my hands on the leaderboards

[cedar dagger]

Hahahahhaha

If u stand still with branch

It takes 7 sec to let the orbs reach u

[subtle tundra]

what am i supposed to do with that information 😭

[cedar dagger]

That u use sprint to gather it boii

[gusty mirage]

I need you to fuck harder

[vestal wren]

was it real fake varas?

[cedar dagger]

Had 99 parses today fml

[gusty mirage]

idk anymore

[cedar dagger]

How to 100

[gusty mirage]

all the european languages look the same to me

[subtle tundra]

i have 0 parses

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

cause private logging

i parse like shit anyways!

[gusty mirage]

you and stealthi are breaking my heart

[cedar dagger]

[gusty mirage]

you parse 100s in my heart varas

always

[cedar dagger]

PogO:

[shy grove]

coming from outlawl playing without acrobatic harms my heart

i feel like i gotta be INSIDE every boss to hit them

[safe zodiac]

10+ everbloom

im pretty sure i did many things wrong

can anyone maybe point them out to me?

[shy grove]

is running with a resto druid one of them? (kidding)

[clever sapphire]

resto druids are blasting

wdym

also cant point out much from that picture

[safe zodiac]

maybe this helps?

[rancid crypt]

btw, i tried to reset a boss with vanish, it didn't work so great. Are we even able to do resets as rouges? if so, how?

[clever sapphire]

throw knife, vanish, pray

sometimes it work, sometimes it doesnt

[clever sapphire]

i dont see sudden demise anywhere, thats the first thing i noticed

[twin plume]

caustic could be higher maybe?

[clever sapphire]

spatter on lower end

seems like you enjoy the CT dot, but your ruptures run out before mobs get close to dying

that would explain your nonexistent sudden demise dmg

[safe zodiac]

what do i have to do?

[shut owl]

what build are you using, first and foremost

cuz if you've got 0 SD... I'm assuming you aren't running it

as its entirely passive

[safe zodiac]

sudden demise and the mid tree

[shut owl]

how? you'd have to have 0 bleeds on targets as they died

which is real unusual for lower keys

[safe zodiac]

dont ask me how it ended up there

[static glacier]

That’s strange

[shut owl]

incredibly so

[rancid crypt]

do we throw knife, then immideietly vanish? or wait a bit after knife?

[safe zodiac]

i dont get what i did wrong?

[clever sapphire]

asap

but it doesnt always work

atleast for me

[shut owl]

its nigh-impossible to parse a m+ run from a details screenshot; we can only make the most esoteric guesses as to why X Y or Z didn't do damage

[clever sapphire]

sudden demise kills low health mobs when rupture would kill them, the fact that your sudden demise is that low in an everbloom suggessts that your rupture was barely ever on mobs under 35% hp

[sharp forge]

What do u guys play in m+ atm in pugs? i cant decide they all look super fun

[shut owl]

its not just rupture

its all combined bleeds

[clever sapphire]

true true

[shut owl]

it being below mut is weird. real weird

[clever sapphire]

assa, hybrid build cause 4set made AP build useless for me

[shut owl]

everbloom is a SD fiesta

[clever sapphire]

sd is like top 5 for me on everbloom

[safe zodiac]

i know

and im wondering wtf i did wrong

[shut owl]

do you have logs? like, not details, but actually a combat log recorded on warcraftlogs or something? cuz that's prolly the only way you're gonna find out

[fair ingot]

@safe zodiac

was a quick 13 eb i did a bit ago

[clever sapphire]

dafuq is your spatter

[eternal heath]

Right after using catalyst this morning

[safe zodiac]

didnt log it sadly

[clever sapphire]

how are you guys getting these numbers

im confused

[sharp zodiac]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shut owl]

KB does omega damage with spatter

why wouldn't you have spatter damage?

[fair ingot]

if you mean mine it was only a 13 so shit died before i could use spatter 😄

[eternal heath]

Almost got my first 20 with DHT. We wiped at 3% on last boss

[clever sapphire]

if shits gonna die before i can spatter, i skip the ct part

and spatter

also this is too cursed for me, gonna hit the bed

[shut owl]

hell you can get away with not even garrote/rupturing on a full pack if you've got a prio add to get a full KB on

[fair ingot]

not worth at all imo

[clever sapphire]

gl jacq

[safe zodiac]

can anyone show me what a correct overall damage looks like?

[shut owl]

at least in mid-keys

[desert ocean]

I would assume its from not using mutilate enough lol

seems like they are prioritizing bleeds and CT over mutilating

[scarlet gorge]

is there a big difference with rotation between the Arterial vs. Hybrid talent builds on Wowhead?

[fair ingot]

i dont see the reason to try and spatter cleave with kb much if i can only get maybe 3sec out of that kb until the mob dies
i would rather get out more bleeds to execute them better and make use of my old 2piece

much better dps in low keys compared to trying to spatter shit in a 13 tyrannical

[shut owl]

arash there isn't anything that sticks out as "you didn't push this button good enough" from a details standpoint. do another key, and log it, and then maybe you'll be able to get some more definitive data. But right now you're kinda asking folks to take a look at you standing on a sidewalk, from the inside of a moving bus, as it enters a tunnel, and tell you what kinda underpants you're wearing.

[clever sapphire]

black underpants

[clever sapphire]

could be, last time i ran that low, i still had 446 ilvl

[shut owl]

I apologize if that came off as rude; not my intention, but I feel like you'd be better off trying to get better data than asking again with the same set.

[spice spire]

Talk your shit

[fair ingot]

i am telling you it is 😄

and id much rather farm some easy 11-15s for the stupid trinket than trying to do higher keys and have apes quit when they wipe at 2nd boss

[spice spire]

Tell that fraud (this is a joke, idk context at all)

[shut owl]

I always talk my shit

even when I was telling whispyr to run sepsis in m+ last season

[dark token]

I'd rather farm some 20s for the stupid trinket than trying to do lower keys and have apes doing 11s-15s atm quit when they wipe at 2nd boss

[hexed willow]

I saw a heroic nick of time today!

it went to a very nice outlaw rogue

[feral mason]

id rather farm some 17s and have fun with nice friendly friends

[vapid sierra]

waoit a minute

@gusty mirage you play sub?!?

[shut owl]

pretty sure I had the counter-argument dataset to the "stealth doesn't matter" video, via my "how can I maximize stealth garrote" fooling around

[fair ingot]

in 11-13 you can just solo that shit if the tank is still alive 😄

[shut owl]

(I agree though, stealth doesn't matter)

[feral mason]

i had to do 30 runs for branch and then got 483 branch from vault 2 days after

[shut owl]

its just nice for CC on pull 😛

[feral mason]

not that im complaining but wow always knows a lil

how to trigger you

[dark token]

Wouldn't even be mad at that

[fair ingot]

wanna trade your 83 branch for my 89 pants? 😄

[median hound]

hey guys, I'm still a little confused in M+, I've read all the guides and watched some videos but my performance is kinda subpar. I can get big numbers especially on priority target pulls and bosses, so my ST game seems to be ok. It's more about aoe sustain while between cooldowns. are there any tips about aoe pooling and getting all the value out of SB and how to really effectively build CP?

[lucid silo]

should we play venom rush blindside this week?

[dark token]

It was the first branch at mythic ilvl u could find

[feral mason]

yeah

[subtle kiln]

go home old man. you’re drunk.

[feral mason]

its insane just sad i have to wait another week for 4p now

still 8 zenith people have prio before my 4p

[subtle tundra]

buddy.... i do that on 2nd boss in galakrond every key

on tyra

on 17-20

[shut owl]

Dont try to maximize sudden demise, just enjoy the free touch-of-death bloating your damage numbers. Dots are real important, and caustic is free real estate.

[ionic matrix]

Not sure besides aug, who should get 4pc before you...

[feral mason]

we arent looking at sims, giving everyone 1 tier piece outside of the freebies so we have guaranteed 4p next reset

which is fair enough

just a lot of evokers and monks and not a lot of zenith drops

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iW5QMXoqsT9aYYBLdDLS2T

[clever sapphire]

saaaaame, i always solo that boss with my tank buddy

[dark token]

Any big simmers in chat

I know someone beats me

[subtle kiln]

a lot of monks? that’s cursed

[dark token]

Not that good gear

Ok vault

[leaden sundial]

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever sapphire]

i have bad daggers, only 188k sim

[shut owl]

my friend I just broke 460. I doubt I'm anywhere close lol

[dark token]

@final star Post up

[feral mason]

1 brew 2 mist (1 backup) and 1 ww

[fair ingot]

technically had 4set today but i had to pick myth track legs over a normal trinket so i couldnt use catalyst on chest so i am stuck with 3set for this week -.- ^^

[median hound]

I'm already trying to keep everything up all the time. I'm not really sure how to use CT and FoK really. do I just Mut for caustic and then go for FoK?

[dark token]

Stealthi had my sim last week

He's probably much higher now

[shut owl]

FoK in 3+, caustic is kinda low priority outside of cd's

[ionic matrix]

I doubt it big dog. I'm at 205.

[normal mist]

just finished my normal run and reached 2k in m+

b4 2k and raid (normal) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gEgaFnuTwTseq4QP4wo47r

[subtle kiln]

cursed

[shut owl]

and put up CT once and chill. its gonna be your energy drain from sanguine blades if you don't have a ton of rupture out

[normal mist]

After raid and 2k https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4m646b4DRNGF2hwuYhhguD

[feral mason]

ye idk

[dark token]

Why did haste gain so much value with new tier

[feral mason]

rank 1k guild

[dark token]

I was simming vers big now it's all hsste

[feral mason]

we have fun though

[dark token]

Once I got 4p

[ionic matrix]

Energy regen for more envenoms

[dark token]

Ig

[median hound]

ok, thanks. I'll try keeping that in mind. It's just a little demoralizing playing with BM and DH currently, when they press their 3 buttons and stomp you. 😄

[dark token]

I thought the set already had big regen

[storm forum]

toxic patch on my belt or bracers?

[dark token]

Bracer

[ionic matrix]

More powahhhhh

[storm forum]

belt it is thanks

[feral mason]

once you get better gear / better rotation / higher keys you’ll get close to em

[shut owl]

you can dunk on a BM with equivalent gear. I believe in you. DH is kinda 50/50 on how cracked their ragefire nonsense is. prolly less bad this week since bursting disagrees with omegalul ragefire MDI pulling

[feral mason]

but yeah they pop off a lot faster than assa

[shut owl]

if you aren't getting enough up front value: start marking targets with skull, but making something else your kill target with KB/caustic.

[median hound]

yea my gear is still kinda bad and no 4set yet.

[feral mason]

kill target during tyr week

[median hound]

yea, just did a 16 and everything melted away before my first round of dots ticked away

[feral mason]

genuinely couldnt find any good mobs outside of the dino in ad 22 to send dm burst onto

[shut owl]

if you and the other 2 dps all unload on mob A, your KB gonna fall off without a good amount of scaling

[feral mason]

its been rough

gotta do some higher keys

[median hound]

yea, we'll have guildie M+ day tomorrow for some higher keys.

[shut owl]

I don't even bother trying to optimize DM/KB on mid-key trash lol I just hold dm when I get near to a boss

[feral mason]

nice

[slate crown]

Yeah I often will either hold, or I'll full send early without getting everything up so it's rolling and ticking

[final star]

what I do

[feral mason]

this but there was another rogue in that key that kept sending so we had to compare dicks yknow

[slate crown]

depends on the trash pack

[feral mason]

gotta go for the minmax

[dark token]

Post sim

[median hound]

thanks guys. i really like sin this patch. haven't played rogue for quite a while but it's hella fun

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k76NqSENJawYvpScn3qxrS

[feral mason]

inderdeed

[dark token]

Damn you got me

Without even sending crests

[final star]

I have sent crests

[shut owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fGkfSq4AiuYG7c4SrwVs5Y
I'll get there someday 😛

[final star]

I have 2 more mythic track upgrades tho

[dark token]

Oh u upgraded ring over trinket

Interesting

Yeah same

[final star]

yes

fuck branch

that trinket can fuck off

dog shit dog water unsuable waste of space

[blazing jewel]

I think if I send crests we are tied

[dark token]

I got LE updated weakaura with sound

And its actually quite nice

[final star]

I literally do not care about any weak aura

[dark token]

It fixes

It

I promise

[final star]

nothing can make that trinket enjoyable or playable

I have tried it

[dark token]

You don't need to see the balls

You walk forward and left

[shut owl]

Um, ac-chually, its tree water

[dark token]

Tick tick

Then eait

Boom

[final star]

unfortunately

you can't always stand still when you want to

[dark token]

I'm getting very consistent 1/1/7on it even on crazy bosses

[olive pawn]

Guys since ashes trink debuff can be cloaked off, is there ever a scenario where its worth it over branch?

[final star]

after a single night on smolderon

[dark token]

Only boss I would consider swapping is smold

[final star]

I cannot even consider it

it's a piece of shit

[dark token]

And there it's probably ashes branch amyway

Maybe mydas

[candid goblet]

Yeah theres no way its better than Ashes

in a realistic raid fight scenario

[chilly wasp]

Thats not normal with kingsbane on valdrakken dummys right?

[dark token]

Ashes is better on smold

Are u sub smold or @final star

[candid goblet]

I'm sure its better on every fight as long as you have about 10 melee and half of them casting branch at the same time

[dark token]

I literally don't care about them

Do people watch the orbs?

You don't even need to watch em

[candid goblet]

yes?

[dark token]

Use the sound WA

[final star]

yes

[candid goblet]

what does sounds tell?

[dark token]

When you hit an orb

It goes tick

So you don't need to see m

[candid goblet]

how does that make you navigate towards the orb?

[dark token]

Go left

Tick

Right

Tick

Wait

Tick

You don't need to navigate

[candid goblet]

the hitbox is actually surprisingly small too

[dark token]

They are in same positions

[olive pawn]

okay thanks

[dark token]

You just wait for em to drift to you

[slate crown]

What you have to understand

[candid goblet]

you can't just "go left" and hit the orb

[dark token]

If you slightly missed

[gusty mirage]

which is good cause you can't see your own orbs with the 18 other melee

[raven egret]

got enough practice with it now, as long as I know where I popped the trinket its quite reliable to pop them like Soviet mentioned

[dark token]

Yes you xan

[slate crown]

Is that YOU DO NOT go to hit to orbs

[dark token]

I don't see my orbs

[slate crown]

You move in their general direction

plant your feet

[dark token]

Yes

[slate crown]

and THEY come to YOU

[dark token]

And let me. Drift

[olive pawn]

im ass but thinking bout playing sub for smold prog

[dark token]

Don't fucking adad spam

[brazen zodiac]

👋 ❤️

[dark token]

Unless ur trying to extend em

[candid goblet]

well if you wait at least 3 seconds after the cast, yes it will be infinitely easier to pick it up by simple going left

[dark token]

Bruh

Idk how people hate this

[candid goblet]

because it will be right next to you at that point

but not at the original cast

[dark token]

ONLY on smolderon u can complain

Maybe m tindral on bad overlap

[steel geyser]

when i do that i get all 3 of them and the end of kb is not buffed

[raven egret]

That cause of the timing for bursts?

[steel geyser]

i hate this trinket

[dark token]

Even smoldy I prepped trinket before dm

Collect blue orbs same time as red

[olive pawn]

yeah

[slate crown]

You didn't read my other messages

[steel geyser]

i did

[slate crown]

You move towards one of them at the start

[steel geyser]

hard to perform in real situation

[dark token]

It's incredibly consistent 1/1/7 for me

It's not

[slate crown]

It isn't

[dark token]

Once u understand how it works

Where is oxi graph

[slate crown]

It's not oxi

it's memz I thought

[gusty mirage]

[slate crown]

or was that oxi

[proven jasper]

I still havent even seen the trinket drop and i know exactly how it works

[candid goblet]

wdym how it works

its not some 5Head trinket lol

everyone knows how it works

[dark token]

Clearly it is if ur not getting it

[proven jasper]

im talking about how to line up orbs

with cds

but alright relax

[dark token]

You just macro it

With dm

[proven jasper]

yes

[dark token]

When you press DM

[surreal adder]

New to sin… is it a macro that changes mutilate to ambush or does it auto change when you get a blindside proc ?

[dark token]

You walk left

Shiv

Walk right

[slate crown]

I just tested

[dark token]

Kb

[slate crown]

Literally

just got 1/2/5

[dark token]

Wait

[slate crown]

WITH MY EYES CLOSD

[dark token]

Yes I can do it eyes closed lol

[slate crown]

Blindside is automatic now

[candid goblet]

thats not understanding how the trinket works, thats having enough practice to muscle memory the exact amount of movement needed

[gusty mirage]

not 1/1/7 time to delete your rogue

[candid goblet]

trinket works very simple

[slate crown]

I go. Goodbye.

[gusty mirage]

I'll also delete mine in solidarity

[slate crown]

🫡

[gusty mirage]

4/9 was a good run

maybe next expac

[dark token]

I'm lying in bed and close my eyes and I can do the trinket with my mouse

[arctic hare]

1/1/7?

[dark token]

On my bed

And get 1/1/7

[arctic hare]

I guess pick up two at the one second mark and then the third at the 7 second mark?

[thorny pond]

I just stand there and take it like a bitch

?/?/?

[arctic hare]

Lmao

[royal lantern]

wow

you are so cool

[slate crown]

Nice, soviet got the snarky reply and not me despite me doing it first, hell yeah

[runic hinge]

Can you do me the same way?

[steel geyser]

[drifting light]

Is ashes undersimming or are they playing the trinket because they have nothing better than the mythic version?

[royal lantern]

[sharp swallow]

do everbloom rings exist im m+? doesnt show in journal

[thorny pond]

Ashes is available and no time for m*

[candid goblet]

weren't you gatekeeping Assa not too long ago? 😄

[slate crown]

No don't think so, only leather armor and trinket that I see

[drifting light]

Makes sense. So i just trust the sims on this one i guess

[thorny pond]

Always trust sims

[spice spire]

Weak aura privileges Smdh

[royal lantern]

? still do

[slate crown]

We are Sim Trusters ™️ in here.

[candid goblet]

yeah thats equally as cringe

[harsh anchor]

Can I play assa rog plz

[spice spire]

Yes

[candid goblet]

"Don't play my spec, I have been playing it through thick and thin, you don't deserve it!!!!11!!"

[royal lantern]

only if you ask nice

[spice spire]

Play it

[thorny pond]

Oxi, they gonna make me go MW

[harsh anchor]

pwetty pwease with og exsanguinate on top

[thorny pond]

For a boss we may never get to

[spice spire]

Tryan a screecher

[royal lantern]

they saw the endboss?

[spice spire]

Talk about snd to ward him

[royal lantern]

wdym ward, that attracts me

[runic hinge]

And acro

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

? idc about acro lol

[spice spire]

Attracts you? Brother?

[royal lantern]

i just dont play it anymore

[oak sky]

Acro was notter

[runic hinge]

Hmm maybe it was notter. Just remember rodent pfps

[royal lantern]

like

[wild beacon]

i need a plater that makes it super obvious when dots are missing in m+ trash, like smooth brain compatible. the icon just being missing is apparently not enough

[royal lantern]

acro is

eh

kinda pointless now anyway?

[slate crown]

No, Acro was a lot of people

[royal lantern]

doesnt boost spatter/ic range

soooo.....allright?

[thorny pond]

Listen, 80% of y’all were clamoring for acro baselines 4 weeks ago

[spice spire]

Nah there was a large Acro event

A canon event if you will

[thorny pond]

Crying like your mom said “go outside”

[royal lantern]

my take on acro was always

mistake too make it a class talent

cus when you pick it once, it feels bad too not play it anymore

its a curse

[glossy imp]

Acro felt good

[royal lantern]

but like i said

doesnt work with spatter/ic

[thorny pond]

3” makes a difference

[glossy imp]

I like it, I want it, but it isn’t needed

[royal lantern]

so it feels kinda pointless?

[glossy imp]

It just feels good

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-she-said-what-she-said-dirty-joke-joke-laugh-gif-15661968

[glossy imp]

Hell yea

[spice spire]

I was already accustomed to rawdogging the boss

So I still stood in melee range

Like an idiot

[glossy imp]

Your girl would appreciate an extra 3 meters my fellow rogues

[runic hinge]

Call me the boss

[spice spire]

[slate crown]

Excuse me, it's yrds

tyvm

[glossy imp]

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

and hey, never said that

just think FotM rolling is kinda cringe when it comes from people that think they gonna be some big blaster but at the same time dont even know the absolute basics, its just surreal overall

[thorny pond]

Cups and inches and yards or something

[royal lantern]

imaginary meassurments

[thorny pond]

Ok neat

[spice spire]

All measurements are imaginary

[thorny pond]

Be edgy more

Make you a lot of friends

[slate crown]

Except teemos

[spice spire]

Except what

[winter lark]

does anyone know how to sim suboptimal usage of branch - like just eating all 3 orbs insta

[slate crown]

[royal lantern]

ye but yards are used in a fantasy game

[wild beacon]

#assassination message

[slate crown]

#1065728795455266888 message

[glossy imp]

this man out here slaying

[winter lark]

tyty

[thorny pond]

Nice name and pfp

You’re my new mascot

[glossy imp]

Ty dad

❤️

[spice spire]

Lil bro didn’t even choose mine. Man

[indigo mulch]

I finally got witherbark and its honestly really annoying to use 😦

Atleast in m+

[thorny pond]

Just don’t think about it

[spice spire]

ABK

Always be kiting

[thorny pond]

Like 1/1/7 optimal but like

Will it make or break you if you are off

[spice spire]

That’s not even optimal

[thorny pond]

No

[slate crown]

😦 I only recently happened to remember fuu posting it in the sub channel so I just went there

[spice spire]

That’s just a pretty generous good use of it

[wild beacon]

did someone work out the exact timings down to the millisecond

[thorny pond]

Listen my guy, I can take two balls to the face irl at the same time but in game I am not as talented

[spice spire]

It’s fine. I deserve this for all the self advert yokes

[spice spire]

Say less king

[spice spire]

No but 1/1/7 is a very good use

It’s easy to track

[thorny pond]

My timings are like 1/9/25

[spice spire]

And you don’t risk anything major

[thorny pond]

Getting 9/11’d by ranged with mechanics

The reverse branch

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-you-what-what-did-you-do-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-19389913

I s2g end of my shift mfs are wildin

[thorny pond]

The amount of sap that was on me for gnarlroot would make Ru Paul blush

[spice spire]

[slate crown]

Does it matter?

[wild beacon]

not at all i just want to know how degen i can truly get

[thorny pond]

What’s the worst that happens, they mute me again? Tragic

[spice spire]

Also I’d anyone asks about PI timings I’ll stab them.
Whispyr already hit me with some gamer words for it and I was wrong

(He called me the r word)

[indigo mulch]

[hexed willow]

Isn’t it just with dm

[spice spire]

Yes

And ur stupid for thinking otherwise

[hexed willow]

The only person who thinks otherwise is the priest who gives 0 shots about you

[spice spire]

Amen

[candid goblet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1SBekGJsWJy6rw1k38ee4x 200 gang

[hexed willow]

Dibs on PI is a wonderful WA for that reason

[spice spire]

Guild tryna tempt me out by offering PI

[indigo mulch]

[slate crown]

Updated the KB Timer to now give an option to show/hide vanish if you decide to not Deathmark but vanish still available (i.e. if you hold deathmark on smolderon for first intermission), that was bothering me

[steel geyser]

do we have a sim for a late priest taking 3seconds to PI me

[spice spire]

You can do it yourself.
You need the prompt?

[gaunt moat]

@slate crownI don't know if it's already fixed
but version i'm using has aan issue when you use thistle tea, but you still have a charge left, and the tick remains

[spice spire]

external_buffs.power_infusion=0/120/240/360

Just do it 3s after

You can play around and see the world or whatever. It’s a neat thing to have

[steel geyser]

thx but I was memeing

[spice spire]

Fk

You got me good

[spice spire]

[hexed willow]

You get jebaited

[steel geyser]

but its true tho

[spice spire]

Show ur officers the loss

[hexed willow]

Your healers look at chat?

[steel geyser]

nah they have a wa

[hexed willow]

I got one that makes their raid frames glow

[spice spire]

Bench that fraud (again jokes, don’t know any of ur guild)

[hexed willow]

Healers love raid frames

[steel geyser]

xd i love that man

[slate crown]

That should be fixed as of a couple days ago

[bleak kiln]

Hey! Anyone has a WA Timer for Indiscriminate Carnage?

[spice spire]

Iirc Antok is in a decent-ish guild. I’m sure his priest has it too

[rugged wadi]

Does Dance work for IC? or just Vanish

[bleak kiln]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

It wasn't really an "issue" for doing it before because it was something I didn't try to have it do, I just initially started as "Ticks are when they should happen, not a checklist" but I quickly changed that to be more flexible and I think it's better for it. But yeah, fixed now

[slate crown]

Yes, but IC does not extend beyond dance. Vanish gives you the full 10 seconds after breaking. Dance gives you only the 6 seconds of dance

[gaunt moat]

Does CT damage snaps to the amount of targets when used, or targets currently affected?
I.E. if i use it when there are 5 targets, but 4 immidiatly die, does the one the remains still takes 100% more damage?

[hexed willow]

I’d assume targets when used

[slate crown]

Yes: #assassination message

From earlier today I remember

[gaunt moat]

thanks

[thorny pond]

Must be dk

[finite mountain]

feels like assa is overall same dps like outlaw kekw 😄

[dark token]

Whats optimal

1/1/9?

[steel geyser]

if you dont get simped it is

[dark token]

I can try extending it more

[spice spire]

Probably

You can do the sim bit

It’s linked above

[dark token]

But am I really gonna do 10 choose 3 number of presets

Zzz

[spice spire]

Yes

That’s science

[dark token]

That's 120 different presets

Cba

Need a python script to print that out

[slate crown]

I'm sure you can reduce that with some hueristics

[dark token]

Nah I mean I don't mind letting the sim just do 120 combos

It's just annoying specifying it in sim input

Need a script to print it

[surreal spear]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[normal mist]

I just got ignored by 2 rogues in an LFR

this is awesome.

People are so fucking butthurt instead of being polite

[icy iron]

? 😮

[obsidian cedar]

WHICH Guide is better icyveins or wowhead

[runic hinge]

They’re both good

[runic hinge]

Great minds think alike or something like that

[gaunt moat]

We even phrased it the same hah

[normal mist]

all bcs of a dagger from LFR

[lethal widget]

22brh

we pumpin

[steel geyser]

bro the first bubble is dodging me

I hate this trinket

am I crazy or

[sacred steeple]

hello guys, where in the opener is best spot for branch trinket?

[slate crown]

with deathmark

[slate crown]

LMAO wtf

Ok if your orbs do that

then I understand hating the trinket

[lucid rain]

oh my god that's too funny

[dapper otter]

hey guys, any +20 enjoyers in here?

[neat horizon]

What assa build were you playing?

[dark token]

Rofl

That orb

[steel geyser]

[dark token]

Looks like lag? Game thought u ran past it

[midnight mist]

what does sin get from totem

[lethal widget]

standard build

think people are calling it hybrid

[dark token]

Totem?

[midnight mist]

windfurry

[steel geyser]

[dark token]

Poison procs

On autos

[royal lantern]

uwu?

[dark token]

They make ur kb bigger

[midnight mist]

I see

[neat horizon]

Ah yeah with DTB. Does it play the same as if you took arterial precision?

[royal lantern]

ye

[lethal widget]

yea

[dark token]

I'm also surprised it's so big

[royal lantern]

just like your dps

[dark token]

❤️‍🔥

And my

[little moth]

!DAGGER

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[hexed willow]

It’s a weak aura that when you use DM, gives the priest a glow on your name in their raid frames

So you don’t even need to say anything

Or whisper

[neat horizon]

How good is our 4p in m+?

[hexed willow]

They see glow, they pi

[midnight mist]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[dark token]

I actually don't like our set compared to previous

Felt smoother and nicer on aoe

[midnight mist]

its only cause of 4p that you guys have this chaining finisher thing

right

[dark token]

Just 1 day of tier and the envenom spam less cool that big bleed play imo

[hexed willow]

Envenom chaining seems nice with caustic

[mighty nexus]

Anyone know why robot sends x2 garrote during vanish in first KB window on this sim ? I might just be reading too much into it, but I figure there's a reason.

[midnight mist]

and I kinda like that

[dark token]

I mean u still would optimally do it

[midnight mist]

I think it makes sin way more fun

[slate crown]

Well kind of

Imo

[dark token]

To keep envenom buff at all times

[midnight mist]

eh

[dark token]

It just enforces it more

[hexed willow]

5 targets?

[slate crown]

The 4 piece incentivizes playing "correctly"

[dark token]

And makes u prio it

[midnight mist]

I mean it wasnt relevant in SL

or early df

[slate crown]

No but things have changed

[midnight mist]

ye but cause of 4 p

[mighty nexus]

Does the target dummy quicksim go 5 targets? Or is it just ST ?

[midnight mist]

without 4p you guys prolly wouldnt do that right

[dark token]

It was

[midnight mist]

maybe you would cause of exsanguinate

[dark token]

Just we had this talent called EP

Which was shorter duration

[slate crown]

No even without, you still pool, and if you're going to pool, envenom increases your damage, and clipping into it would waste the benefit

[dark token]

And u minmax that instead

[hexed willow]

Great question. No ixda

[dark token]

Of envenom

[slate crown]

What's changed with the tier set is that you want to envenom during pandemic

Without tier you still want to maximize envenom uptime, but you don't have to do that, you can let it drop for a sec

[mighty nexus]

It sends x1 garrote in opener, so I figured it's just a ST dummy

why robot why

[royal lantern]

you never did mate lol

stop making stuff up

what minmaxing was there in EP

it had 100% uptime by defaulkt

[steel geyser]

not overlap it

kidna

in CN

no?

i remember playing somehow around it cause nothing better to do

[strange python]

one question

[royal lantern]

one answer

[strange python]

in aoe after burst when i use fan to get some CP and i get like only 2-3 points its worth tu use rupture anyway just to spread the rupture ? even with low cps ?

when we are pooling energy having 4pc we literally dont use any mutilate until we have around 80% energy?

[steel geyser]

u usually press mutilate then wait at 4+cp for pooling

[mighty nexus]

https://youtu.be/UG0zGACDAuY?si=IcXko77VTd2h5m66

You wanna build cp asap, but wait till envenom is falling off to reapply it

[dark token]

In legion u def did

[royal lantern]

only too maintain bleeds

[dark token]

I kept doing it cause nothing to do

And it's not a loss

[royal lantern]

wdym nothing too do

you sacrificed children for PB rng

legion assa

[indigo ginkgo]

so what buf from dagger is best for the raid ?

[dark token]

Like sin rotation outside of cds

Is nothing

Without chaining finishers

[mighty nexus]

dagger on use is literally 0 dps, so whatever you want personally

[indigo ginkgo]

~that my question

for the raid what is bter for surv

[slate crown]

Your question is what you want personally?

[royal lantern]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[slate crown]

Idn that's something probably only you can answer

[proper forum]

Beast

[royal lantern]

@indigo ginkgo

[proper forum]

The leech is good

[balmy condor]

Is it

[proper forum]

Isn’t it

[slate crown]

is itsnt?

[balmy condor]

It’s 10% leech on a 2-3% uptime

[mighty nexus]

isnt is isnt is

[drifting cloud]

leech has summoned whispyr

[gusty mirage]

[proper forum]

When you need it though
What’s the alternative?

[gusty mirage]

prolly movespeed

[balmy condor]

I mean im not saying there’s better alternatives im saying they’re all worthless

[runic hinge]

If 10% leech is keeping you alive idk what your healers are doing

[gusty mirage]

brother idk if 2-3% is even a reasonable guesstimate

[indigo ginkgo]

ahahaha

[earnest remnant]

@keen spruce

[gusty mirage]

I benefitted from it for

[runic hinge]

I do use that one just for the fall damage tho

[proper forum]

Ya fair
As a former 14 yr healer main I still think like a healer, smart heals (healing when it’s needed) is never a bad thing
Movement could be good too

[gusty mirage]

like 3 seconds on volcross

[balmy condor]

That’s what the eye of the jailer trinket had

98% uptime

With the above 50% thing

Same proc condition

Some fights it was like 99.3% though yeh

[drifting cloud]

I remember some guy asking if its good and linking some log with terrible uptime

[blazing jewel]

how you doing this

[drifting cloud]

that poor souls healers

[gusty mirage]

now imagine if you were human

smh my head

[earnest remnant]

im raccoon

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

git gud

[balmy condor]

Idk, 10% leech is good, 10% leech under 50% is not good

[olive lagoon]

yo everyone what do you think about branch vs ashes on raid? In reality, is the ashes better? TBH we can't find burble Fyrakk

[balmy condor]

You’re not healing anything with that

[gusty mirage]

I shamelessly bought a raccoon pet in poe so stealthi can play the game with me

[balmy condor]

Never ashes

[spice surge]

Thats a natty sim?

[proper forum]

He asked what the best surv option is lol

[spice surge]

Very cracked boi

[earnest remnant]

yep

[hexed willow]

Not necessarily a guesstimate, logs show it to be sometimes an incredible 4%

[exotic pulsar]

Bro people fucking hate rogues, been with this guild for over 3 years, top performer. CE multiple times and during this PI target has changed often and it's never been a big deal but I literally have people in my guild up in arms about sin possibly getting it and literally having hate sessions in discord on how broken rogue is and they cant wait for it to be gutted.

[hexed willow]

10% speed is better

[exotic pulsar]

im just like O.O

[proper forum]

Is that surv

[olive lagoon]

you mean branch is better?

[gusty mirage]

I got your back

one sec

[balmy condor]

Yeh I’d argue movespeed probably better

[balmy condor]

Yes

But like

[earnest remnant]

id only ever play ashes on fights where branch is completely horrid to play

[hexed willow]

Movement speed is damage and survivability

[balmy condor]

Really it’s movespeed or fake cheat or bad leech

[lyric spindle]

With 4PC, what is more important in m+ trash. Keeping up bleeds or prioritizing not letting envenom drop with caustic? I know both are important, but if there was a decision on which global to push.

[balmy condor]

None of it matters literally at all

[hexed willow]

Its the peasant nick of time and I love it

[gusty mirage]

@exotic pulsar send them this in response:

[proper forum]

Still 441 nick of time with new 4 set lol

[gusty mirage]

[olive lagoon]

Is it okay not to try to keep 20 seconds in a difficult situation?

[bleak eagle]

what build should we be playing in m+

[gusty mirage]

I would say just loot the dagger, but apparently unless your name is @earnest remnant that's not a thing

[exotic pulsar]

that will work for sure

[hexed willow]

Both are great

[upper spear]

got branch 10 mins before raid

[keen spruce]

[upper spear]

do i just branch on DM

[gusty mirage]

yes

[upper spear]

do i wait out the orbs

or stand sitll

[bleak eagle]

i was looking at rio and some werent even going ct and going just way more aoe

[balmy condor]

The orbs follow you, I don’t even pay attention to them and it just lines up naturally

[earnest remnant]

i looted 1 more today 🙂

[gusty mirage]

why do you hate me

[runic hinge]

@dark token

[gusty mirage]

what did I do to hurt you

[blazing jewel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dbC8c9dAkCmqq7aFK3Ainr

[gusty mirage]

rough

you sim for less than I do

[upper spear]

do i just stand still on Branch DM or do i need to kite it?

[blazing jewel]

idk how

I feel my gear is really good

[hexed willow]

The orbs are awful for the Manifested timeway

Can’t see them under the sand

[earnest remnant]

lul imagine being that low while having signet

L nerd

[blazing jewel]

[drifting cloud]

it is, its just not upgraded cuz you sent crests on boots or whatever

[dark crag]

They spawn in front left and right. The 3rd behind you

[gusty mirage]

LOOOOOOOL

[royal lantern]

im at run #42 now

[slim hamlet]

Does signet actually do dmg for anyone?

[gusty mirage]

I gave up on run #41, you're stronger than I am

yes

it does damage for a lot of people

[earnest remnant]

we had 3 drop today

[slim hamlet]

It does between 1 and 3% for me

[hexed willow]

Whys you do belt over wrist?

[slim hamlet]

seems rough

[earnest remnant]

none went to me

sadge

[slim hamlet]

We had 3 on heroic and 1 on normal too

insane

[blazing jewel]

socketed mast/crit wrist from vault

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[dark crag]

Real rogues have 4 daggers to play sub at smolderon mythic with sophic enchants

[hexed willow]

Well shit that’ll make me change too

[earnest remnant]

thats my gear

[slim hamlet]

[arctic venture]

guys toxic patch I sould set where?

[gusty mirage]

nice serpent coil loser

[blazing jewel]

I need another nick of time

[hexed willow]

Ha you’re stuck with a serpent

[slim hamlet]

Can't imagine not getting nick of time from vault first week

[earnest remnant]

i have crab

[gusty mirage]

you should see a doctor about that

[hexed willow]

@earnest remnant where’s your blazefury neck

[earnest remnant]

its shit

why would i get it

[gusty mirage]

bro

go farm it right now

[hexed willow]

Smh

[earnest remnant]

no

i dont wanna

[gusty mirage]

smh my head

[dark crag]

Is pips good?

[blazing jewel]

LOGIN BABE ITS TIME FOR KAZZAK

[hexed willow]

Feels < reals

[haughty flicker]

oh shit i forgot about my daily kazzak kill

[gusty mirage]

yes

[slim hamlet]

I still got this

[earnest remnant]

why would i farm a neck

[slate crown]

THX FOR REMINDING

[earnest remnant]

only outlaw would use

[ornate pier]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hexed willow]

It’s decent for us too!

[earnest remnant]

and who the fuck plays outlaw

[slim hamlet]

^

[wary prairie]

Hey guys - do I crimson tempest single target in m+?

[gusty mirage]

um, I had a 447 neck until last night

so

[gusty mirage]

no

[earnest remnant]

well i dont

[arctic venture]

Guys, where Should I set my Toxified Patch? Which part of gear?

[slim hamlet]

It's like 1.4% upgrade for me right now so I am doing it

[wary prairie]

ty

[gusty mirage]

bracers or belt

[hexed willow]

Belt or bracers

[slim hamlet]

and free/easy to farm

[hexed willow]

Fuck oxi let me be useful

[haughty flicker]

still too slow

unlucky

[dark crag]

Crafting a 476 ring won vs 476 wrist

[hexed willow]

Still 😥

[earnest remnant]

doing a PI sim waiting for it to cook

[hexed willow]

Yes but you can get other rings

[earnest remnant]

im smelling 223k

ish

[hexed willow]

476 bracers is a nice stop gap while using aspect crests for real things

[dark crag]

But do they have the food buff?

[royal lantern]

step on lego

[hexed willow]

Just don’t die you’re a rogue

[earnest remnant]

still havent done our mythic reclear yet

there is still gains

to be had

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/xdd-xdding-cat-cute-cursed-gif-27104766

[dark crag]

Can't vanish the wipes on all 3 specs

[blazing jewel]

how could you slander twilight in banshs stream while we were raiding

[slim hamlet]

Just need muh branch

[earnest remnant]

had to

i refuse to watch it

[blazing jewel]

[dark crag]

Is that with pi?

[slim hamlet]

ye

191k without PI and branch

[cunning basin]

[slim hamlet]

Haven't spend any crests this week

Hoping for the darned branch

[cunning basin]

My spriest keeps pi'ing me when the boss is about to fly away or do some other dumb shit so my PI is not real

Feelsweirdman

[slim hamlet]

I love my PI guy

[royal lantern]

getting shadowpriest pi is so weird

like

do they just suck

pi is a personal

they use a personal 4sec before a intermission???

[cunning basin]

That's what I'm fucking saying bro

Why the fuck are you sending CDs there

[royal lantern]

like

[slim hamlet]

The dmg u gain from them waiting to use PI at your timings are probably better than what they gain

[royal lantern]

you do fryaak heroic

and they use pi 2sec before he flies away for 15sec

like

????????????

is that a gain????

[cunning basin]

I can understand sending when I can't melee but you can still hit as a ranged. It's tilting, but understandable

[royal lantern]

i dont get it

[cunning basin]

But literally on fyrakk

[slim hamlet]

tbh people thinking about timings are less common than you would think

[cunning basin]

What you just described

EVERY FUCKING PULL

[slim hamlet]

99% of people just click it when it glows

[cunning basin]

It literally is

I'm like enjoy your +2k DPS buddy

Glad you're costing the raid as a whole 8k

[slim hamlet]

💀

[cunning basin]

👍

[slim hamlet]

Man I am all in for being certified spriest haters

But this one week

Bursting I won't hate too much

[cunning basin]

Friendship with all shadow priests ended

[slim hamlet]

Specially bursting everbloom

[cunning basin]

Except that one guy in my waycrest

[gusty mirage]

you're always useful to me 😗

[slim hamlet]

I haven't even seen a spriest

[cunning basin]

He didn't do much damage but he sure did mass and pi at good times

[gusty sleet]

Okay, been gone a few years Ass Masters, what's gearing looking like for a new returning player 😄

[slim hamlet]

Bro priests PI'ing at a good time in m+ is so hard to find

None of them track CD's

[earnest remnant]

[slim hamlet]

and 90% of them still don't know sin is good PI

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/pogger-gif-26798099

Don't worry I will get you

mark my words

[hexed willow]

Ur incredible

[slim hamlet]

I already lucked out on nick from vault first week, I can do it again

[hexed willow]

Stealthi how do I play sub it looks like magic

[earnest remnant]

press eviscerate alot

that usually helps

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/noway-gif-254273188714127328

[hexed willow]

Outlaw is finger slamming, sin is spinning plates but sub is weird

[cunning basin]

you're so hot and talented

how do i become that hot and skilled

[earnest remnant]

iam the first part

not talented tho

im very mediocre

[slim hamlet]

Fact or cap

pic or didn't happen

[cunning basin]

im aggressively mid

[slim hamlet]

Why not defensively?

[earnest remnant]

you should have been here earlier this year when i had my face as pfp

[cunning basin]

because i yell at people when they ask me why i am so trash

[earnest remnant]

@gusty mirage tell the man

[slim hamlet]

Dad aint here

[gusty sleet]

So, do we always enveom with 6, or can we do 5?

[earnest remnant]

4+

[gusty sleet]

Is overcapping super bad? Like, say I'm at 5, is it better to do it for 5 then mutilate and waste a combo point or 2?

[earnest remnant]

you dont wanna waste cps

[slate crown]

You finish on 4+

[haughty flicker]

you finish at 4,5, or 6

[slate crown]

if you have 4+ combo points, your next damaging move is a finisher

[haughty flicker]

dont overcap just press button

[earnest remnant]

which is why 4+ is the answer

[gusty sleet]

Oh, yeah, sorry lol, I get it now, English is my 3rd language, sorry sorry

[slate crown]

No worries 🙂

[warped bone]

does shadowmeld trigger subterfuge?

[slim hamlet]

Shadowmeld doesn't count as stealth so would be highly suprised if it did

[warped bone]

but you can stealth out of it in mythic trash correct

[slim hamlet]

yes

[warped bone]

just not boss fights

[slim hamlet]

yep

[warped bone]

thx

[hexed willow]

What if your garrote is running out at 4? Can I just garrote and then mutilate

[gusty mirage]

what am I telling him

tldr: I'm the Temu version of Stealthi

he's the more successful lawyer, he's hotter, taller, and a better rogue

[slim hamlet]

what does that mean

[slate crown]

sure, you're not wasting CP

[slim hamlet]

oh

rough

[ornate pier]

How big is aoe for Caustic spatter?

[slate crown]

go for it

[hexed willow]

What about if I’m at 7

[gusty mirage]

you have to delete your rogue

[slate crown]

[earnest remnant]

mans wants a pic for truth

he isnt getting one

[gusty mirage]

nah

[earnest remnant]

thats only for oxi

[gusty mirage]

that's a privilege

[hexed willow]

Shit

[earnest remnant]

and my premium OF

[slim hamlet]

any linkers?

[hexed willow]

If I delete my rogue all that’s left is a Tauren monk named moofoopork

[gusty sleet]

Worth

[gusty mirage]

I mean I'm failing to see the loss here

that's a fantastic name

tragic class choice, but fantastic name

[hexed willow]

He’s Windwalker

[gusty mirage]

rip green rogue

[gusty sleet]

WW > Rogue

[slim hamlet]

oof

[hexed willow]

Thank you

[gusty mirage]

[slim hamlet]

I am struggling to understand why anyone would want to log on a ww monk

[gusty mirage]

they're leaving our brethren to rot

[hexed willow]

[gusty mirage]

ww monk is fun as fuck

wdym