assassination

[spice surge]

Im dreading getting signet, probably gonna pass on it because others seem way more hyped about it

Turbo rng trinket very fun :^)

[split veldt]

anyone try the acro build in the pins yet

i just want pip/branch

[gusty mirage]

I'm dreading every day we're apart

[swift magnet]

yeah but idk I checked a few logs and the damage seems pretty consistent

[ocean storm]

So i got branch the other day and i dont really know how to use it properly

[swift magnet]

*logs

[split veldt]

i lose count how many times my toon yells at me that im out of range

[solid void]

guys, in AOE, do we keep casting FoK during kingsbane in 4+ target situation or is casting mutilate better due to caustic splatter?

[split veldt]

i press mut just to keep spatter up, but idk if that's correct lol

[gusty mirage]

use FoK as a builder in 3+ and you just make sure you mutilate/ambush to keep up spatter on the prio tar

[midnight atlas]

mut is just to refresh spatter, spatter deals dmg with envenom not mut

[split veldt]

like mut - fok - mut again when it's gonna fall off

[solid void]

got ya

[swift magnet]

does the 4p proc deals more damage if you envenom at higher cps?

[agile fossil]

do you guys play the full aoe build this week to or did you switch to hybrid

[tight condor]

For 2nd kingsbane, do we always envenom first, or is it only when we're 4+ cp then?

[oak tangle]

how does the tooltip for IB compare to how much it actually does

[halcyon arch]

I feel so starved playing the hybrid build in m+

Any suggestions

[north tinsel]

Trash in anything less than a 17 feels like utter ass :/

[halcyon arch]

Swap Iron wire > Venom rush maybe?

[oak tangle]

m+ without iron wire, are you mad

[halcyon arch]

For weekly 20s

Not high keys

[zealous bobcat]

Do I take Arterial Precision of bleed build for this week m+

[manic quartz]

Isnt the legs pretty good? like do we opt out from legs in the new tier right?

[slim hedge]

Is it possible that some damage is not being correctly attributed to evokers? Some of our dam, caustic spatter etc isn't shifting whatsoever when switching between augmented and non

[weak sierra]

fine, swap dtb to venom rush...

[woeful iris]

Maybe you could try AP build

[arctic hare]

So starved in what situation in m+ though?

[halcyon arch]

AoE

Mostly

[slim hedge]

Just garrote more bud

[arctic hare]

Uh, hmm…

[halcyon arch]

Kk

[oak tangle]

+5 ruptures out?

[halcyon arch]

No maybe not

[arctic hare]

I don’t have the issue 😂

[halcyon arch]

😄

Thanks for helping

[coral sierra]

How much % does 4pc increase dps? Can’t find on wowhead or pin

[arctic hare]

Theres your issue there, more garrotes and ruptures is your dosage.

[slim hedge]

Dot uptime is key ultimately

[arctic hare]

You can sim it using raidbots.

But uhhh, lemme check.

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[arctic hare]

Aoe or st?

[coral sierra]

St

[arctic hare]

K

[abstract flicker]

does it sound propper that i am simming 150k dps ST with 455 gear? kinda feel this is low

[oak tangle]

i hope that's not considered low, unless you got 4 pc etc

[keen plaza]

Guys is it worth to play 2+2 tier sets?

[oak tangle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iB8ESJCy7CqeryTYTLNB8k

[arctic hare]

And do you want from 2 pc -> 4pc or just nothin to 4 pc?

[oak tangle]

otherwise my 461 ass needs to step it up

[arctic hare]

Yep, wowhead says so anyways

[arctic hare]

@coral sierra

[coral sierra]

Nothing to 4pc

[arctic hare]

K

[coral sierra]

Thank you!

[abstract flicker]

i doubt my sims will rise 20k with 5 ilvl more

[oak tangle]

i have 2 pc 2pc, and a 476 dagger

[coral sierra]

Do you guys fold your TP or crumple it up

[abstract flicker]

same 2x 2p and 476 dagger

[arctic hare]

Fold

[oak tangle]

witherbark and sandglass trinkets here

[arctic hare]

Somethin like 13.5%?

[abstract flicker]

ah ok i got from last addon kinda xD

[coral sierra]

Thanks Frost!

[arctic hare]

Np!

[hidden remnant]

Are there any reason why its bad to macro dance+kingsbane to one button?

[oak tangle]

nope

[split veldt]

i need tier so bad,i still sim 135k ST

[cobalt violet]

kingsbane is on cd so make sure that you dont press the macro in gcd window

[hexed willow]

I have so much vers 😭

[dark token]

Any 220k simmers in chat

[cobalt violet]

I spam it a couple times to make sure

[oak tangle]

even if you do, just press it again and it will still cast kb

[dark token]

I know someone big looted a branch or timestrike dag today

Lemme see the sim

[hidden remnant]

Cool!

Thanks for the help!

[spice surge]

Spatter and sanguine iirc

[oak tangle]

I wonder if anyone can answer this oddly specific question.

For bosses in keys that are between 1 and 2 minutes, is it a) better to hold dm for the second kb window

and b) if a is true, would you still hold it if lust is sent on pull

[rugged wadi]

do we use CT in ST?

[spice spire]

No

[nova flax]

Ur not using DM without KB for any reason at all

[cunning geyser]

I know it's better to sim etc but in general what would be the best stats to put on the wrists crafted?

[nova flax]

Unless its like the last boss of the key and hes really low and u can get a full DM off if u dont wait for KB

[oak tangle]

that's not what i'm asking

[nova flax]

Mastery and crit or haste

[spice spire]

Some combo of those 3 yeah

[nova flax]

Then what exactly are you asking

[echo geyser]

What's the current stance on the 3 globals you should press post vanish?

[spice spire]

Branch craters mastery so it could be crit haste but mastery seems safe

[nova flax]

As long as one of them is an envenom and the other is a garrote id say ur good

[oak tangle]

in a 1-2 min fight, you get a second kb window, if you hold dm for the second kb, you have it in execute

[spice spire]

We’re talking margin riffs

[echo geyser]

A few days ago i was told garrote ambush rupture (adaptable depending on cds going into it ofc), is that no longer the case? was that the case cause of not having current 4pc?

[spice surge]

If you use it on pull youll have it ready for the pack after, which is better in almost all cases anyway

[echo geyser]

In my head with 4pc the ideal world would be vanish envenom garrote envenom right

to fully benefit from the previous shiv

but this is my head

not robot

robot smarter than me

[spice surge]

Rupture or envenom

[nova flax]

I prefer to snapshot my rupture during dance. But u can envenom twice during dance and snapshot rupture after vanish

[spice surge]

Doesnt matter

[nova flax]

Yeah basically what eleem said

[echo geyser]

yea im trying to figure out which one is ideal

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter

[echo geyser]

I was doing snapshotting rupture during vanish

[manic quartz]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[oak tangle]

fair, i guess i wasn't considering so much for the next pull. but say for final boss of a dungeon

[echo geyser]

but with the new 4pc envenoming in vanish seems way juicier

[nova flax]

There are times on heroic bosses where ive held DM on my third kingsbane cuz the boss was at like 45% then sent DM with my fourth one when the boss is sub 35

[spice surge]

4pc isnt affected by nightstalker so it has no effect

[nova flax]

Yeah for final boss of a dungeon its probably worth

[echo geyser]

it does though

because you have your shiv active

when you vanish

so thats one more envenom with increased crit that you can get in your shiv

[spice surge]

Im telling you

It doesnt matter

Either is fine

[echo geyser]

xd

And I am trying

to understand the spec

[oak tangle]

and the follow up, was does lust being sent on pull change that

[spice surge]

The difference in sims is like 5 dps, so if you sim it again youll get the opposite result

It literally doesnt matter

[echo geyser]

ait

thanks

[nova flax]

My friend i have pestered whispyr with so many nitpicky questions like this and have been told ‘it doesnt matter’ every time. It genuinely doesnt matter LOL

[echo geyser]

hahahha fair enough

[spice surge]

Only thing would be if you have aug buffs (aka breath)

[nova flax]

Yeah id say it does.

[spice surge]

Then envenom would be very slightly better

[echo geyser]

that makes sense

tyty

[oak tangle]

thank you 🙂

[finite echo]

if you want to nitpick that hard i'd say just write the apl difference and sim it

if its significant then use the change

[crisp pine]

I just stopped using abilities
Too confusing

[finite echo]

but granular differences of "envenom with 4p in the 3s vanish window instead of rupture is .1% better" is

[drowsy creek]

Is assasin in 10.2 fast paced?

[nova flax]

Was asking about snapshotting CT instead of an IC rupture in aoe and at what target count would that be a difference.

[nova flax]

N O

[hexed willow]

It’s spinning plates not fast paced

[nova flax]

The opener is satisfying

[oak tangle]

i'd say no, but there is precision needed with gcd's at times to keep buffs rolling

[hexed willow]

I agree with the village idiot

[nova flax]

[spice surge]

Do opener > go for a coffee break > kingsbane window > another break > slam deathmark

[hexed willow]

Aoe is the real challenge

It’s fun

[drowsy creek]

I am having problems with my wirst, tendonitis, got it by making classes, however, I was a paladin player, but it is too fast and sometimes hurst my wrists, I will try assassin then

[hexed willow]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-plates-gif-13275991

[spice spire]

Aoe honestly infinitely easier than before in sl (and it does damage)

[hexed willow]

Play deveststion, lowest apm of any class

[nova flax]

True

[spice spire]

So consider this the superior assassination iteration

You get to do damage and have an ounce of skill expression

[slate crown]

!stats

[spice spire]

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[drowsy creek]

I don't care if it easy or hard, my problem is with fast spamming keys, like fury and outlaw seems to be

[oak tangle]

we have 1s between buttons

[spice spire]

Apm can get High in keys once you get saturated with energy

But

[oak tangle]

and times where we can literally do nothing for 13 seconds

[hexed willow]

@drowsy creek

[spice spire]

If that’s fine you’ll be fine doing sin

Because it’s not a nonstop gogogogogo

[runic basin]

is it correct that we craft toxic instead of slimy?

[hexed willow]

i love this graph

[neat plank]

ass rogues who don't mythic raid, what other trinket beside branch are you gonna go for? porcelain crab?

[drowsy creek]

good, thanks for the info guys, gonna try out assassin

[spice spire]

Yes

[hexed willow]

hourglass

[strange python]

dang looks like i should go sub

sometimes i just tryina chill

[drowsy creek]

wasnt expecting subs to be that high with downtime

[spice surge]

Sub has way more offgcds spells

[oak tangle]

if you enjoy planning more than reacting, you'll love it, get some good weak auras, and you can stress your brain preplanning which dots you need to refresh on who and when

[safe wigeon]

guys i got a problem with kingsbane anyone can help?

[strange python]

just ghostly strike right? which you can macro to something but probably shouldn't

[hexed willow]

most of us here can

not all of us, some of us are here to ask questions

[spice surge]

Sub does not have ghostly strike no

[strange python]

oh

[echo geyser]

any weakaura engineers know how to track the dmg of each tick of a dot?

I'd like to see how much dmg each tick of kingsbane did without having to go through logs or details

not really a performance thing more like a for fun thing

[safe wigeon]

when i use kingsbane on shield at boss like tindral at intermisson or fyrakk the kingsbane doesnt damage until the shield goes off
idk why

[spice spire]

Isn’t that something they did in voti?

[safe wigeon]

i mean i use kingsbane at shield its like
0 damage (shield)
doing damage(shield is not up anymore)|

[strange python]

I know you'd have to use some on_event - probably combat log-related. and a hash table to store the ticks for display (not sure what this is called in lua).

[oak tangle]

yo that would be kinda cool to have like 7 boxes come up one for each tick

[slate crown]

Yes

[echo geyser]

yy thats exactly what I was thinking

and like bolded and different color or w/e for crits

[abstract jacinth]

Someone make that I want it now lol

[slate crown]

but

I want to do keys

[spice spire]

Leave poor LE alone

[slate crown]

How's this

[slim sable]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[echo geyser]

hahaha

[slate crown]

Here's how you can make a very simple version

[hexed willow]

its still damage the shield though if you ook at logs

[dark token]

Use notter kingsbane WA

[echo geyser]

I do

[dark token]

It's gives total kingsbane DMG and other stats about it

And high score

[echo geyser]

I just wanted to add ticks to it for more fun looking at it

[oak tangle]

!notter

that needs to be a command

[spice spire]

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

[hexed willow]

Damn blazefury medallion did almost 0.7% damage on a ST fight

[echo geyser]

I have very little experience making advanced weakauras but most of my weakauras are custom made, pretty basic though

[spice spire]

It would be with the other weak auras wouldn’t it

[echo geyser]

but if you give me a hint on how to start

[spice spire]

[echo geyser]

maybe I can do it

[hexed willow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[hexed willow]

nope not there

[slate crown]

Do that, then give it a duration at the bottom of 2 sec

Then have a text :

That will show on screen when kingsbane ticks, and will have the text with the damage it did

You can format the text in Format Options to abbreviate it if you want (i.e. 250000 -> "250k")

[echo geyser]

awesome

[slate crown]

That won't show them all in a list, doing so will need more work

[echo geyser]

i'll play with it after raid and share if it works out nicely

[slate crown]

but that's a fast version you can do to show it

[echo geyser]

gotcha

tyty

[strong wing]

Do we have to change anything in the Dance build ST with t31?¿

[unreal socket]

Should I pick 480 tier gloves or 460 Brand trinket from vault

[spice spire]

?

[slate crown]

No changes to build with t31

[oak tangle]

would you be able to do some scuffed 7 duplicated triggers and use the cast success timer to try and have each trigger snapshot each of the ticks?

[slate crown]

You don't need to

you can do a watched trigger

[craggy river]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

(custom code stuff) you watch the above trigger and send its output into a custom trigger, then record the amount value in the state each time and either A) create a text element to store each tick, which you store as values in your own state, or B) create a single text element which does return characters \n and concatenate into a big list

the former is harder but is much better and lets you format easily with conditions based on info in the tick

the latter is much faster and easier, but worse overall with less configurability

That's how I would approach creating such a list

Or, C) actually what I would do is create a state for every tick so they are fully modular and easier to manipulate in conditions

[echo geyser]

You see, everything you just wrote makes perfect sense to me since i code for a living, but i never played aroudn with that when it comes to weakauras

[oak tangle]

i'm no code expert, and i feel like every time i end a wow season i forget everything i know about custom code in WA

[echo geyser]

is there anywhere I could read/watch stuff about the very basics

of writing custom code for weakauras

[oak tangle]

there is a github of the api

[pallid kite]

what should i get from these

i got this

[slate crown]

Learn about A) Watched Triggers and B) TSU.
Watched: https://github.com/WeakAuras/WeakAuras2/wiki/Custom-Triggers#watched-triggers
TSU: https://github.com/WeakAuras/WeakAuras2/wiki/Trigger-State-Updater-(TSU)

Both are game changers for writing custom weakauras

[echo geyser]

thats perfect

tysm

[oak tangle]

is this watched triggers new?

[slow needle]

Also go find a basic lua guide.

[oak tangle]

i dont recall seeing that on the wiki before

[slate crown]

If you want examples, feel free to study my profile, I make heavy use of the above two concepts in my custom stuff

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

I don't think it's super new, no

[nova flax]

My brother in christ we need to talk about this transmog

[slow needle]

If you don't already know lua.

Its a strange language.

[spice spire]

Self promo LE back

[slate crown]

It shares a lot of similarities to OOP stuff, while not being really OOP

[pallid kite]

i ain't got gold mate

[slate crown]

If you know C#, it'll come quickly

Or really, any language tbh

[slow needle]

It also indexes from 1. 😱

[nova flax]

Are you NA or EU. Im happy to donate to the cause LMFAO

[pallid kite]

EU =)))))

[slate crown]

[hexed willow]

I play a Tauren rogue

[pallid kite]

i still have the dreamfusion and i can make 1 more piece to get a 2 set

but idk if i should choose from the 473 ones

[solemn echo]

Would work towards getting 2pc. Cata and the legs would get you there but lfr pants feelsbadman

Have you done raid this week yet

[pallid kite]

none invites me even on normals

[solemn echo]

Would try for a token first

[steel spire]

im trying ap over hybrid in m+ feels the same but no burst w/ pzn bomb ( am 2pc2pc)

[pallid kite]

so best choise would be 2 piece ?

[restive wasp]

Might be a silly question or asked already but what’s the best way to use branch? Does it like snap shot the mastery so you want to like reapply an empowered garrote before going into death mark? Or does the empowered garrote just scale once you gather the orbs? Maybe over thinking it lol

[pallid kite]

or get the shoulders and make them a piece with dream infusion

because are hero

[solemn echo]

Ideally, would really try and get into a raid first cuz cata on gloves or shoulder would be good

[pallid kite]

cata?

[solemn echo]

Dream infusion

[pallid kite]

oh

[slate crown]

No snapshotting, the only snapshotting we have is Nightstalker. The proper way to use branch is listed in the Trinket section of the Gear page on wowhead.

[solemn echo]

Cata shorthand for catalyst

[slate crown]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[solemn echo]

Saved that lmaoo

[pallid kite]

so take shoulders than and turn them piece set?

and start hoping to get into a normal

for another piece?

[sharp viper]

this needs to be a pin

[pallid kite]

because my shoulders are 428 rn

[solemn echo]

Oh yeah that is big ups

[restive wasp]

Awesome thank you! I was looking everywhere for it but there.

[pallid kite]

is it hard to get another cata for another piece?

[solemn echo]

Next week we get one

It's every two weeks

[harsh anchor]

Ye, the hardest thing about cata charges is waiting 2 weeks for it.

[pallid kite]

so it's no way of farming it

[solemn echo]

Correct

[pallid kite]

only waiting for it every 2 weeks

got it

then i'm gonna get the shoulders

[solemn echo]

I wish ya luck for raid this week man

[pallid kite]

hope so, thank mate

how bad is 85-100k dps overall for 445 assa in m+?

[icy iron]

It troo :3 opener Poggies

[icy iron]

Honestly depends on the key and the level of the key 😂

[pallid kite]

im doing currently 14-16 because i think my dmg is too crap

[icy iron]

In a 19 DHT on Tuesday I did 198k overall with an aug evoker , and 155k overall without an aug evoker in a +18 WM

[pallid kite]

even for those

[uneven summit]

Are people playing full ST in m+ this week?

[icy iron]

Hybrid imo , it’s like almost full ST anyway

Like u still chonk bosses , main thing ur missing is execute + Blindside

But having IC + Demise etc is just a must for keys

Tyran or Forti

[tough bridge]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[icy iron]

Feeling the 10% leech ngl, my healing in dungeons is nuts 😂

Got 29% leech under 50% Hp

[sacred parcel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[shut owl]

Weirdly enough the AP build feels closer to ST in keys for me lol, I've been running it even in tyrannical for most keys

Maybe that will change when I get new tier tho? Who knows :p

[oak tangle]

we climbing

[solemn echo]

Really depends on the group if you are down Ng lower keys with front loaded fps your dots don't get much value at all

Been fucked by other dps sending cool downs when I am try to blast Mark on a big target and end up doing nothing kekw

[hexed willow]

You should look at logs for the uptime

[lone creek]

which weakaura is this

[hexed willow]

I thought it was really good until I saw the uptime. The movement speed one doubles in all m+ and raids

[nova flax]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpicyPolitePicklesAliens-3Sz6Uq5aKrpXjIIi

That is my claim to fame

[hexed willow]

Damn son you looked fresh

[nova flax]

Switched it up for prog tho

[hexed willow]

I wish I could wear boots

[gray crest]

Common troll L

[subtle tundra]

fuck you

[normal otter]

!poison

[hexed willow]

Trolls and Tauren, the loss for being superior

[hexed willow]

Guide details what poisons to use

[lone creek]

dwarf masterrace

[dark token]

Am I missing something

I thought brand outsimmed hourglass

[soft shale]

brand super rng but better on longer fights

hourglass just good

[static glacier]

anyone else considering going for a blue silken lining craft this week?

[keen spruce]

sim 7m

[dark token]

5 minute sim

Sandglass beats pip 489 as well

?

[spring locust]

you guys wanna see a cursed damage breakdown someone had in smolderon?

[oak tangle]

how does the notter wa work, cause how do i get 500% more stacks yet do so much less

[soft shale]

signet is 483

but yea if you try 7 min sim it will change but not by a lot

you can have fun and look at the graph of signet tho

that funny 100k dps variance

[dark token]

Yes I know

[soft shale]

just proc harder and earlier

no luck?

[dark token]

I'm not simming a mythic trinket I can't get for 4 weeks

[soft shale]

it is a cool trink tho

[gusty sleet]

Hey all! Reformed ranged player here. How hard is Ass. to learn and do decently with? I love how it looks and the lore is sweet haha

[soft shale]

link sim and i show you the funny part

[dark token]

Damages yourself kek

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sy6QWynNsjoxuwiTQLqXkn

[sacred parcel]

Guys anyone got a clean plater profile?

[dark token]

7 min

[fickle siren]

whats the pandemic windows for 4cp rupture? below 6 seconds?

[dark token]

Both sandglass and pips are better in aoe tho right

[soft shale]

assa has a bit less variance i guess

yea signet for m+ is only for big coordinated group

that chain pulls

or combat cheeses

you can do that on many dungeons

like with a bdk MCing a mob etc

[potent ferry]

Ive looked thru and the pins and maybe im a bit lost, the standard M+ and ST build are fairly straight forward with me, But with the hybird build. Does anything really change that much as far far as playstyle? If there is a writeup im missing please forgive my ignorance

[soft shale]

but if you keep 15 stacks whole dungeon i expect the dmg to be FUNNY

[slate crown]

30% * 20 sec = 6 sec yes

[dark token]

How does signet brand work in raid fights

Stacks never drop even in intermission?

They don't reset on new targets?

[soft shale]

stacks only drop when you are not in combat

raid fight= always in combat

that is why it is perma bis for fyrakk M

long fight

[dark token]

How long are m smoldy, m tindral, m fyrakk

No mythic logs

[soft shale]

smolderon is less than 6 mins

but enrage is 6

[turbid canopy]

What should i take?
Mind i play outlaw as well and dont do mythic raiding

[soft shale]

tindral is another 7+ https://www.wowhead.com/news/world-first-mythic-tindral-sageswift-kill-by-liquid-in-amirdrassil-336311

fyrakk no one knows

it can be like sark and not change much or like garrosh where you got an extra 5 mins

on mythic

[dark token]

Well hc kills are all above 7

Doubt it's shorter

[soft shale]

yea i hope it is a 14 min banger

been a while

[subtle tundra]

nooooooooooo

[heady drum]

9 min max

[dark token]

14 min a bit long

[oak tangle]

bring back the mythic phase

[soft shale]

yea man i miss bosses like gul dan M or garrosh even argus or kil jaeden

achimonde also was cool as f

[dark token]

I like 9-12 final bosses

[quartz kraken]

Igira Dagger, which buff do you want? leech?

[ripe palm]

Champion Pip>Hero Nick of Time, right?

seeing as it's a farmable item, the dagger that is and the trinket being very strong for a lot of other people

[long pecan]

No man

take nick of time

you need 2

and its rare

youll need on average 30-40 dungeons to get one

[fallow acorn]

they took nick of time out of the game

doesn't exist

[royal lantern]

no

[long pecan]

a guildie got it on the myth track on his 2nd alt...

[royal lantern]

why should i

[fallow acorn]

whoosh

[exotic hearth]

What should I be crafting the bracers with stat wise? or should I just sim and recraft as needed?

[long pecan]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[long pecan]

haste mastery

[oak tangle]

statistically, it is 6.66% chance to get a nick of time, that's on average 15 runs

[maiden stream]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[long pecan]

20% chance of getting a loot

[oak tangle]

20?

2 bits of loot between 5

[long pecan]

ah would be 40 true

0.4*1/8

[oak tangle]

1/6 isnt it

[fallow acorn]

I'm around 30 runs

gawd

[long pecan]

right i was including outlaw loot^^

im bad at math i guess

[oak tangle]

unless there is weightings applied to items

[long pecan]

there probably is but we dont know it

there was for the fist weapon last tier

[quartz kraken]

guessing effects are so minuscle it doesnt matter which one you get right?

[echo geyser]

Can outlaw roll on daggers as main spec? I know assass cant roll on axes etc as main spec

but i see outlaw using daggers on OH thats why i ask

(maybe i should ask this in the outlaw channel)

theres only 1 rogue in my tindral pug and hes outlaw idk if im competing with him for the dagger

[oak tangle]

not even miniscule, that is too large of a descriptor for their effect on dps

[long pecan]

go with giant tbh

[finite echo]

you can change loot spec to assassin

[gusty sleet]

Is there a specific set of poisons we use for open world and raid and stuff?

[finite echo]

if it's not master loot

that's how outlaws get nick offhands

[echo geyser]

but if they are outlaw loot spec

[midnight atlas]

should i get 476 pants and keep them for later upgrade or just tokens?

[echo geyser]

they wont compete with me for dagger right

[finite echo]

if its not master loot then no

[echo geyser]

this guy didnt change to ass for the 2nd boss dagger doubt he will do it for tindral

sweet thanks

[gusty sleet]

We can have 4 poisons equipped?! wtf lol

[outer cairn]

DTB use Amp, Deadly, Atrop, Cripple. If not using DTB it’s deadly and then either crip or mind numb

[amber palm]

it's built to be easy to parse more than anything else, so it has some oddities

[outer cairn]

It’s 5

If you count leech

[gusty sleet]

Coool haha

[oak tangle]

that leeching poison is even called a posion is susge

[outer cairn]

Don’t you take the fantasy away from me. You cannot have that.

[gusty sleet]

So what's DTB? Fresh 70, just questing in new zone, still learning

[maiden stream]

idk anything about the dagger, but you're meant 2 get 2 from galakronds

[oak tangle]

middle talent on the bottom on the right side

[maiden stream]

just wanted to copy the pic for friends

[outer cairn]

It lets you use two deadly and two non deadly poisons

[quartz kraken]

i dont talk about that

[gusty sleet]

Oh okay, dragon tempered blades, oky, I'm using that lol

[cerulean nest]

yall crafting toxic wrists this week?

[mighty nexus]

I did, fatty sim boost

[maiden stream]

just get a set item in vault, 1 from raid, 1 from 2k M+ and catalyst, and u can craft helm, since no great helms this tier at all

[outer cairn]

Make a macro /castsequence reset=10 Amplifying poison, Deadly Poison, Atrophic Poison, Crippling Poison then put it on your bar and click it 4 times.

[long pecan]

Deadly > Amplifying > Instant
Atrophic (raid) > Numbing (Dungeons) >Crippling.

[oak tangle]

que

what you mean crafting helm

[fleet turtle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gusty sleet]

@long pecan awesome, ty! im loving ass rogue so far lol

[toxic tartan]

i thought mutilate was meant to be replaced by ambush on the bars, did they change that before it came out?

[maiden stream]

some1 asked about crafting bracers, which i guess u do to keep slot open for tier helm, but if u get all the other tier items u can just craft helm already

[oak tangle]

only when blindside procs

[toxic tartan]

ah so during stealth it's still mutilate

[outer cairn]

Mut uses Ambush when BS procs. qOL change

[oak tangle]

optimal is to have legs not be tier though

[outer cairn]

No. You should ambush.

[maiden stream]

wait it is? Damn i've mis-looked at that then, or it was updated since i checked

[outer cairn]

Put ambush on your stealth bar and mut on your normal and forget about it

[toxic tartan]

ah gotcha ^^

[oak tangle]

if you have a stealth bar, then you can slot ambush in the same place as mut on the non stealth bar

[dusty phoenix]

what are u guys crafting today

[toxic tartan]

yep you guys are totally right lol i'm being silly

[maiden stream]

yeah well shiet, it was changed since I last looked

[near coyote]

Hey guys just levled rogue to 70, I see Sin is sick in raids, when it comes to M+ do you guys play a diff spec?

Do we have to use two?

[finite echo]

no

[outer cairn]

I’m upgrading bracers to 486 when I get my crests. Not going to craft a dagger I’ll eventually replace.

[strange python]

[oak tangle]

you're fine to stick with assassin in keys

[maiden stream]

think I was looking at sub as well, and decided to avoid the helm cus it was awful for sub @oak tangle

[exotic hearth]

Are we also using corrupting rage in m+ or is another one like tepid better?

[outer cairn]

You can play Sin but it does require a bit more focus on maintaining bleeds and stuff. It’s not as simple as pressing one button or spamming SS/BP

[oak tangle]

yeah there is alot of playing around with crafting, i think the best piece to craft the second embellishment for sin is the belt, because then you can craft the engineering bracers if you need the brez

[left sundial]

can someone tell me for single target have to use weakauras?

[outer cairn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[oak tangle]

have to? never, useful sure

[maiden sierra]

what talent build do we use this week in m+

[outer cairn]

For more ST you can go Hybrid

Also

[oak tangle]

i don't think that's explicitly true anymore

[outer cairn]

I played Toxic last night for a couple and still did fine.

SD proc a bit easier lol

Pugs were like tf?

[oak tangle]

obviously sim your own character to know which is higher dps, but the bis sims which whispyr added to bloodmallet has the arterial build ahead on ST

[steel spire]

assyra is about to steal my trinket

[eternal turtle]

!consumables

[outer cairn]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[outer cairn]

Check there

[eternal turtle]

any1 got that custom sim for weapon runes?

[weak sierra]

that was AP with blindside and venom rush right?

toxic and flying dagger is liek 13k behind regular hybrid

[oak tangle]

ya

[thorny spindle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[strange python]

damn 4p enjoyers turned my 95 into a 91 overnight

[tawdry flare]

It's very cool that Sin has so many viable builds.

[stiff kernel]

Is the 4p aoe massively noticeable?

[strange python]

it's very cool that sub can take acro

[strange python]

I can't answer that but - on aoe fights last night - our 4p sin rogue was poppin off like 20-30% higher than everyone

[tawdry flare]

I really don't notice it being gone.

Outlaw and Sub do have go-go-gadget extendo arms tho

[stiff kernel]

Nice I’m sitting on 3p and was contemplating going over to outlaw but I think I’ll just tough it out get my KSM and token the 4p ez and then bigdickdamage.gov m+

[grim jay]

not really

hybrid dslice is higher

[iron valve]

does 4pc change aoe priority? like preferring to focus on caustic spatter and envenom spam over keeping rupture on everything?

[oak tangle]

on ST?

[grim jay]

yes for me that is

[glacial arch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[oak tangle]

are you sure?

[grim jay]

I didnt write a full sentence

sorry 😄

[night delta]

wow are you kidding me T31 makes that big of a dif ?

[oak tangle]

either way the difference isnt overly appreciable

[oak tangle]

that's not the tier set, that is the baseline single target build

[night delta]

ah oh ok nvm then

[mighty nexus]

4p do be goated tho, feels good

[oak tangle]

you add targets it dissapears

[night delta]

yeah no kiding

[stiff kernel]

Why’s it falling off so hard?

[oak tangle]

because it's our single target build

[stiff kernel]

Oh that makes sense

Are all the other plotted points using T31 in the sim? Like the dungeon slice or hybrid etc

[oak tangle]

they are all using the tier set

[stiff kernel]

Alright I was just confused on why there was a specifically labeled T31, I thought “hybrid” might have meant t30/31 2p/2p

[oak tangle]

it's the way they have the simc profile set up i believe

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T31_Raid.html

that is the BiS profiles for all specs

but don't get too caught up on comparing them, as not all sims are equal etc

best to stick to comparing sims within your own spec

hence why mr whispyr has this for his spreadsheet

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[low sparrow]

does anyone know if hekili is ok to use for learning assassination

[iron valve]

so what are the most efficient points to swap out for raid fights that are mostly single target but have some aoe? depends on the fight I guess?

[solid void]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[low sparrow]

my brain is tiny and cant remember so many buttons

[oak tangle]

internal bleeding for caustic spatter

the one and only change

[iron valve]

makes sense, ty

[slate crown]

From what i've seen the only talent pivots in the raid are Pure ST = IB, Very minor cleave = IB-> Spatter, Council: IB-> Spatter, maybe Dashing -> IC

[stiff kernel]

Is it ever worth getting spatter up on multiple bosses like say council you get cleave on 2 bosses is it worth getting bleeds and spatter up on both or just let spatter cleave off the one

[iron valve]

spatter is one target only

[oak tangle]

not how spatter works

[hexed willow]

splatter makes 45% of nature damage on that target cleave

*poison

[oak tangle]

limited to 1 target

[slate crown]

So Gnarl, Igira, larodar, tindral, fyrak = single target + Spatter. Volc, Nymue, Smold = Single Target with IB, Council = ST with Spatter + IC

is waht i've been doing

[stiff kernel]

Oh I thought like my poison ticks were cleaving off

Thought I could spatter two targets and have the poison ticks hit each other

[slate crown]

No

[hexed willow]

what are you dropping to pick up IC for council?

[oak tangle]

that would be recursive af

[slate crown]

You just spatter the one target, then you basically have "Nature damage blade flurry" if you want to think of it that way, off of that target only

can only have one spatter at a time

[stiff kernel]

Yeah I figured they’d have a internal cd or something

[slate crown]

Dashing

[stiff kernel]

Ok glad I asked

[hexed willow]

ooo forgot shrouded is also connected to poison bomb

cool

[slate crown]

Yeah and the energy regen loss from dashing (which is really very minor btw) is more than counteracted by IC bleed tick energy

[hexed willow]

nice that's cool. I was wondering how to benefit more on that fight than caustic

and didn't want to drop arterial

[hardy forge]

If I wanted to sim two on use trinkets, both with 2 min cd but I use trinket 1 with first kingsbane, trinket 2 with 2nd kingsbane, trinket 1 with 3rd kingsbane etc, how do I go about that?
EDIT: Nevermind, it actually already uses on use trinkets with kingsbane, not on cooldown

[neat plank]

trinket 3 :p

[oak tangle]

I have no idea but #tc-research #tc-updates would be the places to look

as it likely requires some specific rewriting of the simc profile

[subtle karma]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[flint tusk]

rekt

[solid void]

Is it possible to dynamically size bars in weakauras based on their duration? I'd like every second to always represent the same distance on the bar... agnostic of how many combo points I finished with. That way I have an even more effective prioritization system on what I need to refresh next... not sure if that whole story made sense at all

[oak tangle]

haha

[woven oxide]

hey pips is simming kinda low for me is there something i need to change in the options of the sim or is it just that low

[flint tusk]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

Yes, you can extend width of a bar in Conditions based on the Total Duration value

[snow plinth]

What do you guys typically run for tyrannical? raid build but with Spatter?

[stiff kernel]

Use a progress bar and use the conditions tab to change the size

[oak tangle]

no, i am running the arterial precision with blindside

[frigid perch]

Can someoen check my logs from last night? I'm def doing something wrong

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/sargeras/rollthebuns#difficulty=4

[slate crown]

That said, this suggestion only works if you want to do various pivot conditions with hard-coded durations / sizes. If you want to truely dynamically set with width, programmatically, to various continuous widths, that would need custom code in the Conditions tab, which is totally possible but can be a pain

[snow plinth]

I mean..unless I copied the wrong raid build so am I. build i took from wowhead i think has AP/DTB and Kingsbane but normally runs Internal Bleeding but for keys I figured switch that for spatter for some free aoe and be fine and still be "boss dam focusesd"

[oak tangle]

looking at volcross, your opener is very wrong, you should look at the wowhead guide as our rotation has changed

[solid void]

i think i can hard code it... i'll just select "equals" and pick the various possible outcomes based on the different numbers of combo points

and equate that to a fixed bar width

[stoic sequoia]

So what to craft this week? I made boots last week and was thinking of upgrading my 447 toxic belt with the free wyrm crest. Thoughts?

[solid void]

it's a bit of manual work - but i can multi task during some work meetings

would that work?

[slate crown]

Well, if you want it based on the duration of a buff, then you should look at "Total Duration" on the buff, not Combo Points, because combo Points will reset to 0 after casting before the aura is up

But, otherwise, yes, that would work

[mighty nexus]

Looks like your SD is 2 sec before your KB. You’d usually cast them together

[neon pollen]

Would you guys prefer 463 bandolier or 460 mydas for an M+ build? Mydas sims higher but that just seems odd to me considering the aoe potential of the bandolier

[dry root]

When use branch?

[indigo epoch]

Macro to DM

[dry root]

At deathmark

[solid void]

Yes, I think I didn't explain it well. i meant i look at "total duration" but i check what the possible "total duration" outcomes are based on how long a finisher at each # of combo points takes

8/12/16/20/24/28 for rupture for example

[ornate pier]

any vault gigaCHAD that will help me to decide?

[oak tangle]

also, make sure to hold both shiv charges for a kingsbane window, you shouldn't be sending them outside of that. we no longer take echoing reprimand, just in general the guide will be helpful

[slate crown]

Yes, however keep in mind the total duration will change around because of pandemic extensions, so you'll want to use >= <= instead of strictly Equals

[spice spire]

I know if no one got me https://www.raidbots.com got me

[drowsy basin]

if I dont mythic raid should i craft a dagger over the wrists

[spice spire]

No get your embellishments

Nick of time is our best dagger anyway

[steel spire]

based bot

🙏🏾

[drowsy basin]

ok. been unlucky with the wep drops

[slim hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[thorn fjord]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[solid void]

cheers

[prime sandal]

someone know is the old 2-Set enough or do i need the old 4-Set ??

[oak tangle]

2+2

[rancid trout]

Hello, still kinda new on assassination for m+ only, related to pulls that die quick, how do you do this pulls, because most of the time mark and KB is wasted

[mighty nexus]

Old 4p, if you don’t have 2p of new set. If you have 2p of new, go 2p2p

[prime sandal]

thx

[oak tangle]

i recommend the arterial precision builds, as they lean into your bleeds more and sudden demise

[mighty nexus]

Pulls feel bad for any key under 15ish tbh, but you’d ideally just get your bleeds up, maintain CT, get caustic up on your prio and the pulls usually dead by then

[quartz kraken]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[cedar star]

Those of you who have 4p, how much damage are you putting into a burst window without PI. 2-3million? More?

[rotund wagon]

18 runs in no glimpse of dagger or trinkets yet. Who do I need to pray to in order to change my luck.

[cedar star]

I’m trying to figure out if I’m sucking

[arctic thunder]

Looking into trinkets and simming before raid - Bloodmallet has Ashes quite high, but in sims the signet is better by 3%.
Is signet simbait, or ashes just underperforming? Ive looked at the pin, but it doesn't really mention ashes vs signet together with branch

[oak tangle]

i don't even have 4pc, and i can get just my kingbane to do 2.5m on a target dummy

[cedar star]

Got it

[mighty nexus]

I haven’t ran anything with it yet, but new 4p was a 3k boost on my sim compared to 2p2p, if that helps at all.

[royal lantern]

41runs 🙂

🙂

[strange python]

i'll get 4p at least tuesday, so my goal between now and then is a branch

[ruby coyote]

With the old 4 set did you also finish on 4+ cmb points?

[mighty nexus]

On a dummy, envenom is more overall than kingsbane w new 4p also

[strange python]

that aoe gotta be juicy then

[oak tangle]

i believe so, but the old 4pc was with a different iteration of the spec

[modest gale]

when should i use cds on smolderon?

[deft vault]

https://gyazo.com/85cc910dc5eb17662eca13188a6b2624 finally done with m+

[solid void]

can't seem to find <= >=... can only select one of them. I have to create multiple conditions?

[slate crown]

Yes you have to do the "Any of" selection to do a clustering of conditions

[rotund wagon]

I too no longer have upgrades from 5s

[chilly viper]

after we're done with the campaign in emerald dream, the whole camp is missing?

the renown guy? did they just changed place

[oak tangle]

are they just aspects doing aspecty things

you know, im not even mad that vyranoth gets to be an aspect after just joining the team, meanwhile i've been saving this damn planet for years and i get nothing

[jade blade]

is recupe bugged or am i missing something

[mighty nexus]

There’s 2 instances of emerald dream now. There’s the normal one in the portal, then there’s another one that the campaign takes you too without the portal.

[deft vault]

thats from 20s

[chilly viper]

oh

ty

[slim hamlet]

idek who that is

[rotund wagon]

Congrats! I was just clowning because there was no context to it. Coulda been 2s

[arctic thunder]

Looking into trinkets and simming before raid - Bloodmallet has Ashes quite high, but in sims the signet is better by 3%.
Is signet simbait, or ashes just underperforming? Ive looked at the pin, but it doesn't really mention ashes vs signet together with branch

[modest gale]

thx

[oak tangle]

the ice primalist that looks like the winter queen who became ally overnight

[slim hamlet]

you probably already have a good on use?

Bloodmallet acts like u have no trinkets

[arctic thunder]

Smart - why dont i think

[slim hamlet]

oh yea she cool

how does an incarnate become an aspect tho

[arctic thunder]

Yeah i got branch 483

[slim hamlet]

sounds op

[waxen oyster]

Am I overthinking sanguine blades? Would you let envenom buff fall off to stay above the 50% energy threshold outside cds?

[slim hamlet]

Branch is op

[jade blade]

chaining the envenom buff is important for 4 set

[modest gale]

vanish save with dm r?

[slim hamlet]

always

[oak tangle]

it's in the fyrakk cinematic

[rancid trout]

Have a example build? we dont get carnage with it? thanks again

[slim hamlet]

i skipped that dogshit cinematic

[cerulean nest]

just got 4set at the end of last night but I was finding times where refreshing rupture/garrote and clipping envenom were all happening too close to one another where at least one would definitely drop for a second

[waxen oyster]

i mean maintaining envenom buff has always mattered

[cerulean nest]

is there a priority in that case?

[jade blade]

yup

[waxen oyster]

just was curious with sanguine blades being a thing how much staying above 50 matters

[hardy spruce]

Oxi your tip was insane lmao ❤️ pumping hard thanks to you ❤️

[slim hamlet]

U just need to do things early

[oak tangle]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps

M+ arterial shock

[slim hamlet]

Don't wait until last second

[slate crown]

Maintain your buffs, you have a window to refresh garrote and rupture because of pandemic

[slim hamlet]

Dont use garrote and rupture on the same "rotation"

[slate crown]

Don't worry about clipping your nightstalker rupture

[slim hamlet]

and use envenom at 5+ before u are gonna have to refresh rup

[slate crown]

If envenom drops, that's ok

just restart your chain

[cerulean nest]

that's helpful actually

[slate crown]

Also if you want my envenom bar I add an orange tick at 4 seconds which is a guidepost to say "Rupture any time around/ before here and you will have enough GCDs to get an envenom out before dropping"

[oak tangle]

blah blah, instead of titans blessing aspects to look after azerbae, azerbae blessed them or something

[celest chasm]

Hi Guys, is there like a Weakaura that can be used wether or not your garrote dot is snapshotted correctly? And is it better to just prolongate the initial Garrote and Rupture /w pandemic timer? Or is it better to let them run out and then get another proper Garrote/Rupture up?

[cerulean nest]

also about how much energy is comfortable to pool before going into KB?

[slim hamlet]

Bro

who the fuck is azerbae

[cerulean nest]

I would like this yeah

[slim hamlet]

I normally follow lore

but idk who any of these are

[slate crown]

Yes, My profile (LE's) has an empowered garrote weakaura standalone, Also these full packs additionally have the empwoered tracking

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[oak tangle]

azeroth lol

[slate crown]

@cerulean nest ^ my profile has the bar standalone

[slim hamlet]

oh

[cerulean nest]

bet ty

[mighty nexus]

I watched every cinematic and I was like “wtf is an azerbae”

[oak tangle]

would you have understood azermommy

[mighty nexus]

absolutely

[slate crown]

Also, to answer your questions, you do want to let your Garrote time out before refreshing if it is empowered. Rupture as well, however preserving your empowered rupture is not super urgent, it's not a huge damage loss to clip it

[slim hamlet]

azerbae could be a name

[slate crown]

Garrote is the important one

[slim hamlet]

azermommy couldn't be

[oak tangle]

can't wait till end of the worldsoul saga, and azeroth is just a huge thot

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[tulip tendon]

Mythic timings?

[slim hamlet]

Timings are the same

[runic hinge]

Nothing wrong with that

[celest chasm]

Thanks for the Reply, will import your Group and profile ❤️

[tulip tendon]

Is there a reason to use them that way?

[oak tangle]

either that or some granny

[slim hamlet]

Yes

[tulip tendon]

I wasn’t sure if smolderon had a dmg buff or something

[slim hamlet]

U have something for every dmg amp and dont waste casts

[waxen oyster]

remember when subterfuge garrotes were 150%

or some obscene number

[slim hamlet]

If u trynna parse in heroic u might wanna so something different idk

I just do that, because u will have all the phases in mythic

[oak tangle]

are you sugesting #subtlety

[glass mist]

little question, better to take part ? (i have 0 atm)

[waxen oyster]

sub as a spec playstyle wise feels fine

[mighty nexus]

Shoulders looking spicey

[waxen oyster]

idk what people are complaining bout

[oak tangle]

not complaining, it's timings are perfect for 1:30 damage amps

[waxen oyster]

no i mean people have been complaining ig since patch

[lavish isle]

what i should pick xd if i dont have any tier item ? 😄

[slim hamlet]

Sub was super boring in ST for me before, and there is not much that has changed that for me with rework

[waxen oyster]

that you cant mash 1

all day

like s2

[slim hamlet]

The fun part of sub now is keeping track of cds

[tulip tendon]

Dmg amp as in intermission to get out of it faster?

[slim hamlet]

and planning

No

not to geto ut faster

It's just dmg amp for a set time

[waxen oyster]

yeah if you wanna mash like a cokefiend

outlaw still exists

[oak tangle]

i haven't actually looked at the spec in detail since the rework, i just know it now goes down the left side of the tree and....

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-movie-simba-windy-gif-15485193

[slim hamlet]

I don't get it

[oak tangle]

probs a better reference

[waxen oyster]

im prob way overthinking sanguine blades though

on do you NEED to stay above 150 at all times

[oak tangle]

thinking about it is getting you most of the way there

[runic hinge]

Ye, its just a passive you dont play around

[mortal elm]

if you are pooling and not spamming generally you will stay above 50% energy reaping the benefit of SB

[waxen oyster]

yeah it was more of if during non cds do i just let envenom drop to keep the benefit

[rapid laurel]

What's the better build of the two to run this week in m+? Or is it just preference

[oak tangle]

if you can chain an envenom do so, if you can't wait till you are 80% energy and restart

[waxen oyster]

so if another mutilate would drop me below 50 its not worth

[modest gale]

should i put in macro firstly kb or sd or it doesnt matter?

[slate crown]

You do not play around it. Especially once you get the 4pc, you flatly ignore the 50% threshold

[oak tangle]

get cp for an envenom cast no matter what, if you can cast the envenom before the previous one drops off do it

[slate crown]

SD first, then KB.

[mighty nexus]

Sd first

[celest chasm]

What abilities did you macro together? Currently only have SD+KB macro but perhaps o

perhaps i'm missing out on potential Qol macros 🙂

[oak tangle]

i have vanish and garrote, but that is not ideal in some circumstances

[storm hedge]

I have Deathmark + branch as well

[slate crown]

That's what most people do, and also Trinket / Deathmark / Potion together

[mighty nexus]

People macro on use trinkets to DM also

[celest chasm]

that makes sense

[slate crown]

I don't use macros for any of them though, just have keybinds for everything

But those are the two common ones

[sharp osprey]

do we maintain crimson tempest on ST in m+?

[oak tangle]

no

[slate crown]

I wouldn't necessarily recommend Trinket + Deathmark, because some trinkets you don't want to use with DM

Like Ashes you use 3 seconds into KB

Branch, you use with deathmark

[storm hedge]

I can't spam that fast atm still need to practice rotation. So I need macros. Sometimes I still mess up like delaying shiv one gcd

[mighty nexus]

Is it really only branch that you want to use with DM?

[idle totem]

we'd cast it as close to sd proc as possible tho no?

[slate crown]

So just for the sake of my muscle memory, I keep trinket separate

[oak tangle]

i don't believe so, as a singular envenom will do more damage than a ct

[slate crown]

No, you never wrack up bleeds for an SD proc. By definition, SD is inefficient because it requires your bleeds exceed more than the damage they're making up for

[oak tangle]

so that envenom will put you into the sudden demise range further than a CT would

[celest chasm]

I Think I've ran out of keybind possibilities atm lol, think i have 24 hotkeys or something like that

[waxen oyster]

so at that point generating to keep your envenom buff going is more worth

[mighty nexus]

If you use a logitech G600, you can bind like F13-F21 to your mouse buttons, and don’t forget about shift modifiers

[slate crown]

Correct, keep your envenom buff going

[oak tangle]

it's not specifically about the envenom buff, as much as the 4pc which means casting your envenom during a previous envenom buff gives a damage proc

[slate crown]

This is a bit excessive of a recommendation with specific hardware 😛

[celest chasm]

think i have G502 mouse

[waxen oyster]

yeah i was just thinking since now there's added incentive

[mighty nexus]

Well, I’m sure you can do it with other 12 button mouses, I just haven’t used the others so I’m not sure

[waxen oyster]

than prior it was always good to have envenom buff always going

[slate crown]

More practically, Mouse wheel binds + modifiers (which pretty much everyone has) are a pretty common way to get 4-6 new keybinds, I use them a lot

[midnight narwhal]

hello, where could i find a build for tyra week as assass, murlok is a bit chaotic .. and i don't understand how warcraftlogs works

[slate crown]

"12 button mouse" still falls in the "specific hardware" camp 🙂

imo

[midnight narwhal]

ty helping 🙂

[celest chasm]

Don't think i have the brain capacity to add mouse stuff into the mix 😛

[slate crown]

It takes some time to get used to

Maybe add in one at a time and see how it feels

[oak tangle]

just a point in that it's better to cast your envenom as late as possible to keep the proc but extend your energy out.

[mighty nexus]

You’re absolutely not wrong, I just wrongfully assume most people use them 😂

[nova flax]

No

[mighty nexus]

I know I couldn’t go back to NOT using one personally

[slate crown]

I understand that, similar to how I couldn't go back to playing without a mousewheel for my binds

[waxen oyster]

makes sense

[oak tangle]

that's the one buttons i'm unlikely to ever bind

[mighty nexus]

Mousewheel for binds ?

[slate crown]

Yes

[oak tangle]

middle mouse click is my interrupt though

[mighty nexus]

That sounds so uncomfortable, I’m gonna try it

[slate crown]

It kinesthetically matches the motion I want to engage with

For example

Ctrl+Mousewheel up = Sprint

Because i'm telling myself to mvoe forward

And it feels very natural

[mighty nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blow-galaxy-explode-boom-fireworks-gif-5139389

That actually is genius

[slate crown]

Shift + MWUp = poisoned knife because I'm Throwing it forward

[oak tangle]

that makes sense, until i fat finger a sprint mid opener cause i hit my wheel on accident

[slate crown]

Again

takes some getting used to

Like for DK grips, I use that on mousewheel down

because I'm yanking them towards me

[mighty nexus]

yoink

Makes sense tbh

[jaunty dew]

Quick question - do we go from 4p to 4p or is 2p 2p viable?

[oak tangle]

please tell me your evoker breath is mwup

[mighty nexus]

You just opened a whole new world up to me

[green apex]

I spin in my chair to cast fok

[mortal elm]

4CP applies even during KB windows right - even if we are high energy no need to go for 6 and finish? If i land on 4CP just send even in cds?

[green apex]

It takes some getting used to and I bought some bulk vomit bags off of Amazon for m+

[slate crown]

I don't have an evoker but I wouldn't use it there because breath you're supposed to hold and you can't do that with mwup

[slate crown]

Yes, 4+ CP always

[oak tangle]

kind of, you would want 5+ when you are coming up on a rupture refresh

[slate crown]

The sims do not do this^

You are free to

but you don't need it to refresh

[jaunty dew]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

Also, again, if your chain drops, that's ok

[oak tangle]

sims are perfect robit tho, i have human lag, so my envenom buff will drop on 4

[slate crown]

2p2p is more than viable, if you can do 2p2p, do it, it's quite strong

[jaunty dew]

Sweet

[slate crown]

(But if you want the True ™️ answer, use sims)

[slate crown]

Oh yeah and my most fun one, Charge on warrior is mwup

however before you get any ideas be careful with Shadowstep

[peak compass]

Hey guys, just swapped to assassination yesterday. If you have old 4-set do you have to delay anymore after deathmark to get more of kingsbane in the 4-set effect or still just 1 GCD (Shiv) apart?

[strange python]

augury trinket in m+ is pretty dope

[gusty mirage]

you're pretty dope

how about them apples

[slate crown]

It's harder to accidentally charge than it is to accidentally shadowstep, I moved shadowstep off my mousewheel bind for this reason, especially when trying to target allies

But it did used to be there

that was fun on mythic rashok, Trying to shadowstep mouseover an ally with mousewheel

[mighty nexus]

Absolutely binding shadow step to mousewheel up now

[slate crown]

when I was targetted with slam

Then accidentally stepped onto the boss

[oak tangle]

lucky for mwheel nodules hey, you get that one logitech mouse where you can unlock the free roling and you in some dangerous territory

[slate crown]

I (was) laughed (at)

[strange python]

[haughty lily]

with the 4 tier set and using kingsbane, are we supposed to chain envenom in there too or maximize envenom cast?

[slate crown]

You can do this if you'd like, it does provide some gains, I don't know exactly how much. However it is definitely a smaller optimization to do only with the old set. You do not preserve the old set for this, if you can swap to 2pc2pc it is still better

[oak tangle]

i have an amazing video of me yeeting off the boat in H BoD and living

https://www.twitch.tv/definitelynotmemes/clip/BenevolentIncredulousCockroachHotPokket?featured=false&filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

[slate crown]

So, personally, I just don't so I properly train muscle memory for when I swap out

[cerulean nest]

M gnarlroot last night I accidentally precast dance before pull lol

[peak compass]

thanks for the reply

[slate crown]

During kingsbane you full burn, you do not pool. You want as many GCDs as possible used, so yes, you maximize envenom cast. Only begin chain/pooling after KB is faded

[cerulean nest]

also I can find a vod of this but does anyone else randomly experience KB and dance just like, going away suddenly in the middle? its happened to me a few times and I can't figure out what's happening

[slate crown]

Did the target immune/die?

Or get dispelled?

that's the only thing I can think of

[cerulean nest]

its happened on bosses like during opener

I don't think they went immune

I'll try and find a vid later

[slate crown]

how do you tell?

Like is it because of a (mine) weakaura or something else? (I.e. should I be investigating this as a WA bug?)

[cerulean nest]

like I see my dance and KB ticking and then suddenly theyre full grey and on CD

like without finishing

I'm using luxthos currently

[slate crown]

If you can find a vod of it, try to look at the default unit frames to confirm instead, or your player buffs in the corner from the base ui

and not the weakaura

see if they are conflicting

If they are, then trust the base UI, that's a luxthos problem then

[cerulean nest]

yeah I'll look it up

[slate crown]

If your SD is truely dropped from your base Ui auras.... then I don't know, that's odd

[cosmic rivet]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[bleak ivy]

what talents u running this week

[celest chasm]

what is this in the Wa?

[slate crown]

That is damage done during Kingsbane

[mighty nexus]

Looks like it’s a tracker to show how much you do in kb windows

[slate crown]

it tracks each kingsbane window

This is one I've had some of the most questions on but I wasn't sure on the best way to display it and make it super obvious

[celest chasm]

ah okay, what is the 1 and 2 behind the buff?

[slate crown]

That is number of unique targets hit in that window

So it gives you context in aoe, obviously an aoe window will do more damage

[celest chasm]

ah like with caustic splatter etc

[slate crown]

Yup

The damage number is not Damage done by kingsbane, to be clear

[shut lotus]

Is there a link to the wa?

[slate crown]

It's all damage done during kingsbane

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

My profile (LE) above has all my standalones, Damage Windows is the one that is being discussed

It's in the list

It's honeslty one of the more neglected auras, the page doesn't have screenshots and stuff :/

[pine dew]

Should i envenom Chain if dont have the new set? or just renew when it is about too fall off

[celest chasm]

Can i enable the icons in the WA that is in the group? (KB WA)

[wanton nest]

so dont worry about pooling energy at all?

[slate crown]

You don't have to chain if you don't have the new set, it's a pattern that's good to train yourself on though so it's good to do it, but not necessary

You should still not clip your envenoms, just renew when it's about to fall off or has fully fallen off

[pine dew]

thx

[slate crown]

Which KB WA? There are a few

[celest chasm]

just a sec 🙂

think it is this one, blue bar with the red green lines when its best to refresh/use the ability

[somber fractal]

can you macro kingsbane into shadowdance or will that make it not get the nightstalker bonus?

[slate crown]

go into the weakaura and click on the Custom Options tab, there's an option to enable the icons:

Under Extra Tick Visual

[slate crown]

You can macro them. Just have SD first in the macro and it will properly gain nightstalker

[slate crown]

The weakaura is under the Heads Up Bars group

[strange python]

so what are you guys that have branch feeling about it -- is it a pain in the ass to use, or relatively simple?
I been farming it (unsuccessfully) and i'm starting to just think maybe i should give up.

[slate crown]

It's not really that hard to use

[strange python]

ugh ok

[slate crown]

I mean it is initially

it's weird but you acclimate to it