assassination

[balmy condor]

big vault

[weak crescent]

what are u taking

[final laurel]

why does it tel me to use garrote twice

[weak crescent]

wysp

[balmy condor]

depends what drops from raid today

[weak crescent]

gl then!

[balmy condor]

idk, weird overlap thing

[glacial grotto]

not doing 8 20s

[balmy condor]

I have a fix for it

[final laurel]

ah ok

[balmy condor]

it doesn't matter too much

very whatever

[tulip tide]

is raidbots updated with the new neck? 🙏

[balmy condor]

yes

thats why I made the pin

[blissful forge]

yo

can you upgrade the 480 items?

[final laurel]

i think im starting to get the hang of pooling in raid

[blissful forge]

to 489

[slate crown]

Yes if it's 480 in vault it is myth track and can go all the way

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[blissful forge]

ok perfect

so i can just blat 18s on alts

[slate crown]

Oh I guess unless it comes from the raid row

sorry misinfo

If it's in the dungeon row, yes, 100% if it's 480 it can go all the way up

[blissful forge]

ok perfect

yeah thats what i wanted to know

if they keept the .5 change

[slate crown]

I think the loot in the raid row if it's from the last couple bosses is still hero track but at 480? not sure how vault specifically picks ilvl for raid

[blissful forge]

yeah fuck raid loot, not doing any of this shit on my alts

cba to clear nhc/hc 6 times

[hexed willow]

Can I have those pants please

[true rapids]

bis ST is branch and embersoul ya? Do you pop ember first or branch for the KB opener?

[hexed willow]

No branch and signet

You don’t want double on use

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hexed willow]

Hourglass and pips are decent signet replacements that have m+ relevancy too

[bronze fox]

Is it a good idea to macro SD with KB? Or do we use them de-sync'd at any point?

[dull wave]

Given current balance, is there an agreed upon "best" M+ spec? Given 4 set and ideal gearing etc... or does it depend per dungeon and pack sizes

[hexed willow]

Yes, no reason not to keep them synced. Macro is efficient

[dull wave]

i'd love to try assass from outlaw, but idk whether its worth commiting to?

[buoyant venture]

guys, if i take ashes of the embersoul trinket, i still play everbloom trinket too?

[true rapids]

I think the Poison bomb set pulls ahead cus of the 2p

[buoyant venture]

cause smolde just dropped both trinket

i dont know which one to take

[hexed willow]

Assassination in full outlaw bis (swapping weapons and branch) is 2.2% behind bis assassination

[uncut dragon]

Hey, I got the witherbark trinket! When in the grand scheme of opener/cooldowns do I use it?

[hexed willow]

You can still try out assassination with outlaw gear and be fine

[north pond]

gloves are 1/6 and chest is 3/8 whats the better piece ? i have 0 tier atm

[hexed willow]

Macro it to DM and use 1:1: 4-9

[dull wave]

main diff seems to be crit/vers vs. crit/mastery for the most part (and trinks/weps ofc)

[uncut dragon]

man that's easier than I thought it would be

[hexed willow]

Hero track for longevity

[hexed willow]

Yeah we’re flexible in getting the third. I go left, then right and let the last just come to me

[uncut dragon]

Should I try to get one ball at a time and extend it or in raid is it pretty much let them smack you?

ya what I thought.

[hexed willow]

Grab first 2 fast and then chill

Just make sure it’s up for the final KB tick

[uncut dragon]

Now I'm sad I only did a +15 tho

[haughty flicker]

just had a dht where xavius was casting paranoia on me on repeat

was the most tilting key i've ever been in

[hexed willow]

It’s ok! If you look at bloodmallet you’ll see that even a 447 is miles ahead of any other trinket for us

Like it’s > 489 signet

[keen spruce]

yall run spatter on fyrak?

[velvet ridge]

so which build you guys rocking for tyran week?

[haughty flicker]

the same one as last week

[gentle belfry]

What do we drop for spatter on cleave fights?

[haughty flicker]

its a choice node

[hexed willow]

Internal bleeding

[haughty flicker]

you just swap it

[hexed willow]

Choice node

[gentle belfry]

ahh ok ty

[indigo mulch]

Yes sir!

[tulip tendon]

For branch do you use it prepull?

[storm ridge]

!wa

[hexed willow]

@haughty flicker we can call that a tie

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[hexed willow]

Why would you pre pull with it

Just use it with DM

We have set up before we can burst

[timber meadow]

as long as mobs are clumped, do you all have any issues with IC smart targeting? i.e if you have 5 clumped mobs and garrote your prio target twice, does it not just apply to all of them?

[hexed willow]

It should yes

[desert vault]

i saw there wa that had a KB timer on it? didn't see it on the wa site, there a link to it?

[indigo rune]

anyway to unbind attack on the right buttom click?

[hexed willow]

Damnit it was Notter’s

Though LE also is a good KB timeline

[gentle belfry]

https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9/7

[subtle tundra]

last key before reset, just in time for mythic prog or something

[haughty flicker]

very nice

[subtle tundra]

was actually from +3ing a 20

arcane mage made me sweat

[wanton vine]

sooner or later 🙂

[spiral pasture]

keys feeling much harder on tyran?

[eternal heath]

Man, WM feels rough lol

Died right at the start of 4th boss too

[gusty mirage]

wait until you check out ataldazar

GREAT CHANGES BALANCE TEAM

10/10

[hexed willow]

Please tell me it’s not awful

[haughty flicker]

making wracking pain uninterruptible just before tyrannical week

[celest helm]

how would one go about farming this fire neck thing if im bored

[haughty flicker]

thank you blizzard

[gusty mirage]

oh it's 110% awful

[gusty mirage]

you fly to blasted lands and kill kazzak every day

and pray it drops

[celest helm]

okay bet thank you

[hexed willow]

Once a day kill kazzak and prayge

[hexed willow]

Just yazma though right?

[gusty mirage]

• you have to pull more trash

I HOPE YOU LIKE CONSTRUCTS OR GUARDS

[hexed willow]

Or just the middle dinos

[slate crown]

Nymue question

[gusty mirage]

who hurt you

[slate crown]

How do we know who is soaking, looks like Surging Growth is the raid wide damage, but isn't it also the soak damage?

[hexed willow]

The middle dinos we butt pulled in a 19 yesterday

[gusty mirage]

fair

[slate crown]

like if I look at damage taken from Surging Growth does that indicate who is/isn't soaking?

[haughty flicker]

thats the fun part

you dont

afaik

[slate crown]

[soft shale]

you mean the 5 minute dinos

[gusty mirage]

uh lemme peep our logs from sunday

[hexed willow]

Kicks for days

But yeah that pack isn’t fun

Id rather do a confessor augur pack

[spice surge]

Constructs are a mob with more health than the ones next to it

Deathmark target aquired

[soft shale]

what affixes are next week?

[gusty mirage]

bursting and the root one

perfect for tyran week + sudden demise

also demo locks tier set is pulling shit through walls

so enjoy waycrest with the warlocks farming branch

[hexed willow]

Rogues have no way to remove roots right?

Besides cloak

[steep jay]

u can walk out of 'em without losing uptime

shadowstep works

vanish works

[hexed willow]

Cool easy living. Used to it as demo/destro, that was rough

[upper spear]

which Assa build are you all running in keys this week? im still on Arterial

[feral mason]

we goobing

[upper spear]

maybe Hybrid beter

[hexed willow]

They’re both good, pick which speaks to you

[gentle belfry]

Can I still use the training grounds for resetting CDs on dummies? if so, how do I que for that again?

[keen stirrup]

How can I use mutilate during dance

[cursive frost]

Toxic patch on a belt or bracers for this craft?

[keen stirrup]

/cast Mutliate doesn't work

[hexed willow]

Ambush applies caustic too

[keen stirrup]

I know

[hexed willow]

Or is there a reason tou want to mutilate over ambush

[keen stirrup]

but mutliate is higher chance to apply poison

[shrewd helm]

anyone feel going hooman is worth over dorf?

[whole mantle]

sudden demise are dealing so much damage this week on keys hahahaa

[willow vine]

u can just put mut on your bar

[whole mantle]

a boss dies with 1,5m

[keen stirrup]

ambush is 1 hand attack and mut is 2 hand

[stiff kernel]

Bait alert 🚨

[willow vine]

oh wait i forgot that it'll auto change to ambush now lol disregard

[neat horizon]

Basically outlaw’s simming 10k more than sin on ST. Do i still go sin if i wanted to maximize my dmg or should i opt for outlaw?

[shrewd helm]

the sim isnt acounting for execute

[willow vine]

you take the 10k dps loss and win the no tendonitis / rsi in your wrist

[keen stirrup]

ambush hits one time

mut hits 2 times/cast

[neat horizon]

How does sudden demise work on bosses?

[keen stirrup]

more poison dmg during KB

[haughty flicker]

the same way it works on everything else

[neat horizon]

Well it deletes everything else

[median root]

i think patchwerk sims do sim an execute phase

[haughty flicker]

it deletes bosses too

[stiff kernel]

I know it doesn’t answer your question but I would say Theres a good chance you’ve applied poisons by the time you’re at the shadow dance step, ambush is overall higher dps gained than mutilate I can’t imagine you’d be gaining anything. But I do not know of a way to.

[haughty flicker]

have you seen sudden demise on ozumat

[hexed willow]

@balmy condor ambush or mutilate during SD? Wowhead guide states mutilate (or ambush with blindside) in the opener but then states ambush as a generator during vanish/SD

Just looking for consistency

[gentle badger]

In general is Pip's friendship badge > catalsmic signet brand?

[neat horizon]

Lol i havent. So sin fine to run all bosses?

[gentle badger]

for 2nd trinket after witherbark

[haughty flicker]

sin good

[neat horizon]

Even without PI/aug?

[haughty flicker]

signet feels shit in keys ngl

even without pi/aug

sin good

[gentle badger]

ill most likely be sin in raid outlaw in keys

[neat horizon]

Great thanks

[vapid sierra]

is blazeflurry medallion the neckv everyonei s talking about

[jaunty phoenix]

how much worse are slimy boots vs toxic?

[bitter trout]

With the branch do we try kite out the balls and pick them up when the buff is about to run out for the up time or do we just stack em up?

[vapid sierra]

delay 3rd one

[hexed willow]

Yes

[hexed willow]

1:1:4-9

[hexed willow]

Sim it but we like haste

[vapid sierra]

qwheres the wb

[hexed willow]

Blasted lands

Kazzak

[bitter trout]

is this the seconds?

[hexed willow]

Yes

[bitter trout]

Cool thanks

[hexed willow]

Grab the first 2 immediately and then wait for the 3rd to come to you

[hexed willow]

Which is anywhere from 4-9s (which is finer

[keen stirrup]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TjnJ8MB2K9PGNwrd#fight=13&type=casts&source=344&view=timeline

[bitter trout]

Makes sense thanks mate

[keen stirrup]

Yeah Mut during dance increase your KB dmg

minor tho

[hexed willow]

So you could probably do a stance macro. I believe stance 0 is in stealth, 1 is stealth and 2 is vanish/SD

[atomic night]

Is it possible for details to "bug" or the dummy "loose" aggro when we press vanish to refresh garrote in the opener and subsequent deathmark bursts?

[coarse bear]

toxic patch on bracers is the only slot that makes a lot of sense long term because of the lower ilvl right?

[whole mantle]

wtf?

[hexed willow]

/cast [stance:0/2] Mutilate; stance [1] Ambush
Just not sure how that interacts with blindside

[strange python]

seems balanced

mine doing 1.5% overall

[fierce sigil]

its a dh... he cant wear dagger

[strange python]

they have a warglave with timestrike

[whole mantle]

he has a glaive

with timestrike

[fierce sigil]

wtf :D:DD:

[winged quail]

was this in Throne of the Tides?

[fierce sigil]

ok balanced

[whole mantle]

idk, my friend just send me this

i was, wtf?

[winged quail]

Timestrikes scales weird on the last TotT boss

if it's not that idk how the fuck that happened

[patent mesa]

If you play assassin in raid and outlaw in M+, what piece would you craft toxic patch on and with what secondary stats?

[hexed willow]

@keen stirrup actually mutilate is replaced with ambush for blindside so it shouldn’t be an issue. Independent of stances

[gentle sand]

if you are more into raid in wrist, if you are more into M+ into waist so you can get the brez for later in wrist

[keen stirrup]

thx

[patent mesa]

Hmm i guess I don't really push keys beyond 20, but am trying to get CE for the first time this tier, so I guess I should craft wrist

[thorn fjord]

Just upgraded boots

We’re getting there boiz

My IL is still trash

[thorn fjord]

Depends… do you want PI?

[storm forum]

I keep getting rejected from Falls, can I get a Krill Issue gif

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[storm forum]

ty

[vapid sierra]

do we refresh rupture in dance if we're not in opener anymore in st?

[indigo rune]

do we get 1 wyrm crest from fyrakk, from lvl 20 dreamwardens and from there just crafted, right?

[thorn fjord]

If rupture is falling off

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-incredible-krill-crab-gif-4661271430329690317

[thorn fjord]

Thems some scary crabs

[bitter trout]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[vapid sierra]

but we dont do it for the nightsatlker rupture dam?

[thorn fjord]

I need a helmet so I can recraft my patch to wrists 😑

[thorn fjord]

You can but it’s really minimal

My muscle memory just defaults to Env unless rupture is falling off

Will generally refresh during dm windows tho

It ends up lining up depending on the fight

[vapid sierra]

i need to get on an use so ic an play sin properly in raid

[thorn fjord]

Just follow the flow chart and you’ll be Gucci

[vapid sierra]

flow chart?

[thorn fjord]

Spec pretty much follows a flow chart now

[vapid sierra]

as in rotation? i know the rotation pretty decently

its just im trialing tonight with a guild and gotta do good lol, i m+ spammed last week and didnt get shit for gear, im 451/452 depending on gear combos

my outlaws quicksimming 15k higher than my sin

[thorn fjord]

OL has a ton of variance tho

If you get cucked on procs it’ll suck

[final laurel]

im able to use echoing reprimand on opener for st

but im still confused on how it works/how to use it after opener

[vapid sierra]

but my sin dam is gonna be shit without 4pc (im at 3pc) and no on use, and i have a 483 outlaw mh and a 447 sin mainhand

[final laurel]

do i just click when its off cd and play normally?

[thorn fjord]

On cd if you’re running ER

[vapid sierra]

people still play er?

[thorn fjord]

Non dance build does

[proven jasper]

ya theres a build with er but honestly

[cerulean walrus]

Dance build feels so good

[proven jasper]

that seems more confusing than the dance build lol

[vapid sierra]

also when it omes to adds do people hold dance or vanish for them in raid? that way you can rupture and get caustic out?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah dance build is ezpz

[vapid sierra]

whats the logic behind caustic in raid>?

[proven jasper]

Yeah man

[thorn fjord]

You’re gonna be getting that up on your prio target anyway

[vapid sierra]

but it doesnt cleave without rupture no?

[wide cypress]

for aoe spec, do we use instant or deadly poison?

[proven jasper]

Well you need rupture to apply caustic

[vapid sierra]

it cleaves only to targets onyl with ru[pture no?

[thorn fjord]

It does not but your prio target should have rupture anyway

[gentle belfry]

60sec after our opener, we just want to envenom, then go into this right? (minus dance)

[vapid sierra]

ahh i thought it only cleaved to targets with rupture

[proven jasper]

It cleaves to anything

[thorn fjord]

Cleaves off the target with rupture to adds around it

[final laurel]

ER sims higher for me than dance

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proven jasper]

huh

That seems very sus

ya

[vapid sierra]

also hjow come sin plays buzzing rune

[final laurel]

thats what it says

[vapid sierra]

over mastry or crit runes

[proven jasper]

buzzing is crit

[vapid sierra]

buzzing is vers no?

[slate crown]

Not minus dance, you do eactly that 60sec in

[vapid sierra]

am i tripping

[thorn fjord]

Bus run is the mastery one

[vapid sierra]

im tripping

[thorn fjord]

Bis*

[proven jasper]

Buzzing is crit.

Pretty sure we run buzzing if youve got a branch

maybe mastery otherwise tho

[vapid sierra]

i needa get ab ranch so i can pump

[gentle belfry]

Oh mb I thought dance was 2min for a sec - ty!

[thorn fjord]

Mastery should come out with higher IL

[proven jasper]

same man

we get so much mastery from branch though

[vapid sierra]

its hard to maintain high dam without 4pc too

cata chargen next week right?

[proven jasper]

think so

[icy acorn]

would you guys take arterial or hybrid for darkheart 20? - forti

[thorn fjord]

2nd catalyst next week yeah

[strange python]

How is the maximum crit we need? Before dr decreases its value too much. 30%? 40?

[slate crown]

Also you don't have to start the sequence with envenom. Very often it does start with envenom naturally, but if you envenomed a global before then you can enter as long as envenom buff is up.

[vapid sierra]

hyb personally

[grand trail]

Hello spatter dmg spread from target or me?

[proven jasper]

Target

[gentle belfry]

Doesn't have to be fresh? Gotcha

[thorn fjord]

Target with rupture

[arctic tusk]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[craggy apex]

do we swop to aoe for larry? or stay st

[grand trail]

So my position do not matter?

[thorn fjord]

Think the only fight you run IC on is council

[slate crown]

Yeah, I mean you want the envenom buff on you so you will have done so recently, but you don't ahve to setup the whole thing with a fresh envenom, it can be from a previous enveom, like it can be Envenom -> Mutilate -> Shiv, it's just however things panned out with Cp generation

[thorn fjord]

Rest of the raid is ST build with or with out splatter

[twilit parcel]

If i see one more bis vault screenshot, I will shadowstep and kick you in the nuts / face..

[prisma cypress]

anyone have thoughts on this? currently have tier helm and legs

[slate crown]

Can I send terribad vault ss?

[thorn fjord]

Nuts and face at the same time?

[twilit parcel]

I have 2 feet. I can dropkick

[strange python]

How is the maximum crit we need? Before dr decreases its value too much. 30%? 40?

[thorn fjord]

That would be fun to watxh

[final laurel]

higher one is the er build

[prisma cypress]

do i take heroic tier or normal friendship badge

pls

[spice spire]

Oh you have very low gear

[kindred carbon]

which slots are we using for tier this season?

[spice spire]

That explains it

[twilit parcel]

All but legs I think

[thorn fjord]

Damn bro that’s very low?

[magic sparrow]

just bind branch to Deathmark?

[thorn fjord]

Lmao I’m baaad

[kindred carbon]

ty

[hollow vessel]

What stats are you crafting your wrists with?

[spice spire]

428? Yeah

[hollow vessel]

Wrists are the way to go this season too, right?

[spice spire]

No, you definitely want it on kb

[proven jasper]

Well also the bottom one isnt even the normal dance build

[final laurel]

i did the one on wowhead

[thorn fjord]

Is that dslice?

[proven jasper]

theres like 2-3 variations of the dance build i think

[strange python]

How is the maximum crit we need? Before dr decreases its value too much. 30%? 40%?

[twilit parcel]

Yes

[thorn fjord]

Missed that thought that was a PW sim

[slate crown]

Yes, but you still want to play around the orbs, activation the trinket with deathmark is fine

[thorn fjord]

First two orbs on cast then wait 7s for 3rd right?

[magic sparrow]

yeah

[tame fjord]

Is Ashes good for Assa?

[slate crown]

Yeah, but in reality it normally for me is like 1/0.3/5 or whatever

which is fine

as long as you have 3 stacks over the end of Kb

[tame fjord]

my guild says is root the BiS but im seeing liquid comp and both rogues have ashes

also the DH and Feral

[proven jasper]

bc they arent farming m+

ashes is second best on use

[prisma cypress]

root = branch?

[tame fjord]

ye sorry

[slim hamlet]

Because branch is from m+ and ashes is from raid

[arctic tusk]

shock build still fine on tyran?

[wild beacon]

i have 2x 437 trinkets (i know) and 0pc tier. 470 augury and 470 serpent idol in vault. also got 480 myth tier legs. i really want a trinket but i dunno if i'll ever see legs that high as i'm H raiding only really. any thoughts?

[regal crest]

Is the daggie the move rn or the tier chest

[slim hamlet]

U can basically guarentee certain loot from raid with splits but u would have to giga farm m+

[prisma cypress]

i still need to know if i should take heroic tier shoulders or normal pip's trinket

[proven jasper]

i mean tier is most likely easier to get so

[prisma cypress]

yeah

thats what i was leaning toward

trinket

[proven jasper]

i would take nick of time/a solid trinket over tier anyday

[slim hamlet]

idk u can get better trinket from m+

[proven jasper]

Pips is pretty good though

[prisma cypress]

i mean it's just the normal version

but

[frosty wagon]

are you guys playing hybrid or shock for this Tyr week?

[slim hamlet]

juicy

[slim hamlet]

I will try hybrid first for sure

[frosty wagon]

cool cool

[slim hamlet]

I think general gameplan for people is just arterial with blindside

[frosty wagon]

yeah zoldyck and sudden demise sound nice this week

[carmine valve]

Can someone explain me [Sanguine Blades]. Does it mean that each bleed ticks consume my energy but grants me more dmg. Meaning I dont want to be below 50% energy ever?

[slate crown]

The first sentence is correct. The second is not

[spice spire]

I am 99% sure whispyr made a video on this exact subject

[carmine valve]

Then how do I play this?

[solid vault]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[hexed willow]

Most of these questions are

[spice spire]

But I don’t have YouTube access rn

[slate crown]

Especially once you get the new 4pc, you basically ignore blades as a mechanic, you don't play it, you just take the talent

[mighty nexus]

He did, it’s the opener video

[slim hamlet]

there is also a specific pooling video

[slim pebble]

Actually tragic lol. I have no idea what to pick.

[mighty nexus]

I’m stupid, it’s that one, ty

[slim pebble]

Tier pants for immediate gain with 2 piece or something else

[craggy apex]

does assinatiuon tunnel boss on larry? or do they add swop

[mighty nexus]

https://youtu.be/UG0zGACDAuY?si=ofHX5A7Y4xxBgVTq

[strange python]

Im here for 5-10 mims and 90% of these questions are answered on wowhead or whipyrs yt channel

[slim hamlet]

just swap to caustic spatter and send boss

The adds need to be really important to full swap as sin

[spice spire]

Now imagine being eternally trapped here

[slim hamlet]

^

[slate crown]

Yes. This is correct. Very true

[slim hamlet]

When do I use puzzlebox tho?

[mighty nexus]

Stick around discord for 5m and you won’t need to read a guide bc it’s all here

[spice spire]

It’s either there’s a video for this, or there’d a weak aura for this

[spice spire]

I’m going to hit filter

[craggy apex]

ty

[slate crown]

(but please also read a guide)

[wild beacon]

i just Ctrl F for the last 50 times it's been answered

[slim hamlet]

That's some advanced tech

[spice spire]

I appreciate all of you 95% of the time, the other 5% of the time I want to strangle

[slim hamlet]

people don't even read pinms

[mighty nexus]

What’s a pin

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[spice spire]

[runic hinge]

[tropic charm]

Trying Sin rogue, and this might be answered somewhere in a guide but I couldn't find it, when your KB and SD are off CD but vanish is still on CD, do you SD>KB to get the nightstalker snapshot, or do you KB out of SD and SD the last 6 seconds to get the master assassin damage?

[slim hamlet]

That's the first thing in the guide

But yea u dont use vanish to snapshot

u always use dance

[tropic charm]

not the opener, this is when stuff is coming off CD

[mighty nexus]

You do the same thing just without vanish

[slim hamlet]

yes?

[nocturne hawk]

Yes I've simmed but there's an intangible, real question is take the 1.5% from crab trink just in the interim for H prog. Or grab the Myth tier pants for catalyst. Already got a nick and raid dag atleast

[slim hamlet]

This is opener

[strange python]

There is no case to snapshot kb with vanish if u always snapshot it with sd

[slim hamlet]

This is every cd window outside opener

Vanish is used end of DM KB for MA

[slim hamlet]

I would just wait until you've done raid this week

[runic hinge]

If you’re doing things as you should there wouldn’t ever be a situation where you have dm and not vanish

[nocturne hawk]

that's the play every week

[slim hamlet]

No reason to choose legs if u end up getting tier there already

[tropic charm]

I wasn't snapshotting it with vanish, I just didn't know if we preferred the damage buff from NS or if we preferred the crit hits from MA in SD

[slim hamlet]

and u cant cata this week

[runic hinge]

You’re snapshotting with SD every time and you’re getting MA from vanish every 2 minutes

[strange python]

You wont get MA from SD

[slim hamlet]

U do

[runic hinge]

You do. But you’re using SD to snapshot KB garrote and rupture

[tropic charm]

Okay, so the snapshot is worth more than the crit

[proven jasper]

^

[nocturne hawk]

oh you can cata this week

[winter gale]

Guys, which 4piece I want, or which piece of 5 is least desirable?

[tropic charm]

That's mainly what I was asking, I just suck with wording questions

[full summit]

yo when is it best to use dreamcarver on use?

What does it do?

[slim hamlet]

Oh yea if u didn't use last week

[mighty nexus]

Legs doodoo

[proven jasper]

Legs is probably the worst

[slim hamlet]

When then it's easy choice imo

[proven jasper]

Dagger doesnt have any dps effect so

[north pond]

you guys running single target build for mythic plus this week or still same aoe build?

[wild beacon]

i just use the leech one

[vapid sierra]

how do you guys maintain damage after dm in opener

[slim hamlet]

Mechanical buff users

[vapid sierra]

i feel like mines dropping quick

[full summit]

Really? wtf does the on use do then tf?

[vapid sierra]

no4pc yet so envonem chanin aint that worth

[slim hamlet]

U don't

[willow kite]

I ran hybrid last week, and will do so again

[proven jasper]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[full summit]

oh shit thanks

[slim hamlet]

This is our dmg

[tropic charm]

I had a friend tell me this and wanted to see if it was true, once every CD comes back off, do we use an empowered garrote from SD before DM or no?

[proven jasper]

Ya we a burst class

Damage outside of cds is like 1/4th

Compared to inside

[eternal heath]

tragic game

[slim hamlet]

Pretty good

Legs are our worst tier spot too

[full summit]

What are we using on leg spot then?

[eternal heath]

Not wrong lol but sad that that is what I get from Fall

[slim hamlet]

Preferably fyrakk legs, but just whatever with good stats

[proven jasper]

Anything with better stats

[full summit]

fuck normal ones dropped last night and i went raidspec loot not bis whatever it's fine kek

[simple ore]

I've gotten those legs 6 times, still no dagger after like 20+ dungeons

[nocturne hawk]

Imo dragonkin buff makes losing acro feel a little better

[proven jasper]

I mean getting 4pc asap is good either way

[slim hamlet]

Small optimization

[nocturne hawk]

but feelcraft

[eternal heath]

Yeah I have had the legs 2 or 3 times and the boots twice lol

No helm surprisingly

[mighty elm]

I got first one in dungeon #42, so keep your chin up

[eternal heath]

So KSM token will replace that

[proven jasper]

Beast>mechanical> nothing else in my opinion

[fervent jasper]

What pieces of gear do we make tier for assass?

[eternal heath]

Funny enough, my current legs have leech too

[slim hamlet]

Can't wait to farm everbloom on bursting tyran

[odd notch]

Slimy boots keep simming way higher than toxic thorns, is thorns still better craft?

[burnt venture]

What we crafting this week lads?

[spice spire]

Yes

[spice spire]

Thorn boots or patch

[burnt venture]

got 486 boots last week

patch on wrist then?

[slim hamlet]

patch for me prob

[burnt venture]

I have patch for s2

[slim hamlet]

Same

[burnt venture]

but will need 486 eventually I guess

[slim hamlet]

Either patch or a necklace

[burnt venture]

we go patch on wrist?

[spice spire]

!wa

Oh bot died

Cool

[ornate pier]

do we have somekind of plater profile for npc colors whenyou have all dots up on target for m+ ?

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-out-loud-lol-jerry-mouse-tom-and-jerry-gif-16446046

[slim hamlet]

yea whispyr got that

[strange python]

Does anyone know in which video whispyr explain why he is crafting haste on his gear?

[slim hamlet]

there is no such video

[bold temple]

I have tier chest/helm/pants in vault, omni token, heroic gloves I can catalyze but I need one tier drop from raid to use all of them lol

[slim hamlet]

Haste,crit,mastery are all the same

[velvet ridge]

ughh stop dropping me nicks pls

[slim hamlet]

Just craft what u need most right now,

[burnt venture]

bruh

tf

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/liam-neeson-i-will-find-you-taken-gif-5593626

[spice spire]

Tell these frauds what’s what

[proven jasper]

Gotta be photoshop

Aint no way

[merry marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bold temple]

Maybe they’re 441 nicks from last season 🧐

[spice spire]

Sound off king

[lyric spindle]

Does our recommended builds change at all for tyrannical?

[bold temple]

What about the third one

[slim hamlet]

prolly just slap a blindside on the arterial

[old halo]

i might try single target build with caustic and carnage....

[slim hamlet]

Trust me that's troll

[dark token]

not as many as i got

[slim hamlet]

Scent is almost good enough to take in ST

[old halo]

i barely use tempest anyweays

[slim hamlet]

There is no way u are ever not taking it in m+

U'll be using tempest more on tyran probably

Considering you can pull bigger

[dark token]

[slim hamlet]

how is that a huh

That's obvious

Only reason u don't use ct is because of small pulls

[dark token]

i feel we would use it the same amount?

its worth using on 2t or above

[slim hamlet]

no

4+

[strange python]

You are right, there is no video about secondaries but i swear he mentions it in one of them, maybe i read it somewhere

[proper tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/lolol-lmao-gif-22173456

[old halo]

i have 0 pieces still

[spice spire]

Tell these frauds

[slim hamlet]

You are a part of "these frauds" mr oxi fan

[solid mica]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[drifting light]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slim hamlet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven jasper]

He is crafting haste because the robot tells him to

😄

[old halo]

Thought he is the robot

[slim hamlet]

His voices told him to

[winter gale]

Which item is best to buy with Curve/2k

Head or chest?

[simple ore]

whichever you don't have heroic ilvl for?

[slim hamlet]

Whichever one is lowest ilvl

[simple ore]

sim it

[spice spire]

I am retired

I have left the rat race

[slim hamlet]

double fraud

[spice spire]

I have beaten the allegations

[slim hamlet]

Retired but watching from the stands

[spice spire]

Unluigi

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[spice spire]

Just keeping the zoo in check

[slim hamlet]

why does luigi looks so weird in all lower case

Luigi looks real

luigi is fake af

[spice spire]

You’re off the goop

[slim hamlet]

What's goop?

Isn't that a liquid raider

[spice spire]

Iykyk

[prisma cypress]

is my'das talisman actually good? any chance i take hero track my'das over champion pip's?

[slim hamlet]

For smolderon probably maybe

[spice spire]

If it sims better yeah

It’s okay

[slim hamlet]

and for the other specs

[prisma cypress]

what other specs

[slim hamlet]

U know

sub and outlaw

[prisma cypress]

never heard of her

[slim hamlet]

Fair

But depends on if u are gonna get branch/ashes or nah

[prisma cypress]

i can only hope so

[slim hamlet]

Or well it's probably a fine trinket to have 2 on uses

since it's direct dmg

Guys hot or cold chocy milk?

what sims higher

[spice spire]

Cold

[slim hamlet]

[vapid sierra]

whats a good way to check

to see if im missing enchants on shit

i forget wht all encahnts slots are

[timber meadow]

are there any suggestions on what to craft with spark this week?

[spice spire]

Boots or patch

[timber meadow]

patch?

just like any piece w/ a patch basically

[timber meadow]

or boots

[vapid sierra]

ty

[slim hamlet]

Also how the fuck are shadowed belt clasp still 20k

[spice spire]

Yeah get those embellishments out

[slim hamlet]

like I aint paying 20k for a few stamina

[vapid sierra]

sophic simming better

weird

[slim hamlet]

Normal

Wafting is just bis at bis gear

[vapid sierra]

fair

[eternal turtle]

does every ambush/mutilate macro lag out at the end of subterfuge/stealth?

[slim hamlet]

it doesn't lag out

It's because u are spell queuing an ambush, but then it says "wait u cant do that" at the very end

so if u dont spam hard enough it staggers a tiny bit

[eternal turtle]

yeah and it makes the mutilate get delayed

[slim hamlet]

It feels like that

I was a hater, but when rewatching it, it is so minor that unless u click very slowly it doesn't matter

[spice spire]

Sim it

Probably

But still

[vocal barn]

is there an explanation for what timestrike does?

[cinder geode]

why do we not take the 10% poison damage in the class tree ?

[split jewel]

what do we use our 2nd crest on?

[cinder geode]

would that buff kingsbane damage or no

[timber meadow]

does the ilevel on a piece of armour with patch matter at all for the patch itself... i dont think it does but just confrimign

[warm void]

dmg

[spice spire]

Boots or patch whichever you haven’t

[split jewel]

thnx bby

[timber meadow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[modest gale]

do u always rupture during sd kb?

[raw raft]

to take ring or hands hmmmge

[fervent jasper]

Wait we don't CT until 4 targets?

[slim hamlet]

2+ with no 4pc, 4+ with 4pc

[fervent jasper]

got it

[arctic tusk]

are there any gems not worth simming with

from my understanding Sin uses literally everything so

[fervent jasper]

Which slots do we want our 4 piece in?

[spice spire]

All but legs ig

[raw raft]

what boss drops the helm enchant i forgore

[slim hamlet]

quedst

[storm thistle]

how many secs into opener should i get PI?

[slim hamlet]

on dm

so 8

[storm thistle]

rad thanks

[slim hamlet]

Well I lied

Depends on CP

But around there

[dreamy elk]

CT only worth using at 4+ target count?

[void pecan]

2+ without 4 pc. 4+ with it iirc.

[spiral salmon]

Wafting better than Sophic in general for Assa?

I know I can sim just curious

[dark token]

Why you think I CT at 2

[timber meadow]

with 4pc, do you just never cast a single envenom? or what are the chaining rules exactly

[raw raft]

my sims want one sophic and one wafting

[vapid sierra]

what mkaes nick better than crafted minahand?

is it crafted ilvl?

[timber meadow]

like pool to 80+ and then chain envenoms till your dry then pool to 80+ again and repeat?

[spiral salmon]

I will sim later but I suspect that is the case with me, my gear is so overstacked with haste atm

[celest helm]

nick has timestrike which is effectively a multistrike effect

[fading patrol]

whats the drop rate on nick of times?

[runic hinge]

50/50. You either get it or you don’t.

[wide ferry]

0.00000000001%

[ebon mortar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[fading patrol]

yaping

[timber meadow]

wouldn't it be best, with 4pc, to pool until like 1-2s on envenom and then send your next envenom... rather than just chaining continously

like mantaining the buff and casting envenom with envenom but conserving eneregy while you do it

[slow needle]

That is what you do?

[timber meadow]

iono im asking

i just got 4pc

[slow needle]

Whispyr's youtube has some good videos on this.

[timber meadow]

i dont see why you wouldn't ig

[slow needle]

And hang on, lemme find a message.

[distant helm]

somewhat of an odd question, do we ambush or muti in our shadow dance windows? when i checked the sim it does muti

[proper forum]

Was it aoe to apply caustic spatter ?

[oak lagoon]

is this good? im the most ilvl in the guild but i only did 132k xd

[edgy trellis]

what do we get if we achieve 2000 m score ?

[slow needle]

#assassination message

This is the pooling logic in the sim.

[real stirrup]

if its aoe you main spatter with multilate then you fan of knives for 3+ targets, in ST you would multilate or ambush if blindside proccs

[distant helm]

but you would always ambush in st in stealth stance without splatter right

[gusty mirage]

@slate crown :3

[slow needle]

Congratz dude!

[warm void]

tier token

[proper forum]

No just put mutilate in your generator slot in stealth and remove it from your mind

[gusty mirage]

we have risen

just need a new neck

[rotund wagon]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[restive falcon]

is vers really good for us again? all my sims want vers, im at 40% crit 21% haste 48% mast and 7% vers

and my sims still want more vers

[gusty mirage]

all 4 stats are relatively close

[slow needle]

Vault or dungeon? If latter how do the bosses feel?

[gusty mirage]

vers is the "least good" one

[gusty mirage]

dungo

and bosses seem fine-ish

but I'm not checking atal

[restive falcon]

alright, like all my sims wanted vers/x

[slow needle]

Atal looked okay when Growl did like a 25 or something.

[restive falcon]

so was confused

[gusty mirage]

ye we're at a point where we got so many secondaries that DRs start factoring in

etc

[young crown]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[restive falcon]

thank you

[timber meadow]

okay yeah thats basically what i thought

[gusty mirage]

[modest gale]

is it okay to macro sd and kb together?

[edgy trellis]

only for first week or can i get it tomorrow and do i have to wait the reset to get it or can i claim it once 2000

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

perfectly fine in raid

[warm void]

whenever you get 2k

[gusty mirage]

can be a little jank in m+ if you wanna send dance w/o KB

but it's also kinda whatever

[modest gale]

/cast sd
/cast kb
?

like that

[gusty mirage]

[modest gale]

thanks pussy cat

[real stirrup]

yeah so you would mostly ambush in ST Shadow Dance window I believe

[slate crown]

oh you get the stick?

[lucid rain]

do you have the shakecat emote?

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

@onyx steeple #assassination message

[quartz storm]

with this dagger what benefit should i take ?

[unique sorrel]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[quartz storm]

oh thanks

[proper forum]

leech is nice

Beast

That’s just my opinion idk

[quartz storm]

that what i thought

Okay thanks

[ebon tundra]

Just faction/race changed to alli/night elf. Any shadowmeld secret tech I should know about or useless outside of openworld content

[proper forum]

Works in m+ trash not bosses iirc

[onyx steeple]

Gonna check those by morning, thank you buddy

[proper forum]

Gotta meld into true stealth not just meld on its own

[vocal barn]

what lvl keys drop champion gear?

[proper forum]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[gusty mirage]

our DH traded it to me

he's handing them out like he's the Oprah of Everbloom

[slate crown]

u get some balls and uget some balls and u get some balls

everyone gets my balls!

[ebon tundra]

ah sweet, so macro it with stealth and its an extra free vanish between chain pulls?

[proper forum]

Apparently you can see other peoples balls is that true?

[slate crown]

It was true on the ptr

I think it is still true on live

[proper forum]

I believe so yeah. Been a few years since I played nelf but that’s the way it was last I played

That’s giga lol

If you macro meld with stealth make sure to be staying still

Won’t let you meld stealth if you’re jumping or something

[urban dune]

in whispyrs pooling video, when he says chaining envenoms that means intentially waiting for last second of envenom to re-envenom right?

[proper forum]

Ya anywhere from 0 - 1 sec is ideal

human error and all that

[slate crown]

Envenom is a buff which pandemics, so casting it while there is still time remaining will add the remaining time to the new buff. Typically the safe threshold is 2 seconds. There are weakauras which track the pandemic threshold specifically, as it depends on how many combo points you hae

[ebon tundra]

Cheers for that, yeah ive put it on a keybind that forces me to stand still now aha

[wide ferry]

@quartz storm wait whats a benefit and why dont i know about this

[proper forum]

Ooo I didn’t know env was pandemic

[slate crown]

yah

[wide ferry]

noob question can someone explain what these are?

[slate crown]

The dagger which drops from the 2nd boss in the new raid has a special on-use where you use it on an enemy type and it grants you a buff

Those effects are the buffs it grants, based on the type of enemy you use it on

[wide ferry]

i got the dreamcarver too lmao

[full summit]

Can you run double dream carver

or no?

[proper forum]

Effect persists through death and even logging out (if you don’t move the dagger)

[wide ferry]

ty

[vocal barn]

so 9+ and up?

[proper forum]

It’s unique equipped

[slate crown]

Correct

[novel arrow]

Hey guys are catalyst charges every 2 weeks?

[slate crown]

Yes

[full summit]

Can you run double dream carver or no?

[proper forum]

No it’s unique equip

[full summit]

fuck

alr

[proper forum]

Ya I got normal enchanted it then got heroic immediately after and had to bin the normal lol

Still 441 nic of time though 😦

[full summit]

normal one with leech dropped but i have heroic 1 alr

[novel arrow]

Hey guys, are Catalyst charges every 2 weeks or every week?

[full summit]

every 2 weeks

we get one next tuesday

[proper forum]

Spark and catalyst on alternating weeks so if it’s spark this week you know catalyst is next

[shell osprey]

ok sims show (which i find really odd) that both options are worse then what i currently have but how is everyone feeling about the rare fyrak trinket?

i have heroic beacon and heroic nelth trinket on still

[junior aurora]

link sims

[shell osprey]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i2AA7rV9oEmnQLbL7JhCyJ

[cerulean nest]

do you try to dot all three on council

or focus two

[lucid rain]

I thought there was a pin about it

the trinket I mena

[eternal heath]

Is caustic even worth going for Gnarl

Feel like adds would get blown up too fast

[slate crown]

It depends on how fast they die, but I think caustic is still worth it, it doesn't take much cleave for caustic to show its value

[dark token]

Yes

It's a minor st loss

And big aoe gain

You take it on any fight you even have minor cleave on

I lose more st going for acro than caustic

[proper forum]

Is acro on igira a thing

For spears

[green apex]

Mythic pants for catalyst or 480 Mirror?

[frigid dirge]

is spatter not working for any one else

[teal ferry]

how do i sim the weapon runes again?

[proper forum]

mirror feels like poo to use

[thorny pond]

Did we lose sim DPS?

[dark token]

Wdym for spears

[proper forum]

The spear adds on igira

[dark token]

Yes

I know of them

How does acro help you hit them better

[green apex]

I got a 470 Pip vs 480 Mirror 👀

[proper forum]

Caustic is 12 yrd I’m wondering if going acro to buff aoe is a good choice

If people don’t stack close

Erm

[dark token]

Acro doesn't extend caustic spatter range

[proper forum]

Oh ic

Tyty

[rocky ibex]

what does the buff from raid dagger do?

the dreamcaver

[thorny pond]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[hexed willow]

woo got mythic tier gloves

[rocky ibex]

3

[patent crater]

is there an empowered garrote weak aura?

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

There are, in fact, many. LE's Profile above has a standalone weak aura if you'd like a single one

But all of those packs should have one as well

[eternal heath]

That's fair

[patent crater]

ya looking for standalones

[devout prism]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[eternal heath]

I think I just swap IB and that's the only change right

[runic hinge]

Damn. Who is this LE fellow. They make some nice WA’s

[slate crown]

I'm not referring to myself in third person when I do that just referring to the name of the link . Also for all the self promotion I do I do feel weird referring people to use "My" things explicitly. Imposter syndrome, etc etc

[timber meadow]

is there any scneario where you use ct on st?

[slate crown]

For lite cleave yes, you just swap IB and spatter, that's all I do for council, larodar, igira, root

actually literally every boss in the raid is either flatly ST with IB, or ST + Spatter, no boss uses any other layout I don't think

[slate crown]

No

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[eternal heath]

Not sure I even trust using spatter on council lol

I mean we are just clearing normal atm anyway but still

[slate crown]

It's hit or miss, really depends on the tanks

[gaunt moat]

i tried IB, it did less.

[blazing jewel]

what the fuck is this lol

[woeful cipher]

are we running wafting devotion over sophic?

[slate crown]

Sims, it can go either way

[eternal heath]

Also we pulled while I was swapping to ST talents for volc 🫠

[earnest remnant]

a first weapon

[rough girder]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[upbeat pebble]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[jade blade]

am i supposed to try to stay above 50% energy?

[vocal barn]

yeah thats a question ive been meaning to ask

what do we do when we get starved

[strange python]

Is there a way to sim like what i should upgrade?

oh i guess i could click the + button

[spice surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG0zGACDAuY
Whispyr has a video on it, but no you generally dont play around sanguine blades, you rather play around keeping envenom up all the time

[tall atlas]

Tea

[long pecan]

I think the trinkets on wowhead are not up to date

bloodmallet give very different results

[gaunt sigil]

What is best dreamcarvers buff?

[tall atlas]

Is whis here

[long pecan]

@balmy condor We summon thou

[spice surge]

They say the exact same thing

What are you talking about

[long pecan]

on bloodmallet te best trinket after branch is ashes

[spice surge]

Yes

[warm void]

Almost an S-tier trinket, if not for the fact that Witherbark's Branch exists in the loot pool.

[spice surge]

Did you read what it says for ashes

[warm void]

read it

lmao

[long pecan]

I did

[spice surge]

You didnt, because it literally answers your question

[gaunt sigil]

Is there a pic or something for the Cruel Dreamcarver buff?

[long pecan]

lol

[spice surge]

Almost an S-tier trinket, if not for the fact that Witherbark's Branch exists in the loot pool. Since there is a shared cooldown between on-use trinkets, you would only ever use one of them. Because of that Ashes of the Embersoul falls a tier as a still really good option, but sadly there's simply a better version.

[long pecan]

Great c/c

so if its almost equivalent to the best

it should be 2nd.

[warm void]

theres no saving you

[long pecan]

Did some of you fail basic math?

[frigid python]

What is your question mousse?

[warm void]

you can read it

[shell osprey]

oh, i think they are trying to argue soul and witherbark trinket are bis when having both?

[long pecan]

nope

[shell osprey]

well, nvm lol

i have no idea the question then

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[indigo mulch]

still no witherbark

._."

[long pecan]

Given the opportunity of looting ashes in a reclear when you dont have witherbark, you should treat is as S tier (above pip and brand) because it will bring you more than having those 2 together.

So my comment was that i dont think it should be that low on the wowhead page.

[lucid silo]

0 rogue tier drops in 2 weeks

im gonna off myself

[frigid python]

If you don't have witherbark, yes ashes is the next best thing. And he explains why it's a tier lower

[timber meadow]

any particular talent builds better/worse for tyran weeks?

[frigid python]

Well technically in 1 week xD

[indigo mulch]

I got ashes on our normal run. Hence why i'm not all to sad i don't have witherbark yet.

[long pecan]

^^

[rough girder]

do you only have one chance per week at getting neck from kazzak?

[spice surge]

Daily

From what ive heard

[grand trail]

It dropped only gold to me

[vocal barn]

daily

[balmy condor]

what I do

[long pecan]

Meh i guess ppl dont agree with me so w/e.

Sorry

[indigo mulch]

ohh

[eternal heath]

We have only had Mystic tier drop tonight lol

[indigo mulch]

1/2, only 1 to go

[analog anchor]

what is the off tier slot for sin?

[eternal heath]

legs

[indigo mulch]

pants

[analog anchor]

oky doky ty

[oak lagoon]

does looks ok?

[spice gull]

Bro why is assasination so hard

[balmy condor]

the thing is though, witherbark farmed from m+ is just better than a mythic ashes straight up, and there's like a 99% chance you're getting your ashes from normal/heroic, which will be insta replaced from m+ with a branch

[sonic zinc]

what spec are yall running in m+

[slim hamlet]

We all bricked

[balmy condor]

I have a champion track witherbark from like a +12 or some shit

[proper gust]

So am I not supposed to pool energy when I'm below half energy?

[balmy condor]

heroic ashes is -2%

mythic is a downgrade

I can't put a trinket in S tier when a farmable alternative from a +10 beats the mythic version

[spice gull]

Ik im only like 424 ilvl but I shouldnt be doing 65k overall in a dungeon tf

[grand trail]

When is eu reset?

[balmy condor]

that just doesn't make sense

12 hours ago

[cedar hatch]

Hi, where can i post logs for review?

[hollow imp]

clear trash, stop avoiding, kekw @balmy condor

[oak lagoon]

best trinket in raid and m+?

[slim hamlet]

In 1.5 hour I believe

[balmy condor]

:)

[grand trail]

I'm still not sure about sandglass

[vapid sierra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/txp6eJ9zw2MPiEiFEaCe4S

[grand trail]

If I should upgrade it

[vapid sierra]

ho come 486 life bound bindings is a dps loss

[grand trail]

Or get signet

[vapid sierra]

AHH NO embel on it

[timber meadow]

any particularly good builds for tyran week? or normal ones still fine?

[vapid sierra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cedar hatch]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j8nDgkpfcXqb7taz#fight=11&type=damage-done

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[midnight geyser]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[snow plinth]

does sanguine blades contribute to the 2 set or is it only active abilities

[balmy condor]

only active

[arctic tusk]

are pips and hourglass interchangeable?

just a sim thing

and signet for that matter

[balmy condor]

they share the second slot

but there is better and worse in that slot

hourglass is the default all-around pick

cause it's just good

pips also good

signet only in single target

[spring bane]

Sorry for the dumb question here, but for kingsbane you basically just want all your stat amps active the the last final ticks right? I feel like I’m missing something sometimes, because people are getting substantially more damage during their window than I am at similar ilvls.

[arctic tusk]

prob ilvl diff matters more

like from vault then

[indigo mulch]

I'm guessing sandglass is the m+ trinket

[arctic tusk]

rather than item diff

[modest gale]

In m+ do u always have to sd ib together?

[eternal heath]

You guys go spatter or IB for Igira?

Not sure spears live long enough to matter or are close enough

[balmy condor]

spatter

but your guild has to be not shit

[spice gull]

so I'm getting very energy starved on single target