assassination

[bold bramble]

I just had like 0 energy regen in an +17 key, never had those issues before are there any known bugs about beeing fucked in the energy regen department?

[real solar]

Trufigcd

[ocean spade]

how accurate aree trinket sims atm becasue 454 Witherbark sims lower than my shalamayne and i have a sandglass in my bags that also sims lover than my current trinkets
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5bxSQKRKJP8EpKW7R19F69

[vagrant wagon]

is it TrufiGCD? never knew it had that thing with tracking the finisher with CP used

[earnest remnant]

@gusty mirage this is the amount of runs ive done, and ive looted 3 daggers so far

[vestal wren]

details has a option for that

[vapid sierra]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[real solar]

oh jk, maybe not

[vestal wren]

congrats

[vagrant wagon]

@vestal wren thanks fuu

[balmy condor]

It’s a wa called gcd history or something

[vapid sierra]

what key lvl drops hero?

[vagrant wagon]

ah, thanks @balmy condor rly like the style of that WA,

[drifting light]

whysp, method and wowhead guides have different consumables just FYI

[vestal wren]

https://wago.io/RvbxkQEv2

[balmy condor]

According to the picture you just posted, 17

[storm hedge]

poisons ran out?

[vagrant wagon]

thanks guys, 🙇‍♂️

[desert vault]

haha, branch at 463 is just a mere +14k ... my trinkets really do suck, wow

[storm hedge]

I had that once

[bold bramble]

thought aswell but i refreshed them after i realized i get 0 energy

[candid geyser]

This brings pain. I’ve done 18 and looted 0 dagger 😭

[wide ferry]

same ^^

[balmy condor]

Might be double on use weirdness tbh should really be avoiding that

[slim hamlet]

Are people running caustic on fyrakk to actually prog?

[balmy condor]

Ye

Adds important

Caustic big

[bold bramble]

@balmy condor i play the M+ build you recommended but i just had big energy issues, do i miss something or am i just really bad at Assa Rogue?

[balmy condor]

Need more bleeds

[polar bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/more-dots-gif-10004432

[clever sapphire]

you know that feeling when hc sethead drops, and the healer monk is trying to argue why he needs it as a backup incase he gets no tset from vault (he already got 2 pieces mind you). And the glead straight up says "nah rogue still didnt get any and he is blasting, he gets it"

lovely feeling

[gusty mirage]

you're dead to me

[ocean spade]

is there a custom apl i should be using to sim my rogue?

[balmy condor]

No

[lucid silo]

damn my best trinkets are bandolier and mirror and its so awkward to play right now

[balmy condor]

We keep our simc up to date

Any custom apl is usually some horrid dogshit

Or some janky experimental stuff

Neither of which is really great

[unreal valley]

Hey idk if this is a bug that's been recorded or if anyone else is dealing with, but its regarding master assassin talent.

Try stealthing, then leaving stealth, then re-stealthing again ASAP.

The buff still counts down rather than sticking. And after the countdown is finished, the buff is no longer there while stealthed as well as after leaving stealth.

But, it comes back after waiting the full duration and re-stealthing

EDIT: it takes another whole second come back. It's not instantaneous as I would have thought, but it does come back. If one were to leave stealth without the buff returning, it would not grant said buff.

[desert vault]

is it always Vanish > Rup/Garrote inside the 3s MA window?

[echo geyser]

Hi guys, I have the kingsbane weakaura tracker cause its nice to see big number at the end and see if I hit a new record etc.

Anyone knows how I could alter the weakaura or add a new one to know how many crits were in the kingsbane?

Or if at least the last 2 crit

so I can have some copium when I get shit kingsbanes and I see the last 2 ticks didnt crit

[bold bramble]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[balmy condor]

Any combination of garrote ambush envenom that makes sense

[slim hamlet]

no

[magic sparrow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slim hamlet]

what purple guy said

[desert vault]

ok, but always garrote in priority?

[slim hamlet]

ye but u can always make them all fit

just gotta figure out in what order

[royal lantern]

im at 29 fall runs now

with nothing

fuck this game

and fuck m+

[slim hamlet]

oof

[royal lantern]

worst game mode ever created

[slim hamlet]

Unironically time to uninstall

[royal lantern]

never saw a bigger failure

[gusty mirage]

TRUE

[bold bramble]

any good Kingsbane WAs?

[gusty mirage]

BASED

[royal lantern]

then this bullshit

[agile osprey]

Galkronds Fall Support Hotline?

[royal lantern]

that people stockholm themself into liking because they are wow addicted

[magic sparrow]

Giggles

[grim jay]

wait, I dont vanish with 5 cp into garrote - ambush - envenom?

[storm hedge]

Should I use 2 Thistle tea during deathmarked KB? Or should I use Thistle tea outside cds?

[grim jay]

got mine at 23 or 24

now on the 2nd one

[gusty mirage]

nah bro

fuck that

[devout prism]

this all seems like a lot of work for a dagger you're supposed to loot in vault

[gusty mirage]

1-2% isn't worth 30 more runs for another

[gleaming reef]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[manic quartz]

but it could be just 1 run

[gusty mirage]

the 15 I've ran since I got my first says otherwise

I'm up to 29 runs, 1 dagger seen

[devout prism]

why don't you guys all band together and do 3 rogue runs and help each other get it

[balmy condor]

Only one for the end

[grim jay]

its still better than 94 plaguefalls

[storm hedge]

And where should I use the rest? cause you get one for every KB

[balmy condor]

Just for energy whenever

[hasty edge]

any know how to fix the randomly unstealthing issue, could be with all specs but im having it happen a lot as assassin

[balmy condor]

Sark cloak

[steady hornet]

how are ppl geting caustic spatter to hit so hard in Tindral?? i'm seeing logs at 250k + lmao

[hasty edge]

thank you!

[balmy condor]

Timing kingsbane for the adds mostly

[open rapids]

With that logs and sims do we think we’re getting a nerf? I feel like Aug and PI are the reasons we’re so high and that’s dumb if we get nerfed due to outside buffs.

[scarlet gorge]

anyone got suggestions choosing between sin and outlaw? im kind stuck duno which way to go

[spice spire]

Dagger check

[haughty jungle]

Hey Whispyr are we changing anything to our mythic+ build for tyranical week?

[steady hornet]

so like last 6 secodns of kingsbane everytime and just having that spread on all roots?

[devout prism]

they never nerfed UH DK for this reason

but maybe they hate rogues?

[spice spire]

It will not be biased when I say assassination I promise

[gusty mirage]

if that's what you're worried about, marksman is in shambles

[open rapids]

Lol

[balmy condor]

Not unless you really feel like it and want to take venom rush or something. I’ll probably experiment and see if there’s something clearly better but typically it’s all kinda the same

[scarlet gorge]

lol is that biased or not

[spice spire]

Very

[devout prism]

if you ask in assassination channel you're get one answer and if you ask in outlaw you'll get another 😄

[scarlet gorge]

haha ugggghhh maaan why couldn't they just be the same stats

that's fair..haha

[spice spire]

Don’t let stats decide

[balmy condor]

They are the same stats

[spice spire]

Just play with suboptimal

[balmy condor]

Agility >

[spice spire]

Doesn’t matter

[maiden owl]

so - Slice and Dice I want to keep up p much 24/7
Maintain rupture (as in, keep the dot on as much as possible)
Same goes for Deathmark as CD allows

Kingsbane.... you want to use in tandem with Shiv? So, if using kingbane, make sure you've got both shiv charges ready to cast

Mutilate to generate combo points

My brain is braining, steam coming out of my ears, gears turning

[spice spire]

So far so good.

[maiden owl]

trying to get myself to memorize the opener lmao

pretty much just - slap down your opener, then maintain sounds like?

[hasty edge]

dong you shiv with deathmark now with AP

dont*

[maiden owl]

save shiv for deathmark, not Kingsbane

[proven jasper]

You always double shiv during kb

[balmy condor]

You still play kingsbane with AP

Why would you change anything

[maiden owl]

ok so YES Kingsbane + Shiv

[proven jasper]

yes

[balmy condor]

Yes

[maiden owl]

gotchu 🫡

[proven jasper]

The shiv+ kb will line up with ur dm anyway

[river ember]

Whispyr do you know if upgrading crests is time gated? I just got the achievement and dont have any option to upgrade shit from the vendor

[storm hedge]

You always KB right after Deathmark anyway. So remember Kingsbane + Shiv

[balmy condor]

You can’t upgrade past the cap

[maiden owl]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-write-that-down-xox-gif-8186437

[desert vault]

just trying to get a feel for damage, say i'm 350k during MA burst window, in the other windows should i be around half that? more? just doing some dummy practice to learn

[balmy condor]

Less than half probably

[desert vault]

ok, cool

[balmy condor]

Maybe a third

Or a fourth even would probably be okay

[neat plank]

wtf 😄

[storm hedge]

Fourth seems right imo.

I do 4 times more damage during burst imo

[cerulean walrus]

Perhaps even a fifth

[neat plank]

yeah, outside of cooldowns theres no damage

I feel like bleeds used to do mroe

[cerulean walrus]

Or a sixth, even.

[desert vault]

that is where i was seeing my numbers at, just wasn't sure what to expect, so it is all about crit garrote after vanish huh? 😛

[balmy condor]

What

No

[mint valve]

is assa bad in keys because you cant get restealths if youre optimally pullin the dungeon?

[balmy condor]

We vanish for kingsbane crit

[balmy condor]

No

[desert vault]

oooh on the last ticks?

[maiden owl]

Garrote > Ambush > Rupture > Mutilate, activ Slice and Dice, back to Mutilate

THEN we start with - Envenom > Deathmark > Kingsbane > Shiv

Then back to Garrote > Ambush more or less?

[balmy condor]

Deathmark shiv kingsbane

But yeah

[maiden owl]

oke gotchu, was a bit confused is KB before or after shiv

[balmy condor]

Close enough

[neat plank]

how long is the +crit window after vanishing? 6 sec?

[desert vault]

3s

[manic quartz]

3

[grim jay]

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEJJJhEEAAAAAASJJSLJAAAAAAgWSCSgkkSaJRERkEJRSTJSAA
kinda like that one ngl

[balmy condor]

Ma is a 3 second buff

[neat plank]

I thought subterfuge would help 😛

[balmy condor]

Ok

[slate crown]

Yeah honestly both the Hybrid and Shock builds specifically have talents that improve both Aoe and ST, neither exclusively leans either direction.

[slim hamlet]

@balmy condor At what amount of targets is it worth to funnel with FoK, CT and Rupture for scent of blood, like if the dmg ONLY matters on one. And also does CT keeps the increased dmg when the other mobs die, or only when they're alive. If u know all of this ofc

[tame tangle]

whispyr has a thesis proving why it doesn’t matter

[maiden owl]

And I assume for single tar its just, rise and repeat yeah?

then big deeps

[mint valve]

can i read this thesis?

im just curious is all

[desert vault]

and, just to be sure, the damage during the KB windows w/o the vanish should 2-3x smaller than with Vanish?

[dusty zenith]

Im a bit confused on how to continue my rotation on boss fights where I have to use DM multiple times. After the first vanish and DM and Vanish are back up how do I go about the opener sequence again. Do I want to pop Dance and KB to get garrot and rupture empowered?

[drifting cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoZDPFk_Zog

[balmy condor]

I don’t understand the first question even a little, yes ct keeps the increased damage

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[balmy condor]

Is a thing

[indigo mulch]

Is it worth holding kb/deathmark for a couple of seconds to try get caustic on fyrakk?

[slim hamlet]

Like when is it worth to fok just for increased CP to funnel onto a single target. Same with using CT and scent of blood

What amount of mobs is it worth to use those spells, when u only care about the primary target dmg

[balmy condor]

No clue, and you always max out scent, and why ct?

[shy axle]

do you hold your cds on the dragonriding boss to get kb during the adds? or just pump it and if it aligns it aligns

[neat plank]

Whispyr how do you personally handle the stance delay that interrupts your ambush when losing subterfuge? :p

[balmy condor]

There’s no world where you willingly sit there and go yeah idk it’s 15 targets and I’m just gonna envenom

[balmy condor]

I don’t because it doesn’t affect me

[neat plank]

why does it affect me and not you? 🙂

[balmy condor]

Skill issue idk

[neat plank]

by not affect you mean you're not bothered or literally doesnt happen

[balmy condor]

People bitch about it all the time and I’ve never noticed it

[indigo mulch]

If you want to pad yeh.

[storm hedge]

Do you spam your mutilate or do you single click it @balmy condor

[tame tangle]

spellbook click

[balmy condor]

I spam it kinda

[indigo mulch]

On hc it dosent really matter, but for mythic you do want the big kbs on the shield.

[storm hedge]

That's the difference imo

I always single click my keys and now it f's me when stealth window ends

[balmy condor]

I mean does it matter

[slim hamlet]

I would expect CT to be worth using for ST when it is increased by having multiple targets around?

[storm hedge]

It wants to Ambush when I can't

So I sometimes miss 0.5 GCD

[slim hamlet]

I can only think of first boss Everbloom right now for CT thing

[storm hedge]

In opener and vanish

[balmy condor]

We don’t even ct in aoe until 4 targets with tier

[bold bramble]

i personally play Rogue as a ranged DPS with throwing poison dagger

[slim hamlet]

oh

I didn't know that

I have been using on 2+

Is this new or am i dummy

[grand trail]

LETS go

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/pogger-gif-26798099

[spice gull]

Does the arterial shock build in aoe change our rotation quite a bit?

[pine dew]

gz

[balmy condor]

Kinda new I guess idk

[balmy condor]

No

[slim hamlet]

Well thanks 🙂

[bold bramble]

how big of a difference is 2 Nick of times vs Cruel Dreamcarver MH + Nick of time OH ?

[grand trail]

idk but got all now

[gilded oasis]

sim it probably

[buoyant pilot]

I had this issue a while back, found my issue. You might have a troll in your raid too.

[midnight mist]

can kb get parried

[grim jay]

yes

[proven jasper]

Yes

its really fun

[bold bramble]

i am quite new to Assa Rogue, what % in haste we looking for to suffer less?

[midnight mist]

I see

[boreal raven]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[midnight mist]

I was wondering what happened

funny spec

[gilded oasis]

I LOVE PARRY

[proven jasper]

i been there brother

very funny

[grim jay]

galakronds fall last boss loves to

[midnight mist]

can we remove parry or

[ember mural]

But what about riposte then

[proven jasper]

Blizzard thinks its fun so

[spice spire]

Spit facts brøther

[gilded oasis]

bring back spell miss then or spell block or whatever punishes range

[spice spire]

Real

And true even

[proven jasper]

I been saying this

[gilded oasis]

and stop making mechanics where you have to be in front so you get parried

[warm parcel]

Did yall assas have the branch options for sim at hand?

to collect orbs faster/slower

[autumn prism]

How much uptime on spatter is like the goal ?

cus i find it hard to keep it up constantly

[spice spire]

Sec

[midnight mist]

bro im first timing assa and I have to get parried like that ??

you guys should have told me before tho

gg

[gilded oasis]

hey KB can be parried watch out

[midnight mist]

ah nice thanks

I will be careful

[gilded oasis]

god speed

[spice spire]

dragonflight.witherbarks_branch_timing=x/x/x

[indigo mulch]

[warm parcel]

cheers

[spice spire]

Idk if this still works

Gl

[indigo mulch]

That really does suck lmao

[gaunt sigil]

Dude

[runic hinge]

If my kb gets parried I’m wiping the raid

[gaunt sigil]

I bet KB parried in DM

[weak crescent]

Hey is there anything with re applying rapture during kingsbane/drathmark ?

[gaunt sigil]

Legit just wiping cause parse is ruined anyways

[gilded oasis]

parse culture rawks

[gaunt sigil]

I gotta get good parses so I can get into liquid

[harsh thistle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slim hamlet]

On fyrakk, when he flies up and is untargetable, does he still take KB and bleed dmg?

[spice spire]

Ur such an elitist jerk

[gaunt sigil]

I think so

[devout prism]

nope no snapshotting for rupture for those, only reapply if it's gonna fall off

[slim hamlet]

I would think no but my dmg randomly spiked after he flew up with 2 sec left on kb

[gilded oasis]

It does, my scrolling combat text still ticks

[jaunty phoenix]

does feint work on smold absorb?

[spice spire]

Do your bleeds fall off (if you run weak auras they’ll show you)

[wind saffron]

Is it worth breaking old 4set for 2set?

[spice spire]

Like Zaqali it dropped off

[spice spire]

Sim it but probably

[slim hamlet]

I use plater for bleed tracking :/

[spice spire]

Unluigi

[runic hinge]

What are you using for scrolling combat text

[spice gull]

I dont really understand the pooling for the rotation after KB windows

[slim hamlet]

But my details spiked with last KB when he was away

[grave phoenix]

!up

[spice spire]

I used both because I suck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[spice gull]

When do you reapply envenom or spend energy on reapplying garrote or rupture at all? Idk

[gilded oasis]

mik

[weak crescent]

okay thankss<3

[runic hinge]

Are you a boomer

[real stirrup]

I'm just learning this myself. So you envenom always at 4+ combo points as your main finisher, I know you're supposed to improve garrote whenever in stealth and then outside of stealth I think you still maintain ruptures/garrotes. Again correct me if I'm wrong - just learning this insane spec

[whole mantle]

when i use everbloon trinket on burst ?

[gilded oasis]

Yes indeed, I should be dead actually

[whole mantle]

8 s of kingsbane?

[winter flicker]

Back on wow again. ive seen Dancing is over. what build do you prefer and why?

[spice gull]

It's due to the sanguine blades talent. Where this idea of pooling energy comes

[gilded oasis]

macro into deathmark

[spice gull]

What are u on about

[wet agate]

Dancing

[proven jasper]

All we do is dance

[cerulean walrus]

Dance is better than it’s ever been dog

[proven jasper]

Fr

[cerulean walrus]

[runic hinge]

I used mik from wrath until SL and then I streamed for one of my friends on discord and he made fun of it so I stopped

[gilded oasis]

[wet agate]

/dance

[grim jay]

what mik

miks scrolling battletext

[gilded oasis]

people make fun of my UI all the time, I think its banger though. I just watched an old vod from MOP man what a UI.
I like MIK I have it set up the way I like it and fuck em

[gilded oasis]

yes

[runic hinge]

Yes

[cerulean walrus]

I like the scrolling battle text tbh

Just change the font

[proven jasper]

same

[cerulean walrus]

To something that isn’t cringe

[gilded oasis]

I barely look at it, but its comforting to have it there

[cerulean walrus]

Outgoing damage goes up

Incoming damage comes down

[grim jay]

I like it but its a lot of unnecessary clutter

tbh

[gilded oasis]

you can change it tho

[cerulean walrus]

Just put it

[runic hinge]

He said “ no way are you gaining anything from having all that info on your screen”

[cerulean walrus]

Off to the sides

[gilded oasis]

to not show stuff or make threshholds to not show EVERYTHING

[grim jay]

its still on the screen

and you dont need it

[cerulean walrus]

Put it off to the sides so the center is clear

[gilded oasis]

ya I know when I big crit

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah bro

HUGE CRIT

[runic hinge]

Yeah. The sticky crits are bis

[cerulean walrus]

Especially when they stack

That’s some real shit

[runic hinge]

Miks was all I used and I didn’t need weakauras back then

Now I log onto ptr and realize I can’t play

[cerulean walrus]

I’ve never once thought MSBT clutters my screen

[gilded oasis]

look at all those crits baby

I need to readjust my thresholds probably

[cerulean walrus]

UI is super clean and I have plenty of WAs with everything I need

[runic hinge]

Yasss blast time

[gilded oasis]

Yeah I was lookin at my MOP ui. Basically had SUF and DBM

[winter gale]

What are 2 poisons for m+?

[runic hinge]

I used dbm and msbt and nothing else until SL

[gilded oasis]

but UIs are just personal, whatever works for one person may not always work for someone else the best. Same with Keybinds. Everyone slightly different

Damn you held out a long time

I think WOD or Legion I started adding WA and everything in

[runic hinge]

I also didn’t play very seriously at all. Not that I play seriously now either.

[runic hinge]

Which build are you running

[torn atlas]

Deadly and numbing. If playing dragon tempered you'd want to add amp and crippling (unless you want to avoid slowing shit)

[runic hinge]

Maybe I setup msbt again and customize it a bit. Kinda miss it

[gilded oasis]

Do it, don't let people bully your UI

[winter gale]

Whenever I spend some time of the game I mix instant vs deadly prio

[echo geyser]

doing tindral for first time, is sprint + cloak all the seeds a thing?

(on hc)

I'd assume it is but would like to know before i turbo int

[winter gale]

Instant is one for outlaw if I remember correctly

[spice spire]

Doesn’t matter how clean it is I’ll bully for it

I’m a hater like that

[gilded oasis]

Good

drink the haterade

keep hatin

[dull cloak]

yea rogues can clear seeds

[gilded oasis]

livin rent free in your mind

[echo geyser]

ty

[gusty mirage]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?ex=65592c45&is=6546b745&hm=6a1849f8319d284826b46f6e257e341b8146d1cfe4944d74f6c4442650e080e5&

[gilded oasis]

oh man I forgot I used to use that black bar addon (well you could change the color) . what a dweeb

[winter gale]

And for raid with Dragon Tampered I am using deadly amply athropic crippling, right?

[runic hinge]

I’m only satellite internet now so I don’t stream for anyone anymore

[strange python]

bro where the fuck is dagger

[storm hedge]

Is there a setting where mutilate won't change automatically to ambush?

[strange python]

[spice spire]

Yes

[boreal raven]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[boreal raven]

is the pandemic for envenom somethin sin tracks?

[obtuse hollow]

wich is the priority stadistics for assasin?
Maestry > Haste > Versa?

[gray crest]

mastery> pretty much anything else just sim yourself

[storm hedge]

What is different in Whispyr's Afenar edit?

[royal lantern]

30runs

fuck it

[strange python]

i'm guessing it was like largely abandoned or not updated for the new priorities

[royal lantern]

not doing it anymore

[strange python]

bloom or fall?

[keen spruce]

just some custom logic, added improved garrote tracking

[royal lantern]

"oh sorry its rise" the dungeon

[keen spruce]

tracks nightstalker

some other stuff

just QOL things

[lavish wagon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

i mean it annoys me that they start out with the same name

they shoulda called them like Rise: DOTI and Fall: DOTI

[keen spruce]

upper and lower

[inner shard]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slim hamlet]

How do u see what dmg is environmental, physical and so on in logs?

[keen spruce]

[strange python]

i mean something

anything

[fair ingot]

!daggers

[keen spruce]

there's a thingy

one sec

[thorny pond]

!DAGGER

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[sour oasis]

Ashes of the Embersoul

what do you think

about this ?

[gilded oasis]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear#trinkets

[strange python]

I mean i've watched 3 people get branch now so i get it

i was just in there with a sub rogue pumper

[gilded oasis]

read the link its in there

[ashen sun]

How big of a dps loss is wound poison vs deadly and do you think the loss id damage would be offset by the reduced sanguine healing?

[arctic tusk]

Its not actually good to target thr same unit for opening garrotes right? Assuming its 6+

[keen spruce]

@slim hamlet it's ability.type=

in the filter expression

i think 2 is holy?

0 is somethin

1 is somethin

[gilded oasis]

don't use wound

tell tank to kite better

[keen spruce]

just try a few i don't know which is which

[strange python]

so deadly poison does like 4% of my dmg in a m+ and then 2.8% from the instant part. So I'm guessing about a 5.4% loss in an m+?

why wouldn't you use deadly though

[sour oasis]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=207167/ashes-of-the-embersoul?bonus=7981:9576:1520

[gilded oasis]

because he wants to use wound to lower sanguine healing

huh

[thorny pond]

just dont use crippling

[strange python]

yeah that's on the tank

[thorny pond]

and help tank

[proper nest]

Kinda new to assa but do you ever use mutilate in stealth or could i marco that in stealth i have ambush on that button?

[strange python]

we used to use mut in stealth, but i think ambush is just preferable now

I think it's like 100 dps difference if you min max it - i can't remember which way went which honestly.

you could do like:

/cast [stealth] ambush
/cast [nostealth] mutilate```

but i just have ambush on my stealth bar, personally

[proper nest]

okey thx a lot

[strange python]

i think i'm done til reset - i can't get invites like anywhere

[storm hedge]

Do you ever get gcd delays when you are coming out of stealth/vanish and you press ambush when you can't ambush anymore?

[strange python]

lol yes

sub has lived with that for years

[storm hedge]

So I guess no way to deal with that other than spamming the button?

[sage grove]

What are your details damage breakdowns looking like for aoe in dungeons vs boss fight/ single target?

[strange python]

or just keep mutilate there and only use ambush on a blindside proc

[slim hamlet]

Alright thx 🙂

[harsh thistle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[strange python]

sub had a way because they could pretty much guarantee they were casting a finisher when dance was ending like 99% of the time.

for us, it's the opposite though

[storm hedge]

Numbers would go down though can't have that

But yeah separate key for stealthed ambush mby

And stealthed mutilate

[strange python]

i dunno if numbers do go down honestly...miss one ability due to it, maybe that makes up for the miniscule dps difference anyway

[clever perch]

How do you guys manage Council of dreams?

[storm hedge]

10 DPS is 10 dps

[strange python]

plus there's other randomness to it - like 2 poison application chances vs 1, etc.

[clever perch]

do you multi dot rupture/garrote or just focus 1?

at opener

[strange python]

lol i tried that once

got insta killed by the bear

that was our kill

[clever perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8UP26xAHO4 noticed that vspeed only starts with one

we are playing it in mythic aswell

[strange python]

that's a little bit worse than the fights where i actually stay alive anyway

[storm hedge]

Tricks where?

I mean I don't know anything about that fight so mby that doesn't make sense. But wouldn't tricks of the trade save you there? Also no Cheat death?

[dark token]

@final star post council dmg

[slim hamlet]

I put on dryad and bear at start, then pip as she usually gets stacked on bear after and then full on bear

[hexed willow]

!details

[prisma monolith]

To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1173432355785027584/details_vanish.png

[fallow acorn]

I didn't make it 😦

[slim hamlet]

[spice spire]

Timestrike also randomly hits. Or it did last patch so someone timestrike’d their beacon which was GIGA

[fleet pagoda]

that sounds illegal

[strange python]

is it gonna be rough for us on tyrannical weeks, i feel like mobs die too fast even on fortified

[glass junco]

for gnarlroot mythic, do we just go spatter and mutilate the boss instead of fan of knives?

[final star]

no

fuck that fight

what a fucking cluster fuck

actual headless chicken cringe ass fight

zero fun had

[runic hinge]

@final star

[dark token]

i had fun

rank 2 with 0piece

its fun to minmax the stacked IC

its like m+

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[final star]

oh yeah totally if the BOSSES ARE EVER FUCKING STACKED NEAR EACH OTHER

[spice surge]

Assuming your tanks actually stack the fucking bossses ye

[final star]

actual fucking tilter tank fight

just standing wherever they wanna plant

"no we don't want urctos damage too much"

quite surprised how nymue was redeemed as a fight tho

[spice surge]

Too bad we need to kill council again next week to get to her though

[final laurel]

what do i do if tank just goes one pack to another

[storm forum]

What was the last banger council fight? Nathria?

[final laurel]

i dont have time to go invis cause im perma in combat

feels like i just do no damage without my opener

[spice surge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[proven jasper]

Time to use vanish and shadow dance to get bleeds out

[reef oxide]

eh idk if im rolling with that

[storm forum]

Might I suggest Shadowmeld (don't actually race change just to get more restealths in dungeons)

[reef oxide]

you cant get multi garrotes without restealth

[north hinge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[storm forum]

What do you mean here?

[proven jasper]

Yes hence the purpose of vanish and shadow dance

[reef oxide]

when packs take longer

you want vanish or shadow dance to reapply

[keen spruce]

i haven't encountered that issue yet

[reef oxide]

you would rather not waste it on the begining of packs

[keen spruce]

even in like 22s

[proven jasper]

^

[storm forum]

^

[reef oxide]

i have

in low keys

[keen spruce]

and you just treat the new chained pack

[thorny pond]

no more monday keys ever again

[keen spruce]

as refreshing bleeds

it's all the same pull

if it's chained correctly

[reef oxide]

i mean

[runic hinge]

Too late

[reef oxide]

the whole point of this conversation is about your tank not letting you restealth

[bleak tusk]

dumb question: the SIMC implementation counts InternalBleeding as a "poisoned_bleed" for the purposes of computing energy regeneration from venemous wounds
(source: https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/dragonflight/engine/class_modules/sc_rogue.cpp#L9270)

the tooltip on venemous wounds doesn't actually list Internal Bleeding explicitly as counting towards the poisoned bleeds but I think the sim is counting it (from that line in the engine core)

is the tooltip wrong?

[reef oxide]

i would say that isnt playing properly

[proven jasper]

And we are telling you restealths are not mandatory

So

[dark token]

too many people soaking lines here

[reef oxide]

nothing is mandatory

but it matters

[proven jasper]

I gave you your options brother idk what else to tell you

[spice surge]

If you want to know why it doesnt matter nearly as much as you think, check out the things linked here: #assassination message

[rancid crypt]

got the branch trinket today, looked at wowhead explaining how to use it but still dont understand

Do i not want to pickup all the orbs at the same time or?

[thorny aurora]

is smolderon trinket still really good?

[fossil girder]

Soak left and right and then wait

[mighty nexus]

Use it during DM, pick two up immediately, wait 7 sec for the last.

[spice surge]

2 immediately and then hold the last one for 7-9 seconds

[thorny aurora]

like, a better choice over pip's or hourglass

[strange python]

pick up 2, wait 7 sec, pick up other

[storm forum]

Passive is very good on single target, meh in m+. Active trinket is a decent alternative to everbloom branch.

[thorny aurora]

yeah was talking about the signet

mb

[storm forum]

I'm playing signet brand in raid and hourglass in m+

Cause I've gotten beyond lucky on my trinket drops (where the fuck is my dagger blizzard?)

[dull cloak]

don't have the trinket yet. do the orbs move?

[storm forum]

The orbs chase you iirc

[harsh tartan]

guys dose nick of time drop if i set my loot spec for assa while playing outlaw? logicly it should but it has ben 37 tries

[fossil girder]

Yes

[final laurel]

well idk what happened

but\

[distant plinth]

37tries… beta Numbers😨

[storm forum]

Idk if nick of time is on the loot table at all

[fossil girder]

I mean it can. Not that it will

[final laurel]

this outlaw was doing like 5x my dps

[compact flint]

yo guys, in Boss fights (m+) Im pretty energy starved - is there a trick to efficiently use thistle tea or just pool more? feels like Im doing something wrong energy wise, dps is strong

[final laurel]

and it was all from a single ability in aoe packs

[dark token]

man its so hard not to rupture in dance now

[eternal heath]

Does it get better? We only did normal this week but it felt like a joke lol

[dark token]

all my training this patch

[soft shale]

yea blade flurry is their aoe

[dark token]

how much of a loss is it to snapshot rupture in dance vs envenom spam

[dull cloak]

there's no reason to set outlaw loot outside of raid

[final laurel]

i felt like my ads with garrote and rutpure died after 2 seconds

[storm forum]

Blade flurry is spatter but for physical damage

[harsh tartan]

im starting to think on outlaw might be bug =)))

[distant plinth]

Think it was 100-200

[final laurel]

couldnt even continue on with my opener

[rancid crypt]

#showtooltip
/cast Deathmark
/use Witherbark's Branch
/use Elemental Potion of Ultimate Power
like so? kindof?

[storm forum]

Might I suggest some AoE shiv action so Sudden Demise can be 50+% of your damage

[final laurel]

idk

by the time i did the correct aoe opener from wowhead

by the time i got to my first shiv 95% of adds were dead

and i just see outlaw pumping

[soft shale]

that happens in lowish keys yea

[storm forum]

Yeah thats a classic dot/ramp class problem in lower keys.

[final laurel]

ah

[soft shale]

sometimes youy might even want to dislodge KB from DM

[final laurel]

i just wasnt sure if i was doing something inherently wrong or

it was a leveling dungeon not even a lower key so

[soft shale]

and look at others cds

a bit

[final laurel]

maybe thats it as well

[soft shale]

ah yea leveling is whack

[midnight mist]

what do I do when I swap on nymue add

I have kb

but no dots up

[compact flint]

yo guys, in Boss fights (m+) Im pretty energy starved - is there a trick to efficiently use thistle tea or just pool more? feels like Im doing something wrong energy wise, dps is strong

[midnight mist]

if I put up dots they wont be nighstalkered

[tacit oar]

just got destealthed while a mw healed me

[midnight mist]

thats totem

you can thanks subterfuge

[rain mortar]

is it troll to run Branch and embersoul?

[dark token]

i go there with full cp and envenom shiv kb garrote

[midnight mist]

mh

ok that sound better than what Im doing rn

[dark token]

i guess u could rupture garrote and then build to envenom shiv kb

and refresh garrote

[midnight mist]

ye idk thats very slow

I end up with no energy

and cds a bit delayed

[desert vault]

jeez, really just two daggers in all m+ huh?

[final star]

Mythic is pretty good

[dark token]

i actualyl like all the bosses

except volocross

which is

[north jetty]

So aoe shiv should be saved until mons get low health in m+?

[dark token]

nymue needs +5yard melee range as well

[eternal heath]

Maybe we will get there this season

[storm forum]

You can use them alternating on KBs. But idk, sim it, probably worse than just using 1 passive + 1 on use

[final star]

Volcoross wasn't boring because it died on the first pull

[dark token]

we wiped the same on volocross as igira

[rain mortar]

branch for big KB ?

at same ilvl

[dark token]

mostly to people prepull getting smacked tho

[soft shale]

i will go super unhinged on igira

and run tornado

[north jetty]

So that means don’t send your shiv during kb in m+

[storm forum]

Probably yeah

[dark token]

wat

yes you do

[spice surge]

Or have the red seeds spawn 2 yards closer

[dark token]

always have to be in the tip

[soft shale]

fuck the seeds

[spice surge]

Ye

[north jetty]

So what’s the deal with shiv and sudden demise?

[soft shale]

it increases the treshhold

so mobs pop earlier

[dark token]

you dont play around sudden demise

[north jetty]

Kk that makes sense

[dark token]

usually u burst hard enough shiv still running at end of KB at least in 20s

[north jetty]

I’ve been running the utilitarian build to be an ethical gamer but I’m done with it

Going arterial shock starting now

[midnight mist]

I think that was alright

but if i put up rupt in dance as first finisher I drop the envenom thing tho

is that an issue

[grim tangle]

100% envenom uptime during kingsbane is very important

[midnight mist]

okok

will try something else then

[sage grove]

My raidbots in a much earlier post told me to wait 13 seconds without using anything at all to pool energy

[midnight mist]

spec is fun im sorry I have shittalked you for so long fellow sin people

[vapid sierra]

^^^^

[proven jasper]

[vapid sierra]

Zac get back to outlaw channel

Our pr is now ruined

We’re losing him

[oak sky]

outlaw is fun i dont speak for anyone else

[proven jasper]

This channel does alot of outlaw shit talking im sure you can be forgiven

[vapid sierra]

Oxi and whisp love shitting on outlaw

[safe rover]

Is it right to be scared how quick trash is gonna die on tyran weeks

[lucid rain]

which one of you is this

[vapid sierra]

Yeah

Especially with how ez everything is

[dusk palm]

Key level go up. Problem solved

[vapid sierra]

Apart tott and rise

[lucid rain]

sudden demise stonks going up

[safe rover]

21s feel real nice but it’s Forti

[sage grove]

Thoughts on targeting other mobs during kingsbane to reapply garrote/ ruptures in AOE?

[stiff kernel]

Pray and then pray again

[vapid sierra]

Ourside of our opener do we refresh rupture in dance for the dance snapshot?

[stiff kernel]

Then question why youre not building CP then notice the mob you targeted is now leaped out of the group

(Everbloom style)

[dark token]

if u have 6 cp envenom before dance

[balmy condor]

Just don’t rupture in dance

[dark token]

u have time to kb garrote rupture builder envenom

[dark token]

we are talking nymue adds

how to best use 1 mins on em

when u dont have pre-existing rupture/garrote

[midnight mist]

ye I dont really know what to do when I get to the add

[neat horizon]

is this a good damage breakdown in a +17 DHT ? I did 160k overall with 455 ilvl

i feel that its really bad lol

[dark token]

i was proposing going there with 6cp and envenom shiv kb garrote rupture builder envenom

[vapid sierra]

But In general do we rupture in dance or no?

[balmy condor]

doesn’t live long enough

[vapid sierra]

Ourside of opener

[midnight mist]

on mythic

[balmy condor]

Maybe on mythic idk

[vapid sierra]

On mythic bosses we do?

I’m lost

[midnight mist]

im trying rup > gar > build to env > kb > gar again > env > rup

I think this should be ok

[vast loom]

i think thats fine if add lives long enough

[midnight mist]

well I cant do that with gar tho uh

ye idk

[stiff kernel]

I think he’s just saying you’re not going to get the full like 30 seconds out of rupture because they will die too fast

So just envenom or something g

[midnight mist]

maybe I just dont gar, and wait for gar in dance

[vast loom]

i wouldnt Gar

[balmy condor]

Yeh if it lives long enough for that def the move

[midnight mist]

but then im building a whole evis without gar

[balmy condor]

Well

Without the double gar

Don’t do that

[midnight mist]

ye just doing gar in dance

so building without gar to env ?

should be ok

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Just pool some energy before

No biggie

[vast loom]

so run up with 6cp, Rup build to envenom then KB

[sage grove]

Is this all in are??

*aoe

[balmy condor]

Nymue adds

[dark token]

You can also rupture gar mut envenom shiv KB mut envenom garrote

[vast loom]

oh mr whispyr would it be a bad idea to try to fit CT on fights like igira/gnarl root with the sparse adds to get the big CT dmg on main target?

[dark token]

Garrote doesn't have to be first dance global

[vapid sierra]

Wait dance and kb don’t need to be synced in st? We can take a little break to reruptute and gar before using kb?

[west canyon]

Hey, just got back from a long vacay. How is assassination in m+?

[vapid sierra]

Just as long as shiv and kb get casted in dance?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[vast loom]

[balmy condor]

Awful idea lowkey

[vast loom]

D:

[dark token]

We only run spatter in raid

And IC on council

No other cleave talents

[young crown]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vast loom]

yeah i knew that one lol

[tulip tendon]

Finally we gaming boys

[vapid sierra]

Grats

[tulip tendon]

Finally can take a break from m+ before reset

[sick eagle]

you guys reckon it's worth running wound poison instead of amplify for sanguine week?

[fallow acorn]

No. Get back into the never drop mines

[solid void]

Does the kingsbane damage number actually turn green if you hit a good number...? I'm curious "what good looks like" for my kingsbane. I feel I haven't pulled off a proper sequence ever

[stiff kernel]

I have neither trinkets yet fml hope my vault is #blessed

[midnight mist]

I think the other thing worked fine

rup > build to env > shiv > kb > gar

very good

[balmy condor]

Not worth running wound poison on anything in general

[sage grove]

This was my dps on a 16 DHT maybe youir kingsbane is a little lower than it should be, but thats all I see

[west bolt]

Witherbark Branch in Deathmark is mor worth it then line it with kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[rancid crypt]

does the envemon "poison application chance increasse" make the amplifying poision stacks go up faster? right?

[west bolt]

thx

[balmy condor]

All poisons

[indigo sinew]

If there’s 2 rogues in a raid. Would it be smart if one rogue swaps to mind numbing poison?

[midnight mist]

is it worth to refresh rup and gar in the last vanish in kb btw

[solid void]

zac??

wrong channel?

[subtle tundra]

if anything, your ct dmg is low af

[midnight mist]

nah too late I have insane sin gear and no outlaw gear

its over for me

[subtle tundra]

no

[midnight mist]

also im blasting as sin

[balmy condor]

Not really

[midnight mist]

and its easy

[subtle tundra]

go away

[unborn barn]

fotm reroller? 😦

[balmy condor]

Sure yeah

The garrote always, the rupture who cares

For Zac

[indigo sinew]

Thanks

[midnight mist]

okok

[proven jasper]

Fotm rerollers

[midnight mist]

but then you lose rup quickly after

thats why I was doing it

felt worth

[subtle tundra]

it feels better when you rupture

[balmy condor]

Yeh just get it up whenever

[subtle tundra]

so i rupture

[midnight mist]

but I guess no good

[subtle tundra]

its basically the same

[balmy condor]

Rupture in dance/vanish legit 100 dps over slamming envenom braindead

[midnight mist]

I mean its more uptime on ns rupt but one less env I guess

[midnight mist]

alright

well

you mean 100 dps more?

👀

[willow kite]

yeah

[north jetty]

Even without tier?

[drifting cloud]

he cant help himself

[balmy condor]

If I have to crank sim iterations up to know difference then it’s dogshit don’t care

[north jetty]

lol

[midnight mist]

if its not margin of error its worth

just tell me the numebrs big man

[gusty mirage]

@midnight mist hi huge fan

[small compass]

are there weak auras to track how many mobs are affected by garote/rupture?

[balmy condor]

It’s margin of error on default sims

[drifting cloud]

if you sim 200k zac 100dps is margin of error!

[stiff kernel]

Custom lua I made my own I’m sure there is something else out there

[runic hinge]

Isn’t that your son?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[neat horizon]

how much overall did you do ?

[midnight mist]

I sim 200k

also

[balmy condor]

Just always sim APL changes at 300k iterations that way you can ping me repeatedly asking when the change is going to be in sims because it’s 15 dps better

Only rule for assa tc

[midnight mist]

whisp

double on use as sin

[balmy condor]

Dogshit

[midnight mist]

ye I know

[drifting cloud]

dead this tier

[midnight mist]

but apl is also trolling it right

its sending the second on cd

instead on your second kb

[balmy condor]

Depends on the trinket

Ashes/bark sims correctly

[midnight mist]

I have this thingy

[balmy condor]

Bark on dm ashes on kb

[north jetty]

What do you guys think of Atrocity’s rogue WAs?

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s intended on cd

[midnight mist]

seems sus

why

I wont lose an use if I just delay it for second kb

[balmy condor]

Sims worse lining it up cause you miss casts constantly

Sure you do

[midnight mist]

mh do I

let me check

[dark token]

Is 1/1/9 better than 1/1/7 btw for branch timings

If we can get it

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

+250 dps i guess

[gusty mirage]

do you want the diplomatic answer or the real answer

[dark token]

What about worst timings if you fuck up like 2/0/0

[balmy condor]

I can probably add mirror to the trinket list to line it up

[dark token]

And don't move

I'm curious the variance of it

[balmy condor]

But we had this issue in dslice all of last patch

And syncing it was just

A fucking mess

[midnight mist]

ye I mean dslice is a bit weird

for cds

[balmy condor]

Hate dslice

[midnight mist]

Im mostly just thinking raid

[balmy condor]

In raid sure send on kb

Fuck it

[midnight mist]

but I guess this depends on fight timing anyway

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/i-bid-you-welcome-welcome-come-in-accommodating-you-may-come-in-gif-16080020

[midnight mist]

I will send it on kb anyway cause I get it on add its prolly good

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[midnight mist]

sin is fun

I like bleeeding targets

[drifting cloud]

hes lost it

[proven jasper]

He has definitely lost it

[frozen iris]

Im not sure if its been discussed. But Whisyr are you no longer doing your own spreadsheet?

for sims

[slim hamlet]

It's over for him

[midnight mist]

!whispyr

[drifting cloud]

thats what 9 raids a week of raiding with french people do to you

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[drifting cloud]

he enjoys sin now

[midnight mist]

idk

[lucid rain]

:F:rench

[midnight mist]

I think the rogue rework was really good gameplay wise

for all 3 specs

[slim hamlet]

^

[midnight mist]

I was bored on sin and sub before

now I enjoy both

[slim hamlet]

Sub is a bit meh imo but better than last season

If outlaw was far better I would play it and not be mad

[north jetty]

Real obviously

[lucid rain]

its aoe got sent to the shadow realm right?

[runic hinge]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[boreal glacier]

do we always envenom at 4cp ?

[gusty mirage]

The original guy working on AUI's rogue stuff quit. So this update was pushed out, it was checked over by an outlaw rogue main who added stuff to make outlaw rogues happy and left assassination and sub to rot

[balmy condor]

Correct

[slim hamlet]

classic

[gusty mirage]

it's missing a lot of stuff that makes life significantly easier for assa, and I couldn't possibly recommend it for anyone

especially considering you have to pay him money for it

[slim hamlet]

Seems like multiple sin packages are missing stuff this season

[north jetty]

Even with the one pushed yesterday?

[slim hamlet]

Spatter specifically

[gusty mirage]

I haven't checked the last update, I just yoinked Stealthi's edit of it

[boreal glacier]

and if yes, is it also true during kb ?

[gusty mirage]

and frankly I don't plan on giving him any more of my money/twitch primes

his last like 8 updates have been ridiculously late

[north jetty]

That’s on wago?

[gusty mirage]

gonna have to DM stealthi for it

[frozen iris]

Whatre we talking about right now?

Afenar ui?

[shut owl]

Yes and yes. Not aiming for 4, but anything 4+ is fine for cp not being wasted when seal fate hits

[balmy condor]

Atrocity

[serene mason]

can some1 with 4pc T31 show his stats?

[grand trail]

not having any aug on progress is blesssing = working details

just shame that i cant parse

[serene mason]

Im so fuckin clueless what to recraft and what to get.

actually thats me:

[balmy condor]

Just sim yourself man what

It’s not that deep

Just equip agi and blast

[dark light]

is there a way to sim all the weapon runes at once?

[bleak ivy]

is running atrophic+wound poison alright ?

[serene mason]

yeah but i need a "start" 😄

[shut owl]

My gut instinct as well

[balmy condor]

The start is agi mast crit haste

[serene mason]

yes

but i see so many vers gear on people

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s called outlaw

[stiff kernel]

Why wound?

[shut owl]

Yeah a lotta gear has vers

[serene mason]

y

[balmy condor]

Tier has vers and we get branch which is a huge mastery stick so that devalues mastery

[grand trail]

got this today

[shut owl]

If you don't get into everblooms like me though, then you'll never see branch and thus like mastery :p

[shut owl]

Spicy

[dark light]

Saw back to back branches on 16/17 eb earlier

was nutty

[main blaze]

Nice. Now you get to be bigger like the rest of us.

[north jetty]

Upgrade branch or weapon?

[grand trail]

i upgraded weapon first

[subtle tundra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[shut owl]

My third eb wiped on final boss 3 times lol

[north jetty]

Probably branch?

[grand trail]

as i got nick of times

[north jetty]

How much damage is nick of time?

[brazen oasis]

just loot it

[balmy condor]

About 1% per dagger

[dark light]

bruhh

[north jetty]

Jesus

[shut owl]

The time knife. We've all seen it. Just not in our own bags

[novel veldt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[grand trail]

this is nice too

[balmy condor]

Damn this dudes crest cap is like week 5 already

[grand trail]

i dont even know which second trtinket i want

[strong wing]

What's the recommended build for raid?

[balmy condor]

Read guide

[grand trail]

i feel like after you got branch all second trinket options suck

[balmy condor]

[grand trail]

whats your though on that mr whispyre

[balmy condor]

I think that’s an insane opinion

[shut owl]

yo, lemme boot up the game and show you all this sick dagger that ain't even on BiS list

[balmy condor]

Considering sandglass exists

[bleak ivy]

what poisons yall running this week my friend telling me I should use wound for sang but then I cant put on other oness

[grand trail]

yeah i dont feel great about looting signet or pip

[balmy condor]

Tell your friend to show up here so I can hit him in the shins with a baseball bat

[slim hamlet]

What spec do you all think they (rwf gamers) will play on fyrakk?

[shut owl]

I'm having a GREAT S3 so far btw

[grand trail]

so i need to decide if if need on those or not

[shut owl]

whispyr I need this dagger added to the BiS list

[spice spire]

Simply loot a dagger

Krill issue

[grand trail]

i have 4 daggers already

just loot it

[slim hamlet]

[shut owl]

my 3 upgrades have been "I guess I'll change my 447 to a 450 S2 tier piece"

[bleak ivy]

noted

[strong wing]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shut owl]

it ain't fun trying to pug 16+ at 450 lol

[copper grove]

gotta use wound poison

[runic hinge]

Outlaw

[storm forum]

Rattle 'em bois

[bleak ivy]

@balmy condor

[slim hamlet]

Only problem I see with outlaw is the shields, idk how bad they will be on mythic

[shut owl]

man's out here pinging raw

[slim hamlet]

Pings -> says nothing -> leaves

[bleak ivy]

I got the guy

[slim hamlet]

[shut owl]

no lube

[north jetty]

Would it be troll to run branch and ashes as double on use?

[shut owl]

not at all

[slim hamlet]

ye

huh

[shut owl]

branch on DM ash on 1/3min KB

[slim hamlet]

there is aint no way it's worth

imma need to see some data buddy

🤓

[shut owl]

if them's the trinkets you've gotten them's the trinkets you've gotten

[north jetty]

I also have crab shell

[slim hamlet]

Oh yea if u just got doggy besides that

[shut owl]

I don't believe its better than a good passive... but a lotta the passives are kinda doodoo

[north jetty]

And mydas

[slim hamlet]

Hard to see on sim tho

[drifting cloud]

have you tried .. you know simming it

[slim hamlet]

Would be highly suprised if it is made to use 2nd on use on 2nd KB

[shut owl]

sim doesn't like to play it that way

[balmy condor]

You an idiot for this one on god

[north jetty]

Yeah but I’m not sure about the interactions and timings etc

[slim hamlet]

yea