assassination

[vestal wren]

e.g. using branch you might want lower amounts of mastery

[vagrant tapir]

that too

[slate crown]

Yeah exactly

[subtle tundra]

I had receive a total of 12 pieces of loot the first day

[royal lantern]

damm

[clever perch]

i

[royal lantern]

varas you must suck hard

[clever perch]

raided 2 splits

and got 1 dagger from first boss 😄 in nm

[vagrant tapir]

[vestal wren]

exactly, as laxx mentioned. The stat distributions are with optimized gear and t31 4p

[supple snow]

I see

thanks a lot

[vestal wren]

prsonal gear profiles won't have bis, this is why Raidbots is such a good tool for gearing decisions

[steel spire]

The assas nerf is outlaw gains % agility when pi'd

[clever perch]

so 18 NM bosses + 12 hc bosses kekw

[subtle tundra]

Hopefully I can carry hard enough so the tier ends before Christmas, it would be a tragedy otherwise

[spiral pasture]

ppl who have branch, how annoying was it to minmax in raid?

[vagrant tapir]

The more important thing to pull from charts like that isn't so much which stat is showing max comparative value, but more how large the difference in area on the chart between the stats is

[royal lantern]

imagine not having ce yet lol

[haughty flicker]

im too lazy to min/max it so couldnt tell you

i just vaguely pick them up at possibly the right times

walk forward a bit and let them come to me sometimes

whatever i feel like in the moment really

[royal lantern]

ember soul macro with dm

fuck branch

[lavish marten]

Is it just me or do killing the caster / line(?) ads in Fyrakk feel like shit

they die too fast and are too far spread out

[royal lantern]

its a dk grip angle

[harsh galleon]

Is their a certain thing for kingsbane got it macro with SD and always empower garrote keep rupture up but it damage is so much lower compared to some these logs I’m looking at it try to keep 100% uptime on shiv to during this windows and tea with 5 seconds left

[spiral pasture]

thats what im thinking

[royal lantern]

crits rng

poison application rng

weapon enchant procs rng

[spiral pasture]

well tbf for me rn embersoul is more than branch at same ilvl but with 4p embersoul is like 700 dps below, but no minmax required so probably worth

[slate crown]

Honestly I think for branch, the fact that they drift towards you means that the proper way to play it is to never actually look for them. Just know where they spawn (which is static) and go grab one at the start, and just know their path will come towards you. It’s not perfect but just trying to remember their movement pattern is probably more reliable than actually trying to see them and visually find them, because those fuckers are impossible to see on some fights

[harsh galleon]

Yea I’m using wafting devotions still a little undergeared to got abberus trinkets and no 2 piece yet

[slate crown]

I feel like I’ve been able to get used to it a bit and reliably just trust where my mind predicts they’ll be, rather than actually trying to see them in the visual soup

Takes some practice for sure

[haughty flicker]

tbh as long as i have the buff for the end of kingsbane i havent been bothering much past that

still better than any other trinket i have access to

[slate crown]

Yeah for sure, the issue is just making sure you don’t grab them all too early.

I’m actually thinking… of putting another tick on the KB timer that’s 10 sec, “safe to pick up all balls after this point”

May mess around with it

[white widget]

Hey, I've got a quick question regarding this part of the rotation in ST.
Before i spammend garrote into envenom but now it gives only like 3 combo points. Am i suppose to do somehting more like garrot> ambush> envenom on each spender, while in Kingsblade?

[kindred rapids]

honestly insane how good sin is right now

[kind forge]

Enjoy while it lasts

[slate crown]

In the actual opener you can use that moment to resnap rupture, so if you start at 0cp do gar amb rupt. After that point on later DM vanishes, I would probably rupture if it’s fading, but if not I’d just envenom

[red wolf]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[normal mist]

I've done a couple of m+ yesterday and I feel like they are a lil bit too easy, at least in the 13-15 range. (Max I did yesterday was a 17atal that was also a +2).
You guys feel like they are under tuned or something?

[cursive solstice]

Except for tot

Atal tho is easy as fuck

[haughty flicker]

the 20 fall i did in a pug kind of kicked our asses

but pug so

[fallen raven]

they seem pretty easy given the 39 ilvl bump

but it's better than them having to nerf dungeons every reset

[normal mist]

I mean yeah but we are so under geared for a 20 (theoretically)

I'm 447

[cursive solstice]

Yeah like once you are full gear and 4 set I feel like 25’s will be the new 20’s

[arctic hare]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[blazing jewel]

more keys

[lament dagger]

that’s what it felt like last season tbh

like 25s are the new 20s

[royal lantern]

sure mate

now dont get the free augvoker carry

[normal mist]

Imagine having Aug friends

[flint tusk]

Today you will get all of your loot. 🙏

[blazing jewel]

I got kinda juiced

got mythic igira daggger

and timestrike dagger for offhand

[normal mist]

Did 7 dungeons yesterday got 1 piece of loot.
Was loot from the only 17 so I can catalyst the chestpiece into hero already

[steel spire]

Sin won't get nerfed guys we are balanced

[solar bramble]

arterial precision doesn't snapshot right? outside maybe kingsbane?

if sin is nerfed it likely wont be a week or two

once we see how the others start to fair once their tier sets start coming on line

it's possible. . it will also depend on how much of our outlier is based on pi

so if I was say in an AoE pack in keys. i can double garrote and then spread a rupture. then fan > crimson tempest. before using shyv to amplify them all?

[harsh quarry]

hey guys i played outlaw until now but im too bad of a player for crackshot window. Is assa easier? (i play m+ most of the time)

love my rogue dont really want to reroll

[solar bramble]

assa likely isn't esaier. the present outlaw is pretty straight forward

that said theirs less rng to sin

so you can practice and get used to it a bit more reliably

outlaw has a lot of adapatability mid rotation. sin has little to none of that.

[steel spire]

Assa has plate spinning and vanish windows for kb

[solar bramble]

which in a sense can be easier

plate spinning? e.g. nameplates?

[steel spire]

Yer

Easier on the wrist though 👍🏾

[solar bramble]

the vanish + kingsbane will likely be the most difficult to pick up tbh.

or shadow dance

[flint tusk]

Yeh i’d prefer playing the spec that doesn’t physically cripple me 😂

[steel spire]

Macro SD and kb and forget and vanish on the last 3 seconds of kb for max value

[solar bramble]

i do better on sin than outlaw despite outlaw being . . kind of easier. mostly because it's kind of scripted

so shadow dance > kingsbane . . it snapshots kingsbane with dance right?

[steel spire]

👍🏾

[solar bramble]

that will be interesting in AoE. since i'd want to SD to reapply garrotes/ruptures in full AoE lol

instead of just a kingbane window

[steel spire]

Pop tea when kb is at 6 for more dmg boom your a sin main

[drowsy hollow]

They made Sin good, feels so long

[solar bramble]

ya it doesn't look overly complicated. just lookign at the guides on it

[candid goblet]

Ain’t no way Outlaw is easier

[steel spire]

Pick your daggers up at dawn

[solar bramble]

I've played outlaw and sin so far. and outlaw seems quite simple. just need to track your stealth windows for crackshot.

the rest of the rotation is basically 1 2 3. . . mostly

it's far faster and more reactive though. which can very easily end up mroe difficult than sin

depending on the person

[flint tusk]

Outlaw is the turn brain off spec of the class.
Literally anyway i play with has said that’s the only reason they like it 😅

Probs not min max level but still

[candid goblet]

Can only imagine the quality of those Outlaw dudes

[solar bramble]

outlaws cd's go by faster and so it isn't as consistent from fight to fight. like sin where you can literally plan full out what yoru doing. so i'd actually say they're pretty equal. but their difficulty lies in different areas

[jade abyss]

I hope we dont will overperform.. i know blizzard they will nerf us into oblivion when it happens

[faint path]

What talents are u guys playing on raid?

[solar bramble]

sin in the order of execution of a larger amount of skills. but pretty set. vs outlaw which has a very basic set of skills but it's a bit more reactive/rng based.

[steel spire]

Just press what lights up

[solar bramble]

it's . . a bit more complicated than that lol

[drowsy hollow]

I just can't stand outlaw's sound effects for some reason. Sinister Strike is just so audibly unnerving

Or whatever it is now

[solar bramble]

outlaw at 4 piece can be fun. but outlaw with it . .not a fan

that 4 piece and 2 piece does a lot of work for the consistency of the spec. and it's smoothness.

[candid goblet]

We are actually closer now to the middle guy being the 99 one

With the way Outlaw works

[solar bramble]

well sin too

sin is most of the damage in a 2m spike lol

[candid goblet]

It got more punishing for downtimes

[solar bramble]

I th ink they're both good. but I favor sin before teh 2-4p

[humble ginkgo]

Do we want to let the empowered garrote fall off completely or do we just reapply a regular one at 5s?

[royal lantern]

skip on assa, what a sight

let empowered dots drop off

always

[humble ginkgo]

[royal lantern]

man, me when i has too swap specs for m+ all the time, shit sucks

leme play what i want

[humble ginkgo]

My stats are all fucked up

[solar bramble]

the stat priority is kind of why it gets annoying

[humble ginkgo]

Why make vers so shit

[solar bramble]

outlaw doesn't really like mastery so much. but sin loves it

[royal lantern]

can gear for outlaw and still play assa, doesnt really matter much

[steel spire]

F for all the outlaw refugees

[flint tusk]

Stat prio smh

[solar bramble]

it matters a little bit. . . not a massive amount but it matters

[royal lantern]

like, ofc not optimal

but its no 5%+ dps lost lol

[solar bramble]

mhm.

[flint tusk]

Indeed it’s fractional.

[solar bramble]

it's a small enough amount it doesn't matter outside comfort.

[royal lantern]

if you want that vers heavy outlaw gear, just go for it

[solar bramble]

oh i'll be goign vers heavy on everything. because keys

[flint tusk]

Like if you look at assa bis lists it’s off pieces are all over the place

[solar bramble]

if you really want to fix substats. just have an extra pair of rings.

well ima go take a nap and then fix my WA's when i get up

[fallen raven]

iirc whispyr said bis outlaw gear is only 3% behind bis ass gear, that's how little secondaries matter

[solar bramble]

gotta add trackers to shiv, and kingsbane timer

[fallen raven]

both playing assa that is

[solar bramble]

even on outlaw though i'll end up with some haste. . so it'll likely be a crit/vers/haste type setup

[weak bane]

With ashes trinket, what is the condition for "when a situation is dire..."

Circumstances*

[lofty junco]

do u guys sell ore or send it to your JC char?

[weak bane]

Is it a particular hp threshold or something?

[thin furnace]

I think when your health drops under 10%

[weak bane]

Kinda insane for execute then if you can be sure it won't get proceed before

Then just intentionally proc it

Fun fun

[royal lantern]

why should i have a jc char lol

[lofty junco]

well i did that at the start so that i could create them myself instead of buying

[real inlet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty flicker]

i believe its different in a group

like a certain amount of people dead or something

[thorny aurora]

does that make sense that the m+ build in pins (arterial shock + blindside) has tight spender over improved ambush in the class talents?

[balmy condor]

yes

[crimson crest]

Is this spreadsheet still correct? From what ive seen sin is stronger or am I missing something?

[thorny aurora]

but in st improved ambush is picked over tight spender, correct?

[balmy condor]

in st improved ambush is very slightly better, correct

[thorny aurora]

aight thanks whispyr!

[balmy condor]

np

[thorny aurora]

now back to your youtube videos to understand where i'm failing that rotation

[balmy condor]

for me it's back to updating the most poggers tier list of all time

[real inlet]

I'm also curious about the fuu sheet. Seems sin is outperforming outlaw by quite a bit but all the numbers on the spreadsheet say it shouldnt

[balmy condor]

since they buffed half the trinkets on this fucking list

[minor anchor]

wait are BiS trinkets changing?

[thorny aurora]

man i just wish i could stop playing branch

[balmy condor]

sin is also getting pi and aug simped 90% of the time, and the burst AoE on some of the fights is crazy pad

so

[thorny aurora]

seeing these orbs on fights like larodar is a nightmare

[balmy condor]

it be like that ya know

outlaw is a crazy good spec

but if assassination is getting 12k from a PI and padding the fuck out of vines on tindral or spears on igira or gnarlroot adds

or bursting super hard on the damage increase phases on gnarlroot

or tindral

padding adds on larodar

like

there's so much shit in the raid where just "this 5 min patchwerk sim > that 5 min patchwerk sim"

doesn't work

[indigo mulch]

Imagian getting pi, our hunters is getting auged and pi. They are also feeding them all the gear cause.. 'They do good dmg'

[balmy condor]

it's kinda the reason why I always tell people to stop comparing simulations across specs

cause it's fucking dumb

to compare assa and outlaw

on a 5 min single target sim

and then look at like gnarlroot or whatever

and wonder whats going on

[real inlet]

Ah that makes sense

[balmy condor]

like yeh

they're just

different situations

with two specs that have WILDLY different damage profiles

[royal lantern]

if you look at the frking first 2-3 bosses of a raid and decide

bro

like

its the first 2-3 bosses lol

[thorny aurora]

i'm just glad sin is proving really strong in m+

[odd notch]

Rogue that just came back from 4 month break after ce and totally out of the loop. hows the rogue specs handling? assa looking good?

[thorny aurora]

all 3 specs are awesome

[steel spire]

Play what u like

[near valley]

It's joever

[thorny aurora]

all 3 do good damage

[balmy condor]

I lowkey think outlaw could sim even higher, cause they can't really take advantage of a lot of the random burst aoe or damage increase phases

[near valley]

Roll DH

[balmy condor]

but outlaw is still a really good spec regardles

[odd notch]

So good to hear, love sin ❤️

[steel spire]

Or bm

[indigo mulch]

Bm hunters.

[near valley]

Damage profile diff

[indigo mulch]

The "fix" they did the other day did nothing.

[balmy condor]

lowkey think outlaw might just be strictly better on fyrakk if the last phase isn't a major dps race

really depends

larodar seemed like a pretty hefty dps race too

would expect outlaw to be good on that

nymue seems like a good outlaw fight

idk

I think it's too early to really tell how good or bad the rogue specs are

[near valley]

40% to 0 with limited seeds and the Nados seems like a dps race in theory

[balmy condor]

like yeh, big surprise, the burst spec is looking good in normal splits

[near valley]

True

Normal is whatver

[balmy condor]

who would've thought

we'll see what the outlaw one tricks cook up when heroic solidifies and mythic bosses start dying

[indigo mulch]

It's the year of the pets tho. Bm hunters just crushes anyway.

[balmy condor]

bm is good but I'm better

[indigo mulch]

Kek

[balmy condor]

eat shit hunter scum

[indigo mulch]

They are taking my aug buff and my pi

[balmy condor]

(I would've lost if I didn't get pi)

they're just much more consistent damage tbh

[spice surge]

All this outlaw vs sub talk, people just forget sub

[steel spire]

Feral in the mix

[indigo mulch]

I wonder if bm will keep being this strong. I feel like you don't really need a y other classes than bm in a raid lmao

[thorny aurora]

whispyr did you edit your pooling weakauras? mine is telling me to mutilate when i'm already at 4CP and should be pooling or finishing i guess?

[balmy condor]

ayysha is a chad, she's so good

[copper hazel]

one of my DKs is still taking PI because "bloodmallet says so"

[balmy condor]

it uses the 5cp logic

no difference really

if you want to, you can go into the conditions and set it to 4

shouldn't be hard to fix

[royal lantern]

you know the drill

assa slams in week1 and gets destroyed cus of week1 Performance

outlaw aswell

nobody plays sub, sub gets 4set and then demolishes

[balmy condor]

yeh bm just does everything tbh it's pretty crazy

[thorny aurora]

i swear to god i thought it was using the 4cp logic

i'm blind

ty

[balmy condor]

it has a bunch of burst

has a bunch of sustain

has damage for every spawn of adds

[indigo mulch]

Can move while casting

[balmy condor]

yeah

[slim hamlet]

Bm technically got a buff too

[balmy condor]

it's silly

[indigo mulch]

Like.. You don't really need anything but bms in a raid

[crimson crest]

I think its time i learn sin aswell, is it really as intimidating as it looks?

[balmy condor]

yes super intimidating don't play it you'll die insta

impossible to play

100%

[slim hamlet]

Yes 👻

[proper forum]

Nah you’ll die slowly via poison and bleed

[spice surge]

Cant play sub rn in m+ though because 2p ninja pulls across the universe

[royal lantern]

i can play it

so most can do it

and im a big fluffy idiot

[spice surge]

Forced to play assa in m+, what a world we live in

[balmy condor]

damn

cry

[near valley]

Lmao really?

[balmy condor]

year of the poison

[faint path]

You can play all rogue specs atm tbh 😄

but assas is most fun

[near valley]

Outlaw the unsung heroes one again

[royal lantern]

because the year is almost over?

[spice surge]

Read what i wrote again

[balmy condor]

outlaw is the unsung heroes because they keep the fotm rerollers at bay

[faint path]

Oh you said it in a good way 😄

[balmy condor]

containment area

[spice surge]

#assassination message

[slim hamlet]

"containment area"

That one is good

[balmy condor]

bad things happen when the outlaw channel starts to leak

you start getting really stupid things being said

[near valley]

What can I say, except You're Welcome

[spice surge]

You know theyre gonna kneejerk overnerf assa and then sub is gonna end up the best anyway

Thats the script

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

apm??apm??apm??apm??apm??apm??apm??apm??apm??apm??apm??apm??

[steel spire]

Yea like people start cooking ultra tank assassination builds

[balmy condor]

I'm not saying outlaw players are idiots, but there is a direct correlation between amount of outlaw players coming into the channel and stupid things being said

[steel spire]

[near valley]

Amount of people that come in saying APM too high

[thorny aurora]

there's a buttload of outlaw only rogue players though from what i've seen

[near valley]

Someone has to be

[balmy condor]

yeah those are fury war and havoc dh rerollers from shadowlands

that rerolled outlaw cause button fun

and just stayed

[thorny aurora]

yeah was gonna say they're the fury wars of rogues

[near valley]

If sub was looked on as good then you'd see a lot less fotm reroller in our chat

[slim hamlet]

but, but Realz said "what if sin meta"

[balmy condor]

shadowlands beta was WILD

[steel spire]

Tfw we are now the fotm spec

[balmy condor]

there was like a flood of havoc players

cause havoc was ass during shadowlands beta

and sub/outlaw were bugged to shit in a good way and stomping ptr testing

[near valley]

Then rogue s1 of SL

[balmy condor]

so half of the havoc population showed up in outlaw and sub one day

[near valley]

[balmy condor]

and the channels exploded

[steel spire]

Sub players on first week tuning changes during sl

[balmy condor]

yeah was really quiet when the patch went live, kinda weird

[strange python]

outlaw or rather favourite if mine "combat" died back in cata or legion whenever the rework came out

[balmy condor]

fotm cucks, the whole lot of them

smh

[near valley]

Fotm reeollers bring the comtent tbf

[slim hamlet]

Define "content"

[royal lantern]

how many auto muted comments happend during that time

i really wanna know

[oak tangle]

"what is a macro that lets you change mutilate to ambush when blindside procs"

[steel spire]

[spring socket]

dont need to now

[steel spire]

✈️

[balmy condor]

the flashbacks

I hear the helicopters man

[royal lantern]

drops a hard r

another one

and another r

"why does my comment get deleted???"

[blazing jewel]

[near valley]

Imagine being so wrong on something you can easily prove is wrong, you mute somebody for calling out your bullshit act, which is acting right when you are actually wrong about the subject currently being discussed (soothing got a nerf which means it isn't a net 0 change) While LMFAO'ing me despite you clearly being wrong if you thought for one second about it.
"LMFAOOOOO"
"He still has no idea"
But no you have the special role so whatever you say is law.
1984

[balmy condor]

banger copypasta

[steel spire]

[balmy condor]

the content with the health buff/soothing nerf was incredible to watch

[near valley]

Was a quality saga

[balmy condor]

outlaw players trying to do math if +25% max hp -25% healing done ends up being net neutral or not

and then tying themselves into knots figuring out if that means it's a nerf

[steel spire]

Is there a discord meme review video out on the whispyr channel

[balmy condor]

incredible content

[near valley]

Guy had a field day with that one

[royal lantern]

the random 1984 seals it

[glossy grove]

Whispyr, yoú told me qyesterday to use my spark for boots, with toxified embellishment, right? Why didn't you use yours for your boots?

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

"if you buff the max hp, and nerf the healing, the raw amount healed is the same, so it's neutral. You're not taking more damage, and you're not healing more"

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN YOU ABSOLUTE APE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER ON THE SPELL WENT DOWN THATS A NERF UGH ACTUAL CLOWN SHIT

[balmy condor]

is this an actual question

[royal lantern]

he probs waits for last raid of the reset/vault mate lol

[near valley]

Other good content time was when people unironically thought exsanguinate was a good button during DF beta early S1

[steel spire]

Great copypasta

[glossy grove]

y

[steel spire]

Oh shit my bad

[balmy condor]

that's why I haven't crafted yet

[glossy grove]

Ah

[royal lantern]

[glossy grove]

alright

[near valley]

Do as he says not as he do type beat

[blazing jewel]

[spring socket]

i used the free wrym one from fryak

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hollyweencandy-cat-cat-drink-milk-cat-eating-cat-drinking-gif-16978701194275077898

[royal lantern]

upgraded my boots and will use the wyrm one for wrist

[balmy condor]

yeah I'm not gonna recraft my shit twice

so

[near valley]

Funniest part was the dudes name was Ahri

[balmy condor]

I'm just gonna craft it over the weekend or whatever after running more m+

[near valley]

So people kept flaming the Sin one

[royal lantern]

oh ye

[balmy condor]

a tale of 2 ahris

[royal lantern]

poor ahri lol

[balmy condor]

@uncut echo hows it feel knowing you're the better ahri

[steel spire]

[blazing jewel]

This ahri plays stinky warrior class

[balmy condor]

yeh big bozo moment

[slim hamlet]

[royal lantern]

insert scana arms warrior 0parse

[blazing jewel]

Scanaw cranked fyrakk

[balmy condor]

PlebsKittenParse.jpg

[royal lantern]

we doing fyrakk tonight

[balmy condor]

good luck

[near valley]

Buffed fyrakk pog

[balmy condor]

we were 7 healing earlier tonight

[balmy condor]

and it was still rough

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-sure-catbruh-gif-21408636

[grim jay]

the "we lost damage to gain damage elsewhere" was quite close aswell

[blazing jewel]

PLEBS KITTEN HAS A 100 BOZO

[royal lantern]

ye but das was too easy???

atleast thats what blizz said

[balmy condor]

1 out of 1 doesn't count

[near valley]

Fyrakk is a banging fight though

[balmy condor]

fyrakk is a good fight but just

please don't make us 7 heal 25

[near valley]

U really feel the heat in the last phase

[languid glade]

hey guys i got all crit vers gear from playing outlaw but what stat should i recraft my gear to?

[grim jay]

tbh I like the whole raid a fair bit more than aberrus

atleast

so far

[grim jay]

those that sim highest

[near valley]

I dig the litmus test of whether u can avoid mechanics with the seeds

[blazing jewel]

It’s beautiful

[royal lantern]

i dont dig that all the brainlets instantly pick them up and then wipe us

[near valley]

Yeah it's something that had to be stressed

[royal lantern]

if warrior or dh or hunter

[near valley]

No BM hunter should pick up the seeds

[royal lantern]

no seeds

[near valley]

[dusty trellis]

hmmmmm

[slim hamlet]

hmm

[wise socket]

anyone else having trouple seeing the branch trinket orbs in raid?

[slim hamlet]

multi spec in retail

[dusty trellis]

nah just checked

[blazing jewel]

That’s the bad trinket

[dusty trellis]

its trinket

[slim hamlet]

yep

[dusty trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-boy-cowboy-gotcha-finger-guns-gif-17948078

[near valley]

This kid

Fuck me a blast from the past

[dusty trellis]

he got moves

[near valley]

Kid got to sing during coachella

I hated the song

[meager granite]

I have hard time actually seeing the trinket drop !

[near valley]

Admired the hustle

[balmy condor]

powerful opener

[slim hamlet]

I was lookingat it too

1 whole second too late

[safe wigeon]

after 3 days

[slim hamlet]

grey parse for sure

[grim jay]

we got 3 day 1

gz

[indigo mulch]

I havent got a single one yet.

[grim jay]

I'm currently getting gatekept by 1 rio from 4p

and the boys arent on

[indigo mulch]

[whole mantle]

Are you guys using Dragon-temperade blades for m+?

[grim jay]

we are using the builds in #assassination-faq

[whole mantle]

or arterial shock is better?

[indigo mulch]

Have you guys been thrown out of stealth a lot in m+ btw?

[slim hamlet]

nop

not a single time actually

[indigo mulch]

I keep getting thrown out of stealth randomly when i play with augs o.O

[grim jay]

sometimes yeah, its weird

[slim hamlet]

their legendary can throw u out

I believe

[lofty junco]

sounds like a redditor moment

[royal lantern]

nah, redditors would complain about night elves or hunter beeing weak all the time or shit like that

[lilac hedge]

Guys im looking to bloodmallet for trinket and i already have the ashes in HC, but the branch is way better are we looking to play 2 usable trinket or one passif with the branch or ashes ?

[slim hamlet]

It's crazy that 50% of wowhead commenters are hunters

How come it's one class being so prevelant in being cringe

[faint path]

Did u guys see the hotfixes about assas?

[slim hamlet]

only one on use

[royal lantern]

cus wow is like, 40%hunters, 40% ret paladins and 40% druids

[dusty trellis]

120 hmmm

https://tenor.com/view/meonly-gif-19710542

[indigo mulch]

Why do hunters even complain, BM is so overpowered right now its stupid.

lmao

[haughty flicker]

not wrong though

[lilac hedge]

Aight thx u

[slim hamlet]

They got a buff btw and 90% of them still think it's a huge nerf

💀

[indigo mulch]

ikr

[oak tangle]

this is my guide to using witherbark

[faint path]

That fix?

[indigo mulch]

That fix does nothing. Move on.

😄

[near valley]

Scaling with weapon damage now

Obviously a nerf

[slim hamlet]

was a bug now it's fixed

[near valley]

[slim hamlet]

[dusty trellis]

[grim jay]

they said its a nerf up until a certain weapon ilvl

like 480

iirc

[slim hamlet]

yep

then neutral

and 483+ it's a buff

[haughty flicker]

i mean i get why it feels bad

[royal lantern]

mate, gimme a sec

[haughty flicker]

but bm is definitely not in a bad spot suddenly

[slim hamlet]

I dont

Why would it feel bad to get a buff

[indigo mulch]

To be fair, assassination is doing really well aswell we can't complain

[slim hamlet]

End of dungeon loot can make it a buff

u dont even need to get a vault item

[royal lantern]

@slim hamlet Over the history of wow, hunters are statistically one of the worst performing dps classes, even with 3 dps specs. Look at survival and mm on this chart...

Ironically, shadow priests who always whine are consistently at the top.

Not to mention that BM is topping here due to aug interaction with pets.

[haughty flicker]

imagine blasting on raid night then learning it was just because of a bug

[royal lantern]

real comment somebody wrote

about hunter

[indigo mulch]

I only complain cause we have 2 bm hunters, 2 preists and 2 augs. So im not getting either pi or aug so i can't really compete with the top rogues 😦

[royal lantern]

and balance

[slim hamlet]

sure?

[grim jay]

I actually snacked our hunters

[indigo mulch]

They fixed the BM hook tho didnt they?

[dark token]

Why are you not getting PI over hunter

[slim hamlet]

not getting PI is simply a priest issue

[indigo mulch]

cuz our raid leader is like "but look at the numbers"

[slim hamlet]

yes which says sin is better?

wat

[haughty flicker]

what numbers is he looking at

lmao

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[indigo mulch]

The hunter that does 250k dps on with aug on details.

DETAILS

DETAILS DONT LIE BRUVH

[haughty flicker]

maybe the hunters are just better than you

[slim hamlet]

Wait

[haughty flicker]

then i could see giving them pi

[slim hamlet]

your bm is doing more than u?

[indigo mulch]

Yep 😦

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/gg-good-game-gif-21460074

[indigo mulch]

Why are you guys supprised, i can't keep up with a hunter that's getting pi'ed and has an aug 😄

[junior aurora]

do u not have the aug too

[indigo mulch]

no

[haughty flicker]

imagine letting augs in your guild

[slim hamlet]

^

[final star]

@dark token

[haughty flicker]

we kicked anyone who even considered rolling to that spec

[final star]

You mf

[willow kite]

Private sheet? Or mind linking?

[slim hamlet]

[dark token]

Shoulda +2

[slim hamlet]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/edit#gid=1711510822

[royal lantern]

aug is so good

all our evokers want to stop playing the game because of it

10/10 spec

[indigo mulch]

Oh no

[haughty flicker]

you can just use bloodmallet for pi anyway

[final star]

We do 21 throne today for sureeee

[junior aurora]

im making the aug in my group reroll deva bc if i get thorns one more time on 2nd boss of waycrest manor and watching him barely be able to break me out im gonna commit neckrope

[dark token]

I'm sitting in +19 fall and everbloom pugs today since I got my 20s

Other rogue in my guild got 2 nick of times

I need to catch up

[grim jay]

because they think pressing different 3 buttons is better?

[final star]

I got hc ashes I don't want balls

Fuck the balls

[indigo mulch]

Dev is actually in a really good spot right now

like they do really good damage

[dry root]

hello Sins! Did I should use Finisher at 4cp or 5+?

[indigo mulch]

but its jus tover shadowed by augs lmao

[royal lantern]

big difference bettwen beeing a normal but braindead dps and a fking simp spec

[willow kite]

BM will just use whatever PI implementation the spec APL has, no? That sheet with differential timings looked interesting.

[dark token]

Link sim

[haughty flicker]

the different timings only matter if you have a spriest

and imagine having an spriest

[final star]

I sim 162k but I still have old 4p

[slim hamlet]

bruh

[dark token]

Same

[slim hamlet]

I sim doggy still

[indigo mulch]

I think i'm at 150kish

but no 2p yet

:C

Dosent help that our raidleader is funnling all the gear to augs and taking it himself as a tank.

[final star]

2p is 8k ya

[indigo mulch]

[junior aurora]

im simming 140k, goes up to 150k insta if i get the stupid branch trinket from everbloom tho lol

[balmy condor]

I'm at like 175

but I haven't m+'d in 2 full days

[junior aurora]

i have like 4 pieces of gear in my bags i can't even equip bc it breaks tier

feelsbad

[faint path]

193k aoe simming I need to get time dagger and shitty branch

[flint tusk]

Didn’t you do 14 hours straight first day?
Sorta deserve that break 😅

[balmy condor]

I had raid for 3 hours in the middle there

[flint tusk]

Ahh even still!

[steel spire]

I'm 173k and only do 140

[haughty flicker]

just stop sucking

[slim hamlet]

Wait I am simming 160k now

pog

[haughty flicker]

rip im only 159k

[sturdy mesa]

I did it 2 runs

[timber iron]

Does the time dagger proc in other dungeons too ?

[haughty flicker]

guess im the one who needs to stop sucking

[balmy condor]

it only drops in the lower version

[slim hamlet]

if u mean the actual dmg of it, it procs everywhere

[timber iron]

Ah good to know thanks

[slim hamlet]

I actually lied I only sim 159.7k

Just rounded it up

[sturdy mesa]

How dare you lie

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-sure-catbruh-gif-21408636

[sturdy mesa]

Ye was 11.6k for me at 483 over bacon

[royal lantern]

tbf

[indigo mulch]

I got the normal version of ashes its actually pretty good 😮

[royal lantern]

beacon is not good for assa lol

[balmy condor]

Well bacons a shit trinket so yeh

[sturdy mesa]

Didnt have anything else went from sub to assa

[balmy condor]

[junior aurora]

im still using dragonfire bombs lol

[rotund oak]

there isnt any significant diff between garrote=>ambush=>rupture and gar=>snd=>ambush=>rupture aight?

[junior aurora]

even m0 irideus fragment sims better

[rotund oak]

for the opener

[sturdy mesa]

Hopefully brand drops from hc smolderon

[balmy condor]

First is like 150-200 dps better than the second

[rotund oak]

thx

also the coping in the outlaw channel 🤣

u got a big W

[oak tangle]

it's not that colour because i read them

[rotund oak]

ye thats weakness

[slim hamlet]

It is that colour because I read them

[junior aurora]

bis colors

[pseudo hamlet]

What's Embellishments are the most versatile? I mean I'd like to have one set for either Raiding and M+

Toxic + Decay?

[junior aurora]

toxic decay is good on all specs

embellishments nerfed now so minimal difference anyway

[pseudo hamlet]

What about Slimy Expulsion Boots? Wouldn't they be better for M+ and still great for raiding?

[balmy condor]

Slimy dogshit everywhere

Losing haste sucks ass

Slimy is like toxic, but you lose 400 haste for no reason

Great boots

[pseudo hamlet]

Okie dokie! So Toxic + Decay it is!

[jovial verge]

Having finished my raiding week have to say it’s unbelievable how much more engaging/fun Sin is to play compared to last patch

[royal lantern]

idk man

[jovial verge]

It definitely does take some getting used too - at least for me - coming to terms with how important your burst windows are for your overall DPS. I keep griefing then by focusing on fights too much hah

[royal lantern]

how many ride the "big number" high rn

and how many think its actuay good

[junior aurora]

are you a new sin hater tryan

[royal lantern]

"new"

nah, im just on the "its allright tok negative" side with it

[jovial verge]

It could be that for sure! I love Kingsbane and always have so it being back is quite exciting for me

[royal lantern]

waaaaaaay too much dmg in KB

[oak tangle]

being able to paly in keys without feeling like im inting, or actually inting without mega mind concentration level shit is nice

[slim hamlet]

I'm just happy we play KB again + pooling is crisp

[royal lantern]

man

what pooling in raids

[indigo mulch]

Honestly, i'm not a huge fan of kb tbh 😄

[royal lantern]

im perma full energy

[slim hamlet]

I am not

[odd notch]

Can anyone recommend a wa suite?

[slim hamlet]

!wa

[junior aurora]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[jovial verge]

I had some issues with feeling energy starved as well

[junior aurora]

idk i never felt starved in raid

[jovial verge]

especially on Larry when some of the add waves spawned

[indigo mulch]

If your energy starved your not pooling correctly though D;

[royal lantern]

yeha like

[slim hamlet]

"energy starved" doesn't exist

[royal lantern]

im using tea too not cap lol

[slim hamlet]

It's made up by outlaw players on sin

[proper forum]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[torn peak]

tfw you figure out spec and actually use caustic spatter then pump on keys in both aoe and st

[junior aurora]

i think it'll feel more starved once you get t31 and chain envenoms though

[royal lantern]

you allready play like that

[jovial verge]

Yeah starved was probably too strong of a term - finding myself pooling in spots where I probably should have adjusted for that’s fights timings. Is more what I meant

[junior aurora]

true

[indigo mulch]

I mean.. i feel like im swimming in energy. If i'm ever in a rough case i'll just pop tea and its fine.

:S

[oak tangle]

i just wanna know how peeps are keeping the envenom train going and refresh rupture

[indigo mulch]

You do it until you cant

then you pool energy for 13s

😄

[royal lantern]

its not often that it breaks for me when refreshing tbh

[haughty flicker]

its easier if you finish on 5-6 before refreshing instead of on 4

[junior aurora]

yeah you should be able to fit a rupture into an envenom chain

[oak tangle]

are you making a play for 6 cp envenom when you know you need to rup?

[slim hamlet]

it only breaks it if I end envenom on 4cp and get unlucky with cp for the rup

[haughty flicker]

yeah pretty much

[languid glade]

whats the pandemic range for rupture refresh?

[oak tangle]

depends on cp, but like 8ish?

[slim hamlet]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[languid glade]

whats usually safe range for rupture? or is there wa that tracks the range?

[torn peak]

what if im energy starving during cd

also is it bad to use thistle tea

outside of kb window

since it has 3 charges i should just keep 1 for kb right?

[slim hamlet]

They recharge every 1 min?

[haughty flicker]

As long as you have a charge for last 6 seconds of kb and don’t waste the energy it doesn’t really matter

[slim hamlet]

U should be pooling before CDs

[indigo mulch]

Whispyr has an entire video dedicated to pooling.

[junior aurora]

yeah you should be around 80% energy before going into cds

[torn peak]

but i mutilate alot during aoe for caustic

[oak tangle]

why alot

[torn peak]

to make sure all targets cleaving

doesnt that multiply damage

[oak tangle]

wot

[torn peak]

[oak tangle]

no

[slim hamlet]

Gotta read the talent again

[haughty flicker]

Caustic is on your main target you don’t spread it

[oak tangle]

limit:1

[indigo mulch]

you only mut 1 target

[torn peak]

oh

[indigo mulch]

it works just like bladeflurry but instead of it coming from you, it comes from the target you have caustic on

so put caustic on 1 target then you just blow that target up and all your dmg cleaves around that target

[oak tangle]

anyone know of good plater profile that highlights good kb target mobs

[torn peak]

okay

how do i make my rupture/garrote glow when they about to run off on target?

on plater

[indigo mulch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[slim hamlet]

https://wago.io/Ru_9FLVjI

[indigo mulch]

use cevs or whisyprs

[slim hamlet]

One of my guildies linked that

[oak tangle]

noice ty ty

[slim hamlet]

Haven't tried myself

[haughty flicker]

That’s interesting actually

[indigo mulch]

Whisyprs has priority on it.

or rather, pink = casters blue = lots of health etc and when it turns green you have caustic on that one.

and when it starts discoing you have KB on it.

[slim hamlet]

99% sure the blue from quazii's = frontals

or the like

Was with all his old ones at least

[indigo mulch]

Yep

Whisypr implemented quazii's color scheme for plater into his plater.

Very useful if your unsure about stuffs

😄

[visual stratus]

I've seen one guide saying to use rupture as first finisher in Kingsbane window, and one guide prioritizing just envenoming. What would you say is correct?

[oak tangle]

did you rupture prior to it with full cp

[balmy condor]

Wowhead guide has a paragraph explaining the difference

[visual stratus]

Yes you rupture in opener to utilize Nightstalker no?

[oak tangle]

if you open with a full cp rupture, you won't need to rupture in dance/kb

[visual stratus]

Alright, ty

[empty hinge]

is this fix a decent dps upgrade

or not really

[junior aurora]

what fix

[peak lake]

Hey guys, how do you deal with 1mn kb, is that ok to refresh rupture first and loose 1-2 sec of envenom uptime ?

[junior aurora]

the most recent hotfix?

[peak lake]

for the snapshot

[slim hamlet]

why not both?

[empty hinge]

the last pin king

[oak tangle]

this is where the nuance and mastery of the spec comes into play

[slim hamlet]

I mean it says in the pin what it is

It's a hotfix that nerfs us in very niche situations

[peak lake]

atm im doing something like this at 1mn : envenom max cp - shiv - kb - garrot - rupture - spam envenom, but i sometimes loose 1 sec of envenom uptime between the pre-envenom and the first in the kb

[slim hamlet]

Then just don't do rupture before envenom

[junior aurora]

yeah most recent pin is just a hotfix that makes you not do beaucoup damage with sanguine blades during like 2-3 bosses

[bleak ivy]

bro aassa 4p seems good af

[peak lake]

better to do shiv - kb - garot - envenom - mut mut - rupture ?

i guess ye im dumb

[indigo mulch]

I wish i could even get 2p D:

[peak lake]

sd is more than 3 sec

[jovial verge]

You can drop the rupture entirely if you want

[slim hamlet]

I made 2pc with catalyst yesterday

worth

[queen zinc]

Hey big noob question here (as in just lvling a rogue alt) I can't get Shrouded Suffocation to generate the correct amount of combo points. Am I being very stupid or something? Garrote still only gives 1 combo point when used from stealth with this talent

[visual stratus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[peak lake]

snapshotting rupture isnt worth at 1mn ?

[jovial verge]

It’s very very slightly better per Whispyr

[junior aurora]

there's a paragraph on wowhead

its basically equal

[slim hamlet]

Yea not rly worth if its not in pandemic anyways

[torn peak]

anyone having problems with weakauras after patch? i cant see any of my auras but when i try to import it says theres already one added

[slim hamlet]

Sounds weird, only guess is are u sure u have shrouded suffocation and not just improved garrote?

[balmy condor]

Do you have improved garrote talented

[cosmic rivet]

does the order you apply poisons matter when you run DTB?

[balmy condor]

Dtb is a global reduction

Completely irrelevant to your poisons

[queen zinc]

I don't have imp garrote talented, no. just shrouded suffocation

[balmy condor]

Yeh then shrouded won’t work

[cosmic rivet]

okay, unrelated to that then, when you have multiple lethal poisons, does the order you apply them matter?

[slim hamlet]

Isn't that the same question

[balmy condor]

Bit of a bug because of how they’re coded but shrouded hooks into improved garrote, no improved garrote means no shrouded

shouldn’t really ever matter

[queen zinc]

yep that 100% worked ty so much!

[balmy condor]

Since you’d take both

But yeh

Weird stuff

[peak lake]

In which situation bone spike become better ? On council it feel great

[balmy condor]

When it sims higher

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/noway-gif-254273188714127328

[balmy condor]

You can play it on council

That would be basically the only case

I played it on igira

Was okay

[slim hamlet]

Man I love SBS

[balmy condor]

But like, not necessary at all

[slim hamlet]

Feels good to click something when downtime still

[peak lake]

i played it on the first 6 hm to see, but was meh exept on council

[balmy condor]

Generally if it’s not already better in single target for you, play it on council and otherwise don’t bother

[clever sapphire]

i didnt even sim compare, i just took it as a chance to finally play bonespike

[balmy condor]

Fair enough

[clever sapphire]

probably wont take it on snake boss though

cause that shit is annoying

[balmy condor]

Ye

[clever sapphire]

3 years until i get the cp

[quick idol]

Anygood WA to pop when out of melee range plz 🙂 ?

[oak tangle]

idk about a weak aura, but your spells will be grey

[slim hamlet]

huh

[indigo mulch]

You can just make a weakaura that pops up when your 5y away from your target or w/e

[slim hamlet]

They aren't baseline

[quick idol]

In the chaos sometime i miss the fact my spells are grey

[grand trail]

real nightmare

[slim hamlet]

I got that too

[haughty flicker]

egg

[oak tangle]

they aren't? lol, must be an elvui tihng

[slim hamlet]

all I got

ye

[royal lantern]

sims higher then echo trinket for me

[slim hamlet]

baseline the keybind font just goes red

[haughty flicker]

im still using the fucking azzinoth trinket

unlucky

[peak lake]

got the brh trinket from the big boss on 470, that's the only trinket i got on 25 dj, and the bomb at 420 ilevel sim higher 😄

[indigo mulch]

[slim hamlet]

Simming tier to just see what it could've been

I know the feel

[indigo mulch]

Ikr?

😦

Stupid augwokers stealing all my tier pieces

[oak tangle]

i still have 2 blue items equipped

😦

[haughty flicker]

lol

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

That's wild

[indigo mulch]

I like how one officer in our guild didn't bother gearing himself before the tier got released

so now hes taking all the cloth gear from everyone cause "its a bigger upgrade for me"

[fallen forum]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[indigo mulch]

😄

[haughty flicker]

no offense but your guild sounds like ass

[oak tangle]

damn, im an officer in my guild, good idea

[feral mason]

got 2p but forgor that I havr patch on helmet

barely an upgrade now

[earnest remnant]

Rogue should be hard prio for tier

it does obscene dmg in raid

[indigo mulch]

You would be correct.

[haughty flicker]

have to have zenith tier drop to even prio

[slim hamlet]

Can u DM my officers that?

[haughty flicker]

think we had one piece drop at all lmao

[oak tangle]

i should spend less time talking here and doing more keys

[clever sapphire]

we hard priod rogue on tier, it went to the outlaw that still didnt equip his 2pc cause its not an upgrade

[neat plank]

Fucker

[arctic hare]

somehow I ended up getting 2 piece

which is convenient

[indigo mulch]

I don't think i'll be getting any tier pieces until next week.

[earnest remnant]

4set enjoyer

[arctic hare]

hows it feel?

[junior aurora]

i just need a tier piece in vault and ill have 4p on tuesday

[flint tusk]

1set enjoyer…

[indigo mulch]

I suspect our augvokers getting 4p then our monk tank is getting the rest cause hes the raidleader

then i get whatever is left 😄

[arctic hare]

I mean, honestly, tanks getting tier pieces is actually a huge benefit tho

[slim hamlet]

our raid leader barely gives anything to himself

[arctic hare]

same for healers.

[feral mason]

just leave if its that bad

xdd

[haughty flicker]

get tier from vault, piece from 2k, and catalyse one next week

[arctic hare]

Oh yeah, just wondering, any sin rogues in RWF?

[haughty flicker]

then call your rl a dumbass if he doesnt give you 4pc

[junior aurora]

yep

[arctic hare]

I assume so, but doesn't hurt to ask

[junior aurora]

just need a single tier token before then

to get 4p

[slim hamlet]

Trust me u can easily find guild if u are a good sin rogue right now

[indigo mulch]

I suspect there will be atleast 1 or two sin rogues

Yeah, but honestly i'm not to bothered. I'll get my pieces. Gear is just gear.

[feral mason]

yeah i got 4p guaranteed next week prerry much

[arctic hare]

Somehow, my current raid team only has one sin rogue

[indigo mulch]

Its abit annoying but ah well

[feral mason]

so many tokens

[arctic hare]

the other one disappeared, and the third plays sub

[earnest remnant]

we are getting there, just need the last few m+ upgrades available this week

[haughty flicker]

my guild only has one rogue period

[arctic hare]

Hell yeah brother

[feral mason]

got like 8 trialists in hc that dont get tier this week yet

[arctic hare]

I'm locked on ilvl it feels like cause of my 424 wrists

sadness.

[feral mason]

so more loot for me

[arctic hare]

I was thinking of moving it to my belt, not sure though.

[torn peak]

i got rupture/ct pandemic timer but couldnt find script for garrote. and im happy with my current plater

does anyone have glow for garrote when its about to run up?

[clever sapphire]

wa or plater

'wa

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[clever sapphire]

just steal one from whispyr

[torn peak]

plater

[clever sapphire]

he has it on both

[arctic hare]

Whispyr's plater does well

[flint tusk]

Instant dollar

[arctic hare]

I love it honestly

[arctic hare]

damnnnnnnn bro

[slim hamlet]

They are gaming

so hard

it's wild

[arctic hare]

What a scuffed raid team ahahahaha

And yet, its so fucking perfect.

[flint tusk]

It really is. Not unsurprising though.

[arctic hare]

Seems like everything is meant to boost sin or havoc

then the rest is to help ranged. interesting

Obviously you gotta have the best healers, duh

[haughty flicker]

im rooting for id to get 8/9 before liquid and echo even enter the raid

[arctic hare]

Hmm, what is taking them so long anyways?

[flint tusk]

Honestly that would make it proper interesting

[haughty flicker]

splits

[slim hamlet]

I dont think they can do smolderon with this gear

[vernal tusk]

is there a macro for Abmush and mutilate on same hotkey for procs jsut like the on for outlaw ?

[flint tusk]

They’re gear farming. But they’ll probably one tap bosses

[arctic hare]

Ahhh, get as geared as humanly possible and then fuck EVERYTHING up

[haughty flicker]

they strongly believe that the gear is more important then going into mythic early

[arctic hare]

Considering they win nearly every time

seems like they're correct 😂

[haughty flicker]

like i think max said there was literally no situation where they end splits early bc of another guild

[flint tusk]

I don’t think they’ve had people this high up before though.

[haughty flicker]

unless echo went in early

[arctic hare]

So basically, echo and liquid are the two rivals in RWF at this point in time

well, really ever lmao

[haughty flicker]

have been for a long time

[junior aurora]

liquid is probably gonna go into mythic tomorrow morning and get to smolderon by lunch

[arctic hare]

God, when WAS the last time a nonliquid/echo guild didn't win RWF?

[spark patrol]

Hey guys do you know what is the best buff from Cruel Dreamcarver for assa?

[arctic hare]

Honestly, probably lol

[flint tusk]

Beast

[junior aurora]

pieces won the mini raid in BFA but idk if that counts

[spark patrol]

ty

[arctic hare]

that raid was

interesting

I never did it tho

[haughty flicker]

i dont think limit/liquid was even participating in that race were they

[arctic hare]

I heard it was difficult as ALL hell though.

[junior aurora]

nah thats why i said i dont think it counts

[arctic hare]

Weren't they getting ready for the next true RWF?

[junior aurora]

method had just disbanded too basically bc of the whole josh thing

or maybe that was a tier later

[arctic hare]

Oh righttttttt

Wait, josh?

God, I don't even remember him

[junior aurora]

for the best

[arctic hare]

True

Still, SINS ON TOP AND IT FEELS GREAT

[flint tusk]

I’m just wondering if blizzard will try to stop splits being a thing.

[limber lion]

Well technically Method won EP

[arctic hare]

EP?

Oh, shit, eternal palace

[limber lion]

Eternal Palace

[arctic hare]

that was AGES ago lmao

[limber lion]

And all the other raids prior to that

[arctic hare]

At least what with covid it does.

But after EP, they broke up correct?

[limber lion]

But old Method is basically Echo now

Yes

[junior aurora]

method is also basically echo though

[arctic hare]

Ahhh, okay

[junior aurora]

they just kicked sco out

[flint tusk]

Based

[arctic hare]

I wonder how much money they actually make.

[junior aurora]

you gotta go back to legion i think

[arctic hare]

I feel like it probably isn't all that much.

[junior aurora]

for a non echo/liquid wf

[flint tusk]

Gotta be a decent amount.
In wow terms at least.
Lot of people to feed and house for possibly a few weeks.

[arctic hare]

True

[haughty flicker]

thats mostly from sponsors though, i dont think the raiders really make much

liquid splits money from max's stream i know

[limber lion]

Liquid and Echo are the only ones who get paid decent sums

Liquid players have salaries

[arctic hare]

Cause they win all the time I'm sure

DAMN, really?

[limber lion]

Method players get scraps

Everyone else gets nothing

[junior aurora]

i mean i doubt liquid player salaries are esports tier

[arctic hare]

As of Nov 8, 2023, the average annual pay for a Liquid in the United States is $71,671 a year.

[flint tusk]

Sounds about right

[limber lion]

The ones making good bucks are the big streamers

[arctic hare]

honestly, thats not terrible.

[rancid meadow]

!GUIDE