assassination

[lucid cradle]

I peaked at 93k and avg 70k on dummies lol

[vapid skiff]

sim wise its just scuffed i think

[lyric wind]

think sin struggles with talents in aoe and ST unlike outlaw

[heady drum]

peaked at 93? in opener?

[vapid skiff]

but it scales crazily with every buff

[lucid cradle]

yea

[heady drum]

are you 415 ilvl?

[lucid cradle]

93k opener

444

I can hit 200k in outlaw

[heady drum]

youre doing something very wrong

[vapid skiff]

you are messing up your opener for sure

[lucid cradle]

Im hoping im fucking something up hard

[heady drum]

you are

no doubt

[vapid skiff]

its very specific things needed

that might feel small

[balmy condor]

those have been live for a bit now

[vapid skiff]

follow the whispyr guide for opener in wowhead or check out his videos imo

[lucid cradle]

Word

[vapid skiff]

and get the kingsbane timeline weakaura

https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9/7

[ashen sun]

think around 6pm est? Jw if it was active during my dungeons i ran around that time

[balmy condor]

since like 10am est

[tough whale]

Real fast what does this pooling practice tool do

[balmy condor]

it's a tool to help you practice pooling

[lucid cradle]

thanks

[solid latch]

how do you turn on dynamic details ?

[tough whale]

well oop. Let me blast it in a dummy and have it not enable during outlaw

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[drifting cloud]

can I get a source on that

[balmy condor]

me

I'm the source

[balmy dome]

Do you guy think the better plan is to gear for sin or OL at this point with 4pc coming in?

[tough whale]

Sin

[short sandal]

what do i do during the gauntlet of throne?

[tough whale]

focus on big add, mini adds will perma spawn

[earnest remnant]

Can confirm LE is goated

fr

[sweet path]

do we need to line up shadow dance with kingsbane in AOE or could we just use SD for IC proc?

[heady drum]

kingsbane + spatter is insane aoe

i would recommend to keep lining shit up

[sweet path]

yea im still figuring out how does spatter works , sometimes it does giga damage in one pull

[heady drum]

most likely due to kingsbane

[white fox]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[autumn frost]

man i'm feeling so stressed by our rotation.

[heady drum]

just get garrotes and ruptures up and then just do st rota on the biggest guy = gg

[zenith cradle]

Is the hotfix a huge nerf or nah?

[oak tangle]

zero impact if you aren't on a damage amp target

[strange python]

got a link?

[lucid rain]

anyone got a weakaura that yells at ranged player to bait arcane spheres in everbloom?

[oak tangle]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/news/us/hotfixes-november-16-2023-24030413

[strange python]

oh it fixes like what, last boss in everbloom, for example?

[oak tangle]

ye

[lethal mortar]

its annywhere from a 1% to 100% nerf

its literally over

[lucid cradle]

Its alot better now lol

[fallow acorn]

sky is falling

[lucid cradle]

finished 103 on Fyrak fucked up rotation but looks way better

[slate crown]

!details

[prisma monolith]

To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1173432355785027584/details_vanish.png

[balmy condor]

hotfix

this only matters for like end boss everbloom, gnarlroot vulnerability, etc. No change otherwise. Specifically in that window on gnarlroot for example it's around a 5-6% nerf in that timeframe. Overall impact is near 0

[solid latch]

tyty

[potent dawn]

When you are the only rogue in the raid and 2 of these drop on the boss

[tropic tundra]

How big is caustic splatter radius? Feels pretty big but can it do damage in like igira?

[potent dawn]

and both have speed

[wanton path]

we made it

[tropic tundra]

Cheers

[ebon temple]

does anyone have a macro for shadow dance and kingsbane?

[earnest remnant]

#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Kingsbane

[keen spruce]

[ebon temple]

ah ty

[keen spruce]

now i would like to raid

so i can get some fking tier

[wild beacon]

i tried that actually it didn't seem to work

[wispy hazel]

it was only a 9 but shock is fun

[gusty mirage]

should've just gotten aotc

[gusty mirage]

just get it 5head

[vapid sierra]

already?

do you guys touch grass

[gusty mirage]

wdym already

[slate crown]

Yeah of course

how else do you think you get dream wardens rep?

[gusty mirage]

buddy

[sick smelt]

the play is to macro elemental power pot with deathmark, yea? I heard someone say envenom once, but wouldnt it line up better with one of the bigger burst ones so you dont drink it while chaining envenoms?

[slate crown]

I touched SO much grass

[gusty mirage]

idk what to tell you

[vapid sierra]

4pc allready

[gusty mirage]

plus why'd you wander out of outlaw land

[vapid sierra]

and ksm

[gusty mirage]

I don't have ksm

wtf

[vapid sierra]

ik

but smeeps does

shmeeps

[gusty mirage]

all I'm seeing here

is mad cuz bad

[vapid sierra]

💀

[keen spruce]

we don't reaid till wekend

weekend

[vapid sierra]

dude im loving sin

[keen spruce]

then i get tier

[vapid sierra]

i just like outlaw more

[brittle cloud]

Is there math on when to use ashes in our opener?

[gusty mirage]

I'mma be there watching, cheering you on

[gusty mirage]

with deathmark

all on use trinkets with your cooldowns

[slate crown]

You should be using your potion with deathmark. You can do so with a macro on deathmark if that works for you. You should not do it with envenoms though. I just have a separate bind for potion but if you're going to macro it, with Deathmark

[rustic minnow]

Whats this sanguine blade fix with vulnerability? Wtf is that

[mighty elm]

check the pins.

[vapid sierra]

im gonna miss raiding mythic this tier it seems better than aberrus and voti

[brittle cloud]

Ok cool thanks

[sick smelt]

sick sick, thats what I was thinking but wanted to double check, tyvm

[earnest remnant]

if he thinks you guys degened then wtf have i done xD

[heady drum]

what m+ build have you guys been running

[keen spruce]

how many pulls for H fyrakk?

[gusty mirage]

he hates us cause he aint us

btw ashes w/ KB

is fucking disgusting

[earnest remnant]

yep

[slate crown]

However many, now it's more.

[earnest remnant]

ive got 2 first mythic vods for you oxi

[earnest remnant]

imma be real, that shouldnt affect it alot

[gusty mirage]

like 4 or 5

[rotund crescent]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gusty mirage]

that last pull fucking hurt

[keen spruce]

ayo wtf

[gusty mirage]

was that hotfix live?

[slate crown]

Ah ok, I have no idea

[keen spruce]

[earnest remnant]

should be on live now

[slate crown]

I'm only like 3/9 Heroic from a pug

[earnest remnant]

but its just lines + pulse dmg while he is in big angy chicken mode

[gusty mirage]

I got betrayed by darkness

it hid a swirly and I died (:

[earnest remnant]

but yeah ive got gnarlroot and igira uploaded

spatter goes brrrrt

[gusty mirage]

spatter goes burrr on tswift too

lol

[keen spruce]

i want to raid

we cancelled all of our optional ones this week

mid week

cuz tier wasn't dropping correctly

I have to wait 2 more days

[gusty mirage]

yeah we had a 30 man raid on day 2

and the boss dropped one tier token

[keen spruce]

we had 24 on 2 bosses

and it dropped 0

ig i could catalyze a hero piece and turn in this token of mastery

:but i should wait until after raid

[drifting cloud]

did you have saved people or what shmeps

[keen spruce]

no

[onyx rain]

is timing of using Ashes of embersoul important other than lining up with DM & KB?

like sequence doesnt matter right

[keen spruce]

just bugged and/or blizzard changed something and didn't tell anyone

needed 25 people to guarantee one piece of tier now

[drifting cloud]

thats not a thing

its nerfed, but not to that

[keen spruce]

we confirmed it

[vernal mauve]

What should we use the first spark towards?

[keen spruce]

with like 3 other guilds

that they were experiencing the same thing

[slate crown]

I made plant booties

[vernal mauve]

the toxis thorns?

[drifting cloud]

not sure what to tell you, unless it was bugged

[tropic tundra]

Yep

[drifting cloud]

but thats not the intended number

[tropic tundra]

Meanwhile me coming from sub with the slimy and -haste

[keen spruce]

[slate crown]

Yes

[drifting cloud]

yeah I get that but just weird I literally didnt hear anyone else mention this

thats why I asked if you had saved people

[native meteor]

is there an assassination intro thing for dummies?

like into for big dummies

[slate crown]

Did you check the wowhead guide already?

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[native meteor]

i'm not great at just reading a guide and learning, i'm a much better visual learner, like a video

[oak tangle]

https://www.youtube.com/@whispyr5793/videos

[blazing jewel]

IM JUMPING OFF A CLIFF

[slate crown]

Lucky day the guide writer also has a youtube channel

[blazing jewel]

I KILLED VOLCOROS WITH SPATTER on

[slate crown]

You should go there and not follow Scana

[soft shale]

you cleaved the f out of those critters

[mighty elm]

https://tenor.com/view/mayweather-for-you-throw-gif-8082067

[soft shale]

near the lava

[native meteor]

tyty, i will check these out

[agile geode]

Sin strong in m+? Is this a Dream?

[steel spire]

Welcome back brother

[languid ferry]

is there still an assa specific Spreadsheet by Whispyr on top of the Fuu one?

[slate crown]

How high did you have to go on each dungeon to get there?

[keen spruce]

so like the lowest you can get for a timed 20

is 250 score

but normally it's more like 255-259

so it kind of works out to like

half 19s half 20s

[slate crown]

Ah ok

[keen spruce]

like these are over time

the X

[slate crown]

Makes sense, thanks

I haven't done throne yet, I hear it's a pia

[keen spruce]

I don't really mind it

tbh

except the 4th boss and the 2 eles before him

in the gauntlet

[vapid sierra]

bro every fucvking guild raids till like 12am est or later

why is this shit so hard

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

[spark scaffold]

quick question, would it be possible to sim witherbark in a more suboptimal way?

[brazen zodiac]

@gusty mirage

[urban garnet]

guys any know talents for raid?

[balmy condor]

yes, picking them all up at once is -0.4%

[brazen zodiac]

please send help

i am scared

[balmy condor]

anything between 1/1/4 and 1/1/8 is equal

so as long as you can pick up the first two

and just let the third hit you

you're good to go

[spark scaffold]

alright, what if you just press it and stay still?

say you're in volcoross enrage and you have no room to move

[balmy condor]

-0.4%

[drifting cloud]

[spark scaffold]

because i can imagine anything between 1/1/4 and 1/1/8 is equal due to kingsbane ending 16 seconds into deathmark

so you only care about having the 3 stacks in the last 10 seconds of that

[drifting cedar]

Guys I got the everbloom trinket, do you think the smolderon trinket is better? I'm worried that if I don't kite properly I'll be useless (470 everbloom trinket vs heroic smolderon trinket)

[spark scaffold]

read literally 10 lines up

[karmic crypt]

is ass actually op right now?

or is this just pre tier op?

[balmy condor]

yeah and in your situation, you're still getting the end of kingsbane, but you're missing the start

so it's kinda whatever

[spark scaffold]

yep, i agree, it's nice to get confirmation though

out of curiosity, why do you think assa is overperforming right now?

[deft vault]

pi/augvoker

[random atlas]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spark scaffold]

i get that part but i have guildies simming 20-25k more ST dps and having way less damage on volcoross for example

[deft vault]

thats a player diff

[spark scaffold]

(i am not in a bad guild and they are perfectly capable of doing their sim dps)

[deft vault]

theyre pressing buttons wrong

[spark scaffold]

assume for the sake of the argument that they are pressing their buttons correctly

[quaint carbon]

skill issue

[deft vault]

then theyd be 20-25k ahead lol

[bold temple]

got a champion nick of time on my 2nd run

[spark scaffold]

i am doing above my sim dps though

[deft vault]

you getting PI?

[spark scaffold]

yes, and i also sim with PI

[balmy condor]

it's not

it's performing on par

[spark scaffold]

so, you think there is nothing wrong / bugged with the simms / APL atm right?

[balmy condor]

correct

[lucid silo]

is caustic splatter capped?

[spark scaffold]

remember, i'm just asking for your opinion, not a definitive answer

[balmy condor]

read the ability

[lucid silo]

you right

[spark scaffold]

ok, then my next question is, could there be some ability that we have that doesn't give damage benefit for evoker

[lucid silo]

sin is sick good in raid

[spark scaffold]

i know about sanguine blades, but that seems very minor

[balmy condor]

aug is working fine aside from sanguine

[warped dock]

to be clear, wafting devotion is better than sophic devotion for weapon enchants?

[balmy condor]

sim it

[drifting cloud]

sim your guy

[runic hinge]

Sim yourself

[warped dock]

message received 🙂

[rain cairn]

Reading these recent messages is making me giggle

[spark scaffold]

hey i just don't want to bait my guild by getting gear funneled and then turns out somethings wrong with warcraftlogs or we have some bugged ability and that's why it looks so good

i trust whispyr so i ask

[candid goblet]

ready to rip Mythic Gnarlroot a new one

[balmy condor]

yeah definitely

[cinder tartan]

do you guys macro shadow dance and kingsbane? is that a good idea?

[balmy condor]

I've had multiple people comb over logs and compare and check implementations and all of that

and every time it's just "yeh that's rng he crit all his kingsbanes" or "yeah he got extra cp from seal fate"

but the damage dealt by ability on average and the cast amount on average

matches one to one to people testing and playing the game

[spark scaffold]

to be honest i've even noticed a bit of lowroll on kingsbane recently

[balmy condor]

not seeing anything APL wise either, plenty of people have been combing over that as well

[spark scaffold]

you'd expect 60%+ crit with 45 baseline and spending half the ticks in MA

[slate crown]

Was there any answer to why Armin (or others) got such a massive KB tick?

[steel spire]

Skill

[slate crown]

I remember that was one that was weird, but didn't see if a conclusion was reached

[spark scaffold]

one thing you can do if you want the biggest blower

is play the old 4 set and time KB to end right after deathmark ends

[balmy condor]

yeh

[slate crown]

Ah right, yeah

[balmy condor]

old 4 set, damage amp on boss

if you get a branch

[spark scaffold]

but that's not dps optimal, its just hur dur i see big numbah

[balmy condor]

it's all multipliers

[slate crown]

Like, wait half a GCD before casting KB after doing DM -> Shiv right?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[candid goblet]

Whispyr sir did the Ashes timing changed since PTR?

[balmy condor]

no

[candid goblet]

what was it 8 secs left on KB?

[balmy condor]

11

[candid goblet]

gotcha

[rain cairn]

I’m 10 runs deep and haven’t seen it yet :’(

[spark scaffold]

look at this witherbark diff

its crazy

(i fucked up here)

[final laurel]

so im leveling assassination

and just unlocked caustic spatter

nvm

[candid goblet]

unlocked aoe pog

you now deal area of effect dmg

[pure bridge]

Anyone else get their raid bricked because Tindral decided to do perma enrage?

[spark scaffold]

👀

[sharp falcon]

hi i just got witherbark branch is it okay to macro with deathmark or will i miss last ticks of kingsbane if i do that

[balmy condor]

macro with dm and then insta collect 2 orbs, wait with the 3rd for a couple sec

[sharp falcon]

refreshes, ok makes sense

i got it in a +7, i think it would be the higher upgrade track if it was +9? oh well =/

[keen stirrup]

how to maximize caustic spatter dmg on sageswift

[split veldt]

whats the best button to smash with caustic

[sharp falcon]

kingsbane

[thorny pond]

have your raid stack

[stiff kernel]

How did assass go from being top with outlaw to being dumpstered by both other specs?

[balmy condor]

[stiff kernel]

or is it cause t31 just isnt in full swing yet

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-fish-this-is-bait-gif-11212449

[balmy condor]

how did assa go from being considered top bis dps op spec to "being dumpstered by both other specs" in the span of an hour

[stiff kernel]

im just assuming its cause T31 isnt in full rotation yet

[spark scaffold]

can't get big dam on gnarlroot anymore

spec is dead

obviously

[drifting cloud]

whatever the site on the right side is

[chilly viper]

is everyone stuck in Tindral

[slate forge]

!daggers

[drifting cloud]

delete it from your browser

[chilly viper]

boss doesn't reset lol

[slate forge]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[stiff kernel]

u.gg they're actually good because they don't just post based on theory they use actual data

[balmy condor]

u.gg

lmao

[drifting cloud]

some good assa data, what is that s1 dmg numbers almost

[balmy condor]

I just threw up in my mouth a little

[final laurel]

its really op

anytime i click envenom i one shot every ad

[bright cipher]

i saw some people having this issue too

[spark scaffold]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JfhrtNkB6px3T8aY#fight=18&type=damage-taken

check this out

so good luck it might take a while

[chilly viper]

is that 25hr or 25 mintues

[spark scaffold]

25 minutes

[chilly viper]

Oh we chillin

[steel spire]

Inject mobafire builds into my veins 💪🏾

[balmy condor]

no more

stop

cease

[steel spire]

[final laurel]

when do i use shiv

[clear plover]

there is a macro where mutilate goes to ambush where there is shadowdance or subterfuge

[balmy condor]

kingsbane

[final laurel]

oh

uh

in leveling content

[balmy condor]

put it on your stealth bar

[balmy condor]

whenever you feel like it

[final laurel]

shuold i click shiv before my dots go out or

before i combo with envenom

[balmy condor]

I mean it's just nature damage

mobs last 10 seconds

who cares

[final laurel]

hmm

true

[brazen zodiac]

👍

[drifting cloud]

damn larodar has a pretty tight enrage

[final laurel]

ty!@

[arctic tusk]

@balmy condor im kind new to sin but is there a different build on fyrakk or slight cleave fights

would you swap internal bleeding to

[balmy condor]

so you do this right

[arctic tusk]

spatter

yea

[balmy condor]

now this

GG you got aoe

[blazing bluff]

Do we want to focus on getting as much mastery as possible, and then balance out crit and haste? or do we choose between haste and crit and go all out on mastery/chosen stat?
I ask because I'm seeing a lot of Sin rogues have wildly different gems and enchants and it's a little confusing

[arctic tusk]

LOL lets gooo

just did heroic on sub rogue

that shit sucks

not actually but cleave is non existent

[spark scaffold]

this has probably been asked before but isn't rupturing during the vanish in the last 3 seconds of KB a small dps gain?

wowhead guide only mentions garrote, is why i'm asking

[balmy condor]

you sim yourself

[drifting cloud]

think he mentioned it in the st video that its super small

[balmy condor]

wowhead guide has a whole ass section explaining this btw

[alpine nebula]

hey all - question on spatter - is this based on the rogue's position as blade flurry or is it based on the target

[balmy condor]

target

[bold temple]

if we want to play multiple specs its prob better ot use sophic right

[balmy condor]

prob

[bold temple]

my sim says -500 when using sophic :3

[neat rain]

Hey guys I'm coming back after the rework went through just did my first raid tonight. When is the best time to weave in my shadow dance? I'm saving vanish for the last 3 seconds of kingsbane and activating death mark on 10s of kingsbane I'm not sure if I'm fucking this up in anyway shape or form but I just feel bloated

[balmy condor]

repeat the opener

every minute

[drifting cloud]

you are fucking it up majorily, read the wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

just without dm/vanish

[neat rain]

Okay so I only use SD when I'm out on everything else gotcha

[strange niche]

is the Indira dagger pretty decent?

[balmy condor]

no, precisely not that

well

now that I read it

I actually don't know what you mean

but just read guide and do opener

good enough lmao

[balmy condor]

igira dagger does no dps

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[drifting cloud]

im gonna ping seli for leech whispyr

[strange niche]

RIP just got a 467 outta heroic, guess the ilvl is worth using

[balmy condor]

can ping seli to lick my sweaty balls

[gusty mirage]

NO NEED

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/flirty-yummy-tasty-gif-19808606

[spice spire]

Not even me

Bro?

[cerulean nest]

do we get another catalyst charge next reset?

or the one after that

[drifting cloud]

after that

[spark scaffold]

my bad, did not see the special notes

[arctic tusk]

does the tier piece matter too much

if its not head

[balmy condor]

Bring George over I got a jar of crunchy peanut butter

[arctic tusk]

i assume less than 1% DIFFERENCE

[spice spire]

Bro?

The fuck

[drifting cloud]

@blazing jewel why you dead

[tawdry flare]

. . . I can't believe I've missed this the past few raid nights. I'm smooth brain

[blazing jewel]

didnt realize how the charge worked tbh

it does raid damage regardless if youre in or out of it

idk I have a migrane and this fight is really fucking annoying

[balmy condor]

We all are yep

[blazing jewel]

died to 230k blossom tick and then 300k thundering impact

[rustic minnow]

Press cloak

[drifting cloud]

what procced the cheat 👀

[spare dust]

is macroing SD with KB a bad idea

[blazing jewel]

I think a poison jav earlier in the fight

[drifting cloud]

oh yeah those are big suck

[solar bramble]

😦 . . . every raid fight has it's own talent build

sigh

[balmy condor]

I mean not really

There’s 3 builds total

And one of them is just council

[solar bramble]

then why not just show 3 builds?

[drifting cloud]

lol

[balmy condor]

??????

Because that’s not the point of the guide

And not the format?

[tawdry flare]

Gotta the guide my doods

[solar bramble]

the guide still shows a talent tree for each individual fight though 😦

[gusty mirage]

how many of those are the same

[solar bramble]

looks like i'll need to go through each of them to figure that otu

[drifting cloud]

hope youll manage, good luck

[oak tangle]

if you're in the position of caring about min maxxing which build you take for each boss, chances are you're either a) already knowledgeable enough to work that out for yourself or b) willing to put the effort in and understand that maybe it won't always be 3 builds in total

[spare dust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[fallen forge]

yeah i found it hard to click the button to copy too

whispyr cant u import the talents directly onto my pc

[tawdry flare]

meanwhile I've been using one build for all the bosses

[balmy condor]

Wait until he finds out that I provide more than 1 build on some of the bosses

[fallen forge]

recup doesnt work after vanish right?

[balmy condor]

Then it’s really over

[oak tangle]

how do i play 2 builds at once, pls tell me

[fallen forge]

cause then id just take aoe blind instad

[solar bramble]

i dont' want a build for every boss is the thing lol. but it shows 9 unless i click through each to see that it's actually 3

[fallen forge]

have u considered

not getting a build for every boss

🙂

[oak tangle]

don't look at the boss by boss guide then?

[solar bramble]

i have . . . but guide shows there is one for every boss unless you go to see it's not different

[fallen forge]

if you know a boss has some adds just take the raid cleave build and call it a day

[steel spire]

What if our spec was dog and we had only 1 viable build

[blazing jewel]

what

the

fuck

is nymue

[haughty radish]

Just switch between internal bleeding and caustic spatter

[runic hinge]

I’m going to only use single target talents and tunnel the boss and good luck with the mechanics to everyone else

[oak tangle]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps try this page

[fallen forge]

honestly just take the caustic build

switch to internal bleeding when its pure single target

[steel spire]

Anyone cook up a sepsis shiv build

[fallen forge]

and thats all u need go kill shit

[steel spire]

With echo

[fallen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/johny-gif-27696534

[steel spire]

[balmy condor]

Hate it here

[tawdry flare]

Stop it

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s in 10.1 brother

[dawn jolt]

noob question but how do you guys open on morchie? she removes my kingsbane

[steel spire]

We wait

[ember oasis]

any rotation assist tools? came back to wow after 2 years and my damage is fkd, not sure what im doing wrong, but definately something

[hoary isle]

always blame bad gear first

[ember oasis]

no, my gear is decent, is definately me this time XD

[runic hinge]

Then blame your shaman for not moving WF close enough

[dawn jolt]

as a newbie to dawn of infinite morchie just feels very unfair to dot classes

[hoary isle]

blame priest for no PI

[steel spire]

Then blame how the tank positioned the boss

[runic hinge]

Then blame bad crit rng

[steel spire]

Then blame someone for pulling on 2

[runic hinge]

Probably the moonkin

[steel spire]

Classic

[sudden brook]

Hello fellow BM hunters

I'm here to enjoy the big damage and being AFK for the tier

[gusty mirage]

you can find the BM hunters over here ->

[wind falcon]

does assa require 2 daggers?

[sudden brook]

He thinks BM is bad

He thinks its dead

[boreal whale]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sudden brook]

BM hunter is still omega broken BTW

[gusty mirage]

ofc it is

[sudden brook]

The buffs offset the nerf

[gusty mirage]

the "nerf" wasn't a nerf

[sudden brook]

Yeah

It was like a buff

LOL

[gusty mirage]

but you're not factoring in the BM hunter difference

brain dead

[humble ginkgo]

is wafting simming good for anyone else?

[gusty mirage]

yes

because it's better than sophic

[humble ginkgo]

both weapons?

[wind falcon]

does assa require 2 daggers?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[humble ginkgo]

Sophic is cool tho

dopamine rush

[spice spire]

I love when sophic procs once In a 5 minute fight

[gusty mirage]

skill issue

proc more nerd

[spice spire]

Let me pull the slot machine rq pray for high toll

[humble ginkgo]

Bro sin is so fucking sleeper

[haughty radish]

Yes, mutilate doesn't work without daggers

[humble ginkgo]

Sin needs a way to generate full combo points at random

Like sub and outlaw

much more fun

[gusty mirage]

something something big kingsbane

i find myself falling asleep in between these fancy 1minute windows

[humble ginkgo]

True

[gusty mirage]

almost as fun as ret

[humble ginkgo]

I find myself asleep after I press kingsbane once

[sudden brook]

Nah ret is fun

[gusty mirage]

ret is not fun

you're mentally ill

[spice spire]

[sudden brook]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/classic-tbc-tbc-classic-wow-wow-warcraft-tbc-gif-22224596

[spice spire]

It’s 2020 again

[sudden brook]

[blazing jewel]

why did council have to be the difficult boss and not volcoros

this is beans

[sudden brook]

My damage on that fight is going to be bad

[blazing jewel]

I got killed by the bear charge impact damage

and a bloom tick

and watched my boomies solo the fight

[fallen forge]

i let the other rogue get pi so i have an excuse for when he does double my damage

[blazing jewel]

guy if you have an outlaw weapon

id recommend that

[fallen forge]

[sudden brook]

I mean i already recrafted and such

[blazing jewel]

actually getting full usage out of your cds on sin is not happening

[sudden brook]

cba for 1 fight honestly

I mean idc

fight doesnt die to dps

Ill do enough

[wind falcon]

i tried to understand outlaw for an hour today. i can't get any where CLOSE to my sim

[solar bramble]

what dmage % in AoE should caustic splatter be.

[blazing jewel]

fair yea

[solar bramble]

arterial shock setup

[runic hinge]

69

[sudden brook]

OUtlaw is very hard

[blazing jewel]

its just frustrating

[sudden brook]

also my GM doesnt believe me

When I say outlaw is good

And assa is only broken insane if u get PI

[spice spire]

Ur GM is an iguana

[sudden brook]

Which is just a fact

[blazing jewel]

its a good target for aug which has some merit to it

[sudden brook]

Its fine though

[spice spire]

Yeah it has good burst

[humble ginkgo]

me doing same damage as the sin rogue in my guild as outlaw but im still getting bitched about swapping to sin

[sudden brook]

Getting my assa reps in

[humble ginkgo]

[sudden brook]

I'm fine for the tier

[blazing jewel]

but it will be interesting to see whats played if sin gets nerfed

[sudden brook]

Yeah bro

Literally me

Its like

"Whatever dude"

"Whatever u guys say"

[humble ginkgo]

I killed volcross as outlaw

Did W damage

[sudden brook]

Hold on skip

hold on this is maybe too spicy for public

[steel spire]

Guy went assa end of an era

[sick abyss]

Any new tec?

[gleaming reef]

But sin is average performing better than outlaw?

[gusty mirage]

SPK in shambles

[gleaming reef]

Plus sin and outlaw have such DRASTICALLY different stat prios

Not an easy gear swap

[humble ginkgo]

Pi users

are making it better

[gleaming reef]

Pi sucks on outlaw

[gusty mirage]

yeah

that's the point

the only spec in the game that gets more from PI than assassination is uhdk

and uhdk is buttcheeks

[gleaming reef]

^^

[humble ginkgo]

BM hunter is equal no?

[gleaming reef]

If your priest is not pi you then they are trolling. As for bm hunters,I'm not sure if sims are up to date with the latest damage hotfix so idk

[drifting cloud]

lmao ID reset smolderon

and his hp went up by 150mil

[humble ginkgo]

[drifting cloud]

and you spawn 4 nados

[sick abyss]

Is bloodmallet updated for sims for Pi to assination ?

[gusty mirage]

if only there was information on the page that showed when it was last updated

[runic hinge]

If only

[sudden brook]

Nahhh

UDK is not bad

UDK is still nuts

I mean, the issue with UDK is that it isnt assa, but I mean, UDK is still broken

Do not get it twisted

I think like every spec in the game right now is turbo broken

Like idk bro

[sudden brook]

it's fucked up cuz outlaw is insane this tier

Just like, everybody is obsessed with assa rn so is what it is

It's so insane on so many of these fights for the same way "Havoc is broken"

It's output in ST and AOE are pretty absurd

And even when speced for full ST it's damage is also equally insane

[tropic tundra]

anyone getting massive frame drop in nymue? I think its green puddle is causing the problem, just as aberrus big slime guy did

[gusty mirage]

compared to what it was last season its kinda ass

but yeah it's still solid

[dreamy edge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[lucid rain]

226k, +20 everbloom

[silk bane]

oxi my rl wont give me pi or aug stuff, can you come bully them into siimping me? thanks

[lucid rain]

post-yalnu/witherbark fix

[buoyant herald]

i think i need to spend some more time with sin

[brazen willow]

ello fellas quick question

in ST we just save our shivs for kingsbane right

like no reason to press them otherwise

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[brazen willow]

okkk ty

[green apex]

Resisting the urge to just rip crafting a 486 weapon

RESISTING

[wanton nest]

how bad is the nerf?

or hotfix?

[green apex]

It's in the pin, but it's nothing

[steel spire]

Hotfix hurt us bad. no need to touch anything else now, outlaw bis again

[fast pilot]

i will miss how fun this was to see 1 million burst dmg

[rough girder]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

So true

[haughty flicker]

quick put the channel in slowmode so it looks like people were outraged

ez nerf avoidance

[livid mesa]

if kb and dm become unsynced do you hold kb? for raid

[bronze pike]

my name is rembourrage and im here to say

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-dbz-rap-homer-simpsons-gif-17469967

nyume sucks aids

help me

[covert pulsar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spare dust]

without vanish or SD you just mut/fan to drop single ruptures right?

[strange python]

put in a blood storm between it

[spare dust]

wth is a blood storm

[strange python]

i forgot name lul

[spare dust]

crimson tempest? lol

[strange python]

this aoe bleeding skill

yes

[spare dust]

xD

[strange python]

in german 1to1 translations its Bloodred storm

[still stirrup]

Bonestorm

[strange python]

if assa wont work out for me, i may reroll back to my mage

[spare dust]

i main feral and feel like a dingus on assa

[strange python]

i main arcane mage and it feels a bit similar to assa tbh

[slate crown]

Yup, you need your bleeds up, and short of SD / vanish, that's the best way to get them up

[lean portal]

what are your secondary stats ? :p

[strange python]

i bet its 60% haste

[misty relic]

What poisions do we apply in m+? Having a hard time finding anything on it in guides for some reason.

[strange python]

huh ?

deadly, this talented green stuff for envenom dmg and slow and cast speed reduce no ?

[lean portal]

is it worth to go that far up in haste ? probably not right

but were not maxing mastery anymore either

i wonder

[arctic hare]

CLASSES

Multiple Class talents that were previously Shadowlands Covenant Abilities (such as Convoke the Spirits, Divine Toll, and Sepsis) have had their spell visuals updated to match their Class visual kit. This is an ongoing effort and more will be added over the course of the Seeds of Renewal 10.2.5 PTR cycle. HELLLLLL YEAS

[fallen raven]

they made sepsis green pog

[slate crown]

did they really?

like are those updates live?

[fallen raven]

it's on ptr

[slate crown]

Oh

no I liked blue sepsis 😦 😦

[fallen raven]

icon's still blue, it's weird

[wet agate]

yeah ngl blue sepsis is nice

[slate crown]

Maybe I'll like green sepsis too tho, I'll have to go look

I actually like the cov abilities colors now even on rogue, idn

[fallen raven]

no clue what they're going to do for ER

[haughty flicker]

just make it purple

[slate crown]

I wouldn't mind purple er

I like it as it is now, purple could be ok

[strange python]

haste is not a bad stat as far as i am aware, but if u look on scaling and stuff, mastery doesnt scale that well, i go like mixed stats, i have 53xx crit and try to aim 37xx haste and 4xxx mastery

i run ok with it

[vagrant tapir]

if you're playing without DTB, do you use atrophic/deadly, or atrophic/instant?

[arctic hare]

Deadly

always deadly

[vagrant tapir]

thought so

instant is the one you add in

[hexed willow]

woo got 18 renown!

[arctic hare]

grats

[arctic hare]

With DTB, you would add in Amplifying, not instant.

[vagrant tapir]

right i was just about to correct that

[spare dust]

I regret getting a frag of shalamayne trinket last week

[hexed willow]

also where can I get a general log analysis? Did fyrakk trying sin for my first time, trying to see where I can improve

[steel spire]

The sub bull

[lean portal]

hmm what are these numbers meaning ? cant be the % right

[vagrant tapir]

stat amounts

[steel spire]

Ilvl until max ilvl then fix stats

[vagrant tapir]

5300ish, 3700ish, 4000ish

[lean portal]

okok

and versa still sucks?

[lean portal]

yeah ik but im trying to not replace good stats by bad stats 3ilvl above

[hexed willow]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xnRWT2MyqL8Hv6DX#fight=last&type=damage-done Trying to improve, first boss fight as sin

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[hexed willow]

< didnt work

[proper forum]

hello so im simming the 3 m+ builds on whispyrs wowhead guide and the utility build is consistently simming highest even though the "arterial shock" build should theoretically sim higher, what's the reason for this?

[strange python]

versa only good on m+ becaus of dmg reduce, and wispyr explained also, if its pure raiding and singletarget, then mastery outperform versa if i am correct. but thats also in the wowhead guide he made

[lean portal]

maybe the packs in sim are long enough for kingsbane to get full value ?

[vagrant tapir]

well no the hybrid build would be the highest

which isnt the utility build

[strange python]

yes

hybrid currently best

[rotund wagon]

I got my first ever week 1, +20 done and i want to share that with you all and say boy does sin feel good

[vagrant tapir]

https://i.imgur.com/IaVhk1z.png

that's the utility build which is different from the hybrid build

[balmy condor]

Wtf is this sim

[proper forum]

hmm so utility wins for 5 min 8x patchwerks and hybrid wins for dungeon slice

im moving from outlaw so my gear is abit all over the place

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah of course it will

[vagrant tapir]

something to note, the utilitarian build is identical to the hybrid build in terms of the spec tree, its only the class tree which differs

[balmy condor]

Lethality is the better talent by far

For sustained aoe

But this is precisely why we don’t sim 8t 5 min

[proper forum]

i sim many different variations to get a vague idea

heres my dungeon slice https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2XBxuV9tAnyuaZwYHDoS6A

[balmy condor]

It’s not surprising that in a huge aoe situation, the energy talents suck

[hexed willow]

oh wow wowanalyzer is actually really helpful

i'm used to not being helpful coming from demo

[proper forum]

yeah gotchya, i understand

just wanna stick to 1 of your builds while i learn fundamentals, then ill branch out

[balmy condor]

Yeh

They all play very similarly

And they’re all kinda close

[hexed willow]

wowanalyzer says that Envenom at 4 combo points is "bad" though, is that accurate? wowhead says differently

[balmy condor]

Yeah topple hasn’t updated that fully yet

[strange python]

i think hybrid is good for m+ 👍

[proper forum]

oki i think ill just play ulti for acro than

ive been listening to your vods at work whispyr, thanks for all your helpful content! ❤️

[balmy condor]

Np

[hexed willow]

and another quick question, it says that clipping rupture is bad; what if you're clipping a non-stealth rupture with a stealth rupture?

[vagrant tapir]

meaning wowanalyzer hasnt been updated?

[balmy condor]

Irrelevant difference

[balmy condor]

If I say something isn’t fully updated then it means it hasn’t been fully updated, yes

[hexed willow]

ah so don't worry about getting rupture up specifically from stealth unless its falling off

[balmy condor]

I don’t have other words to describe this

[vagrant tapir]

as apposed to the wowhead guide not being updated...

[balmy condor]

Wowhead guide is updated

[vagrant tapir]

Right, im saying it was specifically not obvious which one you meant

hence the question

[steel spire]

[balmy condor]

What

Whatever

Yes, wowanalyzer isn’t fully updated

Wowhead is

[royal lantern]

im a bit confused there whisp

why "could" sim higher with sbs

sims not fully fleshed out for it and the change?

[balmy condor]

Hate you

[royal lantern]

was a Question

[balmy condor]

Sims work fine for it

It’s just gear diff

What can you do

[steel spire]

Just wondering 🤔

[rotund wagon]

It’s super nice having Whispyr be such a helpful and active part of the community but we gotta give the guy a break from time to time. We need to let him rest so when the opener changes 3x in one night he has the energy to make a video for each one again

[royal lantern]

actually didnt thought about that

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

I’m not gonna sim sbs at all because I don’t want to add it to my bar. Ez pz

[balmy condor]

True

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[balmy condor]

That was my answer on stream earlier too

“You aren’t playing sbs?”
Yep, can’t be fucked

[subtle tundra]

Omg assa is so hard to play now

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

what was sbs again ?

[arctic tusk]

whispyr does making legs tier piece instead of head matter that much

or could you just

[vagrant tapir]

serated bone spike

[royal lantern]

why sbs, im 80k above the others anyway because of pi

[arctic tusk]

get the stats in a diff item

[royal lantern]

fuck pi

[strange python]

ah

[runic hinge]

I like where the opener is at and how ass feels rn so I don’t feel like changing it up

[bronze pike]

but sbs is gonna have rogue visuals

[subtle tundra]

Whispyr does it matter if I shadow dance into kb or I kb into shadow dance @balmy condor whisper

[bronze pike]

and not icky necrolord visuals

[royal lantern]

bis change actually

[vagrant tapir]

yes it matters

[bronze pike]

memes aside

[vagrant tapir]

dance first

[bronze pike]

wtf is a rogue visual

[rotund wagon]

I low key wish we were like third best for pi so we only get it sometimes and don’t draw as much attention

[bronze pike]

is it gonna be green?

red?

[royal lantern]

throwing bone spears is the least rogue thing evet lol

probs a throwing knife

[bronze pike]

like is it gonna be a knife instead of a bone?

downgrade

unless it s a

[subtle tundra]

How much, it still gets ns snapshot right?

[vagrant tapir]

A lot

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-naruto-spin-gif-12947852

[strange python]

i would like to throw a tauren instead

[vagrant tapir]

and yes it does

that's specifically why it matters

[subtle tundra]

Then it's not a lot

[vagrant tapir]

[royal lantern]

#subtlety has the weeb shit, go away

[subtle tundra]

Buddy if both snapshot it then it's not a lot

[vagrant tapir]

just push all your buttons in random order then

[bronze pike]

ew actual ninjas

[subtle tundra]

Fuck off

[royal lantern]

mate

[bronze pike]

dude chill

[royal lantern]

varas plays on a higher level then you

[bronze pike]

that wasnt helpful at all

[royal lantern]

why should a kb+dance macro matter

it uses them at the same time opposed to....use them at the same time?

[vagrant tapir]

Why ask the question and then instantly refute the answer

[subtle tundra]

I'm tryna understand how it works, cause I was unsatisfied with my dps

[strange python]

i mean, doing shadowdance first does matter so your kb get the dmg buff from it and critical strike ? i dunno seems obvious

[blazing jewel]

the idea of dance first

[royal lantern]

you can macro them, kb gets buffed by dance

[blazing jewel]

is so your non vanish kbs still get snapshot

[vagrant tapir]

Right, and I specifically explained it to you

[subtle tundra]

Yea probably gonna macro them for raid

[upper spear]

QQ on Deathmark, does it replicate dots that are already applied when you hit DM, and any applied after hitting DM (for the 16 second window)

[vagrant tapir]

and then you for some reason decided it in fact doesnt matter

[royal lantern]

all dots, no matter if running or new applied

[vagrant tapir]

Kingsbane is a very significant cooldown for sin

[strange python]

didnt dm say that it only duplicate normal attacks ? or did i read it wrong again

[subtle tundra]

Also should get the kb thing WA to tell me when to tea and vanish exactly, probably use them too late

[upper spear]

ok so thats why we shadow dance in it to get 2 series of double dots?

[royal lantern]

get notters wa

the guy made a good one

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

thank him when you can

[strange python]

i have a kb bar with tick marker at 6 and 8 and 5 :3

[frank tangle]

do you use 4 cp finishers or only 5-6?

[vagrant tapir]

4+

[strange python]

4 also

[royal lantern]

4+ means 4and more

[frank tangle]

ty

[strange python]

👍

[candid goblet]

we are supposed to fit in 2 ticks of KB in Master Assassin right?

or is it 3 ticks

[royal lantern]

2 or 3

timing is tight for 3

[blazing jewel]

dont think you can get 3?

kb ticks every 2s

[royal lantern]

oh ye i mean seconds

[marble hemlock]

just macro it with tea

[blazing jewel]

assuming youre talking about the vanish portion of it

[marble hemlock]

both 3 charges, both 1min recharge

[runic hinge]

Smart

[candid goblet]

ok so as long as we use vanish at somewhere between 2.0-3.0 secs left, we should get in 2 ticks for MA

[graceful solstice]

Isn’t SBS 30s

[royal lantern]

sbs is bad

thats what it is

[oak tangle]

what is sbs, it doesn't sound good

[subtle tundra]

I don't think sbs is that bad

But I'm cool

[oak tangle]

it sounds like the sorta thing i wouldn't sim

[subtle tundra]

I wouldn't sim it either, I'd just play it

[runic hinge]

Tbh I think the animation is cool af but I don’t really wanna add it to what is already a piano key opener

[median flicker]

someone call me an idiot i popped my kingsbane before my death mark all night

and didn't notice till now

i'm so silly

[oak tangle]

but you did notice, so can't call you idiot

[median flicker]

that true

[steel spire]

Any log reviewers yet

[strange python]

imagine i didnt use kb in aoe at all cause i thought it hits only 1 target

[thorn fjord]

@blazing jewel no luck on smold tonight 😩

[blazing jewel]

hell no lol

no trinkets allowed

[thorn fjord]

I mean we didn’t kill it lol

[blazing jewel]

oh no

[haughty flicker]

that would make it hard to get a trinket

[royal lantern]

we dropped 0heroic tier for rogue/monk/warrior/evoker in the entire clear

[clever perch]

according to !fuu we go crit>haste>vers>mastery when fully geared?

[pearl gulch]

can sum1 send me the m+ tree?

[clever perch]

@vestal wren ?

[lucid silo]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever perch]

why u link that

[vestal wren]

seems so

[clever perch]

gotcha ty ❤️

[vestal wren]

but i think its more

let me find that quick

[clever perch]

yep, crit>haste>vers>mastery

[vestal wren]

^ i think a area graph does show stats better

before you say that

this is outlaw

[clever perch]

xDDDDDD

[vestal wren]

this is sub

[vagrant tapir]

it definitely quantifies the distance between stats in the stack much better yeah

[clever perch]

outlaw mastery kekw

[vestal wren]

if you look at the 3

you see how all 4 stats are almost equally spread on assassination

[clever perch]

yea

[vestal wren]

so saying

one stat > the other is harder

[clever perch]

true

[vagrant tapir]

yeah, its probably closer to

[vestal wren]

so you either use >= or =

[vagrant tapir]

Crit = Haste > Vers = Mastery

[lucid silo]

just sim?

[vestal wren]

in the end yes

[clever perch]

crit = haste >= vers = mastery

yep

[slate crown]

I mean it’s basically just sim at equal ilvl

[vestal wren]

but i rly think the graphs bring the point home

[steel spire]

Assas best prog spec confirmed pog?

[vestal wren]

that there is no stat that is rly bad for assasination

[vagrant tapir]

Right, but theres certainly not no value in this type of analysis

[slate crown]

But if anything isn’t, ilvl>>>>>>>>>* here, there’s no other question other than trinkets

[frank tangle]

someone said assa is nerfed next week? is that confirmed?

[steel spire]

[slate crown]

Are the Somebody in the room with you right now?

[vagrant tapir]

Someone?

[steel spire]

Outlaw mains cooking up fear

[clever perch]

everyone is saying "dh and rogue will get nerf" doesn't mean that's entierly true tho

[vestal wren]

hard to predict tuning changes

[runic hinge]

Most people don’t even have 4 set. How can we know who’s actually op.

[slate crown]

Yeah, can’t make the comparison right now

[lethal widget]

It’s not like assa is just blowing everybody else away, the clear outlier was bm

[steel spire]

Would be like blizzard to nerf sub and assas first week though

[slate crown]

Or at least can’t make it conclusively

[vestal wren]

just get PI

[supple snow]

so confused

[slate crown]

Yeah same

Just in general

[clever perch]

huh

[supple snow]

now we want crit haste over mastery?

thought mastery is giga BiS

[slate crown]

We want any stats

[subtle tundra]

All my tier is hc, got blessed

[clever perch]

i want tier

[vagrant tapir]

That's not what that area chart shows

In bis gear, all stats are very close in value

That's what that chart means

[royal lantern]

once again proving me right: the worst players drop all the loot

[vestal wren]

trinket choice can also impact stats

[slate crown]

And if you’re looking to pick stat enchants gems, just sim it because chances are for your character it’s going to be different.