#assassination

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keen spruce
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1v1 me gnarlroot

spice spire
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Not

slim hamlet
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Normal 1st day

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Before eu is even up

grim jay
keen spruce
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shoulda made NA toons

slim hamlet
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mb

keen spruce
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like echo

slim hamlet
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Yea

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Will do for next time

grim jay
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Toon deez

flint tusk
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You sure you want this heat?

slim hamlet
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Confirm echo is just better

keen spruce
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echo world first normal fyrakk

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pack it up tier's over

slim hamlet
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Exactly

grim jay
keen spruce
flint tusk
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Exactly

slim hamlet
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Time to wrap it up

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Tier over

flint tusk
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Kills a kill

slim hamlet
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^

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Time to go home for thanksgiving or whatever

rustic minnow
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anyone see bug fixes for shrouded suffocation during dm?

slim hamlet
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ye

flint tusk
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Wrong discord fella kekdog

dark token
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Yes

rustic minnow
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Do we generate less cp now?

runic hinge
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no

flint tusk
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Well the correct amount

slim hamlet
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only if dirty bug abuser

slate crown
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It is still giving me 5 peeposhrug

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I'm just pretending like it isn't

slim hamlet
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Well u are on the beta realm

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no wonder

slate crown
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this is true

grim jay
slim hamlet
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check him pc

slate crown
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Oh good idea brb

balmy condor
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deathmark gar 5cp but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....

spice spire
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deathmark gar 5cp but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....

slim hamlet
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deathmark gar 5cp but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....

celest helm
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deathmark gar 5cp but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....

subtle kiln
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dm dn

ember mural
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deafmawk gaw 5cp but dat is nywot nywowmawwy ^w^ fwis wewwy wewwy insanye ^w^ ^w^ (・ω´・) (o・ω・o)fay nyeed twowo check him pc and gamwe (⌒ω⌒) ヽ(*・ω・)ノ ^w^ >w< (* ^ ω ^)Maybe he nywot cheating but maybe he using teh gamwe defwicit (・ω´・) (o´∀o) owoand fwis cand seem owon gamwe scween (・ω´・) (⌒ω⌒)He nyeeds twowo check-up \(^▽^)/ \(^▽^)/ (・ω´・) (・ω´・)w \(^▽^)/

slim hamlet
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alright

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Time to shut it down

vale mortar
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What is going on?

lucid rain
robust garden
slim hamlet
loud light
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quick, somebody find a way to change the opener again

onyx coyote
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They just put through a tuning to internal bleeding 😦

slim hamlet
slim hamlet
onyx coyote
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oh thats good to know

slim hamlet
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IB is 2-3% overall

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and it matters for one singular IB every 2 mins

onyx coyote
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ahh cool

slim hamlet
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If I understand it correctly

kindred oriole
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
onyx coyote
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seemed they just wanted the deathmark ones to not proc it

slim hamlet
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yup

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Just like Shrouded

rough girder
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is troll the bis assa race?

dark token
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Dwarf

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It's always dwarf

rough girder
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why is jpc playing troll then

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Im feel like he knows something

visual lake
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He has two faction changes sitting pending, probably just waiting to see what Rogue will end up being his main

dark token
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He has like 3 diff races on his chars lol

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I think he just picked w/e

balmy condor
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jpc playing troll but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....

crystal crystal
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I think we need a pin to explain this joke...

rough girder
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idk man jpc is playing it bro

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I have to do what jpc plays

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I have to

midnight mist
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wait what we have to swap troll for dps increase now ?

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alright

slate crown
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yeah

midnight mist
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done

slate crown
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toes

midnight mist
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bro

slate crown
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turns out they're bis

midnight mist
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fuck them toes

dark token
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Assa lowest simming spec but that dps is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....

midnight mist
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I was troll for all of SL

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I hated the toes

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I only swapped race cause of the toes

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couldnt stand them anymore

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fat 2 fingered feets

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mf

midnight mist
slim hamlet
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^^^^^

dark token
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Also we are just seeing their details dps

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In logs it's prob all augs

slim hamlet
slim estuary
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So what do we think, we sim bad, are we sticking or flipping?

midnight mist
slim hamlet
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Refuses to elaborate

lavish wing
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what is going on 😄

slim hamlet
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Leaves

dark token
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It's like people forget Aug exists when looking at DPS meters in rwf

slate crown
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Everbloom and doti felt fine without acro, idn if anyone else felt it but on BRH + sanguine + archer mobs felt really rough without, I may consider acro for that place, not sure if others felt it there

slim hamlet
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They don't

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Aug was all a fever dream

midnight mist
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aug is so annoying

slim hamlet
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Now go back to grinding azerite power

midnight mist
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single handlely ruined details

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the addon is straight up useless now

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sad days

dark token
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Yeah it is. Steals ur DPS, ruins details, makes parsing innacurate

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Takes ur m+ spot

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Shit spec

midnight mist
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what a good spec

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was a great addition to the game

slim hamlet
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Such a good design

midnight mist
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at least aug players enjoys the spec

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bro

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imagine if it was shit to play aswell

slim hamlet
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I wish aug spec was in all games

midnight mist
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💀

slim hamlet
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All the actual aug players are just force aug players tho

dire jackal
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nice so i can blame aug for my grey logs ggez

midnight mist
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ye but from what I head its fun to play

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at least

glacial shuttle
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got a mirror out of my first Dawn run ;D

slim hamlet
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Idk it's the biggest vibe spec

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Besides bm prob

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And us maybe

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We do be vibing

oblique kiln
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question on sims trying to figure out how much breaking my 4 set will impact my overall dmg. I'm on top gear do I select minimum set bonus as 4? confused if that means its going to give me the 4 set as the default if I do that option.

dark token
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you dont select any set bonus

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you just sim combos

glossy imp
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waycrest is so painful man

rain mortar
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im getting pulled out of stealth on sin like every 5 seconds what the heck is going on

thorn fjord
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Sin rotation right now feels fucking sexy

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We’re vibing hard

lavish wagon
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Guys do you think that during the shadow dance window isn’t good go for garrote—>envenom—>garrotte—>envenom instead use ambush as builder?

thorn fjord
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You slam gar after kb

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Sd kb gar blast

lavish wagon
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Yes i mean after the first one when i supposed to use mutilate

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Is*

midnight spire
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any suggestion on what to macro Shiv with in m+?

dark token
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They just bugfixed that

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Why macro shiv

buoyant kraken
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How is assa Looking? I know it sims worse, but i guess aug/pi target helps a lot

dark token
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It's one of ur main dps cd

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And it's on gcd

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What could u macro it

midnight spire
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button bloat

dark token
dark light
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lol

dark token
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We lost like 4 buttons this patch bro

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Alright I'm going to bed

thorn fjord
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@dark token even so with the bug fix we’re not hitting gar after the kb?

dark light
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what do we use dreamcarver on?

dark token
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Enough discord aurfing

midnight spire
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umm we did?

thorn fjord
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Wouldn’t you just ambush into Env

dark token
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You just don't spam garrote env

thorn fjord
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Yeah no. Biggy

dark token
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Like you would with 5

thorn fjord
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Yeah nah that’s degen

eternal heath
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Raid in 80 mins. Gotta shower then hit a dummy for an hour so I don't grief tonight starege

celest helm
thorn fjord
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Once upon a time I had shiv macrod to tea

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Wild times

solemn axle
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!guide

slim hamlet
thorn fjord
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Stinky

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@slim hamlet we gonna show and tell parses tomorrow

slim hamlet
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No just took 10 showers

thorn fjord
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Or what

slim hamlet
thorn fjord
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No fun

slim hamlet
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I got doggy s1 trinkets and we only doing normal

thorn fjord
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What server do you play on

slim hamlet
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Thursday we heroic

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Eu

thorn fjord
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Oh

eternal heath
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Had to work in the office today too

slim hamlet
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PogO?

thorn fjord
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Just teasing

slim hamlet
slim hamlet
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Time for bedge

fossil pagoda
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
fast fog
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Is there a cheat sheet for Cruel Dreamcarver dagger? Do I just press this on CD?

slim hamlet
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Na

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It gives a buff for 24(?) hours

fast fog
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OH

slim hamlet
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!​Dagger

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Hmm

fast fog
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!dagger

fast fog
rose yew
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!up

outer cairn
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are we simming weekly or latest?

fast fog
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I'm guessing Beast or Mechanical is the way to go for survivability?

slim hamlet
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They all kinds meh I would go beast if I got it

fast fog
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Sick, thanks again.

thorn fjord
old halo
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Anyone got a kingsbane tracker they like? i keep missing my timings on it

spice spire
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I heard @slate crown has a good one

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That’s just word on the street tho

old halo
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thanks, i thought sub chat was best but i was wrong XD

spice spire
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LE OP

thorn fjord
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OT is best

spice spire
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4 letters

thorn fjord
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But you close

eternal heath
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Sub is for subs

thorn fjord
spice spire
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Nah I said it above wtf

thorn fjord
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Sorry

candid geyser
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
old halo
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wut are the lines?

outer cairn
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sheesh. got a 457 belt and my 447 with socket still beats it

thorn fjord
old halo
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i get the shiv and vanish ones at end

thorn fjord
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It’s telling you what to cast where

wind falcon
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Which is looking better for the raid and m+, sin or sub?

old halo
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oh tea is one, but wuts the first line

thorn fjord
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Prob gar

wind falcon
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Need to get to my computer to check out the raid logs

thorn fjord
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Jpc has been playing sin all day

old halo
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damn that does way more damage with correct timings

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its rupture for first line i think

lyric spindle
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How long does the buff from cruel dream carver last? Can you have multiple buffs?

plain mortar
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is Sin going to be meta??

crude parcel
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im assuming this means we don't keep using Garrot during deathmark anymore?

last onyx
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Aware

balmy condor
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so

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I don't think anyones cared enough to test

balmy condor
crude parcel
thorn fjord
crude parcel
old halo
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oh just envenom spam

thorn fjord
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Keep imp gar up

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I could be wrong but that’s what I’ve been seeing all day

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More of an upside over pressing rup to get the ns buff

old halo
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cool, just doing normal tonight so w/e, can get the NS rupture in vanish at end tho still right

thorn fjord
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Yeah but you don’t really have to… I wasn’t doing that earlier

tight atlas
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
old halo
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oh yeah i remember whyspers video said like 100dps or something small like that

thorn fjord
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It’s such a minute difference that it won’t really matter

white lance
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Imagine if they revert the ss change. More videos!

storm forum
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what about venom rush in AP build?

whole mason
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So IB wasn't in sim anyway, but dm gar is quite "nerfing" bug fix

wraith cosmos
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so back to 3 cp instead of 5?

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that kinda sucks

crystal crystal
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Wish they would treat Leeching Poison dropping all the time with the same urgency as the DM/Gar bug... -_-

balmy condor
whole mason
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execution, with all of those rng proc cp generation, dm gar 5cp feels like the coolest breeze in dance

balmy condor
crystal crystal
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o.o

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When???

runic hinge
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Today

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it's been so nice

crystal crystal
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Oh damn! Finally! Nice

true rapids
solemn axle
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!rotation

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frick

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!guide

eternal heath
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Got boots and bracers made in time for raid

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424 crafted bracers fbm

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top tier consumable

wanton path
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What’s the 2p+2p sitch

eternal heath
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Get 2p of one and the other

wanton path
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Lol

balmy condor
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facts

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facts

wanton path
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Wondering how good it is but I’ll check da sims

balmy condor
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better than not doing it

wanton path
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Kk

eternal heath
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Wafting devotion is 5.5k, kinda hurts

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Not sure my weps are worth that lol

gusty mirage
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sim it to double check (:

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sophic > wafting for my current set up

eternal heath
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I figure mine will get replaced pretty soon

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eh fuck it, ill make it back

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Think I may go the no dance build just so I have long arms

inner temple
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whats the dps diff for dance/no dance?

balmy condor
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3.5%ish

pure comet
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I may sound stupid but, how to cast shadow dance and do not change the spell page?

inner temple
eternal heath
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Almost 5% for me panic

pure comet
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Not used to shadow dance, it was for sub back in my day

balmy condor
eternal heath
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Yeah and unfortunately my gear is shit atm

ebon cloud
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
eternal heath
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Simming a whopping 110k lol

wind falcon
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what's the default assa raid build?

oblique kiln
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we holding both shivs always for KB?

gusty mirage
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also not a stupid question, the only reason I haven't swapped back to default is because you can't disable action bar paging

wind falcon
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are the builds in Fuu's spreadsheet accurate?

hoary kernel
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Do we go back to the previous opener now that garrote cant be spammed on DM?

full summit
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Is there a cleave build for the aoe fights in raid?

eternal heath
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am I dumb or am I doing something wrong for the second non lethal

full summit
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where i dont lose a BUNCH of ST dps?

vale mortar
full summit
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Really? that's the difference?

tender tinsel
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Where in our opener do we use trinkets?

vale mortar
inner swift
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anyone got a weak aura for caustic spatter? maybe like the icon glows when we aint got any active?

full summit
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^^^^

mighty gust
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
tender tinsel
vale mortar
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Yes

inner swift
tender tinsel
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Awesome

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Nice to also see our BiS is only one use trinket for once

inner swift
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you see the word weak aura and you automatically jump into !wa XD

warm void
runic hinge
inner swift
mighty gust
eternal heath
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non lethal

ebon quest
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You could just download whispyr’s WA package and then just move the one he has for caustic out of the group. Then delete the rest

tender tinsel
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What AoE talent set up seems to be the most useful?

eternal heath
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Oh now it does

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Weird

keen spruce
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so after some research

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you need 25 to guarantee one piece of tier to drop

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based on other guilds we've talked to that have had the same issue

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and blizzard just didn't feel like telling anyone smile_dog

fleet pagoda
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for normal?

keen spruce
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yeah

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well i assume for heroic too

fleet pagoda
keen spruce
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but we ahven't been in there yet so idk

runic hinge
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something is happening

balmy condor
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Bug Fixes Update

Because of fixes to Lethal dose and Bone spike, there's a new build that could sim higher in single target:
BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkWSSISQAAAAAAIlkIlkAAAAAAAaJJIBSSKpFREkkkkEJNtIBA
This is essentially just the standard dance build, but with bone spike. You would use the spike as normal, prioritizing putting the dot up on targets that don't have it, and then using the charges in place of mutilate. It's been simming much better before tier, slightly worse in bis. Probably better in cleave. In opener use it in place of ambush or right after the rupture.

Mythic+ is seeing some interesting builds. The Arterial Shock build on wowhead can be run with blindside, that seems to be doing okay. BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQSkkIBAAAAAAItkItkAAAAAAAtWSCSgkkSKBRkEJJJJRpViEA Import for that. There's also been some people running internal bleeding over caustic spatter. It's uh, definitely a choice that's okay, but generally would not recommend it.

candid goblet
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It happened

runic hinge
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@spice spire SBS is back

haughty flicker
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god damnit

keen spruce
wind falcon
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so is assa better or worse after the change?

tender tinsel
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@balmy condor I was actually curious, will you be doing a short video going over the AoE opener(s) like you did with ST?

balmy condor
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when I get the time yea

tender tinsel
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Sweet

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Cause the way you explain stuff is really nice

wet oar
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How strong is Assass in M+?

keen spruce
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strong

candid goblet
keen spruce
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like

whole mason
keen spruce
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|---------------------| this strong

haughty flicker
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wow thats strong

keen spruce
wet oar
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better than OL after the buffs?

keen spruce
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what buffs

wet oar
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balance pass right before the patch

fair ingot
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how difficult will low keys like +5s be if you compare them to the scaling of s2 dungeons?
Playing IB is more fun in lower keys than spatter since shit just dies before you can actually cleave 😄
Not out in EU yet so would be nice to have a feeling at which point it will feel good to play with spatter 😄

keen spruce
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you mean the bugfix?

wet oar
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whatever it was

keen spruce
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that gave up 0.2%

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us*

cerulean nest
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whats our second trinket now?

keen spruce
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like 600 dps HMM

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i mean idk outlaw probably fine, i haven't played it at all so i can't comment on outlaw

eternal heath
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Guys I did more dps than the tank, I am winning

tender tinsel
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Lmao less gooo

keen spruce
eternal heath
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not by much lol

whole mason
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but we have more kb stacks, and we're going to use SBS, so

eternal heath
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Other rogue at 139k lol

thorn fjord
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Ayoo @gusty mirage

slate crown
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Oh SBS that’s interesting.

fleet pagoda
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monkahmm sbs breakin the bank on my keybinds

haughty flicker
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how

oak eagle
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SBS?

stiff tapir
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does arterial precision buff existing dots/bleeds?

fair ingot
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Whats the difference in dps roughly if you mutilate instead of ambush in dance windows/opener?

haughty flicker
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smol

cerulean nest
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yo have new Ashes sims come out yet?

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anyone lol

spice spire
cold zodiac
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The change to Shrouded Suff and Deathmark means we don't spam Garrote during Dance Mark anymore correct?

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We now use two globals between each Envenom?

haughty flicker
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sbs still simming 1400 dps lower than the normal build for me

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so im ignoring it

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ez

celest helm
fair ingot
tender tinsel
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I don't think I have ever had this much fun fighting a target dummy in WoW, new Assa feels so crisp in both ST and AoE, just need to get the openers down

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Gotta say, Whispyr, thanks for going through the hell that is sims for us all

wide ferry
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i got the openers down its everything in between that fucks me up

tender tinsel
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Lmao, the Rotation feels super clear with the pooling and on Burst windows

eternal heath
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stupid amount of vers lol

tender tinsel
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Perfectly average amount of vers

timid coral
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
tender tinsel
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So, I do have a question, for the DM burst windows after the opener, do I save SD and use that just before DM instead of with KB?

fair ingot
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So whats the rota difference when swapping out spatter for IB(aoe). I guess with tier we would want to chain envenoms anyways.
So is it basically the same rota - mutilate upkeep?

sick abyss
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
tender tinsel
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Or how does that all work for getting the Improved garrote

thorn fjord
fair ingot
eternal heath
ebon lichen
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so in wowhead it says pips is bis, but its simming lower for me? is this a sim bug or trust the sims?

thorn fjord
tender tinsel
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Or is it just identical to the opener

thorn fjord
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The effect stilll applies

fair ingot
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Pretty sure DM effect is dynamic and doesnt snapshot like NS so its fine

tender tinsel
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Oh nice

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I thought it used to be snapshot like I think it did in the past?

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I don't quite remember because I dropped assa for the last tier since it was well, ass

vapid sierra
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in opener when we dance/kb do we just ignore that dance gives us a free gar and hold off using gar till three seconds on kb?

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and we vanish kb?

thorn fjord
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Dm never snap shotted

tender tinsel
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Huh

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Guess I am high or smth

thorn fjord
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Shot*

tender tinsel
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Sweet

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One less thing to think about

thorn fjord
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Yup

tender tinsel
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Wait, that means there is no reason to not macro KB and SD into one button right?

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Or is there points where you might wanna swap them?

thorn fjord
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Pretty much dm/kb macro is solid but can cause issues in m+

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So if you’re only raiding it’s a safe option

tender tinsel
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I mean, I change bars for M+ for that reason XD

thorn fjord
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There you go

tender tinsel
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Wait you also throw DM into that macro?

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Damn, thick macro

thorn fjord
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Nah

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You can macro tea and pot into dm

fair ingot
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I have a sd/kb macro and both buttons seperately on my bar

thorn fjord
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But you want that separate

fair ingot
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most of the time you wanna use the macro anyways but there are situations in m+ or on certain bosses that you would want to use them seperately

tender tinsel
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I am actually curious, how specifically and when should I use Tea outside of burst windows

fair ingot
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so i use the macro for most applications to save a button press but have the option to split them

tender tinsel
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I know I want a charge for the burst window of course

thorn fjord
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When below 30 energy

tender tinsel
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Why 30?

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Is it energy cost of our generators I assume?

thorn fjord
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How it’s usually been not sure

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@balmy condor would know

tender tinsel
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You have a good point

fair ingot
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Just use when running low. its impossible to overcap on energy witht hat shit now that we have 300

viscid wagon
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Wtf no more rupture env spam during deathmark?

keen spruce
tender tinsel
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I mean, you wanna be above 150 most of the time, no? Since that causes sanguine blades

viscid wagon
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fihaoasdujoasdasda

keen spruce
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you can but it's just one more thing to worry about

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pretty marginal

fair ingot
keen spruce
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just chain envenoms until it breaks

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then pool to 80%

thorn fjord
keen spruce
#

very chill

tender tinsel
keen spruce
tender tinsel
#

Ooooooo

keen spruce
#

last i checked it was like

#

completely neutral

fair ingot
thorn fjord
#

I don’t even end up pulling much atm

#

Rarely find myself energy starved

tender tinsel
#

But the envenom chains is the use of envenom where you time it

stable meteor
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
fair ingot
tender tinsel
#

And you wanna make sure that garrote and Rupture are newly refrshed for envenom chains right? Or do I just pop it in there in the chain

fair ingot
#

when you are above 50 or when you pool to 80+ again to start your next chain every sb tick is a nice little bonus but thats not why you are pooling for ^^

tender tinsel
#

Cool cool cool cool

fair ingot
#

and in m+ its whatever you have infinite energy on group pulls anways so you have 100% sb uptime 😄

tender tinsel
#

I am honestly just happy Exsang is dead XD

#

Actually any tips for AoE?

#

Like how many targets should I keep bleeds up on?

fair ingot
#

atleast 5 ruptures to keep up scent stacks
and depending on the pull i either 2x or 3x garrote

tender tinsel
#

Cool, nice

fair ingot
#

2x garrote and rupture is more than enough energy sustain you would ever need with IC up
on 7+ targets I like to spread more imrpoved gar so i triple gar in the opener

tender tinsel
#

On the Whispyr Afenar WA is there an indication of how many targets have the dots?

onyx crane
#

Today I learned that the name zoldyck is a HunterxHunter reference

tender tinsel
#

Is it?

onyx crane
#

Yeah it is the name of an assassins family

fair ingot
#

Uhm not sure tbh. I dont really try to actively track it since dots prio targets that dont have bleeds yet. so after i rupture 2x in the opener i know i am at max stacks ^^

tender tinsel
#

Wait

#

I don't need to target swap anynmore?

#

Like at all?

fair ingot
#

your main target still gets the 1 out of 3 bleeds

onyx crane
#

For kicks

tender tinsel
#

(Except for utility stuff like cc=

surreal citrus
#

you do for keeping dots up when you don't have IC available

fair ingot
#

but the other 2 spread
so if you gar gar the same target you apply 5 if you target swap you apply 6

tender tinsel
#

Ah nice

#

But how do I keep track of my Ruptures in 4+ target situations?

onyx crane
#

They are all the same right

surreal citrus
#

I recommend plater

tender tinsel
#

Oh I do have plater

#

And I good profile as well(Especially for m+)

stiff kernel
#

seems garrote during SD windows no longer giving me full CP?

tender tinsel
#

But still jsut hard to see sometimes

surreal citrus
#

ah

fair ingot
#

depending on how high you run keys shit dies before they run out 😄
I personally use plater which shows my bleeds on the nameplate with pandemic timers

#

so I see which target has them and when to refresh

tender tinsel
#

I will usually try to do a 20+ of every dungeon on both weeks every season now

restive falcon
#

we gonna be mega chads running Ashes and Branch trink

#

or nah

hexed willow
#

woo got a dagger

#

i can be a rogue now!

real solar
timber meadow
#

outside of weapons, do items drop with diff stat weights depending on loot spec?

surreal citrus
#

which trink is ashes

restive falcon
#

on use from smolder

fair ingot
surreal citrus
#

ty

vapid sierra
#

BOYS I PARCED A 100

surreal citrus
#

damn double on use tho

vapid sierra
#

(healing)

tender tinsel
#

XD

surreal citrus
#

pog

real solar
tender tinsel
#

100 healing parse is BiS

#

Rogues should have a tank spec

eternal heath
#

Council is kinda fun

#

But kind of a mess

onyx crane
tender tinsel
#

Won't be zoning into the raid till thursday because of my guild's raid times

#

Which is why I currently wanna get my AoE shit down, because M+

onyx crane
#

I def need to memorize the opener

eternal heath
#

I am doing pretty bad but

tender tinsel
#

I also really need to get used to Envenom being my main spender in AoE now

onyx crane
#

Nick will be op

tender tinsel
#

(Outlaw got it easy, they only have one rotation)

frigid dirge
#

Someone link me the hybrid talent tree for m+ my dudes

onyx crane
#

It is on Wow head

tender tinsel
#

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEJJJJSAAAAAAASLJSLJAAAAAAQrlkgEIJpkSSEkEJBJJalIBA

#

Here

onyx crane
#

Pfff don't encourage him!

tender tinsel
#

I already had it open

candid goblet
#

Boys, Spatter is dmg based on radius around debuffed target, right?

thorny dagger
#

!wa

jovial aurora
#

is how much gain we get from 2 and 4 piece posted somewhere?

prisma monolithBOT
candid goblet
#

and not around ourselves?

onyx crane
#

I think so about splatter

eternal heath
#

"other nearby enemies" would make me assume so

onyx crane
#

I like the assa rework but i am not yet used to it

stiff kernel
#

I swear they hot fixed the combo points generated from garrote or something i cant get it to fill up anymore

tender tinsel
#

I love it

tender tinsel
#

XD

#

People have said it like 10 times now XD

stiff kernel
#

oh ok ive been in raid havent had a chance to read it lmao

#

im like am i fuckin losing my mind or what

onyx crane
#

Yes but also yes

stiff kernel
#

lol

tender tinsel
#

You main WoW

#

Rogue*

#

XD

#

You lost your mind years ago

#

My stuff there is a case in point

onyx crane
#

I do dmg in M+ now

tender tinsel
#

The only people in WoW that can rival rogue insanity is Boomkins

novel arrow
#

Does Garrote do more damage when used from stealth or no?

#

The tooltip is confusing

onyx crane
#

Did a 21 before reset so ill have a 10 tomorrow, right

onyx crane
#

(EU)

tender tinsel
#

You always want a stealth garrote for the extra damage from improved garrote, subterfuge and master assassin

onyx crane
#

I love passive carnage so much

tender tinsel
#

Yep

#

Passive carnage is a blessing

tough gorge
#

Ambush doesn’t apply spatter for me, I thought this was fixed?

onyx crane
#

Tooltip says mutilate

vapid skiff
#

ambush does apply spatter

#

it did earlier for me at least dracthyr_kek

#

did your rupture fall off maybe?

tough gorge
#

Ok nvm, i only looked at one fight and my rupture fell off and I was being lazy nvm

vapid skiff
#

ye i had that happen sometimes WTF MY SPATTER

#

rupture not up

onyx crane
#

Is bad practice!

tough gorge
#

I’m a little careless with it, should prolly use a weak aura for it

slim estuary
#

!up

velvet ridge
#

you guys rocking IC on the council fight?

onyx crane
#

I have a progress bars i find them ez to track

potent dawn
#

Who wronged this man so hard in JPCs chat

tender tinsel
#

Lmao

onyx crane
#

Is he callin our resident anime gurl, unreliable!?

potent dawn
#

I know I can't believe it

balmy condor
restive falcon
tender tinsel
#

Whospyr what'd you do to this man?

#

Did you break his heart?

onyx crane
#

Maybe he got burnt on a warlock guide or something, tild him to play affli

brittle basin
#

for light cleave fights, is it worth to take caustic over internal bleeding?

#

with the ST dance build

slate crown
#

For anyone who's tried the shock build + blindside and the hybrid build in keys, any particular strengths you prefer with it? I've only done Hybrid build thusfar and I'm pretty happy so far with it

shell lodge
#

which tier do we not want as assasination?

misty comet
#

break the 4pc as soon as you get the new 2pc

onyx crane
#

I think pants has the least favorable stats generally speaking?

#

When in doubt, sim yoself

knotty glade
#

What's the bis weapon enchant now ?

drifting cloud
#

the one that sims highest for your character

faint spoke
#

yesterday I was getting 5 cp out of the garrotes on shadowdance, today I am not, is it me or something changed?

shut owl
#

yes, the bug was fixed

#

no more garrote spam

#

we aren't outlaw

faint spoke
#

ok! so just ambush

onyx crane
#

I did not notice the 5cp garottes

outer cairn
#

what's the play for fyrakk? just spatter?

eternal heath
#

upgrade but lost on the coiled trinket

#

sad

thorn fjord
#

Branch dropped but for the tank 😩

#

Pug tank

#

Rip

outer cairn
#

i need to do more keys

onyx crane
thorn fjord
#

Already got one of my daggers JAMcat

outer cairn
#

did snag betrayer's cinderblade

tender tinsel
#

I need to do keys tomorrow when it drops for EU

eternal heath
tender tinsel
#

Well "tomorrow"

outer cairn
#

yeah i need to run dawn lower

eternal heath
#

sorta

verbal radish
#

Worth macroing Shadow Dance and Kingsbane as one button to streamline?

tender tinsel
#

Later today

fleet wharf
#

do u not refresh rupture with dance in the opener?

shut owl
#

you don't need to, especially if its a rushed opener

eternal heath
#

Oh this neck would be decent with smolderon trinket, no?

#

Unless the extra damage is just negligible lol

tender tinsel
#

How do you accelerate your opener and which fights is it used for?

naive crane
#

hey guys, any of you got a castsequence macro for poisons?

nova flax
#

!fuu

slate crown
#

Video at timestamp, he explains it

prisma monolithBOT
tender tinsel
#

Oh sweet

slate crown
#

(though if you're asking that question, also good to watch the whole vid, if you haven't)

fleet wharf
#

for nightstalker

shut owl
#

if it lines up sure

#

I don't know 100% if thats the call with the most recent bugfixes too tho

tender tinsel
#

I am deaf, blind and my IQ is lukewarm(celcius)

candid goblet
#

what am I missing here

#

SBS sims 2k less

gaunt sigil
#

Its worth immediately going to 476 crafted Boots right?

balmy condor
brazen zodiac
#

;p

tender tinsel
#

Wait what crafted boots?

gaunt sigil
#

Toxic Thorn Footwraps

candid goblet
onyx rain
#

is bloodmallet deceiving us? is pips genuinely our 2nd BIS?

slate crown
# candid goblet SBS sims 2k less

Simmed less for me as well, just about 1.1% on patchwerk. I think it remains an interesting option for split cleave esp something like the council fight. Going to keep both builds and test as I go and see if it shifts around

split grail
#

Did we lose out extra 5yrd of melee range?

gaunt sigil
#

Yes

shut owl
#

the sim isn't considering using it in combination. its using it solo essentially

gaunt sigil
slate crown
# split grail Did we lose out extra 5yrd of melee range?

We lost easy access to the +3 yard range talent. Not 5. There are builds which take it still and you can still access it if you want to get it back. It will run a slight damage loss in pure ST but it may make up for that loss if the fight involves movement in a way that would benefit you.

gaunt sigil
#

I guess technically signet brand is best passive but good luck getting it

#

Everyone wants it

balmy condor
#

simmed higher for me

gaunt sigil
#

Hey Whispy

#

Do we know why Recuperator feels like its doing nothing?

onyx rain
gaunt sigil
#

I just did the whole raid and it only activated 24 times

indigo mulch
#

Your raid leader did what? o_O

gaunt sigil
#

Youre BIS trink from raid is ashes of Embersoul for active and signet brand for passive

#

Pips is second best passive from raid

eternal heath
#

2 rings dropped from Larodar PepeHands

onyx rain
#

yea so the sim is right

#

on bloodmallet

#

witherbark and ashes are bis

rotund wagon
#

my arterial shock st sim isnt so different than my hybrid build sim

#

how many people playin all in on aoe and how does it feel

slate crown
gaunt sigil
onyx rain
#

fair

slate crown
#

Like I did keys earlier only as hybrid build, enjoyed it but haven't tried shock build

lament aurora
#

266k on gnarlroot, this spec feels so good Kreygasm

slate crown
#

I felt like I was able to still pump ST with hybrid no problem

oak ember
#

How many targets is fan > mutilate?

slim pebble
#

!WA

prisma monolithBOT
gaunt sigil
#

Its techniaclly not as bad as some specs cause if you run 2 2min trinks, you use one on your 2 min DM burst and the other on every other SD/KB

fleet pagoda
gaunt sigil
#

I thought fok was >3

oak ember
#

so in 2 targets you would fan over mutilate?

fleet pagoda
#

was it? monkahmm

gaunt sigil
#

Im pretty sure you still mut/amb in 3 target

sonic zinc
#

the big diff in utilitarian build and hybrid build for m+ is acro leth right?

gaunt sigil
#

Id have to ask whispyr

slate crown
#

There I asked whispyr

sonic zinc
#

id imagine u still need to mut for caustic lol

slate crown
#

Fok on 3+ targets

#

CT on 2+

balmy condor
#

what if I told you

fleet pagoda
#

the guide says three or less for FoK

balmy condor
#

it's 2+DTB

fleet pagoda
#

i'm in shambles

slate crown
#

how could u do this to me

#

make me look (more) foolish

balmy condor
#

I mean really it's just 3+

#

minor optimizations are minor

indigo heath
#

Is anyone else doing worse damage post 10.2?

balmy condor
#

god no

#

I'm cranking out of my mind dude

indigo heath
#

Damn it

slate crown
#

Much like ambush / mutilate distinction being such a minor difference, I'm going to pick what's most convenient for me personally.

gaunt sigil
#

I am doing GIGA damage

#

Assa is so much better now

#

Its actually crazy

indigo heath
#

I wonder what I am doing wrong. : /

silk bane
#

i am eating the boss's ass

slate crown
#

based armin

indigo heath
#

I would love to eat ass.

#

I am going to blame in on no aug

silk bane
#

igira didnt stand a chance

#

council?

#

nom onom nom

gaunt sigil
#

Even just going Spatter on most raid boses is crazy aoe damage

#

It feels sooo good

slate crown
#

I keep thinking spatter is just giong to be this minor thing in the back of my head

light knoll
#

kingsbane gameplay feels so good tho

slate crown
#

But it just keeps cranking

vapid skiff
#

ye its bonkers

indigo heath
#

So wierd. I could hit 100k pre patch, now If I am lucky I hit 100k

#

trying to keep energy over 150, not sure what else I could be messing up

rotund wagon
#

that

gaunt sigil
#

Also haste is big value now

#

I run 22% haste and with a WFT you never drop a chain even when you have to rupture

fleet pagoda
indigo heath
#

No

gaunt sigil
#

Practice that

indigo heath
#

also I have almost no haste

autumn frost
#

If we mess up our rotation, do we hold to resync things? Like what's the under over on that.

slate crown
#

Don't worry about the haste part right now

indigo heath
#

I am a total noob whats DM stand for?\

fleet pagoda
#

very important. practice that opener in particular, but the kb and DM windows

#

deathmark

slate crown
#

Get confident in the DM window first

#

before thinking about stats

indigo heath
#

Ok gotcha

gaunt sigil
#

Do you have MRT? One thing I have seen people is use it to make a note to help use their CDs

#

Like this

indigo heath
#

MRT is another one I dont know

gaunt sigil
#

Method Raid Tools

#

It is used for raiders but can be used to make personal notes

indigo heath
#

Ok gotcha have that.

autumn frost
#

The 4+ envenom is taking some to get used to

gaunt sigil
#

I have seen a lot of people put opener on MRT note

#

It helps you learn your buttons really quick

autumn frost
#

I should do that

slate crown
severe sparrow
#

im assuming ashes with dm and all that jazz? any reason not to macro it?

autumn frost
#

It's more muscle memory at this point

indigo heath
#

I need to get weakaurs set up.

gaunt sigil
#

I use afenar

#

but

#

!WA

prisma monolithBOT
gaunt sigil
#

Here are a couple ^

autumn frost
#

Thank you

gaunt sigil
#

They have example pics on the sites

indigo heath
#

ty

slate crown
#

3 of those packs come from people in this discord so we're easy to reach too 🙂

indigo mulch
#

Haha, looking at warcraft logs, its only BM hunters on the frontpage.

slate crown
#

(And Cev)

balmy condor
#

and whispyr

#

(probably not I've been trolling hard)

past bobcat
#

Is sin 2pc 2pc good?

balmy condor
#

great

gaunt sigil
#

2p2p is Pretty good iirc

wet agate
#

Otsdarvaa at it again

#

repping the crew

sullen hollow
#

sin pumping wadu heck

gaunt sigil
#

Mhmm

severe sparrow
#

im fucking up hard and still doing not awful

sullen hollow
#

question is

severe sparrow
#

well, in comparison to the rest of the guild

gaunt sigil
#

I was sitting pretty chill at 130k st most bosses

sullen hollow
#

does sin die when you sit on 4set

keen spruce
#

everyone pogging that sin is cranking

eternal heath
#

pog got tier shoulders

gaunt sigil
#

Dude I was so hype

sullen hollow
#

yeabbut how does it compare to outlul or sub when we get 4set

keen spruce
#

don't care

gaunt sigil
#

I saw a 3.3Mil KB today

eternal heath
#

going to 460 lul

chilly viper
#

full ST fyrakk?

#

or 1 point caustic?

junior aurora
#

my wa is bricked bc i hit like a 10m KB on yalnu

#

will not be hitting a record in normal content now lol

gaunt sigil
#

I took spatter, it only did 1%, just go full ST

#

554k

chilly viper
#

word

#

ty

balmy condor
#

1% spatter

#

on what

gaunt sigil
#

Fyrakk

balmy condor
#

oh

#

yeah probably

gaunt sigil
#

Hey Whispy, do I just slam craft 476 toxic with my thing from raid quest

#

It sims +2k

#

I mean

#

Idk why I ask, what else do I use it on

sullen hollow
#

how does dance sim vs no dance

oak lagoon
#

what are the BiS trinket for m+?

gaunt sigil
#

I dont have the sims on me but Im sure no dance is awful

gaunt sigil
balmy condor
balmy condor
sullen hollow
#

yikesok

oak lagoon
#

ok and Pip/Cata for raid?

lyric cave
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
#

branch cata for raid

spice spire
#

Branch boy my goat

hushed fern
#

Any NA people can tell me which m+ build they where most succsessful with ?

#

for m+

gaunt sigil
#

I use a scuffed tree so dont look to me

hushed fern
#

I wonder if anyone actually use arterial shock build

oak lagoon
#

the branch you mean witherbark

#

or branch of the tormented

restive falcon
#

do we got a pin for the Cruel Dreamcarver dagger from Igira?

eternal heath
#

Holy shit I am bad lol

restive falcon
#

i saw a sheet before but cant find it

eternal heath
#

I did 2 platforms of Tindral without poisons

gaunt sigil
merry raven
#

!dagger

hexed willow
# restive falcon do we got a pin for the Cruel Dreamcarver dagger from Igira?
  • Aberration will grant you Visions of Beyond (Spell ID = 424847). "Upon taking Magic damage, heal for 1% of your total health. This effect cannot occur more than once every 30 seconds. Damage taken by Aberrations increased by s1% (30s cooldown)"

  • Beast will grant you Wildest Dreams (Spell ID = 424848). "Falling damage greatly reduced. While below 50% Health, your Leech is increased by 10%."

  • Critter will grant you Guilty Conscience (Spell ID = 424856). "-10 to all stats. You've taken it too far."

  • Demon will grant you Demonic Dread (Spell ID = 424849). "Shadow damage taken reduced by 6%. Physical damage taken increased by 6%. Holy damage taken increased by 6%."

  • Dragonkin will grant you Devastating Dreams (Spell ID = 424850). "Gain 5% Mounted Speed and Movement Speed. Doubled on continents you have fully explored."

  • Elemental will grant you Elemental Augury (Spell ID = 424851). "Reduces Fire, Frost, and Nature damage taken by 1%. Can walk on water."

  • Giant will grant you Colossal Majesty (Spell ID = 424852). "Stamina increased by 2%. Speed reduced by 5%. Size greatly increased."

  • Humanoid will grant you Whispers of Northrend (Spell ID = 426279). "Shadow Damage taken reduced by 3%. Changes each day." -- Note: It seems to be changing daily based on the description.

  • Mechanical will grant you Dream Salvage (Spell ID = 424854). "+1 Engineering. When you fall below 20% health, heal for 10% of your maximum health. This effect cannot occur more than once every 3 minutes."

  • Undead will grant you Underworld Dreams (Spell ID = 424855). "Reduces Shadow and Frost damage taken by 1%. Additionally, you can breathe underwater indefinitely."

keen spruce
oak lagoon
spice spire
gaunt sigil
#

np

woven hound
#

If the sum of my aspirations equal running +11s max all season, should I be running arterial shock?

celest helm
#

how does 2 set work in AOE does it just build up and maintain?

thorny pond
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
indigo heath
#

I love you all. damage is back up to sim numbers

gusty mirage
#

@drifting cloud Okay

gentle flower
#

which guide

#

should i follow for assasination

#

Wowhead or icyveins

gusty mirage
#

they have very similar information

#

pick whichever format works best for you

hexed willow
#

aren't both basically by whispyr?

gusty mirage
#

well no, because seli writes the IV guide

hexed willow
#

ahh

#

good to know

gusty mirage
#

but they collaborate

#

like fuu and I did for sub

gentle flower
#

okay im following whispyr

gusty mirage
#

(don't use the IV sub one yet, I haven't finished updating it to include shadowdust (: )

drifting cloud
gaunt sigil
gusty mirage
gaunt sigil
#

Oh

frigid kestrel
#

Seli

gusty mirage
frigid kestrel
#

Writes Icey

gaunt sigil
#

Its so good

oak tangle
#

which doti dungeon is the dagger from, and why does my dungeon journal not differentiate

blazing jewel
#

this raid fucks

oak tangle
#

ty

weak cypress
#

!Wa

prisma monolithBOT
violet moat
#

everyone running the arterial precision build for M+?

merry raven
#

any talent swaps i can make for council? this fight feels awful

#

or do i just need to wait for tanks to learn how to position better

balmy condor
#

bone spike and pray

slow chasm
#

just got tier helm

balmy condor
#

I died on our kill

merry raven
#

dropping what for spike?

balmy condor
balmy condor
eternal heath
#

Fyrakk seems like quite the fight

covert pulsar
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
oak lagoon
#

Wait you play with Serrated bone Whispyr?

balmy condor
#

yep it's like 1k better for m,e

oak lagoon
#

how do you see that

#

sim ?

balmy condor
#

yep

oak lagoon
#

sry im kinda new

#

kk

minor gate
#

Over dashing?

junior aurora
#

arterial precision, do you still save both shiv charges for KB?

balmy condor
#

build in the pins

junior aurora
#

word thanks

oak lagoon
#

how do you see which like talent/build is better for you

balmy condor
#

you sim it

oak lagoon
#

can you give your talents?

slim pebble
#

Spatter worth it on Larodar?

dark light
#

whats everyones biggest kingsbane of the night

lavish whale
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they fixed the garrote on deathmark? peepomad

cursive jungle
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is there a talent that procs kingsbane or deathmark? i'm now to assa kek

balmy condor
desert inlet
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shrouded suffocation hotfix feels bad

desert inlet
lavish whale
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so new plan I assume is to just reapply garrote on vanish?

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and ambush for cb?

balmy condor
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guide

oak tangle
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what am i doing so wrong for garrote to be my top dps in keys

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by like 50% on anything else

balmy condor
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garrote good

tough gorge
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Why is that bad for garrotte?

oak tangle
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so it's normal? someone was posting and things were much more equal for them

balmy condor
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depends on the build and the dungeon

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but it's not not normal

tough gorge
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Yeah it’s not gonna be the same % every time, 50% more than 2nd is rather high tho

oak tangle
tough gorge
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Check rupture up time

balmy condor
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okay yeah that's crazy high

tough gorge
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That’s 80% more

balmy condor
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would expect to see ct higher

vague lion
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When to break old 4p? I have 2p already

balmy condor
tough gorge
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I think your other bleeds are falling off to much

oak tangle
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likely, still getting used to timings

minor gate
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How is the energy economy without dashing?

oak tangle
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what would an ideal order be of damage, just push up rup / ct, or should kb be higher

spice spire
minor gate
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Also I’m on eu servers so when does this fix go live?

unique sorrel
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
eternal heath
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Normal cleared

somber sparrow
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who do you use the cruel dagger on for the stats

balmy condor
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no one

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cause it doesn't do damage

bronze seal
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dragons for speed i think no?

eternal heath
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Feeling good about sin