assassination

[spiral pasture]

outlaw is for sure the hardest its been lol

[lucid silo]

outlaw has a lot of buttons and theres a lot of shit going on very quickly

[exotic pulsar]

Dude there's no way you think new outlaws hard haha

[fallen forge]

outlaw is 100% harder than shadowlands s3/4

with ping fuck yea it is lmao

[midnight mist]

outlaw is definitly one of its hardest iteration rn

[exotic pulsar]

Well I guess ping can make anything hard

[eternal heath]

Legion outlaw was goated

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-ping-pingus-bingus-cat-gif-18905873

[spiral pasture]

even without ping outlaw is hardest its been in so long

[eternal heath]

Roll 5 or 6 dice and youre God for 40s

[crimson crest]

its punishing af rn

[eternal heath]

Now, 70% of the time it feels like shit

[royal lantern]

thats such a bait

nobody is even taking it

[fallen forge]

nah a lot of specs if you fuck up its whatever

if you mess up bte timing its gg

[exotic pulsar]

Okay my question is how do you mess that up though? It's very simple to only use BTE during stealth windows in keys

[earnest remnant]

same goes for the two other specs

[royal lantern]

i dont think you played a lot of spec then lol

[spiral pasture]

looool stealthi name

[royal lantern]

"fucking something up? whatever" is not really the case for most lol

[exotic pulsar]

I know im single target you can optimize by using BTE when vanish has over 45 seconds on CD, but in keys. Fuck all that nonsense and literally just only use it in stealth windows and you'll never misstime it

[earnest remnant]

fuck up KB = dmg gone
fuck up vanish resets on sub = dmg gone

[fallen forge]

ye but harder to fuck up kb than bte bc kb is fairly predictable rotation

[midnight mist]

I mean you have to react to procs/cds coming back with a 0.8s gcd perma, and not fuck that up once

[grim jay]

"ursol deez nuts" - Whispyr 2k23

[fallen forge]

the unpredictability of outlaw with high ping is what makes it hard

[median flicker]

we dont like nelth trinket anymore right it got hella nerfed?

[midnight mist]

but ye its easy you just press bte

[fallen forge]

[earnest remnant]

so is not pressing BTE if you are soon gonna vanish or dance

its the same shit

[fallen forge]

no im talking about towards the end of subterfuge

[midnight mist]

[earnest remnant]

you legit have a timer

[midnight mist]

me when people tell me outlaw is hard

[remote grail]

!wa

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[midnight mist]

payphone spec fr

[viral aurora]

any of the rift trinkets good? upgrade to 450 blastalast!

[exotic pulsar]

Just use the weak aura that makes a loud sound of your choice every time you get a proc. And even if you miss the proc and use dispatch instead of BTE during dance it's not like that kills your damage. You'll just do slightly less damage during one global. It's not going to mess up your entire rotation or anything

[grim jay]

the shamalayne/doomhammer is pretty decent

[spiral pasture]

when was outlaw harder in recent expacs

[midnight mist]

not really about using dispatch in stealth but ok

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-crush-crusher-skull-halloween-gif-26163235

[exotic pulsar]

Like the only way that new outlaw can be messed up at all is using BTE outside of a stealth window

[quasi solar]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
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[midnight mist]

should delete that

[slim hamlet]

yup

[vapid sierra]

what does kb shiv and deathmark order look like

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/nuke-press-button-gif-14853646

[slim hamlet]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[grim jay]

alphabetical is deathmark kingsbane and shiv

[eternal heath]

Lmao

[viral aurora]

is it really?

[slate crown]

I meant as assa are fun

[grim jay]

sim it. for me it was better than beacon on sub atleast

[viral aurora]

will do, ty mate

[grim jay]

and better than the other options aswell

[flint lotus]

Sorry for the noob question but I can't find the answer in the wowhead guide. Aside from Deadly Poison, what poisons should I use?

[royal lantern]

dm>shiv>kb

or just check the guide

[manic quartz]

deadly/amp, anthropic

[flint lotus]

Nice, thanks!

[lyric silo]

Watching JPC atm anyone know why he's getting 5/6 combo for every envenom and not casting it on 4?

[subtle tundra]

cause it dont matter

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/265880746537779200/775798955912855592/kneel2.gif

[grim jay]

you should really stop watching what people do on reworked specs in the beginning

[royal lantern]

+it doesnt matter

4 or 5cp is not even in the 0,2% area

iirc

[slim hamlet]

Wait is Stealthi in liquid?

[grim jay]

yes

[eternal heath]

Yep

[slim hamlet]

Damn

[royal lantern]

he is not in liquid

[slim hamlet]

Didn't know

[royal lantern]

cant you read??

[grim jay]

legends say he founded liquid

[slim hamlet]

[earnest remnant]

believe or not, sometimes even what you would consider some of best players do suboptimal things cuz of muscle memory and feel

[grim jay]

but pulled the strings in the shadows

[vapid sierra]

should we prio vanish or shadowdance

[earnest remnant]

fuck all of you

[grim jay]

like a real rogue

[slim hamlet]

for free?

[subtle tundra]

fuck you

[royal lantern]

i only listen to liquid players

[eternal heath]

Rn?

[royal lantern]

[grim jay]

take us out to dinner

[slim hamlet]

^

[grim jay]

we have some pride

[eternal heath]

Applebee's is all rogues deserve

[lucid silo]

!wa

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[slim hamlet]

Did he write that and insta leave channel?

[eternal heath]

Hates us confirmed

[outer cairn]

If he’s not liquid, is he solid?

[slim hamlet]

He wasn't kidding

[slim hamlet]

nah he gas

[subtle tundra]

what if he types everything twice

[royal lantern]

maybe even a snake?

[subtle tundra]

is he echo?

[eternal heath]

Totally plasma

[outer cairn]

And Project mayhem he’s nothing but death he’s Robert Paulson

[swift magnet]

I heard there is a bug that makes garrote better to spam than ambush in Dance, what is it?

[slim hamlet]

Never happened

was a fever dream

[outer cairn]

I’m just glad to be off work early so I can get on and start playing

[earnest remnant]

shrouded + dm iirc

just gives you alot of cps

[slim hamlet]

Will be bugfixed as fast as they can

so I would recommend acting like it don't exist

[eternal heath]

1 hour left on work

[earnest remnant]

abuse often and early

[slim hamlet]

Worked for people on blossoms

[blazing roost]

how are the keys na friends?

looking at raider io they are kinda easy?

[earnest remnant]

imagine getting caught '

[outer cairn]

Yeah, I saw that change the open to not do that so I assume it’s still good to do that

[viral spire]

its not a bug afaik, since its been this way since new talent system was introduced in DF prepatch

[slim hamlet]

It is

Otherwise I wouldn't say it with utmost certainty

[outer cairn]

So literally just grow in venom spam during shadow dance and death Mark

Garrote^

[slim hamlet]

^ about ss cp from dm garrote

[dusty trellis]

is there any WA that can track amount of raptures that i applied on enemies near me ?

[limber lion]

Yes but theu're not good

Or necessary

Don't fall for it

[slim hamlet]

Plater fucks

[outer cairn]

Gotcha. So don’t even bother

[slim hamlet]

I wouldn't

Getting muscle memory for low dmg increase for like a week

!details

[prisma monolith]

To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1173432355785027584/details_vanish.png

[full summit]

What enchants should I use? likeee for cloak feet and wrists? speed, avoidance, or leech?

[slim hamlet]

Where the frick is "overal data"

Found it

[cerulean nest]

are sims working correctly?

trinkets and all?

[eternal heath]

[midnight mist]

what happen if you play this thing

with the orbs trinket

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[obtuse robin]

but im a outlaw gamer

[grave sail]

do you macro shadow dance + kingsbane as assa?

[obtuse robin]

[white orchid]

which is the lower half of DOI?

[vapid sierra]

zac's been spending too much trime in this channel

[slim hamlet]

Yea something sus going on

[shy axle]

!fuu

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[midnight mist]

no idk just thinking

[vapid sierra]

dont tell me your leaving us

[strange python]

We are still using tea on DM and then 6sec left on Kingsbane again in opener right ?

[midnight mist]

im speedrunning learning sin rn

I have been putting it off

learned sub but not sin

[vapid sierra]

its the same to me

only hard thing is dance/vanish usage

in aoe

[obtuse robin]

i might be learning sin to o.o

[midnight mist]

big

[latent copper]

How do you see, if its an empowered garrote or rupture?

[visual shuttle]

Why? You also Think this raid tier is sin ?

[eternal heath]

That you have or that is on the target?

[midnight mist]

even if its not sin tier sin will be better on latter bosses

can just play outlaw on bosses that have damage amps

[grand trail]

no way you do keys as sin

[midnight mist]

uh?

mo

why would i do that

are you mad

[grand trail]

good than

[midnight mist]

crazy man

[grand trail]

i predicted this before ptr

sin raid outlaw m+

and sub in dust because sub was superior for whole year

[kind forge]

Literally

[inner swift]

why the hell not

[spice spire]

You’re right you’re not based enough for that

[cunning basin]

Sin is cracked in keys too

Tbh

[visual shuttle]

Anyone already testet sin in m+ is it good enough?

[spice spire]

Yes

[willow barn]

Goes why does wow head say we should finish on 4+cp we don't take the 6cp talent anymore? Pure st whise

[reef geode]

Ive done some insane burst AOE in keys

[viral aurora]

it is amazing. hybrid spec rocks everything 😄

[visual shuttle]

I would be happy if i could pull some fine m+ dmg as sin for atleast just 16-22 Keys

[spice spire]

For 16-22 you could always be at least kind of relevant

[viral aurora]

at least on tyra, I enjoyed hybrid more. Prolly in fort I would do arterial spec though

[spice spire]

Sin looks like the average Joe can do much higher this season

[eternal heath]

I gotta check out hybrid still

[runic hinge]

what if im below joe

[kind forge]

You are not

[spice spire]

Who’s Joe

[kind forge]

You are the best

[runic hinge]

JOE MAMA

[eternal heath]

Me I hope

[spice spire]

[runic hinge]

I'm the best rogue in my guild (I'm the only rogue)

[bleak ivy]

that also makes you the worst

[kind forge]

See: I knew you are the best

[runic hinge]

More accurate representation

[brazen zodiac]

mood

[young nymph]

since i never played assa in m+, how are we going to do a dmg stop on bursting weeks? as sub it's no problem but with the new execute i see a big wiping potential 😄

[runic hinge]

:3

[orchid pewter]

healer problem tbh

[rain remnant]

It shouldn't be much of an issue, but you can just avoid redotting targets you don't want to die too soon. Old dots with hardly any time left probably won't proc sudden demise.

[spice spire]

Cloak + healer issue

[young nymph]

probably this, and maybe it's not as big of a deal in higher keys and I'm just worring about nothing ^^

[stable atlas]

!wa

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[slim pebble]

Unbind cloak and realize it's just a healer issue = profit

[night delta]

could somebody tell me what's the spatter range ?

making a custom wa

[runic hinge]

I think 10

[spice surge]

10 from the mob

[night delta]

'kay, thanks

[strange python]

Is demo pretty good in lower keys like 8-10 (feel like they just destroying me)

[night delta]

you'd feel destroyed in any key where you don't have much time to setup

[hexed willow]

Demo is solid until 22 last season

[night delta]

which I guess could definitely happen in 8-10 keys

[strange python]

yeah - i'm just getting back in the swing of things - so tough to judge, and can't get invites to anything higher yet so

[rain remnant]

Also, assassination rogues don't aoe perfectly evenly. When you shiv it's gonna hit 5 targets and really amp you dmg on those targets naturally staggering the health bars and the time the mob dies.

[strange python]

keeping up with BM and Enhance though

[sweet zealot]

is improved garrote only supposed to be used for the bleed, not to spam?

[hexed willow]

It’s briefly spammed during DM

See the updates wowhead rotation/or whispyr’s video

[rain remnant]

Garrote is a dot so no don't spam it

[hexed willow]

Or if there are >5/>7 targets

[eternal heath]

Enhance may be my 2nd choice this season

That or ele

[rain remnant]

Get it on mobs, ideally with indiscriminate carnage during your subterfuge window

So in m+ you can use it 3 times in a row during subterfuge to spread powerful garrotes

But after that, I don't re garrote trash unless I vanish or dance

[unkempt tangle]

does acro increase carnage range ?

[hexed willow]

Isn’t that not necessarily the best strategy since you want the energy flow from garrote?

[rain remnant]

Depends on target count

Yes on boss no on lots of mobs

[sweet zealot]

i was mainly talking about ST

[hexed willow]

And scent of blood?

[rain remnant]

Yea single target reapply garrote in pandemic window

Scent of blood is rupture

[hexed willow]

I mean sure if there’s adds that won’t live but AOE you want to maintain it

[rain remnant]

No, adds that won't live long get dotted too with sudden demise

It fixed a huge problem with sin, where we could only do dmg to mobs that live long enough to dot

[hexed willow]

So why did you say “Yes on boss no on lots of mobs”

[rain remnant]

But on aoe, if you are not stealthed / subterfuge dont hit garrote evwr

It's a waste of a global

[lucid rain]

it ain't much, but it's a start lol

[hexed willow]

So why does the wowhead guide say to maintain it in AOE

[rain remnant]

Trust me in 10 target cleave a single garrote with no stealth buff and indiscriminate carnage is not worth it

If your garrote runs out, dance and garrote the whole pack

That's huge dmg

Don't just tab target single garrotes that is actually foolish

[hexed willow]

@balmy condor is this the right play for large target cleave?

[sweet zealot]

is there some way of tracking when a garrote is improved?

[rain remnant]

With weakauras yea

[rotund wagon]

love me a good old source: trust me bro

[rain remnant]

I know luxthos does a good job with it

[thorny aurora]

Do we spam garrotes in sd/kb window?

As a builder

Or ambush

[rain remnant]

Aoe or ST?

[thorny aurora]

ST

Saw Jpc do it so I'm wondering

[rain remnant]

What souce does the wow head article site?

That's trust me bro too

[steel ridge]

will be fixed

[spice spire]

Except 99% of what went into the article could have been seen here in sims during the PTR cycle

[thorny aurora]

Wdym

Its an unintented bug?

[hexed willow]

Uh it’s Whispyr doing sims and testing?

[fallen forge]

ur moms an unintended bug hehe

[rain remnant]

Where is that sited?

[fallen forge]

sry ive been playing outlaw for the past few keys

[spice spire]

In a thread that people can’t see anymore

But it was here

[steel ridge]

realz said its not intended to let that garrote behavior alter the rotation, so its on the bucket list

[spice spire]

And it’s stored 🙂

[balmy condor]

bro can't I just deplete my keys

[rain remnant]

So trust me bro

[spice spire]

?

[balmy condor]

why the fuck we yellin

[fallen forge]

wym

who yelling at u

[spice spire]

Source?

[hexed willow]

Someone said to trust them not to maintain garrote on large packs and it’s a waste of a gcd

And I’m questioning it

[rain remnant]

No, I said vanish or dance

Don't apply non subterfuge garrotes in aoe

It's a waste of a global

[balmy condor]

once you're energy satured you don't cleave single garrotes

[random atlas]

!fuu

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[hexed willow]

So what point is energy saturation?

[thorny aurora]

Isn't it more damage to just mutilate with caustic spatter

[balmy condor]

mutilate doesn't spatter

[rain remnant]

Garrote and rupture give you energy when they tick on a mob with deadly poison. Energy saturation is when you are gaining energy faster than you can spend.

[thorny aurora]

Doesn't it apply the caustic spatter?

[rain remnant]

It applies it and nature DMG you do after it is applied splashes

[stiff vale]

has anyone been randomly getting popped out of stealth a lot?

[summer mica]

ok so first time trying out asse but do I understand if right that its pretty much (simpled down)

• keep bleeds/poisen/sad up and build with mutilate and spend with envenom
• cds pop bleeds in dance for harder bleeds and deathmark to make them even stronger
• shive to make it more spicy

am I missing somthing?

[slate crown]

!wa

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!fuu

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[slate crown]

These packs have improved tracking

[rain remnant]

Also, I am not sure what the guide says, but until you get the new tier I have been doing more damage with internal bleeding over caustic splatter. The new 4 PC will probably change this up though.

Internal bleeding is easier to play too

[drifting cedar]

can I macro deathmark and potion?

[summer mica]

anyone?

[rain remnant]

Yes, but deathmark is on the global and has a shortish range so becareful

[balmy condor]

that's cooked

[rain remnant]

It makes for huge sudden demise procs

[balmy condor]

that's not a good thing

[rain remnant]

Why not?

[balmy condor]

cause that means you're applying ruptures to targets right before they die

trolling

sudden demise is inherently inefficient damage

[rain remnant]

Yea, and it procs sudden demise at a high hp pool

Makes your overall dmg higher

[balmy condor]

[rain remnant]

I've had a 1.2 mil demise hit

[sweet zealot]

one more thing, this is kinda hard to time properly but still curious, when do we want PI?

[spice surge]

On deathmark

[balmy condor]

with dm

[rain remnant]

Try internal bleeding, pop dance at like 40% full redot and watch yourself do insane dmg

[spice surge]

Not having spatter for your kingsbane

Is AWFUL

[viral aurora]

what? 1mill demise? how

[balmy condor]

why would I do that

sudden demise is not efficient damage

[rotund wagon]

Deliberately popping cds at the end of packs so they intentionally get cut short seems meh

[balmy condor]

I mean it's just pad

[spice surge]

You get either:
A. A tiny bleed
B. Your massive burst spells are now aoe

[rain remnant]

Well thats fine but most people don't think like that, they want to top overall

[spice surge]

What do you pick?

[rain remnant]

It's not just a tiny bleed

[spice surge]

It is

[balmy condor]

then drop iron wire I guess yolo fuck it

[rain remnant]

It goes on every target you rupture

[spice surge]

Compared to spatter

Its nothing

[balmy condor]

depelete the key

but at least I'm top dps

NICE

[rain remnant]

No it's actually a ton of dmg, try it

[spice surge]

You do you buddy

[balmy condor]

I'm trying to complete my keys

[deft vault]

is the questline a passed torch available yet?

[balmy condor]

I'll stick to caustic

thanks though

[rain remnant]

That's a bit much, or time the key and be the top dps

[craggy sierra]

How much are people doing overall in keys?

On sin

[viral aurora]

how much overall are you doing that way

[manic quartz]

caustic is just superior in every way that is meaningful

[craggy sierra]

Dps

[coarse bear]

If you only care about being top dmg in keys just go play havoc XD

[balmy condor]

I'm not going to pad my dps by stealing damage from the rest of my group and purposely dotting mobs that are going to die to get inefficient damage pops

[craggy sierra]

I'm just trying to see how high people are doing to see if I'm doing ok

[rain remnant]

We timed btw

[rain remnant]

It kills them faster, not sure why enemies dieing sooner is bad

[young nymph]

fastest way to understand what you need to do is probably watching whispyrs video about rota

[twin dirge]

why cant we use canniblize in combat. other races can use their spells in combat

i want to outplay someone with eating and healing

[strange python]

this is a valid point

[rain remnant]

Just saying, internal bleeding is super easy to use, never need to mutilate a central target or even swap to envenom spaming

[runic hinge]

And its worse in any aoe situation

[rain remnant]

It just goes on every target you rupture

And it's calculated in to sudden demise dmg

[runic hinge]

And you'll do less damage than having spatter

and sudden demise is just so your bleeds dont get wasted

[spice surge]

Astute observations

[loud light]

this is a weird feelcraft argument for sure

[balmy condor]

ok

[rain remnant]

Just saying, try a key with it. I have played both caustic and internal bleeding and prefer internal bleeding by quite a bit

[summer mica]

Ty did i get the base right atleast?

[young nymph]

yes, you want your bleeds up and your poisons / dont starve your self with mutilate + envenom

[runic hinge]

I did 7 20's last week and caustic spatter was huge in all of them

[rain remnant]

I also had a substantial dmg spike with internal bleeding

[rain remnant]

Did you try internal bleeding?

[slim hamlet]

Anyone knows how to change plater, so when KB for example has 6 seconds left it says 6 instead of 5

[runic hinge]

why would i when its worse?

[manic quartz]

im pretty sure its tested and found to be inferior

[slim hamlet]

So it doesn't have the 0 included

[spice surge]

If you want to convince people you'll need more data than "trust me bro"

[rain remnant]

So you can make a valid comparison

[strange python]

I haven't messed with it - but is their a rounding settings. Sounds like one is floor, one is ceiling?

[slim hamlet]

All I see is this :/

[manic quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-discord-several-people-are-typing-gif-14536067

[unkempt tangle]

Are you also not getting Nightstlaker sometimes when vanishing ?

[runic hinge]

How is it being numerically worse not a valid comparison?

[unkempt tangle]

I get improved garrotes, so I have properly stealthed

[spice surge]

its tied to subterfuge, and subterfuge breaks if you use a trinket during it

Aka you probably have bomb macroed to something

[strange python]

yeah i dunno - seems like it does "floor" rounding - and since you're not showing decimals, just beat. i could check the source code if you really want me to go that deep

[unkempt tangle]

ow shit

fkc bomb

thanks @spice surge

[rain remnant]

Its not worse. It's easier to use and made me do more dmg

[strange python]

it'd have to be tomorrow though

[slim hamlet]

Nah it's fine I just wanted it to be the same as everything else

[spice spire]

SOURCE

?

[rain remnant]

My own expierences

[runic hinge]

Just because you're bad at using spatter doesnt mean your feel craft is correct

[rain remnant]

I didn't use it poorly

[manic quartz]

doesnt demise become worse the higher the key ?

[strange python]

Spatter is just too fun for me lol

[rain remnant]

I actually liked it a bunch, then tried internal bleeding and like it more

[runic hinge]

If spatter isn't in your top 5 for your damage overall you used it poorly

[spice spire]

Ironic that “trust me bro” complaint started this and is now the source

[rain remnant]

You do lots more passive DMG and have bigger demises

[spice spire]

[slim pebble]

I thought we had longer before the first feelcraft of the season

[strange python]

You get off a nice KB on a prio target - spatter is just stoopid good

[slim hamlet]

I'm suprised it took this long

[runic hinge]

Bruh demise is innefficiet the damage of demise has to be 200% you're losing 50% of your bleeds ledt

[loud light]

sudden demise doesn't just come out of nowhere

[strange python]

Can you post your breakdown screen?

[ornate jetty]

i am giga shocked when i saw 1m burst in the last boss of everbloom (5m kingsbane dmg on this one o.O)

does that boss have some x2 x3 dmg phases kinda thing?

[slim hamlet]

What kinda KB nubmers are people getting

[rain remnant]

On my phone so I cant

[loud light]

it's damage that would've been done had the mobs been alive longer, so it's only "real" damage contribution if it finishes the pack or enables you to chain pull

[spice surge]

2.8% spatter

Brother

[strange python]

I'm hovering around 1M per spatter...at 336

oh you mean overall

[slim hamlet]

Just one KB on ST

[strange python]

yeah bout 1M it seems most of the time for me

[ornate jetty]

this is my damage breakdown for everbloom

[slim hamlet]

Got a 1.2 mil one and thought it was bad

pog

[strange python]

I mean it could be i dunno it could be super ilvl related.

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

I'll take it as a W for now

[strange python]

If you're shiving at 8, tea at 6, and vanishing at 3 - it's kinda hard to mess up

Easier to do on a target dummy than "in the real world" though lol (for me anyway)

What's your ilvl @slim hamlet

[slim hamlet]

443, but not using pots and trinkets and shit just trying to do the whole vanish, tea shit

[slim pebble]

Saw someone get a 2.3 mil

[manic quartz]

pulled 1.8m today

[strange python]

yeah - that whole sequence makes me feel like i have a smoll brain

[slim hamlet]

and I can't get logs to work on dummy so I need to use clips to see if I do it right

[ornate jetty]

[slate crown]

yah same, just a casual day one branch Unfort from a 16 not a 17

Just a casual 5.6% dps upgrade

[slim hamlet]

Mods?

one ban?

[slate crown]

Am I getting nuked?

[slim hamlet]

Hopefully

At least u got it too early

no full upgrade for u bozo

[slate crown]

Yah

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/take-the-l-bozo-gif-25355134

[strange python]

ugh...interested to see how this raid night goes

[grim jay]

id be tilted if I drop it on anything lower than a 17

[slim hamlet]

(can't wait to get it in a +2 tomorrow)

[strange python]

is 17 the next "track"?

[dark token]

When you play blindside dungeon build do you use ur free blindside procs on aoe?

Or nah

[manic quartz]

blindside in m+?

[strange python]

I pretend blindside doesn't exist

oh wait - it doesn't in hybrid build

[dark token]

Nah there is a AP blindside build that sims best

[kind forge]

For spatter you would use it, no?

[spice spire]

[dark token]

+2.5k over normal AP build

[kind forge]

*to proc it, I mean

[slate crown]

It's ok I can take one for the team

[placid kraken]

How is Sin doing in M+?

[spice spire]

Great

[balmy condor]

holy zdps in single target lmao

[spice spire]

Play it and try

[balmy condor]

bros trying to heal bosses

[dark token]

Yeah this is why we wanted to start with 17s

And I suffered through the 29

[strange python]

It's not the greatest in lower keys - when you also have front-loaded damage specs (i'll say that much) but if stuff is dying that fast anyway, dmg is kinda irrelevant anyway.

[dark token]

It's a dungeon build

[prisma cypress]

i haven’t tried the new sin in m+ yet but it kind of intimidates me

[dark token]

Pretty sure it's more st DPS than the existing AP build

[balmy condor]

there is no shot

I mean maybe the AP build

[spice spire]

Don’t be intimidated. You’re gaming

[balmy condor]

but it's still zdps single target

[strange python]

When there's a pack with a target that can live through kingsbane - it slaps hard.

[prisma cypress]

do i basically always save dance and vanish for IC?

[placid kraken]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[slim hamlet]

1.3 KB

[strange python]

you on the dummy?

[slim hamlet]

ya

EU gamer nothing else to do

[strange python]

yeah i mean i think you got it man

[slim hamlet]

Finally taking the time

Fixing some weakauras too

[keen spruce]

why's everyone typing so much go do content

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/aet-gif-21304066

[keen spruce]

except for the eu bozos

[manic quartz]

EU sadge

[flint tusk]

Sooooooooo. anyone changed Luxthos's WA to make combo point 4 show green instead of 5 and up. don't know where he has hidden that trigger.

[strange python]

cause now i gotta stuff my face with food - then raid in 1 hour and 4 minutes

[keen spruce]

[lucid rain]

last boss of everbloom

[strange python]

i got 3 upgrades - and i called it

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eraSmFNGLNJU1MrhKQ7KCY here's the ST sim between the DTB, AP, and my test build

It's more single target than the recommend DTB hybrid build

[strange python]

I've got two candidates for my first tier charge

[prisma cypress]

i did but i’m not home right now to screenshot the changes

[dark token]

And it's more overall dslice dps

[flint tusk]

if you remember when you get home hook a bro up.

this guys WA is so complex it's nut xD

[cerulean nest]

any new trinket simming news?

[strange python]

107 is low cause i sim at 107 at 338 ilvl

and by 338 i mean 438

[dark token]

U nonce it's the AP build

Ofc it's 107

[spice spire]

I retired bozo

[slim hamlet]

Bro when are they adding CD refreshing at dummies

[strange python]

lol like an npc to click to reset all cds?

not a bad idea but i can't help but feel someone would find some way to take advantage of it

[slim hamlet]

Something like that

[slim hamlet]

yea probably

Going in and out of instanced

[nova wraith]

world pvp with army of the dead

[slim hamlet]

5Head

[nova wraith]

:' )

[fast pilot]

is the 4 piece bugged for yalnu in everbloom?

[manic quartz]

bruh i made some KB weakaura and had to always wait 1min to change shit 😄

[hexed willow]

Same thing happening for outlaw

[night delta]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slim hamlet]

Thanks for beta testing NA gamers

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-salute-gif-24255323

[glacial grotto]

i assaume we wanna do quick opener if we have a spriest PI'ing us?

[neat horizon]

Jpc gonna get rogue nerfed

[slim hamlet]

The classic 1st week nerf with old tier piece and gear

[glacial grotto]

hopefully bm tank the nerf for us

[distant helm]

details is a bit weird to look at bc of aug though

[flint tusk]

^

[slim hamlet]

True and PI

well not a details thing

and idek if he is getting PI

[cinder geode]

how we feeling about sin so far

[spice surge]

Normal 3 minute fights are good for a burst class getting aug buffs and PI?

Aint no way

[distant helm]

hes getting pi+aug

[slate crown]

Probably, though ideally they'd be waiting to PI you until naturally DM

[slim hamlet]

Has that stopped tuning before?

[vapid sierra]

in the section on wowhead about rotation theres nothing about dance/vanish usage and when to hold/send in st i ndepth

[nova wraith]

No way they nerf Sin just because we take PI/Aug/Windfury really well :)))

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-cope-harder-gif-23166317

[flint tusk]

yeh that won't happen

[distant helm]

what confuses me a bit though, he uses garrote to build cp the entire shadow dance duration and my sims usually says to use ambush

[green hatch]

its a bug right now

what i heard about

[distant helm]

ah so its correct to garrote?

[slim hamlet]

dirty bug exploiter

[hoary remnant]

Ashes of the Embersoul better then signet for sin? Or is it sim bait?

[slim hamlet]

"correct" as in it is a bug that will be fixed soon

[flint tusk]

he's basically abusing a bug. but it's existed for ages. but now it's a problem and being played around it'll get fixed

[green hatch]

nah usually this shouldnt work, but as a bug it builds full cp

[distant helm]

ahhh

[slim hamlet]

and does minor dmg increase

[spice surge]

Y'all know whats going to happen. Theyre gonna nerf assa and outlaw and we somehow end up with yet another sub tier

[flint tusk]

ye

[distant helm]

pls no

[green hatch]

+1

[cinder geode]

how much of a damage increase is the bug compared to just using ambush ?

[slim hamlet]

I already told my guild this exact thing will happen

[slim hamlet]

I believe it was 0.3%

[cinder geode]

oh so were barely gonna feel it at all when it gets fixed

[green hatch]

it doesnt matter if you aint a rwf raider i guess xd, lets see if he will play like this in progress too

[slim hamlet]

nop

[grim jay]

cant remember the last time sin got nerfed early just for other specs to surpass its unnerfed state anways... oh wait

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[thorn fjord]

Laughs in S1

[slim hamlet]

^

nah not this time

Realz said "what if sin meta?"

[thorn fjord]

WE SHINE THIS TIME

[flint tusk]

yeh bro wtf you smoking Davyn?
we got nerfed for 8 weeks in a row in season 1 lol

[grim jay]

no he said "what sin meta?"

[slate crown]

Human racial in bloom was p nice

[slim hamlet]

[grim jay]

you know that thing.. uhm.. whats it called

[slate crown]

at least for learning the place

[grim jay]

the thing where you say something you dont mean

[green hatch]

seriously its whatever, if they nerf it they nerf it, you can play w/e you like tbh

[grim jay]

laughs in windwalker

[glacial grotto]

800k crit cripes

[noble rock]

Hi, if i understand it correctly sanguine blades, if i am above 50% of my energy it will incrise my damage done?

[spice surge]

Correct

[green hatch]

nah literally everybody just blindfolded from this 'meta' , meta here meta there, who cares xd

[noble rock]

thank you, and with 30%?

[grim jay]

the dungeonfinder warriors

[spice surge]

What

[slim hamlet]

Literaly everyone

[grim jay]

and the people that push

[placid kraken]

Is it safe to macro Ambush and Mutilate together?

[green hatch]

ye thats the sad part, everyone, but only because everyone is talking about it

[placid kraken]

or is there a situation where you can cast Ambush but want to Mut instead?

[grim jay]

it naturally gets replaced

[placid kraken]

oh does it? sweet

[slim hamlet]

It's part of the fun of the game for 90%

[grim jay]

honestly I always play one of the 2 rogue specs anyways

so he kinda is right somewhat

[slim hamlet]

I mean if sin is dog I just unsub

best option is for all 3 specs to be good to have alternatives

Which is right now

[grim jay]

you mean unsub or unsub

[grim jay]

he said 3

[slim hamlet]

If I need to play sub in raid I aint playing

[distant helm]

you only do this shadow dance garrote building with dm right?

[slate crown]

I don't do it at all.

[green hatch]

why are you in need of playing it ? are you some kind of rwf raider ? then its something different, if you raid for fun you never NEED to play any specc

[slate crown]

It's not in the guide

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/diesofcringe-gif-24606059

[green hatch]

ye seriously

[slim hamlet]

I will refer to this message

Why do u care what I think is fun about the game

[thorny onyx]

Is garr-env spam still up to date , I see jpc doing it, I thought it was something that was going to get fixed, maybe on its way?

[slim hamlet]

This whole "u aint a rwf player why do u not wanna play" well because I don't

[noble rock]

Do you know any weakaure that tracs your energy bar and show when it hits 50%?

[green hatch]

dafuq are you talking about xd

[slim hamlet]

I don't think I made any spelling mistakes

[green hatch]

w/e bro

[slim hamlet]

sick

[thorn timber]

hey - I didn't play much assassination in 10.1 so never knew the rotation for it. With Aberrus 4p, do you change anything about how you use deathmark/kingsbane? it reads to me like you would want to kingsbane ~50% through deathmark to get the biggest increased damage

[glacial grotto]

are we finishing at 4 or >4

[slim hamlet]

4+

[slim hamlet]

No you just use KB in DM to get extra stacks faster

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[vague leaf]

question, I'm watching a whispyr vid about aoe rotation, and I see He's running tea? however see in the wowhead guide that its not tea

[glacial grotto]

4+ is ambigious

[vague leaf]

Is that just build diversity, or moreso when you have your set you wanna drop tea for DS?

[glacial grotto]

4 or >4

[thorny onyx]

This morning ppl started talking about changing the rotation using garr- env spam in dance, but I heard it was a bug getting fixed, I guess it's not fixed yet? I watch RWF atm and jpc sending the garr spam in dance? is this how im gonna play tomorrow raid (EU)

[shut cosmos]

4+ = >4

[glacial grotto]

thanks

[shut cosmos]

wait no

im dumb

[flint tusk]

yes

[shut cosmos]

= 4 is 4+

[flint tusk]

we all dumb

[slim hamlet]

4+ is just 4+?

oh is it for a wa?

[glacial grotto]

4+ means nothing bro

[slim hamlet]

on 4 cp or more??

4+

[manic quartz]

4 = 4>

[lavish marten]

Q: are there any assasination streamers I can watch?

[flint tusk]

i mean

[vague leaf]

🧍‍♂️

[shut cosmos]

5+ = >4

[slim hamlet]

Legit everyone says 4+

idk

[shut cosmos]

because 4 !> 4

[glacial grotto]

idk seems kinda confusing judging by reactions here

[flint tusk]

not really

it means 4 combo points or more

[slim hamlet]

He is probably running "hybrid" build which is the go to

[shut cosmos]

idk im thinking about it in terms of what ther operators actually mean, and id assume 4+ to include 4

[slim hamlet]

Feel like 4+ very clearly means 4 or more

[slate crown]

Yes, 4+ includes 4

[glacial grotto]

jpc keeps mutilating on 4

[vague leaf]

ty sir

[grim jay]

whispyr

[slate crown]

That's probably because the recommendation used to be 5+

[slim hamlet]

doing it on 4+ and 5+ is same dmg difference, he is probably just used to 5+ like everyone else

[shut cosmos]

but also can think about it as: You dont wanna overcap, how many points are you able to get to without risking overcapping

[slate crown]

and shifting to 4+ is not a mega giga difference

it's fine

[flint tusk]

it's just muscle memory

[glacial grotto]

ok thanks just making sure I wasnt being dumb

[flint tusk]

see four "oh i need more" and really it doesn't matter so long as you're not burning combos

think it was a tiny increase changing from Max-1 to 4+ but an increase is an increase

was always very close apparently

[shut cosmos]

ye like
if youre max is 6, you dont want to mutilate at 5 cuz then youre wasting 1

[flint tusk]

in my experience if you need to refresh rupture doing a 4CP envenom can make keeping envenom up a bit tricky

5 is comfy

and really when we have 4 set it's probably better to ensure we clip envenom than letting it drop for hyper optimisation

[manic quartz]

if you break the chain, just pool back to 80% and start again

[nova wraith]

Does "Timestrike" do anything beyond just increasing our total damage?

Like resources or anything being duplicated with the proc?

[slate crown]

No, just dmg

[icy acorn]

playing assa with last season sub gear feels so bad because of having 2% haste lmao

[slate crown]

And putting you back in combat with target dummies constantly

[frigid dirge]

I literally have 11% rn with hissing runes even lol

[past forum]

are we supposed to be able to get 3 or 4 globals off during subterfuge?

[flint tusk]

that isn't why it feels "bad" the spec is design to be slow

[icy acorn]

i know its supposed to be slow but you can feel a difference between 2% and 15-20% haste

pooling with 2% haste is going afk for 2 minutes

[manic quartz]

haste has very minimal effect on your energy regen

[dull cloak]

ye you won't feel the regen dif unless you're at really really high haste

[frigid dirge]

With my 10 haste I’m just burning teas willy nilly

[gusty mirage]

@thorn fjord step 1 complete

[nimble tartan]

we uppp

[icy acorn]

[lucid rain]

nice grats

[fallow acorn]

nice!

[icy acorn]

strongest rogue rn

[warm basin]

hmmm, use first spark on toxic feet or dagger?

[flint tusk]

neither

wait until first vault

[velvet ridge]

what is timestrike

[slim hamlet]

bonus dmg on hit

[velvet ridge]

got my nick of time! first drop

only champ though

[slim hamlet]

[flint tusk]

bro champ or not it's the affect

BIS is double Nick of time

[buoyant pilot]

🇪🇺 😭

[flint tusk]

from vault ofcourse but still

[warm basin]

yeah but going for 2 timespoarkjs first week is maybe ambitious

[flint tusk]

the lower ilvl one could be your offhand for weeks

[slim hamlet]

Man I need to go to bed on non-degen hours just so I can wake up early to game

rough life

[flint tusk]

yes bro get a strong night of sleep and slap it tomorrow.

[icy acorn]

lets wake up in 8 hours and play on eu start

[warm basin]

boots will be a sure thing tho

[tender tinsel]

Yo, Whispyr seems to have a macro that automatically swaps out Mutilate for Ambush on blindside procs, does anyone know how I do that? Or am I just an idiot? XD

[flint tusk]

100% boots is the safest

it's just if you was planning on making a dagger always wait

[slim pebble]

That's just how it works now

[icy acorn]

wouldnt you get your second spark next week

[tender tinsel]

Wait really?

[icy acorn]

so you can basicly safe craft boots?

[slim pebble]

Yes

[tender tinsel]

That is such a nice change

[flint tusk]

yeh boots is a 100% safe craft plus it's like a double embellishment craft as toxic patch doesn't care what Ilvl

[slim hamlet]

huge 1.4% dps increase for me

[flint tusk]

what getting 8 hours over 7 hours sleep?

[tender tinsel]

Imagine getting sleep

[slim hamlet]

sleep is actually a dps loss

[tender tinsel]

My chronic insomnia would like to have a word with you

[icy acorn]

sleep can be a dps gain under certain circumstances

[grim jay]

Boots?

[slim hamlet]

yap

[slim pebble]

Yall are getting 8 hours of sleep?

[slim hamlet]

like with no crests ofc

[slim hamlet]

no

[flint tusk]

hell no

even though i plan to every night

i always end up on here xD

[arctic hare]

So a good basic opener IS: Garrote, SND, Mut/ambush, Rupture, mut, deathmark, shiv, envenom, SD, kingsbane, reapply garrote & rupture, and just do envenom rotation after that?

[manic quartz]

envenom before DM

[arctic hare]

Before? mkay

[slim hamlet]

ehm

just read updated wowhead

[arctic hare]

Ahh, shit, yeah, one sec lmao

[slim hamlet]

first 5 sec is different now

[thorn fjord]

Hell yeah

[arctic hare]

oh?!

[thorn fjord]

Btw guys lfr is super super quick and an easy way to get tier

[keen spruce]

tier isn't dropping in normal

for us

[slim hamlet]

how many are u in the gorup?

[manic quartz]

yeah, gar-ambush-rup-mut slice, mut to 4+ envenom -> dm -> burst sheningans

[keen spruce]

25

[slim hamlet]

krill issue I guess

[keen spruce]

well 23 now

we're getting fucked

[slim hamlet]

Thanks for beta testing

[thorn fjord]

Nobody flame me but is there a spread sheet or something for talent loadouts per boss?

[steady hornet]

i give up

how about that

i give up with all these changes

FUCK BLIZZARD JUST MAKE IT SIMPLE

[rain mortar]

!ui

[slim hamlet]

[rain mortar]

fail

[thorn fjord]

Saw IC on some fights

Not sure what to drop

[keen spruce]

[tender tinsel]

I entirely forgot that NA is raiding rn XD

[rain mortar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[tender tinsel]

Or can raid

[gusty mirage]

you should be in keys

@keen spruce

smh

[keen spruce]

i was

[arctic hare]

Is there a way to chance the macro that makes mut change to ambush last until Subterfuge is done?

[keen spruce]

we do a blind normal run

at the start of every tier

[thorn fjord]

I’ve gotta be a dad for two hours then I can run keys

[slim hamlet]

Unironic dad gamer

gigachad

[flint tusk]

Raising his personal army of gold farmers

[thorn fjord]

Nah pocket healer

[slim pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/issa-rae-insecure-hbo-gif-23978035

Me @ 8pm tonight

[thorn fjord]

Ain’t nothing wrong with it broo

[flint tusk]

why not both?

[balmy condor]

Blindside feels weird in these dungeons man

[thorn fjord]

How so

[keen spruce]

for that gnarleroot

[balmy condor]

You just randomly just sit at max energy

And do nothing

[slim hamlet]

Nice

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s just ambush chaining

[slim hamlet]

Sick

even

[gusty mirage]

why you playing bs in dungeons

[balmy condor]

People have been playing the arterial build with blindside

I thought I’d give it a whirl

[eternal heath]

Got gloves from world boss

we gamin

[flint tusk]

whispyr trying to understand people who want acro so much they'll play an inferior playstyle just to get it

[thorny onyx]

Hey whispyr, the video about garr-env spam during dance that u deleted this morning (EU). Is this still valid rotation cause its on wowhead or was that a bug that was going to get fixed?

[thorn fjord]

Same

[balmy condor]

Garrote isn’t supposed to give 5cp during dm

[gusty mirage]

I got 130 gold 😄

[eternal heath]

you

you're rich

[thorny onyx]

@balmy condor So with that answer I guess it's something that will be fixed but in the meantime we do the garrote spam?

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean it's 0.3%

go for it

[icy acorn]

everything for some better logs

[balmy condor]

bug will be fixed quickly

and then you won't do it

very huge

[thorny onyx]

So useless to fk up my muscle memory

xD

[flint tusk]

ye

[polar sinew]

hi does exist something that glow our dots to show us that they are upgraded (on a WA) ?

[copper hazel]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[copper hazel]

take your pick

[flint tusk]

most have them

https://i.imgur.com/mvdhFFv.png that's how Luxthos's one looks

[polar sinew]

exactly ! thank you !

not mine xd

[turbid harbor]

Anyone else have ashes simming higher than branch (dungeon branch)

[thorn fjord]

Rolled 100 on ashes in lfr and a hunter rolled 100 too

And the game gave it to him

[eternal heath]

Feel like I need to slap dummies for an hour

[kindred oriole]

What's the command again to call the spreadsheet?

[full spear]

How are u guys playing st without tea, I have zero energy

[manic quartz]

def using tea

[slim pebble]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

Like I went into keys thinking I'd be doing wet noodle ST but with the hybrid build still slaps in ST, felt good in all scenarios except low keys. The only place it was sad was like super far split cleave which yeah, we're melee, of course. Even big pulls with only tiny shitters felt ok, I just ignored KB on them because it'd die too quick and spread bleeds and still felt good

[kindred oriole]

Thanks very much

[full spear]

Ya SD is great in low keys

[runic sequoia]

How is assa compared to other rogue specs? Mostly for m+

[main crypt]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[full spear]

It’s strong, iron wire is fking amazing

[frigid dirge]

What talents was you running

[tough whale]

Coming back after a hiatus for s2, rogue seems to be in quite a healthy spot

[slate crown]

Standard hybrid build

[oak eagle]

Assassination
Fixed an issue that caused Internal Bleeding to be incorrectly applied by Deathmark’s version of Rupture.
Fixed an issue that caused Internal Bleeding to not contribute to Sudden Demise.
Fixed an issue that caused Shrouded Suffocation to incorrectly generate combo points when a duplicated Garrote was applied with Deathmark’s effect.

rip

[gusty mirage]

@keen spruce renown check

[slim estuary]

So I just woke up, is the sim sheet updated?

[subtle tundra]

GO OUTSIDE

[lucid rain]

something something rewriting the guide

[slim estuary]

Are all the sin bugs fixed and we still sim lower?

[gusty mirage]

I did

???

[subtle tundra]

i didnt :/

[thorn fjord]

That’s it… we’re screwed

[subtle tundra]

im renown 5

[oak lagoon]

quick question, Aoe im guessing you only do 1 Crimson Tempest, then Envenom?

all the time

[robust garden]

Crimson tempest doesnt have initial damage anymore

So you only need to keep up the debuff, yes

[oak lagoon]

oki ya

thx you

[slim pebble]

I went outside once. It was awful

[slim hamlet]

Holy shit that was fast

[keen reef]

Is theire a WA showing the kingsbane Icon with glowing when to vanish as jpcs in this dc?

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[hoary isle]

so whats the verdict

for raid

[vital haven]

goddamit

new opener?

[potent lintel]

so ideally once you got all your garrote and ruptures on a pack you use deathmark and then kings bane 50% in?

[keen spruce]

still trying to figure out why tier won't drop for our raid

[loud light]

Fixed an issue that caused Internal Bleeding to not contribute to Sudden Demise.
given the earlier internal bleeding vs caustic spatter discussion, this is actually hilarious

[slate crown]

Mine does

[lucid rain]

[slate crown]

Is JPC using his own?

[keen reef]

Ye he is

[slate crown]

https://wago.io/t-Ebe62VL Glows when to vanish
https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9 Has a tickmark when to vanish.

[spice spire]

LE

[keen reef]

Is the First WA usable With all WAs? Or just urs?

[slate crown]

ah yeah that one on his stream is different, but mine does that

It's usable with any weakauras, it's standalone

It's in my pack but it doesn't require a pack

[keen reef]

Ty !

[gusty mirage]

huge

[tender tinsel]

Lol, Good Place reference in that tool tip

[tame tangle]

hell yea

[flint tusk]

lel

[tender tinsel]

Awesome show

[flint tusk]

and it's gone

[keen spruce]

[lucid rain]

I hope whispyr saved an old copy of his guide

[flint tusk]

https://i.imgur.com/neBsuQE.png but yummy

[tame tangle]

jeremy beremy brotha

[tender tinsel]

Lmao

[slate crown]

He doesn't need to

The current version of the guide is correct, and was written assuming this would be fixed.

[robust garden]

gigabrain

[tender tinsel]

Mans was up at 4 am fixing it lmao

[robust garden]

At the very start of the video it was obvious our dude needs a day off at least

[tender tinsel]

Yep, but he's gonna be doing RWF, no?

I actually genuinely do not remember which guild he is part of, because my IQ is lukewarm and it is 0:30

[dark token]

Me tomorrow :)

But no hero track rip

[dark token]

This is why u use github

Revert apl

Revert guide

3 mins top

[lucid rain]

true

good point

[keen spruce]

ok... Does anyone have confirmed current data on how loot scales with different raid sizes and how many pieces of tier are guaranteed at different group sizes?

[slim hamlet]

2 sec

[keen spruce]

the blue post from october says that 1 piece of tier is guaranteed at 20

but we got 0 off multiple bosses with 24 people

[slim hamlet]

cant find

[keen spruce]

well by multiple i mean igira and nymue

cuz we called it since no tier was dropping

[slate crown]

Did some of those people secretly already kill bosses?

[keen spruce]

no we checked everyone

[slim hamlet]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/less-tier-drops-per-boss-on-season-launch-in-patch-10-2-335583

[grim jay]

NA beta testing

[slim hamlet]

all i got

[slim hamlet]

thank god

[keen spruce]

yeah that's the most current we could find

but like

that's verifiably wrong

[fleet pagoda]

didn't this happen at the start of last season?

[grim jay]

Would report

Dunno if they encountered that in splits

[keen spruce]

we did

[grim jay]

But should be the case then

[keen spruce]

nah they're getting like 1-2 tier pieces at 30 people

so we just get to wait for 8 weeks for a response and a "okay here's your 2 normal tier pieces from 2 months ago"

very helpful

[grim jay]

Duh

[slim hamlet]

Surely they just fix it before EU is up

[flint tusk]

Thanks for highlighting the issue NA much appreciated testing

[slim hamlet]

Make sure to bug report it lots

[grim jay]

Only 4 hours left to sleep

[slim hamlet]

Get it done before wednesday!

yheahhh

Not waking up on reset

[keen spruce]

I haven't been able to find any other reports of this

just us

we lucky few

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[keen spruce]

I have r1 gnarleroot world

for all classes

ask about me