assassination

[cosmic kernel]

ty

[topaz echo]

There's a max stack on KB?

[slim hamlet]

ye and u hit it even without PI

[cosmic kernel]

wdym optimal, as in best case scenario or what the sim does

[slim hamlet]

wat

u talking spriest?

[indigo mulch]

Thats what it does in sims.

[hallow sonnet]

Both

[slim hamlet]

Best case is 1/1/9 but basically no diff and one mistake can fuck u up much more, the sim does 1/1/7

[topaz echo]

First time I heard about it, where can I learn more about it? Is it a damage cap or a number of % increases per poison application? Ty

[cosmic kernel]

ok, so sims best case scenario tyt

[slim hamlet]

Each application adds a stack, 99 is the highest

[indigo mulch]

I think you can actually go 1/1/5 as well.

[slim hamlet]

I think it shows in logs, defintiely shows in sims

[topaz echo]

Oh ok, thanks!

[woeful iris]

Whats the benefit of using garrote > rupture > ambush > snd over garrote > snd > ambush > rupture?

[slim hamlet]

To snapshot rupture

at highest CP

[woeful iris]

Thanks!

[clever sapphire]

well that doesnt apply to his question tho, cause he casts 3 point rupture most likely in both cases

[slim hamlet]

How is 3cp garrote+ ambush 3

[royal lantern]

math

[fringe token]

Hi, new here.
Do we have raid sims for all 3 specs somewhere? 🙂

[clever sapphire]

where does he garrote ambush

[smoky leaf]

if refreshing the 2nd shiv is gonna overlap a gcd, do you hold gcd half a second to chain the shivs perfectly or just send gcd and then shiv after even tho u lose some shiv uptime on KB?

[clever sapphire]

i know

[slim hamlet]

Oh wait

[clever sapphire]

but that wasnt his question

[slim hamlet]

I misread

@woeful iris I lied thought u were talking of new opener which is garrote-ambush-rup then mutilate-snd

This is where u get the full rupture snapshot

[clever sapphire]

i had to read it 3 times also, cause my brain translated it to garrote ambush rupture, instead of gar rupt ambush as he wrote

[keen reef]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[topaz echo]

We don't talk about the new opener, mods, get him

[slim hamlet]

[storm forum]

Mods literally fell asleep dw

[slim hamlet]

Easy

[spice spire]

I’m woke

[strange python]

[storm forum]

[thorny pond]

Woke mind virus

[grim jay]

oxi is whispyrs alter ego

[thorny pond]

X gonna give it to ya

[grim jay]

for when whispyr actually sleeps

[spice spire]

I’m not oxi

[thorny pond]

Whispyr confirmed Juhabach

[strange python]

Oh waw, assa is behind everything i hadnt noticed that

[grim jay]

actually

[thorny pond]

???????

[grim jay]

but his german is better

[strange python]

I wanna be “#1 oxi fan fan”

[thorny pond]

Kekw

[cunning basin]

Yes assa is definitely the lowest dps keep spreading that info ty

[grim jay]

he probably just took a look at fuus sheet

[strange python]

Ye

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[thorny pond]

Numbers without context should be our discord name

[cunning basin]

So true

[surreal citrus]

[slim hamlet]

Please do

Not to my raidleader tho

[cunning basin]

I'm gonna go tell 5 people right now

[strange python]

Isnt fuu sheet based on patchwerk?

Why add context to the name though? Just “Numbers”

[cunning basin]

Not any of my guildies

[slim hamlet]

5 people sandbagged a day keeps the doctor away

[clever sapphire]

why not, if he sees that thats the lowest dps and you are top dps, that means he is gonna flame the whole guild and bench the other rogues for being shit

[slim hamlet]

Holy shit u cracked the code

[cunning basin]

Sandbagging
Not sandbagging like havoc dhs

[thorny pond]

Just sandbag in your raid

Like bro

[slim hamlet]

[thorny pond]

Don’t snapshot Kb

[cunning basin]

We don't have other rogues HOWEVER I could then flame everyone else on my raid team

[thorny pond]

They’ll never know assass is good

[clever sapphire]

you guys keep talking about these sandbags, i have bought one and dont know what to do with it

do i punch it

[cunning basin]

[clever sapphire]

or build a sandcastle

[clever sapphire]

thats also fine

[cunning basin]

Definitely build a sandcastle

[slim hamlet]

Give it to Whispyr

He loves them

[thorny pond]

Build a sandcastle with all these crabs pulling me down

[cunning basin]

I already did it last tier. Told my guild rogue was middle of the pack at best according to stats and they're like "but you're always like top 3 or 4 damage!"

[strange python]

If you don’t get pi and you don’t get wft, you probably don’t have to sandbag purposely.

[cunning basin]

Like buddy I don't wanna say what that means but that is not a diss on me if that's what you're looking for

[strange tiger]

is it worth spending whelpling crests atm? i got https://gyazo.com/b3bdf8000feb6429dc823c3affa34058 can upgrade to 450

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/talos-talosian-star-trem-star-trek-big-head-gif-12496470

[clever sapphire]

you probably wont use those for anything anyways

so just go with the flow

[clever sapphire]

tried that, my guild just wiped every time i had a good pull

and we killed bosses on my shit pulls

with no procs

[cunning basin]

Feelsbadman

[strange python]

Is that a mentat?

[cunning basin]

Kinda same, most of our prog kills were like my worst pulls by far

[clever sapphire]

im just gonna pay back this season, im gonna wipe on my bad pulls

[cunning basin]

Pulls would literally be like 136, 137, a sick 140, and we kill it when I'm dead last at 132

Like ok dude

[clever sapphire]

ye same

or where i could count my class trinket procs on 1 hand

[cunning basin]

I had some crazy fuckin rng in one of our closets rashok pulls before we killed it and was at like 143k st in sub spec at like 445 ilevel

[lavish wing]

guys what build would u suggest for Council fight

[cunning basin]

Just procs on top of procs and then my tanks go and die

[indigo mulch]

Warlock

[dark token]

Me on week 1 kazarra

[clever sapphire]

you mean for the 3 bosses right

[cunning basin]

Either full st or swap internal bleeding to caustic spatter

[dark token]

Had rank 1 vs people's week 3 or week 4 logs

[clever sapphire]

i would just change to spatter

[dark token]

At 10 less ilvl

[clever sapphire]

because its 2 targets

[dark token]

Just from rng

[clever sapphire]

and its not worth to spec aoe for 2 targets

[cunning basin]

Bro shit was wacky. Sub was a wild ride there for a bit

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/leo-laugh-leo-laughing-wows-jordan-belfort-gif-25047416

😄

[indigo mulch]

That fight is terrible for us

[cunning basin]

Ye it's pretty bad

[clever sapphire]

maybe bonespike makes his return somehow for that fight

i still gotta figure out how tho

[lavish wing]

so is the Outlaw the only one that doesnt mind that fight 😄

[indigo mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-cjh-gif-18483676

[cunning basin]

If you're looking for optimal honestly you probably rock outlaw for that fight? If your tanks are positioning right it's 2t cleave most of the time

[strange python]

I might try indiscriminate carnage build without the crimson

[cunning basin]

Although just taking spatter is probably good enough

[clever sapphire]

makes no sense to go ic tho

[indigo mulch]

You would prob only go spatter

[cunning basin]

Carnage would be pretty rancid in that fight I think

[clever sapphire]

getting a cleave rupture/garrote every minute is not worth it

[strange python]

You think so?

[clever sapphire]

just spatter it up

[cunning basin]

Swap IB to spatter, get more deeps for free without any thinking, gg

[clever sapphire]

no thinking? im in

what did he type that it got insta removed

what

[strange python]

“Im st, im doing my job”

[cunning basin]

I never think

[strange python]

Ahah

You’d want to maintain bleeds on both in 2t though still right?

[lavish wing]

but do we expect assa to be better than sub on that fight

[clever sapphire]

preferably i would assume so

[indigo mulch]

yes

[strange python]

Ye that was my idea for ic no brain ahah

[clever sapphire]

ping fuu and ask him

he scary

im not doin it

[indigo mulch]

fuu is such a nice guy though. lol

[orchid sun]

Hey how much are you doing with a single kingsbane in the opener? Any rough numbers what to aim for? 440 ish ilvl for example

[lavish wing]

lmao

[cunning basin]

I think sub still got bad 2t cleave

[clever sapphire]

1M atleast

[cunning basin]

I'm 448 and usually between 1mil and 1.6

Lotta variance in those last two ticks

[clever sapphire]

for a more exact number, do a quick sim for 40 sec, check kingsbane dmg, aim for that

ah and turn off raidbuffs

[red bloom]

I keep getting pinged with this, not saying these are 100% correct, but any reason why SP timings would sim higher for us than on CDs even though they should be the same for us anyway?

{there was a pic here}

[orchid sun]

Alright got it thanks, I assume the second Kingsbane is a lot lower right?

[clever sapphire]

its not within deathmark so ye kinda

[clever sapphire]

is it average on a 5 min fight? or is it on pull or what is this based on

[indigo mulch]

Delete that picture before you summon an angry whispyr.

[clever sapphire]

i need context

[red bloom]

SCALING

I think theyre 5 min sims ill dbl check

[quaint flare]

if assume since sp doesnt send on pull and needs some prep globals like ass, it means the pi better covers kingsbane

[cunning basin]

That picture is just inaccurate lol. Spriest timings would be slightly worse than just having it always on dm

[strange python]

Do a second army then repost picture hehe

[cunning basin]

Spriest send pi ~3 seconds in

[indigo mulch]

Whispyr went through a tantrum last night and apperantly everything about that document is just not correct, atleast regarding rogues.

[clever sapphire]

never trust anything about rogue thats not in this discord, thats how my brain works

[red bloom]

yea thats fair, i dont either but my mate and I were talking about it and he wont let it go XD

im convinced he's just upset cause warlock

[clever sapphire]

when talking with someone dumber, you just agree with them so they stop bothering you

arguing with someone who doesnt know better wont work

[strange python]

Did any of us made it to blizzcon?

[indigo mulch]

Whispyr was there.

A bunch of people was there from the discord i think D;

[rotund oak]

Whispyr also made 2 new vids

good stuff

one for opener one for pooling

[clever sapphire]

you can watch the one about pooling during combat, when you are pooling

[hardy dagger]

Technically three videos

[rotund oak]

thats so cursed

[hardy dagger]

Gonna watch the vids and

[thorn fjord]

Morning folks

Excited for content

[rotund oak]

hi fren

[thorn fjord]

GIMME GIMME

[slim hamlet]

Jo frem

wtf

Hi fren*

[normal kite]

!whispyr

[thorn fjord]

JO FREM!

[slim hamlet]

Lemme tell you, you missed some things Dieslow

[thorn fjord]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[normal kite]

no more whispyr spreadsheet?

[slim hamlet]

nop

[thorn fjord]

what did i miss

[normal kite]

[thorn fjord]

Did whispyr have a meltdown

[slim hamlet]

3 new openers in a couple of hours

[thorn fjord]

Oh god

[slim hamlet]

2 bugfixes

and ehm

chaos

[hardy dagger]

Rogue

[rotund oak]

i made a tuna salad

[cunning basin]

CHAOS

[thorn fjord]

Of course on raid day too lol

[slim hamlet]

2 new whispyr vids and new opener on wowhead

get to work

[thorn fjord]

Checking now

Gar amb rupture?

tf

[slim hamlet]

ye

Whispyr 3.5 vid explains

[thorn fjord]

This looks more palletable than before tho tbh

The ST talent loadout stays the same?

[gusty mirage]

Was it delicious

[clever sapphire]

i need to ask i cant take it anymore, do i pronounce it Dies low or Die slow

[royal lantern]

yeha

[thorn fjord]

Die Slow

[rotund oak]

yup all the goodies,with a bit of olive oil

just perfect

[gusty mirage]

[arctic tusk]

the opener got updated today?

[clever sapphire]

a few times

[thorn fjord]

Did you use mayo?

[gusty mirage]

Last night, but ye it’s slightly dif

[arctic tusk]

new apl find or what

[thorn fjord]

This opener seems easier

[oak tangle]

it got updated, then downdated

[rotund oak]

a lil bit,mayo ''muds'' tuna with olive oil

[gusty mirage]

Smol optimization, like 0.3% I believe

[slim hamlet]

What update?

[thorn fjord]

Yeh i agree... But light light mayo always slaps

[oak tangle]

true true

i forgot no update happened

[rotund oak]

100%

[icy acorn]

the opener didnt change besides SnD and rupture swap did it?

[clever sapphire]

that was with the garrote spam i believe right?

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

youre shiving after DM now

[clever sapphire]

you already kinda did? or did i just do the new opener before it was cool

[wispy vale]

!wa

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[icy acorn]

you did that before as well?

[gusty mirage]

Thank God they had us write all these guides 2 weeks ago, right? Right?

[thorn fjord]

Before wasnt it rupture-> build to env / env -> shiv -> Dm

[gusty mirage]

Ya

[thorn fjord]

Yeah so now the shiv is after DM

[icy acorn]

https://i.gyazo.com/c566229a47f70a86c118273c23e628e1.png

[gusty mirage]

Then dance, kb, etc etc

[icy acorn]

deathmark shiv

[thorn fjord]

I knew i wasnt crazy

[jovial verge]

Huh I was always shiving after DM lmao

[clever sapphire]

gotta have a basic setup of the guide so you can change it every second day

[gusty mirage]

Someone pls help I don’t want to add shadowdust to my guide

[clever sapphire]

in 2 days

[thorn fjord]

With this new opener im guessing we just wanna hit that Mut once for the SND and not worry about building anything

[icy acorn]

iirc it was dm -> shiv -> dance -> KB -> garrote -> envenom -> build to 4cp -> rupture

also

[smoky leaf]

What do you guys think for builds to play day 1 of raid tonight (its normal clear so it doesnt really matter) but I like planning

[icy acorn]

where rupture in new guide?

[smoky leaf]

thoughts?

[thorn fjord]

His original opener post had shiv before the DM but im pretty sure its so minute it wouldnt make much a difference

[sweet dawn]

How come we have a new opener? Sorry if this has been answered already I've not been able to keep track with the chat

[normal mist]

There was a bug

[thorn fjord]

APL optimizations

[sweet dawn]

Ahh oke

[gusty mirage]

Council is kind of a ST fight cause all 3 are so spread out

[strange python]

I’m going in blind and playing ST for everything, including trash.

[smoky leaf]

ahhh ok

[lone creek]

whispyr already updated wowhead?

[gusty mirage]

Council feels like a not a rogue angle tbh

[icy acorn]

but we still rupture in KB right? (Kb-Garrote-build-rupture)?

[clever sapphire]

i need to cook up a bonespike build for council

[thorn fjord]

rip the dream

the emerald dream HUEHUEHUEHUE

[lone creek]

damn i got rewarded for not messing around with sin opener until this morning

[clever sapphire]

no

check the nightstalker part of the guide

[smoky leaf]

not on the first kb

[clever sapphire]

its somewhere on the bottom

[thorn fjord]

I'll be flip flopping between Sin and OL tonight

[smoky leaf]

but on subsequent ones probably

[gusty mirage]

You still want to refresh rupture with nightstalker active

[smoky leaf]

not on the first KB but second, third, fourth kb etc. yes?

[pure moth]

change your 2 outlaw builds to sin and you are good to go

[smoky leaf]

LUL

is sin gonna be that broken? rofl

[thorn fjord]

Nah

[royal lantern]

but fuck outlaw

[crisp ridge]

!wa

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[pure moth]

we don't play outlaw here lol

[last onyx]

Outlaw stinks

[smoky leaf]

basically i just want to play sin on all pure/mostly pure ST fights, and then outlaw everything else

[royal lantern]

[clever sapphire]

you are in sin channel and you ask why we dont want you to play outlaw

[gusty mirage]

Good call

[slim hamlet]

Playing outlul on council likely too, otherwise sin

[thorn fjord]

Some of us are equal opportunity spec players

Im waiting for 4p to git in on the sub action

[spiral pasture]

sub on smolderon maybe

[thorn fjord]

I think sub comes out on top once gear starts flowing

[pure moth]

sin is the only spec

[gusty mirage]

No reason not to play outlaw in any cleave/aoe situations

It’s just easier lol

[pure moth]

lol

[gusty mirage]

And more damage

[chilly viper]

but multispec is annoying

[thorn fjord]

A man of reason

[clever sapphire]

also more dmg to my fingers

[gusty mirage]

[icy acorn]

so basicly just refresh it whenever it is about to run out. snapshotting rupture is not needed?

[strange python]

[thorn fjord]

I like you @gusty mirage i hope you have an amazing day bro

[smoky leaf]

yea bsaically im just trying to suss out all the cleave situations where i should play outlaw, some fights where the adds are basically non-existent i rather just ST sin blast but yea remains to be seen

[gusty mirage]

I like you too I hope you have a wonderful day as well

[clever sapphire]

on pull no, after that i would refresh rupture with nighstalker buff

[thorn fjord]

Its kinda half and half... Some pure ST fights and a decent amount of cleave

[iron valve]

does subterfuge extend nightstalker / master assassin? or is it just an extra ambush or two

[royal lantern]

cleave=splatter

[gusty mirage]

Yeah looks good, outlaw probably the play on council too cause they lose nothing for cleave and cleave uptime is gonna be sus

vs giving up some damage for cleave

[smoky leaf]

yea i know the raid itself is half and half, i mean on a fight where its either i play outlaw cause theres cleave, or cleave is so miniscule i rather just ST Sin that fight. basically anything pure ST i want to sin, anything with significant enough cleave i want to outlaw

[thorn fjord]

Gonna really depend on your raid comp

MY group has a TON of cleave so i have the luxury of just going straight ST if i wanted

[strange python]

What ilvl does the normal raid drop?

[thorn fjord]

460 something i think

[strange python]

Oh dang ok

[spiral pasture]

did doing this help? im feeling anxious abt what to play and i cant think of anyway to reduce the anxiety besides waiting for logs 😄

[thorn fjord]

Normal is looking to be worth for a ton of people

[smoky leaf]

ya true, i should keep that in mind

[strange python]

That’s like actually exciting then

[thorn fjord]

iirc its the biggest jump in IL between tiers in a long time

[smoky leaf]

yes did you see my notepad up above? LOL i like organizing this stuff

i know ill have to wait for logs but i raid tonight so ill just go in with a rough plan

[spiral pasture]

nice

[thorn fjord]

Just do better than your peers

ezpz

[spiral pasture]

get some logs going for us EU boys xd

[slim pebble]

Silly question.. what kind of health pools will people have at end of this raid tier?

[smoky leaf]

oh ive gotten CE with teh same guild past two tiers, but yes i want to blast my peers LOL

[slim pebble]

The jumps always seem crazy to me that's why I'm asking

[gusty mirage]

You want to get as many people 2pc this week as possible, so it’s worth for everyone

[celest helm]

atleast 1

[smoky leaf]

at a disadvantage tho of playing reworked class so im not used to the new specs in raid yet @thorn fjord

[thorn fjord]

You blasting solo shuffle today for the 1600?

[gusty mirage]

You get 1pc for aotc/ksm, and catalyst opens up next week

Absolutely not

I’d rather shove pins in my cock than play solo shuffle

[thorn fjord]

I farmed a ton of blood tokens on sunday so i'll be in the solo shuffle hell lol

[celest helm]

this

[gusty mirage]

Hope this answers any further pvp questions

[arctic tusk]

macro pot of power onto deathmark?

is fine ia ssume?

[strange python]

If that new rated bg 8v8 thing catches on, I’ll probably pvp a lot again.

[smoky leaf]

KSM should be really fast, will have it a week tuesday unless ur a gamer

[thorn fjord]

Solo shuffle been around for a bit already

[celest helm]

just RBG, ya know the existing bg content that everyone forgot about

[thorn fjord]

Easiest way to get your 1600 for the tier piece

[strange python]

That’s just arena though right?

[thorn fjord]

Kind of yeah

[gusty mirage]

RBGs we’re cool until you got a high enough rating and it was all win trading sweaty people

[clever sapphire]

ye do it

[midnight mist]

I think you will mostly be able to keep 2 close together

[celest helm]

hasnt been that way in years, but def had issues in WoD

[midnight mist]

evne on ptr with people being noobs and first timing the boss it was kinda possible

[smoky leaf]

yea im feeling an outlaw angle on council

[gusty mirage]

So still an outlaw fight got it

[idle totem]

RBGs are for sure fine now and totally fun and good to do 🙂

[midnight mist]

well sin does good 2 targets aswell no ?

[gusty mirage]

You give up a bit of ST for cleave

[midnight mist]

dont you guys have splatter or whatever now

[smoky leaf]

yea but my plan is to only play sin on pure ST blast fights LUL i love outlaw cleave too much

[thorn fjord]

Look at the pirate over here trying to pander to us

[gusty mirage]

And if it’s not constant, kinda not worth

vs outlaw just pressing blade flurry

[midnight mist]

well then if anything igara would be an outlaw fight

[midnight mist]

i see

[sharp viper]

it's called poison flurry

[smoky leaf]

you think so? how come @midnight mist

[thorn fjord]

Plurry

[midnight mist]

because of the chains people

[strange python]

For me, ST vs hybrid vs ST with spatter - on 2T, ST with spatter won by around 9%

[midnight mist]

on mythic thats uh

6 chains I think

they live quite long

[gusty mirage]

But if people are really that adverse to playing outlaw, sin is good for cleave

[smoky leaf]

hmmm ok but prob sin for normal/heroic for now

[clever sapphire]

but arent the chains too far apart for the cleave to work?

[thorn fjord]

Or just swap to sub when you get 4p

[gusty mirage]

You can stack them

[blissful forge]

how much are ppl simming atm?

[thorn fjord]

Im feeling that angle too

[midnight mist]

you can almost hit all of them as outlaw

dpepends a bit how you stakc thme

[blissful forge]

cause i ''only sim'' 140k

[midnight mist]

we were doing 2 2 2

but you prolly can do it differently

[blissful forge]

i lost sim dps comapred to s2

[vapid skiff]

!fuu

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[clever sapphire]

stack it all on top of each other

[gusty mirage]

Everyone did

[royal lantern]

all specs in the game did

except.bm

[midnight mist]

well that might hit a bit too hard

[midnight mist]

no outlaw

[blissful forge]

oh ok

[midnight mist]

I gained like 10k

[royal lantern]

you dong try hard enough then

[blissful forge]

so im gucci with my 140k assa sim?

[smoky leaf]

ok maybe ill go in tonight with Outlaw for Gnarlroot/Igira, Sin for Volcoross, Outlaw for Council/Larodar, Sin for Nymue, Smolderon, Tindral, and then see wtf Fyrakk is all about and decide then 🤷‍♂️ thoughts? @midnight mist

[gusty mirage]

Damn wtf were you guys simming before? Bozos lmao

[clever sapphire]

get better healers

[midnight mist]

lol

[gusty mirage]

Sub also went slightly up iirc

[midnight mist]

volcoross is an outlaw fight aswell, cause you can play elusivness and never press feint, just evasion, actual tech

[slim hamlet]

Holy

[gray crest]

Pretty sure fyrakk is a good outlaw fight with sporadic cleave.

[smoky leaf]

hmmmge

[midnight mist]

yes yes

[slim hamlet]

Saving like 5 gcds

[midnight mist]

I give you guys the tech

you do what you want with it

[gusty mirage]

Yo hear me out guys

[midnight mist]

infintie damage

[gusty mirage]

All 3 specs are close enough to play whatever you want

[slim hamlet]

"the tech" in question = spec outlaw

[gusty mirage]

Crazy I know

[slim hamlet]

[clever sapphire]

no that cant be correct

there must be a clear winner

[oak tangle]

are they close enough for me to play ww single target?

[slim hamlet]

^

[gusty mirage]

That would be assassination, because we get juiced with the simp sauce

[clever sapphire]

close enough to a healer maybe

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-coping-kid-copekid-toxic-gif-21095905

[gusty mirage]

Our WW just swapped rogue

[gray crest]

"If it is not the absolute best it is the worst"

[gusty mirage]

Our raid group just gained 30k dps lmfao

[thorn fjord]

My OL st sims are sitting at 151k

They were at 145 last week lol

[slim hamlet]

We just got a new ww trial

[gusty mirage]

Poor guy

[surreal citrus]

love being the only rogue in my raid I get first dibs on the dream dagger

[slim hamlet]

Must be rough out there

[clever sapphire]

so you lost 30k dps

[smoky leaf]

im more so planning for guild cause they will have pi/aug for me on Sin, so in terms of what i want is Sin if its pure ST build and law if theres some cleave, but yea i guess in the end it doesnt really matter lol

[slim hamlet]

yea gg can't kill gnarlroot normal now

[thorn fjord]

Wym our ww is cracked

[midnight mist]

im at 160k + or something

cant remember

[gray crest]

I'm pretty sure my guild has 3 rogues this tier lmao

[midnight mist]

crazy number

[gusty mirage]

Lmao so what

[clever sapphire]

thats not the dawn dagger, doesnt matter

[slim hamlet]

At a very small point we had 4 rogues

[gusty mirage]

You do realize how pathetic WW tuning is rn right?

[slim hamlet]

then 3

and now we 2

[surreal citrus]

it matters cus +1 mog

[gusty mirage]

idc if he’s preheat levels good, ww is toes

[jovial verge]

I'n all the raids I have played there has only been one instance of playing a tier with another rogue classic and retail

They all stop playing its a lonely life

[slim hamlet]

So insane?

[gusty mirage]

Bro?

[clever sapphire]

true, gonna do a droptimizer today and not do one tomorrow, so i have fake news in my droptimizer for the loot

[strange python]

Toes, the mage?

[thorn fjord]

When the whole raid group is toes you can still shine brother

[grim jay]

I can sell you my rogue mate

[slim hamlet]

I said what I said

[gusty mirage]

Understandable, have a good day

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/toe-dip-cold-pool-gif-8799475

Anyone remember this gif

[rain mortar]

Anyone know if there are any basic raid weak auras out yet or we all have to wait for RWF guilds to finish to share theirs?

[oak tangle]

ay yo wtf

[grim jay]

wtf

[thorn fjord]

Watch me get branch on my first run

[gusty mirage]

Thanks I hate it

[slim hamlet]

I do

[grim jay]

watch me get nick in first vault

[gusty mirage]

I hope you get all the loot your heart desires

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-dont-care-crying-cry-chips-gif-21606846

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

we’re using this tonight

https://wago.io/dfraid3

[keen gulch]

can i write a macro with kingsbane and shadow dance or should i use dance before KB?

[grim jay]

no u

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers, perfectly fine in raid

Just make sure dance comes before kb on the macro

[keen gulch]

yes it does

[gusty mirage]

Then you’re chilling

[strange python]

You can. The only downside would be in m+ if you wanted to dance and had no prio target to KB on.

[rain mortar]

Ty!

[thorn fjord]

Naowh released his wa pack for raid too

But you gotta sub to his twitch

[gusty mirage]

@thorn fjord my rl made us custom WAs, I feel so fancy

[thorn fjord]

Damn that’s big brain

[grim jay]

@gusty mirage do I equip shalamayne/doomhammer trinket or do I just use the random passive trinket from the new zone that sims 300 less

[gusty mirage]

I’m gonna probably use shalamayne over bomba ngl

[thorn fjord]

Can we call it Timothy

[strange python]

Do you guys just run a raid wa pack or do you also run like dbm (or equivalent addon in addition)?

[clever sapphire]

bigwigs and wa pack

[gusty mirage]

WA pack + bigwigs

[thorn fjord]

Most mythic raiders prefer big wigs

[dark token]

Really? My bomba simmed better and it's pretty easy to use with a mutilate acro

[clever sapphire]

and forget about both

[thorn fjord]

With a wa pack

[strange python]

Cool

[gusty mirage]

It was like 60 dps difference

[dark token]

Bigwigs + raid pack that has audio queues for mechanics

Like

Frontal

Dodge

Soak

[grim jay]

with which other trinket tho? 😄

[gusty mirage]

Nelth trinket

[clever sapphire]

whats this audio you talkin about, cant hear that under my music

[thorn fjord]

I use dbm with shared audio pack and a wa pack

I don’t like the big wigs sound and I’m lazy

[gusty mirage]

[topaz echo]

I play with sounds muted

[dark token]

Bigwigs needs to add the ai voicelines

I don't like hearing 200 different pings

[clever sapphire]

that was legit me on echo prog. 100 pulls in, just vibing to my music cause i could play the boss with closed eyes at that point

[slim hamlet]

I legit can't play without sounds

I need to hear hit sounds to know gcd shit

[gusty mirage]

At one point on echo I just put on payphone on repeat for the last 80 pulls

[dark token]

Ur brain reacts faster to audio queues than visual

[jovial verge]

just vibing while a range forgets to move and drops the entire aoe on the raid for the 900th time

[dark token]

So I turn off all in-game audio then have weakauras or bigwigs give me cues for stugf

[slim hamlet]

My brain doesn't react.

[lucid rain]

you have a brain?

[brittle pawn]

same, idk how people play without

[lucid rain]

look at mr fancy pants over here

[slim hamlet]

Didn't mean to flex mb

[gusty mirage]

For real, flexing their grey matter on us

Smh

[lucid rain]

[gray crest]

There was definitely a point in reclears where I just put on Minecraft music

[clever sapphire]

did i stream our prog?

[gusty mirage]

Roujin I miss raiding with you

[thorn fjord]

Y’all playing without sound is huge sociopathic behavior

[slim hamlet]

I can't have music for raid but I vibe all of m+

[lucid rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZujisNZuw0

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-crying-meme-gif-8274157336207414169

[gray crest]

The whole gang

[gusty mirage]

Come back to me

Pls

[jovial verge]

ye M+ is no thoughts head empty hours

[gray crest]

Miss shitting on kittenz and ploop

[grim jay]

yeah I dont have that on mythic sadly, never lucky. loosing 300 dps but gaining leech sounds pretty good tho over having another on use in my case 😄

[rain mortar]

Spriest is saying their best PI tsrget is sin but they cast right on opener. It shouldn’t make much of a different if I get it on pull vs when I press DM will it?

[gusty mirage]

Kittenz called our RL “big”

And my RL was so audibly confused

[idle lake]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
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Pooling Practice Tool

[clever sapphire]

look at it this way, you didnt get PI at all until now, be happy with what you get

[gray crest]

I was too for a bit. I thought for a week or two there was actually someone who's nickname was big and I couldn't figure out who it was

[rain remnant]

With the new rotation... Whats the reasoning you would rather use a Envenom during the last Subterfuge in the KB cycle instead of refreshing Rupture?

[gusty mirage]

It’s not ideal, but we do get the best PI dps from spriest timing

[cunning basin]

They also don't use it right on pull, if you do an accelerated opener they use it around 4 seconds before ideal timing

[clever sapphire]

you have a max point rupture from the opener, meaning you would refresh it with like over half the time remaining

and thats like the same as pressing an envenom

[cunning basin]

Cuz you just refreshed rupture during dance, and that subterfuge also has Master Assassin rolling

[rain remnant]

You don't refresh during dance if im watching and reading Whispyr's vid/guide correctly and the rupture is close to running out in the last sub window

[slate crown]

According to the new version (just looked) you don’t refresh rupture during dance unless I can’t read good (entirely possible).

[jovial verge]

You can refresh it during dance outside of DM phase if you want

its just very minor over env

[rain mortar]

I’m his video he said you CAN refresh rupture but it’s like less than 100 DPS gain so not really worth I believe

[thorn fjord]

Just make sure you're blasting this on your first pull tonight boiz https://open.spotify.com/track/6WVZ5igZEry6PwqUIcBCil?si=6402d2ac3e1c4b4e

I miss OT but i cant lose focus

[median flicker]

Is anyone using a WA that makes using tea and Vanish in our kingsbane a bit easier to follow?

[surreal citrus]

i listen to penis music all pulls

[kind forge]

you cant lose focus for normal ?

[rain remnant]

Ok i should watch the last couple minutes before typing. Thx 😄

[nova wraith]

Double on use trinkets is a bad idea right? I shouldn't use embersoul alongside witherbark's?

[slate crown]

Yeah I’m on my phone so can’t easily link but my profile has the Kingsbane Timeline aura (LE Group -> click on author name).

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[median flicker]

Ur a god send

I love you

[rain mortar]

This is a silly topic - but just curious. Our arms warrior is swearing that arms will be best PI target in execute range. I assume it still won’t be above sin because of their execute DMG as well. What say you?

[surreal citrus]

pay your priests off to block him

[thorn fjord]

thats a cap

[jovial verge]

I was under the impression that warrior was looking quite ass this tier in general

[nova wraith]

You can probably sim this. But they're 4k behind us at base. I would be surprised if they get over 4k more, and then go beyond us still whilst competing with our own damage amp.

[thorn fjord]

Fury with 4p is gonna be nice

[lyric crater]

i miss are 8 range talent o well

[strange python]

You get used to it pretty quick

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

ask him why he hates the raid group and insists on playing arms

[thorn fjord]

It sucks

But not the end of the world

[gusty mirage]

when he answers that question he can be considered for PI

[median flicker]

facts

[lyric crater]

true but going to be yelling at my self get closer lol

[thorn fjord]

He's playing arms cause he aint got tier yet

[blissful forge]

is fragment still simbait for assa?

[thorn fjord]

yes

[gusty mirage]

yes

[royal lantern]

cus arms is cool and fury is not

[gusty mirage]

okay boomer

[surreal citrus]

let him cook

[royal lantern]

#assassination

?????

[gusty mirage]

imagine playing arms when you could play wish.com outlaw rogue

wild

[royal lantern]

[thorn fjord]

Zug zug

[surreal citrus]

outlaw rogue with no gun

L

[jovial verge]

Out of curiosity is anyone else super lazy like me and just pretending they have 4pc already for the sake of the rotation?

[nova wraith]

just play sub :D

[strange python]

Of course

[royal lantern]

rotation doesnt change

[gusty mirage]

warrior memes are interesting

[jovial verge]

Yeah not in actuality but you don't have to worry specfically about chaining envenoms

[strange python]

I’m just following whispers guide like it’s gospel

[royal lantern]

and thats why arms is better

+lmao making those3buttons look "hard" is some peak fury warrior shit

[slim hamlet]

indeed

I used to have a specific outlaw playlist with the most brain damaging music to keep up in m+

[jovial verge]

I loved playing sub in M+ it was just so simple

[thorn fjord]

Ton of Limp Bizkit i assume

[slim hamlet]

I hated it because of that

[jovial verge]

I'd hate it for raid but M+ I want it to be as easy as possible

[gusty mirage]

[slim hamlet]

Fair

[gusty mirage]

don't let these nerds gas light you, sub in keys was fun

[thorn fjord]

Hell yeah it was

[slim pebble]

Sub was very fun in keys

[thorn fjord]

I just want my 4p so i can fuck around with subers

[arctic tusk]

what is the purpose of that line on my energy bar

[jovial verge]

I was a huge fan I haven't looked at it since the update kinda hoping its the same more or less if sin doesn't prove to be fun over time in M+

[weak vessel]

do we have any one key macro for assasination?

[gusty mirage]

what's a one key macro

[royal lantern]

when you put a macro on a single key

duh

[weak vessel]

its a macro key that you spam and does multiple skills

[slate crown]

That’s an indicator for when to stop pooling. At least that’s what I think it is, it’s in the right place for it to be that.

[gusty mirage]

yeah that's not really possible with the way it plays now

[frozen jasper]

do the consumables change from raid to m+? or do i use the same for both

[clever sapphire]

Oxi can you make me a castsequence for a 5 minute fight?

Thx

[royal lantern]

would not use corrupting rage as flask in m+

[arctic tusk]

i see ty

[slate crown]

In fact I should add one too, been skipping that but it’s trivial

[gusty mirage]

might have to swap phials cause right now w/ subterfuge random stuff is breaking stealth

[royal lantern]

just use vers flask in m+

[frozen jasper]

aight, that's what ive been using last season, good to know.
tempo runes though?

[royal lantern]

idk man, mastery i gues for weapons lol

[frozen jasper]

nvm guide also says mastery, had in mind i read it was tempo

[arctic tusk]

i feel as if im missing somethin in the guide maybe im blind but

when would you start pooling in

st scenario

and is pooling just mutilate for 4 cp and envenom and literally nothing else

the chaining envenoms doesnt exist till 4pc if im not wrong

[blissful forge]

whats the command in simc to set smth to 450 ilvl?

ilevel=450 is wrong

[royal lantern]

allright, it works like that:

you do opener and spam, during kingsband windows you just spam

when kingsbane is over, you stop spamming and instead go for maximum envenom uptime, aka get 4cp->wait until envenom buff is at ~2seconds and use envenom again

[thorn fjord]

k gotta get work in before servers come back up

[royal lantern]

do that until you could not keep envenom up anymore (either running out of energy, or re-applying bleeds broke it)

[thorn fjord]

I might just get a stomach virus halfway through the day

[royal lantern]

when that happens, you stop using envenom and start pooling too ~80% energy

[median flicker]

yep HR hes right here

[thorn fjord]

dont be snitching

[royal lantern]

when you get that ~80% you start chainging envenoms for envenom uptime again

repeat until kb is ready, then ylu enter kb and spam again, and it all repeats

understood @arctic tusk ?

[arctic tusk]

yes sir

only 1 question

[royal lantern]

[arctic tusk]

when are teas used

for pooling

in general*

[royal lantern]

1tea at the last 6sec of kingsbane

outside of that for energy, when tea would give energy you use it

[arctic tusk]

so im expected to go to 0 tea

[royal lantern]

the 6sec tea will be ready by default cus it has 1min cd

[arctic tusk]

fast sounds like

[fervent fog]

whispyr did a youtube video on it ❤️

about pooling

[weak vessel]

So is there any1 here who can help me build a castsequence macro for assa?

[gusty mirage]

no

[cunning basin]

I would not suggest that lol

[weak vessel]

??

[subtle tundra]

I don't know a wow player that uses castsequence macro

[cunning basin]

Yeah same, p sure those are outdated since a lot of specs are pretty dynamic with rotations

[thorn fjord]

One of our ret Palis play with 3 cast sequence macros lol

[gusty mirage]

the playstyle requires you to be able to maximize certain windows in the rotation

[thorn fjord]

He has a 1 button hunter set up too

[gusty mirage]

idk what benefit you'd get out of a cast sequence macro

[nova wraith]

So, I asked earlier but just wanted further clarification as nobody responded, we don't wanna use two on use trinkets at once, Witherbark's Branch & Embersoul are a bad idea, right? We should use a passive trinket alongside branch?

[gusty mirage]

yeah, we avoid double on-use

[cunning basin]

Yeah, since our big CDs are at 2 minutes and you can't sync on use trinkets you ideally just go for a passive as the second

[nova wraith]

You could at the very least do it with like...your opener? I guess?

[gusty mirage]

the ICD for two on use kinda bricks it for us

[clever sapphire]

And god bless for that, feck double on use

[gusty mirage]

cause all of damage comes in the dance windows

[nova wraith]

I wasn't sure if you wanna use a 2nd on use at the 1minute mark possibly

[cunning basin]

Still pretty bad lol, much better off just learning your rotation

[nova wraith]

I guess worst case scenario you would but it wouldn't be as worth as a passive lol

[gusty mirage]

yeah that would be viable, but I believe we end up getting more value out of a passive

[nova wraith]

Yeah it is a bad habit to get into lol

[gusty mirage]

good news is after the ashes buff, it's mythic version is on par with a max ilvl witherbranch bark

so now you don't have to cry when you get shit from the m+ vault

[cunning basin]

Is ashes one of those ones where the bonus decays, I forgor

[gusty mirage]

ya

but this was also before koji fixed the timings in simc

so

it's probably still worse

[cunning basin]

Dammit

[gusty mirage]

but a viable alternative

[teal geyser]

yo one question guys, do i always want to rupture during dance to snapshot the dmg amp? or do i just refresh it in pandamic an spamming envenoms while dance is up?

[cunning basin]

Hoping I just get the branch so I don't have to pay too much attention to kb lmao already gotta watch for the last 3 seconds my brain too small

[spice surge]

Sims also doesnt account for the proc, however it ends up proccing in raid

[gusty mirage]

oh true

good buff though

nice to not have bis tied to a vault ilvl trinket

more options gud

[cunning basin]

Options good

No options bad

[candid geyser]

How many years of luck would be consumed to snag Nick of Time from vault week 1 & 2 of season.

[cunning basin]

Probably a lifetime tbh

[gusty mirage]

your first born child will be sacrificed to Ion

[eternal heath]

I'm gonna need wow motivation for tonight

[gusty mirage]

SAY LESS

[rain mortar]

@balmy condor pooling video is great TY. It was the one area I was still a little foggy on. You the GOAT

[lone jungle]

D:

[eternal heath]

U da best

I dunno why, just not feeling overly hyped for the season for some reason. But I want to be

[strange python]

You want a max duration snapshotted rupture and garrote whenever possible. You get them in your opener and get them with the vanish at the end of KB. To get max duration on those final casts you'll need to refresh both during dance once, iirc.

[verbal vessel]

he talks about rupture in the latest video

[pulsar dirge]

I missed the 'bug opener' what was it? curious

[verbal vessel]

just spamming garrote envenom to take advantage of combo point duplicating during deathmark that was confirmed to be a bug

[runic terrace]

So according to wowhead Dance is only mostly needed for imp. Garrote. On PTR we used it together with KB if I recall correctly. Is this not the case anymore?

[unborn parrot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[thorn fjord]

Always dance with KB in raid

Rules change in M+ depending on the situation

[pulsar dirge]

sounds buggy yeah , ty!

[woeful iris]

Is there an optimal uptime for envenom?

[runic terrace]

So Dance immediately followed by KB, right?!

[thorn fjord]

yep.. You can macro it too to make your life easier

Make sure to have dance first in the macro line

[runic terrace]

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Kingsbane
?

[thorn fjord]

Yep

[runic terrace]

Kk, thanks

[twin bay]

dance has no gcd so make sure you pay attention that kb actually goes out

[iron valve]

could also add on use trinkets in there

[twin bay]

had that happen to me a few times

[rotund wagon]

If it’s a bug but it’s been in the game untouched for 351 days is it really a bug though?

[cunning basin]

Yeah

[jaunty warren]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[runic terrace]

How about Vanish mid fight. Do I hold it for the last 3 seconds of KB like in the opener or just Vanish & Deathmark & Imp. Garrote?

[thorn fjord]

Should still use it the same way

Your SD/KB should be up every time you DM

So you can still Vanish at 3s left on KB

[runic terrace]

So use it just like in the openr, got it. Thanks mate

[thorn fjord]

Yeah the playstyle right now is pretty cut and dry

Just follow the flow chart

[cunning basin]

^

[runic terrace]

Again for the last time (hopefully ^^): Do I spam Envenom during KB or just maintain Envenom-Buff? And do I start KB with 5 CP or does it not matter?

[subtle kiln]

where be dis flow chart?

[thorn fjord]

Opener -> Norm rotation -> Opener

Rinse repeat

[slim hamlet]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[limber lion]

Maintain Envenom

Do not need 5cp

[stiff kernel]

https://u.gg/wow/tier-list/dps-rankings

Where would u.gg be getting this season 3 info?

[limber lion]

Just another clickbait tierlist

Also Aug does much more than 88k

[static glacier]

inb4 they're pulling from ptr logs

[limber lion]

Triple it

[thorn fjord]

Should pay Max $100 bucks to make a troll tier list

[novel kraken]

Do we refresh evenom within an evenom window, or let it fall off for application again?

[stiff kernel]

I mean u.gg actually backs their tier lists with hard data not just theory so thats why im wondering, this list looks super skewed though which makes me think it might be season 3 data but equipped with maybe still season 2 tier and stuff

[vapid skiff]

thats for sure from ptr

you can see the talents are from 10.2

[spice spire]

Tier lists

[vapid skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-insane-cat-help-my-cat-is-insane-help-my-cat-cat-gif-21688581

[subtle kiln]

disappointing text base

[limber lion]

Env within Env with new tierset

[limber lion]

If you read the disclaimer it says it pulls data from actual runs

Which is a dumb way to compare specs

Some dungeons have giga aoe and some very little

[oblique wasp]

!wa

[limber lion]

We calculate each spec's DPS rankings by evaluating DPS and HPS scores from the very best players and factoring in the frequency of each spec's appearances in the highest rankings of the current Mythic+ season. We believe this gives the most accurate rankings of every DPS spec's performance at the highest levels of endgame PVE gameplay.

18k parses in total

Probably just from this week

[glacial shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/today-yay-gif-25615367

[merry raven]

for anyone with adds (gnarl, larodar, etc) do we just swap IB to spatter and call it a day?

[limber lion]

Sure

If the range allows you to hit the mobs

[glacial shuttle]

What is the range? 6 yards?

[limber lion]

10y

[strange python]

Why is it so important to envenom before kingsbane? Does it snapshot, or otherwise not apply to the damage if envenom after?

[limber lion]

To maximize KB stacks

[umbral summit]

hello lads, I'm weighing up my spec choices ahead of our first raid tomorrow, it has just come to my attention that Assa is feeling a lot smoother to play, and looking at logs seems to be very competitive on damage. it still Sims 16k behind Sub for the moment, is it just a case of the new tier being better?

[strange python]

So like the first one would be missing it until you did envenom? Then the next, for example, would benefit from it?

Oh wait you’re talking purely poison application chance

[cerulean nest]

what do you plan to do on those fights?

[undone flame]

is thare a good amount of haste to have i have 19% right now but i feel like a bit higher woude be better

[grand trail]

if you dont plan to play outlaw there, simple spatter is good option

[spice surge]

Whatever sims highest, it doesnt matter

[strange python]

You can’t really feel the haste so

[grand trail]

19% is a lot

[spice spire]

[spice surge]

This fucking emote gets me everytime man

So good

[spice spire]

Enlightenment is realizing your stats only matter in context of your own character. % and whatnot means nothing. Robot spitting number out will give biggest gains

[thorn needle]

How do you set details to dynamic overall?

[thorn fjord]

Enlightenment is that emoji

[lucid rain]

it's in scripts

[warped nebula]

yeh I cant get away from the haste gear that drops, I takes what I can get before season starts

[icy aurora]

How many ilvl yall think old tier is worth? Also is there a WA link anywhere?

[thorn fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[icy aurora]

ty

[spice spire]

You go 2/2 as soon as you can. As for normal gear?

[icy aurora]

When to replace it when i get higher ilvl non tier gear

[spice spire]

First part

[icy aurora]

How long is it worth to hold onto it ig

[thorn fjord]

I’d just sim it

[undone flame]

relly? hm oh well notthing i can relly do with it now what amount woude you say then?

[icy aurora]

gotcha

[arctic hare]

Which one of the doti’s are the ones that give that dagger?

[spice spire]

Lower

[arctic hare]

Mkay

[spice spire]

The first part

[lucid rain]

galakrond's fall

the other one is called rise of murazond

[thorn fjord]

Can’t decide if I wanna spam for dagger first or branch

[grand trail]

its fine mate, dont overthing it, the stats will change every day now

[rotund wagon]

Goin branch. Dagger is just dagger, branch is going to take a brain cell to use

[spice spire]

Just get whatever option you have. Also depends on what you’re running with.
Like if you’re double rogueing I’d goon doti as much as possible

If not. Yeah

[thorn fjord]

I’m the lone rogue

[spice spire]

Yeah work with what you got then

[arctic hare]

Quick, whats our best flask?

[lucid rain]

whiskey

[thorny pond]

Rage

[arctic hare]

Those poor healers…

But okay lmao

[thorny pond]

go alchemy

[arctic hare]

Oh? Why?

[glacial crypt]

Longer flasks

[grand trail]

once you actived branch just move couple yards to one side and it will line up naturally and cover your whole DM

[limber lion]

I don't play the game, I don't know what any of the fights do

[thorny pond]

less damage taken

[arctic hare]

Wait really? Thats kinda nuts though

[spice spire]

🤝

[cerulean nest]

wait really? you're just in here for the sport rn

[arctic hare]

Well shit, thats craaaaazy though

[rotund wagon]

Look I said it would take A brain cell not a degree

[thorn fjord]

Cev is a man of the people

[cerulean nest]

what a guy

[subtle kiln]

you can negate most of corrupting with alchemy

[limber lion]

Yeah and the occasional theorycrafting. Maybe a singular dungeon every patch, but that's about it

[subtle kiln]

assa greens are afk in assa rework. don’t mind them.

[limber lion]

WoW takes too much time and I ain't got that irl.

[arctic hare]

Guess I’ll switch to alchemy, i don’t really use mining on the rogue anyways so

[limber lion]

Good one

[subtle kiln]

you’re still loved

quake would be loved more but key jebaiting still giving me ptsd

[thorn fjord]

Quake too qoot tho

[spice spire]

I’m a troll 🫡

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/getting-sad-trolls-band-together-upset-feeling-emotional-trolls-gif-8070431540350436348

[winter steeple]

can someone share me whyspir's armory?

[thorny pond]

Whatcha cookin?

[royal lantern]

its 25% less dmg on a effect that allready barely tickles

[thorny pond]

x2

[spice spire]

Why do you need his armory?

[winter steeple]

i want to subscribe to his onlyfans

[royal lantern]

so its ~31%

wow

[spice spire]

Nice

[thorny pond]

Some people have strict raid leads

[marble hemlock]

might wanna type his name correctly before creating a parasocial bond

[random quarry]

So forgive the stupid question. Does deathmark double bleeds and poisons already present or just bleeds and poisons applied after death marks application?

[thorny pond]

yes to both

[winter steeple]

sorry my bad whispyr*

[random quarry]

Thank you

[manic quartz]

Are hunters and evokers now better PI targets than us? i swear this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/edit#gid=114827702 showed assa as 2nd best PI targets few days ago.

[outer arrow]

call me crazy, it used to exist a macro that swaps muti/ambush for blindside procs?

[onyx crane]

if we have light cleave in raid do we swap interal for splatter?

[spice spire]

Not really a need now

[thorny pond]

read the context. We line up better with better/optimized timings

[outer arrow]

i read somewhere that it swaps automatically now, my question is, is it ever always the best option to ambush instead of mut? like is it always 100% optimal to do?

[gray crest]

Pretty sure that doc you linked doesn't include optimized branch sims

[spice spire]

Everything contextual. Do adds need to go down. Does boss? Are adds getting decimated? How fast do they need to die? It’s not black and white. But it’s pretty clear what you need once you’re there

[outer arrow]

bc i remember that macro existing but i wasnt sure if it was ever optimal, but now that behavior is baseline?

[spice spire]

The branch boy line my goat

[spice spire]

Correct

And the macro sucked

[hoary remnant]

No we are still top target for Spriest PI and in cds Hunter and DK are better. Dev evoker wont be a thing you will most likely play aug.

[gray crest]

What did you call me

[flint tusk]

all you need to know is Ambush > Mutilate

[spice spire]

Iykyk the line for branch

[outer arrow]

is this always true tho?

[flint tusk]

...

[spice spire]

No

[manic quartz]

Mkay, i just wondered why the positions changed, didnt know there was any updates since, my guild probably just glance this doc and toss it to hunters :p

[spice spire]

But yes

[outer arrow]

[spice spire]

Just play as you would

[buoyant kraken]

I have a question for the 2nd use of deathmark. How do i handle getting the improved garrote off?
Do i wait for vanish, and use that? Do i shadowdance without kingsbane? Do i just pop Deathmark during dance/kingsbane window?

[steel spire]

Servers up?

[shut palm]

ye

[outer arrow]

thanks, i was simply wondering if it was ever a case in which having blindside could fuck you over by idk say, it procs b2b2b2b and you never actually have access to mut for a long time, ambush doesn't proc CS, does it?

[manic quartz]

Well you should have both dance and dm avaivable so just garrote during shadowdance

[hoary remnant]

Which is kinda troll ngl. Sin + Pi + Aug ist omega bis

[manic quartz]

glad our aug asked me if i play assa and do i want to be his main target :3

[hoary remnant]

ofc your bis for aug and will most likely play sin in progression or outlaw I would assume

[hallow beacon]

Hey, is the ambush proc that replaces mutilate still bugged? At least I think it was.

[hoary remnant]

I personally find sin way better for prog then outlaw

[bleak ivy]

Echo are playing on NA server?

lmao

[frigid kestrel]

Are we actually BIS for Aug ?

[outer cairn]

So wondering if this would be troll or not. First boss has adds. Would we just swap internal bleeding for spatter and just hard focus the boss and let spatter do its thing like laridar?

[spice spire]

We’re pretty good

[hoary remnant]

Just testing the bosses.

[hoary remnant]

Top 5 specs to get buffed yes

[spice spire]

Prescience gives crit every 2m we love crit
We love 2m CDs

2+2= 4 here ya know

Oh also burst

[cerulean nest]

where are those tuning hot fixes at

[spice spire]

We do that now

[earnest remnant]

prescience is just crit all the time

[spice spire]

Whatever their 2m is

[earnest remnant]

breath of eons

[spice spire]

[buoyant kraken]

Ye but in the opener you want to pop deathmark before kingsbane? Is that not true for second kingsbane/deathmark?

[spice spire]

I know rogue not Augvoker

And by rogue I mean sin

[earnest remnant]

imagine not knowing both

smh

[manic quartz]

it doesnt matter that much as far as i know, i mean there is like what 3 globals before you get imp garrote for DM

[earnest remnant]

slacker

[manic quartz]

i alwats did 2nd DM as DM-shiv-dance/kb-gar -> the usual stuff

but someone who is better than me can confirm that im wrong or right 😄

[spice spire]

I’m retired man what do you want from me. Except egg on your chest

[thorn fjord]

@earnest remnant you running sin for day 1?

[earnest remnant]

you better watch your tone buddy or imma have to come over there and kiss you right on the lips

[earnest remnant]

for raid most likely. m+ im just gonna play w/e makes the keys easiest so TBD on that

[thorn fjord]

Hell yeah

[spice spire]

Okay and?

[earnest remnant]

ive been known to bite

[spice spire]

[grand trail]

i may play sin in keys cos of ironwire

seems good for starter

[candid geyser]

🥵

[kind forge]

what a timeline

[earnest remnant]

i play whats best for prog idm

for farm tho

[hardy dagger]

Sin is actually so much fun now in keys

[earnest remnant]

its sub gang

[grand trail]

its lot of fun

but dmg is with other spec

[thorn fjord]

Can’t wait for 4p sub

[snow kindle]

are we reapplying rupture during pandemic

or fall off

[kind forge]

that is so true

they nailed that

[earnest remnant]

if sub ends up being the play on some fights, we INSTA swap