#assassination

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strange python
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i switched to hybrid build :3

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works fine in m+

latent copper
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how do you guys track Caustic Spatter? on Plater Profile or any other Tracking?

hushed fern
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track for what?

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you multilate=its active

strange python
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true

latent copper
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yes sure but in AOE i only Mutilate when spatter isnt up , right?

strange python
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u should use mutilate anyway once every 10 sec no ? or when switch targets or the one died

hushed fern
strange python
strange python
latent copper
strange python
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i am currently trying to figure out why i do on the same packs sometimes 300k and sometimes 132k. sooo... until that i will not switch build :3

strange python
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or make a weak aura o.o ?

balmy condor
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I have a weakaura for my target

strange python
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i dont track it myself

balmy condor
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and my plater changes color

strange python
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henlo whispyr o/

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whispyr are u familiar with huge dps changes in same group size and living timespan ?

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oh wait ....

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i had an augmentor in this group OMEGAKEKW

royal lantern
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fuck aug

grave phoenix
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How do we Play Kingsbane out of our opener? still with Dance or we Delay Kingsbane a Few times to refresh our dots before?

fair ingot
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tried a few 16-17s to quickly test out the new assa and got the overall dps up to 190k
The big problem currently is that the mobs are just dying too fast 😄 I dont think I ever got even one good Kingsbane window out on groups. They die way before the juicy part starts 😄
Looking forward to s3 so the mobs can live a bit longer again ^^

strange python
fair ingot
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Yeah in a Freehold I think it was +17? ^^

strange python
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ah ok

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i did run a neltharus so ._.

fair ingot
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I try to stay consistent and always run the same dungeon to better compare the dps of different stuff and I like to run Freehold. Easy dungeon, you have some really juicy aoe pulls in there, a cleave bossfight and some single target fights

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So everything you ever need in a test ^^

strange python
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ye

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nice owo

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what was your peak burst in an aoe ?

fair ingot
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700k
but it was pretty much without kingsbane-.- the target died after like 2 ticks so the majority of my burst went to shit 😄

distant fox
fair ingot
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Pretty sure in the same pull I could easily get it to 900k-1m+ if I had one beefy target that would survive my kingsbane for longer ^^

strange python
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i see

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so my 300k peak was shit anyway , good to know

fair ingot
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I also still fuck up here and there because I forget to reapply caustic. Gotta take some time to get used to it

distant fox
strange python
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oki well , i have 429 no tier set at all and all boosted gear. got 40% crit 15% haste and 51% mastery

runic hinge
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Uld is pretty good for doing high overall too. But the bosses are kinda a bitch for tyr

fair ingot
# distant fox I decided i start with s3. Need to suck when everyone sucks aswell lol

I wanted to test every spec and some different builds for assa (Just love it the most) so I can check out the changes beforehand so I am more prepared for s3 😄
Lets say I know for sure i wont ever fucking touch outlaw again xDD
Finished the dungeon with an overall dps of 80k xDDDD I have no clue how I can get this low. If I just apply bleeds and go afk as assa I will be higher

sour obsidian
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heyho guys
is wafting devo with 445~ better?
or is it gettin better with more ilvl?

fair ingot
balmy condor
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you what

hushed fern
strange python
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O_O

balmy condor
strange python
sour obsidian
runic hinge
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My sim told me one wafting one sophic today

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Got that 450 fire proc dagger off the super rare

fair ingot
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I knew it xD
Wanted to test the difference between higher ilvl+ more haste or 4set. My build had - haste from being a sub player in 10.1 😄

balmy condor
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and so you decided to just

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drop your 4 piece?

plain moon
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whispyr is there a reason the gar and rup in ur WA pack is 39x39 instead of 40x40 like the other icons? My guess is either mistake or you did on purpose to make the snapshot outline fit nicer?

white orchid
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When adds live and you get a full KB spatter or even DM/KB spatter in man it feels good lol. Had a 23 Ulduman where spatter 2nd overall at like 20 mil

balmy condor
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def supposed to be 40x40

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yesterday the combo points were just scaled to 0.98

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for no reason

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I have no idea whats happening

runic hinge
fair ingot
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Yep you gotta test around some stuff ^^
Wanted to see if the spec plays smoother with more haste to get some more energy reg (absolutely no clue how much you get per %haste)
Damage is more than enough even without the 4set for the lower keys in s3 so if the build feels smoother to play with some haste instead of-80 haste.
Thats what I was trying to test ^^

balmy condor
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you live your truth good sir

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never change

copper hazel
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mans hitting the freshest pine

plain moon
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Monka. im just ripping these 2 from urs and putting them in my own custom afenar hopefully i dont log in 1 day and they shunk

balmy condor
thin portal
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Congrats @balmy condor for repping rogues on Maximums stream.

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We got all spec's in A tier lol

balmy condor
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thanks

thin portal
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im watching it now

flint tusk
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We got caught though

runic hinge
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A tier… right between the S and the B… s&b… sb… sandbagging. I knew it. sandbag

silk bane
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^ true, if subs aoe/ non dust build doesnt get buffed we're all blaming whispyr for putting sub in A for sure yepge mhm no_dust

flint tusk
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We’re done for

thin portal
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lol

flint tusk
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Get ready to doom guys

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Well until the counter doom arrived

RzPWOrq.png
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Why do i have screenshots of those random things?

Taunting my Gm with them kekdog

runic hinge
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Lmao I also screenshotted both of those

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And taunted my whole guild kekdog

plain moon
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whats the meme here im missing? our sims are just lower than we actually do or what

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im dumb

flint tusk
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No sims are low because of a bug realz needs to fix 😂

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The sims are showing the bug correctly

plain moon
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so were bugged atm and doing more damage than we should?

balmy condor
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doing less than we should

snow kindle
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Putting sub in A was criminal

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High B MAX

runic hinge
blazing jewel
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this will be good

flint tusk
balmy condor
flint tusk
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Sub is going to be dddd

balmy condor
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I put the specs on the tier list

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and that's criminal

thin portal
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Where would you place Sub now?

balmy condor
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regardless of where they go

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I'd keep them all where they were idk

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there's no rules on that tier list

slate crown
thin portal
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hmm

balmy condor
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it's just meme content

thin portal
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lol

surreal nova
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you knew full well what you were going to get either way when you answered that call xD

balmy condor
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twitch chat is a scourge

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what can you do

flint tusk
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People get far too tribal about tierlists 😂
Zomg my spec isn’t this it’s that because reasons!

snow kindle
balmy condor
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I've seen wrath skeletons with more brains than twitch chat during tier lists

flint tusk
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Like even max said in that video.
It means fuck all and it’s all ambiguous as it’s not facts driven.

runic hinge
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He was basically asking 30 something people how they felt about their spec

snow kindle
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Aug the only truth

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Him

flint tusk
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Facts

snow kindle
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Aug is indeed him

thin portal
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well, granted he asked good players about their classes.

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I think its respectable way to make a tier list.

surreal nova
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shroud about enhance was hilarious imo

runic hinge
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I think tier lists are bad for the community in general but it makes good content

flint tusk
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But again it means nothing. As it’s not data based.
Subjective opinion nothing more.

snow kindle
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If you bring raid buff you are S tier

flint tusk
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Tier lists literally just make people annoyed/angry and it makes dumb raid leaders make dumb decisions “because the tier list said x”

thin portal
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Who do you think should represent Outlaw rogues?

runic hinge
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F

flint tusk
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If you actually know how to play your spec and not just a fotm reroller also s tier.

thin portal
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I know Whispyr is primarily Sin spec

flint tusk
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Doesn’t matter if you’re playing the most overpowered spec in the game if you’re shit. Well you’re shit 😂

snow kindle
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I always though they should give ele shaman sky fury totem but then you’d want two shamans…

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But make it like a 3m CD cause 40s would be aids

runic hinge
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It’s hard to say what they should do with shaman. You make ele bring another good raid buff you’re gonna always want at least 2. If you make them have a raid buff in class tree then you still just bring enhance

vapid skiff
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ye will always be something kek with it

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they could do windfurry raidwide and give it to elemental too and add some spell shit too it aswell maybe

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but then its gonna be one of them always brought the lesser never

snow kindle
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Just make ele give 3% vers buff aswell that isn’t unique so druids n shamans are interchangeable

vapid skiff
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ye i think the WoTLK approach of not having the buffs be exclusive was pretty good

runic hinge
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Make ele give portal but not healthstones

torn atlas
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
royal lantern
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sanest longtime outlaw player

surreal nova
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sane is a strong word, but yeah

safe wigeon
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nightelf race is how much more dps for assassination?

vapid skiff
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human is bis

torn atlas
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female orc is bae

vapid skiff
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so depends on your current race

vapid skiff
thin portal
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female orcs also run like they have a "you know what in their butt".

snow kindle
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Dwarf Tauren op for prog

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Human for parsing

vapid skiff
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ye also dwarf/tauren is best dps option for both outlaw and sub

thin portal
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Female Blood elf is the only unique race with their own stealth.

snow kindle
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Void elf

thin portal
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male blood elf is copy pasta of everyone else.

vapid skiff
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oh nvm actually it changed a bit prob void elf better for sub atm

thin portal
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Female blood elf if u want to look cool.

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I like the stealth animation

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but personally I play undead, because it represents my soul irl.

vapid skiff
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pog

thin portal
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😮

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I've played all classes as rogue except the new races that need questing to unlock.

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I like orc and undead the best.

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female blood elf is the only unique stealth animation. Every other class and gender have the same stealth animation.

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oh wait

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Goblins tip toe is also unique.

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other than that they are the same.

runic hinge
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I play Nelf cause they flip

pliant remnant
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Female goblin BIS

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Tip toe and bunda

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👍

blazing jewel
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velf

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because they have best hairstyle

royal lantern
blazing jewel
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no

pliant remnant
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Nah, female goblins BIS hair style

blazing jewel
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I forget what its called

pliant remnant
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Dynamite

blazing jewel
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lemme find the selfie I took with shmeeps

grim jay
torn atlas
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Dont Tauren also tiptoe?

blazing jewel
grim jay
torn atlas
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Tiphoof?

royal lantern
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so yeha

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they tiptoe

grim jay
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but is there a toe underneath

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or does it just grow out of the leg

bright trail
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nope

low quartz
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is our dance / kingsbane rotation the same without deathmark? ie envenom/shiv/dance/kb/ambush/envenom-> rapture->envenom etc

bright trail
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or maybe 1 toe?

grim jay
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thats the real question.

pliant remnant
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Sounds good to me.

royal lantern
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its just instead of envenom->dm->shiv->dance

its envenom->shiv->dance

low quartz
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aite yeah good to know

shell kraken
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”Mutilate until 4+ CP” = we stop at 4CP and do not send another builder?

royal lantern
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4+ means 4 or more, yes

shell kraken
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Thx

bright trail
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same rotation as 10.2 just without sepsis and vanish inside DM

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sry i mean 10.1.7

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early morning nagnag in brain

autumn folio
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Do I EVER use Mutilate instead of Ambush in Stealth / Shadowdance as Assa?

balmy condor
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you can mutilate over ambush, if you are inside of dance, kingsbane, and deathmark

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it's a very very minor gain

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of like 150 dps

vapid skiff
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also ambush still doesnt give caustic spatter right?

balmy condor
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generally I would recommend to always ambush whenever it's available

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it does

vapid skiff
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pog

ebon copper
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on a fight like gnarloot do you spec into CT?

autumn folio
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@balmy condor Normally as sub I have the same keybind for backstab and ambush but just switch the abilities out in stealth / unstealth bar. So I can do the same with ambush and mutilate since I will always just use ambush instead of mutilate in stealth / Shadowdance right?

balmy condor
balmy condor
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that's what I do as well

limpid plinth
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On opener after rupture why we mutilate and envenom before our cooldowns?

balmy condor
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because having envenom up going into kingsbane is important

limpid plinth
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Aah ofc

upper gorge
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poison damage is increased by dh aura debuff?

royal lantern
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yes

vapid skiff
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ye its all magic dmg

upper gorge
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nice

royal lantern
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poison = nature dmg = magic dmg

limpid plinth
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And we have 6cb but we can finish at 4cb?

balmy condor
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yes

autumn folio
balmy condor
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if you want to do the traditional thing of max-1

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and generate on 4cp

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finishing on 5+

grizzled mist
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when do we break season 2, 4 set? just sim it?

balmy condor
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that is perfectly fine as well

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completely netural

balmy condor
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e.g the moment you get the new tier

royal lantern
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oh wait really, its neutral?

nice, so i dont need to feel bad when i go too 5+ sometimes cus monke brain is still wired like that

grizzled mist
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oh ok so not like 450 emerald dream gear?

balmy condor
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dropping tier for non-tier is troll

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but the new tier is just straight up better

limpid plinth
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Okey takes some time to get used to finish on 4 and not -1

balmy condor
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so when you get new 2 piece

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you equip that

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when you get new 4 piece

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you equip that

balmy condor
grizzled mist
autumn folio
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@balmy condor Is assa viable or even good on all bosses or are there bosses where outlaw straight up outperforms assa?

balmy condor
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impossible to know

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assa should be fine on everything

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caustic aoe is big

royal lantern
balmy condor
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but week 1 tuning and prog will tell

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if there's some strats or whatever where outlaw is just better

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then outlaws just better

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be like that

hardy dagger
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Smolderon could be a boss where you would play sub I guess, with the extra dmg phase being every 100 secshruge

balmy condor
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yeh

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assa is a burst spec

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if the strats dont line up

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with the assa burst

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it's gonna be rough

limpid plinth
hardy dagger
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Shadowduststarege

royal lantern
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we had tiers where assa could only do ST and nothing else, and its ST was mediocre at best, and you could still play it

now assa has aoe avaible, its just a positivd by default peeposhrug

austere fulcrum
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do we want to hit kidney for extra dmg or it is waste of time / cp

royal lantern
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why kidney

balmy condor
royal lantern
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if you mean internal bleeding, read the talent again 😄

hardy dagger
drifting cosmos
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
warm urchin
plucky cargo
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Do we use Crimson Tempest in single target? If we had it talented for a key, but say just fighting a single boss

royal lantern
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no

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you dont

warm urchin
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this build seems to sim hgiher w new 4 pc in aoe and st?

royal lantern
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thats the entire point of CT having %amps when it hits more targets

warm urchin
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what u guys think

balmy condor
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higher than what

plucky cargo
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Ty

warm urchin
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than the hybrid build

balmy condor
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I mean it also drops iron wire

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so I would hope it sims higher

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you're dropping utility

royal lantern
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does iron wire work from dance btw

didnt check that one yet lol

balmy condor
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yes

warm urchin
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true, i was just thinking pure damage though

subtle tundra
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that build looks like it does around 15 st dps

balmy condor
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I mean build in general looks absolutely unplayable

royal lantern
balmy condor
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but if it sims higher fuck it I guess

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number go up

normal mist
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Dance + iron wire be like : you shut up, and you shut up, and you shut up, everybody shuts the fuck up

subtle tundra
balmy condor
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pogggggggggg

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I'd personally never recommend that shit

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but if we just chasing simdps

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sure

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yolo I guess

subtle tundra
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im super mad rn
drank my morning coffee and the morning shit didnt happen

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im gonna have a bad day

warm urchin
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unplayable as in how? just no iron wire or other reasons?

royal lantern
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til: varas can have good days

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nobody said unplayable

normal mist
royal lantern
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its just that dropping IW is kinda troll when IW is like, the 1actually special thing assa has going on

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aoe silence with a dmg reduction is kinda big

balmy condor
# warm urchin unplayable as in how? just no iron wire or other reasons?

I mean it's just really super duper whack. It takes blindside and venom rush for the single target, but then doesn't take DTB or amp poison which is a sizeable hit to single target. Blindside probably carries that hard, but then you also drop poison bomb, your kingsbanes are going to be really weak

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dropping iron wire kinda sucks

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idk

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it looks like what chatgpt would make for a talent build

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I refuse to believe a human came up with that

warm urchin
balmy condor
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the fatal concoction point with nothing else

warm urchin
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but makes sense, was just theory crafting

balmy condor
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is like

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actually the most robotic talent choice

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I've ever seen

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if you're a chess enjoyer, it's basically just the equivalent of stockfish saying you have checkmate in 18

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and you're like

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okay?

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and then you make a natural move and it's like yeah that's a blunder actually cause you didn't see the 15 move follow up

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and you're like shut the fuck up dumb fish we get it

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might be better

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but actually proving it as a gain

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is a very difficult task

warm urchin
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lmfao I see your point

junior aurora
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isn't simdps all that matters whispyr

balmy condor
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yeah my bad

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sorry

junior aurora
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anyway make acro baseline bc i can't take the hit to my simdps

balmy condor
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I'm also a bit salty right now having to triple check some APL fixes here

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and they're all like

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200 dps

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and fix an edge case that happens once every 15 iterations

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so

flint tusk
balmy condor
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I'm quite miserable right now and upset with sims

junior aurora
normal kite
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does caustic spatters damage emanate from the target or from you?

balmy condor
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from.... the target.... I think

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carnage is from the player

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or maybe it's the other way around

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uhhhhhhhhhh

junior aurora
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i would imagine from the target bc its a debuff on the target

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and makes more thematic sense

balmy condor
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cev had a convo earlier about this

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let me go searching

normal kite
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i'm asking since blade flurry emanates from the player

surreal nova
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wait, chatgpt makes builds now?

balmy condor
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okay yeah

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so carnage is player

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caustic is from target

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I rememburred

flint tusk
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ouch

junior aurora
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makes sense, carnage is a buff on player and caustic is debuff on target

flint tusk
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remembered or lucky guess?

balmy condor
normal kite
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ait, thanks a lot! RHlove

surreal nova
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amazing

wide pivot
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so it will give you a shadowlands build

balmy condor
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last I asked it

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it just linked wowhead

surreal nova
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gold

wide pivot
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and so forth 😛

balmy condor
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when I asked it to tell me the rotation is was like a frankenstein of actual shit but with bad ideas

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it got confused

wide pivot
balmy condor
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it was like suggesting to cast deadly poison often during combat

vapid skiff
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based'

balmy condor
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that looks much more sane

junior aurora
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hey that rotation isnt even terrible

balmy condor
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gpt4 I guess

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pog

junior aurora
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thats like

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bfa rotation right there

wide pivot
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ye it is absolutely correct for the data it has

balmy condor
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I haven't used gpt in like a year

wide pivot
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it doesnt even know about dragonflight

balmy condor
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so big moves from the bot

wide pivot
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i think they intend to increase the data availability soon

surreal nova
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they grow up so fast

wide pivot
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yeah when you ask it about world of warcraft dragonflight, it will just tell you the different flights and colours

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data goes to january 2022 now

sour obsidian
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u guys got a recommended build for teh council fight?

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maybe something like the hybrid build?

blazing jewel
balmy condor
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Cause you can’t stack those bosses for shit

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Actually aids

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So I don’t really see a lot of value from CT or carnage

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They’re not going to reach 90% of the time

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And then it’ll just sit there and be worthless

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It’s pretty rough to cleave for melee

sour obsidian
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ah ok, i see

glacial carbon
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Thoughts on Gnarlroot / Tindral Assa builds? Damage amps are ST and adds are at weird times…

balmy condor
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Talent into caustic and gg

near valley
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Or play Outlaw ofc

elder torrent
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Also is the Mythic + Specs on wowhead up to date Cause I've been using the one that was simmed in the Dungeon Slice for PTR lolol

balmy condor
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What is “the one that was simmed”

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Is it that stupid fucking AI blindside build again

near valley
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The simmed one

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AI blindside?

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What?

balmy condor
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Swear to god I’m going to actually sandbag sims to delete that shit

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We just had this convo hold on

near valley
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That what the boomies were calling u out for?

elder torrent
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Lol I grabbed it a long time ago now so I don't know XD

balmy condor
elder torrent
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But I did notice it had internal Bleeding instead of Caustic

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🤮

balmy condor
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Bro what

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That’s even worse than the thing that guy linked

elder torrent
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This is how bad it was

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And I didn't really wanna try it

balmy condor
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Jesus fucking Christ

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Who’s coming up with these

near valley
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That's a build

balmy condor
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I just wanna chat

near valley
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ChatGPT

elder torrent
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It was on the Pinned Message Dungeon slice talents XD

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For the PTR channel

balmy condor
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That’s the raid build

elder torrent
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and I never grabbed new ones

balmy condor
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Not the m+ build

elder torrent
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dungeon slice doesn't = Dungeons

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o

balmy condor
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People recommending raid builds for dungeons?

near valley
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M+ build without carnage

balmy condor
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That’s not a dungeonslice build

near valley
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Full boss build tyrann weeks

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I can see it now

balmy condor
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Stop

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Cease

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We got the fucking no iron wire no dtb nonsense ai generated build

elder torrent
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too be fair it does like 360K aoe ish and 110K st somewhere around there

balmy condor
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Now we got full raid build m+

elder torrent
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maybe more like 340K aoe

balmy condor
near valley
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Sin used to be the smarter ones

junior aurora
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when

near valley
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What's happening?

balmy condor
junior aurora
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all rogues are fried

elder torrent
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lol

junior aurora
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the smart ones rerolled mage or warlock a long time ago

elder torrent
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because I just realized that when I screenshotted it didn't update from when I accidently screenshotted

balmy condor
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Just open the wowhead guide

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And import the hybrid build

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Run that in m+

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If you’re an acro fiend, take the utilitarian one

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Good times

junior aurora
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if it doesn't have indiscriminate carnage its probably not a m+ build

elder torrent
#

Whats up with the Aterial shock one

balmy condor
#

That’s giga aoe

elder torrent
balmy condor
#

For less single target

#

Generally not recommended imo

elder torrent
#

lol

balmy condor
#

But if you’re a fiend for the aoe

#

Then that’s the play

near valley
#

Uktinate padding build

balmy condor
#

Probably great in lower keys

near valley
#

Jesus christ I had a stroke

balmy condor
#

Your sudden demise will actually wreck shit

elder torrent
#

I'll most likely just grab the Hybrid one but How good is the Aoe lol

near valley
#

Ultimate*

balmy condor
elder torrent
#

lol

#

heres another question

#

For Raid theres alot of Adds should I just Keep a ST build or maybe Switch internal bleeding to Caustic or is that hella Troll?

balmy condor
#

Yep

#

Exactly that

elder torrent
#

So Add boss = Switch IB to caustic

balmy condor
#

Yep

#

Only change you need to make

#

Caustic cranks

arctic thunder
#

Do i use instant or deadly poison?

elder torrent
#

I'm assuming like Pip and the other three should I run caustic or just Apply multiple Garrotes

blazing jewel
#

monkahmm does caustic get range increased by acro monkahmm

balmy condor
near valley
#

Is caustic really just carrying AOE?

elder torrent
arctic thunder
#

Ty

balmy condor
near valley
#

I just run that bitch on Gnarlroot and I'm big gaming?

balmy condor
#

yeh

blazing jewel
# balmy condor no

was thinking about igira because I remember from testing caustic range was iffy on the spears depending on how you stacked them

balmy condor
#

on larodar treants I was top damage in my raid

#

and it was literally just caustic

cunning basin
#

Caustic is fuckin nuts

balmy condor
limber lion
#

Eh

elder torrent
#

But what about Pip and the bear and whatever the third one was Should I run caustic or internal and just Stealth Garrote a few of them

cunning basin
#

Especially if it's easy to line up KB with adds

balmy condor
#

can't hit shit with it

blazing jewel
#

gnarlroot will be a meme but caustic felt great on that fight too

limber lion
#

Spatter is okay

blazing jewel
#

because you never really want to swap off of boss

balmy condor
limber lion
#

On niche situations it definitely cranks

elder torrent
blazing jewel
cunning basin
#

Fight is cursed

near valley
cunning basin
#

Fun, but cursed

blazing jewel
#

melee likely just chase the bear around and cleave anytime its stacked with another boss

#

bear has double the hp

cunning basin
#

Yup

near valley
#

Very cursed council fight

cunning basin
#

It's a cool fight

near valley
#

I like the theme and idea

cunning basin
#

It's like probs one of the best council fights

near valley
#

Just not the lack of stacked damage

elder torrent
cunning basin
#

But if you're melee it's cursed

elder torrent
#

oh SHIT

#

I meant You're

#

uh oh

cunning basin
near valley
#

Destro fight

#

Or play affliction and piano

cunning basin
#

God afflic is gonna crank in that fight lmao

rotund oak
#

Or just play Ret and floor POV

near valley
#

True

cunning basin
#

3 target fight you can keep dots up 100% of the time? Oh fuck yeah

rotund oak
#

coz LIGHT COMPELS U MFKER

arctic thunder
#

Trying to learn assa, and im reading the assa aoe opener rotation from wowhead. At point 15-17, it wants me to garrote again. Do i swap targets to do that? Although i mutilated earlier, deciding my main target

rotund oak
#

Mr Whispyr will be here shortly

balmy condor
arctic thunder
#

4-6 targets, sorry

balmy condor
#

yeah so technically the first one is fine cause it just refreshes

#

step 15

#

that is

surreal nova
#

sin has more than 15 steps to open in aoe?

balmy condor
#

step 17 technically should be used on one of the targets that step 15 didn't hit

surreal nova
#

jesus

balmy condor
#

but like

junior aurora
#

it doesn't really zadec

balmy condor
#

I would just hit the main target again

arctic thunder
#

And then target swap back to the one i hit in step 15?

#

Oh.. Thats okay?

balmy condor
#

I mean

arctic thunder
#

Guess u miss garrote refresh on 1 target

balmy condor
#

you technically lose 1 of the 3 garrotes

arctic thunder
#

But its alot less stress 😄

balmy condor
#

yeah

cunning basin
#

There's a lot going on in aoe

blazing jewel
hardy dagger
arctic thunder
#

What about rupture refreshes. I do that after the opener?

hardy dagger
#

Wdym

#

Wcyd

cunning basin
near valley
royal lantern
#

always

elder torrent
balmy condor
elder torrent
#

If the enemy wont live thru the duration then just blast them

cunning basin
arctic thunder
#

As new trying to assa, there seem to be a shitton of buffs and debuffs to track

#

Guess it takes time :p

near valley
#

Never really worked

ripe blaze
#

do we pool in between cds with the aberus 4p or just with the new raid 4p ?

royal lantern
#

both

elder torrent
#

oh yeah heres a question

#

Why are we taking Numbing in M+ builds instead of Atrophic?

#

is it specifically for the new dungeons or

#

is it just build different

terse orchid
#

Since m+ by and large revolves around interrupting and crowd control

#

Prevention > reduction

balmy condor
#

m+ is also just a large amount of damage on the tank

#

versus raids it's a lot more spread out

#

and numbing

#

is insane for tank damage taken

near valley
#

So is Blackjack

#

Man that talent is crackes

hardy dagger
#

If we know the pack is going to survive kb, would it not be a gain to get CT going after dot spreading?

stark mirage
#

man, ass is not an easy spec, its like affliction had a child with outlaw in aoe. Hopefully it will come second nature by a few hours of prac and just make sense without stirring at the spinning plates

snow kindle
#

what part is confusing you

#

oh in aoe nvm

#

agreed

stark mirage
#

just so much to track, its way way harder then affliction in that department, and you are melee on top

#

I like the fact that you got to setup a bit before you pump, so its great when it goes

hardy dagger
#

It's alot yeah but very satisfying to play poghypers

kind forge
#

yea enjoy that assa is good in aoe now

drifting cedar
#

I like the preparing part too

ornate pier
#

is there any pi document

#

?

fair ingot
lofty tiger
ornate pier
ornate pier
lofty tiger
ornate pier
#

on bloodmallet its said 11.11. update

balmy condor
#

yeah that's good enough

blazing plaza
#

is assa with pi better then outlaw for raid ?

drifting cedar
royal lantern
#

we dont know anything yet

#

so pls dont say yes lol

near valley
#

Yes

deft cave
#

yes

drifting cedar
static glacier
#

I say this as someone who got pi as OL in vault

royal lantern
#

BRUH

static glacier
#

Legitimately never felt more useless with pi than on that spec

#

I’m telling you it’s giga cursed

balmy condor
#

what a terrible day to have eyes

pure sail
#

is there a way to configure plater to highlight the mob affected by a spell? choose a color or something

#

sometimes in big messy pulls im losing the target affected by caustic spatter

snow kindle
#

Pi is a crutch we have standards

#

Let casters feel giga

static glacier
#

I misinterpreted the question lmao

#

Thought he was asking if sin is the better pi target

royal lantern
#

oh

#

ye that makes sense

static glacier
#

We don’t really know, if I had to guess I’d bet sin is better on atleast two fights

#

Namely smolderon and tindral

thorny pond
#

!wa

dark token
#

Sub gonna smolder smolderon

prisma monolithBOT
snow kindle
#

In a straight 1v1 I’d say outlaw always wins but sin getting augmented and Pi will win no matter what

tawny geyser
#

How is Lariat performing these days? I havent played sincr S1 and I dont see anyone wearing Lariat…whats up with it?

balmy condor
#

got nerfed hard

tawny geyser
#

So I should pick up Torc Passed Time?

balmy condor
#

really any replacement

#

but you will want to get rid of your lariat

#

it's pretty good in dungeons once you get all your sockets

#

but that's more of a bis thing

static glacier
tawny geyser
#

Okii, I guess I will use my Spark on the neck then.

balmy condor
#

even then it's not great

snow kindle
dark token
#

Debating saying fuck outlaw and going silk lining Hmm

static glacier
balmy condor
#

silk

modest tree
#

hello

snow kindle
static glacier
#

There’s opportunity cost to getting pi, you can’t just ignore it

snow kindle
hoary remnant
modest tree
#

learning assassin because it's fun

#

quite frequently out of energy, mind, usually about halfway through the wowhead opener (st, for reference)

#

how does garrote work in terms of energy generation?

#

hope you're all well x

robust axle
#

Fixed by using thistle tea 🙂

royal lantern
#

do you have poisons active

modest tree
#

all 3 in opener tho

#

i do, aye

#

wait

royal lantern
#

its something many people miss when they change talents

modest tree
#

i'll get back to you

dark token
#

I don't go out of energy in opener idk

modest tree
dark token
#

If you aren't using deadly poison, and instead instant poison, you will have energy problems

static glacier
# snow kindle Pi is not separate

On logs ye, but I think you understand what I mean, it’s an external. Pi dps isn’t inherently a sin thing, you can get similar value with other targets.

modest tree
#

is it usually pressed on proc throughout?

modest tree
#

covers whole screen except button when it's out

cunning basin
#

Yeah if you have poisons applied and bleeds up due to Venomous Wounds you should never be out of energy during opener

gentle locust
#

what's the best first button to press after vanish - garrote or max cp rupture

balmy condor
#

depends on your cp

cunning basin
#

If you're below 4 cp, garrote, if you're 4+, rupture

#

Same concept as the whole rest of rotation

balmy condor
#

well yes but no

gentle locust
#

i'm asking because I'm not sure it should be same as the rest of rotation

balmy condor
#

you'd want to either gar finish gar or finish gar finish

#

it's MA window

cunning basin
#

I just mean if below 4, builder, if 4+, spender

balmy condor
#

so envenom takes prio

cunning basin
#

But yeah that

#

I don't press finishers during MA window so I can see the exact moment my KB doesn't crit

rare jackal
royal lantern
#

you guys track crits?

rare jackal
valid dawn
#

Worth tracking caustic spatter uptime to remind us to mutilate in aoe?

cunning basin
cunning basin
royal lantern
gentle locust
#

i'm doing some target dummy math here and it looks like 6 cp rupture straight out of vanish is highest damage if you let it run till the end

cunning basin
#

I'm p sure normally when you vanish rupture almost always has 20+ seconds left since you refresh it during dance

#

So no point in refreshing it when it's that high, no?

gentle locust
#

I'm not clipping those by the way

balmy condor
gentle locust
#

am I being stupid here ? sorry I am new to assassination

balmy condor
valid dawn
#

kinda off topic noob question sorry... What is the best solution when using vanish on dummies to stop the reset? (details)

limber lion
#

Right click the title bar and choose "Dynamic Overall Damage"

#

It's under Scripts

valid dawn
#

ty

royal lantern
balmy condor
cunning basin
#

Being sure is not allowed

#

You must doubt and question everything

royal lantern
#

thats what im doing kekman

cunning basin
#

...go on

midnight mist
#

hello why is sin at the top here

image.png
#

is it as simple as big burst tend to be rng cause most of the damage is concentred in one thing

weak sierra
#

big bursty class i suppose

bleak ivy
#

so assa and outlaw are equally good

weak sierra
#

actually depends on if the Std Dev is calced dynamically through the sim, so measuring the burstiness of a sim. Or if the Std Dev is based on the end results of multiple sims.

strange python
#

I think it's cause Kingsbane Crits - or Doesn't Crit - and that leads to a large deviation in the dmg done

weak sierra
#

one measures the burstiness of the class, the other the reliablity on the damage amount

midnight mist
bleak ivy
weak sierra
#

that's probably right Avih, in which case these std dev is based on overal

strange python
weak sierra
#

deviation is amount it strays from the average

bleak ivy
#

ah alr

weak sierra
#

so is the end result of multiple sims roughly similar

#

or is there a large swing or not

#

depending on rng

strange python
#

You can run your sim - and click HTML Report - and check the deviation too yourself - it is quite large.

weak sierra
#

do you know how many sims are done as standard?

midnight mist
#

wdym by that

strange python
#

I wanna say it's near 10,000?

weak sierra
#

like, on raidbots or simcraft. They wont run a single sim. It will be thousands, maybe more and they will take the average. In order to get a std dev

#

im sure i can find out, i was just being lazy / someone might know

midnight mist
#

but it wont really matter for most things

#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
midnight mist
#

thats probably 0.1 margin of error, bout 30k is needed for 0.05, depends on specs tho

strange python
#

There's a quick sim I ran

image.png
weak sierra
#

ah cool

#

looks like the sim craft range is like 194k to 267k

royal lantern
#

thats how

midnight mist
#

ye got it

#

L spec

#

not playing a gamba spec on prog thats for sure

weak sierra
#

where as havoc is like 211k to 272k

midnight mist
strange python
#

I mean in that chart you posted above - that's not large enough of a difference really for me to like not run sin over even something nearer the bottom of that list.

weak sierra
#

hence the slightly lower std dev. Although thats a bit of an oversimplification

#

As someone who actually makes slot machine maths for a living. Seeing std dev around 3-4 is hilariously low 😄

Even the enh shaman at 4.6 isn't going to be massively rng compared to the lower ones

thorn needle
#

What builds are people planning on playing on the different bosses? Worth padding.......

royal lantern
#

its zac making memes

strange python
#

Yeah that was my point

weak sierra
#

i think guild leaders should memorise that chart, so if they see a dps underpeforming they can know how rng it might be.
Underperforming on a low std dev class = kick. Sin gets a free pass though

midnight mist
#

Im not playing a casino spec

#

during prog

#

I will be playing outlaw instead fuck that

strange python
#

Yeah but what's the difference between 4.3 and 3.9 lol

grand trail
#

sandbaggers rise up

valid dawn
snow kindle
royal lantern
#

pov: outlaw "players" during a raidfight

robust axle
#

!plater

#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
unborn hatch
#

Hej 🙂 Just want to ask: is it normal to struggle at bosses in m+ with the ulti m+ skilltree?

royal lantern
#

yeeee, boss dmg is rough rn

midnight mist
robust axle
#

wdym

lucid rain
#

boss damage in m+ spec feels like if you make a small mistake, you feel the consequences of it

royal lantern
lucid rain
#

that's been my experience practising on the dummy (not the coin flip part)

unborn hatch
#

okay thanks so Im not alone 😄 though I was doing something wrong since aoe is party 🙂

royal lantern
#

aoe is big, boss dmg suffers a good chunk, idk how it will change with actual 10.2 stuff

#

tier set alone can make a bigger difference there

oak tangle
#

yo some people really need to learn statistics, tha chart has literally zero representation of class dps

thin radish
#

Does anyone have a WA of optimal time to vanish during KB?

#

I feel like I sometimes miss the second tick of KB by vanishing either too early or late

royal lantern
#

gets a border at 3seconds

oak tangle
#

it's important to hit it as close to but after 3 seconds left right?

thin radish
lucid rain
#

I imagine you'd want to vanish at 2.9s remaining

#

y/n?

oak tangle
#

actually no that wouldn't make sense

#

i'd assume kb ticks 1/s which would mean you can't really get 3 ticks worth

#

unless you vanish before 3s and break after 3s

slim hamlet
balmy condor
#

kb is like any other dot and ticks once every 2 seconds

#

you want to vanish on 2.9

oak tangle
slim hamlet
#

Thank god for 2 sec tick btw

#

Got a bit of leeway

slim hamlet
oak tangle
#

exactly

slim hamlet
#

So to see how rng the spec can be

oak tangle
#

zero representation of the dps they do

#

it is the accuracy of a sim

#

per se

manic quartz
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
slim hamlet
#

Which is exactly what they talked about

oak tangle
#

nah there were some using it as a dps comparison

slim hamlet
#

💀

thin radish
#

If KB ticks every 2secs, could you vanish anywhere between 2.01s and 2.99s?

#

and get the 2 ticks to crit

balmy condor
#

yes but the closer you vanish to 2, the more you'd be missing from deathmark

thin radish
#

True

oak tangle
balmy condor
#

technically yes

oak tangle
#

but worth more to spend the gcd to get bigger stack i presume

slim hamlet
#

Anyone knows when plater tick a second down

#

Like from 4 to 3

molten galleon
#

!pi

slim hamlet
#

Is it at 3.5, 3 or 3.9

#

You know?

oak tangle
#

no idea on plater, details has a setting for it, plater may too

slim hamlet
#

I must assume it is at exactly 3 considering it is never on 0

balmy condor
royal lantern
#

weaklings that vanish their kb

#

i dont and keep vanish to reset fights and just crit anyway

marble whale
royal lantern
lucid rain
#

something something biden blast

#

fuck

#

beat me to it dracthyr_kek

#

for the above build, it would depend on how much time you spend in execute right?

marble whale
#

it's just that is not constantly energy starved in ST

lucid rain
#

right

clever sapphire
#

but you dont get the nice poison bomb procs with that build

#

is it even worth it at that point

marble whale
#

i just moved the fatac concotion point to iron wire 0.7% less dps

lucid rain
#

iron wire is so powerful for 1 point it blows my mind

balmy condor
#

venom rush and blindside

#

feels so wrong

#

like I recognize it's basically the arterial build

#

but god damn

hardy dagger
#

Deepfried build

balmy condor
#

its like it actually could not decide

#

what to be

#

and decided to be nothing

royal lantern
balmy condor
#

picks all aoe talents
yeah venom rush and blindside seem nice

#

??

lucid rain
#

the fact that you can silence and put 15% DR on 9 mobs in a pull is wild to me

marble whale
#

Feel-craft but Flying Daggers doesn't seem worth over Venom Rush to me

balmy condor
#

also seems to be simming lower in both 5 target and 1 target

hardy dagger
balmy condor
#

I'm gonna chalk it up to probably my apl

clever sapphire
#

did you use raidbots to sim or feelcraft

marble whale
#

i did sims with old tier set, maybe new one changes things

balmy condor
#

cause I just spent the better part of 5 hours merging changes

#

and my head hurts

hardy dagger
#

That build on tyran seems rough

balmy condor
#

I mean it's a straight upgrade to the arterial build on tyran

#

it's within like 1% on single target from what I see

#

but like

#

it's also 1% worse in aoe

#

so

#

might be an old tier thing tbh

#

idk

#

I get it

#

but I don't

median solar
#

Potentially dumb question - Spending spark of dreams now okay on toxic boots if i'm low ilvl?

#

and i don't own any

royal lantern
#

would keep tbh

#

and wait until max lvl craft

dark token
#

Bruh this one guy in my guild has 3 chars renown 20 before anyone else even has renown 18

royal lantern
dark token
#

He didn't bug abuse either literally every time I logged in he was farming 5 rep seeds

#

Like a monk

#

For 4 days straight

timber meadow
#

(so this is just curiosity, dont think it has much relevanace in actual gameplay) but I know IC is smart targeting but how smart is it? i haven't actually played close enough attention on aoe opener. Let's say 5 targets and I IC garrote once and then rupture once - will it apply rupture to the same duplicate targets as garrote was duplicated to?

dark token
#

Not guaranteed

#

If the adds moved

timber meadow
#

ig this may be relevant on huge target counts

#

okay, so if all targets are stacked, for example, then it will try to duplicate rupture to same targets as garrote if it can

#

but variance is in where mobs are kinda thing

dark token
#

No

#

The duplication doesn't try to do anything with garrote plus rupture

timber meadow
#

kk

#

just puts garrotes and ruptures on targets that done have it

#

but doesn't care about the combo

dark token
#

Each independently goes 1) nearest target to ur char 2) if those targets have rupture it goes to next closest without 3) if all targets in range have rupture it goes to lowest duration target

#

Rupture and garrote behave independent like this

#

What do you mean by combo

#

It doesn't really matter whether the same or diff targets have garrote/rupture on em

timber meadow
#

just meant working dependently/independently

dark token
#

Except for your main target

#

It's the same dmg either way

timber meadow
#

okay thanks

lucid rain
#

that blindside m+ build is fun

marble whale
#

see

dark token
lucid rain
#

I think it's doing less on the dummy than dtb because a bunch of the power of the build is tied into execute, which the dummy isn't going into obviously

#

but it feels good to play

lucid rain
near osprey
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
royal stream
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
wide ferry
arctic venture
#

Hello guys

#

do we have the new talent builds for Raid and M+?

lucid rain
#

check the wowhead guide

timid eagle
clever sapphire
#

you know its bad, when someone that only joined 3 days ago, already knows the way to answer these questions (aka pins )

royal lantern
#

guys, i have an idea for a great drinking game

#

everytime a new rogue related wowhead article comes out

#

check if it includes outlaw in some way, wait 2hours, open the comment section and take a shot everytime you read the word "Combat"

thin radish
#

Ohhh Master Assassin doesn't give 100% crit chance, it's only 30%

royal lantern
#

fuck dance

spiral pasture
royal lantern
#

and tbh, MA didnt give 100% for almost 5years now dracthyr_kek

thin radish
#

Yeah oops, thought it hadn't changed since Legion

#

I was wondering why I wasn't getting 2 crits of KB sometimes

wide ferry
#

@spiral pasture not me in the vid feel free to message him hes very responsive

lucid rain
#

I miss mantle dude

#

what a great item it was

thin radish
#

Was it 6 sec of 100% crit?

wide ferry
#

tried a heroic raid as OL last night and ive come to the conclusion i need 3 lines of yay and an iv of redbull to play it properly...so here we are

lucid rain
#

I believe so

#

dfa combo with vanish was bananas

vale mortar
lucid rain
#

or PB procs when you envenom out of vanish

#

jfc

#

dopamine surge was unreal

kind forge
#

mantle was really goated

dark token
#

Keep in mind it didn't work with dance back then

#

Or subterfuge

#

Only vanish

lucid rain
#

any moonglaives enjoyers?

steel spire
#

DoS o7

kind forge
#

engine of eradication enjoyer

royal lantern
#

not 3

slim hamlet
#

I fucking LOVE wowhead commenters

#

A guy is mad because he can't have MfD for legacy farming

strange python
#

Who cares - just let the guy be mad ?

slim hamlet
#

but wowhead comments is BIS content

steel spire
#

we had burst of speed and they want mfd

gusty mirage
lyric silo
timber meadow
#

if you have cd's coming up and say its a fight similar to zskarn - it would be a huge prio dmg increase to rupture 2-3 targets (or ideally 5) cause kb would then snapshot not just the nightstalker dmg but also the scent of blood agi increase as well?

#

like assuming timings dont fuck you, its worth delaying cds a bit if you can get a couple ruptures up before kb if all you care about is prio dmg

limber lion
#

Also you wouldn't play Scent on Zskarn to begin with

slim hamlet
#

so always main target + 2

royal lantern
subtle kiln
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just blame sub rogues for dance

timber meadow
limber lion
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Nightstalker is the only thing that snapshots in the game for us currently

smoky leaf
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do you guys macro dance to kb or nah?

royal lantern
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i do

limber lion
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No, but you can do that if you want to

urban shale
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Hey, can someone explain how the deathmark effect actually works, do I have to have everything applyed beforehand or the effect will continue if I reaply for example garrote in the 16 second window?

limber lion
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and

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any bleeds applied during it

smoky leaf
placid adder
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Is there a correct way to macro it besides /cast /cast cause I swear only dance goes off sometimes

limber lion
strange python
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Yeah I just have dance/KB macro'd