assassination

[keen spruce]

idk why they can't just give them that sheesh

[fallen forge]

why you gotta call me out like that

[slim estuary]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

Rotation guide doesn't mention using shadow dance? I am assuming pair it with kingsbane? since every second SD is in conjunction with DM for improved garrote?

[haughty flicker]

at least by pooling you're still interacting with energy even if its slow

if it were just "you dont press any buttons bc you have no energy" i'd like sin a lot less

[keen spruce]

SD is a cooldown, just refer to the opener section for it's usage

[slim estuary]

Yeah so pair DM>TB>SD>KB

but since DM is 2 its TB>SD>KB and then DM>TB>SD>DM

[dark token]

Tb?

[keen spruce]

i'm guessing you mean shiv

with tb

[clever sapphire]

Wat da hell is tb

[keen spruce]

toxic blade

u goldfish memoried boobs

[balmy condor]

Tuberculosis

[clever sapphire]

Dont you dare assume that i can remember more than 1 talent name

[slim estuary]

People don't call it TB?

[balmy condor]

No one calls it that

[slim estuary]

I call it that

[balmy condor]

Exactly

[keen spruce]

but yes @slim estuary basically dm,shiv,dance,kb,gar,env every 2 min

shiv,dance,kb,gar,env every 1 min

same same

but different

[clever sapphire]

Do you also call it tb when playing sub? Or do you call it shiv there

[keen spruce]

but still same

[hardy dagger]

It was toxic blade in legion iirc

[subtle tundra]

yes we all know

[blazing jewel]

Wow whisp is just so toxic unreal

[slim estuary]

it was

[keen spruce]

but it was shiv before toxic blade

[blazing jewel]

Okay but who played back then

[keen spruce]

i had a lv 34 tauren hunter in vanilla

tyvm

[slim estuary]

There is only legion and after legion

[blazing jewel]

This will be the first tier I’ve played where rogue is a burst spec

[keen spruce]

and in wrath and cata. I played the entire time with 0 people on my friends list and just queue'd random BGs and arena 2s

[cunning basin]

[keen spruce]

simpler times simpler shmeeps

[slim estuary]

it will always be TB in my heart

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

Shmeepsaboo tearing it up in arenas

What a time

[balmy condor]

If you come at me then you into beastiality cause you fucking with the goat

Amen ong fr fr

[royal lantern]

what

i just woke up man, why do i read that

[balmy condor]

3:40 am I’m off the meds

[cunning basin]

He spittin

Bars

[dark token]

So that's how it feels reading my 4 am late night discord posts

[blazing jewel]

If she doesn’t have a baphomet poster in her room I don’t want her you feel me

[cunning basin]

Fuck it's 6 am I have to work in an hour and a half

God dammit

[royal lantern]

baphomet is the goat ok (i play SMT and he is always a really good mid-to-lategame demon there)

[balmy condor]

None of the lights in her room work except the dark red rgb light strip she has on the trim of the wall

[blazing jewel]

Wtf is smt

[blazing jewel]

And the door doesn’t close right can’t forget that part

[cunning basin]

Yo what if hero talents give us hunger for blood back

[balmy condor]

It’s me irl, cause SMT is just smut without u

What’s good bbgurl

Come through

[blazing jewel]

[cunning basin]

Holy shit this guy has rizz

[hardy dagger]

[limber lion]

Whispyr's farming today

[blazing jewel]

Whisp guy meet me out back behind the hot topic

[cunning basin]

Bruh hot topic isn't even hot topic enough anymore, Spencer's is the real hot topic now

[blazing jewel]

I haven’t been in one in so long

Is it bad now

[balmy condor]

Meet me at the old Best Buy turned skatepark/graffiti mural

[royal lantern]

Shin Megami tensei

oldschool hardcore rpg games, play thoss if you want a turn based game that hates you and kills you on an encounter start because you didnt have resist lighting equiped

[cunning basin]

It's not great, I still go there for the anime shirts sometimes but Spencer's has all the stuff old hot topic used to have

[blazing jewel]

Hot topic music though

[cunning basin]

True

Hot topic still plays bangers

[keen spruce]

maybe the real seeds we've been planting all week are the seeds of insanity in our minds

[blazing jewel]

Yes

[balmy condor]

[cunning basin]

Oh no those are full insanity trees already

[blazing jewel]

I think I have 10 hours of target dummy practice in the last week

They started speaking to me

[dark token]

I can't believe I farmed 1 entire renown level with nerfed seeds

[balmy condor]

No shot

[dark token]

[cunning basin]

I played wrath classic

[keen spruce]

500 seeds good seeding soldier

[cunning basin]

Same thing really

[balmy condor]

You did a whole 2500 renown +5ing one at a time

That’s deranged

[dark token]

My guildie is already 18 and grinded to 20 just doing +5 seeds

[cunning basin]

Renown 🤢

[balmy condor]

💀

[keen spruce]

that's 25 hours of seeds if you don't count the time to fly between them

[dark token]

Instead of waiting till weds like a normal human

[jaunty nest]

is there way to get more energy regeneration bit new to rogue but im running out like all the time with no buttons to press

[keen spruce]

the math is gettin suspiciouis

[dark token]

Actually autistic

[balmy condor]

That’s intended design

[keen spruce]

well actually that doesn't account for sniping in progress seeds

[jaunty nest]

D:

rogue not as spammy as other classes?

[balmy condor]

:)

[cunning basin]

Hey not all of us are like that don't lump me in with that

[balmy condor]

Assassination isn’t, outlaw is VERY spammy

[haughty flicker]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923682607857685

[jaunty nest]

i have same issue on outlaw tho T_T

[cunning basin]

Outlaw is more spammy than other classes

[jaunty nest]

i run out of stuff to press

[balmy condor]

Bro no shot you just said that

[drifting cloud]

you run out of stuff to press on 70apm spec?

alright

[cunning basin]

Ain't no way

[haughty flicker]

no hold on

[jaunty nest]

i think i use

wrong energy

[balmy condor]

Outlaw is the most button spammy class in the game

[haughty flicker]

before tier outlaw does run out of energy and feel like shit

[jaunty nest]

or combo point is messed up a bit

[haughty flicker]

and if you play bad it makes it worse

[jaunty nest]

oh

i have auction house gear

:<

[cunning basin]

Oh

Well yeah that's gonna hurt a little

[keen spruce]

no booli the leaf names

[balmy condor]

I don’t see leaf’s on mobile

:3

[cunning basin]

Same

[balmy condor]

Everyone bullied equally

These hands rated E

[cunning basin]

Bruh

[keen spruce]

for Especially new people

[lucid silo]

Call the bully hunters

[keen spruce]

[cunning basin]

We're actually getting full on rabid at 6 am on a Sunday morning

[jaunty nest]

so energy is messed up until i get raid tier set?

[balmy condor]

I’d say I’m feral but I don’t associate with them like that

[haughty flicker]

as outlaw there will be periods where you just run out of energy before tier yes

[cunning basin]

If you're playing outlaw yeah, you'll have moments where your energy is fucky, but for assa, the energy management is a core part of the spec

[haughty flicker]

but like i said playing poorly makes it worse so read the faq and all that

and you can mitigate it

[jaunty nest]

im watching a video on assassination and this guy spams

[haughty flicker]

sin spams during cds

[cunning basin]

Outside of CDs it go slow

[limber lion]

1. Do you have Venomous Wounds in your talents?
2. Do you have poisons on? (4 with Dragon-temped Blades)
3. Do you have bleeds on the target?

[jaunty nest]

i have feelign i picked the hardest class to play T-T

[jaunty nest]

um

[mossy canopy]

hi i'm a complete scrub and i know this is a bad question but i can't figure out why shiv is used with kingsbane when it does non-lethal poison

[jaunty nest]

i copied whatever this is

[limber lion]

Good

Do you have 4 poisons on

[cunning basin]

Don't feel too intimidated, it can look a bit complex at first

[limber lion]

You should have 4 poison buffs

[jaunty nest]

yah i do that

[limber lion]

Amp Poison, Deadly Poison, Numbing Poison and Crippling Poison

[mossy canopy]

assassination is so much better than outlaw

[cunning basin]

If you talent into improved shiv (you always do) it gives you a 30% nature damage buff

[limber lion]

Now all you do is spread Garrotes/Ruptures on mobs and you're chilling with energy

[jaunty nest]

my mind is blown rn

how to spread rupture and garrote

[mossy canopy]

ok thanks - i knew there must have been a talent i wasn't aware of. I'm a recent convert from subtlety

[limber lion]

Read Indiscriminate Carnage

[cunning basin]

Ahh yeah. Shiv is a relevant spell round these parts

[jaunty nest]

o wutt

is entering and exiting stealth also a core play?

[mossy canopy]

is for all rogue specs really

either thru vanish or dance

[cunning basin]

Yeah stealth is big important

In terms of interacting with your rotation

[jaunty nest]

dance also counts as exiting stealth?

[mossy canopy]

it counts as being in stealth - i don't think you get the after stealth stuff

[magic meadow]

I'm a bit confused as to why you don't remove crimson tempest directly and change IC so that it's done on all targets.

[cunning basin]

What

[magic meadow]

delete Crimson Tempest and Talent: Indiscriminate Carnage give the option to use garrote and rupture on all targets.

[subtle tundra]

this is a troll

[magic meadow]

no its not

[subtle tundra]

then go to #subtlety

[mossy canopy]

CHALLENGE: convince me why blackjack is better than TotT

[magic meadow]

stop talking bullshit about me, if you don't know me.

[subtle tundra]

oh i fucking will

you sound pitiful

[cunning basin]

Because in high keys you'll never rip threat off your tank but there is a realistic possibility of wanting an aoe 30% Dr on dangerous packs

[cunning basin]

What the fuck do you even mean lmao we don't control what the talents do??

[drifting cloud]

it does irrelevant threat anyways, its only useful if youre pulling for the tank

which you probably shouldnt be doing

[cunning basin]

Tricks is basically never better than blackjack+airborne irritant

[drifting cloud]

unless theres some snapshots

[subtle tundra]

how many dps specs have a tank defensive in their kit?

[cunning basin]

And if for some reason you're not playing airborne irritant... Well, don't do that, play the good talents

[mossy canopy]

i misread it as only a healing reduction thought it was AOE wound poison basically - i think i need to get some sleep

[haughty flicker]

tricks was nice for pulling the invisible dudes in hoi pugs

since the tank would invariably get fucking stunned somehow if i didnt

[cunning basin]

Oh yeah no blackjack is fucking nuts

[timber meadow]

I actually love the energy management and how it makes you feel strong/weak at the right points in the fight in raid.... but in M+ on these long-ish tyran bosses....it's significantly worse than raid but think thats just how it is with M+ build

[cunning basin]

Yeah that's just kinda the life of the m+ build Ive noticed

It's pretty nice. The resource management being relevant is cool to me since the last time I played assa was in WoD and s2 assa has been significantly different from that

Tyrannical bosses are a fuckin slog, it sucks but it's not going anywhere so yeehaw 🤠

[timber meadow]

yeah like im not hating - trust me, this is the first time ive just naturally wanted to play assa all the time vs. the other two since probably BFA but yeah the M+ is brutal... literally feels so bad (also i may just have to get used to the extremely slow playstyle on bosses)

[mossy canopy]

yeah tricks has saved me heaps and i use it all the time but probably don't need to

[timber meadow]

i wasn't a fan of the like always perma-on, middling cd, no real creativity playstyle and this rework changed like ALL of that for me its fucking amazing

its still a bit scripted but the energy management adds enough flavor for me to make it feel reallllly fun

[mossy canopy]

yeah i tried to learn outlaw and just aged my hand tendons by like 10 years

assass so much nicer

[cunning basin]

I do love me some outlaw

But I've been promised pi if I play sin so

I mean I guess to be fair I'm not like a one trick of any spec or super attached to any, I'll play whatever is best because I just enjoy the class as a whole

[grand trail]

we dont have PI for me so im kinda free to play w/e i want

unless our DK play frost

[rotund oak]

Im getting PIs this tier 😄

[hardy dagger]

Pretty sure pi is better on assa after pull

[cunning basin]

Depending on where unholy dk falls on meters I might get it over ours

[ionic matrix]

You should be getting it on every pi after the initial.

[hardy dagger]

[grand trail]

yeah idk

i dont feel like fighting over it

[hushed fable]

Whoever was asking before about meld macro /use [noform,nocombat]Stealth; [form:2,nocombat]Stealth; [form:1,nocombat]Shroud of Concealment; [combat]Shadowmeld Something like this should work.

I use it for vanish and it works.

[rotund oak]

u dont rly have to fight for it man,they will undertand alone that sin is just better suited for PIs

if they are reasonable sin should get PI

[hardy dagger]

Yeah well pi should not be something to be fought over, you map it over a fight and see who it benefits the most

[cunning basin]

Shouldn't be a fight, numbers are numbers and numerically speaking sin will likely be stronger than unholy

[timber meadow]

so even when dk has their shit back at 3 minutes were still a abetter pi target because... no lust?

[ionic matrix]

Correct.

[grand trail]

will have to see

[timber meadow]

coo

[rotund oak]

Sin has also a very strong execute phase so idk

its an execute specc

[grand trail]

there was PI chart posted in guild discord and warlocks were sad

[cunning basin]

We're also the best target for spriest pi specifically if any poor souls still play that spec

[ionic matrix]

Correct.

[grand trail]

we have one healer priest

[cunning basin]

Idk pi targets been pretty stagnant for a while it's nice to see a shake up

[royal lantern]

i STILL dont get that one

shadow is using pi 3seconds into a fight, shadow pi does almost nothing at all for assa lol

like, by the time you have dm+kb out, 50% of pi is gone

[timber meadow]

were a pretty casusal guild and our RL hates pi witha burning passion and everything about it, so ill find out before a boss if im getting it if i ask probably ...

[cunning basin]

As far as I know shadow has about the same ramp time as we do

[rotund oak]

u can talk things out with SP to allign stuff

[royal lantern]

they dont

its not 4years ago lol

shadow doesnt ramp shit

mindbender->dark ascension->pi

thats the Opener

[hushed fable]

Yeah, Especially with the new build. You just mindbender-> DA+PI

[timber meadow]

ye if da is the build now, its very fast to get to pi

about 3 seconds in is correct

[cunning basin]

So you just shorten your opener then, no?

[royal lantern]

you dont, shadow is not delaying stuff, it legit kills themself

[ionic matrix]

Don't think your giving enough respect to stealth garrote and how much damage our bleeds do even if sp pi comes a bit early

[timber meadow]

at least with void form they wanted to dump mb charges so there was a little ramp but with da ya its fast af

[rotund oak]

stupid@ss specc

[earnest remnant]

good thing you can just go "hey it takes me like 6-8 sec for me to get my cds out"

[rotund oak]

😄

[earnest remnant]

and they then go ok

[timber meadow]

who tf gettin pi from an spriest this tier tho lets be real

[cunning basin]

Me

[earnest remnant]

probably me2

[rotund oak]

me if possible ty

[ionic matrix]

Believe spriest is basically banned in any top 250 guild.

[timber meadow]

damn aight, was mostly joking haha but yeah with spreist its a lil quicker if you dont talk to them about it

[cunning basin]

No but like for real, is it a massive DPS loss to just use the shortened opener if you're getting spriest pi to line things up better? Am I insane for thinking that?

[timber meadow]

for what parts of your opener do you need pi to be most effective - since it cant cover the entire thing from pull to end

[earnest remnant]

guess i have to break the news to our spriest then, damn

[cunning basin]

They don't know

[ionic matrix]

Surprised it hasn't already been done. Point him towards the bench

[cunning basin]

Kek

[royal lantern]

how much shorter do you want lmak

[earnest remnant]

the SP just moves his cds by 5 sec

[cunning basin]

Send finishers with only one builder, something whispyr talked about before iirc

[timber meadow]

ngl, i dont get all the doomer on spriest - like for any not insane omega guild... wasn't spriest blasting st on ptr? i saw a buncha logs with it doing pretty decent pure st dmg

or am i kappin? i swear i saw that shit

[spice surge]

People doom regardless of whats happening

[cunning basin]

Makes sense

[ionic matrix]

Then they nerfed it 35%

[timber meadow]

ah okay, so what i saww was "early" ptr

[vestal wren]

people doom out of uncertenty

[timber meadow]

gotcha

[ionic matrix]

Yeah it was blasting early

[vestal wren]

nobody wants to play whats considered weak or bad

[cunning basin]

^

[timber meadow]

i will say the one thing thats like LEGIT AF to doom about is that tier piece BLOWS

[vestal wren]

it gets worse when some people have very one sided views

[timber meadow]

having to kill yourself everytime you use your tier

is actually balls

[vestal wren]

like i remember certain people telling people that they troll their raid if they play outlaw

when outlaw was like 2-3% behind

[split jewel]

no one wants to play what's "nerfed"

nerfed from SS to S? trash

[vestal wren]

statements like this don't lead to people enjoying what they like to play

[subtle tundra]

i don't want to play a pi infested spec, im sub

[slim hamlet]

Insanely based

[vestal wren]

haha ^^

[cunning basin]

Yeah it's like people feel like they need to play the best spec when in reality, it will rarely matter what spec you play

[vestal wren]

welcome to the sub club then

[spice surge]

Were gonna see a lot of that with "why arent you playing assa" since PI is gonna skew the logs

[timber meadow]

isn't outlaw just as bad with pi and stronger on st?

[vestal wren]

yes, and i get that in game

[rotund oak]

we need to buy varas priest PI thrown to him so he can go back being sin

[vestal wren]

but in the community, esp. from trusted players

its not as good if we portrait things to be black and white

[subtle tundra]

oh i'd get PI, i dont want it. i refuse externals

[cunning basin]

My guild already has no idea how to read logs, they told me that rogue was busted for half of this tier

[royal lantern]

just macro cancleaura on all abilitys

[vestal wren]

if you like a spec and its 2% behind, esp. early on

[cunning basin]

Giga based

[ionic matrix]

We will see, but outlaw suffers heavily from downtime and mechanics and doesn't have huge burst for damage amp phase.

Additionally it lacks execute damage.

It's very strong still but not sure how strong.

[vestal wren]

play it, playing what you enjoy will make you perform better

[spice surge]

"hey do you have the macro for me to PI you?"
"ye buddy"

/cancelaura Power Infusion```

[subtle tundra]

🥺

[cunning basin]

LMAO

Based fuckin macro holy shit

[rotund oak]

oxi will legit stop loving u if u go sub

[keen spruce]

I play assas or bench

just play enough assas to never get benched

[subtle tundra]

ill still play assa only in m+, ok? ill be a weird breed of sub raid assa m+

[vestal wren]

we all will enjoy the bench

[cunning basin]

For some people they'll play the thing that's 2% better bc that's the kinda player they are, but for the majority of people, play what you find fun

[vestal wren]

we have this bad boy

[cunning basin]

Fun > 2% theoretical dps

[keen spruce]

this just seems like a "fuck sub and assas specifcially" boss

but

i get to turn my whole raid into ducks

[vestal wren]

it seems to me like a ranged prefered fight

[split jewel]

BLight of Galakrond is espexially "fuck Ass"

[vestal wren]

its boss 4, so maybe its whatever

[cunning basin]

Spread cleave 🤢

[keen spruce]

morchie

dropping all of your dots

[split jewel]

that too

[ionic matrix]

I think it's going to be best for assa. Assa has always been best at spread cleave

[split jewel]

them bosses make me feel like I'm running Queensbane

[keen spruce]

it's mostly 2 target

[grand trail]

that fight is mostly 2t

[keen spruce]

and the 2 targets change

[grand trail]

so its kinda good for assa or outlaw

[cunning basin]

It's a gross fight

[keen spruce]

[vestal wren]

is queensbane a egirl?

[grand trail]

but assa having benefit of spreading bleeds to 3rd target in downtime

[dusk sun]

Hey im new to sin rogue are there any general tips that i should heed

[split jewel]

Queensbane is all tease, no commitment

[keen spruce]

I don't know the actual yardage, but you don't need to run very far for those non-pandemic bleeds on the off target to become very not worth it

[ionic matrix]

I imagine you will be bleeding your two targets and getting 25 second bleeds up on both, stepping to the third target to get bleed and then sitting until they either swap or step is back up for uptime

[keen spruce]

that sounds like my worst nightmare

[royal lantern]

https://www.light.gg/db/items/2044500762/the-queenbreaker/

its a gun

[grand trail]

yeah its w/e mate but i was playing sub on that fight (both mythic and herooic) and other rogue was playing assa. He was actually doing good dmg meanwhile i sux dicks

[cunning basin]

General tips are if you feel energy starved, don't worry that's a feature, not a bug, and your CDs are incredibly important so practice CD windows a lot

[keen spruce]

krill issue

i mean also very bad for sub tho

[cunning basin]

The guides on wowhead and icyveins are updated and good reads, lots of info for a newcomer defo recommend reading up a bit

[timber meadow]

if im tripple garroting the same target in aie during IC to get shit out, do the other targets get the iron wire debuff or only the target im physically spamming garrote on?

[grand trail]

sub do sinhgle target dmg there

[keen spruce]

all of them

very good talent

[royal lantern]

wait, what fight

[keen spruce]

council

[timber meadow]

love that

[grand trail]

ducks

[cunning basin]

On ptr I was top dps as outlaw for that fight

[keen spruce]

duck boss

[royal lantern]

yoooo ducks

[grand trail]

that was only fight out of all when i felt being sub one trick is hard

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-duck-feet-come-gif-23817855

[keen spruce]

me on my way to turn my whole raid into ducks on the first pull of the every raid night this tier

[cunning basin]

Assa felt okay for the fight but I was not very practiced with the new rotation, outlaw was more comfy and the easy 2 target cleave felt good

[keen spruce]

i mean you're just gonna let spatter do the heavy lifting

[grand trail]

yeah and grabble pretty good too there

[keen spruce]

2 target is still wack tho

[cunning basin]

Yeah it's gonna be a lil wack. Might be a case for me of hot swapping outlaw for simplicity sake

[grand trail]

assa is kinda simple with spatter .D

you just do your single target rotation same as outlaw

sometimes you spread bleeds in downtime

[cunning basin]

Yeah but then I have to work my 2 brain cells overtime to remember my rotation

[grand trail]

i was playing assa now on sark

[cunning basin]

[keen spruce]

to be fair

[grand trail]

and other than missing ACRO SO MUCH it was pretty pog

[keen spruce]

it's the most interesting coucil fight they've made in a long time

[grand trail]

yeah

its alright

[cunning basin]

It is, I actually like the fight

[keen spruce]

and ducks

so still a+ boss

[cunning basin]

Lmaoooo

[timber meadow]

with stuff dying so fast, doesn't feel like there's enough globals to get full ramp in with ct on tyran weeks but guess i just need to do bigger keys lol

[grand trail]

council in vualt were pretty boring and annoying

[dusk sun]

Shouldnt i always maintain 150 energy and more?

[grand trail]

this dont have that extra layer of annoying for melee

[keen spruce]

it was feelin that way right up past +20 for me

i think it'd start to feel good like around +25 depending on the rest of your group's dps

[dark token]

this is going well

[keen spruce]

on tyran

[cunning basin]

So the short answer is no, you'll run dry on energy and have to wait for a period, especially with the new 4 set having you chaining envenoms

[keen spruce]

dw about playing around sanguine blades. it's not really a gain and it's just one more brain cell being put to work

[dark token]

blood dk trying to solo

[cunning basin]

Yup SB gets value out of just playing and pooling correctly

[dark token]

but afflicted are clapping him

assa kinda good when packs live tho

[limber lion]

wtf is that dh doing

[dark token]

we are like chain wiping

so dont read too much into it

[timber meadow]

yeah I was thinkin same

[limber lion]

my friend was doing like 500k overall lol

[dusk sun]

Thanks for the tip I’ll keep practicing, transitioning from sub is a bit tricky

[dark token]

with aug?

we have no aug

[limber lion]

It was so aids playing with a dh

yeah maybe

[cunning basin]

Thankfully I play with an enh shaman

[keen spruce]

it's quite different, but pretty cozy once you get the hang of it

[cunning basin]

Me and him just smash our combined 2 brain cells together to do big number

[royal lantern]

im weak

i did a kb+dance macro

[cunning basin]

Rip

I probably maybe should but I'm not gonna

[royal lantern]

eh, still have dance seperated

and just put it on KB key

[cunning basin]

I had gloomblade macro'd to dance as sub for st

[royal lantern]

for those rare moments where i want dance only (which tbh never really happens?)

[keen spruce]

i'm doin it in m+ and raid idgaf

[cunning basin]

I was gonna say maybe the pack right before a tyrannical boss but idk probs still just send that shit

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha, you do it in m+ aswell shmeeps?

there is never a reason to NOT use dance and kb togheter lol

[cunning basin]

Yeah

[keen spruce]

there's some fringe cases maybe in m+ where you MIGHT want to desync them in an emergency

but yeah generally fk it we ball

[royal lantern]

ye thats why i left my old shadowdance keybind

and put dance+kb on the old kb keybind

[keen spruce]

if i ever have to do that

i'll just flip around and face away from the mob

and press my macro to dance so i can't kb

then turn back around

[cunning basin]

Based

[wind estuary]

Is it fine using dungeon slice to sim assassin stat weight

[dark token]

how do i do an execute sim the whole time

forgot the apl command for it

[keen spruce]

don't sim stat weights

but you can use dungeon slice to check if an item is an upgrade for you yeah

[keen spruce]

isn't there just a dropdown for execute patchwerk?

[fervent sundial]

How much is the difference between the no dance and the dance build dps wise. I rather don't want to lose acrobatic strikes

[wind estuary]

Alright thanks

[spice surge]

Iirc its like 4.5% or so

[keen spruce]

1.4% for me in ST

with my current gear

but now i want to check again

[spice surge]

Fair enough should be lower without a good 2 min like branch

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[keen spruce]

I feel like accounting for potential acro gains 1.4% is pretty competative/ almost better

[spice surge]

Maybe things changed to but i remember the 4% number from a while ago, in bis gear that is

[keen spruce]

i'm gonna resim jic i messed somethin up

I was kind of doing it on the fly

[timber meadow]

do you all ct before cd's ? apl is doing it after

like prob halfway through kingsbane-ish

[keen spruce]

yeah very smol difference in s2 gear

[timber meadow]

no dance? or ythat just an old name

[limber lion]

that's what he's comparing

dance to no dance

[timber meadow]

oh okay

[subtle kiln]

if you’re that worried about dance just macro it?

doesn’t help u in m+

[timber meadow]

yesterday when we were talkin bout ct you mentioned getting that up early... i did notice that the apl is ct'ing like halfway through kingsbane - any thoughts on why that is?

also, felt really good, got pi for first time yesterday and full evoker simp and someone in our guild goes, "wtf dudes out here doin 200k" lmao only had 7% call uptime too felt really good

[slim hamlet]

Should be around 4.5% with bis gear, guessing it is mostly branche and tier that makes the bigger difference

[limber lion]

Because it prioritizes Slice > Gar > Rupture > Envenom in that order before CT

It prioritizes Envenom because of Spatter + Kingsbane

But if you do not have one or the other, you would ignore the Envenom and go for CT first

[timber meadow]

ye sorry meant more that it's going into cd's first

like it slices/gar/ruptures and then it will go into cd's prior to ct'ing currently

whereas i would've thought intuitivelyt that id want to ct and then go into my deathmark+kingsbane jam

[limber lion]

Yeah because Spatter + KB + DM is massive and getting those on cd asap is a priority

If you CT, you would have to build up to Envenom again before you get to use CDS

[timber meadow]

coo makes sense

gotta just do higher keys

[limber lion]

the sims generally prefer using cooldowns asap but that won't necessarily always translate well to real life scenarios

You might want to use CT first before slamming cds typically, especially if you're sure that the mobs will survive long enough where the last ticks of KB will hit all mobs if you stall it for 2-3s

[austere moss]

dumb question but what is an envenom chain?

[limber lion]

Maintaining 100% uptime on Envenom for the 4p tier set.

You want to Envenom during Envenom to get the proc

so you want to chain Envenom casts and make sure you maintain uptime as much as possible

[lapis depot]

which telent choices do you play in m+ pre season?

[limber lion]

Wowhead has all the builds

[lapis depot]

yeah and i asked which one of these specs u play

[limber lion]

You have not mentioned specs in the sentence

There's 3 m+ builds to choose from

You just pick one

Pick the one you want

[slim hamlet]

Blood dk angle?

[dark token]

yeah

he solod from 10m

affllicted make it

[modern plaza]

do we stay at 150 energy for sanguine blades in st?

[slim hamlet]

Could've taken the momthly shower during that time

Not minmaxing smh

[slim hamlet]

You would until new 4pc, on wowhead rotation guide it explains what to do then

[modern plaza]

where? i can't find it on wowhead

not slacker or anything just genuine question

[slim hamlet]

Under "pooling effectively" but it doesn't fully ezplain. You start an envenom chain at high energy until you're completely out, then you charge back to 80ish% energy without caring about envenom falling off and then do it again

That is normal rotation outside cooldowns with 10.2 4pc

[indigo mulch]

This might sound like a stupid question but how does ct work now? I know it increase damage done when you have more targets around. But lets say i have 10 targets i throw out my ct and after 1s 9 out of those target dies. Does it still tick like there is 10 targets or does it just deal 1-target damage?

So my question is, does it snapshot? D:

[modern plaza]

it doesn't fully explain that 50% cap at sanguine blades right? i'm not delusional, i didn't understand how that work. thank you for answering me my friend, have a wonderfull day and drink a lot of water

[lusty narwhal]

this trinket is kinda sleeper lol

[cunning basin]

It'll snapshot the 10% from nightstalker if you use it during dance, but the tooltip reads that it would be dynamic

I do not know that for sure but it's probably easy to test

[subtle kiln]

compared to what?

[lusty narwhal]

Dunno but its doing some pretty cracked damage

probably isnt the best

[timber meadow]

yeah, currently in a situation where mobs aren't livign long enough for kb to fully ramp regardless.. im assuming the logic is something like "if kb can get last tick by not ct'ing first and it wouldn't get last tick with a ct cast then you cd first.... if you can get last tick while ct'ing first - then that may be better... if you cant get last tick regardless cuase you're doin pleb keys on tyran then... it doesn't matter either way?

and sorry for the delayed response was starting key as you responsed just got out

[limber lion]

Well the logic is that the more and the faster you use cds, the more you'll get them during the dungeon and the more cds you use in total, the more damage you do

But yeah it's not that black and white in real life

Honestly doesn't matter too too much, the super optimization in AoE is kinda whatever

[keen spruce]

I can't imagine that it would make a significant difference in actual use

[limber lion]

As long as you Gar/Rup/CT everything you see, you're madchilling

[timber meadow]

aight so for now, ill ct before cd's and wtvr i get out of kingsbane i get lol

[keen spruce]

like you're gonna end up throwing out a couple of 6 point kidneys in emergencies, have to vanish to survive some fuck up, run for your life from some fixate

don't think that moving CT forward or back a few globals is gonna make or break the dungeon

[cunning basin]

Not to mention the way you sequence things will heavily depend on what CDs you have up, if you got a restealth, what's going on around you, etc

So it's like idk I wouldn't worry too much about it

Press button deal damage ggez

[timber meadow]

yeah i hear ya, im def doin good dmg just tryna get as much baseline fundamentals as i can so that when i do have to make those choices etc the "correct" play is my baseline to work from

[pine ore]

!whispyr

[timber meadow]

rather than stacking on top of a bajillion bad other things im doin ha

[blazing roost]

guys i want to get some crafted gear to start this season as a pumper, just wondering what stats should i get on those? just slam crit mastery on everything?

[jovial verge]

The go to defacto crafted item for sin (and other rogue specs I think) is toxic thorn boots

[cunning basin]

Slam mastery and flip a coin to see if you go crit or haste for the other stat

[jovial verge]

which have stats already on them so no worries on that one regardless

[cunning basin]

Yolo

[dark token]

ok

actually

3rd boss of HoI 29

[blazing roost]

and what about the wrists?

[cunning basin]

...go on

[keen spruce]

I'd say that stuff falls under "miniscule robot optimizations", not baseline fundamentals

[timber meadow]

sounds great

totally cool with that being the fact just wanted to double check xD

[dark token]

3rd boss post healer mana nerf

nuts

2x healer

not enough

[jovial verge]

toxic patch on typically life-bound belt/bindings and for stats pretty much what @cunning basin said. You can always sim to see what stats would work out best for you

[brazen oasis]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[keen spruce]

what key level is this

[dark token]

blood dk is soloing again

[strange python]

Seems like a fun way to spend two hours

[keen spruce]

shouldn't that MW be like

closer to 200k

on that boss

[dark token]

its a trap MW alt

[keen spruce]

how did they end up in a 29 on a scuffy alt

[dark token]

cause its their main next season

we are doing this for 17 day 1

[keen spruce]

you chose an interesting dungeon

to do you no leaver on

[dark token]

yeahhh

afflicted makes it worse

[royal lantern]

just dispell it

[restive falcon]

Is Smolderon trink still one of our best since nerf or we waiting for info

[strange python]

https://vxtwitter.com/foreverguy5/status/1723060013013356989?s=46&t=TdE5BkeaWqz13v3UylfLkA lol is this accurate?

sin rogue got a wild opener?

[jovial verge]

I've heard it called a bit of a piano opener but its honestly not so bad

[oak tangle]

not like it's a hard list though, it's just a list

[indigo mulch]

Its a little bit trickier than the other specs. It took me a bit to get use to playing the piano but eventually i got it.

[strange python]

for sure, def the piano player this season

[oak tangle]

it honestly feels the closest to a rotation we've had, and most of it repeats every min

[strange python]

yeah no rotation is ever really bad, people just like to meme

[keen spruce]

it's not nearly as complicated as it looks

[oak tangle]

i mean more, that the spells we press are more determined now than ever

[strange python]

unless we talking like ele in gw2 that has like a 50 point opener

[indigo mulch]

The duck is right.

[keen spruce]

apply bleeds, envenom, press CDs, re-apply bleeds, vanish for master assassin

[oak tangle]

it's approaching sub levels of shadow dance gcd's

[keen spruce]

basically

[indigo mulch]

But then again you can say that about anything really 😄

[subtle tundra]

Outlaw brain so dead that they need poison reminder in the opener

[oak tangle]

the kb dance window i think is a good playstyle change

[slim hamlet]

No it just explains with new tier piece, but without u can just drop envenom for SB uptime afaik. The reason for the other pooling style is to chain envenoms for 4pc

[oak tangle]

can anyone walk me through the gist of what and when we are pooling now?

[strange python]

havoc this season very very chill also compared to s1. Kind of wish sin was a little less laundry list but its fine

[oak tangle]

is it to keep energy >100 ?

[jovial verge]

Its explained in the wowhead guide and in Whispyr's video about the ST rotation

https://youtu.be/piJ2sq8yNBQ?t=560

[oak tangle]

ty

[jovial verge]

The info in the video talks about not using Sanguine Blades but the pooling principles stayed the exact same regardless fyi

[oak tangle]

i love that he's in boralus

[uneven summit]

Have you guys crafted eyt?

[keen spruce]

there's no reason to craft

this week

unless you're trying to parse superblooms

[uneven summit]

i mean, ain´t that the whole purpose of wow really

[keen spruce]

[uneven summit]

Whats the first craft then, thorn or wep 😄 depending on drops i´d assume

[keen spruce]

every time I do something it gets nerfed or discovered to be bugged 20 minutes later

uh not wep

cuz we're gonna farm timestrike daggers from dungeons

likely toxic boots

[fleet pagoda]

i think there was a period in season 2 where crafted items just disappered too

never wanna be the first guy

[keen spruce]

but blizzard has been very aggressive with tuning passes and hotfixes at the start of patches this xpac

and it's entirely possible

[slim hamlet]

Weapon is rough to craft if you're gonna grind

[keen spruce]

that there's some random hotfix

[slim hamlet]

Considering each of nick of time does 1% more

[keen spruce]

that makes toxic boots not the option or w/e

[uneven summit]

Yeah

seen before

[earnest remnant]

no reason to commit to crafts until you actually need it

[keen spruce]

but if nothing changes it'll be toxic boots

[pure comet]

Guys

[keen spruce]

clown

[pure comet]

Im returning to WoW from a 3 months break

[keen spruce]

welcome back

[earnest remnant]

doing a 29 neltharus tonight as Assa most likely

[keen spruce]

[pure comet]

thank you

We have a updated talent tree for m+ in faq?

[keen spruce]

yee wowhead guide and icyveins fully up to date

faq i think is Work in progress

last i checked

[pure comet]

Wowhead back in my day wasnt the best for rogue assa

[dark token]

we are waiting 10 mins in intermissions

for lust

[pure comet]

but ill check icy

ty

[keen spruce]

@pure comet they're written by the same people and staff in this discord

and the same people that write the faq

[earnest remnant]

why lol? last boss is like the easiest of them all

[keen spruce]

you haven't been following the saga of their suffering

[near valley]

Is this the 1hr + run?

[keen spruce]

they 2 healed the 3rd boss and still had to have the BDK solo it

[earnest remnant]

feel like last boss would be kinda free

[keen spruce]

should be

[earnest remnant]

just dont die to the AoE bonk

[pure comet]

Omg a lot have changed

Theres a lot of options now

[keen spruce]

[pure comet]

Not in icy

ABOUT THE AUTHOR
This guide has been written and reviewed by Seliathan

Hiya! I'm Whispyr, Moderator and Theorycrafter in the Rogue Discord.

different persons i guess

[slim hamlet]

Seli is CF on ravenholdt

[pure comet]

Maybe all from here

yea

got it

[slim hamlet]

They use exact same info anyways

Might be very minor differences

[dark token]

our healer died and we needed to wait for cr as well

[fleet pagoda]

collusion

[dark token]

we did it

<100 deaths

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

aintnoway

[pure comet]

Do you have any recommendation to a m+ build? there is a couple options now we haven't months ago

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-computer-kid-okay-gif-4533805

[dark token]

that first boss....

[keen spruce]

u know what's wild

it would have been faster

to just run 2 keys next week to get back up to a 17

[dark token]

true

but time this week > time next week

[fleet pagoda]

[thorny pond]

Yes but now they know

[slim hamlet]

The "hybrid" build is generally the best, idk if that's what it's called on icyveins too

[dark token]

healer mana nerf is rough

i genuinely dont know how you do 3rd boss without 2 healers

[hexed willow]

Don’t you need 8 wyrm keys this week anyways?

[pure comet]

Much thank you

[hexed willow]

So building up the keys is good

[dark token]

no

im gonna spam 19s

overcap crests

wyrm will drop

i will overcap wyrm

then drake will drop

i will overcap drake

[hexed willow]

Ah I see

[dark token]

then whelplign will drop

thats how many keys i plan next week

[hexed willow]

25 keys, not bad not bad

I’m gonna do that but with wyrms to aspects so it’s a bit easier

(Cause temporary gear)

[dark token]

good luck on third boss

[velvet ridge]

I like AP build more tbh, those 5 target shivs, oooii

[dark token]

i also heard it was almost unhealable

[shrewd helm]

what are you guys crafting first?

[dark token]

my guildies wiped for 2hrs on 3rd boss and called it

29 nelth as well

assa actually feels nuts in high keys

stuff lives long enough its big dam

and nice single target for bosses even with AP build

i did like 900k burst on a pack with DM

[velvet ridge]

Oh shit, aug?

[dark token]

no aug

but i did have PI

[velvet ridge]

Wtf

[uneven summit]

do we use normal ambush from shadowdance/stealth?

[dark token]

yes

[velvet ridge]

I guess I haven't experienced a pack living long, only been doing 20s

[dark token]

i had snd + full cp from previous pack, it was like 8t, i went rupture garret garret rupture fok ct, mut envenom then did DM opener but refreshing CT/using double garrots again during kingsbane instead of rupture

its shorter ramp window as well

i think outlaw is better in low keys but in higher keys assa is actually quite competative (maybe i just suck at outlaw tho)

[jovial verge]

That would makse sense to me giving how both specs function

[reef coyote]

Hey all, may be a bit of a question but does deathmark duplicate current bleeds or the next ones i cast?

[past forum]

I haven’t done any super high keys but I feel like the aoe is still primo even if adds aren’t living incredibly long

[earnest remnant]

think we are gonna be fine

[dark token]

i think keys definitely harder this week than last from healer nerf

but you prob also have an aug dont you

these no aug keys are cursed

[copper hazel]

current, but if you cast new bleeds while deathmark is up, itll duplicate those (and replace the previous)

[reef coyote]

ok thank you, i was so confused as to when i should be casting it

[copper hazel]

can test it on a dummy to see what it does

will be much easier for you to see it

[reef coyote]

Yeah I've just been doing the emerald dream intro quests so thought i'd ask first, thanks 😄

[past forum]

What I’ve been struggling on in keys is ST. Unless I have all cds on pull I’m usually bottom for boss damage but top for overall by far, even in 20s. This is with the arterial shock build

Not sure if krill issue or build diff but either way havin fun

[thorny pond]

AP is lower

[plucky thistle]

For M+ do i also want 2x Wafting Devotion on weapons?

[thorny pond]

With more gear. Can sim yourself now to see the gap

[past forum]

Imagine readin all’at kekw

[cunning basin]

Imagine reading

I don't get paid to read I get paid to press my buttons gud

[past forum]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-meme-gif-27557281

[hexed willow]

Damn

[cunning basin]

And I'm all outta bubble gum

[hexed willow]

Y’all missing out

[velvet ridge]

Low keys super fun watching sudden demise dmg

[thorny pond]

Whispyr also states it in a video. Not gonna be added to go find it

[plucky thistle]

So shoud i sim stats or gear and change weapon enchants?

[thorny pond]

But yea the content is there for needing to know everything sin. Literally never been a better time to play assassin

[proper tapir]

You're saying AP builds are lower in damage for M+?

[thorny pond]

Just do a top gear, and swap just the weapon enchants

[velvet ridge]

Lower ST, higher cleave

[thorny pond]

You can get cute with it if it’s close

[thorny pond]

I’m not saying anything, the blue haired guy is

[slim hamlet]

What is the command that lets you hover over any ui element and see info on it

Cant find on google ples halp

[velvet ridge]

I think it depends on what you use, elv ui, I think mine is set to alt

[slim hamlet]

just the standard one

It's a command that opens ironman interface

Think it starts with s or something

[thorny pond]

/Jarvis

Idk

[slim hamlet]

Found it

/framestack

[thorny pond]

That’s some JS shit

[past forum]

ST damage, I thini

[plucky cargo]

Any high quality Assassination Rogues that I can see their keybinds? Excited to try out spec but overwhelmed with ability bloat. Interested to see bindings of high rated players.

[cunning basin]

We're all trash here

[tall wren]

Its still reccomended to craft the toxic boots with a spark of dreams right?

[keen spruce]

we have less buttons now than last tier

[slim hamlet]

not high quality but I got this. Middle row is shift modifiers and stealth + sprint is on mouse buttons

[maiden sierra]

Whats our bis trinkets this tier?

[cunning basin]

Bindings imo are a very personal thing, and it's all about what feels good and comfortable to you. All my binds are on 1-12, shift 1-12, and control 1-12

[thorny pond]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

ye

[slim hamlet]

green rogue

[keen spruce]

u get whatever binds i'm logged into when you ask

[thorny pond]

Check the sim in the Fuu spreadsheet:)

[slim hamlet]

I love that dog emote so much

[keen spruce]

it is my new favorite

and

[slim hamlet]

I don't have because no nitro

otherwise I would use it so much

[maiden sierra]

Spreadsheet looks to be pre signet nerf

[cunning basin]

If you really wanna see my binds I can ss some of them when I go on lunch in a bit but honestly if you're wanting to start playing you should start by feeling out what is comfy for you

[slim hamlet]

signet didnt get nerf?

[cunning basin]

Didn't it catch like 5% or something?

And embersoul got a lil buff?

[feral crest]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[slim hamlet]

nvm it defo did

10% yea

[velvet ridge]

IC and exsang bound

[plucky cargo]

Would appreciate it! I’ve been a Warrior forever looking to try Rogue as I’m getting bored, having issues with binding everything

[slim hamlet]

Thought everything got buffed

[cunning basin]

Ahh yeah nothing massive but annoying for sure

[slim hamlet]

So?

[oak tangle]

does master poisoner buff the envenom damage buff % on amplifying poison?

[cunning basin]

There's a pretty decent number of things you don't need to bind but yeah I get it. At least it's better than enhance shaman

[keen spruce]

swiss cheese tier

[cunning basin]

Fuck I'm so self conscious of my bars now

[slim hamlet]

MP only gives utility poisons better

[plucky cargo]

I just really feel like id love assassination, it’s like a melee affliction lock. Excited to try it out

[slim hamlet]

so crippling, numbing and atrophic

[slim hamlet]

so many holes

ew

[velvet ridge]

I've always been an intentional swiss cheese player

[keen spruce]

oh actually that dance bind on shift E shouldn't be there

[cunning basin]

I only have like 2 of mine somewhere actually visible, 2 are on the edges of my screen and so small you can't see them

[velvet ridge]

My mind sees in blocks

[keen spruce]

there

[oak tangle]

so what you're saying is if i hate my raid team, i can take long arms

[slim hamlet]

I don't trust anyone who doesnt have different bars for each modifier

that shit is illegal

[slim hamlet]

No

[brittle pawn]

you mean mod key macros? yea i don't get it

[slim hamlet]

If you hate your own dmg u can take long arms

[oak tangle]

how is there a damage loss there? im confused

[slim hamlet]

No but have like one bar with both X and shift X right besides each other

[cunning basin]

Mine are all mixed up bc I used to play without weakauras so used to looking different places on screen for different buttons

[slim hamlet]

u need X and then bar over with shift X

[keen spruce]

master poisoneer higher on the tree

if you remove it it closes the gate to the bottom

u gotta drop dance or tea to get long arms

[slim hamlet]

I didn't use weakauras besides snd and envenom until 1 month ago

[cunning basin]

^

[brittle pawn]

ah. mine starts out ok then gets fucky as i added hotkey combinations one at a time later on

[keen spruce]

well see

[velvet ridge]

Tried that, impossible, my brain couldn't see

[keen spruce]

your main problem

[maiden sierra]

Ok but why is Pip's Emerald Friendship Badge a bis trinket on wowhead?

[keen spruce]

is that you're a pirate @brittle pawn

[cunning basin]

I literally did not know what they were until shadowlands season 3, and I've been raiding since wotlk xd

[slim hamlet]

Fair it just depends on who you are, for me having a different bar for each mod is super easy

[maiden sierra]

Like are we no longer using signet after nerft?

[velvet ridge]

What is that font, it burns

[oak tangle]

despair

[keen spruce]

so for right now the no-dance build with acro is only like 1.5% behind

so very playable

it just gets a lot worse

[brittle pawn]

i just used gigaboost, still undecided between outlaw or sin

[keen spruce]

when you gear up with new tier

[slim hamlet]

Is it only me who can't seem to make a wa that tracks blind

It just doesnt work

[keen spruce]

like jsut the CD?

[oak tangle]

hmmm i like the dance style though, just gotta get used to being up the ass of mobs again

[slim hamlet]

Exactly the same as all my other weakauras but blind aint working

[velvet ridge]

I would love it if I could play like that, it's super neat. I just understand grouping similar buttons next to each other, rather then by keybind. Mines messy for sure

[slim hamlet]

double checked any weird ID stuff too

[cunning basin]

At least you don't have 4 different bars in 4 different spots on your UI and 30% of your rotation literally hidden

[slim hamlet]

I FOUND THE ISSUE

poggies

[keen spruce]

[cunning basin]

Dance, whatever is on 10, blind, and whatever the fuck I have on 12 are hidden on my bars bc 8 buttons is more satisfying

[slim hamlet]

I duplicated my sepsis cd tracker and I for some reason had "sepsis talented" in load

even tho I never use that

[oak tangle]

who has dance and kb bound together, and vanish / envenom

[keen spruce]

oop

[keen spruce]

yes, no

[earnest remnant]

im comin for you next raid

my Assa is rdy to blast

[cunning basin]

A lotta people have dance kb I think

[velvet ridge]

I have 13 button bars 😬

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

[keen spruce]

[cunning basin]

Is your shiv icon shard of azzinoth

[earnest remnant]

Toxic blade

[keen spruce]

legion andy

[slim hamlet]

Zed roleplayer

[cunning basin]

Toxic blade KEK

[earnest remnant]

no, this is zed roleplayer

[slim hamlet]

Yea I remember

[subtle kiln]

very zed

[cunning basin]

Also that is definitely the shard of azzinoth icon

[jovial verge]

for some reason combo poinst on top of the abilties instead of below abosutely fucks with my brain like just complete shutdown

[cunning basin]

It kinda goes hard tho

[novel lily]

Hello all, so i have only 5% haste (877) is this about right? I do kinda feel energy starved. Is there any particular number you all like? feel comfy at? I know whysper said in one of his yt vids it didnt matter (I think he said this! I could be wrong)

[earnest remnant]

yeah they are the same icon

[plucky cargo]

One more question: who’s got good nameplates to easily track garrote/ruptures?

[keen spruce]

/wa

[drifting light]

so edgy using toxic blade icon

[cunning basin]

Are you telling me BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT re-used an icon????

BLASPHEMY

Anyways

[earnest remnant]

i think the Shiv icon is one of the most ugliest things on this planet

i cant stand it

[oak tangle]

you think toxic blade being the same icon as asinoth is a thing, have a look for where the indiscrimate carnage icon comes from

[cunning basin]

I mean assa's icon itself is still fuckin eviscerate lmao

[keen spruce]

WCL still uses an icon for assas that's an ability only sub has

[cunning basin]

Listen to whispyr, it truly does not matter. Energy management is a core part of the gameplay, so it's something you'll have to get used to

And the robot will tell you to stack some amount of haste

[oak tangle]

i mean there is technically a gameplay feel aspect rather than just dps output

[cunning basin]

But it never "feels" any different

[keen spruce]

haste isn't why you feel energy starved, playing assas is.

[slim hamlet]

Haste is good but it wont change the energy "problem"

[cunning basin]

It's gonna feel the same if you have 0% haste or 10%

But if you can stack like 14k then it'll probs feel better

[slim hamlet]

200% haste

[cunning basin]

Xd

[dusk sun]

-1% haste gang

[cunning basin]

I live for the 200% haste breakpoint

[slim hamlet]

based gang

[keen spruce]

The only time you'd notice 10% haste is if you just did 300 pulls on sark with 0%. equipped 10% then did P1 again and got an extra mutilate at the end of p1

[novel lily]

i figured that may be the anwser, energy pooling is a new concept to me

ty all

[slim hamlet]

"breakpoint" is a banned word

[oak tangle]

there is a non-zero psycological impact on my gameplay based on how fast i can hear my daggers plinking into the nemy

[slim hamlet]

How did u write it

[dusk sun]

Sub transferee dected kekw

[novel lily]

was outlaw actually last patch

[cunning basin]

With my powers of typing good

[oak tangle]

can't be a sub transferee if they don't know pooling

[dusk sun]

[cunning basin]

That's why I like cttc

I always get fast dagger noises without having to press snd

[keen spruce]

there's gonna be some whiplash going from outlaw to assas on the energy/apm front

[dusk sun]

What do you pull for btw, your next envenom?

Pool***

[slim hamlet]

depends if new 4pc or not

[cunning basin]

Pool for envenom, so always pool when you have CPs already built

[keen spruce]

pool for envenom, then when the envenom chain breaks you pool to 80% energy

[cunning basin]

^

[dusk sun]

Sweet thanks

I just mash my keyboard

[cunning basin]

The envenom chain won't really matter till you get new 4p but it's a good habit to get into

[novel lily]

so I would pool for envenom chains and when my 1 min burst is about up?

[slim hamlet]

ye make sure to have energy for KB

[cunning basin]

Ideally if you go into CDs with like 100-130 energy and a charge of tea you should be fine(at least it felt that way to me)

[oak tangle]

i'd wager best practice pooling even without tier set, will be beneficial for the sanguine blades

[slim hamlet]

Yes it's just another type of pooling

[cunning basin]

And with DM you can kinda get away with less energy, since DM generates a fuckzillion extra

[slim hamlet]

with 4pc u dont pool for SB u pool for 4pc

without its for SB

right now its fine to lose envenom to keep over 50%

other way around with 4pc

[cunning basin]

Ye

Im just playing it like I have 4p

Cuz I'll have that shit Tuesday

[slim hamlet]

I probably will too

[cunning basin]

So better get used to it

[wild tusk]

Should I have an envenom rolling going into a burst window? I reapply as first finisher after KB, but is it important to have the pre-envenom like is done in the opener?

[cunning basin]

Yes

[slim hamlet]

yes

[cunning basin]

You want shiv and envenom rolling for the entire duration of KB

[wild tusk]

Yeah I shiv 1 GCD before KB

[slim hamlet]

[warm shard]

How does pooling work for SB without our 4 piece?

[slim hamlet]

Keep over 50%

[wild tusk]

But like my brain doesn't think about putting up envenom as I'm doing the pooling stuff so I need to work that in

[oak tangle]

cause im too lazy to do the maths, how many shiv charges can you send between kb's

[cunning basin]

Tbh you're better off just pretending you have the 4p and ignoring SB

[dark token]

pooling is for envenom

not for sanguine blades

[slim hamlet]

envenom uptime not as important as SB without 4pc outside CD's

[dark token]

ignore the 50% energy

[slim hamlet]

No

Not without 4pc

[dark token]

hes talkign with 4p

[mighty elm]

where is the math

[slim hamlet]

He directly said "without 4pc"

[dark token]

i guess i misread

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[fleet pagoda]

you don't want to use shiv outside of kb

[cunning basin]

Uhhhhhh 0

[mighty elm]

crazy math

[slim hamlet]

Hey

Every type of math can be hard

even adding 30 + 30

[cunning basin]

Even without 4p you're better off just playing as though you have it. Raid comes out in 2 days, even if you're a relatively casual raider you'll probably have 4p in a week or so

[oak tangle]

i mean i didn't even check the 30 s part

[slim hamlet]

But yea u need 2 shivs for Kb which is every 1 min and shiv is 30 sec cd

[cunning basin]

Unless you're like hyper min-maxing for first day mythic kills or smth, it's better to just build good habits

[slim hamlet]

Shiv, ShD and KB is one cooldown

Only exist together

[cunning basin]

^