assassination

[haughty flicker]

fury with tier seems so fucking boring

[slate crown]

Just my preference, I liked fury's playstyle a lot in 10.1

which is still available now I guess

And I loved OF in legion and would be happy to throw OF into the 10.1 playstyle

[gaunt sigil]

Honestly, I dont mind the new tier, Fury was Sink or Swim kinda playing like Frost with IcyVeins, 100% uptime or Shit dps. You needed nearly 100% Reck uptime to do good damage so any fight where you couldnt maintain that was kidna shitty or if you didnt get procs.

My main issue with the new tier is that its a vers spec now

[sweet pawn]

I'm guessing by looking at previous trinket sims, that even after the further 10% nerf Signet Brand and Branch are still the go-to trinkets

[haughty flicker]

i might swap my war out for enhance finally

but then i might actually get told to play it over rogue in raid

[plain moon]

Do you ever let env drop in downtime just to let urself pool back up so you have good energy going into burst? Just had my first instance of having to go into burst with lowish energy since i kept up env the whole downtime

[haughty flicker]

and i dont wanna do that

[pure sail]

You pool during env

[gaunt sigil]

Mast>Vers>Crit>Haste in ST and Haste>Vers>Crit=maste in M+. Not only do I hate dual prio, but I also hate not being haste based in ST at all

[plain moon]

yeah I was just refreshing env when it had 1sec left

[slate crown]

Yes, you do exactly this if you run out of energy and can't keep up your chain. See the pins/wowhead guide there's a section outlining it

[gaunt sigil]

One of the main reasons I loved fury was just the insane amount of button presses

[pure sail]

Whyspr is covering pooling in his st video

[gaunt sigil]

^

[slate crown]

("Chain" being something you do for the new tier set but it's a good practice to get into)

[plain moon]

the problem was I was able to keep up my chain but at the cost of having a low energy supply going into CDs

[gaunt sigil]

Whispy has really good explinations and examples for it all

[plain moon]

so the play for me would of actually been to break the chain for a bit so I could have energy

[gaunt sigil]

are you finishing at more than 4?

[plain moon]

i stop building at 4

[gaunt sigil]

Personally I rarely have issues with keeping env up unless I just get literally 0 blindside procs

[plain moon]

im at 11% haste, what are yall at?

[gaunt sigil]

Oh

You should sim weapon runes

You prolly gain with haste runes rn

Im at 19%

[slate crown]

I've been thinking about if there are good times to intentionally let your chain drop, even if you technically have the energy to continue it, because KB will be coming up soon. This is only really an issue in the non-DM KBs, as DM gives you much more energy and you shouldn't have an issue

You also will always gain 100 energy from tea during KB

[plain moon]

yeah I was holding my tea for when KB has 6secs left and was starved just before this

i ended up using my tea early in panic but just want to avoid this situation in the future

[gaunt sigil]

I personally Tea on KB and at 6 sec during DM windows since I dont struggle with energy,

I use 2 charges every DM and save the other 1 for emergencies

[plain moon]

what about just KB windows? You only use the 1?

[gaunt sigil]

Usually

I use it during last 6 if its just KB

[plain moon]

since nobody else seems to be dealing with this im guessing its just a matter of me having such low haste and wont end up being a problem long term

[gaunt sigil]

Haste gained a lot of value since we started running Sanguine Blades

[plain moon]

Yeah I played sub last tier. 11% is with my haste heavy items lol

[gaunt sigil]

Run a sim with haste runes

Haste runes are prolly your best if you are at 11%

[warm shard]

currently on training dummies I'm struggling to keep the envenom buff up when its time to refresh rupture, is this something that might go away with more gear or 2pc?

[balmy condor]

no

[plain moon]

yeah haste runes 1.5k better for me

[gaunt sigil]

If I end a chain this is usually the cause

[balmy condor]

yeh

that's how that works typically

[gaunt sigil]

Its not worth dropping below 150 to keep the chain up

[snow kindle]

What makes strategem stronger if we finish on 4+?

[gaunt sigil]

just the 5% damage increase to finishing moves

[balmy condor]

yeh

[warm shard]

when rupture is endingI usually feel like i dont have enough GCD's to build CP, refresh rupture, build cp again and then envenom again if i dont get a seal fate proc, is there anything that can be done about this? should i consider doing a 6cp envenom right before to give an extra 2 gcd's ?

[balmy condor]

no

[haughty flicker]

i think thats just how it works man

[balmy condor]

that's just how the spec works

[gaunt sigil]

Just roll with the punches, if you can maintain it, maintain it, if you cant you cant.

[haughty flicker]

if you dont get lucky on procs you just accept the chain breaks and start again

[gaunt sigil]

^

[warm shard]

gotcha and then if i have to pick i guess i should just refresh the rupture and pool to restart the chain again

[plain moon]

Really? I thought the chain was prio and you dont actually play around sangune

[gaunt sigil]

Nah, its only worth dropping below 150 if the boss is basically dead OR there is a period of time coming up where you have to leave

Ex: Mythic Sark intermission

So like if an intermission was coming up I'd energy dump before it

[plain moon]

huh okay, thought the guide said otherwise. Well thats a way ive been misplaying then

[gaunt sigil]

Maybe it does and I am wrong, Id have to go look

I haven't read it in its entirety.

[haughty flicker]

nah its been made very clear you dont play around sanguine for pooling

its a benefit that just kind of happens, but you just chain envenoms until you get low then restart

[plain moon]

when do you decide "im low i need to restart"

[gaunt sigil]

Personally I have never really had to drop below 150 to keep a chain going unless I am refreshing rupture

[haughty flicker]

idk an exact number, i just go until it feels too low and pool back up to 80%

would have to ask someone smarter than me what the most optimal time is

[gaunt sigil]

Just wait for Whispy to roll around, he knows it all

[haughty flicker]

most of the time the chain breaks anyway from rupture rather than energy for me

[plain moon]

yeah the rupture is def #1 cause of the chain break

Hopefully dad Whispyr comes around and has an answer

[smoky horizon]

It also depends if I have Tea charges left

Usually I can get over that hump with some Tea

[keen spruce]

my understanding is that you don't play around sanguine

[balmy condor]

yesn't

like

it's not awful

but it's not really clearly better

[keen spruce]

also way less to think about, just chain till u can't then

well not way less

one less

[plain moon]

do you ever break a chain tho to make sure u have good energy going into a burst window?

[keen spruce]

i'd imagine it's pretty marginal if any

[plain moon]

that was the problem. I was chaining away then KB came up and i was doomed

[keen spruce]

I haven't been and haven't noticed a huge issue

[balmy condor]

shouldn't be an issue yeh

[keen spruce]

but yeah being starved goin into KB would be a unforch if you miss a global or something

[plain moon]

prob only issue for me since im such low haste

[keen spruce]

haste wouldn't make any real noticable difference

but sure super low haste isn't helping technically

[plain moon]

whats the play then to avoid that in the future?

[haughty flicker]

just be better probably

[keen spruce]

well you really don't need much to start your CDs

then have venomous wounds kinda take you through it

but like, we're pooling a lot as is so often you'll be on like mid-high energy anyways

[haughty flicker]

yeah i feel like its rare that i run out of energy within the minute it takes for kb to come up

[keen spruce]

if you are getting energy starved out to the point where you can't press globals, then just kinda be aware of that when CDs are getting close

but i wouldn't like ACTIVELY look to break a chain to prep for it

[haughty flicker]

but thats also mainly on target dummies

[keen spruce]

I jsut did an UR with my sub gear eqipped on accdient and like 500 haste

didn't notice an issue

well an issue with energy

there was an issue with crawgma murdering our healer

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[plain moon]

Yeah it only happened to me once. Just wanted to not have it happen again, the solution I did was just to use tea early to not miss globals in the burst but ofc not ideal

[slate crown]

one less unit to think about . one step closer to vibes

The low energy into KB issue can happen occasionally, spending a lot of time on the dummies it definitely did happen sometimes but was not super common, most non-DM KBs felt fine going into, but every once in a while I'd be chaining away and hovering around 70 energy and KB would approach and I'd notice and

[slow chasm]

bruh

[slate crown]

brul

[slow chasm]

I just had a pull in BH that I got a 1.68M dmg kingsbane

[gaunt sigil]

The halls I did earlier I hit 890k dps on the 3 shock pack before frog and it was like a 1.4m KB

Assa is so fun in keys now

[slow chasm]

fr

shit dies too fast in tyr tho

[gaunt sigil]

Just absolutely slam a spatter target and watch it and everything around melt

[slow chasm]

need a fort week

[gaunt sigil]

Right! I’m excited

[slow chasm]

I got to 600k dps on the 1st boss of BH

[gaunt sigil]

It’s soo good

[slow chasm]

sin has insano mode burst

[gaunt sigil]

It’s so satisfying

[slow chasm]

fr

[gaunt sigil]

Spatter is just so satisfying

You just turbo blast one guy all the time and it melts everything around it

[slow chasm]

reminds me of season 1 ignite fire mage

[gaunt sigil]

Wow yeah

I never thought of that

[slow chasm]

Which I played too much of

[gaunt sigil]

God season 1 I ran way too much academy to get a good puzzle box

[slow chasm]

it also reminds me of arc mage's AoE spec rn

which I've also played too much of

[gaunt sigil]

I have only played Frot mage

[slow chasm]

ur missing out homie

[gaunt sigil]

And it’s the only mage I will ever need

Maybe but I’m locked to frost

My mage is named IcyVaen

Therefore

[slow chasm]

this last season of BTM

could be better

[gaunt sigil]

Ice lance go brrrrr

Oh

I Forgor to complete BTM

Oops

[slow chasm]

its my fav part of the season

for I am an off-meta enjoyer

[gaunt sigil]

I just play what I like

Which is dual wielding melee specs mostly

[slow chasm]

same

I played Fire mage and Frost DK S1 and Arc mage and sin S2

just the fun classes

[gaunt sigil]

At this point in season 3 though. The only thing keeping me maining warrior is

[austere moss]

i'm a little confused, why is deathmark so late in the opener, won't you lose out on Garrot duplicated dmg?

[balmy condor]

Deathmark is so late because you have to get up garrote, rupture, and envenom before going into cooldowns and that takes time

I’m not sure where you think we’d lose out on garrote damage though considering we garrote basically right after we go into dance

[cunning basin]

^

[balmy condor]

And then garrote again 12ish seconds later in vanish

[fringe surge]

Can any of you explain how to use Sudden Demise for max efficiency?

[austere moss]

does the 2nd garrot help the dmg you get from deathmark?

[cunning basin]

Ignore it

[balmy condor]

Talent into it and play the game

[cunning basin]

Lmao

[shut owl]

It's passive, don't play around it. Just do your thing

[fringe surge]

yea but mine is 7th on reocunt and i saw other rogues in keys with this on 2nd or 3rd

[cunning basin]

It's 10% increased bleed damage and occasionally does other shit

[cunning basin]

It shouldn't be 2nd or 3rd

[balmy condor]

If the question is “does Deathmark duplicate the garrote/rupture cast during Deathmark” then yes, it does

[misty holly]

Once mobs get low refresh all your bleeds for big sudden demise pops

[shut owl]

It's gonna vary depending on key level and such. If it's that high they are juicing some low keys

[balmy condor]

Don’t do this please

[slow chasm]

thats what CT is for

[cunning basin]

Do not do this lmao this is bad

[fringe surge]

oh ok

[near valley]

Do it for the Vine

[cunning basin]

Dammit whispyr you're faster than me

[slow chasm]

lmao

[balmy condor]

Quoting my girlfriend?

[cunning basin]

C o n t e n t?

[fringe surge]

an should i keep haste=mast=crit?

[cunning basin]

[austere moss]

wait what? death mark duplicates garrote/rupture after deathmark is cast?

[balmy condor]

That’s just a sim yourself

[balmy condor]

Yes of course

[fringe surge]

i have blue items

so...

[slow chasm]

gg then

[balmy condor]

Then get item level

Then sim yourself

[near valley]

Like and subscribe

[slow chasm]

play the game then sim

[fringe surge]

just wanna know what shoul i search

[balmy condor]

Item level

[cunning basin]

Literally already done, notifs are on

[balmy condor]

You’re searching for item level

[shut owl]

Until you're near ilvl cap for content you don't need to minmax secondaries

[austere moss]

oh lol, I thought it only duplicated bleeds you currently had on the target lol.

ty

[slow chasm]

Ilvl > Haste=crit=mast

[cunning basin]

The whole time it's up it duplicates what it states it does

[balmy condor]

Well maybe that’s your fault for reading

[cunning basin]

DM is a sick cd, way better than vendetta and hunger for blood

[shut owl]

I miss the old FAQ :<

[cunning basin]

[slow chasm]

nerd

[shut owl]

Can't tap the sign anymore

[balmy condor]

I miss when you didn’t miss the old FAQ new FAQ is a banger (it’s nowhere near ready)

[cunning basin]

LMAO

[shut owl]

Oh, so it's cooking? Cool

[prisma cypress]

wasn’t deathmark like that back in the dragonflight beta? didn’t duplicate existing debuffs

[balmy condor]

I don’t think so

But maybe for like a bit sure

I’d believe it

[cunning basin]

In beta I was busy casting Obliterate

[shut owl]

I was afraid we were doomed to always open a tab to wowhead and eat half a gig of memory to search

[slow chasm]

Better than Pyroblasts

[balmy condor]

I try to not keep track of every 3 week period in a beta where abilities were janky and broken

[shut owl]

Man I miss when rogue had might of the frozen tundra or whatever

[cunning basin]

Hey pyroblast is a dope spell, fire mage has a special place in my heart, and far, far away from my raiding experience

[balmy condor]

I already have trouble remembering what I had for breakfast there’s no room to remember what abilities were like in a first iteration beta build 2 years ago

[cunning basin]

Dual wield specialization

[shut owl]

We were best when we chose between daggers and a str 2hander

[slow chasm]

just saying, S1 Fire mage was a 2 button spec unlike FDK which is a 3 button spec

[shut owl]

Garrote? Nah... BONK

[cunning basin]

Idk I can't count past 1 so both are too hard for me

[shut owl]

Sap replaced by concuss

[slow chasm]

lmao, I feel that one

sin is so many buttons

[shut owl]

It's got fewer now

[slow chasm]

I'm glad

[cunning basin]

On the subject of 2h str weapons I hate every warrior I get in rdf in wrath. None of them ever press rend so I gotta spend my valuable energy to use a bad bleed for hunger for blood

[shut owl]

Imagine if we had old exsang and sbs/sepsis and IC active on top of everything else atm

[slow chasm]

my carpal tunnel is bad enough

[cunning basin]

Just reading that got me like I can't press all them buttons

[shut owl]

Look it's easy, just go piano virtuoso every minute

[cunning basin]

It's all my right thumb

[slow chasm]

when it goes from piano opener to piano rotation

[shut owl]

I'm still getting used to the "maybe I don't blow my load chugging tea in between KB windows"

[cunning basin]

Like that guy from Ratatouille

[slow chasm]

TRUE

I CAST OBLIT WITH THIS THUMB

[shut owl]

I see envenom falling off and I get antsy

[cunning basin]

LMAO

[cunning basin]

A whole fucking mood

[cunning basin]

I'm like oh fuck my uptime I'm so fucked not remembering that in 37 seconds I'll be doing 350k DPS again

[slow chasm]

Dot classes give me panic attacks

[shut owl]

Here for it though, whenever all the jank I'm experiencing gets sorted

[austere moss]

so to be clear death mark does nothing to currently applied dots?

[slow chasm]

same

[slow chasm]

nope

[shut owl]

I really hope our first raid night my opener breaks our logs like it does for me lol

[sharp viper]

Assa breaking logs and wrists since 2023

[slow chasm]

just dupes gar, rupt, CT, amp poison, and deadly poison I'm pretty sure

[cunning basin]

I've already been having fun out bursting unholy dks on pull :3

[slow chasm]

and SB?

[shut owl]

Still no idea why, but when my nightstalker gar/rupture fall off my combat log ends and opens a new one. So my last opener trial was two trash logs of like pre-ramp, 6 seconds of garbage, and then post-ramp.

[slow chasm]

just don't DM a non-improved gar

[shut owl]

Details decided it didn't even want to track KB on one pull lol

[dawn flame]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slow chasm]

the sin gods will laugh as you pull 2k dps

[shut owl]

Solid 90k opener

[cunning basin]

When you apply it, any currently applied bleeds and lethal poisons are copied, and for the duration, any lethal poisons and bleeds applied are copied meaning you'll have 2x garrote, 2x rupture, 2x deadly poison ticking, and I believe it also means that if you apply deadly/amp it applies twice

[shut owl]

Not dps. Damage done lol

M+ kinda slapping when I'm not panicking while learning how to juggle chainsaws

[cunning basin]

For a whole day my details was tracking every bit of damage done by everyone around me as if it was all being done right now at this moment, rather than actually over a period of time

[shut owl]

Yeahhh something funny with combat logging it feels like

[cunning basin]

So I'd have like 7 people with 4-5m damage done and it said they were doing 40-50m dps

[shut owl]

And you weren't? Awful. Skill issue even

[cunning basin]

Like ahh, yes, I did not want to know what was occurring anyways thank you setsils

I'm always top dps in my groups

(I fill them with bad players so I feel better about myself)

[shut owl]

Yeah, but you weren't 49M above sims top dps in groups

[cunning basin]

:l

:|

[near valley]

How the mighty have fallen

[cunning basin]

They can sit down for a tier, their shit been rocking all expansion long

[austere moss]

so hypotheticly if I do Garrote, Mutilate, Rupture, Death Mark, there should be four bleeds on the target at this point?

[shut owl]

Yes, unless you are specced doomblade or IB

Well, 5 actually

DM is a bleed

The impact of a paper cut alone tho

[cunning basin]

Yeah

[shut owl]

Gar , rup , DM , gar (dm), rup (dm)

All cooking at once

[austere moss]

than if I do lets say Vanish, Garrote, Rupture, the two replicated bleeds would be refreshed?

[cunning basin]

Basically the way it works is while death mark is rolling, whatever bleeds you have on will have two "stacks" more or less

[shut owl]

Yep. But the second DM ends, the duplicated ones go with it. So you don't need to tap it again at dm end

[cunning basin]

They have the same duration, deal the same damage, etc

^

[austere moss]

that makes more sense, ty

[cunning basin]

No probs

[somber fractal]

if i macro kingsbane into shadow dance will it get the nightstalker buff?

[cunning basin]

If you macro kingsbane after dance, yes

[fringe surge]

is this a good looking recount after a half of hoi ?

thei healer died and left *

[balmy condor]

seems fine

[cunning basin]

Not playing spatter? L

[balmy condor]

wait

yeah

where the fuck is spatter

[fringe surge]

i am playing

[balmy condor]

also kingsbane looks pathetic

[fringe surge]

oooook

[cunning basin]

The breakdown in general looks mostly correct besides spatter nowhere to be found and kingsbane is incredibly low

[fringe surge]

i am doing something bad

[balmy condor]

[cunning basin]

[fringe surge]

:))))

[balmy condor]

you're not using caustic

[fringe surge]

ooops

[blazing jewel]

[lean kite]

You forgetting to mutilate to keep spatter up?

[fringe surge]

yea

not rlly using mutilate in aoe

[lean kite]

Yeah, it took me a bit to get in the habit of doing that. I kept forgetting

[balmy condor]

kind of a massive problem

[cunning basin]

You gotta throw one out every 10s to keep spatter up, ESPECIALLY during kb

[fringe surge]

and how should i improve kingsbane for aoe?

[balmy condor]

kind of like a 10% of your damage is missing sort of massive problem

[fringe surge]

for verall damge

[lean kite]

Yeah, once I got that better, the final Kingsbane ticks you NEED spatter up, that's big damage

[cunning basin]

It's so much burst to be missing

[fringe surge]

and i this spatter is more good with kingsbane

[ionic matrix]

!whispyr

[fringe surge]

am i right?

[ionic matrix]

is there a whispyr spreadsheet this tier?

[lean kite]

Yeah. Spatter does AoE damage based on poison damage to the target. Kingsbane's final ticks are MASSIVE poison hits, so spatter spreads that around to everyone

[brazen zodiac]

haha

"seems fine" realization "where the fuck is spatter?!?"

[lean kite]

So yeah. Work on keeping spatter up and juicing your Kingsbanes.

[cunning basin]

^

[fringe surge]

do you ahve any wa to count spatter?

[balmy condor]

no, people just used the sheet to compare numbers to outlaw/sub numbers and I'm not going to perpetuate stupid sim comparisons between specs

[brazen zodiac]

his wa tracks it

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cunning basin]

KB is a very important core part of both st and aoe, spatter is a huge chunk of burst aoe damage

[brazen zodiac]

afenar edit

[cunning basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lean kite]

Just use a weak aura. It's a 10 second debuff I think. Practice a bunch on a dummy to get the muscle memory. It took me longer than I'd care to admit to get used to doing it. I had some shit AoE until I did

[ionic matrix]

Understood

[cunning basin]

There is a spreadsheet but yeah in general people get kinda stupid over sims lol

[lean kite]

Done right spatter should be one of your biggest damage sources.

[balmy condor]

the brain melt this cycle over sim numbers is actually insane

its so much worse than its ever been

[cunning basin]

Yeah I don't get it

[lean kite]

WHAT DOES BETTER DAMAGE. OUTLAW SPEC OR HERBALISM.

[cunning basin]

Herbalism with +5 glove enchant

[lean kite]

Oh shit yeah

[balmy condor]

I'm still getting dm'd

"where did the 252k sim go for assa"

[blazing jewel]

make the numbers go higher

[balmy condor]

I'm like dude that was 3 weeks ago on a first sim implementation

please

do not

why

it's PTR

"test" is in the name

stop

[cunning basin]

People dming whispyr like he controls the fucking numbers lmao

... unless?

[sullen gyro]

Why isn't whispyr buffing sin? Does he hate rogues?

[balmy condor]

I mean just this patch cycle I've been told I'm a fucking sandbagging piece of shit hiding real rogue numbers so that rogue is OP, and in the same day I get told I'm inflating the numbers to try and get rogue nerfed because I'm a blizzard plant in the community trying to get rogue nerfed constantly

[cunning basin]

What the fuck lmao

[green harbor]

[earnest remnant]

the duality of man

[cunning basin]

What in the actual fuck is wrong with people

[sullen gyro]

[near valley]

Told by a Boomkin I presume

[balmy condor]

"wowhead writers would never say anything bad about the rework, blizzard pays their bills"

and I'm like damn I fucking wish they paid my bills lmao

[cunning basin]

Ahh yes, blizzard definitely does do that so I see the confusion

[lean kite]

Blizzard can barely pay their own damn bills, that's why they kept laying people off. Also some random class designer couldn't give half a fuck about this level of scrutiny of numbers

[sullen gyro]

Blizzard doesn't even pay their qa staff

[balmy condor]

okay yo chill

like y'all fucking know whats going on at blizzard lmao

[sullen gyro]

I mean no game company pays qa staff

[near valley]

Uncle clearly works at Blizz

[cunning basin]

I have insider info

[balmy condor]

I was just trying to say people get worked up over sim numbers man

[sullen gyro]

Game testing is a shitty job

[near valley]

They know what's up

[lean kite]

Yeah. I worked in game QA for six years. The pay is shit

[cunning basin]

But ye people really do go nuts over sim numbers

It's weird and turbo cringe like brother issa video game

[sullen gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/only-game-heff-be-mad-gif-5038541

[lean kite]

Yeah. Is the flow fun? You'll do fine. Class balance these days is infinitely better than it was ages ago. There will always be a best and worst, but the delta between them is so much closer than it used to be

[balmy condor]

community is insano lately idk

max asks me to talk on stream and I'm like bro these people are going to flay me flesh from bone

[near valley]

Lately?

[cunning basin]

It really feels like it's gotten so much worse this xpac like I don't remember people foaming over sims this much in the past

[near valley]

Always has been

[balmy condor]

definitely worse in the last year or so

[near valley]

Tbh I kept spamming u to sandbag in his chat

[sullen gyro]

It's also so weird to put a bunch of stock in stacked sims considering they're never accurate to what ends up being meta

[balmy condor]

I can't remember when it's been this bad

[cunning basin]

I literally JUST watched that part of his vid and was like "oh no he's calling whispyr twitch chat is gonna go ape shit"

[balmy condor]

and I've been doing this for a good bit now

[near valley]

Maw dailies ptsd would do that to a person

[blazing jewel]

whispyr if you dont make the number say 270k the people in the top 900 guilds cant kill heroic terros

[balmy condor]

[cunning basin]

Me getting into blizzards code to turn on the 100% aura buff

[opaque jacinth]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[elfin forge]

Genuine question. What can they even do to you? Just spam some hate comments in chat? Do people go after you IRL or something?

[balmy condor]

idk would just be nice for the community as a whole to recognize that blizzard and theorycrafters and guide writers aren't the enemy and aren't some secret cabal

[balmy condor]

the most I really get is hate DM's and trolls in my twitch chat/youtube comments that I have to ban

[lean kite]

Yeah man. Blizzard is just trying to make a game and their goal is to have it balanced to the point where everone is viable and that each spec feels different to play.

[fallen raven]

people immediately saying you're sandbagging because you went "yeah outlaw's good chuck it in A", absolute weirdo shit

[elfin forge]

So more like, they waste your time having to moderate and see that shit. I see.

[lean kite]

And the revamp I think did a pretty good job. The three specs feel pretty different.

[balmy condor]

I'm lucky to have not made enough enemies to actively worry IRL but I know people that have

and it's uh

not great

[cunning basin]

Yeah no fuck that weird parasocial shit

I hate that that's even a thing, people getting pressed over video games is wild to me, and I play the fucking game like 12 hours a day

[balmy condor]

yeah pretty much but like even if it's troll shit and you're like wow this is deranged, it still gets to you ya know

[cunning basin]

People underestimate what a constant barrage of words can do to someone bc most people don't experience it

[blazing jewel]

also slandering someone when their reputation is important for things like wowhead is not great

[cunning basin]

^^^

[balmy condor]

you record like a 30 min youtube video that you spent 4 hours getting data for and checking your numbers and making sure its right and in the first 5 minutes you get some idiot going "wow you're fucking stupid if you don't get this I can't believe you're in charge of the guides no wonder assa isn't meta"

and like yeah

it's funny

but it's also not great

[elfin forge]

I haven't experienced it personally. Right now I feel like i couldn't care less at all about trolls, but maybe if I get 200 hate dms a day it would eventually break through the armor, unsure.

[cunning basin]

It pisses me off because the guide writers and theory crafters put in SO MUCH work for us to play the game at the level we want to play it at. They do not deserve to be verbally abused, nobody fucking does

[balmy condor]

I don't have the most stable mental to begin with is the issue

[cunning basin]

Felt that one brother

[balmy condor]

should I be on the meds? probably

[keen spruce]

I think most people will have their day ruined by a single off handed comment or facebook post about them, while being so unaware that they'll dog pile on any content creator that does anything remotely different than what they want.

[balmy condor]

am I? nah

[elfin forge]

Well hang in there bro, the segment you did on Max stream was fine.

[balmy condor]

fuck it we ball

[cunning basin]

I mean I feel like I gave away my mental state when I said I play wow 12 hours a day

[blazing jewel]

we have shmeeps become the RH HR department

📈

[cunning basin]

Same but I can't afford them so instead I joke about it

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

shmeeps is the CDO of ravenholdt

chief duck officer

[blazing jewel]

anyone that sends a hate message

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

gets a random duck or pepe image

[cunning basin]

LMAO

The fucking duck gun

[fringe surge]

any of you know why am i losing leeching poison random?

[balmy condor]

you're going through a load screen

[haughty flicker]

bc blizzard hates us

[balmy condor]

and the game sucks

[cunning basin]

It drops when you enter a loading screen

Bc blizzard is a small indie developer

[balmy condor]

fixed soon though

I hear

[fringe surge]

oh, so only in ls?

[cunning basin]

Fixed soon?! POG

[fringe surge]

not thingh like when i die or smth

[balmy condor]

should be just load screen

[snow kindle]

During prog wouldn’t it still be more beneficial to be Crit/vers over mastery

[balmy condor]

if you want to do less damage

sure

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[cunning basin]

Have we heard anything about ambush/spatter interaction?

[balmy condor]

aside from when they added ambush to spatter like 2 weeks ago, no

tooltip will update eventually I guess

[cunning basin]

During prog if you need vers to live you just need to play better. Exception being on extreme rot fights in which case talk to your healers and let them know what parts of the fight you need god for

[balmy condor]

also I know some of you use my wa does this shit happen to you guys where the cp are slightly shorter than the energy bar

[lean kite]

Yeah rogue you got so many survival tools already

[balmy condor]

is that just me

[cunning basin]

Oh they actually did that? Man fuck I thought I was keeping up with stuff

[balmy condor]

[agile fossil]

YEP

[balmy condor]

that's a tilter

[cunning basin]

Look I've had a lot going on don't laugh at me I'll cry 🥹

[elfin forge]

I had this as soon as I imported it, I assumed that was the aesthetic you're going for.

[sullen gyro]

It's good they killed the cancelaura necessity

[fringe surge]

yup...

[balmy condor]

DOOMED

must fix

[cunning basin]

Holy shit that's so cursed

It's barely noticeable but I hate it, I was gonna switch wa's

[haughty flicker]

and to think i was gonna use whispyrs

wtf

[balmy condor]

????????

[cunning basin]

Honestly bruh fuck there goes my tuesday

Or whatever

[elfin forge]

I just stole some individual WAs and am making my custom pack.

[balmy condor]

why?

huh?

[haughty flicker]

literally unplayable

[cunning basin]

LOL WHAT

[balmy condor]

set it to 1

and it's fine

NICE

[cunning basin]

BUT WHY

[balmy condor]

bro don't ask me

[cunning basin]

Why the fuck was it at .98 xD

[balmy condor]

these things just happen

[keen spruce]

just forward their discord ID to me. and i'll reach out

"Hello [insert name],

It's come to my attention that you've been dissatisfied with ravenhodlt content recently. Hours of research and work have gone into the information provided with our only agenda being providing accurate and helpful resources to further the experience of the rogue player base. When it comes to evaluating that information, people will have different opinions regarding fun, difficulty, power, etc. and that is okay. Our staff's opinions are based on data and experience, but at the end of the day they are opinions and you're free to disagree with them.

While we appreciate differing opinion and challenging conventional wisdom, we do not allow harassment or general dumassery directed at our staff. Please refrain from personal attacks or threats against our staff or I will personally track you down and throw you in the ocean.

Regards,
"

[cunning basin]

Holy shit that's so troll lmao games are sick

[balmy condor]

nice

I get to push an update

and pretend like I did somethin g

[cunning basin]

Honestly W

Common whispyr W

[frozen jasper]

Are we Upgrade crafting weapon first to make Sure we have a high MH? Or Spam the dungeon where the dagger with the extra effekt Drops?

[haughty flicker]

this just instantly reminded me of the karthus copypasta from league ngl

[snow kindle]

There’s not really a play better button

[rotund oak]

u did alot of stuff already :3

[balmy condor]

boots first probably better

[sullen gyro]

Press feint more

[frozen jasper]

Sounds good, ty mate

[balmy condor]

aight now how to track carnage

[sullen gyro]

That's the play better button

[balmy condor]

bar?

[haughty flicker]

defensives are a crutch

[balmy condor]

another dumb icon?

[haughty flicker]

play better by never using them

[elfin forge]

Bar 100%

[cunning basin]

Yeah I'm saying that, no offense meant ofc, if you're dying in prog(often) it is quite literally a skill issue. Rogue has a lot of really good survivability tools, stacking vers to make up for standing in shit is a poor solution

[balmy condor]

I'm thinking bar too

but where put bar

[cunning basin]

Based, I'd have 100 parses if not for feint

[balmy condor]

I think I have idea for bar

[marble hemlock]

can i be the CDNO?

[balmy condor]

should I ask

[sullen gyro]

Just turn the entire screen red during carnage

[marble hemlock]

cant you infer from the context?

[sullen gyro]

And fade the alpha as it progresses

[balmy condor]

chief duck not officer?

[cunning basin]

Oh I get it that's like the red guy with the Spiderman suit right

[snow kindle]

I’m not talking about standing in things no amount of vers would change that lol. But whatever probably just a healer thing

[marble hemlock]

but no

obviously its chief deez nutz officer

[balmy condor]

I've actually done this for stuff

[keen spruce]

ayyyy

[balmy condor]

and it was

[elfin forge]

While carnage is up, to me it feels kinda like the most important thing to track. The bar I made sits centre screen, above the combo points.

[balmy condor]

kinda okay

[keen spruce]

[cunning basin]

It could be a healer thing too ofc. I'm just saying that it's been my experience that you shouldn't need to stack vers to live any raid fights better, so you want to just stack your best damage stats for more damage since at the end of the day, your DPS is the most valuable thing you bring

[keen spruce]

I think if you integrated a carnage bar onto afenar maybe in between CP and energy I would like that

[rotund oak]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[sullen gyro]

Healing is also binary in how useful it is

You either do enough healing to live or you don't and once everyone lives additional healing doesn't matter

Dps is a variable scale

[snow kindle]

Sin just feels so squishy compared to the other two

Not cozy

[haughty flicker]

just make it play doom music when carnage is up

probably the best choice

[sullen gyro]

Rip and tear

[elfin forge]

I'm testing this hahaha

[balmy condor]

wait I'm actually cooking

[vagrant tapir]

im actually excited to play sin again for the first time in a long time

[earnest remnant]

when Carnage was an active, i had the voice from Carnage in Venom "Let there be CARNAGE"

[marble hemlock]

can you cook me a sample opener for not playing lightweight shiv?

[near valley]

Best line in cinema history

[balmy condor]

stop

[marble hemlock]

[cunning basin]

It definitely is squishier than outlaw at least since they're still vers stackers with extra stam but in general all rogue specs are quite durable except on rot fights and stuff feint doesn't work on

[keen spruce]

I did like 11k hps in a 21 UR

we got more leech now. just not some of the DR the other specs have

[haughty flicker]

the squishiest rogue spec is still the tankiest person in the group

[cunning basin]

Yeah the upgraded leech is c r i s p

[keen spruce]

yeah we had some trouble with rot damage last tier on like sark

but generally

we're pretty immortal

[steel spire]

Squishy? Sounds like a healer issue not mine

[cunning basin]

Unless you have a ret pally, you have to try really hard to die as a ret pally lmao

[haughty flicker]

ret is a rogue spec

so the point stands

[keen spruce]

well ret paladin's survivability in their kit is balanced by the fact that they're being played by ret paladin players

[cunning basin]

This is true, ret paladin brain goes hard

[near valley]

50% verse isn't just a dream

[rotund oak]

ive got a ret pally,doesnt even need to think,class is immortal

[keen spruce]

yeah but see you're cheating cuz you're a rogue player

[blazing jewel]

whisp said hes cooking at late hours of the night

[cunning basin]

Playing sub for prog with 35% vers was hilarious, I mitigated more damage in average than my tanks lol

[blazing jewel]

prepare for a pin

[sullen gyro]

Dk also can't die if you're awake

[keen spruce]

I thought he was just cookin up a carnage bar for the WA

[blazing jewel]

oh

[cunning basin]

DK is sick

DK and Rogue I feel like both require some amount of awakeness to be invincible, ret pally it's just passive

[haughty flicker]

dk cant die because they never get to the boss in the first place

[sullen gyro]

The amount of unholy dks that die because they refuse to press a single death strike to lay on hands themselves is very sad

[near valley]

Rogue tank confirmed

[blazing jewel]

with how the damage works on most of these fights if you die on rogue you are hard inting

[keen spruce]

early sark prog

[cunning basin]

[sullen gyro]

Dks outside of cds acting like 1 lost death coil will make them Grey parse

[blazing jewel]

sark prenerf p3 was spooky on rogue because your defensives sucked

[blazing jewel]

the dot hit so much harder

[cunning basin]

My rl made me do bombs on sark and ngl that shit is so dangerous

[balmy condor]

aight I cooked, we like or no

[cunning basin]

I love that tbh that's nice

[keen spruce]

pretty goodge. reduce width by like 25%

[cunning basin]

Bombs 100 to 0'd me through feint a nonzero amount of times lmao

[blazing jewel]

the bomb landing on you?

[keen spruce]

it's a little to fat for it's height

[cunning basin]

Yeah the initial tick. If I don't get a fast heal before that second tick lands it's joever

[blazing jewel]

were you first or second bomb

[cunning basin]

Shit hit me for like 240k through feint

First

[blazing jewel]

because I feel like that shouldnt happen unless you got double ticked

[keen spruce]

you guys got assigned to which bomb in the set?

[arctic hare]

How do I sim this exactly?

[blazing jewel]

lol what

thats actually pretty important

[keen spruce]

me and a ret paladin just ran over there and figured it out

[willow kite]

feint off gcd when

[blazing jewel]

2nd bomb was usually the immune

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

because 1st bomb could come up and get a stack from something

[arctic hare]

god I wish lmao

[blazing jewel]

to force black hole on bomb 2

[keen spruce]

we had 2 immunes on our set

[cunning basin]

Yeah I was second bomb p3 with a hunter, the first bomb of that set

[keen spruce]

so we just fuckin ran around and yolo'd it

also are ranged were terrorists

[haughty flicker]

as always

[keen spruce]

and left them in random places around the platform

so it's not like we could plan for it

[blazing jewel]

[sharp stump]

Is shrouded suffocation bugged or am I just dumb? I've just got the starter build on just for basics and when I garotte from stealth, I'm only getting 1 combo point

[cunning basin]

The hunter who did bombs with me disengaged off the platform in p1 more times than I died total during prog pulls(discounting wipes)

[sullen gyro]

Ranged always complain about being forced to do mechanics and also bait soaks in africa

[keen spruce]

do you have a clip?

or at least a screenshot of your talents to do the dum check?

[haughty flicker]

my hunter did the same

[cunning basin]

Our fucking dragons baited bombs in melee every other pull

[haughty flicker]

it was also the guild leader which made it significantly funnier

[keen spruce]

to be fair, when i play affliction I'm am on the FBI most wanted list of terrorism

[sharp stump]

No clip but be prepared for a great slideshow presentation via screenshots now hehe

[keen spruce]

playing ranged is miserable

[cunning basin]

Wait your GM is also a hunter? LMAO

[tardy blade]

My GM is a hunter

[haughty flicker]

he was playing mage for some of prog bc ours left

but he mains hunter

unlucky

[cunning basin]

Same, I'm a menace when I play ranged

I just stand wherever the fuck I want

Which is usually by the arena entrance door, 130 yards from the boss

[sharp stump]

Potentially I'm dumb, but that's me using garotte from stealth. Talent set up is just the blue starter build that the talent tree sets it to

[sullen gyro]

I love when mm hunters stand at more than 40 yard range when I'm playing mistweaver

It's so very fun

[keen spruce]

hmm yeah idk. talent out of SS, save. talent back in, save?

[cunning basin]

Reasons why im a smooth brain melee player

[keen spruce]

wait actually

[cunning basin]

I would get arrested for my ranged DPS gameplay

[keen spruce]

do you have a bomb dispenser equipped and macro'd to garrote?

or some other on use trinket

[sharp stump]

Noper

Let me try talenting out and all

[sullen gyro]

Am I crazy or does the starter build not have improved garrote?

[sharp stump]

It does not

[keen spruce]

where are you guys seeing a "starter" build?

[tardy blade]

Also no KB :hescream:

[haughty flicker]

the in game bullshit

that nobody should use

[keen spruce]

oh

[sullen gyro]

Try talenting improved garrote and see if it works

[keen spruce]

OH

wth

[cunning basin]

Blizzard tryna get new rogue players in trouble

[keen spruce]

people use those?

[sharp stump]

I'm people 🙂

[blazing jewel]

I tried to convince my guild to do a full starter build reclear

[sharp stump]

I just cba getting the string for the proper build while I fucked around in the open world

[blazing jewel]

our healer priest played starter build on sark lmfao

[keen spruce]

[sharp stump]

Ok that's whack

you only get the extra combo points if you have improved garotte on

Despite SS saying it grants it

[keen spruce]

call the police

[blazing jewel]

same priest also did almost 50k dps on one of our sarks

[keen spruce]

that actually sounds like a bug.

[sharp stump]

Ya making a bug report now

[keen spruce]

i just don't think anyone found it because no one has ever talented out of improved garrote

[sharp stump]

What would blizz do without big brain starter build gamer me 😎

[woeful iris]

Should i refresh rupture during dance, kingsbane and vanish to benefit from 10% damage increase?

[keen spruce]

yeah same thing happened to me

good find

now go talent into imp garrote

[sharp stump]

Nah

[keen spruce]

[sharp stump]

🙂

[haughty flicker]

yup confirmed it too

but please never use a starter build ever again

[arctic current]

Is there a spell ID i can use in weakauras to distinguish between normal rupture/garrote and an empowered one?

[sullen gyro]

Use garotte rupture and kb during dance and vanish the last 3 seconds of kingsbane

[keen spruce]

hooks on SS are probably only tied to the ID for imp garrote

[sullen gyro]

No

Checking snapshots is doable but more complicated than just changing the id

[arctic current]

all i want is to change text colour when its empowered on the timer

[sullen gyro]

Probably just steal an existing snapshot garotte weakaura and change it to look how you want

[arctic current]

yeah might look around thanks

[sullen gyro]

Because making it is gonna need Lua coding

[keen spruce]

yeah it's not a trivial thing

[arctic current]

anyone wanna make some gold? lol

[keen spruce]

would recommend yoinking

[sullen gyro]

I know luxthos's pack has snapshot tracking

[keen spruce]

i mean i'll take some gold but i'm just gonna steal it from someone else

@sullen gyro you're fuckin up my money

[sullen gyro]

Or whispyr's

[arctic current]

ill have a play and see if i can yonk some code and figure it out

[shell kraken]

was there a !<something> for mutilate/ambush macro?

[sullen gyro]

Don't need one

[keen spruce]

you don't need a macro

mutilate turns into ambush automatically with blindside

and just have ambush on your stealth bar

where mutilate is

[shell kraken]

Hmm, I keybinded it (since forever) to bar 3 - which do not change regarding stealth, but might just need to change that then.

[keen spruce]

there is a macro for it in that case

[haughty flicker]

it only applies to blindside, if you have stealth bars you still need ambush on it

if you dont use stealth bars theres a macro but idk it

[keen spruce]

it's something like
/cast [stance:0] mutilate/ambush

or somethin like that

that's probably wrong

[austere moss]

is it not worth it to reapply Rapture during Vanish for the nightstalker buff?

in the opener anyway.

[sullen gyro]

/cast [nostealth] mutilate; ambush

[keen spruce]

that would work too

[austere moss]

also outside the opener when deathmark comes up should it be vanish > Garrote > Death Mark?

[little light]

I think you save vanish for last 3 secs of kingsbane usually

and then you imp garrote there

[crisp grotto]

yea master assassin the last 3s of kingsbane for giga crit

[austere moss]

what is imp?

[shell kraken]

/cast [nostealth] mutilate; ambush works but not with Subterfuge

[austere moss]

oh improved, gotcha

[little light]

yeah the buffed garrote from stealth

since you will vanish for that master assassin buff on kinsgbane

[shell kraken]

#showtooltip Mutilate
/cast [bonusbar:1] Ambush; Mutilate
/startattack

that one work 🙂 For anyone not using Mutilate on stealthbar directly

[haughty flicker]

#assassination message

[austere moss]

would you still do deathmark > Shiv > Kingsbane?

[haughty flicker]

this is the one that is supposed to work

though it looks like you found one that works anyway

[little light]

Whispyr has a couple youtube videos explaining aoe and ST rotation, I recommend those he explains everything really well

but yeah there is a setup for kingsbane which involves shiv, shadow dance, deathmark

[austere moss]

sorry i meant for the no dance build, I could certianly see how this could work with dance.

[indigo totem]

What is up with the action bars, was this really needed? Also, the purple man's afenar edit WA are literally lit, ty good sir @balmy condor

[little light]

no dance I suppose is the same but without dance :p

you still want to keep shiv up for the whole kingsbane

[keen spruce]

is there a no dance build?

[haughty flicker]

not a good one

[austere moss]

yeah but assuming you do Deathmark, Shiv, Kingsbane, you wouldn't get an improved Garrote until the last 2 seconds of Deathmark.

[keen spruce]

let me check how the sim handles it one sec

[little light]

improved garrote is the least important part of the Kingsbane burst window I would say

[indigo totem]

It's not that far behind, dance is probs better for prog if you're just doing aotc+

[keen spruce]

@austere moss

[austere moss]

i figured the no dance build is less punishing for mistakes, as someone, somewhat new to assassination figured this build would let me do more dmg.

[keen spruce]

this is how it handles no dance 2nd deathmark

[little light]

I see, so the no dance dosnt care about buffing kingsbane at the end for some reason

[keen spruce]

you just get max CP, DM into shiv KB envenom. then vanish and refresh

and still dump both shiv charges in the KB

[little light]

or maybe is just cause there is no shadow dance on the kingsbane setup you need to drop that vanish early

that would make sense

[keen spruce]

it's actually only 1.4% behind in current gear

very playable

and you could possibly bridge that with additional value from acro

[little light]

yeah and it is less punishing cause you dont have to be on top of the timing that much

just track shiv

[keen spruce]

and by possibly

i mean very likely

if the fights are hectic

[indigo totem]

Exactly

[manic quartz]

i wil get run away mechanic for every KB

[indigo totem]

Do what works until you're on farm, imo

[manic quartz]

no

[keen spruce]

where did that number even come from

[steady hornet]

is there a haste % we need

[keen spruce]

no

[manic quartz]

every stat except versa are very close to each other

[keen spruce]

but robot will probably want some

there's no specific number

[steady hornet]

oh wow oki

dnt wanna confuse, will delete

[shell kraken]

Blindside is enegy free, right? So we do send it directly, even during "pooling"?

[keen spruce]

all gud, very common question

[keen spruce]

you're pooling after you use your builders

so it being free or not wouldn't really affect that

[shell kraken]

true

[indigo totem]

You'll want haste to a point, probs more for aoe, the sims will tell ya

[shell kraken]

Then I just can hide Blindside proccs from my WAs - unnecessary info

Energy and CP that matters

[keen spruce]

yeah you can also hide the default blizzard blindside proc

[indigo totem]

So I'm assuming we're watching our buffed energy bar for max uptime on sanguine blades?

[keen spruce]

but this will affect similar blizzard notifications for other specs

so be aware

[keen spruce]

you don't need to play around sanguine blades

it's basically identical dps to just doing the normal envenom chain until it breaks, then pool to 80%

[arctic current]

Notters IC weakaura is insane thanks bud

[limber lion]

Isn't it just a number that tells you how long IC lasts for

[cunning basin]

Yup, SB is completely passive, you just play normally and get value from it

[indigo totem]

Don't we want max bleed uptime for sudden demise builds though?

[haughty flicker]

huh

[limber lion]

You're talking about different things here

He's talking ST, you're talking AoE

[keen spruce]

pooling rules have 0 effect on your bleed uptime

[indigo totem]

Oh ok

[keen spruce]

do you play around SB in AoE?

[limber lion]

Not really, but you do not do the Envenom chain as aggressively as you do in ST

[keen spruce]

oh ye

[limber lion]

It kinda doesn't matter at all in AoE

Unless you have all bleeds up and play Spatter

[keen spruce]

i guess the "rule" still applies you just like

[limber lion]

which you should do most of the time

[keen spruce]

you'll rarely meet the conditions to actually chain anything

[limber lion]

Yup

[indigo totem]

Good to know, figured on fortified it would be a thing, everyting is still new-ish this patch, ty

[balmy condor]

yeah that's what I was thinking but I like it girthy ya know what I mean

if ya smell

what I'm cooking

[cunning basin]

Oh I smell

Apples?

Wait that's my vape oops

[balmy condor]

wdym whats up with the action bars they're just my action bars man :(

[keen spruce]

smells like burnt popcorn

[balmy condor]

smells like toast

wait

[cunning basin]

Burnt toast

I SMELL BURNT TOAST

[keen spruce]

collective stroking ya know what i mean

[balmy condor]

:/

not enough girth

now number weirdge

[cunning basin]

God dammit

[keen spruce]

what about

making it horizontal in between CP and eng

or would that be too cluttered

[balmy condor]

that sounds cursed

I did have it above cp

but I didn't like it personally

and they are still my weakauras

so

[keen spruce]

that's kind of how shield block works on the warrior one

[balmy condor]

fuck you

[calm verge]

Does anyone stil have the commands to put on raidbots to check which rune is best for you?

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

It’s about how you use

[cunning basin]

It sounds like it could be okay but has potential to be cursed

[limber lion]

I have a horizontal bar for Envenom above the CP.

Used to have one for Elaborate Planning as well

[fathom minnow]

Are you sure about that ?

[limber lion]

But that's gonezo thankfully

[keen spruce]

plater done yet?!

[balmy condor]

coming soon to an FaQ near you, for now you can just run 2 quick sims side by side

[calm verge]

Cheers that's what i've been doing 😄

[balmy condor]

there's a lot of things to be sure of in that screenshot

is there something specific in there

or just generally

[fathom minnow]

I mean gems and weapon enchants

[balmy condor]

weapon enchants definitely

gems are kinda gear dependant

but yes

[limber lion]

like what

lmao

[balmy condor]

generally can't go wrong with those gems

[fathom minnow]

If we say mastery>crit=haste

[balmy condor]

uh huh

[limber lion]

It literally does not matter my guy stop thinking about stats

[fathom minnow]

Why we go main stat + crit , instead of mastery

[keen spruce]

we say mastery>crit=haste accounting for those choices

[pseudo hamlet]

Is there any sequence which abilities should be used one after another during the Shadow Dance in ST rotation?

[balmy condor]

just ends up being nearly the same thing

[limber lion]

Changing the gem is like 3 dps

literally

[blazing jewel]

just use raidbots

[balmy condor]

like it's all just kind of a wash at the end of it

it's all very gear dependant

[cunning basin]

Bc my last craft of primary stat gems got a giga multicraft proc so I have 7 left and don't want to craft a different one

[balmy condor]

so I recommended some all-round options

which work for pretty much everyone always

without much thought

[hardy dagger]

Do we know if the 2p bug is getting fixed

[balmy condor]

if? yes

when? no

[hardy dagger]

[balmy condor]

hopefully before tuesday

[cunning basin]

Hopefully sometime before raid release

[hardy dagger]

And lethal dose right?

[keen spruce]

1. change all enchants to mastery
2. run sim
3. change all gems to haste
4. run sim
5. chage main stat gem to crit
6. run sim
7. realize you've done all of that for -30dps

[balmy condor]

lethal dose is a bit more whatever

but thats an easier fix

that one should be in before tuesday

[final star]

run them all in the same sim, wait 45 mins only for it to be -30dps

[hardy dagger]

We

[cunning basin]

Wait what's wrong with lethal dose?

[balmy condor]

7. you already had the best combination equipped

[limber lion]

Sounds like someone doesn't have premium

[hardy dagger]

[cunning basin]

Literally every time I sim

[keen spruce]

this is not a personal story

[balmy condor]

crimson tempest and internal bleeding are being weird with it and not counting towards the total, or not benefitting from it

it's kinda minor and super whatever

big bug is the 2 piece

[blazing jewel]

I’ve had the option of every piece of gear thats good for a while. I crafted a 447 chest with patch that should have simmed higher and I absolutely could not make it sim higher because it was likely within margin of error

[keen spruce]

just sim better bozo

[cunning basin]

Oh yeah I mean as long as the rest of the shit works with lethal dose that stuff will kinda just be a lil free DPS, 2 set fix gonna go brazy

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

I was gonna give up and commit to engi goggles and then I couldn't make it sim higher than tier helm so I just gave up and threw my sparks into the ocean

[blazing jewel]

!seconaries

[balmy condor]

35,000 different item combinations

all within 0.2%

[cunning basin]

I have literally 20 fucking pieces of gear in my bag bc I'm a hoarder lmao

[winged quail]

Same lol

[keen spruce]

I can't wait for the cursed shmeeps sims to come back next week

[cunning basin]

"what if I need to recraft for 300 DPS on mythic volcaross"

[pseudo hamlet]

Or we just copy+paste this thing every one minute?

[keen spruce]

when some 1100 vers necklace starts simming bis for me

[cunning basin]

Big value

[keen spruce]

that's what i'm doin

[cunning basin]

^

Copy/paste every minute gg

[hardy dagger]

Give us legion secondaries

[cunning basin]

Bring back reforging from cata and multistrike from wod

👀

[blazing jewel]

[cunning basin]

[blazing jewel]

Dust on sin when

[cunning basin]

Don't make me pull out the meme

[dark token]

30 second kingsbane

[balmy condor]

yes copy pastie every min

[idle pawn]

does energy ever stop feeling like ass with haste?

[balmy condor]

klean your salad

[balmy condor]

no

[cunning basin]

Nope, the spec is slow, and that is by design

[balmy condor]

I mean it feels great to me

but the "feeling like ass" you're describing

[cunning basin]

I mean same lol

[balmy condor]

is the intended gameplay of the spec

[keen spruce]

Was reforging really that universally hated? I was a giga casual back then and really liked it

[cunning basin]

I loved reforging

But also dust on sin? Nah

[keen spruce]

i love doin some tinkering

[idle pawn]

Hahah I get that, I love the spec but was just wondering if my 10% haste was making it significantly slower

[balmy condor]

less so that is was universally hated and more that it was just giga degenerate

[keen spruce]

I can see that

[cunning basin]

It was so degenerate that was the best part

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

10% haste translates to roughly 1.2ish actions per minute (unnoticeable by a normal player unless you're a psychopath counting your button presses)

[blazing jewel]

Sin is OT2 so I ask here. When is RH dnd session happening

[balmy condor]

80% of the raid hearthing after a boss to reforge for the next boss

[keen spruce]

oh i didn't even think about that

[cunning basin]

That was peak gameplay wym

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

yeah you see the issue now?

[cunning basin]

Being a blood dk and being able to get to 400% mastery by reforging every non mastery piece to mastery

[keen spruce]

what if they add like.. reforging power that builds up over time to prevent you from reforging all the time

[cunning basin]

Hey, no, bad

[brazen zodiac]

o.o

[keen spruce]

surely nothing could go wrong with that

[cunning basin]

SURELY

Nothing has EVER gone wrong with a system like that

Reforging was the shit tho I ironically I loved the degeneracy but I do acknowledge that my take is bad

At least I didn't like artifact power

[keen spruce]

[dark token]

People be like "sub feels so shit outside of shadow dance, it's so slow and I do no damage"

[pulsar dirge]

In aoe (5+mobs ) how much do you care about shiving your KB twice and optimally ? Seems like a lot of dots to manage. I saw some high keys without Lightweight Shiv . Could be the move?

[hardy dagger]

Shadowdust sin

[keen spruce]

everyone just wants incredible impactful CDs on 1-2minute timers and also do exceptional damage in between those CDs and have no resource management and have +3yd to melee at no loss