assassination

[grim jay]

I need to do some embellishment sims for myself later. For multispec I assume boots and patch are safe

[last obsidian]

Which Time Rift trinket is the best to get?

[strong sleet]

lariat also need alot of sockets to be good

[grim jay]

Yeah well BiS kinda is with sockets

[spice surge]

Its not remarkable even with sockets

[spice spire]

You are tho eleem

[grim jay]

Id assume you can just run 2x silken aswell ye

[grim jay]

You are too

[soft shale]

the raid neck with a shield is bae

[spice spire]

No

[drifting light]

https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9

[fallen forge]

ily bb

[strong sleet]

true. i thoughts its still about what to craft in the near future

[timber meadow]

40% suffering + 40% sophic + 70% crit on my opening kb and 2:30 kill time lol

kazz

like 40k more than last tier or some shit ... when the stars align shit kidna popps off

i was like 130-140 on other bosses without rng

[little forge]

I had some great fights with like 2:30 kill times 😛

Sadly no-one was logging

[mossy hazel]

Who are the big sin youtubers doing build guides and stuff these days?

[lucid rain]

whispyr, right?

[twin bay]

waiting until stuff is mostly set in stone

[lucid rain]

also holy fuck crimson tempest slaps

[clever sapphire]

whispyr did quite a few videos on the new assa rogue

would check that out

[plucky canopy]

What does Utilitarian mean? Is that a actual word or a new one invented by whispyr?

[clever sapphire]

im assuming its what a spec would be called if it was focusing on utility

[mossy hazel]

"Designed to be useful or practical"

[plucky canopy]

Oh thanks

[strange python]

when you gotta use the word being defined in the definition

like come on

[lucid rain]

[plucky canopy]

I read through the first two and was like, could u please use another word to explain that word. But 3a finally got me than 😅

[strange python]

yeah same

[slim hamlet]

How would you guys explain what the word "is" is

"when something is you know?"

When it is what it is

When something is something

[crisp pine]

I simply wouldn't

[slim hamlet]

Smart

[lucid rain]

after trying some advice I got

the good news is that my dps went up, so thank you ❤️

[clever sapphire]

i would take whispyrs numba 5

[strange python]

The word "is" is a third person singular present indicative form of the verb "to be." It signifies existence or the state of being. It's a tiny but mighty word that plays a crucial role in forming statements and expressing relationships between subjects and predicates.

[past glacier]

how accurate is WoWhead for build guides or should i find a youtuber? I'm new to assassination/rogues in general

[clever sapphire]

its good, use it

[slim hamlet]

what is this from

[clever sapphire]

or look up whispyr on youtube, he did quite a few guides

[crisp pine]

Heard the YouTuber Whispyr is pretty good :)

[slim hamlet]

you just used "is" to explain it

[clever sapphire]

whispyrs 5 rules before asking him

he sent it today

[past glacier]

sweet i'll check them out

[feral crest]

anyone know of an improved shiv debuff weakaura that works

[slim hamlet]

As if we could read

[lucid rain]

#assassination message

[timber meadow]

pretty sure at least right now im in a "am i getting pi?" "no/yes" "okay play outlaw/sin" loop? that pi boost seems crazy

[twin bay]

this discord is the single best thing in the world (of warcraft) if you want to learn about rogues and the guide writers are the same people that manage this discord

[slim hamlet]

So Whispyr what stats is best when trying to optimize restealthing and struggling to maintain envenom, in an unimagineable situation that still happens every key?

[clever sapphire]

you need to be more specific if you want to hit all his points

the last part is not specific enough

[slim hamlet]

No but it has to be

[past glacier]

sweet thank you

[slim hamlet]

It has to happen often but not be imagineable

can't have something specific be imageinable

[past glacier]

are people using shadow dance with no tier or echoing reprimand?

[fallen forge]

sTat WeiGhtS

[slim hamlet]

Dance

[clever sapphire]

both are possible, echoing is the easier to play but worse dps wise

[little forge]

If you really want to hit it you need to say you've found a new sim no rogue considered that suggests these stats in that situation due to your sweet new secret APL

[steel spire]

ER = 🤮

[slim hamlet]

Tier shouldn't change it too much, but even then getting used to dance is worthwhile

[pulsar apex]

Is it pinned / findable?

[remote oak]

Might as well get used to dance

[clever sapphire]

this guy sent it

[past glacier]

dance is just used right before KB right?

[slim hamlet]

smort

[slim hamlet]

ye

[past glacier]

at 390ilvl been hitting like over 100k hits with it. pretty gnarly lol

[clever sapphire]

yes is the easy answer, better answer is that on wowhead whispyr described the opener and cooldowns pretty well

[strange python]

When do we want to shiv - optimally in relation to Kingsbane?

[clever sapphire]

with or without DM

anyways, press shiv before dance

dumb question from me

[little forge]

Managed to get a 948k tick of kingsbane on sark last night. Altho the haste buff there is kinda cheating 😛

[strange python]

Like that should be the global before Dance/KB?

[clever sapphire]

yap

[strange python]

cool

[clever sapphire]

go higher, pump harder, destroy the scrubs

notters Kingsbane WA is whats fueling my dps addiction

i blame him for having fun

[pulsar apex]

If I drop atrophic for longer envenom windows I use instant as poison #2?

[eternal heath]

do we have a new WA for this by chance?

[remote oak]

For second DM do we setup an empowered garrote before DM or do we just DM > ShDance +KB > Garrote

[clever sapphire]

seeing as nothing better is left, yep

[past glacier]

wait are we not supposed to use instant poison normally?

[slim hamlet]

huh

What does this mean

[little forge]

No we use deadly + amplifying usually

He means amplifying poison

[clever sapphire]

he meant amp

[pulsar apex]

DTB

[slim hamlet]

You cannot drop a util poison to get lethal poison

[past glacier]

oh damn

[clever sapphire]

dm dance kb garrote

[pulsar apex]

I meant amp sorry

[clever sapphire]

vanish at the end of kb

[past glacier]

i was using instant instead of deadly lmao

[slim hamlet]

Oh yea

[remote oak]

Thank

[slim hamlet]

If no amp but u got DTB there is only instant left

[pulsar apex]

K

[clever sapphire]

excuse me, you forgot the healing reduction poison mr assa one trick outlaw sub player

[slim hamlet]

No

I didn't

That is fake

[clever sapphire]

but what about sanguine

[slim hamlet]

Was one of your fever dreams

[pulsar apex]

Would is super niche / pvp right?

[clever sapphire]

or assault healing reduction

its a pvp only for assa

[slim hamlet]

I wonder if it would actually be worth in sanguine weeks unironically over instant

[pulsar apex]

Wound *

[clever sapphire]

if you take that as assa you trolling

[clever sapphire]

no

[slim hamlet]

If sanguine didnt get nerfed

[clever sapphire]

like

no

as sub/outlaw? sure i guess

[slim hamlet]

It's barely a dmg loss over instant

[steel spire]

never take wound

[slim hamlet]

Instant is so doggy

[clever sapphire]

i mean if you not taking amp, do you even still care about poisons

[slim hamlet]

yes

[lucid rain]

this might be a stupid question but

[slim hamlet]

I predict a yes

[lucid rain]

you use deadly + amp for hybrid build right?

[slim hamlet]

yes

[lucid rain]

okay phew

[clever sapphire]

im gonna ask a question back, whats your other choice

and why would it make more sense

@lucid rain

[lucid rain]

more like I'm just double checking my assumption that deadly + amp is best

[past glacier]

ok so the poisons i should be using are deadly, amp, atrophic and the slow one?

[slim hamlet]

Reading tooltips is hard

[pulsar apex]

Wispyr vid mentioned if struggling with envenom chaining you can drop amp for the 2sec. Said to try it.

[slim hamlet]

Not like tooltips are known for being accurate

[clever sapphire]

aight, gotta make sure you didnt have any filthy wound thoughts

[lucid rain]

lol

bruh did you see the tooltip for shadow techniques in 10.1

"chance to grant additional combo points"

meanwhile the wowhead explanation is like an entire paragraph long

[slim hamlet]

Harder to find a good tooltip for sin than a weird one

[clever sapphire]

atleast you dont have "upper handed down handed left slap on the wrist i forgot the outlaw talent name but its a shit name"

[lucid rain]

underhanded upper hand

?

[clever sapphire]

could be

[lucid rain]

I thought it was a neat name

[clever sapphire]

too many U-s in 1 name

[burnt venture]

UHUH

[lucid rain]

U :huh:

[clever sapphire]

see, its like agreeing, for a sec i thought he agreed with me

[burnt venture]

Lmao

[clever sapphire]

anyways, the best change to dragonflight so far is that i can use normal flight

change my mind

(you cant, i hate dragonflying cause of the stamina)

[ember gyro]

looking for clarification, when looking at the rotation guide does 4+ combo points mean 4 or more, or more than 4?

[lucid rain]

4 or more

[clever sapphire]

4 or more

[ember gyro]

appreciated

that's how I took it, just wanted to make sure

[lucid rain]

never hurts to check

[azure osprey]

Anyone has a WA for caustic spatter?

[clever sapphire]

ye its weird, cause anyone would assume to build when missing 2 combo points

[past glacier]

i use luxthos weak auras for all my characters. seems to have everything you need

[ember gyro]

and my WA treats the combo bar differently when I have 5 or 6

[clever sapphire]

whispyrs plater profile makes the targetes healthbar green with spatter on them. His WA package also tracks spatter

[ember gyro]

so hitting a finisher at 4 seems interesting

[clever sapphire]

its new tech

[slim hamlet]

New tech that don't really matter

poggies

[clever sapphire]

sssssh

it matter in ma heart

[ember gyro]

is it assass specific? or do the other 2 also hit at 4+

[pulsar apex]

If you double crit with Mut you would waste 2 points

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-gif-24205888

[strange python]

If you hit another target with a "new" spatter - does it not go onto him (and remain on the old target) - or does it "swap over" to that new target.

[slim hamlet]

It is the same dmg as doing 5+

outside maybe opener to keep things rolling

[clever sapphire]

you can only have spatter on 1 target

[strange python]

Yeah - does it remain for the full duration on the original target. Or does it swap to the new one (and disappear from the old one).

[thorny pond]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[strange python]

I tried testing yesterday but got blinded by all the icons on my screen

[remote oak]

It’s been tough going from 5+ to 4+ CP finishers

[clever sapphire]

ah you meant that, it swaps targets im pretty sure

[strange python]

ok

[clever sapphire]

same, but its whatever, you can also finish at 5+ if thats your preference

[slim hamlet]

I see no reason to change if you're used to 5+

[clever sapphire]

whispyr said 4+, is that not reason enough for you?

[past glacier]

any recommendations for a nameplate? I've been using threat plates but they seem very small

[slim hamlet]

He also said "but it doesnt actually matter"

[remote oak]

Once I changed my CP weakaura to turn red when I’m at 4 instead of 5 it wasn’t so bad. Hard getting that muscle memory out though

[clever sapphire]

using whispyrs plater nameplates

[crisp pine]

Get plater, try to configure it yourself for 4 hours, give up and get a profile from wago

[burnt venture]

Plater

[past glacier]

lmao

[slim hamlet]

Only real way is to steal someone elses and configure from there

[past glacier]

ok i'll give that a go. thanks

[slim hamlet]

base plater is so insanely dogshit

[clever sapphire]

worse than default nameplates yap

i dont judge usually, but if i see you use default plater nameplates im gonna judge you

[manic quartz]

I like threatplates coz i hate plater cp indicators

[slim hamlet]

I used to use KUI nameplates

Was sick

Then I switched to a dot class and simply only plater works

[crisp pine]

remember that nameplate list addon that blizzard nuked cause it made dot classes enjoyable to play

[remote oak]

Manually configuring plater to not track stupid debuff and buffs is so tedious

[lucid rain]

coming from sub I feel like I'm looking at a space shuttle control board tracking debuffs

[past glacier]

i couldn't find whispyrs plater

[lucid rain]

leftmost is caustic

[clever sapphire]

!ui

[past glacier]

!ui

[slim hamlet]

Quite easy

[clever sapphire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[clever sapphire]

there

[slim hamlet]

U see something u dont wanna

[crisp pine]

what in gods name is that

[clever sapphire]

wrong command

[slim hamlet]

go in setting blacklist it

[lucid rain]

https://wago.io/t6bI_B9wi

[slim hamlet]

easy

[slim hamlet]

what did you just make me watch

[past glacier]

❤️

[lucid rain]

I don't have a great time looking at small icons

which most wa packs tend to have

[remote oak]

The blacklist is like 100 spells long at this point lol

[haughty jungle]

Can anyone explain those numbers on fuu simulations? Is outlaw really that much stronger in M+ or is it just on simulations?

[slim hamlet]

True

[twin bay]

have u tried using bars to track debuffs?

[slim hamlet]

over a year using it I also have gathered quite a list

[clever sapphire]

outlaw busted currently, sims are correct

[slim hamlet]

Can i respec outlaw and bust you?

[clever sapphire]

im kinda picky, i only take ass

sorry

[slim hamlet]

Huh

Talking about busting you being in the cookie jar

😠

[clever sapphire]

and im talking about assa

[slim hamlet]

[clever sapphire]

i dont see any issue

[brazen oasis]

is there a way to track imp. garrote from stealth and reg. garrotte separately?

[gusty mirage]

has to be hard coded

[brazen oasis]

thats what i thought

[gusty mirage]

you could yoink the garrote WAs from any of these:

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slim hamlet]

just remember it in head

real life weakaura

[clever sapphire]

can i trust you to not sue me for stealing from someones profile?

[brazen oasis]

any of those are that type of wa?

[strong sleet]

Whispyrs plater is only the DOT Thing right? Without a color Code for m+ stuff?

[gusty mirage]

whispyr's afenar edit has it, devlin's has it, and I think luxthos

[brazen oasis]

merci

[slim hamlet]

Whispyrs plater should be illegal

idc what anyone says

[gusty mirage]

of course, I only harass hunters and boomkins

[clever sapphire]

[gray crest]

Based

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-fascinating-interesting-fake-sure-gif-4110253572494542171

[slim hamlet]

his debuffs are going way over the edge and he has 2 of each poison and bleed when dm instead of a stack counter

I would explode

[agile geode]

Sin gonna be main in raid i think

Lot of bosses are pure st

[flint tusk]

I need to sort my plater out. It was fun having debuffs ago across the universe but now it’s just annoying.

[slim hamlet]

I think all specs will be played in rwf if sins bugs are fixed

[flint tusk]

It’s not pure ST which is the reason.
It’s the insane burst

[slim hamlet]

I don't track DM just so it dont go over the edge

I can't have it

[remote oak]

AoE is looking strong

[slim hamlet]

Just use the stack counter over bleeds

[slim hamlet]

Not close to outlaw tho

[fallen knoll]

How important is it to keep sanguine active on ST? feelin like that thing deals a lot since we going heavy into mastery but rotation also slows down a lot in order to stay above 150 so it's the drawback of using less abilities esp. once you're out of thistles.

[slim hamlet]

You dont think about sanguine itself

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-gif-26307682

Assa can only do singletarget
Assa doesnt lose much when forced of the boss

[remote oak]

While true, it’s the best I’ve ever seen it

[slim hamlet]

you pool for other reasons which makes sanguine also happen

[glossy imp]

but are we even pooling yet in st w/o new 4 pc?

[spice surge]

Bfa rogue opinions still existing

[slim hamlet]

Who said that?

[vestal wren]

outlaw does a lot of damage in cleave, so it does appear very strong in dungeons

[slim hamlet]

Feel like that wasn't the convo

1 min burst also slaps a lot on these bosses

[steel ridge]

are we supposed to hand in the worthy ally quest?

[slim hamlet]

idk what that is

[lucid rain]

no more bacon

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-salute-gif-24255323

[lucid rain]

o7

[warped nebula]

Looks like thunderfin is bugging atm so beware, no damage event is happening when procced few of my guildies have said

[slim hamlet]

wtf is thunderfin

[strange python]

lol

[slim hamlet]

Sounds made up

[lucid rain]

you sound made up

[slim hamlet]

I am

[remote oak]

thunderfin deez

[warped nebula]

Sorry the paracausal trinket thunderfin blessed blade of the wind seeker or whatever lol in case people are looking at getting that

[clever sapphire]

timewalking trinket, got it

not timewalking

i meant

that time event thingy

[warped nebula]

Yee time rift

All the other trinkets seem to be working, I got sulfuras and the doom hammer one and they’re fine

[coarse bear]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quiet vortex]

has someone crafted yet? and if so what item?

[clever sapphire]

didnt craft yet, but first item is gonna be toxic thorn boots

[thorn fjord]

Servers going down ya?

[quiet vortex]

i was thinking the same, think there is no chance something is better now? @clever sapphire

[clever sapphire]

well not so far

i mean sure dagger is better short term

but as soon as m+ is out, you get to farm dawn for the bis dagger

[quiet vortex]

true

[midnight granite]

I went with boots myself

[quiet vortex]

well sure, boots it is

[lucid rain]

just now managed to maintain 300k dps at 95 million damage on the dummies

sin aoe feels absurdly good

[crisp pine]

My kingsbane just did 3.7k damage 😎

[lucid rain]

😎

[clever sapphire]

fun fact, its just imaginary because sin aoe was so shit for so long that actually doing aoe feels insane xD

[lucid rain]

well I've always been a sin fanboy

I just played sub when it was the go-to

[forest nacelle]

sin=fun

😄

[lucid rain]

very!

[forest nacelle]

im thinking of maining sin over my BM hunter this time.

kinda sick of pets

[storm forum]

who's going to tell them?

[strange python]

I miss Hemo

[celest helm]

Ran a few assa keys last night, getting used to the KB dance window is gonna take practice but overall it felt good

[cunning basin]

The burst aoe in keys is HILARIOUS

[true flume]

Is it possible to create a macro that allows you to use an ability if a talent is not know. Opposite of this example:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, stance:1/2/3] Ambush ; Sinister Strike

[cunning basin]

I did some gross numbers in a 24 BH

[clever sapphire]

which abilities do you wanna do this to?

[celest helm]

Been reading but wanting to learn as much as i can, are you refering to the KB+CS combo in packs

[true flume]

for sepsis

[clever sapphire]

the talent you dont take?

[crisp pine]

I think they added a talented condition

[lucid rain]

would you happen to have a log I could look at?

[celest helm]

Didnt think sepsis gets used

[cunning basin]

Yeah just the whole dance window in a big pull is pretty absurd

[crisp pine]

[known:Spell] I think

[gusty mirage]

tf you gonna do, farm seeds for 5 rep at a time?

[true flume]

when i take sepsis, i dont want to use ambush

[strange python]

What is the CS referring to?

[true flume]

is what i want to try to do.

[clever sapphire]

but, you dont take sepsis

ever

so

[strange python]

oh Caustic Spatter

[celest helm]

I only ran 20-22s last night to practice but far too low to get full damage out with my team haha, gonna run 29NL tonight and see the damage

[cunning basin]

Unfortunately I do not, if my homie isn't logging we usually don't have them :c

[celest helm]

I can prob log it

[lucid rain]

all good

[celest helm]

Caustic spatter

[true flume]

i dont want to take have to figure it out if tuning happens.

[cunning basin]

I'll probably be running more tho and I'll try to get some logs if I can get it to work

[strange python]

You just using the "Hybrid build" for the keys?

[celest helm]

I was since tyr week but gonna run arterial build for fort

[cunning basin]

SD build fucks ngl

[forest nacelle]

i love SD+KB

[strange python]

oh dang realms are down for maint

[forest nacelle]

so much burst

[crisp pine]

shouldnt the reverse just be noknown?
like [noknown:talent] and then whatever you wanna do?

[cunning basin]

Demise was actually like 8% of my overall in one key, idk if that means I suck or what lmao

[clever sapphire]

well i would worry about it if it ever happens, seeing as thats gonna be a problem most likely for many more people, its gonna get pinned surely

[true flume]

does this work?

[crisp pine]

it should?
Idk never tried it

but noknown is a condition they added to reverse the known logic

[true flume]

lmao ill try it when i get home. I was not sure what the syntax was for it.

[stable flint]

Does sudden demise have a cool down? Or can it proc to all mobs in one pull?

[cunning basin]

It has a per-target cd

But not like an internal cd

[stable flint]

Because in my runs it just procs like 20-30 times (freehold)

[cunning basin]

So yes it can just kill every mob in a pull if you get them all low at once

[crisp pine]

The Patch Notes say
NEW MACRO CONDITIONAL: KNOWN
Use [known:] to check for a talent’s learned status. Works with names and spell IDs. Works with #showtooltip. Use [noknown:] to reverse the logic.

so should probably work

[lucid rain]

so when you go into dance, assuming it's not a waste to garrote

[stable flint]

So maybe my bleeds where to low and anyone else just hit harder :P

[lucid rain]

would you garrote garrote rupture mutilate kingsbane?

[woven oxide]

Does anyone know how assasination performed assasination to Outlaw and sub in the raid testing on the ptr ?

[limber lion]

Very well

Better or par with Outlaw

But tuning comes and goes

[thorn fjord]

Pour one out for a sub homies

[rapid laurel]

None of the weakauras are showing the uptime of caustic splatter are there any that do that

[thorn fjord]

Don’t think you even need to track that

[limber lion]

Kinda do

[rapid laurel]

in aoe it just keeps falling off without me noticing

[limber lion]

You don't Mutilate on 3+ targets unless it's to apply spatter

[limber lion]

Whispyr's pack has it at least, yoink from there

It's a very simple wa

You could just dupe any uptime wa and change the id to spatter

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[limber lion]

Here's Whispyr WA

[rapid laurel]

Thank you very much!

[pulsar apex]

do i ever want to use SD outside of KB?

[limber lion]

Not really

[pulsar apex]

its currently both macro with KB and a seperate bind for completeness. but im never pressing the seperate bind ever.

[limber lion]

Only scenario is AoE without Spatter

But that's kinda niche

Just use the macro yeah, it's fine

[thorn fjord]

Macro is nice

[burnt venture]

Macro make it easier. Only time you’d want to SD outside of KB is to get IC used I believe

That’s only if your tank is chain pulling and you can’t restealth between packs

[pulsar apex]

hmm yeah i see

[little forge]

I find it useful in aoe to be able to dance + spread dots then KB at the end of the dance

[pulsar apex]

ie tank is chaining and you cant keep up / resteath

?

[burnt venture]

Yes

[pulsar apex]

gotcha

[burnt venture]

Which likely won’t happen in coordinated groups but if you pug probably will

[pulsar apex]

ok its seperate bind is staying. then as you say right at the end of the SD you could squeese the KB on a high target

[thorn fjord]

Puts a smile on my face seeing everyone gearing up to m+ as sin

[slim hamlet]

Surely

[thorn fjord]

I’m keeping it simple and just running OL 🤣

[slim hamlet]

Surely no one will reroll outlaw if it stays

[pulsar apex]

my wrists are thanking my sin choices

[brazen oasis]

are we playing around sanguine blades or just ignoring it? in sims and logs in cant find anything that indicates we're actually pooling or playing around the 50% treshold

[little forge]

I'm playing sin even if outlaw is slightly more damage tbh. Between iron wire and VDH tank nothing is going to cast, ever 😛

[slim hamlet]

you play around it but not for it

its in wowhead guide

[burnt venture]

Oh shit I thought he meant Sudden Demise sry

Ignore my dumbass

[pulsar apex]

is there a math/writeup on how Venomous Wounds works with multiple targets? like how much does it scale?

[slim hamlet]

How does one get the Sparks of life pvp rep quest done fast

[pulsar apex]

or is VM ONLY based on 1x Gar and 1x Rup regardless of target number?

[slim hamlet]

it scales

It does exactly the same on the first target as on the 2nd

same with deathmark duplicated bleeds

[pulsar apex]

so is it capped? ie if i Gar/Rup multiple targets am i getting energy flooded forver?

[burnt venture]

Being energy flooded is not a thing right now

Especially if you are using CT like you should be

If anything I seem starved atm

[slim hamlet]

If you open with IC and bleed 200 mobs then you have infinite enery yea

[little forge]

You get flooded if you have more rupture / garrotes out than CT on AOE still

Which is good

[rugged wadi]

@balmy condor is it normal that im getting lower sim than before they change the talent tree? with exact same gear?

[slim hamlet]

idk what new breakpoint is for infinite energy but you can

[pulsar apex]

yeah but im tryin to understand how VM actually works. If I Gar/Rup 1x target i get 7 engergy inc. If i Gar/Rup 10 targets I get 70 energy inc?

[little forge]

7 per tick

[pulsar apex]

ok understood ty

[little forge]

on any target

There is no cap or anything

[pulsar apex]

perfect ty

[true flume]

In AOE if during out KB + DANCE window do we prio getting up bleeds with IC or do we prio envenom for KB + CS?

[slim hamlet]

also why you get infinite energy in DM

(not actually infinite but u know)

[pulsar apex]

DM?

[slim hamlet]

Deathmark

[pulsar apex]

ok ya

ok sweet - starting to make sense

[slim hamlet]

if you going into a pull with no stealth you wanna use dance to get bleeds out too eya

[pulsar apex]

fun energy mechanic

[slim hamlet]

Bleeds are the most important, it's dmg and energy and silence

[true flume]

would i press KB during that anyways ? or do i wait after dance to use envenoms in my KB?

[celest helm]

Sync dance kb and shivs

[slim hamlet]

Basically always use KB start of dance

[celest helm]

Shiv-dance-KB

[slim hamlet]

999/1000 scenarios

[true flume]

ok so i would Shiv dance KB and just start spreading bleeds with IC ?

[slim hamlet]

probably get spatter and envenom up first

but yea something like that

m+ isn't hyper set in stone it depends on a lot of stuff

[little forge]

You probably spread bleeds with dance then KB at the end, at least thats what i've been doing

[slim hamlet]

Feels not worth

[little forge]

Esp in AOE if you dont have 5 ruptures out you're missing 20% agi

[slim hamlet]

because of MA

Could be

[little forge]

20% agi is a lot to be missing

[slim hamlet]

Also holding KB for 6 seconds

then it dont sync for next time

[true flume]

the point of dance is to subterfuge of in the first 3 secs no ? or is subterfuge active all of dance ?

[slim hamlet]

• and - for both wonder whats actually better

subterfuge has nothing to do with dance

[little forge]

You have all stealth benefits for all of dance

but not for 3s after dance

since its not actually stealth

[fleet pagoda]

Nighstalker (10% damage) snapshotting is the main draw to dance I think

[still creek]

Whats the optimal way to get alot of ruptures up on a big pack? Start from stealth and get garrotes up, rupture, FoK rupture FoK rupture FoK Rupture?

[slim hamlet]

NS is main reason for it in st yea

dance is also very nice for m+ outside that

for ic

and iron wire

[fleet pagoda]

oh, true. mid pull iron wire goes hard

[slim hamlet]

We have such high iron wire uptime

our utility is actually wicked

[strange python]

pugs care about details

[steel spire]

tanks be like iron wire?

[little forge]

Between how often iron wire is up and blackjack + aoe blind we're damn good at keeping our group alive

[fleet pagoda]

blackjack too

[slim hamlet]

Iron wire + aoe blackjack + numbing and crippling when needed

Sin is more of tanks best friend than aug

[little forge]

Aug + Sin + 3rd dps and anyone can tank 😛

[steel spire]

we do be debuff kings

[woven frost]

My tank whines about crippling constantly lol

[little forge]

Invite a frost mage so it overwites crippling 😄

[slim hamlet]

Crippling is only bad in sanguine

and when coordinated it aint even bad in sanguine

[woven frost]

It was more for those dragging hallways in Neltharus. Don’t need to worry about those anymore.

[full iron]

hey, may i ask how much haste u guys have ?

i have like 4 % atm and have a feeling that i have energy problems in aoe fights

[little forge]

You will run low energy on low target aoe

[slim hamlet]

worthless question, no one has stats that matters for new raid yet and all depends on your own gear

[steel spire]

reapply poisons

[slim hamlet]

always sim 🙂

[spark scaffold]

is there race simms for 10.2?

[little forge]

Thats not a haste thing, but if on >3 ish targets your running low check your dot uptime

[slim hamlet]

haste won't help you with this, the spec has energy "problems" it's meant to be like that

[strange python]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2dvWSKUtv3DbHtZmb1jTTV

[little forge]

Also if you have sanguine blades and use crimson tempest before you have rupture / garrottes out your energy will drop super fast

[spark scaffold]

thanks a lot

what's the base sim race?

[steel spire]

forced to aram until reset

[strange python]

hooman

[lucid rain]

what does a typical shadow dance window look like in aoe?

garrote x2, rupture, mutilate, envenom, kingsbane?

[slim hamlet]

Depends

do u got bleeds up

did u have restealths

do u need urgent iron wire

[lucid rain]

bleeds need to be refreshed, no restealth, no need for wire

[fleet pagoda]

assuming kb is running, make sure caustic's up and you can build with garrote

[slim hamlet]

Gotta get some bleeds depending on target amount

wanna have 5+ ruptures

[little forge]

For me its been something like rupture -> garrote2 -> rupture -> garrote2 -> KB, envenom, shiv, multilate

everything after the KB falls outside of shadow dance tho and you dont have some buffs up for the first part of it

But KB damage is low at start anyway

Maybe not optimal, im sure someone has sims

[slim hamlet]

The general use of dance is in wowhead

[limber lion]

"low at start" isn't an excuse, if you don't have Envenom up before KB and 100% uptime during KB, your KB will not do big damage later on

[little forge]

If you miss envenom for 1s of kingsbane thats not optimal but not going to make a massive difference anyway

[limber lion]

Always have Env.up with KB, #1 priority

[little forge]

which is why I put the envenom first

[limber lion]

It is

Literally

It is

It stacks pseudo multiplicatively

[slim hamlet]

Nerd words

[cunning basin]

Alright I gotta question, if I am graced with PI when is the ideal timing for it?

[limber lion]

Just missing one second of Envenom can be the difference between 450k last tick or 280k

[slim hamlet]

on DM

[strange python]

Stupid question - does Envenom - Spatter?

[cunning vine]

in outlaw channel they have pinned the trinkets from the time rift at 450, is Paracausal Fragment of Azzinoth 450 gonna be a thing for us as assa to start with maybe? (https://www.wowhead.com/item=206972/paracausal-fragment-of-azzinoth)

[cunning basin]

That's what I figured

[limber lion]

(random numbers)

[slim hamlet]

yup

[thorn fjord]

So then Env -> Dm -> Shiv -> SD -> KB -> gar -> Env -> rupture?

[slim hamlet]

gar -> env -> rupture

[thorn fjord]

Talking the second dm

[strange python]

Our AOE feels good - it's still a lot more work than what most specs have to do though

[thorn fjord]

Not opener

[slim hamlet]

u cant use 2 spenders in a row

no matter when

[limber lion]

Yeh he's just saying finisher - finisher is impossible

But yeh somethibg like that

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I know that just omitted the mutilates

[cerulean nest]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[slim hamlet]

illegal

[little forge]

Am I wrong in that each poison proc adds 20% to the multiplier, not multiplying the damage by 20%. I.e kingsbane damage is multiplied by 1 + (0.2*poison pros)

I.e 5 procs is doing double damage, not 248% damage

[spice surge]

Correct

[cunning basin]

And I believe there is a cap on it as well, yeah?

[prisma cypress]

do i ever need to worry about how much time remains on garrote and rupture before entering shadow dance? is it better to refresh them beforehand to make the subsequent empowered ones longer?

[cunning basin]

Ideally you're refreshing in pandemic window, but you don't want to refresh them immediately refresh again

[slim hamlet]

you would just be wasting cds if you do that a lot

[spice surge]

Ive heard 99, but im not sure thats true

[slim hamlet]

it is

[cunning basin]

Oh I heard 30 lmao

[slim hamlet]

you will reach that always in ST

with windfury at least

[cunning basin]

99 sounds much more fun

[limber lion]

Sure is

Sims cap at 99

[spice surge]

[void dove]

Hey guys,
is there a bug with our weapon poisons? I need to refresh them all the time, because they disappear

[strange python]

lol yeah "why am i dying" oh leeching poison went away

[lucid rain]

are you respeccing a lot?

[runic hinge]

Every time you hit a loading screen it falls off

[strange python]

It's just leeching that disappears for me

[high berry]

I haven’t seen that . Are you doing time walking ?

[cunning basin]

Leeching poison disappearing is so annoying lol

[void dove]

yes

ahh, maybe it is the loading screen thing

thanks a lot haha

[runic hinge]

That’s been a bug the whole expansion unfortunately

[lone lantern]

if you are doing tw you have to reapply every time for some reason

[strange python]

Would you rather (you can only pick one)

1. Leeching poison disappears
2. stealth randomly drops

[high berry]

TW always drops your poison when you port in

If you chain them going from dungeon to dungeon generally you don’t have to reapply

[strange python]

blizz be like "we gotta roll back some of our code to either 2009 or 2019 - so you gotta pick which one you want to deal with for the entire next xpac"

[burnt venture]

Lol

[high berry]

@strange python I never want stealth to drop randomly. You know it only happens at the worst possible moment.

[lone lantern]

lol

[pulsar dirge]

I just realized that Elaborate Planning was removed , had it since Legion ? Gonna miss the little yellow fella

[strange python]

yeah like when you're flagged in WM and you're sneaking past that group of 7 people - thinking you're stealthed, but you're really just walking by em all slowly...completely out in the open.

[high berry]

lol. So true

[gusty mirage]

yeah it was a choice node between cut to the chase and EP and people got mad

[verbal fox]

Hi, just to wanna share my opinion: poison bomb and dragon tempered looks awful.
You applying all bleeds, then you have a time to cast couple of envenoms(1-2) then pack dies... or you should reapply bleeds.
Just for me poison bomb + dt looks weak. (16+ key)

[gusty mirage]

so it was sacrificed to the gods

[strange python]

It's just so tough when you're in a low key - all kindsa specs feel so bad - and bad specs can feel good there.

[steel ridge]

1. you played a season 2 key, second you played a +16, third you should have played arterial instead of dtb for that kind of dungeon

[slim hamlet]

Sudden demise is the only talent that matters under +20 key

[cunning basin]

In low keys dot classes are going to feel bad, it's just kinda the way it works. In 24+ keys sin is feeling GREAT

[strange python]

Front-loaded burst specs will always have the most fun in low keys

[dark token]

also did sin sim get a buff 👀 i think im 2k higher than yesterday

[strange python]

But also - if stuff is dying that fast - your damage is largely irrelevant to the outcome anyway. So just sit back and have fun.

[gusty mirage]

hey woah this is a class discord, there's no room here for logic

[strange python]

lol

[gusty mirage]

we're supposed to be mad about something

like slice and dice

or acrobatic strikes

[cunning basin]

GIVE ME ACRO OR GIVE ME DEATH

[gusty mirage]

if you say slice and dice 3 times you summon @royal lantern

[cunning basin]

ACRO BASELINE OR RIOT

[ember mural]

[gusty mirage]

oh shit that was twice now

[cunning basin]

What's slice and dice?

[gusty mirage]

[steel ridge]

[cunning basin]

[blazing jewel]

[runic hinge]

Lmfao nice name

[blazing jewel]

Blame quake

[runic hinge]

The usual suspect

[steel spire]

baseline DT and baseline KB

[cunning basin]

I can't wait for hero specs and one of them is gonna make SnD a passive so exactly one rogue spec is still gonna have to press the button xd

[steel spire]

remove cd on fent

[cunning basin]

Remove energy cost on feint

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cute-cat-kitten-looking-gif-17269534

[cunning basin]

GG

[shy pecan]

#KeepSliceAndDice

[royal lantern]

shut up

[void mesa]

Ohno

The usual controversial topics are back

RESET THE CLOCK

[gusty mirage]

I missed you

:3

[cunning basin]

Wait wait I got one

ahem I think that Sepsis is a fun, interesting button to press with deep and engaging gameplay.

[strange python]

I mean it can be just as good as Kingsbane

[cunning basin]

[strange python]

just rename Kingsbane to Sepsis and make it poison'y'er

[gusty mirage]

sepsis was a banger when it was a thing

[void mesa]

I was gonna say, Sepsis was pretty fine

[thorn fjord]

Sepsis was def a banger

[cunning basin]

Wtf

[spice spire]

Banger? I hardly know er!

[strange python]

oh yeah it was borderline STOOPID in pvp

[cunning basin]

Where are all the sepsis haters

[gusty mirage]

but I will gladly sacrifice sepsis for the return of kingsbane

[cunning basin]

I stg there were like 50 sepsis haters in here like 2 days ago

[steel spire]

3 buff sepsis F

[gusty mirage]

our prayers have been answered

[thorn fjord]

Sepsis+KB arc tho

[strange python]

I think I probably also just really liked/like the Sepsis Icon. It like feels good for me to be pressing.

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-raccoon-dance-raccoon-pole-dance-gif-12393067

[grim tangle]

sepsis haters are players who played sub this entire tier

[runic hinge]

This was actually me in 10.0.5

[gusty mirage]

that was all of us

[strange python]

Kingsbane sounds liek a Paladin talent or something

[spice spire]

Wish that was me

[runic hinge]

[thorn fjord]

same

[shy pecan]

[cunning basin]

Yeah haha definitely couldn't be me

[spice spire]

I swear Assassination is just full of men in their late 20's/early 30's so comfortable with their own sexuality that they can only meow for each other or call each other cute and I'm here for it. What a time to be alive :3c

[strange python]

I just made a macro so that when I use Kingsbane, it shows up as Sepsis - and my Weakaura to track it is Sepsis too.

[runic hinge]

:3

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/miau-cat-meow-gif-9406008167044251375

[strange python]

damn so you're saying I'm old

[gusty mirage]

the sepsis rotation was also significantly smoother than bonespike

[cunning basin]

I played sub the whole tier but I do like sepsis

[royal lantern]

weridly specifc but somewhat true

[gusty mirage]

all around banger of a talent

[spice spire]

Shut your fucking mouth

Don’t you ever disrespect the goat like that again

[gusty mirage]

yeah I loved waiting 5s for my bonespike to hit teros's cock inside the hole

10/10 ability

[cunning basin]

Fuck bonespike, me and all my homies hate bonespike

[thorn fjord]

Bonespike? I hardly knew her

[void mesa]

How can sbs be the goat

If its not played half the time

[spice spire]

So he’s into sounding? And?

[cunning basin]

[royal lantern]

SL deathspike nostalgia

[strange python]

I'm ngl, i was a big fan of bonespike too. It like "smoothed" out the rotation or something.

[royal lantern]

baseline bonespike just sucks

[gusty mirage]

bonespike was absolutely fucking trash all expansion

[royal lantern]

lame as fk ability

[gusty mirage]

the only thing that made bonespike good in SL was all the bonuses that came with it

now it does fuck all for damage

[cunning basin]

Hell yeah there we go now we got some haters in here

[spice spire]

Yeah okay snd boy

[void mesa]

Ah, I see. So its nostalgia copium, sry to hear x)

[spice spire]

Alright sepsis icon

[steel spire]

F spikelaw

[gusty mirage]

and we only played it because of lethal dose

[spice spire]

Move on old man

[runic hinge]

I think sbs looks cool tbh

[gusty mirage]

fuck bonespike

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/okidoki-boomer-gura-senzawa-gif-19260526

[strange python]

sbs is still fun to play

[runic hinge]

Just hurling a giant green spike

[storm forum]

SBS is a glorified +2% Dose damage rn

[cunning basin]

Fuck bonespike

[lucid rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dn1ICx8fRk

[woven frost]

Bring back Azerite armor

[steel spire]

spike and outlaw was goat tf

[void mesa]

I cant believe were at the level of calling each other abilities smh my head

[storm forum]

It was nice to press it on 4 CP though, felt like I was losing less

[gusty mirage]

SBS has always been that since they stripped away the soulbinds & conduit & deathspike

[royal lantern]

BASED

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

Yeah okay and?

[strange python]

[sand burrow]

Yip!

[gusty mirage]

trash ability bro

like actually

[sand burrow]

Are there any deep dive articles/vids/pods for assassination? I like to understand what and why, not just wowhead and go.

[blazing jewel]

Yea it’s stinky

[spice spire]

Be kind to yourself

[dark token]

imo they should combine kingsbane and flag buttons together in a new button called "klag"

[gusty mirage]

you and your shit fav spell are already in my note dw

[runic hinge]

Whispyr has vids on YouTube

[strange python]

I might have more grey hairs in my beard than the lot of like 8 of you

[spice spire]

Jesus Christ

[dark token]

when u kingsbane you can also get 30 mastery stacks

[gusty mirage]

doubtful

I've been graying since I was 17

[strange python]

another wise gentleman i presume? great

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

that's half my lifespan

[void mesa]

oof

[gusty mirage]

half my beard is gray now

[strange python]

lol

[runic hinge]

My entire sideburns are grey lol

[slim hamlet]

ancient

god damn

[gusty mirage]

nice role icon nerd

[woven frost]

Yall are lucky dudes get away with grey hair

[strange python]

We have a dude at work with like at least a foot long beard. The bottom part is grey...and the top like 3 inches are brown again.

[slim hamlet]

bro got snd icon and memes me

💀

[gusty mirage]

Keep It Rolling to #outlaw you fucking loser

[cunning basin]

LMAO

[lucid rain]

[strange python]

[cunning basin]

Holy shitttt

[grim jay]

oxi being a savage

[void mesa]

Yeah, calling out icons in #assassination while you have KiR is

[slim hamlet]

Imma Slide and Dunk these nuts in your face buddy

[cunning basin]

LMAOOOOO

[gusty mirage]

Okay? How is a reward supposed to deter me?

[slim hamlet]

[void mesa]

oxipls

[strange python]

f'in sh jeezus

[shy pecan]

That emote is cursed

[slim hamlet]

it is

get it away

[gusty mirage]

which one, I got plenty

[void mesa]

We're gonna have plenty of new people with the rework, we cant scare them all away like that

[cunning basin]

Just another normal one in the assassination channel

[gusty mirage]

look at the name of that one

BANGER emote

[slim hamlet]

They will be scared away when they !fuu anyways

[cunning basin]

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

[slim hamlet]

ew

[gusty mirage]

[woven frost]

Why wouldn’t we scare them? Isn’t that what the outlaw channel is for?

[void mesa]

ohplsno I don't want to go back there D:

[thorn fjord]

Me every work day around 1pm

[void mesa]

Outlaw is the zoomer pen

[gusty mirage]

getting paid to poop, the only way to defeat capitalism

[void mesa]

We're just huh... whatever oxi described earlier I guess

[past forum]

This and the Cat/Dog/Stuart thread were what lead me to realizing I was a true ass man

[void mesa]

Stuart BIS

[gusty mirage]

we love stuart

even though he's a menace to @runic hinge 's life

[cunning basin]

Ngl I've been in a lot of class discords

[void mesa]

A worthwhile sacrifice and risk I am willing to take

[cunning basin]

And I gotta say this one is the most entertaining helpful uhhh... Weird?

[woven frost]

So you’re saying you cheat on us frequently? How rude

[past forum]

Some of you may get bitten and screamed at, but that is a risk I am willing to take

[gusty mirage]

Shadowlands broke us all, we've found new ways to cope

[void mesa]

you take that back, we're not here to be helpful

[strange python]

I find it quite meandering

[spice spire]

Contrary to the entertaining bit, the aim is to help as much as needed

[runic hinge]

Gf leaves tomorrow 5 whole days of me and Stu!

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/ogvhs-woo-wooo-woooo-wooooo-gif-22674107

[spice spire]

“Woooooo”

[gusty mirage]

if stuart was a human

[spice spire]

[past forum]

Wooooo

[cunning basin]

It's okay shadowlands broke me too

[storm forum]

you just need to find the one helpful answer in the twenty joke replies after every question

[runic hinge]

Woooooo

[cunning basin]

I wasn't playing rogue at the time, I was unholy dk into fury warrior

[slim hamlet]

Flexing girlfriend in a wowchat

[void mesa]

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

[slim hamlet]

ok buddy

[sand burrow]

We are rogues. Cheating comes standard (every 6 minutes).

[blazing jewel]

WOOOOO

[cunning basin]

I'm polyam I don't cheat D:

[past forum]

Can we have the kb tracker wa play a stuart woo clip whenever you get a new high record

[lucid rain]

that sounds like such a stock cheater excuse

no baby I wasn't cheating

[woven frost]

As long as you love us the mostest

[lucid rain]

I'm polyam

[gusty mirage]

send help

[void mesa]

Scana back to egirl era for new tier? 👀

[blazing jewel]

Oxi about to make me cheat frfr

[cunning basin]

Also low-key the dk discord is the least helpful and most doomer fuckin discord ever LMAO

[sand burrow]

On brand.

[gusty mirage]

I mean tbf, right now uhdk is hot ass garbage

[night crag]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lucid rain]

at least they're roleplaying properly

[gusty mirage]

and frost aint much better

[void mesa]

DK discord has like 20 ppl anyways

[woven frost]

So you’re the reason Raidbots is lagging

[void mesa]

Class is deadge

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

At least they're hot

[spice spire]

He’s not even close

[gusty mirage]

this stupid invigorating shadowdust build is the reason my brain is lagging

[past forum]

The DH discord has cleaned up recently but used to be hot garbo

[cunning basin]

Frost is sick, I just went there once last season to see what embellishments I should use kek

[empty lava]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[void mesa]

VDH is chill

Havoc DH.........

[cunning basin]

Then I left because it was less helpful than the outdated guide

[slim hamlet]

Still remember first time I went there they talked about hentai and 2nd time there was an anime girl sucking on a banana gif

[gusty mirage]

would you like me to poke biceps

or kazak

[past forum]

Yep, there was certainly no shortage of that

[gusty mirage]

biceps is currently in peak depression mode

[spice spire]

Unironically the dk lads seem very pleasant

[gusty mirage]

so idk how helpful that'd be

[cunning basin]

Sadge

[gusty mirage]

babylonius also in peak depression mode

WW monk simming 211k ST

[strange python]

so do i go do these Emerald Dream seeds to get 400 more flightstones or just wait til next week

[cunning basin]

Rip unholy dk, you only got a whole tier of being the best

[gusty mirage]

they're legit 10% worse than the avg rn

green rogue is being oppressed

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-monkey-banana-lick-eat-gif-4876345

[woven frost]

Depends of which hotfix they decide to do this hour.

[spice surge]

WW and spriest down bad

[gusty mirage]

we must speak for our green brethren

[spice surge]

Atleast DKs have frost

[past forum]

Blizzard should buy Babylonius and Publik a payed vacation, mfs on the edge of a cliff

[strange python]

Yeah Frost DK is the only dk spec i find remotely enjoyable/playable

[spice surge]

And surely the legendary carries unholy

[gusty mirage]

yeah when I saw the prelim sheets it's fucking rough man

[cunning basin]

Same brother

[grim jay]

hopefully not the breath build. and BDK is great

[woven frost]

Do we do an “Ass Rogues for Green Rogue” campaign?

[gusty mirage]

SURELY it gives them 30k DPS

[past forum]

My favorite part of Max’s talk was when he brought Publik on. The way he said “hey buddy…” sounded like he was taking to a sick animal

[strange python]

No I mean like the base frost build but yeah - it just feels ok to play.

[cunning basin]

My WW monk in my raid said when asked about his spec "well according to the discord and everything I've read, it's dogshit, again, are you actually surprised by that?"

[slim hamlet]

prolly will

[spice spire]

WW deserve better

Just like enhance did for the longest time

[gusty mirage]

if that's the case, fury warrior is about to be the best spec in the game

[spice spire]

And they’ve been relatively decent since

[slim hamlet]

prolly will x2

[void mesa]

Enhance needs to be better

So I can gaslight people into giving me WFT

[strange python]

I just need an xpac where I devote to one class.

[spice spire]

Enhance is actually really good for like

[slim hamlet]

enhance is like the 2nd best dps in the game

[strange python]

like rain or shine - i'm playin git

[spice spire]

All of DF

[cunning basin]

WW just needs love, their tree and rotation and just gameplay I'm general is ROUGH

[void mesa]

POG

[cunning basin]

Enhance is fucking sick

[grim jay]

yeah. they deserve to get a cool skill in place of that abomination thats fist of fury and get some buffs

[woven frost]

Wait. You can play other classes?!?

[gusty mirage]

WFT even if enhance sucks, is like 20-30k dps for the melee

[void mesa]

Maybe I'll get two people to swap over to enhance for maximum uptime

[spice spire]

I actually didn’t mind the rotation as someone who picked it up in 10.1

[past forum]

My raid lead is a prot warrior and he’s fine with having 2x enhance always so he gets wf

[gusty mirage]

there's no shot they sacrifice that raid DPS because enhance is meh

[spice spire]

But fuck it does 0 damage st

[gusty mirage]

enhance isn't even bad

[spice surge]

In m+ they might

[void mesa]

Maybe I should just RL and get all the buffs

[gusty mirage]

they're simming like 242 rn

lol

[storm forum]

Enhance is like PI, but for 4 people

[cunning basin]

I just fucking hate serenity

[strange python]

I've played literally everything throughout the years. My rogue usually lags behind. But people are normally like "hey we're kinda full on rogues, do you mind playing anything else" - and then that gets me on my mage or lock usually.

[spice spire]

I don’t know better and did a lot of keys

[gusty mirage]

idk with how good rogue and DH are

[spice spire]

So I was using storm build

[cunning basin]

I accidentally became a rogue one trick this tier

[gusty mirage]

probably do WFT + Aug + DH/Rogue

[strange python]

unless boomkin is super op - then i play boomkin. which i actually hate.

[spice spire]

It could be boomkin Aug dh/rogue

[lucid rain]

I like how you just call the spec wft

[spice spire]

[cunning basin]

My rl told me I wasn't allowed to swap and she wants a second rogue but it's hard to find someone as good as me

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

Some of my most degenerate gameplay - has definitely been on a boomkin.

[spice surge]

Playing sub without windfury is absolute misery

[void mesa]

thats how the spec looks the me as a melee 🙂

[cunning basin]

(that would actually apply to our guild)

[spice surge]

so then itll have to be any of the other specs if you dont have it

[spice spire]

This was my tier to shine

[gusty mirage]

wft doesn't fix the fact that shadowdust is the best build

so it's already misery

[spice spire]

And then I said damn

I gotta love

[cunning basin]

Shadow dust 🤢

[woven frost]

Just play worse.

[storm forum]

I've played Rogue, Priest and Druid at a CE level. I have two types, Heal and DoT.

[gusty mirage]

but gutting shadow dust and not buffing sub just leaves it sad

[spice surge]

Swapping away from dust loses you less than you lose from not having wft

[gusty mirage]

so idk

[storm forum]

god i love DoT

[cunning basin]

I don't wanna I fuckin love this class lmao

[rancid anvil]

is there an order you need to put your poisons on with Dragon-tempered blades?

[cunning basin]

Nope

[strange python]

oh god yeah - if you see me healing - i was desperate for a raid spot. But yeah I'm actually really good at healing.

[storm forum]

whichever order brings you the most joy

[runic hinge]

department of transportation?

[gusty mirage]

sub gets like 11-12k dps from WFT

[spice surge]

Wft is like 13.5k

[gusty mirage]

isn't non-dust like 13-14k behind dust?

[spice spire]

They get how much

[woven frost]

The plate spinning of Ass is what makes me happy. I love keeping tabs on all those lovely little dot babies.

[storm forum]

Dong on Tits

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

oh true

with 4pc

you right

[runic hinge]

[spice spire]

Dog I thought the 9k was giga

[spice surge]

Dust is only 7k or so behind

[near valley]

Windfury dependent spec

[gray crest]

Spinning plate of ass you say

[gusty mirage]

yeah uh wft for sub

is absolutely fucking bonkers

[strange python]

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

the only spec that comes close is frost DK and assassination

and it aint even close

lmao

[spice surge]

I mean, assa is at like 9k

So thats still a lot

[storm forum]

we want ALL THE EXTERNALS

[strange python]

yeah i think sin is like 13k for pi and 9k for wft

[spice surge]

But less than 13k obv

[spice spire]

Sin external dependent

[near valley]

I mean 9k vs 13.5k is quite a difference in value

[spice spire]

[cunning basin]

I mean it generates them resources so it's gotta be up in the "gets free resources" category with frost dk

[gusty mirage]

ye just under 13k for PI

only uhdk gets more value, but they're trash tier rn

[spice spire]

22k from rando externals

Actual doom

[spice surge]

A strong independant quake dont stand a chance against the power of friendship

[gusty mirage]

assassination is the optimal spriest PI target too

[near valley]

Man sucks to be outlaw. No pi, no Aug buff, no Wft, just pure organic natty dpsing

[royal lantern]

huh?

spriest pi sucks for assa lol