assassination

[slim hamlet]

It is working but not correctly

[storm forum]

What's bugged?

[slim hamlet]

It randomly procs under 35%

even if it doesnt kill

[storm forum]

Oh lmao

[halcyon silo]

Yeah not having the new set feels bad lol. I was like where is all my big damage

[sand burrow]

Thanks, I'll try that. I do like it on M+, it was a huge help on Nelth's worm boss, but would be worth it.

[halcyon silo]

It worked for me in the first pull of FH last night just everything died and the group was like WTF

[slim hamlet]

Well multiple have confirmed this

It does dmg

But not when it should

[halcyon silo]

The joy of a new patch

[fleet pagoda]

i did my leather farming route this morning and it wasn't doing much

[sand burrow]

I was playing Sub last patch, and even figuring out build and rotation on Sin, I'm up by 10% damage in ST, and 50%(!!!) In AoE.

[slim hamlet]

Could be op bug if not fixed before raid

[halcyon silo]

Things don't work as they should

[fleet pagoda]

in ptr it was slaughtering on open world

[slim hamlet]

Since it will just proc under 35% hp every 10 sec I would expect

bcs of the 10 sec icd

[storm forum]

Exsang never dies

[static shore]

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[snow delta]

still go for Crit=>mastery ?

[strange python]

sim it, but really doesn't much matter. I think it's technically mastery > crit=haste > vers (but things change as we gear up)

Whispyr said that a full vers set (like outlaw) swapping to sin - versus a fully-optimized sin stat setup - is like 2-3% difference in total dps

[snow delta]

okkey thanks

[sand burrow]

So for sudden demise on a large pack it does a check every 10 seconds?

[sharp lichen]

give import code

for some talents

[ornate topaz]

what do you guys prefer here ? go the TT or AS? I really like how vigor and TT benefits Sanguine Blades but I am very spoiled from using Acrobatic Strikes all the time 🤔

[spice spire]

Pins big dog

[slim hamlet]

TT

[sharp lichen]

why u call me "dog"

[slim hamlet]

Maybe AS in M+ and maybe AS if there is a good fight for it

[spice spire]

I prefer whatever gives me more dam

[slim hamlet]

generally TT

[ornate topaz]

I go M+ only. Not playing raids

[slim hamlet]

big cat

[spice spire]

Because dogs are great. And I think everyone is great

[slim hamlet]

[spice spire]

[ornate topaz]

I guess Ill just play both and see which I prefer 🤷‍♂️

[slim hamlet]

I would tell you to not play AS from the start

The sooner you forget how it feels the better

[sharp lichen]

Wowhead really is that crap and I have to click everything on the device? There is no "copy talents" button?

[slim hamlet]

AS feels better but is just worse

[ornate topaz]

😁😁

[slim hamlet]

There is

[ornate topaz]

Yea 😕

[shrewd night]

You just have to look harder ig

[gusty mirage]

[ornate topaz]

I like how in dungeons like BH I can stand at the very edge of ragestorms and still hit

[shy pecan]

What is your name?

[spice spire]

There is a copy talents button!

[strange python]

Ezekial

[spice spire]

[shy pecan]

[spice spire]

Few know the lore

[shrewd night]

You are talking to the legendary MeowItBake

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

bro

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/george-gif-20118824

[gusty mirage]

some OCE guy got to renown 17

wtf

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

U can get to 20

[shrewd night]

[slim hamlet]

Just gotta be a huge fucking nerd

[gusty mirage]

can you though

without losing your sanity?

[slim hamlet]

no

[shy pecan]

[slim hamlet]

definitely not

[gusty mirage]

HE DID SEEDS FOR SIX HOURS STRAIGHT

[shrewd night]

Ye. You forever grind 20 rep at a time oxi

[slim hamlet]

Seeds are bugged

oof

[lethal heart]

[gusty mirage]

nah you just gotta make sure people don't grief it to 100

[cerulean nest]

just to have an augment rune you can purchase on AH currently lol

[slim hamlet]

what does that mean

[lethal heart]

real gamers logged on

and afk for 5 hours

[gusty mirage]

the progress bar on the seed goes up to 100

it has to be between 50-99

[slim hamlet]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

if it hits 100 it just gives no rep

because this game's good

I promise

[slim hamlet]

It gives nothing at 100

[gusty mirage]

[slim hamlet]

Not even the satchel

I got scammed

My big seeds got stolen

[gusty mirage]

the satchel doesn't have anything useful anyway

[slim hamlet]

Mounts

[gusty mirage]

flightstones & r1 crafting materials

[slim hamlet]

I want mounts

[gusty mirage]

people were flying around and griefing seeds last night

so I logged off

[spice spire]

Your reward at 100 is doing more seeds

[slim hamlet]

But WHY DOESNT IT JUST GIVE AT 100 TOO

[spice spire]

Cmon big dog

[gusty mirage]

because blizzard is good at coding

[royal lantern]

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[gusty mirage]

[slim hamlet]

You guys were supposed to beta test

[gusty mirage]

we did

[slim hamlet]

but chose to not log on

[gusty mirage]

fuck you

[slim hamlet]

"oh but it was delayed"

[gusty mirage]

I'm renown 9 already

[slim hamlet]

no excuses

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-despair-xqcdespair-voidge-troll-gif-24691555

[gusty mirage]

ez clap renown 13-14 on my main

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-happy-laughing-crying-i-cant-even-gif-24163733

[shy pecan]

Imagine logging on to WoW on patch day

[slim hamlet]

Werent you the guy to flame people for doing that

Nerd

[gusty mirage]

no?

I didn't kill 6 rares

nerd

[slim hamlet]

[gusty mirage]

I hope you never get another mount

[shy pecan]

Oxi never flames anyone

Never

[spice spire]

True

[gusty mirage]

fuckin rip bozo

[slim hamlet]

[spice spire]

I’ve never been flamed in my life

[slim hamlet]

I am only renown 6

o7

[gusty mirage]

iswtg I'll kiss you on the mouth

[slim hamlet]

dog?

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

i did

my dragon is invisible when i fly with him

[gusty mirage]

that's a feature bro

[shy pecan]

[slim hamlet]

Bugs doesn't exist

Just non-final features

[gusty mirage]

also I love the world tree's branches extending the entire zone

[shy pecan]

I logged on and then was like "I need to watch this video about correlation" and logged...

[gusty mirage]

I feel so immersed when I clip a branch and just dead stop

if we can go back to the DC loop for that happening

we can relive 10.0

[slim hamlet]

I feel so immersed not being able to see anything when being in 90% of the new zone

Pretty good

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's beautiful

all I see is low pixel leaves and branches

[slim hamlet]

Never had to zoom in this much

[gusty mirage]

they heard how much we liked the trees in spires of ascension

so they gave us an entire zone with the same feel

[slim hamlet]

smart

[royal lantern]

skill issue tbh

[gusty mirage]

I hope snd haunts you for the rest of your life

[royal lantern]

(but for real this time)

it allready does man

thats why it came back from the grave

[gusty mirage]

I still love you even if you hate my favorite spell

I just feel so immersed pressing it

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

like I feel immersed flying through the world tree branches

[slim hamlet]

💀

[strange python]

lol

yeah flying there can be a bit harsh huh

[royal lantern]

oxi

wanna know what time it is?

its "i came home from a patch day, lets hit the target dummy for 2hours until muscle memory kicks in" time

[slow echo]

What's sin simming at?

[gilded oasis]

12

[royal lantern]

blindside change is fucking with my brain hard

[ornate topaz]

shouldnt the IC be available for those 10 seconds with shadow dance activation as well?

[slim hamlet]

at least 2

[royal lantern]

i see the proc and automaticaly use my old ambush keybind

[slow echo]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oChVu9yb3zbCDnwCtEZ9Nh Is this correct

[vast loom]

No it's only during shadowdance

[ornate topaz]

ok

[slim hamlet]

no

There have been bugs and changes since that

[whole mason]

most advanced but outdated due to sim version change

[eternal heath]

Me doing open world content knowing damn well im not doing the rotation properly

[slow echo]

Is it the simulationcraft report then 230.5?

[whole mason]

I'll make one for you soon, let me change embelishments and things

[slow echo]

I love you

[slim hamlet]

its like 234k

[slow echo]

The PI's go wild though

2nd best PI target is crazy

[slim hamlet]

ye

[slow echo]

If bugs get fixed we'll get close to that?

[slim hamlet]

Everything besides first PI cast is bis for sin

[slow echo]

granted sporecloke nerf

[slim hamlet]

If u only got one PI I am guessing uhdk gets first and sin gets rest

if bugs are fixed it's more like the 245k one

[slow echo]

When's PI best for sin?

What are the bugs

[slim hamlet]

on every DM

2pc bug and a lethal dose bug

and now also a sudden demise bug, but doesn't matter for ST

[royal lantern]

god, i sound like a total maniac when learning a new rotation, was in a discord call and didnt thought about it

cus i sit there and say the spell names out loud

[shut owl]

lol

[gaunt sigil]

Pikaboo type beat

[royal lantern]

helps my small monke brain too memorize is better

[slow echo]

I faced pikaboo once in a 2v2

[ornate topaz]

do I get it right that Ambush has no place in my skillbar now with the hybrid build? MAYBE with Shadow Dance active on single target ?

[slim hamlet]

Actual asylum

[slow echo]

He killed me in less than 3 seconds

[slim hamlet]

u need it for shadow dance and subterfuge

[royal lantern]

you put ambush on the spot you have mutialte outside of stealth and thats it

[pulsar dirge]

You always keep 2 charges of shiv for KB right? so they way it lines up you never use it outside of KB?

[royal lantern]

yes

shiv 30sec charges, kb 1min, line up perfectly

[shut owl]

sending shivs instead of holding is a habit I still gotta break lol

[royal lantern]

call was still and suddenly im starting

GARROTE SLICE AMBUSH RUPTURE MUTILATE ENVENOM SHIV WAIT DID IT WRONG

and my friend asked if everything is ok

[strange python]

wonder how much dmg loss that is...cause that's gonna be a rough habit to break for me

[royal lantern]

you always played it like that with kb in DF

[shut owl]

yeah I didnt play a lotta KB 😛

[royal lantern]

like, thats how you did it at launch with KB builds aswell

[slim hamlet]

Wasnt shiv 25 sec cd at one point

[narrow sedge]

I dont find the new build for MM+ and for raid. Is that normal ?

[spice spire]

It’s in the guides that are pinned

[slim hamlet]

what do you mean

yo

no more shoe fan

[spice spire]

?

It was a cat

[shut owl]

the only time my KB simmed higher than dtb was on raz prog... and I had to go sub for add control cuz all my cleave-spec friends decided they wanted to single target only, adds be damned XD

[amber blaze]

Is Shiv-KB is doing the same result as KB-Shiv?

Except for the first hit

[slim hamlet]

Might aswell use it first

[amber blaze]

Yeah sure

[slim hamlet]

shiv is 8 sec = 16 with 2

and KB is 14

[royal lantern]

im hitting the dummy, wondering why my energy is so slow

[amber blaze]

Yeah it covers the KB entirely

[royal lantern]

cus i have no potions from talent swaps active

[amber blaze]

[royal lantern]

every patch

the same

every patch

i return too the full blown idiot mindset

[slim hamlet]

Leeching poison bug is also back

[royal lantern]

back?

[shut owl]

it never left

[royal lantern]

it never left lol

[flint tusk]

It never left 😂

[slim hamlet]

surely

it can't be that hard to fix

[flint tusk]

It’s a permanent fixture of the class at this point.

[solemn canyon]

multi dollar company

[slim hamlet]

Certainly more than 1 dollar company

[shut owl]

its impossible, and don't call me shirley

[flint tusk]

Naa they’re in the negative now that they spent all their money on two extra expansion logos

[solemn canyon]

unfortunate.

[slim hamlet]

[ornate topaz]

is shadow dance crucial for us now to have? I guess yea for the bleed AOE right ? -.-

[solemn canyon]

there's a non dance build but its less damage im not smart enough to know why tho

[strange python]

I think it's for the 10% dmg bonus mainly?

[unkempt meteor]

Snapshotting

[slow echo]

^

[amber blaze]

Cause Sin needs Stealth to be performant.

[slow echo]

OL needs stealth too, it's crucial

[spice spire]

Snapshotting your bleeds and KB? Kinda huge

[strange python]

not as much as outlaw

[ornate topaz]

but thats while stealthed right

[amber blaze]

And similar effects

[solemn canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-gif-25358104

[strange python]

yeah and dance gives the benefit of being stealthed

[royal lantern]

why does subterfuge not work on dmg dummys

cant use ambush after garrote

[amber blaze]

Who plays subterfuge

[royal lantern]

we??????????????????

[amber blaze]

🥱

I mean I know we use it

But for what purpose

Improve garrot does the job no?

[strange python]

to get off like 3 garrotes

[spiral salmon]

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[strange python]

oh and good point on the 3 sec

i didn't read that part of the tooltip

[spice surge]

Improved garrote does not give nightstalker, so no it does not

[night delta]

So um, I want to macro Shadowdance + Garrote, but it doesn't work probably because of my language setting (apostrophe in there i guess shuts it down)

[spice surge]

And also you cant ambush during improved garrote

[night delta]

is there a way to enter an apostrophe that doesn't break spell names in macros ?

[strange python]

I don't think that's an option - if anything i think you wanna macro shadowdance with kingsbane

[royal lantern]

i cant with subterfuge either rn

bruh

shit is broken

[strange python]

Have you tried enclosing them in quotes like "This Spell' Here"

[amber blaze]

Improve garrot why would you ambush in the first 3 second of your AoE bleeding tab targeting rotation

Maybe I’m missing something here help me out

[night delta]

don't we wanna do the garrote snapshot before entering KB ?

so as not to waste any mutilates

[spice surge]

Unmacro your bomb from your ambush

[royal lantern]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[spice surge]

Theres not always multiple mobs around

[royal lantern]

eleem

thats why you are green name

wait

i dont have bomb macro on ambush

or mutilate

[night delta]

doesn't work

[raven briar]

Am i blind or are the talents not changed to 10.2 yet

[strange python]

yeah not sure then, sorry

[raven briar]

in the discord

[royal lantern]

wait

[night delta]

Shadow dance being "Danse de l'ombre" makes me think the apostrophe is fucked

[royal lantern]

@spice surge it was bomb macro on GARROTE

bruh

i dont try to understand this game

[spice surge]

Yes using bomb during subterfuge scuffs it

For some reason

[strange python]

I tried googling it for you - but like a lot of the stuff comes back in another language so

[strange python]

Maybe this has some info for you: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/fr/wow/t/bug-macro-jeu-français/53073

[upbeat sable]

Guys, where can i see the best talents for Rbgs?

[normal mist]

There aren't any yet

Afaik

Pvp is a mystery yet

[night delta]

yeah so basically solution is get the item in book and MAJ+click

[raven briar]

Which M+ build would be the not best but funnest to play

AP looks interesting

[night delta]

seems the apostrophe from the keyboard is somewhat not the same character as the apostrophe in the spell's actual name

[shut owl]

AP is solid though

[strange python]

Well at least the next guy in 5 years that speaks french - and has the same problem - i will be able to help him immediately now.

[raven briar]

All 3 basically play the same right?

[night delta]

!kb

!kingsbane

[quiet sand]

In the m+ spec on a boss fight would you use CT or just skip it?

[night delta]

hmm, i guess no bot link to that kb weakura

[strange python]

You skip it now for single target because of the increased dmg on multiple

[dark token]

!wa

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[dark token]

It's in the LE's group

U can steal it

[quiet sand]

Tyty.

[icy iron]

isnt this still using the wrong ambush? Or is it fixed?

[flint tusk]

Nope it’s working as intended

[whole mason]

@slow echo
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/khhUkYvBeLBrVsSKE4pVzA
Used boots and patch.

[icy iron]

[slow echo]

❤️ ty

[vagrant hearth]

is the build with tea better on m+ or the one with acrobatic charces

feels weird without tea

[merry raven]

im still not clear on what the right or wrong ambush even means

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter

[glossy mesa]

literally all 3 rogue specs need shadownace to do damage,even outlaw which is a pirate.. class fantasy,its weird

[spice surge]

Old bug

[icy iron]

There was a bug with blindside giving us an old legion ambush instead of current DF one, and it did a lot less dmg.

[spice surge]

Aint no way the class fantasy of rogues is stealth related

[proven jasper]

[royal lantern]

recently way too common eleem L take

[opal helm]

does blindside still change your mutilate to blindside? just trying to reconfig my bars now

[merry raven]

yes

[opal helm]

i assume it just lights up no when it procs, god this is gonna be wier dto get used to

[viral moat]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[keen gulch]

!wa

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[prisma cypress]

what does “whispyr’s afenar edit” do

[royal lantern]

afenars wa package, but updated by whisp

aka things like snapshotting garrote/rupture included

[mint kindle]

Is it normal that I sim 129k with Assa and 140k with Sub on ST?

Or am I doing something wrong?

[prisma cypress]

by snapshotting, do you just mean nightstalker-empowered bleeds?

it’s hard to believe afenars wouldn’t have that to begin with

[final star]

afenars auras are terrible

it's not hard to believe

It's also quite annoying to track without a laod of custom code and I don't think he wants that effort

[glossy mesa]

are the talents in wowhead the highest simming ones?

[robust axle]

Do we have a talent build somewhere for current raid this week? Or is it just the same as the 10.2 one

[cerulean nest]

do we know anything about the Ashes "change" mentioned in the blue post?

[unreal coyote]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cerulean nest]

I assume we still go for signet if nothing happens immediately

[outer cairn]

Clearly not since you are typing

🙂

[golden plume]

wait, is there any reason to have ambush on your bars anymore? since mutilate just turns into it

[flint tusk]

out of stealth no, on stealth bar yes

[golden plume]

ye, and there is no reason to have mutilate on your stealth bars in ST right?

since you dont need to keep caustic spatter up

[low quartz]

can we do mythic 0 for gear? or nah

[proven jasper]

Its still s2 mythic dungeons

Soo. Yes?

[flint tusk]

Remember caustic can trigger from mutilate and ambush now.
So in all situations basically ambush>mutilate where possible.

[golden plume]

oh right, completely forgot that. so ambush on stealth bar and mutilate on non-stealth bar basically

[magic wolf]

so where do i find which poisons to use as assa

[golden plume]

those 4 if im not completely stupid

[robust axle]

Did someone have the empowered Garrote WA?

[timid haven]

Question guys. Are we supposed to macro trinkets with deathmark or kingsbane or pop trinks before we apply bleeds?

[robust axle]

!wa

[timid haven]

@balmy condor

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[outer cairn]

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=10 Amplifying Poison, Deadly Poison, Atrophic Poison, Crippling Poison

[magic wolf]

ty guys

[outer cairn]

although its not going past atrophic for some reason righ tnow

[timid haven]

Ty

[elder finch]

Do you think assa will be finally fine? In pvp and pve

[cerulean nest]

anyone have the racial simc file?

[median hound]

hey guys, I'm a little confused with how Sudden Demise works. Does it have an internal timer or does it need some ticks before executing? Sometimes it seems to not kill targets that are low but they instead tick to death and SD damage is incredibly low in those cases. Other times it procs properly and goes huge numbers

[winged quail]

Is Raidbots updated to sim for Assassination? Keep running in to an error when trying to sim, but only for this spec

[slate crown]

Not at my desk but if you want the empowered auras as standalone, and not as a pack, you can find them on my profile (in the WA command you used, LE Pack, then click on my name as the author on the wago page to get my full list)

Oh or

[slate crown]

#assassination message

[hoary remnant]

!wa

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[flint tusk]

got a sim link?

[glacial glacier]

I just need a subterfudge weak aura lol

[night delta]

in ST Dance build, do we play around Sanguine or not really ?

[cerulean nest]

if my RL is asking for the "power of the new tierset bonuses" what's the most relevant number to send him?

[leaden timber]

Tell him if he wants to find out, prio the tier set on you

[winged quail]

getting this error on Latest, Weekly and Nightly https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vZJdRAmK4AcUquDnfkCbih

[chilly viper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[winged quail]

wait it says fightstyle none im gonna run again and double check

[chilly viper]

check the fuu sheet it has the data

[dark token]

Tell him wait till tomorrow

New sheet with all specs will be out

[dark token]

As in all specs in game

[winged quail]

nah checked again still same error

it looks like it's trying to get me to use marked for death idk why

[cerulean nest]

from who?

[spark scaffold]

what's bugged with the 2pc and lethal dose?

[runic hinge]

2 set falls off after reaching max stacks

Lethal dose isn’t counting some stuff and some other shit is counting but not benefitting but I don’t remember all of it

[spark scaffold]

we talking current tier set?

nvm

im dumb

hopefully fixed until next week

[robust axle]

Do we also refresh rupture inside KB/dance windows when Deathmark aint up?

[cerulean nest]

yes

[dark token]

Maybe Nick of time drops this reset

[subtle tundra]

whats that crawg

is that an outlaw sim

[spark scaffold]

this is outlaw simms

[subtle tundra]

yea go away

[spark scaffold]

no way assa is 155k currently

[subtle tundra]

mods, ban this guy

[spark scaffold]

how much are you simming?

[subtle tundra]

idk? i havent simmed since week 6 of the patch

previous patch

[spark scaffold]

curious if my sim is just low for some reason or assa is generally simming shambles rn

[lethal heart]

just be overgeared rat like @marble hemlock

[hexed basin]

Should we be upgrading any gear we getting right now or saving for m+?

Like this 450 piece that dropped

[subtle tundra]

there's 450 loot?!?!

[spark scaffold]

i am overgeared, only missing cloak

[hexed basin]

Think it just dropped 4/8 upgrades at 450

[subtle tundra]

nvm you cant convince me to play this week even with gear

[past forum]

you're not gonna power level renown to get perma augment rune a week earlier?

[dark token]

Woops sorry I dropped my outlaw sim in here

I will hide my 25k higher sim so sin folks don't get sad this week

[subtle tundra]

youre just mad cause we play the based spec

[dark token]

I will play the based spec

[winged quail]

I only managed to hit 9 1/2 renown on my alt today, gotta wait to play my main until tomorrow probably

[dark token]

In 2 weeks

[past forum]

i'm too old to even see the outlaw sims, much less play it

[subtle tundra]

playing a spec cause it does more dmg when there's no competitive content is cringe as fuck

[crude hornet]

Can someone explain this to me? How did sudden demise do damage if the target is still alive? It reads as if it does fatal damage but it clearly does not. How would this 68k damage number even be calculated then?

[past forum]

maybe the mob was wearing a cheat death trinket

i see it's casting "augment armaments", maybe it's specced augmentation and has that cheat death

[crude hornet]

It's gotta be bugged, very weird

[amber blaze]

ok so again

Why I hit 50k envenom

And only 11k splatter

[marble hemlock]

[amber blaze]

And y envenom was with CS up

talent is fucked

[crude hornet]

does blizz know about these bugs?

[spice surge]

Spatter damage doesnt benefit from stuff like shiv

[amber blaze]

maths still dont add up

Lets say 11k is real, so I did hit a 25 ish k envenom

shiv doesn't make envenom go from 25 to 50k

[spice surge]

Theres something else it doesnt benefit from to prevent double dipping stuff

Im sure whispyr or other people have better knowledge of what it is

Zoldyck and maybe amp poison? idk im not a sin expert i just glance through stuff

[amber blaze]

Just saying, you can all make a bug report about sudden demise and CS

[clever sapphire]

might have been a deplete after first boss, but i beat a 3.4k fire mage by a mile

feelin good

[abstract jacinth]

Teach me da wey

[clever sapphire]

i wish i knew what i did

[subtle tundra]

you said after first boss, so you played like 1/3d of the dungeon?

[fathom nest]

qiuck question: does dance trigger subterfuge at its end?

[clever sapphire]

yap

but 3.4k fire mage is 3.4k fire mage

[subtle tundra]

💀

[clever sapphire]

and im a 2.7k andy

[subtle tundra]

arent people like over 4k this season

3.4k is nothing

[clever sapphire]

i realised when he wasnt dispelling the affix

xD

[royal lantern]

nah

like, thats exagerating

3,4k is still pretty high

but not near too the "normal" 3,4k cus aug fucked the game HARD

[clever sapphire]

apparently not high enough to play the affix

[royal lantern]

if it is a FotM class, you can take ~800 score away by default

[subtle tundra]

well, the cutoff this season was 3.6k

so quite a bit below

[royal lantern]

varas

you know that almost nobody is going for high m+ score right

thats like the age old "its casual players, they got CE 2months after release" discussion

[subtle tundra]

well then why are we judging people by rating

[clever sapphire]

ye i usually do that with the fotm specs, but only did it up to 3.2k, i assumed 3.4k would be high enough for a few braincells

[royal lantern]

99% of fire mages only know COMBUSTJUMPJUMPFLAMESTRIKEFLAMTESTRIKEPYROBLASTJUMPJUMPPOGDMGHIGH

[crude hornet]

made a post about the sudden demise bug https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/sudden-demise-rogue-talent-not-working-properly/1705455

[raven briar]

So for aoe/m+ if caustic spatter is such a big part of the damage. Is FoK stil worth spamming instead of mutilate?

If so, how can i see which one i need to use in a certain scenario

[winged quail]

you only need to mut once in a while to refresh spatter

[slate crown]

Caustic lasts 10 seconds

[abstract jacinth]

I think it’s just a mut every 8-10 seconds to keep it running

[subtle tundra]

you only mut to keep splatter up

[raven briar]

ohhh that makes so much sense

sorry for the dumb question xD

[slate crown]

all g mate

[rose adder]

I know the guide says to craft either boots or a weapon, which one are you guys going with?

[raven briar]

Another question regarding my aoe rotation. I play the AP build that doesn't use poison bomb. After my initial opener what do i spend my combo points on? Spam crimson temp?

it seems to be doing the higher damage in my couple dummy tests

[subtle tundra]

you never spam crimson temp

ever

[abstract jacinth]

Dude I have like 10 of these daily. But usually whispyrs YouTube videos or the icy veins guide (also written by whispyr) can answer most if not all of your questions

[raven briar]

Ye that's why i asked, It hurts to send it again after just applying it

[abstract jacinth]

Crimson Tempest changed, it only applies a dot now, no damage comes from it on hit

[subtle tundra]

well it doesnt hurt at all actually

it does no damage

[raven briar]

xDD

Good to know

[abstract jacinth]

Why no poison bomb?

[raven briar]

mm didn't know he wrote the icy veins guide

[raven briar]

doesn't have it in the talent buil dfor some reason

[subtle tundra]

icy veins is by seli?

wowhead is whispyr

[raven briar]

i knew it!

[limber lion]

Yes

[cerulean nest]

just confirming that gameplay wise before 4set, everythings the same except we can slam outside of CDs and not think of pooling as much

?

[abstract jacinth]

Oh I can’t read, don’t mind me, working from phone

[cerulean nest]

or at least not think of chaining envs

[limber lion]

Sure

[cerulean nest]

looking for any nuances if there are any lol

Im genuinely asking

[raven briar]

This is the build both on wowhead and icyveins running this now

No poison bomb :/

[subtle tundra]

that looks like a full send aoe build

[thorn fjord]

I’m still getting used to the NS rupture reapplication and small things here and there… the front loaded dmg is fucking sick tho atm

Can’t wait for tier lol

[raven briar]

Feels like it aswell xD

I'm mainly wanting to play M+ with the weekly raid in between

The 10.1.7 build did perfect for me

[flint tusk]

Yeh you’ve picked the one out of three build that is super aoe

[raven briar]

ah xD

[cerulean nest]

yeah definitely need a little muscle memory to kick in. but yeah I'm moreso asking about the next 1-2 weeks before we have 4set if there are any gameplay nuances in raid I should think about

[raven briar]

What would be the general m+ build then?

[spice spire]

Seli writes icy veins

[subtle tundra]

youre so late man

slow dog!

[spice spire]

Bro

I’m working

I’m sorry mister zerg

[subtle tundra]

Im jobless

[glossy mesa]

i feel like im not doing something right with assa, cant tell,im at 420ilvl no sets, i did a ulduaman and i did 74k overall,is that any good?

playing the hybrid build

[raven briar]

Would the ultilitarian build be beter or hybrid?

Dropping tea feels weird

[clever sapphire]

hybrid

[glossy mesa]

for me hybrid sims better

[spice spire]

[clever sapphire]

atleast i would suggest hybrid, thats the best of both worlds

[spice spire]

That’s a lot of variable thrown into one statement

[raven briar]

yeye tyty

[clever sapphire]

well encrypt the message pls

[spice spire]

No

[slow needle]

Read the description of each build if you're on wowhead.

And decide based off that.

[woeful meteor]

#1 Boots Fan unoccupied !?

[slow needle]

No it isn't.

[woeful meteor]

quick thinking gj

[slow needle]

Ngl, I actually had the idea of changing my server name to just "Boots Fan".

Then saw Quake do it as well.

[spice spire]

[slow needle]

It was a big "Whelp, guess I get to be the runner up" moment.

[spice spire]

I haven’t seen boots pics @desert inlet your cat is too cute

[thorn fjord]

Think it’s similar to the old pre nerf KB build

[spice spire]

5 days without the goat

[thorn fjord]

Holding shiv outside of CDs… throwing in SD now and having it sync with KB every time

[cerulean nest]

isnt that what the actual KB build does too?

[thorn fjord]

Pretty much

We’re wanting to have the Env dot up too before sending CDs from what I’m seeing

Env dm shiv sd kb gar Env then build to rupture and go

Type stuff

[cerulean nest]

I'm playing it almost identically to how I plan to play it when we get 4set and pooling/env chains start to matter more. which seems right to me, but Mr. Cev said "sure" to that which tells me theres likely some small nuance to it that I'm now curious about lol

[slow needle]

I've been sleeping poorly and had generally bad health and headaches.

Now I know why.

[thorn fjord]

It’s a little weird compared to what we were doing before but it should feel good after some time

[slow needle]

Its withdrawal setting in.

[gleaming geyser]

!whispyr

[eternal heath]

Even though I know my dps/rotation is ass, damage feels nice

[spice spire]

TRUE and SAME

[spice spire]

Not done yet, once done that’s the correct command !fuu is currently up

[eternal heath]

Oh did it get taken down again? Thought I saw whispyr update it last night

[spice spire]

Oh I didn’t think it was up yet

[thorn fjord]

I’m just taking it one day at a time lolol

[cerulean nest]

bet lol

[distant helm]

out of curiosity, was are you guys simming for on ST 5mins?

im 448 and simming roughly around 135k, surely something is not right

[thorn fjord]

Sims are still kinda janky

But that’s about right

I’m simming at 138k at 448

[prisma cypress]

we stink!

[marble hemlock]

the dtb m+ build

[velvet siren]

I mean, if you care about only damage just play BM hunter. Easier by far with a lot higher dmg range.

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-1807502725802114204

[distant helm]

Oh ok, i was shocked when i saw my outlaw sim compared to assa

[young flume]

Hello, did they remove the assassination energy regen passives with bleeds/poisons w/e it was?

[strange tiger]

venom wounds still exist

[young flume]

Or did they move it to the talent tree? dont remember it being a skill point

ah

ty

weird that passives that you take dont show up in the skillbook

[rich rapids]

Hi I'm really new on assa I tried the rework on PTR and I loved it but is there a reason why we sim so low in dungeons ?

For me the spec seemed good. Am I wrong ? lul

[proven jasper]

[void mesa]

I dont think we sim low in dungeons? What do you consider low?

[spice spire]

Dungeon slice looks at cleave light aoe and st.
It’s not a perfect 1/1.
Sims are important for gauging some things but it’s definitely not the Bible for m+

[distant helm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[rich rapids]

I was checking discord and I saw that

[split cipher]

I wouldn't limit your vision of a class to early iterations of sims after a rework

[rich rapids]

Yeah I know (I think) but there is a big big difference for exemple between those 2 specs

[split cipher]

if you have fun playing it in aoe do it

[proven jasper]

ya maybe not a good idea to compare to outlaw either lol

literally if u like playing it play it

that ez

[spice spire]

Based answer mister mcyellington

But also just kinda play it.
And compare, you might be amazed

[void mesa]

Outlaw has huh, issues, and iirc (not sure if they fixed yet or not) our 2p is straight up not working anymore last I heard

[spice spire]

The wild thing is that there’s 60000000 variables in dungeons

[rich rapids]

yeah it's the first time I switch to a "reworked" class I like the spec but unfortunately I mostly play in PUG so it's a bit hard to play as a "low spec" 🫠

my guild hate M+ so well

[void mesa]

Were not a "low spec" by any metric anymore

[split cipher]

get good and prove em wrong

[void mesa]

Outlaw is just busted

[raven briar]

What are the crafted pieces in 10.2?

[split cipher]

I love the "wait sin can do damage" comments after keys

[glossy mesa]

Is there a hybrid build with blindside? I'm really loving that talent

[void mesa]

Thorn + Patch

[proven jasper]

same as 10.1

[raven briar]

didn't they get nerfed tho?

[void mesa]

No

[raven briar]

I have patch on my helm as in 10.1 is that still the go to?

[rich rapids]

yeah I see. Thanks for the precisions guys !

[raven briar]

oh really 😮

[void mesa]

Thats an option but risks running into problems if you drop a tier helm

[raven briar]

mm i had it on my bracers but might have sold them xD

[void mesa]

[raven briar]

When i get one of those new sparks i'll make them on my bracers i guess

[proven jasper]

you could try and see if blizzard will let you recover it

[raven briar]

Maybe but they were 424 i believe anyway

got 447 regular bracers now

[full spear]

Never thought I would say this, but i love shadowdance as assa

[raven briar]

wait thorn boots not the slimy expulsion?

[proven jasper]

yes

thorn

[void mesa]

Thorns > Slimy, haste is good so we dont want to lose it

[raven briar]

I found them in my bank

[lime raptor]

quick question my dreamwardens rep is locked I did few world quest and got 15 rep does it count?

[void mesa]

Probably better off using your 447 bracers and upgrading later

[raven briar]

yee exactly that. Just happy i still have them xD

[rich yew]

Would you ever do multiple ruptures within a dance window when pulling bigger groups?

[limber lion]

Sure

Get those Garry's and Ruppy's up during it

[restive inlet]

So uh, I might be dumb here. This macro should be good no? Only thing is visually it seems like it casts kingsbane before dance (I have CD timers with numbers, and KB comes off cd again a hair before dance. anybody have any other tech, or do I just resign myself to pressing them separately?

side note, loving those 450k kingsbane crits:) we bursting!

[glossy mesa]

What's the best way to keep bleeds up on multiple targets?

[restive inlet]

having a good Plater profile so you can see when they run out

[glossy mesa]

Do I always have to apply rupture on 4 or 5p?

And do I apply on every mob individually when I don't have Shadow dance and vanisg

[subtle talon]

so i tried the hybrid build

[restive inlet]

1st q: Not necessarily, depends on if the mobs will live for the entire duration of the bleed.
2nd: yes

[subtle talon]

and it felt really energy hungry in st

[strange python]

Yeah I mean to me - that's like a cleave raid fight - with a good bit of cleave...or an M+ for sure.

[subtle talon]

even with tea, if i were to change it for tyr week which talent would be best to help me out

i was thinking dumping iron wire for venom rush

since mobs are getting deleted either way in tyr weeks

[strange python]

Yeah I spent like 4 total mins so far in that hybrid build, just trying it on dummies. So not enough time for me to feel one way or another on ST. It felt like it had a lot of energy when i kept my bleeds up on stuff though.

[limber lion]

No, Iron Wire stays for every m+ build or you're inting your team.

[proven jasper]

^^^^^^^^

[jovial verge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

People really underestimate the value of just silencing casters

[limber lion]

Nothing bad about being energy starved at times, but even then that shouldn't reaaally happen that much with current numbers

[spice spire]

That’s wild

That utility is worth so much more 99% of the time

[subtle talon]

its not like i underestimate the value of iron wire

i might overused the tea tho and i got punished

i'll give it another try by being more careful with the usage

[limber lion]

Tea isn't a magic button that saves you from starvation

[spice spire]

🫡

[limber lion]

Just gives you 2 extra muti casts

[shy pecan]

What if that caster was Captain Flowers?

[subtle talon]

thanks for the advices nonetheless

[spice spire]

I’d never silence my goat

[velvet robin]

Could be worth running more haste if youre starved

[proven jasper]

no

[spice spire]

Oh god

[strange python]

On every spec i've ever pushed high on in m+ - i was never honestly happy with their ST - in Tyran. It always feels worse than your "real" ST build. (I know you know this, just pointing it out).

[limber lion]

Also, the Hybrid build takes literally every energy passive on the tree except VR

[proven jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[limber lion]

The optimal ST build won't be that mich faster

[strange python]

Actually that might be a lie - I think I pushed pretty high as outlaw a few times and their ST always felt the same.

[raven merlin]

luxthos wa not updated yet? have no spatter and IC dont work in WA

[balmy condor]

never doing that

[spice spire]

Oh

[balmy condor]

I refuse

[spice spire]

I respect

I missed lore sorry king

[warm void]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limber lion]

Kotowaru

[midnight mist]

!whispyr

[bronze pike]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/838113932551258146/1170814135160803338/giphy-1.gif?ex=655a68a2&is=6547f3a2&hm=31757e1658b52cfec4a55a873b363b0148ada952aac3f35c6e1cf5b0d9e4b8fa&

[midnight mist]

[shy pecan]

LOL

Must save this

[spice spire]

You off da goop king?

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Nice was wondering why you were popping off with content

[thorn fjord]

Based

Anyone been going ham on the rep grind yet?

How bad is it

[keen spruce]

[thorn fjord]

I’m starting tomorrow 😅

[drifting light]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[glossy mesa]

is it wise to just bind vanish and deathmark into one macro?

[slim hamlet]

no

that would be very much the opposite of wise

[glossy mesa]

but we should opt to ues vanish and deathmark together mostly?

[slim hamlet]

no

[thorn fjord]

No

You’re using vanish to extend imp gar and NS rupture

[slim hamlet]

you wanna use vanish last 3 sec of kb

but u wanna have dm up before kb

[thorn fjord]

I keep missing that 3s window with the vanish -> Env

[slim hamlet]

issue of skill

[thorn fjord]

Game is hard

[slate crown]

This may help https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9 It's in my pack

[thorn fjord]

Ohhh

Ty

[slim hamlet]

cheating

[strange python]

Hi, what is the best talent build for assasination Mythic+ and general pve?

[slim hamlet]

pins

[thorn fjord]

Toxic

[slim hamlet]

Always

[quartz kraken]

Why is Wafting Devotion recommended when it buffs haste which is listed as 2nd worst stat on wowhead?

[balmy condor]

because having something be the 2nd worst stat doesn't mean it's not a good stat

wafting devotion is a large amount of haste

double wafting ends up being 2300 haste on proc, double sophic is only around 1800 agility

that's a big difference in just raw stat amount

and if haste is good enough as a stat to overcome that difference

that's when you see wafting show up as a better enchant

[nimble tartan]

guys what do the 3 little green dots represent in the weakauras

[balmy condor]

on LE's?

[nimble tartan]

yaa

[balmy condor]

those are tea charges

[nimble tartan]

ohh ok ok

im gonna go through all the was today find one i vibe with

[oblique wasp]

guys, I am little at loss with our CDs, can you please help me how to line them correctly? I am going as per guides but I can't manage ot fit in Vanish to keep its CD with Deathmark 😦

[slate crown]

Love how I've become known as LE now

[thorn fjord]

Oh snap didn’t even notice we swapped to wafting

[balmy condor]

you vanish the last 3 seconds of kingsbane for master assassin

it's a 2 min cooldown like deathmark

[oblique wasp]

ok

[balmy condor]

it should line up like that every time

[slate crown]

But yes, those are tea charges, and the bar under is the cd on tea

[nimble tartan]

im not even gonna look at afenars bro im goin str8 to da whispyr edit

[strange python]

Is ulitirarian the best tree u can go rn?

[balmy condor]

you chose to put that in the name :P

[quartz kraken]

ty for the input

[strange python]

if i read the guide correctly, when i have 5-6 cp and envenom buff is up and i can use it, i am able to pool a bit energy with waiting till envenom buff is on 1 sec yes ?

[slate crown]

Was shorter to type in the weakaura name than [Ensconced] or [Lisonna] and I didn't want [L] or [E] because that's too abbreviated. It is what it is

[balmy condor]

there's explanations for why you would want to use one or the other, utilitarian is just hybrid with some extra points like acro instead for the quality of life and ease of gameplay

[balmy condor]

I don't know an Ensconced or a Lisonna sorry

just le

[thorn fjord]

Not running acro last night felt so bad.. but just gotta get used to it

[balmy condor]

[slate crown]

[strange python]

So hybrid is still good and the benefit is that it's easier?

[balmy condor]

hybrid is more damage

utilitarian should be easier

[strange python]

Im new to wow i've been staring at these sheets for 1 houzr now and im soo confused

[balmy condor]

you drop tea so it's one less button to worry about

[limber lion]

Oh, I'm sorry Ensconced | Lisonna | Istarian

[royal lantern]

allright guys, i wanna ask a question

[thorn fjord]

That’s a mouthful

[royal lantern]

how long until they nerf aoe blind+blackjack combo?

[balmy condor]

probably won't

[dusty trellis]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[thorn fjord]

If we see nerfs before OL I’m gonna cry

[limber lion]

Still a long CD on blind

[royal lantern]

idk man, 30% dr for 6 sec on a 1min cd is kinda bonkers

[limber lion]

Dh just chaos nova all the time

[royal lantern]

yes, trash only

but its still a frking 30% dr lol

[glossy mesa]

are there any dummies around that dont drop combat when you use vanish ? cause it resets details

[royal lantern]

set details to dynamic

[warm basin]

caustic spatter is kinda poop in m+?

[thorn fjord]

@balmy condor you gonna be streaming prog this tier?

[balmy condor]

all of the builds are perfectly reasonable to play, they're just there to provide some choices and decisions in how you want to go about things. If you just want damage in dungeons, you can pick hybrid. If you want more aoe and less single target, you go arterial. If you don't mind dropping some damage to get benefits like acrobatic strikes, you can go utilitarian. But there's no "wrong" answer

[balmy condor]

skill issue

[warm basin]

stgill spammy mc dot spam for sudden demise xD

[balmy condor]

yes

[strange python]

Ty

[abstract flax]

So, best embellishment is Toxic Thorn Footwraps?

[balmy condor]

yes

[royal lantern]

whisp, maybe really really stupid question incomming, but its serious

after the opener, when kingsbane is over, you just keep chaining envenoms until energy is over/the chain breaks cus you could not do a new envenom when re-applying rupture/garrote (or like, in general after kb windows)

right?

[glossy mesa]

how can i do that?

[balmy condor]

yes

[royal lantern]

i know, stupid question, but was not sure if you "drop" the chain from kingsbane and pool, or just keep going until you cant go on anymore

even if its 1 of those "why would you not do that?" things

[nimble tartan]

whats the chain

[limber lion]

100% uptime on Env

[thorn fjord]

The script option menu in details

[limber lion]

Once gg, pool to big number, start again

Poggies

[thorn fjord]

You’ll see an option for dynamic

[strange python]

I cant seem to find what are the best posion options and in what order should u apply them since 2 of them have a lesser effect.

[limber lion]

Amp

Deadly

[limber lion]

And no, that's not how DTB works

[nimble tartan]

omg i had ancient trinkets on my sin loadout

[thorn fjord]

Still have torch equipped? 🤣

[limber lion]

You apply all 4 poisons and all of them will have reduced effect

[strange python]

Ohh

[limber lion]

But 4 reduced is still better than 2

[nimble tartan]

lmfao fr

i gotta hit the lab and do target dunmy slam

[strange python]

What other 2 options do u go for?

besides amp and deadly

[strange tiger]

do we just go ahead and craft his week?

[thorn fjord]

Atro and crip works

[balmy condor]

you can, but then you'd just need to farm crests next week to upgrade it anyway

[limber lion]

Crippling and either Atrophic or Numbing

[strange python]

Ty

[nimble tartan]

anyone here use one of these !wa weakaura groups and also atrocity ui? wanna know how to make both work together, replacing atrocitys with one of these groups

[thorn fjord]

Whispyrs afenar edit is pretty solid

[nimble tartan]

yeah gonna go and pick on but usually aui is so odd with disabling wa grouos cause it changes the nameplates and stuff

[thorn fjord]

I haven’t updated mine just yet

Prob do that soon

[deep wadi]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[thorn fjord]

Hoping @gaunt moat comes up with a WA for NS/subterfuge similar to his sepsis wa

[spice spire]

I worry for notter every day

Unrelated to wow

[thorn fjord]

[half dawn]

how does Assa feel like in M+ with the rework now? I've not tried it yet

[limber lion]

Demon

[limber lion]

Great

[thorn fjord]

I’m so lost

[rapid mirage]

I just tried a 21 FH, you blow packs up, but im trying to figure out the ST issue in keys, when youre out of tea, it hurts

[strange python]

Surely more tuning inc and it's not outlaw tier

[waxen dome]

What build you running? 😄

[rapid mirage]

Arterial + Demise, no PB or DTB

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/vtuber-cope-stay-mad-hololive-cope-hololive-gif-25306348

[royal lantern]

pins have guides

[thorn fjord]

You fell off made me giggle lol

[waxen dome]

Thanks Tryan 🙂 I was however inquiring what build Drawshua was running 😄 - The guides are great, but also great to getting to know what people enjoy running

[waxen dome]

Cheers 🙂

[limber lion]

Yeah dropping DTB is kinda not great for ST

[slim hamlet]

But Cev

[graceful umbra]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slim hamlet]

Don't you know

[rapid mirage]

I figured, but man is it fun seeing packs blow up lmao

[slim hamlet]

"Assassination might not be good in m+, but at least they got the boss dmg"

[limber lion]

It sure is, just gotta tank the painful ST then

[slim hamlet]

Everyone knows this

[limber lion]

Typical KiR/ER enjoyer.

[slim hamlet]

The classic comment was even there on the latest wowhead notes

wild it still exists

[nimble tartan]

i cant believe we get pi

life is good

[spice spire]

You eating good omr?

[nimble tartan]

yaa

we at the same table king

[chilly viper]

man I wanna play all 3 specs lol

[nimble tartan]

pass da hummus

[chilly viper]

hard to decide

[limber lion]

Easiesr decision of my life

[chilly viper]

you going outlaw

[azure surge]

Forgive the stupid question, but since the play is to like "stay above 50% energy as much as you can." How do you manage that and keep 100% uptime on envenom in ST? IIt's easy as fuck in AOE, but in ST I find myself struggling when it comes to pure ST/boss fights in M+, especially when I gotta refresh rupture or garrote and taht eats energy.

[chilly viper]

being a PI whore could be fun

[dark token]

ok

i was baited by outlaw sim

assa is way better

im back

fuck outlaw

[shy pecan]

[chilly viper]

don't get tempted by the FOTM

[devout ingot]

i wish indiscriminate carnage was more than 3 mobs

[runic hinge]

It’s ten seconds tho

[slim hamlet]

[storm forum]

it's been 9 mobs in my experience

[limber lion]

You won't have 100% uptime

[restive inlet]

Guild wheeled me out for some cheeky reclear after me not raiding properly for like half a year. Man, the new assassination feels great to play! Loving the dance and juicy KB crits.

[limber lion]

Once you run out of energy, you just pool to max and start the chain anew

[azure surge]

What's the average uptime on Envenom you want on a boss fight? I appreciate it, I was under the impression that you wanted to stay above 50% energy and pool 4+ cp for envenoms only

Just kinda wait, maintain the bleeds and then as you said, restart by getting capped energy again?

[limber lion]

That's correct, but you cannot physically do that because of the reasons you mentioned earlier

[sweet dawn]

Do we just not use shiv except for KB?

[azure surge]

Yea, I was sitting there panicking like "what the fuck am I doing wrong? I literally do not have the energy for my bleeds and maintaining envenom" lol.

[limber lion]

Yeah you notice that oh shit no more energy so Envenom drop, you then just pool to energy cap and then start chaining Env agaim

Average uptime on sims is around 94-95%

Assuming perfect play

[azure surge]

I was only getting like 65-70% uptime on Enveom on boss in a 16 FH

[storm forum]

yeah hold for KB, unless there's some weird hold CDs thing going on

[sweet dawn]

oke

ty

[limber lion]

What build

[azure surge]

The Hybrid Build

[limber lion]

Yeah should probs be a bit higher but it's fine

[azure surge]

Maybe my crit is too low to trigger as much procs from Dashing?

I'm at 34% crit.

[limber lion]

Just do not spam Envenoms outside of cds and always pool between finishers and you're chilling

[limber lion]

Nah

[half dawn]

wish i could try some of assa

but my server is DOGSHIT and down

gg

[azure surge]

I appreciate the help.

[vocal seal]

playing sin with shadow dance, brings it back to ass imo

[half dawn]

hows it feel to play with SD + KB?

I'm guessing we're holding KB to line up with DM now?

or we want to line them up*

[storm forum]

KB naturally lines up with DM

1 min and 2 min cds

[half dawn]

do you macro that shit?

wait what am i saying

FUCK my outlaw brain

[runic hinge]

They are both on the gcd

[half dawn]

has been exploded

yeah

ignroe me

ignore me

[storm forum]

I have SD on 5 normal bar and then KB on 5 on my stealth bar

so i can double tap it quick to SD+KB

[half dawn]

ah you KB after SD

ok

wait

[slate crown]

yes

[half dawn]

waht am i saying

[slate crown]

v important

[half dawn]

actually delete me

[storm forum]

KB's DoT snapshots the SD/stealth damage amp

[half dawn]

i see

[storm forum]

so we wanna use as many DoTs as possible in our SD without dropping env buff

[half dawn]

outlaw didnt brain damage me fully i have 2 cells working pog

[storm forum]

well outlaw brain about to do irrecoverable damage this tier

isnt it like nearly 100% uptime on CDR?

err

AR

[half dawn]

its v high

esp since stealth windows are insane

and you dont lose it

kekw

[storm forum]

my outlaw friend doubled my APM last night

cause im sitting there pooling

[half dawn]

trying to reprogram your brain to play the new outlaw rotation

[storm forum]

and he's trying to keep AR up forever

[half dawn]

is the real challenge though

[midnight mist]

log apm is not real apm