Too late in season for me to spend 70k to replace shoulders
#assassination
drifting cloud
I have it on wep, its the reason my 2nd sark dagger has been in the bags for 2months
light warren
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sbqJNANEESngNCQQAgLfVu is there anything super wrong with my gear so far?
I know trinket is shit
gaunt moat
Time for you to do one +16
gaunt moat
Pray for dice
gaunt moat
It's the best you can get from m+ vault.
light warren
oh ive cleared heroic raid aswell
gaunt moat
447 dice would probably be better than heroic trinkets, but needs to sim.
light warren
Wow
yea dice is better at 447 then suffering 447 even
i need to go farm 441 of that at least
hushed fable
Call is just gamble trinket. It's great when it procs when you want it to and have decent uptime on it. But it varies quite a lot. So statsticks like Harlan's Dice or OCE are just consistent.
slate crown
It can go on anything. I have it on a ring on one character, dagger on another.
light warren
i just looked and its 58k so i aitn even worred about ever getting it anymore lmao
slate crown
Just get in a time machine and go JC at the start of the xpac like I did brrrrrrrrrr
light warren
Whats the standard sim for aoe or m+
balmy condor
dungeonslice
winged veldt
thank god sark dead. Way behind most of you but damn my head hurts lol
gilded oasis
Congrats
broken depot
your opinion, its ok to learn the sin now since in a month It will be reworked?
balmy condor
yes
slate crown
While it is getting reworked I think you will still learn lessons that apply to the future if you learn it now
broken depot
Thx
light warren
Hello, I have a key i just ran and i felt like I did pretty well. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/v28aPdQhxGtR7YHz#fight=last I would love advice on how i can improve though
its 18 Freehold
willow kite
Are there any rotational QoL macros one can use? ie abilites/cds that are always used together in practical scenarios so there are no downsides to macroing them
Setting up bars on a newly dinged rogue, so wanna get any of those out of the way directly
light warren
I dont think rogue is button bloated enough to even need combining multiple spells
does using envenom on rupture target do something?
granite grail
Why would using envenom on a rupture target do something
deft flicker
does using envenom on rupture target do something?
Other than what envenom does on its own - no
light warren
Why would using envenom on a rupture target do something
Idk, i was just using wowanalyzer and it says that its bad to use evenvom with no rupture on target
i didnt know why
willow kite
priority
light warren
Yea, but in aoe scenario with no IC then its just gonna hapen
I just didnt know if there was an interaction i was unaware about
willow kite
wowanalyzer probably can't account for those type of circumstances, I'm guessing it just applies ST APL logic
light warren
Yea was just asking to make sure
deft flicker
Idk, i was just using wowanalyzer and it says that its bad to use evenvom with n...
This just means you need to keep Rupture up on main targets (after ones from IC fall off you reapply them manually)
light warren
in aoe do i target swap to reapply garrote+ rupture or do i jsut spam envenom and keep it up on prio target
granite grail
Idk, i was just using wowanalyzer and it says that its bad to use evenvom with n...
That's because rupture just does more damage than envenom. So a full duration rupture is better to cast if a target would survive the full duration
deft flicker
in aoe do i target swap to reapply garrote+ rupture or do i jsut spam envenom an...
You keep enough garrotes and ruptures up to have energy for spamming fan of knives. Then it’s either crimson tempest or envenom depending on situation/mood
You can apply more ruptures if targets will live long enough
jade abyss
Fok feels terrible idk :/
light warren
I like it better then shurikan
jade abyss
On shuriken i know i get full cps with enough targets but fok feels random or im dumb i guess im dumb 
But ic with garrote blue cp rupture and ct feels awesome
granite grail
in aoe do i target swap to reapply garrote+ rupture or do i jsut spam envenom an...
whats your second embellishment?
light warren
patch
scarlet orbit
on m sark do we how does our cds work out? do i need to hold some of them
blazing jewel
you hold second sepsis
and send vanish after the opening sepsis garrotes are in pandemic
edgy basalt
Hi here. Im learning rogue assa. in st we dont do double garrot on opener and after vanish?
And in faq, i see the opener is : garrot, slice, mutilate, rupture etc. But we press mutilate until atless 5cp before rupture?
With bones spikes.not sepsis
willow kite
Do we ever use ambush if not picking blindside?
void mesa
No
balmy condor
Hi here. Im learning rogue assa. in st we dont do double garrot on opener and af...
Double garrote was only ever for exsanguinate
No exsanguinate, no double
edgy basalt
Double garrote was only ever for exsanguinate
Ok thx !
And mutilate until 5cp ore more before first rupture ?
balmy condor
5cp
All finishers are used at max-1 cp
So since we play deeper, with a max of 6
All finishers should be used at 5 or 6
edgy basalt
Ok thx
royal lantern
on m sark do we how does our cds work out? do i need to hold some of them
sec
looking for the text and will DM it
scarlet orbit
thanks so much
quiet oar
I mean its basically hold second Sepsis in p1 and p2 and use vanish in p1 and p2 to Prolong imp garrote or spreadin to mythic add
winged veldt
Yea he sent me the same text and it worked beautifully! Thanks again for that help @royal lantern dumb lizard is dead ;). So stoked albeit late lol.
gaunt moat
@balmy condor Are you around? I've got a DoT tick-rate question
blazing jewel
What bug did you find 
limber lion
Whats up
gaunt moat
Not a bug, just thinking how I want to calculate things.
There was a discussion of KB's tickrate is hastened or not.
And my question is how many times does the dot ticks during kingsbane
afaik it's 7 times.
and also, tickrate doesn't happen every exact 1 second, correct?
limber lion
It is hastened, normally around 8 ticks without externals/lust
8 ticks as in 8 instances of damage
gaunt moat
8 includes initial application?
limber lion
Probs yeh
And no ticks don't happen every 1s
Bleed ticks heavily reduce the time between ticks depending on haste
KB on the other hand
Is much slower
14s but it ticks like 7-9 times
gaunt moat
That's intresting, i didn't know there's a distinction of how much haste applies to different DoTs
limber lion
Wouldn't be surprised if the bot suggests a "haste breakpoint" for us with Kingsbane, assuming it's hasted
blazing jewel
I thought we tested and kb wasn’t hasted
gaunt moat
So, I remember a conversation few days ago, where whispyr said KB isn't hasted.
let me look it up.
limber lion
Honestly, I don't wanna spread misinformation in case it's not the case considering the latest kb is a bit different
Yeh
Could be that it's not
blazing jewel
I had 7 ticks with 0 and 15% haste
blazing jewel
And there wasn’t a hasted tick at the end or anything
blazing jewel
It would make sense that it’s not because that would scale out of control with lust on opener
blazing jewel
Hasted auto attacks + haste effecting the dot
gaunt moat
yeah scana was talking with him
limber lion
KB is kinda technically hasted
Because faster autos means more damage
But yeh the tick rate itself
Guess not
gaunt moat
So why am i even asking
I want to calculate how much of KB is shiv covering
I could either calculate it by time (shiv was up for 5s out of 14s) or test each tick.
And i think each tick is more precise, since by time, shiv could be removed right before a tick.
limber lion
Also without access to the hidden stacks we can't tell if there's an ICD on the applications and whether that gets lower with haste or not
limber lion
So why am i even asking
I want to calculate how much of KB is shiv covering
I co...
Just do 2 KB casts, one without haste and one with giga haste
Then compare the times between the ticks in the logs
If they happen at the same times every time (approx once every 2s)
Then it's very easy to calculate
If they tick at 2 4 6 8 10 12 14, then you could Shiv at 1.5s and cover everyrhing from 2s up to 9.5s
And lose out on 3 ticks
If they tick faster or more randomly, then it's a bit different
gaunt moat
I thought about something a bit different.
every time KB ticks and shiv is applied, add 1 to "shiv"
then sum amount of ticks and calculate percentage of shiv out of that.
That would work regardless if it's possible to get a variable amount of ticks.
The other way of thought, is temporal
So you would start a stopwatch when KB and shiv are active together. and stop/start it if shiv is removed/applied.
then you'd take that time and calculate its percentage out of KB's total time.
But by using the time method, we run into the issue of tickrate and precision.
cobalt bramble
!whispyr
prisma monolithBOT
Whispyr's Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
slate crown
I would do time based, all of the events will be given to you, you have basic In/Out events for Shiv, Envenom, and kingsbane, which will always be sent even if the target dies. just use Kingsbane as your primary tracked In/Out, then log the In/Out timestamps for Shiv and Envenom as entries in a table. Once Kingsbane fades, you'll have all In/Out events (clamp the In events to kingsbane's application, and the out events to its removal), so you should be able to just linearly add the timestamps for each and then divide by KB's total time.
You could wait until KB fades to calculate it, which means you can't display the %'s mid-KB, or you could update the display and calculate it every KB tick, which may be inconsistently updated, but it won't be inaccurate data
(Also keeping in mind Shiv and KB are target based, so you'd have to be sure to store guids so you only count shiv applications to the same guid as KB, similar to what I did in the imp garrote WA)
gaunt moat
I'm currently working on setting it up to track GUID
I thought it would be simple by using the WA_GetUnitDebuff() function
But unfortunately you can only pass your current target to that function, so if you change targets, it won't work.
And I understand the time based proposal, but I believe a time % of the total is just less accurate than making sure shiv was actually affecting KB
rare jackal
is the bug where your toxic boots dont do full damage still a thing?
slate crown
I'm not sure how that's less accurate, if Shiv's aura is applied to the target, it's affecting KB, no?
And yeah, Most functions like that only accept unit tokens, not guids, you could do like nameplate/focus stuff too but I think it's more reliable to just track guids
gaunt moat
I'm thinking of the edge case where shiv drops off right before a tick, and you reapply it right after.
you'd get a high coverage %, but you've actually missed a tick
slate crown
I guess I would only care about that case if it's something that, as a player, you could prepare for and play against. Like, can you as a player predict when the ticks are, and is it skill expression to ensure you hit every tick? If you can't actually determine this, then the best you can do is Shiv uptime as time based. If you can predict it, and you would consider it something a skilled player would do, then sure, tracking if the buff is up on every tick, and grading your % by # of ticks would be better
This is different than envenom though, envenom should be tracked as time based because that measure should only be about uptime.
slate crown
But should be straightforward either way, you should still track shiv uptime so that you can check it when KB damage events happen
gaunt moat
I'm basically just checking it's applied or not every KB tick.
(also have to consider that it was applied before using KB)
gaunt moat
Actually. there's something i didn't think through.
If kingsbane amount of ticks is variable, then I can't really show a growing amount of coverage, because i don't know know the percentage of what
But I'm pretttyyyyy sure it can only ever do 7 ticks.
Looking at stealthi's log on Zaqualli assault, even with bloodlust, it was just 7 ticks
slate crown
It would seem weird to me if the effect was a variable amount of ticks
gaunt moat
Also another log where someone had both PI and blodlust was just 7 ticks. safe to say it's not hasted.
violet karma
are weakauras able to detect the difference between an empowered garrote and a regular?
gilded oasis
sure it is possible
Luxthos pack has improved garrote tracking in it.
Tihis one is also good if you dont want a whole pack: https://wago.io/zxhRObQLf
frozen iris
are weakauras able to detect the difference between an empowered garrote and a r...
What do you mean? Do you mean that your debuff icon will glow or change if it’s improved garrote? If so then yes
gilded oasis
has a lot of glows and conditions but can be changed or just left as is
sweet dawn
https://wago.io/KXErsBsPL I use this one personally
light warren
i use this. shows slice and dice, shiv, garrote, rupture, energy and combo points
frozen iris
Is it time to post our cursed UI
hushed fable
And Kyrian's phial
gilded oasis
v important
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> Are you around? I've got a DoT tick-rate question
Kb not hasted, 14 second dot 7 ticks
gilded oasis
ya but imagine if it was
balmy condor
Then it would scale exponentially with haste
gilded oasis
ok ty for imagining
gaunt moat
But imagine.
yeah, i went over logs just to make sure as well, thanks
runic hinge
I’m gonna tell my raid it is so I can get PI
austere fulcrum
https://wago.io/KXErsBsPL I use this one personally
this does not track imp gar from stealth
when u do the opener i mean
austere fulcrum
idk maybe it is not working well with one of my Wa's
if it works for u, must be me problem 🙂
gilded oasis
do you have the right talents? just stealth and garrote a dummy, see if it works. perhaps you are overwriting on accident during your opener?
gusty mirage
@drifting cloud why you not raiding
drifting cloud
its the 2nd run
balmy condor
Yeh that’s the one I yoinked into my pack
indigo epoch
You have your own pack? I gotta check that out
sly wren
Iirc it's Afenar but edited
I use Hijack
But his doesn't have imp Garrote so I have to import one
And replace
Makes updating the WA kinda annoying
But oh well
spice surge
Oh boi i got revved up, i thought you tagged zac at first
gilded oasis
No u 
sly wren
My name is so close I kept thinking it was me for a sec
chilly raft
Is there a place which has the sim for all trinkets a rogue can use including like idols and stuff? The pinned one don't link out to anything anymore
clever sapphire
Is there a place which has the sim for all trinkets a rogue can use including li...
any specific reason you need it?
chilly raft
Just hit 70 and trying to work out if it's worth crafting a trinket with a spark or just using that on another piece of gear
idle inlet
Just hit 70 and trying to work out if it's worth crafting a trinket with a spark...
Crafted trinkets poopy
clever sapphire
i mean if you dont have anything else left to craft go for it
but trinket would be the last thing i craft
drifting cloud
Is there a place which has the sim for all trinkets a rogue can use including li...
runic hinge
You have like 9 sparks now or something so if you can’t get anything else to drop it’s probably not terrible
chilly raft
I've got 9 sparks so was planning to do daggers, embellishes, engineer wrist + helm rings and neck
leaves me with 1 left over
chilly raft
https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/trinkets/castingpatchwerk
Thank you!
chilly raft
Thanks for the extra info
gaunt moat
Oh, browse channels is nice. finally i can have the ravenholdt i want.
gusty mirage
Oh boi i got revved up, i thought you tagged zac at first
stop trying to bully my adopted son
light warren
I just farmed dice for 3 days doing 17 keys. i wanted to upgrade my key from 14 to 17 so i could run my own keys.... dice dropped in the 14 freehold....
gaunt moat
Kingsbane damage bonus is just additive stacking right?
like, 20% than 40%.. 60%, 80% etc..
balmy condor
yes
strange python
is there a bug on sarkareth where you still die after collecting the big 3 circles? like that it doesnt move you out ?
balmy condor
only if you're like
really late to the third
it'll reset the fight if the tank dies upstairs while everyone is down as well
like during second intermission
but nothing personal-death
keen spruce
if you grab the first 2 right away. the buff that lets go up can expire iirc
like if you want too long in between 2nd and 3rd
spice surge
Ye that buff is only 15s
light warren
how do i use corrupting rage potion?
balmy condor
you right click it
runic hinge
Yes
balmy condor
it's legit just a right click and play the game
balmy condor
you can't play around taking damage any more than "don't take damage"
balmy condor
for some reason i thought u swap phials at times when u use it
what
like
swapping mid fight?
balmy condor
balmy condor
you should start, they're very good
light warren
so if i take 400% of my health i lose crit buff?
light warren
whats avg uptime would u say
balmy condor
it's like an 85% uptime
gaunt moat
Using globals for changing phials yup
light warren
man I cant even get into 16/17 keys as assassination
balmy condor
whats your io
runic hinge
16/17 is tbh one of the hardest keys to get into because it’s mostly higher geared/io people doing crest farm
balmy condor
99% of the time when you don't get invited, it's not the spec
light warren
2450
runic hinge
Like I can put my 16 up and get it filled with 440+ people in seconds
buoyant pilot
Is there anything another class can do to force me out of stealth? I randomly went out of stealth pre pull multiple times this raid, hands of keyboards in the end. Literally just randomy got forced out of stealth
light warren
Like I can put my 16 up and get it filled with 440+ people in seconds
im 442
balmy condor
I posted a 17 and within seconds had mages and evokers and boomkins and shit that were 447 with 3200 score
you're not competing with that
light warren
well how do u guys get into keys
balmy condor
keep applying or play with guildies
balmy condor
Is there anything another class can do to force me out of stealth? I randomly we...
was your crit flask damaging you
buoyant pilot
was your crit flask damaging you
Nah thought I popped the wrong flask but have vers flask on
balmy condor
no clue then
gilded oasis
well how do u guys get into keys
list your own key also an option
buoyant pilot
Kk, will look into it. I mean my stealth button is literally mouse click 😄 Unless my mouse is fucked
buoyant pilot
no clue then
Found the cause 😄
buoyant pilot
https://www.wowhead.com/item=191501/sagacious-incense apparently inspires me to get the fuck out of stealth
Yeah me neither 😄
gaunt moat
20 inspiration pog
slim hamlet
Can't remember the last time I pugged where it wasn't my own key
Why does anyone ever do that
gaunt moat
Does deadly poison not have any applied / refresh event? 
I can see it applied at the start of combat, and then nothing.
slate crown
Dose
gaunt moat
"apply debuff stack" is dose in that table.
doesn't work for deadly, also it doesn't have stacks
slate crown
Ah right
balmy condor
deadly's weird in the combat log because of how the refresh technically works with doing instant damage I think
slate crown
So it should be applied as a debuff as usual at the start as you saw
slate crown
Are the instant damage events separate from the dot? Like deadly applies the debuff which ticks
but it also has an instant part which is the proc. SPELL_DAMAGE and SPELL_DAMAGE_PERIODIC are two separate events in the combat log
Weird that there's no refresh event
but, any SPELL_DAMAGE events that are not periodic should represent a proc, I think?
gaunt moat
in terms of damage events, i'm seeing two IDs
2818 and 113780
but i'm prrety sure i tested both for damage already.
I'll double check
gaunt moat
oh yeah, so I teseted 113780 before, with everything. except SPELL_DAMAGE
but that one works
Cause damage event is a refresh event 
yup
balmy condor
very quirky
balmy condor
ye
slate crown
I mean by the general logic of the combat log
balmy condor
2818 should have a debuff refresh event
but instead of that 113780 triggers
and that's just damage hit
so there's no debuff event
that's my theory at least idk
it still refreshes the timer on 2818
so idk why its not showing
slate crown
It "makes sense" that that's the case but it really should have a REFRESH event
balmy condor
I guess the combatlog doesn't pick that up
slate crown
yeah
balmy condor
combatlog checks for the debuff somewhere in that chain where the debuff doesn't get refreshed cause it's triggering the instant damage
and then it doesn't re-check
so the deadly timer getting refreshed just gets missed
gaunt moat
Also the bug(?) where poison knife applies poison twice doesn't happen with deadly poison
from what i'm seeing
gaunt moat
but sometimes 200%
i'll show you
Threw one PK on a target dummy
it applied two stacks of amo poison
slate crown
My thought from when you showed me earlier is that it isn't a bug, it's "Poison knife applies poison" but also "Poison knife is a hit from your abilities that can proc poisons" so it has a chance (like, your standard poison change) to apply a stack
gaunt moat
one happens as you throw, the other as it hits
slate crown
like, the application baked into the spell isn't counted as a proc, it's just part of the spell's effects, meaning it can also proc a second time
I haven't tested the proc rate tho, I'd be interested to know
gaunt moat
Hmm, that would make sense technically
balmy condor
Threw **one** PK on a target dummy
gaunt moat
but is that intended?
slate crown
balmy condor
definitely weird
gaunt moat
It's still worse than mutilate for applying poisons though, so it's not a big issues if you can stay in range
light warren
Idk if this is rogue thing or just bug or something idk. When i played monk my dps and log dps were maybe 5k difference. now as rogue details is showing i did 131 overall but log is showing 111 which is 20k lower. No aug btw
anyone know if this is an issue i can fix?
gaunt moat
like, the application baked into the spell isn't counted as a proc, it's just pa...
The tooltip on poisons just says "each strike has a chance"
Is throwing a knife from ranged considered a strike? 
slate crown
Idk if this is rogue thing or just bug or something idk. When i played monk my d...
downtime in dungeon pretty sure, log for a key is start -> end of key, details doesn't include time out of combat, logs do. If you want to be sure, you should look at your damage breakdown by spell in Details vs your log, and verify the damage is the same between them
If they are, then the issue is simply the time denominator being used
light warren
so its just that if i am doing keys and it takes longer my log will just have lowerr dmg?
longer outside combat*
slate crown
From my understanding yes but I'm not 100% sure
Like if details says your total # of damage is the same as warcraft logs, it's just the dps that is different, then you can be sure that logs didn't like, miss any damage events from you
balmy condor
active time versus effective time
logs will count the time in a dungeon while you were out of combat
as 0 damage
details cuts that out
cause details only cares about the damage you did during combat
light warren
ok so thats why monk would be lower difference. as tank i would be in combat more often vs rogue i sometimes wait in stealth for 4 seconds to get IC.
fallen forge
any of u cuties got a plater profile that shows a different color when the target has garrote and rupture?
shy pecan
Here's a convo we had about it over the weekend. Link there: #assassination message
fallen forge
oh shit ty
rain ocean
yo is speculation for 10.2 gonna be that PI is more valuable so that we stay over 100 energy 24/7? Tryin to convince priests in the guild that its worth XD
slim hamlet
yo is speculation for 10.2 gonna be that PI is more valuable so that we stay ove...
Why would u want PI to be a thing for u
Just gonna be competing with 5 other specs and if u don't get it well unlucky get rdy to parse grey
hushed fable
Logs with PI doesn't count towards rankings etc. so w/e.
balmy condor
yo is speculation for 10.2 gonna be that PI is more valuable so that we stay ove...
speculation is uh, big no
light warren
YOO FIRST MYTHIC BOSS EVER AND I WAS TOP DPS
light warren
bro my dps was without combat potion and no corrupting rage lol
rain ocean
speculation is uh, big no
bet ty, love the recent ptr videos btw ❤️
balmy condor
thank you :)
light warren
single target or aoe for Assault?
sweet dawn
AOE
balmy condor
you are an assination rogue in pre-10.2
so
you can choose to do mediocre aoe
or just slam boss
balmy condor
slim hamlet
What does aoe mean?
balmy condor
I don't even play crimson tempest on assault anymore
slim hamlet
Thought that word was banned in here
balmy condor
just a waste of time
light warren
is 122k good for 442 you think?
balmy condor
for what fight
balmy condor
yeah thats okay
scenic nacelle
Could any help me get my Sepsis WA to show its buff window visible?
slate crown
can you rephrase? not sure what you mean by buff window visible
scenic nacelle
so after Sepsis deals its damage and it allows you to press a stealth ability, you have 7 or so seconds to hit garrote. I'd like for my sepsis WA to show me how many seconds I have left to activate an ability
slate crown
Yup, so using Sepsis gives you a buff, called Sepsis, which lasts until you use a stealth ability (and also after the dot fades, same thing) or until it expires
So, if you currently have a cooldown WA tracking sepsis, create a new trigger on it which is a buff on player looking for sepsis
change trigger activation to "any", then make sure dynamic information says "first active trigger"
That will make it find the sepsis buff on you and count it down instead of the cooldown when you have the buff. You can then make it visually different / glow / whatever else you prefer in conditions
scenic nacelle
Thank you! Much appreciated
slate crown
Also make sure the new trigger is moved up to being the first trigger
When weakauras says "First active" it means "First in this list" not "First chronologically"
np
scenic nacelle
Ok ❤️
light warren
idk if u guys were talking about this before but is poisoned knife something we use at all?
gusty mirage
you can to keep poisons up if you're off the boss for whatever reason
but the uses are kinda far and few in between
light warren
what about in m+?
balmy condor
Think it’s probably less than that
balmy condor
All the times you’d knife he’d either not be in range for it or he’s 99% reduced dam
So 10 feels a bit optimistic
gusty mirage
only reason I PK on sark is if I didn't clear all my anima charged CPs
slim hamlet
probably
balmy condor
You do that with an ER regardless
gusty mirage
but you can ER during the last glimmer
and have the anima charged CPs up at the start of p2
slim hamlet
Yea just checked
I can use it right at the end
I guess I just never did because I didn't think of the downtime being short enough
I am kinda afk playing in sark prison tbh
slim hamlet
Man
I legit haven't played end game content this patch until like 3 weeks ago
Let me be
balmy condor
It is indeed the wrong chat, we aren’t a trade server :)
distant carbon
It is indeed the wrong chat, we aren’t a trade server :)
thank u, i apologize again
balmy condor
Np
fleet turtle
guys, do you une garrote just after sepsis at the pull ? i dont know when to use it at the opener :/
balmy condor
guys, do you une garrote just after sepsis at the pull ? i dont know when to use...
Blue gar is the sepsis
drifting cedar
Guys I sim 112k in single target as assa, but 115k as sub, i went crit mast, i thought I would sim more as assa as it is better in st and its prefered stats are crit mast
Does anyone maybe knows why
fleet turtle
oh ok ! thx for the fast answer
light warren
whoever made this is awesome. So far best layout of any rotation helper ive seen
clever sapphire
Does anyone maybe knows why
better trinkets for sub
send the sim, cant say much without seeing anything
light warren
I see actually a lot of subs running crit mastery now
drifting cedar
I see actually a lot of subs running crit mastery now
Its good with dark brew build
drifting cedar
send the sim, cant say much without seeing anything
Cant do at the moment because I am at work but will do tonight! Thanks for the answer
fleet turtle
so you use and pandemic pour the second garrot and you wait until the end for vanish garrot?
clever sapphire
Cant do at the moment because I am at work but will do tonight! Thanks for the a...
ye just ping me when you send them, not the biggest sim reviewer but im interested to see how you sim 3k more
clever sapphire
so you use and pandemic pour the second garrot and you wait until the end for va...
vanish garrote comes at your 2m deathmark
you try to always delay sepsis garrote so you extend the empowered garrote to its full duration
fleet turtle
yes but for the first vanish ?
clever sapphire
your first vanish is at 2m
you dont vanish until your second dm
this way you will use sepsis around 1:35 (this is your second cast sepsis not the first), with the garrote from it you will still have emp garrote up on the dm, and use vanish at 2:10 or so to keep the emp garrote running
fleet turtle
oh ok i understand. can i send a warcraftlog for yesterday night on rashok MM i want to improve
clever sapphire
oh im horrible at log reviews, you can try to send one in and see if someone looks at it
you can also put your log into wowanalyzer, its pretty well made for assa
fleet turtle
yeah i have done that and my usage of sepsis is bad
so i ask here
i'm french so sorry for my english
clever sapphire
i dont see a problem with your english, seen far worse, yours is easy to understand
sepsis is pretty much you use it on opener, and always wait till last second and than you use garrote
this way you have pretty long emp garrote uptime
your second sepsis is insta garrote so you have emp garrote up, and the second part should be cast at the last possible second, that way you will have an emp garrote still up when you cast your second dm
after that its just rince and repeat, minmax emp garrote with sepsis
balmy condor
whoever made this is awesome. So far best layout of any rotation helper ive seen
The graphics from @verbal mantle, I just tell him the order they need to appear in 
fleet turtle
your second sepsis is insta garrote so you have emp garrote up, and the second p...
so just do the open like the picture and use garrot juste after the sepsis and wait until the end for use another garrot to keep the empower ? and dont use vanish at the openser so
clever sapphire
do opener exactly as in the picture, the blue garrote is your first sepsis cast, after that sepsis gives you another 10 seconds to use a stealth finisher, that one you want to cast just before the timer runs out
no vanish on opener correct
there are some weakauras out there to track sepsis, thatway you know when you have a sepsis cast and for how long you can use it
i would get one, its gonna make your life easier
fleet turtle
yeah i have on wa for the sepsis yesterday ( keep in the channel)
My opener is bad so ?
clever sapphire
you never really used your sepsis cast so that kind of wasted garrote uptime which is pretty big dmg during DM, you also went "gar -> snd -> mut -> rupture"
It should be either "gar -> snd -> mut till 5 points -> rupture" or "gar -> snd -> er -> rupture"
but biggest problem i would point out is not using sepsis garrote
blazing jewel
Also slamming through all teas 1:20 into the fight
Would try to fully maximize the value out of those
clever sapphire
ye i didnt look that far xd
fleet turtle
so i spamm to much tea
yeah at the opener i dont max my cp until rup it's an error i will fix it
clever sapphire
short answer would be (for the most gains): Look at your sepsis usage and dont spam tea too much
those 2 things will be your biggest gains already
fleet turtle
i was sub and put assa for rashok so i keep training but thx for the answer i appreciate
clever sapphire
why did they make you play assa for rashok anyways?
its a ST boss, if you play sub better they will benefit more from you playing sub, unless it was your decision
fleet turtle
need to improve assa seems to be good on the ptr so i train and my damage is not so bad i think on assa
but i dont have log in sub on rashok
clever sapphire
ah i was just asking, usually when a guild decides for you to swap specs its a bad decision made from people with no idea
clever sapphire
thats all that matters, good luck on rashok prog
fleet turtle
and another question
on sim, hast eseems to be good in assa ?
thx the down it's for tomorrow
clever sapphire
on sim, hast eseems to be good in assa ?
haste is better on assa than it is on outlaw/sub
fleet turtle
150k damage with you'r tips ^^
clever sapphire
but saying its good, eeeeh i wouldnt go that far
you usually want some haste ye, even a sim is gonna tell you that
fleet turtle
cuz i have chromatic essence haste buff and dunno if it's better than my actual trinket
clever sapphire
i think there is a simc input to sim all the essence buffs, but bacon/bomb is usually the go to trinket
clever sapphire
comes down to boss kill time, if you dont miss a cast its good. Otherwise i would cast beacon after rupture and after that on cooldown
you would have to adjust your macro so you dont use bomb on garrote
(i personally dislike putting trinkets on abilities i use first thing out of stealth, because if im not in range and missclick i will pull, happened before)
fleet turtle
i dont use macro for my trinket i should ?
clever sapphire
oh thought you macrod it to garrote, its not needed, im just lazy and macro bomb to almost all my buttons xD
but in that case use beacon right after rupture during opener, "gar->snd->mut to 5-> rupture->beacon->rest of opener"
fleet turtle
for the moment i use bomb juste after garrot on the opener and use beacon on cd
clever sapphire
i do have 2, but bomb is soooooo annoying to use a keybind for (because my keybinds are shit for trinkets like bomb)
fleet turtle
and 2 keybind differents
clever sapphire
for the moment i use bomb juste after garrot on the opener and use beacon on cd
if you dont miss a beacon cast thatway than thats also fine
i dont know rashok kill times so no idea
verbal mantle
The graphics from <@193393699319840769>, I just tell him the order they need to ...
I know every sin openers by heart (I dont)
balmy condor
I know every sin openers by heart (I dont)
Professional assa player
clever sapphire
btw is there anything specific cooldown related i should know on mythic echo? Guild i joined just started progging it, so probably not holding cooldowns
balmy condor
You playing sepsis?
clever sapphire
ya
balmy condor
Your cooldowns basically end up being p1, then you have something for every add, and then p3
clever sapphire
so nothing too special, aight thx
balmy condor
On prog it’s usually a hold angle going into p2 and p3
So like opener, sepsis 1:30, then hold
clever sapphire
ye i was unsure about dm, we were hitting 63-65% hp when he should phase with like 6 people dead
balmy condor
Then boss+add p2 with sepsis, second add vanish+dm, sepsis on third add
And then start of p3 you should have dm up
Think that’s how the timing goes
clever sapphire
and then spam crimson tempest to pad on adds 
(not taking CT just a joke, dont kill me)
balmy condor
clever sapphire
well lets see if people will manage their bomb placements
we playing with the macro that assigns your spot and sometimes someone with no bomb presses it and bam everyone blows up
balmy condor
Yeah hardest part of the boss is being able to pull your finger out of your ass long enough to read the weakaura and walk to your assigned number
clever sapphire
well lets see if my weakaura usage is good enough for me to pass trial 
(probably is, even if im not blasting dps atleast im blasting mechanics)
slim hamlet
Yeah hardest part of the boss is being able to pull your finger out of your ass ...
Casual not being able to play one handed in 2023
ngl
random oasis
hey, sorry, quick question but i guess it doesn't have a really easy answer: I'm looking at a new character to play in 10.2
Rogue looks coll and especially Sin. Now, how hard would you say rogue is to pick up? I'm used to play ranged (Spriest, balance and evoker) and my only exp as melee is with paladin and dh which are very forgiving
slim hamlet
It has quite a lot of buttons and debuffs to track, but once you learn the specs basics, it doesn't take long to get good at it and be able to cruise, since it isn't heavily reactive like outlaw for example
It does/will have some stuff like pooling which is specific to assassination tho
clever sapphire
assa and pooling? is that a thing in ptr damn
random oasis
that's good to hear. I'm definetly not really interested in pushing too high (my guild usually tops out at heroic and first few mythic bosses) and +20s
I'm familiar with dot spec having played them all to some extent: I'll give it a try. Hopefully sudden demise will be tuned to be a relevant talent.
clever sapphire
just remember that assa dotting is not as easy as boomie/spriest
but its not hard to get used to
glossy imp
that's good to hear. I'm definetly not really interested in pushing too high (my...
I think sudden demise will only be relevant in lower keys as a way to recoup dmg loss to mobs not lasting full bleed drs. Something we def needed.
royal lantern
bro
the 10% bleed dmg is the biggest point tbh
the kill effect is really just "you dont "waste" some dot dmg on enemys" and thats it
gaunt moat
Hey everyone!
With upcoming 10.2 and the return of 
to be a viable talent choice, I worked on a WA to help track how well you're using KB and to show its total damage.
It might not be perfect yet, this is just the first iteration, and I worked really hard on it, but I'd love to get suggestions and requests on how to change or improve it.
If you don't like something, or you think it's redundant let me know as well!
So give it a try 🙂
Features
- Total damage done by Kingsbane
- Shiv uptime coverage
- Envenom uptime coverage
- Amount of poison stacks bonus damage (mostly "for fun" feature, can be disabled in Custom Options")
HUGE THANKS to @slate crown for helping and being patient teaching me. awesome person!
slim hamlet
Yooo
gaunt moat
It should be possible to achieve. But it's not a simple change, so if we want that, I'll have to give another custom option
slim hamlet
We needed this in our KB minigame
gaunt moat
That's what sparked the idea to make this hah
hardy dagger
Hey everyone!
With upcoming 10.2 and the return of <:kingsbane:10509678569526436...
What a beauty!
clever sapphire
i need this as the kb picture
does it work with current kb also or ptr only? time to test my kb dmg in current patch
gaunt moat
only tested on live, but should work with both.
clever sapphire
well if it works live it works on ptr
other way around
eh doesnt matter
looks pog
who doesnt love minmaxing dps
now i can feck up a pull on purpose when i see small kb number 
@gaunt moat this is the second WA that i put in my personal discord server where i store all the important stuff i find
(from you)
flint tusk
Notter holy crap dude.
That sounds awesome
Save digging through logs and gives instant feedback plus some dopamine for doing it right 😅
I’ll have a look later tonight
gaunt moat
Test it first to see that it even works 
kindred panther
its awesome 🙂
gaunt moat
Thank you 
slate crown
gaunt moat
can i do it permanent? to always show last KB?
What if i gave you to option to type in how many sceonds you want it to last, would that work for you?
oblique frost
Whats currently better between Bomb Dispenser and Beacon ? 😮
limber lion
Bomb Dispenser
gilded oasis
i need this as the kb picture
I second this
tranquil flame
There are two different openers ? Opener on wowhead is different from icyveins
balmy condor
What’s different about it
tranquil flame
light warren
would you guys take 447 teir gloves or 441 OCE, Rn i have 441 dispenser and 437 dice
slate crown
Do you have any OCE?
light warren
no
slate crown
I would take OCE, tier gloves can be made with any Myth track gloves from vault or raid, there are many of them
But OCE can only come from the raid vault slots or actually doing the raid, and in the raid it's a highly contested trinket
leaden timber
Hi, im thinking of going back to Rogue from UHDK. What is the general consensus of assassination come 10.2? Ive heard the spec is not on a good place right now
vestal wren
a lot of good changes
tuning for 10.2 is not done yet, so you will need to be patient
we atm only have assumptions
and outlaw is currently, stronger tuned than the other two
gusty mirage
Hi, im thinking of going back to Rogue from UHDK. What is the general consensus...
Not sure where you heard it's not in a good place, because it's performing really well. It's actually not even that far behind the PI specs in raid
leaden timber
Thanks for clarifying that. And thanks for correcting the misinformation
slim hamlet
How is the icyveins guide not updated since exsang bug
somber sparrow
How is the icyveins guide not updated since exsang bug
I think on iceveins you have to actively select what talents you chose, so in that picture it looks like someone clicked that they're talented into exsang so it's giving that info. I could be wrong
spice spire
Do u even exist
slim hamlet
Sorry I am not allowed to do mischievous acts
light warren
do we have a build for overworld?
spice spire
strange python
gaunt moat
I don't wanna shame anyone but uh..@slate crown
spice spire
?
slate crown
do we have a build for overworld?
Left as an exercise to the reader to create. Typically best to start with M+ builds and just play in the open world and be thinking about what you want to see changed, then make it so
AND I MEANT THIS
gaunt moat
No, he's obviously a cat with ticks
edgy basalt
hi here, i follow the opener in faq. but, after the opêner, where i use the first vanish for improved garrot ? so vanish and deathmark arent syncro
in st with sepsis
spice surge
in st with sepsis
edgy basalt
i dont understand where i do the first vanish
runic hinge
i dont understand where i do the first vanish
at 2 mins with your second DM
edgy basalt
oh ok we save vanish until 2mn for dm
gusty mirage
How is the icyveins guide not updated since exsang bug
?
it was literally updated 2 weeks ago
marble hemlock
Ah I see what he's referring to ig
balmy condor
Ah I see what he's referring to ig
you see what he's referring to instagram?
slate crown
In-geom?
marble hemlock
you see what he's referring to instagram?
yes exactly
nah i just never added the sepsis opener
fixed that now
slim hamlet
http://puu.sh/JQowp/21e10eb11e.png
aintnoway
marble hemlock
path of diablo?
limber lion
Perandus the homie
vestal wren
the good diablo game
titans quest?
balmy condor
3.2 was a wild ride
marble hemlock
bloodlines mapmod... i miss it
balmy condor
titans quest?
isn't that like a giga old mobile game
balmy condor
I see
vestal wren
i think whispyr is 
slate crown
I never tried d4
marble hemlock
titanquest devs made grimdawn
balmy condor
nah I just don't know the steeped arpg history
marble hemlock
i think whispyr is <:bait:1007793185315115069>
nah hes just a zoomer
slate crown
Just sticking with D3 having fun with new season, then stopping after a few weeks
idle inlet
Is it just me or are the new trinkets kinda lame?
marble hemlock
definitely one of the great og aRPGs
sacred/titanquest/diablo2 were all pretty goated
dungeon siege too
siege of avalon
although was more of an rpg than aRPG
vestal wren
i think there was nox too
and Devine Divinity that i think started the Divinity series.
personally didn't like sacred as much, story telling/progression was a bit boring
fallen forge
do we just not get restealths this week in m+
prisma monolithBOT
Affixes: Fortified, Volcanic, Spiteful
fallen forge
yo tru
balmy condor
bro like a nice clean freehold this week
fallen forge
so if you dont get a restealth do we just save vanish and shadowmeld to get ic off?
balmy condor
im salivating
spice spire
bro like a nice clean freehold this week
Amen brother
Got a cute 170 last night (no Aug!!!!)
fallen forge
someone just bricked a 15 freehold i was in it was cursed fr
spice spire
The tank pug was clearly carrying the dps and was pulling like a mad lad and the healer was a juicer MW
balmy condor
so if you dont get a restealth do we just save vanish and shadowmeld to get ic o...
yeh pretty much, IC should be on cooldown regardless though unless shits gonna die in like 15-20 seconds
fallen forge
ah gotcha tyty
worn sorrel
runic hinge
Seeing the new talents and stuff makes me not want to do keys anymore
balmy condor
keys being keys makes me not want to do keys
runic hinge
I have fun sometimes in a guild group but also I usually do two keys and I’m like bleh alright cya l8r
spice spire
keys being keys makes me not want to do keys
See grom’s latest x banger
That deadass sounds like a porno
balmy condor
oxi pinged it
earnest remnant
i got that linked to me when i got tilted after not timing 29fh by 6 sec
balmy condor
mental illness
rain mortar
Is there any world where Night Elf isn’t way stronger than other races with the new carnage?
winged veldt
Not sure it’s as powerful as you may think when most will prolly dance in m+ anyways.
balmy condor
Is there any world where Night Elf isn’t way stronger than other races with the ...
plenty of world yes
half the m+ builds don't even take carnage right now
but idk
always an infinite supply of people saying nelf op
and it's not been op
so idk
runic hinge
Nelf op because it flips
runic hinge
Vulpera also op for same reason
idle inlet
Vulpera also op for same reason
Furry disgusting
winged veldt
He is beautiful
Take notes from this picture when you hate life very soon and living in simulations lol.
balmy condor
Take notes from this picture when you hate life very soon and living in simulati...
he's next to me
living stress ball
I get to squeeze
winged veldt
I’m jelly! He looks so happy and peaceful lol
balmy condor
let me see if I can get him to do the thing
one moment
He let me do the thing
W
winged veldt
That’s tooooooo fucking adorable! Full belly and out cold and getting belly rubs lol! What a hard life!
runic hinge
Depriving the secret channel of content. Tisk tisk
spice spire
spice spire
balmy condor
no complaints
blazing jewel
<#1146207476983812117>
balmy condor
job done
blazing jewel
gilded oasis
HIYA i love the arm hug/pull when they do it
gilded oasis
mine keeps just getting between my back and my chair. making me sit up straight, rude af
rain mortar
half the m+ builds don't even take carnage right now
I like carnage, hope it ends up being a smart play, but if not so be it
balmy condor
mine keeps just getting between my back and my chair. making me sit up straight,...
a classic
balmy condor
I like carnage, hope it ends up being a smart play, but if not so be it
lots of tuning to go 
candid geyser
Father what do you use for litter box. OG style or one of those giga electric auto do-ers
balmy condor
OG
gilded oasis
one of my cats is a high pee-er.. I use plastic tote/bins
candid geyser
Adopting a cat for the daughter. Getting all the things 🤯
gilded oasis
aw
balmy condor
we use a more expensive litter though
gilded oasis
what you use
candid geyser
(Bet he had to go look) 🤣
gilded oasis
ah ok. we use okocat wood
blazing jewel
My cat hates pellet litter and will launch it across the room
gilded oasis
i really liked it the first like 8 months, 0 dust. then I think they changed something cause its pretty dusty but still less dusty than clay and smells pretty good
balmy condor
My cat hates pellet litter and will launch it across the room
yeh mine kinda dont mind
they still make a bit of a mess
but it would be worse with clay
- it's dusty
and my dad is sensitive to dust
we used a pine pellet for a while
but it broke down super easily
so then it would be closer to like
wet sawdust
which was not great
cats didn't like that one
candid geyser
One of wife’s friends recommended pretty litter, said it doesn’t “dust” and smells nice but her friend is also a target addict and that’s what they have, so unsure if I should trust lmao
gilded oasis
nah I tried that
it dusted all over and also the pretty litter was everywhere
the idea was interesting but I didnt like it enough to keep going
gilded oasis
the pee like dispersing was cool but idk I wouldn't reccomend
storm forum
If I ever get another cat, I'm toilet training that fucker
runic hinge
People at my work say it’s easy af
runic hinge
I’m loving them so hard
Hey it’s me your new cat
idle inlet
Better have that same energy for panda and worgen
Worgen panda yes druid doesn't count cuz it's full cat/bear
idle inlet
He is beautiful
That's not a furry that's the greatest gift the universe has to offer
spice spire
Hey it’s me your new cat
half gull
Is the mega dungen dagger supposed to sim a good 1k+ above a 447 crafted dagger in offhand or is it a sim bait
half gull
Well shit
gilded oasis
speaking of, it is Tues
balmy condor
it is
half gull
Back to mega dungeon farm I go on another char
balmy condor
@brazen zodiac ayo 
brazen zodiac
One moment!
balmy condor
Back to mega dungeon farm I go on another char
this is where I'd put my dungeon dagger
IF I HAD ONE
spice surge
Lil bro caught slackin
rain mortar
spice surge
void mesa
rain mortar
This is solo he’s the man
balmy condor
what happened to solo
earnest remnant
this is where I'd put my dungeon dagger
yooo you too?
earnest remnant
they are just afraid of unleashing us
balmy condor
good lad
balmy condor
they are just afraid of unleashing us
so true
just 2 more augvokers and 1 less healer
and I too will be unleashed
gilded oasis
cutie
blazing jewel
balmy condor
we aren't recruiting augvokers cause they're afraid of what I'll become
earnest remnant
blazing jewel
our ptr guild is Gromnak Fan Club 
blazing jewel
what about rotten sub
rain mortar
Solo is a big wow fan
earnest remnant
just no sepsis please
earnest remnant
id take that over sepsis
balmy condor
put bonespike in the middle of the sub tree
so hacha can finally realize his eternal quest
and go quad covenant sub
earnest remnant
he might need that for his mental
after tornado is getting removed from sblades interaction
balmy condor
he might need that for his mental
I'm sure he can cook up some other unholy abomination
past forum
poggies, nick of time secured
balmy condor
he's more than capable
gilded oasis
you took whispyrs nick
honest vessel
if you're synching dm + vanish, do you just hold the first vanish for the 2nd dm?
past forum
its not called whispyr of time
gilded oasis
good point
balmy condor
if you're synching dm + vanish, do you just hold the first vanish for the 2nd dm...
yep, or you play around the 1:30 sepsis by holding it a bit so it covers the 2 min DM
and then you go from there
lot of cooldown planning and shuffling required to min max
so you can either turn brain off and just hard sync and lose a vanish cast for a minor loss
or try and 600 iq the whole thing
honest vessel
im a big fan of holding the 1:30 sepsis for 10s, is fun
when doing that, where do the first two vanishes end up? just after the dm + sepsis garrote falls off?
keen spruce
you can have me as 2 things
I am also a multi-role raider. Assas rogue and bench 
light warren
does this count as embelishment?
runic hinge
No
shy pecan
If it's an embellishment, it'll say that at the top of the tooltip
balmy condor
when doing that, where do the first two vanishes end up? just after the dm + sep...
the first is right after your opener sepsis garrotes expire like 40 seconds in
the second then kinda varies
basically gotta start thinking about when the boss dies
easiest way to plan it
is to make sure you always have either sepsis garrotes or vanish for deathmark
I'm gonna shill this
cause like
goes over the whole thing
and I've had to type out this concept like 35 times and I don't wanna and thats why I made the video in the first place
storm forum
Make the video's script a pinned post
shy pecan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc7Ag1r2tjc
Reported for self-promo
honest vessel
i swear i was binging your channel last night, despite missing this
balmy condor
Make the video's script a pinned post
it's a 12 minute script
Idk if that'll fit
in like
storm forum
Even better
balmy condor
3 pins
balmy condor
i swear i was binging your channel last night, despite missing this
your sins are forgiven
honest vessel
c:
storm forum
I also forget everything that Whispyr says immediately after the videos end
light warren
yo i need a guide like that specifcally for VP i cant get dmg out in that key since everything is groups of 3
balmy condor
the scripted, edited videos that I put out before PTR took like 6-7 hours to make each and got 0 views compared to just hitting record and rambling into a camera for 10 minutes about some new PTR talent nonsense
so
it's not just you
storm forum
PTR in the title is a cheat code for views tbh
spice spire
The algorithm is really just “fuck yourself”
balmy condor
honest vessel
the scripted, edited videos that I put out before PTR took like 6-7 hours to mak...
tragedy :c
honest vessel
new stuff is new
balmy condor
we'll see how an edited guide video does for 10.2
as a real comparison
but it's all at the mercy of algorithm
cyan kestrel
surely it will be popular in 10.2
balmy condor
I think like 85% of my views are just youtube algorithm from search and recommendations
light warren
is this a lot of haste?
storm forum
Nope
light warren
ok cool
cyan kestrel
is this too much haste 
gilded oasis
I have like 6%
storm forum
Fellow not enough haste-havers
honest vessel
is this too much haste?
gilded oasis
way too much
honest vessel
fuck
cyan kestrel
yeah you need negative haste
gilded oasis
reforge some out
cyan kestrel
put on the boots and toxifiy them
honest vessel
oh they're on
and i think it's technically negative lol it just shows as 0
215 from shoulders - 238 from boots
light warren
if i am min maxing is teir helm or chest better
cyan kestrel
sim
hardy wind
if assn does more damage than sub why does it have like half the amount of parses? progging zskarn right now and people said it's because it only does boss damage and sub is better for prog on that boss
spice surge
Because people dont like change