assassination

[signal badger]

Wait I’m dumb

[balmy condor]

sepsis is very good at knowledge checking people into green logs

[signal badger]

Ignore me

[balmy condor]

yeh no

[signal badger]

Cursed vanish garrote

[balmy condor]

his rashok openers are just as bad

[nocturne mountain]

fr gotta watch a guide

[balmy condor]

[nocturne mountain]

thought hekili is the key

[balmy condor]

wheres the shiv

[keen spruce]

I mean the main feedback is that hekili is taking a straight razor to the achilles tendon of your rotation

[balmy condor]

wheres the garrote

what is happening

[void mesa]

Things are happening

Hekili be cooking hard

[balmy condor]

I want to ping hekili and just roast the fuck out of his shit so bad sometimes

[static glacier]

I’m loving how hekili is 5heading this

[balmy condor]

just cold ping and flame

[static glacier]

I mean it goes of the apl, right?

[balmy condor]

hekili has caused me more headaches than any single other thing in the last 2 years

it's insane

[fallen forge]

nah once u see the kind of guildmates i've had u will realize hekili is a necessary evil

[balmy condor]

like even deranged wowhead commenters

are nothing

compared to the pain of hekili

[void mesa]

Wait there are comments on wowhead?

[balmy condor]

yes and I can see deleted comments as a wowhead employee

[void mesa]

I feel bad for you man

[spice surge]

I assume some of them feature very bad words

[void mesa]

...creative bad words at least? D:

[balmy condor]

I also get an email when someone comments on a page that I authored

but don't worry

that shit goes into the spam folder

[spice surge]

[balmy condor]

it's a necessary part of the job to just ignore the comment section

[static glacier]

Ayo Whispyr, what’s your 2nd favourite spec in the game

[balmy condor]

wowhead comment section is like the worst part of humanity

[nocturne mountain]

better now?

[balmy condor]

perfect

[balmy condor]

sub

[static glacier]

Of everything you could have chosen, you picked spamming gloomblade - based

[balmy condor]

funny enough

I've played more sub than assa

in my total wow life

[static glacier]

I mean m+ sin is kinda illegal

[signal badger]

Next tier that flips

[static glacier]

Idk why I can’t get it into my head

Last time sin m+ wasn’t a meme was when bfa SS + echoing blades abuse

I just can’t picture sin doing aoe

[spice spire]

I’m joining up

Post a guide I dare you

[balmy condor]

no

[modern crag]

Looking forward to trying assassination what’s it difficulty like to the other 2 specs

[spice spire]

My post will be so vile that even jez will blush

[gaunt moat]

I tried it for the first time yesterday to learn feral.
Gave up on it after 5 minutes, because I realized that even if i press correct buttons, I have no idea WHY i'm pressing them.

[spice spire]

Maintain bleeds and bite whenever you don’t need to do anything else

Or apex goes off and you’re

[gaunt moat]

I need an apex WA

[balmy condor]

they all have their own thing that makmes them difficult

[gaunt moat]

why isn't there a UI element for Apex

[spice spire]

I ended up having a sound go off when I had the buff

The 40 second William shattner meow

[gaunt moat]

I'm also a bit confused about when to use Brutal slash vs Shred
or sometimes when I don't have enough CPs for Rip/primal wrath, how do i get there optimally

And does it matter how much CPs you've got for bite if apex procs? cause it's not gonna use them, right?

[spice spire]

Correct

Also iirc brutal slash is just kind of a filler for when you have z energy (I did a deep dive for like a week in 10.0.7) and man. Feral is just slow

[gaunt moat]

What do you mean correct, does it matter or not 😂
Brutal slash still costs like 25 energy, it's just limited by charges

And yeah it's really slow. after playing sin it's really hard to get used to energy starvation

[spice spire]

Correct, on apex it doesn’t matter. You’re getting a free max cp bite

I guess z things to do. I remember weaving it in whenever. Idk didn’t do too huge a dive on ST

Now aoe? Feral is

Man you’re popping your feral tea nonstop

Once that first kill goes off

[gaunt moat]

I wouldn't know, I'm only doing timewalking to level, so mobs die the second i finish getting my bleeds on them

then i'm doing less dps than the healer

[spice spire]

Should be able to get at least some things going. It’s a ton of fun once you get a hang of it

[gaunt moat]

Getting the feral frenzy or whatever its called really helped the rotation

that gives you full CP

[spice spire]

Ye. Also nice multi dotting

Which in tw sucks

But in keys can be nice

[gaunt moat]

I'm having trouble multi dotting, cause i can make get 2 rakes, thrash and primal wrath going on
then i'm starved and can't do more rakes

I'm used to sin getting free garrotes

[runic hinge]

Feral aoe is so fun rn. Been playing that alt a lot lately

[thorn fjord]

Which dungeon in the current rotation would be the shortest?

Im thinking Vortex

[analog mica]

so ik race is 99.99% meaningless and all, but what feels better for ppl, arcane torrent or meld

for raid meld is meh and idk how worth torrent is to swap to

[clever sapphire]

BONESPIKE FTW

[solar token]

hi everyone, i was playing assasination in the season 2 because i like it, but it was a little weak, What does the specialization look like for the next patch?

any opinion?

[runic hinge]

Too early to tell

[clever sapphire]

but its lookin interesting

[solar token]

better than now?

[clever sapphire]

most likely

[solar token]

i hope the changes make it better in aoe damage

[clever sapphire]

probably wont be better than sub or outlaw in keys, but its not gonna feel like shit

[solar token]

cool

[gaunt moat]

I also dunno if i'm missing something
cause like, ti doesn't really have any AoE ability to spam.
No FoK, not CT
you don't spam thrash right?

[runic hinge]

No, you refresh rakes if you’re out of brutal slash charges. I’m just constantly tabbing for rake.

[gaunt moat]

Muh energy

[runic hinge]

Idk what level you are but it gets better I think

Tf resetting every time something dies is nice

One thing is you generally run dire fixation so you can shred a target you want to die once too

I don’t run blood talons because I don’t want think about builder order

[gaunt moat]

64 right now

[gaunt moat]

I just spam builders and hope for good

[spice spire]

Yes man

[runic hinge]

Lions strength is so close in damage it’s worth it to me to not think

[runic hinge]

I hit a vibe god roll. Please acknowledge me

[spice spire]

Welcome brethren

To the order of 5(?)

[runic hinge]

Been rolling for weeks for that.

[spice spire]

Nvm 8 lmfao

I am still the only 2-time

(Also the first two vibe god rolls )

[runic hinge]

Damnnnn

[spice spire]

Bit of a gamer ama

[thorn fjord]

Why you so cute

[fallen forge]

undead to uphold our shit reputation and eat corpses

[bronze pike]

okay enough time has passed

i have a new addition to new sin rogue.

dethronement: kingbane does 100% more damage and 100% more dot damage per poison and bleed on the target upt to 1000% more damage. you cannot use any finishers on the target for 40 seconds, generators have a chance to reset the cd of kingsbane

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-monty-p-moneybags-more-like-belongs-in-the-trash-spongebob-meme-belongs-in-the-trash-gif-21660283

[bronze pike]

dont like that one eh? thats what feedback is for

[earnest remnant]

some people need their kitchen access revoked

[spice spire]

Whoop

[bronze pike]

mod abuse

[spice spire]

I said whoop!

[earnest remnant]

technically its not mod abuse

cuz he isnt a mod

[spice spire]

True

[bronze pike]

greenname abuse

[spice spire]

!!

[candid geyser]

Bloodied @balmy condor: Every time horrible cooks take place, @balmy condor gains a stack of Ironwired. At 15 stacks, @balmy condor becomes enraged, lashing out at all those around him uncontrollably. Stacks last for 1 hour.

[balmy condor]

true

[spice spire]

If this were a more informal discord (and I had the power) I’d name the PTR channels “The Kitchen”

[bronze pike]

i have whispyr passive immunity

your cooking is wack

[candid geyser]

Best is to take horrible cooks to whispyr’s stream and leverage tts

Get to watch the ironwired stack apply visually via his facial expressions

[agile osprey]

@keen spruce Your turn tomorrow

[keen spruce]

[hollow vessel]

I've seen top sark parses with 20% haste but guides say otherwise, I know that I should sim myself but I want to try Sin without changing so much stuff

[balmy condor]

guides say crit > mast > haste

[hollow vessel]

so, should I just change vers? because the damage is CRAZY

[balmy condor]

vers is our worststat

but you said it best

sim yourself

I meant worst

[brazen zodiac]

haha

[balmy condor]

my brain isn't quite good

[brazen zodiac]

cute

[pure moth]

Grats! I ran it last night and got it again rofl. I was like oh no

[agile osprey]

We save shmeeps tomorrow

[pure moth]

My guild needed another person and was like well i guess i wasnt running it with you guys at this point this week cuz late in week.

When it dropped i was like nooo

[spice surge]

Can you check (preferably with logs) how it works when you have two equiped? If its double the chance or double the damage

[keen spruce]

[leaden cipher]

Does anyone know if acro affects AA range?

[pure moth]

Sure, when i get home I'll hit a dummy

[candid geyser]

@balmy condor Father I love your youtube content. This shit is amazing + the additional overlay commentaries about yourself are hilarious

[balmy condor]

thank you :)

[keen spruce]

whispyr very handsome youtuber

[runic hinge]

Handsomest? Yes

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

how much do we have to donate on stream for you to write our name on a whiteboard

[balmy condor]

I'll write your name rn

[gray crest]

Whispyr hot tub stream when?

[finite fern]

What does your guys binds look like? things on like my 2nd hotbar i always click and such and i know that is def not how youre supposed to do it lol

[balmy condor]

my first hotbar is just everything around wasd

my second hotbar is the same but shift

and then I have a couple control keybinds

[keen spruce]

qwer rotational

1234 offensive CDs

zxcv defensives/utility

asd movement

f kick

[blazing jewel]

shift modifiers for offensive cds

ctrl for defensives

its just the best

[keen spruce]

yeah then shift modifiers for everything

don't use ctrl

[blazing jewel]

ctrl is great

[keen spruce]

but my setup is generally considered rather cursed

[gray crest]

Right Ctrl best modifier

[keen spruce]

but u can't convince me that asd movement isn't superior to wasd

[blazing jewel]

zac uses his mouse buttons as modifiers

[finite fern]

i need to set that up

[blazing jewel]

thats kinda cursed but it seems good

[keen spruce]

I have an fps mouse

so only 2 extra buttons

i just use them for like

mounts and pots n stuff

[blazing jewel]

yea I only have 2 extra

[gray crest]

I have a 5 button mouse, but for most of my time playing this game I used a 12 button mouse

[blazing jewel]

use it for stealth distract feint crimson vial sprint and something else

[gray crest]

Also my keyboard has 5 configurable keys to the left of shift that I just bound to f-keys

[blazing jewel]

I use a 60% keyboard

[gray crest]

Which I use for kick, stun, etc

[blazing jewel]

kinda miss the extra keys sometimes

[river ember]

How does sbs feel over sepsis on sark prog. I feel like holding sepsis as often as you do on that fight might make sbs better no? Running bone spike barely sims lower and your also losing probably a whole sepsis cast over the course of the fight.

[keen spruce]

the value you get from the delayed sepsis' is higher because of the intermissions

but it's probably relatively marginal

i wouldn't say better

but maybe

[blazing jewel]

bepsis

[frozen iris]

What extra keys the f keys?

[balmy condor]

60% is no F keys no numpad

And no arrow keys

[deft flicker]

So phone keyboard

But physical

[blazing jewel]

I went from a logitech keyboard with 5 extra g keys on the side and all f keys

to 60%

[frozen iris]

I know I’m asking which keys he’s missing. My bad should have been more clear

[blazing jewel]

so missing just a few keys lol

[frozen iris]

Yeah I have a 60% for work and 75% for gaming. Should be reversed but oh well

[keen spruce]

i love my numpad

[gilded oasis]

No f key?? How will you use your finishers??

[balmy condor]

E for envenom R for rupture C for crimson tempest and S for slice and dice

[gray hazel]

Biggest gripe with 60% is they have no ~ key

Really easy keybind to hit gone

[gilded oasis]

Yeah how you gonna stealth then

[blazing jewel]

when my friends in cs kept telling me to bring up the console and im screaming back I CANT

[gray hazel]

Lmao

[balmy condor]

G for go into stealth

[gray hazel]

This is why 80% is BiS

[keen spruce]

R for kidney cuz it makes your opponent reeeee

f for kick cuz "fuck your cast"

[balmy condor]

I heard some people put R for slice and dice cause it makes them reeeeeee

[deft flicker]

W for Exsang

Because binding it on L isn’t very practical

[keen spruce]

4 is slice and dice

so i can press it once and 4get about it

[blazing jewel]

slice and dice goes on 7 smh

[keen spruce]

w is garrote cuz u gotta Wait for the damage

shift W is rupture cuz you Spend cp to Wait for the damage

[blazing jewel]

shift w

what the fuck

[keen spruce]

W is prime real estate keybind

yall using W to move are livin in the past

[blazing jewel]

I still have qwe asd bound for movement

but rarely use them

mostly just q e for strafe

[keen spruce]

but

but

u have a mouse

[blazing jewel]

yea

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

I move with mouse

and strafe

[keen spruce]

but just strafe with ad

[blazing jewel]

that is a good idea

but I dont lol

[keen spruce]

if u didn't have so many gold parses

[deft flicker]

Just strafe with f h

[keen spruce]

that'd be a paddlin

[keen spruce]

i have a friend that does that

[deft flicker]

Infinite keybind space

[keen spruce]

cuz she doesn't like using shift

tfgh movement

no modifers

so fkin cursed

[deft flicker]

I’m still on ad because I use caps for discord

[blazing jewel]

just get longer fingers

smh

[keen spruce]

u know how FPS players tilt their keyboards

so the esc key side of the keyboard is closer to their monitors

she tilts hers like 45 degrees the other way

[blazing jewel]

thats banned

[keen spruce]

actual alien

[blazing jewel]

that would cause so much wrist pain holy

[keen spruce]

well it's not in front of her monitor

it's like way over to the left

to acommodate her stupid tilt

[blazing jewel]

mf needs a body pillow on the desk to use her keyboard

[deft flicker]

Humaning moment

[blazing jewel]

thats where the second monitor goes

????????????

[keen spruce]

bruh i'm not drawin like a perfectly accurate...

yknow what

one sec

[runic hinge]

Damn you drew this in less than a minute?

[blazing jewel]

@balmy condor this you?

[keen spruce]

like that

kinda

idk

[blazing jewel]

pog

[keen spruce]

i've only been to her house like twice

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

I thought the mouse cable was just really long right arm

[blazing jewel]

lmfao

scratching his knee or something

[balmy condor]

Yeah

My shin is itchy

Let me reach behind my desk and get that

[keen spruce]

itchy shin the worst

so unsatisfying

[blazing jewel]

time to bust out the extendo gripper arm

[keen spruce]

to scratch

[pure moth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8ZTXw6pxYbKfnCLD#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=22 here you go. Comparing it to a random fight log. doesnt look like you get double the damage

[keen spruce]

seems to hit a lot more

i mean

1m single samples

but still

[vestal wren]

first one was more egnonomic

[keen spruce]

well

i mean it's more like this

desk isn't that big

[deft flicker]

My mom’s friend’s son had his arm weirdly broken and his elbow now bends inwards

[runic hinge]

Don't say that

the visual giving me the heeb jeeb

[deft flicker]

Ye, it’s a bit disturbing. But the picture reminded me of him

[pure moth]

raid boss was less time than what i was hitting dummy for though. only difference, compared it to boss 1

[earnest remnant]

thats aint how we do it

thats how

she is cursed

and should be stopped

[rotund oak]

@balmy condor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmn6HNEBIuY totally agree but in any case,active exsang is more of a ''sniping'' thing for pvp.No idea how the numbers are on sims but i think its a bad idea to prss exsang in general unless u wanna kill something fast on a specific window

also UwU

[stiff crane]

no Momma Whisphyr in the video 3/10

[rotund oak]

oh F

thought it was the PTR channel

massive L

[broken stump]

I've seen in the wowhead guide that you can take SBS or Sepsis - what's the difference between them? Close enough that you can just play either?

[pure moth]

Sepsis is like 2 or 3% better than sbs

but if you don't care about min maxing, and prefer the sbs style, than you can play it

[rotund oak]

about 2% stepsis is ahead for ST

at least

dunno for aoe

[broken stump]

Ah OK cool

[sweet dawn]

YOu don't take either in AOE

so chillin

[broken stump]

I'm not a fan of SBS so if I can just play Sepsis then that's good

[rotund oak]

sbs is the pvp choice out of the 2

i like sbs more than stepsis tbh

but stepsis more dam so whatever

find it kinda cool coz there is a tech with stepsis on how to extend empowered garrote

[pure moth]

yup

[broken stump]

Oh wat?

[pure moth]

you refresh your garrote at the end of sepsis

theres a wa that tracks it for you

[rotund oak]

stepsis=>garrote for the extra ticks on garrote and u refresh again after 10sec

and it kinda alligns with deathmark

so u get a massive stepsis=>garrote==>shiv window

am i right mr @earnest remnant

[earnest remnant]

yeah

only "hard" part is that you kinda need to know your kill timers

[frigid pilot]

Parsing as sin is pure luck , if you kill boss right before you get cds back it’s ova

[blazing jewel]

Pure luck

[subtle tundra]

🤓 pure luck

[gusty mirage]

scana I'm cooking rn

👀

[blazing jewel]

Oh lawd I’m ready for the within margin dps

[gusty mirage]

margin? I haven't regemmed since june

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

I'm gonna get like 600-700 dps easily

[blazing jewel]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[blazing jewel]

Did you get a big vault upgrade

[gusty mirage]

no

I have no vault upgrades

ig maybe a chromatic essence?

or the echo ring

?

my only upgrade is nick of time

[blazing jewel]

Where are these big gains

[gusty mirage]

[frigid pilot]

Which rogue spec benefited the most from the ptr so far?

[gusty mirage]

until exsang gets fixaroo'd

sub's looking like the winner rn

but all 3 specs got some serious Ws

• sub tier set is actually sick

[frigid pilot]

Aoe kidneyshot

[willow barn]

guys is there any chance to sim runes all in one

[gusty mirage]

yes

sec

[blazing jewel]

Are you not mentioning outlaw because they turned that channel into a cult

[gusty mirage]

sub's tree is super strong

it just is

[rotund oak]

[spice spire]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

#assassination message yoink the runes part, and toss it at the bottom of your simc input in an advanced sim

[willow barn]

thx sir for the help oxi

[gusty mirage]

my pleasure my friend

[willow barn]

sry for askin again are the sims for one hand or both hands enchants

:S

[gusty mirage]

should be both, lemme double check the actual input

ya its both

[willow barn]

thx rly appreciate that u got the hussel with raidbots i totally not up to date with that system haha

[gusty mirage]

also fuu has a really good input with all consumables

lemme get you the link

#assassination message

this has every single consumable

[willow barn]

thx again 🙂

[earnest remnant]

OXI

AM I

GETTING THE CLOAK TMRW

[gusty mirage]

probably not

[earnest remnant]

[gusty mirage]

@blazing jewel this went from a 4 course meal to instant ramen

[earnest remnant]

im only missing sark cloak and nick of time

[gusty mirage]

I just need nick of time

[earnest remnant]

super rare items are great

[gusty mirage]

and we chillin

[earnest remnant]

i want my 1400 dps

[gray crest]

This isn't the tyrannical discord ruining oxi that I've been warned about on Reddit

[gusty mirage]

fuck you fed

[gray crest]

There it is

[blazing jewel]

[past bobcat]

Is class trinket kinda bad? 441 essence simming higher for me than 457 Nelth

[pure moth]

For me its not rare >.<

[strange python]

how good is https://www.wowhead.com/item=193006/idol-of-the-earth-warder#comments at 447 for us? is the "cycle" of the trinket worth it? I have 7 nelth gems equipped

it's simming 1.7% higher than my current trinket set. sim says i'd gain 2400 dps from getting it

[gusty mirage]

link the sim

[gusty mirage]

the idols are okay, but they lose to a lot of other trinkets

if you're looking for ilvl and a decent trinket, and you have an extra spark laying around, it could be worth it for you

but you'd be better off farming dice from freehold + one of the raid trinkets

[strange python]

Well I have absolutely zero luck with trinket drops, I have Mark of Dragul at 441 and Globe of Jagged Ice at 447.

[gusty mirage]

yeah that's rough

[strange python]

I have 7 sparks sitting in my bag and lots of aspects doing nothing lol

[gusty mirage]

it's probably better than the mark of dargrul for what its worth

even the vers alchemist stone is better than that thing

if you can rng your way into the megadungo dropping anything relevant

the accelerating sandglass + mirrors are a better angle

but that's a once a week chance at both

[strange python]

Yeah ive been running everything every week and have yet to get anything

ive done like 50 FH and havent seen the dice

[spice spire]

Can’t wait for next tier with nick of time

[past bobcat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o1A4aceZP6bcVmi5LYzmmV

[spice spire]

Sub 0.1%

[strange python]

GET THAT 94 DPS THO

[limber lion]

56*

[past bobcat]

Haha just curious why it’s higher. Than the class trinket

[blazing jewel]

Why do you have pi on for the sim lol

[past bobcat]

Lmao just the default options that were on

Not at my PC with my original sims

[gusty mirage]

come to think about it I've only ever seen the dice twice

I've seen those fucking boots and cloak like 3000 times though

thank god

[shy pecan]

Just learn to loot better, duh

[gusty mirage]

why don't I loot these nuts on your face

HUH?

[spice spire]

I’m running a top gear on it now (mobile simming lmfao)

[spice spire]

Promise?

[gusty mirage]

not you

stinky man

this is a me and pham moment

stop interrupting

[shy pecan]

[gusty mirage]

do I do the megadungeon today for nick of time to not drop

or do I play poe

[blazing jewel]

Pay for a squad of rogues

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion help

[blazing jewel]

So it doesn’t drop and you lose gold

[gusty mirage]

nah

I can't steal whispyr's funnel simps

[spice spire]

Do the first two

Then cba

[pure moth]

Just make sure your loot spec is correct

[shy pecan]

And then you can go PoE afterwards

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kaCBLYMuBBAi2uFYRJfeaJ

Double wafting is a gain

[gray crest]

I'm always down to simp for oxi

[spice spire]

Time to run the cursed gem sims.

[fallen robin]

which dragonflight do I attune for Ominous Chromatic essence?

[spice spire]

Varies

Gotta test em all

I just saw haste for the first time ever

Usually it’s crit or mastery, I’ve seen some rare obsidians

[fallen robin]

ok ty

[limber lion]

My guy sitting at like 0 haste, no wonder the haste chromatic sims better. Here's 700 dps just from changing gems

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sFU1CMjknuotoiKFiTsqNH

[spice spire]

Yeah same shit here

All haste gems + wafting is an increase still

[past bobcat]

Can you tell I play sub?

[limber lion]

Man took the "crit/mastery are the best 2 stats" too literally.

[spice spire]

[past bobcat]

0 haste dreaming

[spice spire]

Most bang for your buck over swapping gems ad nauseam seems to be changing your weapon enchant

[past bobcat]

Sweet. Pretty much bis besides Sark dagger and some 450 tier.

[spice spire]

You could also craft toxic thorn boots

And probably do a fair sized gain

[past bobcat]

So gems are fine but double wafting 700dps interesting. Is it 1400 dps with gems and wafting?

[spice spire]

It wasn’t for me but varies

Because once you fix some things

Others will change

Like

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nvNWg9Mpg7wYnBc8zTcQfZ

Quick droptomizer on crafting gear

[past bobcat]

Interesting, I’ll play around with it some more. Figured with tea never really needed haste

[limber lion]

lol that's not how it works

you use the tea charges almost instantly, you don't have perma-tea

also haste does much more than just increase energy regen

[limber lion]

Also, yes. The gems were 700 dps, adding in double wafting is +550

so almost 1.3k in total

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hFXCmk6goEJN7X2PD8JrF3

[past bobcat]

Wow, then with the crafted pieces changes almost another 1500. Thanks!

[limber lion]

Might wanna make a crafted item first

then do gem/enchant sim again

[past bobcat]

Can’t I just in top gear, change the stats of the crafted pieces I have already?

[limber lion]

Sure you can

The weight of the crafted items obviously change with different gems and enchants

gotta go back and forth a bit

[split veldt]

toxic thorn or slimey boots?

faq says toxic thorn, but i see slimey on raider io

so im confused

[gilded oasis]

sim it

generally toxic though slimy fine too. I think they are pretty close

[split veldt]

word

ty

ill sim just in case once all my gear is re-rolled

im having a hard time finding info about poisons, but i assume it's instant/amp?

[gilded oasis]

deadly always for sin, not instant.. Amp if you are specced into it because dont spec into it if you aren't going to use it!

Generally ST with dragon tempered blades is : deadly, amp, atrophic, crippling if you want to

M+ with dragon tempered is deadly, amp, mind numbing (like 90% of the time unless you really need the dam reduction), crippling

[clever sapphire]

there is no situation where you arent specced into amp

kb times are long over

[split veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thanks-thank-you-so-much-keanu-reeves-gif-21952233

[gilded oasis]

idk maybe he has a cursed situation, I'm not gonna assume!

[clever sapphire]

that would only be me

[gilded oasis]

I also had to log into my rogue because I forgot all poison names

Im ditching DTB

simping bonerspike again

[clever sapphire]

not really up to date with ptr, bonespike meta?

[gilded oasis]

nah

[spice spire]

Porque no los dos

[clever sapphire]

feck

[gilded oasis]

only 1 show

DTb in trouble its nerf

[empty tide]

is there a way to sim every chromatic essence buff?

[analog mica]

ya 1 sec

i dm u it

[sweet dawn]

Mythic rashok deadge bois

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Huge

[limber lion]

straight from the faq

[spice spire]

That boss was so good, can’t wait to go back and parse him

[limber lion]

Always Toxic if you're planning on only play Assassination. Slimy if you wanna play other specs quite a bit too

[split veldt]

im blind as hell then lmao

[limber lion]

I just did ctrl + f and typed in poisons and it popped up

Easy money

[split veldt]

well i pretty much only plan on finishing our mythic sark prog and doing re-clears and no more keys until next tier

so i guess toxic it is

[limber lion]

Good choice

[sweet dawn]

For our first kill an 80 ilvl parse is good I think

62 overall is meh

[limber lion]

ilvl parse does not matter at all

and you should never look at it

ever

but go off king, I guess

[split veldt]

would blood elf 1% crit be better than tauren 2% crit damage?

[limber lion]

It makes 0 difference

All races are like within 0.1%

Pick the one you want to look at the next coming months

or years

Utility is pretty much the only thing to consider when it comes to races atm

And looks

[split veldt]

im trying to convince myself to go back to blood elf from tauren lol

[limber lion]

I mean, I had to race change to Tauren

But I'm changing back the second I start playing this game actively again

because fuck that

I ain't playing a stealthy cow

[split veldt]

yeah i went from BE to tauren right away because tauren rogue is funny, but now i kinda miss BE

and taurens cant get through fucking doors and shit

lmao

[thorn fjord]

Can 100% relate

[keen spruce]

void elf blink is handy

basically blood elf look with a tendy in your hair

[past bobcat]

Dwarf is too op

[empty tide]

i mean, if you dont play dwarf for broken racial you just play whatever you want

[past bobcat]

Especially was early this season with all the dispels you can use the racial for

[empty tide]

ye it even works on some raid bosses

like experiments bleed and sarkareth breath

[past bobcat]

Yup you can’t compare it to others because of how good the utility is. It’s leaps and bounds ahead of anything else I think

[split veldt]

yeah but dwarfs look really shitty

[empty tide]

female dwarf is dope what you mean

[split veldt]

[thorn fjord]

Dwarf would be an automatic bench spot

My guild is racist

[keen spruce]

dwarfs are cringe

[empty tide]

check this baby out

[keen spruce]

surely the new dungeon pool will not require them

[thorn fjord]

Im thinking belf

Im tired of being a fucking cow

[keen spruce]

just go velf

free blink

and technically better damage

[thorn fjord]

I dont even think i have that unlocked

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Velf is super free to unlock

[thorn fjord]

<-- lazy gamer

[spice spire]

Took like an hour with my 410 warrior

[thorn fjord]

None of my renown is above 15 LOL

[spice spire]

It’s not renown gated

[thorn fjord]

I know im just showing how lazy i am

[spice spire]

You can literally just go to the embassy and do it now

Lol

[thorn fjord]

Embassy in org?

[rotund oak]

5 for trying

[spice spire]

Velf is alli

[thorn fjord]

oh right

Yeah thats an automatic bench spot too

[spice spire]

?

[thorn fjord]

GM wont let us raid as alliance

[rotund oak]

racist

lul

[thorn fjord]

i'd be a dwarf if he did

[rotund oak]

like the F does he care anyway

[thorn fjord]

[rotund oak]

actually mindblown

there is no reason to deny someone racial minmax or actually having fun with what he likes

[thorn fjord]

Guilds toxic what can i say

[lunar carbon]

What is the DPS benchmark for Normal Aberrus?

[rotund oak]

there is no benchmark,this is BS,press ur button and try to improve

[thorn fjord]

Dont die.

[keen spruce]

any number would be completly out of our asses

[lunar carbon]

Hmm... ok thanks anyways 🙂

[keen spruce]

if you're in a group of similarly geared/skilled players

[rotund oak]

u r welcome fam

[keen spruce]

just try to stay in the top half of the group and do mechanics

and don't die

[visual prairie]

hi assassinatorizers

you guys gonna have aoe in 10.2 or what?

[spice spire]

[rotund oak]

yes assassination will have ''aoe''

[primal jolt]

WHO IS THAT GIGACHAD

THE TRUE HORDE!

[spice spire]

Pfp accurate

[cerulean nest]

mega dungeon dagger. friend wants to help funnel it. does he need 441 daggers in both slots? or is one fine

[balmy condor]

he can technically take a 441 and put it in his mainhand, then put it in his offhand

and it should work

[cerulean nest]

bet ty

[granite grail]

Well hrm

[thorn fjord]

Another reset

No dagger

[spice spire]

I try again this week

[granite grail]

See, i'm lost. Do I take the chest b/c my current chest is 428 or do I take beacon because its beacon

[balmy condor]

today is my day

[balmy condor]

you can do better than beacon, take the chest

[granite grail]

Sir yes sir

[thorn fjord]

I believe

[granite grail]

I already have dragonfire bomb and a harlans die, that'll do for now

[balmy condor]

oh yeah

you're big chilling

that's a good combo

[sweet dawn]

If I have a mythic raid vault can I get loot from bosses I've not killed on mythic but have killed on heroic?

[thorn fjord]

Only tier

[balmy condor]

yeh only the tier

[sweet dawn]

Ah oke

[balmy condor]

can't get a mythic bomb dispenser without killing mythic zskarn

[granite grail]

I had a giga-chad bear tank roll on the dragonfire bomb then give it to me

[balmy condor]

it's always the bears tbh

bears are huge chads

[granite grail]

He sniped it from some dude that had rolled a 93

[restive falcon]

im gonna have to get rid of using mythic beacon for mythic essence and still run heroic bomb

[past bobcat]

Mythic beacon poop

[balmy condor]

[restive falcon]

last month of vault was banger tho, beacon into dagger into dagger into essence

just no class trink or mythic bomb

[past bobcat]

I mean I had a kill last night where class trinket didn’t proc one single time in 4 minutes

So there’s that

[restive falcon]

i keep coping and saying "imma lose so much damage not using beacon" but then it hits for only 600k

i lose 1% mastery from getting rid of beacon

i got form 63% with beacon to 62% but raid buffs

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dmfDqoXNWm7tDRLfvNN4zR

class trink bad too

[finite fern]

Which should i chose? Item level is only 404 lol

[sweet dawn]

[amber blaze]

bye Assa 🙂

[gusty mirage]

sub got hit harder than assa

but ok

[bronze pike]

@spice spire

[spice spire]

I enjoy copy pasting

[plain plaza]

@amber blaze Why root against any single Rogue SPEC. Seems dumb. Don't you want Rogue to be strong and versatile across all specs?

[subtle tundra]

no

fuck

outlaw

hope it goes to the bin

[plain plaza]

Why, casue you cant play it?

[amber blaze]

Woof

[subtle tundra]

on god bro im so bad i cant play outlaw

cant even play assa, no sub

[spice spire]

Pause hold

[subtle tundra]

ok babe

[plain plaza]

Trolling but for real why not want all spec to be good?

[subtle tundra]

i want them to pay for bfa

[plain plaza]

Ah

[spice spire]

Nah ur right I saw your outlaw from s4

You can’t play it

Unluigi

[subtle tundra]

who said i was playing

[spice spire]

I just checked

[subtle tundra]

yes, who said i was playing

i did win 2 months of game time that season from playing assa in break the meta btw!

[spice spire]

Explain this

[subtle tundra]

uh

meow

[winged veldt]

"not playing" lol

[spice spire]

(That’s his s3)

He definitely wasn’t playing s4

[subtle tundra]

smh mention s3 and mention this aswell

(i want to draw your attention away from the outlaw)

[plain plaza]

I was blind, now I see. Fuck outlaw

[subtle tundra]

preach, brother

[spice spire]

Amen brethren

[subtle tundra]

omg you reminded me

of s2 5 am key

that went into team breakdown

sanguine depths was something ELSE

[spice spire]

S2 SD was 🔥

It was either smooth

Or the worst shit show of your life

[subtle tundra]

cant believe it took them so long to make the dungeons good

and now they can do 8 every season

🤨

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

(well, they are released bad and make me not want to play m+ for the rest of the patch)

[past bobcat]

are people running double wafting?

[spice spire]

Normally no

But your ass needed haste that bad

[past bobcat]

Yeah I'm at home now on the PC. Running a bunch of stuff to see LMAO

Generally for crafted gear mast haste?

[runic hinge]

Mines like half mast haste half crit mast

[spice spire]

Crit/mast, crit/haste, haste/mast can be combos

[past bobcat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fvWQL5wDqhKAjuiGNtNiht this is the highest ive got so far lmao but i dont wanna use wafting

[spice spire]

I believe it

[latent wedge]

does leeching poison not work?

[woeful meteor]

it does

you loose it whenever you leave/join an instance tho so you will have to reapply poison whenever you enter raid/dungeon

[cerulean nest]

got the dagger

sike 🙂

[outer cairn]

raidbots wants me to gem mast/haste gems

[keen spruce]

for how much benefit

[outer cairn]

literally like .4 lol

i didn't think we cared to much about haste

i double checked and it actually prefered haste/mast

lol

[analog mica]

i have possibly dumb question

is double imp gar for pandemic on sark opener worth the gcd at all

[keen spruce]

no

cuz you sepsis in your opener

which gives you the rest of your coverage for DM and afterwards

then vanish to refresh it after that

[keen spruce]

haste is good

robot has me around like 15% or so

just not as good as crit and mast until you get a lot of it

[analog mica]

[woeful meteor]

doubel imp gar hasn't been worth since exsang died

[dark arrow]

its been a minute since I played sin, (I bent to the will of M+ meta in SL and DF) as I haven't played it since raiding sanctum in SL. I let it get away from me since then as it seemed sub out be the more dominant spec for DF, but it was brought to my attention by a guildie Sin is now toping the charts in raid since 10.1.5? I must have missed some buffs or something and it seems I need to get back to Sin! What changed to make it powerful again? My heart has been broken about it under performing for all of 10.0 and 10.1 relative to sub and outlaw.

[keen spruce]

I mean all 3 specs have run very close all tier

but assas got some random aura buff at some point i'm pretty sure

the mega dungeon dagger is good. idk about other specs. maybe that moved the needle a bit

probably just the aura buff

[outer cairn]

that might be the case for me

[keen spruce]

i mean .4 is not worth spending on gems imo

but like if you're rich an don't care

the variance pull to pull

based on sophic and trinket procs

is enormous

so optomizing a few hundred dps on gems

won't really have a noticable impact

[dark arrow]

really? I kept reading that sin was like C and D tier with sub being A tier and outlaw being A or B depending on the fight... for raid. Even wowmeta which ranks based on warcraft log data was putting sin really low.

[keen spruce]

that wasn't because of pure throughput

sin can basically just smack boss

outlaw can just press BF and help with adds on echo and sark

sub normally stays ST but has reliable CP generation with storm where assas has to rely on crits with fan

but as far as just target dummy ST damage they've been pretty close all tier

within a couple thousand dps

[swift moss]

okay guys I am now mortal strike bot on sark, easy way to not lose a bunch of dmg for p3?

[keen spruce]

find a new guild and not be the MS bot

[outer cairn]

Yeah I mean I mostly played sub, but gonna start playing sin again so its really not a big deal to me

[dark arrow]

I see. i'm gonna have to try it out again. i'll be parsing low since its been so damn long but I would like to play sin again. I really miss the spec for raiding. my stats are probably all fucked for sin though so i'll have to work on that.

[keen spruce]

sin stats are roughly the same as sub

but robot likes a little haste too for a marginal gain

[outer cairn]

I think my vers is a bit higher than my mastery cuz of it, but its really nbd to me

[keen spruce]

parsing is hard this late in the tier because of reclears and kill times

[outer cairn]

i'm not worried about parse

i just wanna finally get ce

[keen spruce]

and assas is pretty competative

cuz there's like 20 of us

[outer cairn]

lol

21

now

[keen spruce]

my rank 10 magmorax

wasn't even an orange

[outer cairn]

i probably play it completely trash like sporky

[split veldt]

crit flask and haste runes, hmm

[keen spruce]

always crit flask

unless your healers are disfunctional

[split veldt]

im an alch, so not a big deal

[keen spruce]

rune just listed to robot ig

listen

i just have like hundreds of crit runes

so i just use them

[split veldt]

lol

gotta make the toxic booties now, sim says theyre 900 more deeps

[dark arrow]

i'm literally 0% haste.... 49% crit, 69% mastery and 12% vers

[keen spruce]

there were lots of r1 parses with 0% haste earlier in the tier

[dark arrow]

perfect then I won't worry about it

[keen spruce]

like you won't notice anything in gameplay

by changing secondaries

it's just a robot number diff

[dark arrow]

starting to look at the sin rogues on warcaft logs to see what their gear looks like, talent builds etc. I think I played it 2 or 3 times in 10.0 in raid towards the end of the tier just to try it out but haven't touched it since then. we have raid in 20 minutes and if we have enough for mythic i'll do sub but if we are short and do heroic I wanna try sin. trying to get an idea of how to build things lol

[agile osprey]

@keen spruce agane?

@pure moth

[keen spruce]

forgot it was tuesday lemmy hop on

[keen spruce]

gear is just sub gear

[pure moth]

launcher has an update. coming in a couple

its just said "waiting" for like 5 mins though so i dunno what its doing

[keen spruce]

we're lookin for a tank and healer

take your time

[pure moth]

you guys are both in the right loot spec? 🙂

[agile osprey]

[agile osprey]

oh they really didnt see it coming

[pure moth]

lol

[keen spruce]

lol mook just ghosted

didn't even make up an excuse

next week surely

ty friendos

[pure moth]

they said they were going to find 2 people and keep going..

thats when i left party

[outer cairn]

so what I'm seeing from timing of p1 in sark, i feel like i could just vanish there to keep sepsis imp garrote going because by the time we come out of intermission my sepsis and dm are up. i don't want to use sepsis when it first comes back up because its about to phase anyways

[agile osprey]

[keen spruce]

correct

hold 2nd sepsis for DM at the start of p2

[outer cairn]

yeah

[keen spruce]

then hold the one before p3 as well

for the same reason

[outer cairn]

i saw that too

[keen spruce]

and if you're going downstairs again in p3

near the 6m mark

[outer cairn]

so just use vanish in p2 again like in p1?

[keen spruce]

then hold all of your shit for that too cuz it'll be your last dm of the fight

you vanish on the 2nd add spawn

to garrote boss and big add

so it's delayed a little bit

[outer cairn]

ahhh

ok

makes sense

[keen spruce]

and similarly in p3

when you take the gate to the edge of the room

[outer cairn]

we need some more time in p3 so i can see it

[keen spruce]

you hold vanish

for the adds that spawn after you drop all of the rocks

so you can garrote 2 of them and the boss

[past bobcat]

we run instant poison or no?

[grim tangle]

yup!

[past bobcat]

instant and amp?

faq says amp and deadly

[sweet dawn]

Yeah it's amp and deadly

[restive falcon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/15uoEDxsF8auQ72NHsf8Lh

we finally got mythic essence in box, and just got call to drop

[keen spruce]

deadly and amp

[restive falcon]

now bomb trink too

[keen spruce]

@past bobcat

[restive falcon]

would it be troll to run essence/class

[outer cairn]

ok now i see it

[keen spruce]

yeah then later in that phase

like after the rocks

2nd bombs come down

[outer cairn]

working on bomb baits and stuff

[keen spruce]

after 2nd bombs

you'll have sep coming up

[outer cairn]

we get here

[keen spruce]

hold that until after go down after that duress and bomb set 3

[outer cairn]

there^

[keen spruce]

if you're doing that strat

[outer cairn]

idk

lol

[keen spruce]

then you'll have all of the sauce and pot

when you come up

[restive falcon]

i dont see anyone running essence/call

[keen spruce]

that's because bomb dispenser exists

[restive falcon]

but mines heroic

[keen spruce]

heroic bomb dispenser is better than mythic anything

[restive falcon]

200dps gain to not run heroic

[keen spruce]

[restive falcon]

i imma drop essence and use call cause call get cool friend

[restive falcon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/15uoEDxsF8auQ72NHsf8Lh

its prob copium

[keen spruce]

i mean it's 13 dps

do w/e u want

fk it just run oce and call

[restive falcon]

we just get rid of cringe essence

[keen spruce]

essence is like

the least cringe thing we have

no rng

just stats

very based trinket

[restive falcon]

yea but

you proc call and get a cool buddy slapping your ass saying "good job go pump"

[outer cairn]

fax cause i have heroic bomb and mythic call

[keen spruce]

agree

just run OCE and call

fk it

[gilded oasis]

mythic ^. I just want to touch a beacon once

just one touch

[light warren]

Does DK give the same debuff as us?

as in do the over write each other

for raid

[gusty mirage]

are you asking about numbing poison?

[light warren]

atrophic

[gusty mirage]

DKs have a DR?

but yes

if they did

it would stack

[thorny pond]

An Imp Gang Boss ---- are we running out of names for spells guys?

[restive falcon]

its been complete, call and bomb trinket in same night

[solid chasm]

@gusty mirage how do i stop being so dogshit at this spec

[shy pecan]

By not being dogshit at it

[keen spruce]

oxi will just tell you he's a bad rogue

but he lies

[gusty mirage]

can't help you there bud

I'm trash

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

this is my skill

change my mind

[indigo epoch]

It was a good day. I'm a scrub so I was pretty stoked about these.

[gilded oasis]

woohoo!

[keen spruce]

[indigo epoch]

have a good night. sleep time!

[versed mica]

is fragment still oversimming?

If so, by how much?

got a 447 one in my vault, just wondering if I should replace either my 441 bomb or 441 beacon with it

oh it's in pins, 18% whoops

[indigo ether]

@blazing jewel is the enemy

[balmy condor]

18%

you don't use it

ever

:)

[versed mica]

[blazing jewel]

not like this man

[versed mica]

this is like

the third time it's been in my vault\

i hate

[balmy condor]

18% for reference puts it roughly on par with a 437 hungerer from firelands timewalking

or screaming black dragonscale

or igneous flowstone

only slightly above mythic icarnate icon from last tier, or puzzle box

[shy pecan]

Bowling this go around?

[blazing jewel]

may have walked into a hole when I had barrage

because im not used to 400000 move speed

[shy pecan]

lol

[blazing jewel]

I do a lil shimmy to see which arrow is mine

cannot do that on cat

banned

[clever perch]

Why people don't play x2 lethality without Resounding Clarity in raid?

if it sims higher

[balmy condor]

because it feels like shit

and "higher" in this case