oh yeah? Also I realized that i had ambush on my stealth bar too so when it was switching over i was hitting it on accident as well. My assumption is though that if you do get a blindside proc and use ambush, it will consume the blindside and not the sepsis
#assassination
clever sapphire
i have stealth and normal bars the exact same just for this reason, so i dont accidentally use the sepsis proc
also ye blindside gets used before sepsis
outer cairn
i have stealth and normal bars the exact same just for this reason, so i dont ac...
which wa you referring to? the one with the blue highlight thing around your toon?
clever sapphire
ye its just the same as blindside but its blue
outer cairn
ye its just the same as blindside but its blue
clever sapphire
yap
outer cairn
cheers
frozen jasper
Do i need to do something to access ptr Channel?
thorn fjord
gusty mirage
yeah it has to do with the new "browse channels" feature discord pulled out of their ass
easiest way to do it, click that link, or get tagged in the channel and right click it and "follow" it
pure moth
I tagged them in the other channel. But i didnt have an issue seeing it. There was a discord update though, so maybe if people update, its just fine
frozen jasper
Didn’t get a noti, I’ll have a look if i have to Update disc, thank you
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gusty mirage
Didn’t get a noti, I’ll have a look if i have to Update disc, thank you
is this stupid thing on the sidebar
not sure why they even included it because there's a feature to mute/hide muted channels already
sudden canyon
void mesa
come join the kitchen, its not toooo much on fire
frozen jasper
is this stupid thing on the sidebar
Yes that‘s there but if i search for ptr it doesn‘t Show anything.
When clicking on the Link it says „This link leads to a server or channel you don‘t have access to“
spice spire
Have you closed your discord + all background processes?
frozen jasper
Have you closed your discord + all background processes?
Yes, More than once haha
If someone has a fix pls shoot me a dm, don‘t want to pollude the Channel
spice spire
Yes, More than once haha
If someone has a fix pls shoot me a dm, don‘t want to ...
Last thing and a flyer. Do all that again, but before you do pick up the “member” role 
gusty mirage
Yes that‘s there but if i search for ptr it doesn‘t Show anything.
When clickin...
lemme double check something
try now
gusty mirage
that's the thing, I gave you the generic "member" role so if it was a role issue it should've just worked
I'll mess with the perms of the channel
try now
frozen jasper
Lets Go! It Works, thank you
brazen zodiac
oxi so cool!
light warren
could anyone explain feint? i tbh dont use it almost at all
spice spire
could anyone explain feint? i tbh dont use it almost at all
Dr on anything that is considered “aoe” now the aoe bit is where it gets confusing
But suffice to say if boss does explosion, you can press feint and it’ll help mitigate some damage
light warren
okay so like soaks?
spice spire
Yes
light warren
or what about zkarns fire breath
spice spire
Yes
light warren
is there a list somehwere lol
proven jasper
If you think itll work on something it most likely will
there are some weird cases for sure but for the most part
void mesa
or what about zkarns fire breath
yes but youll still die 🙂
analog mica
Do we know if sepsis in or out in s3
spice spire
It’s been a day, no
analog mica
Hey I’m impatient
spice spire
Everyone is
analog mica
spice spire
It’s safe to say until things are finalized we have strong hunches but don’t know what the build will be
Also new discord feature been fucky but #tww-assassination
light warren
what trinket should i be trying to farm?
I have dragon fire
on wowhead there really isnt much it says is decent
void mesa
Echo's class trinket > Beacon > OCE > Dice most likely?
light warren
whats oce
runic hinge
Chromatic essence
And it’s really good with all buffs. But you can high roll beacon and class trinket
strange python
The new tree paths are nicer. But man, they didn't fix the issue of having AoE and st all jumbled together
void mesa
Ominous Chromatic Essence, drops from Experiments raid boss
light warren
ye i am unucky with raiod drops lol
Cleared one yesterday not a single trinket or leather peice was even on loot table
void mesa
If you want to farm, its gonna have to be Freehold for the Harlan's Loaded Dice
digital raft
The new tree paths are nicer. But man, they didn't fix the issue of having AoE a...
I'll have to see what the sims say but this whole rework feels like a nerf for st but a pretty huge aoe buff. We'll see how it plays out
void mesa
are any of the mega dungeon stuff good?
Mirror is fine? Like not BiS but not terrible, tho it sincs weirsly
digital raft
Well a lot of passive damage is nerfed to compensate for the AOE buffs. Exsanginate is the wildcard now. The active seems better for ST and the passive for AOE, I wish they would just make that node modular and keep both but we'll see
Like assa is going to be substantially better in cleave now but single boss pulls look worse, I don't know
void mesa
With the amount of cleave tools we are getting, theres a chance they drop full ST tuning a bit, but also possible they dont
With KB very likely coming back were gonna be burstier tho
strange python
Well a lot of passive damage is nerfed to compensate for the AOE buffs. Exsangin...
The AoE changes are a give and take so far. It feels like they wanted to give some AoE but they really made it awkward to play around.
IC being passive and requiring stealth is going to feel like ass playing around in M+ all over again. Stealth resets are high priority and we still only get 1 vanish charge 😦
light warren
ive only ever seen this. how does the other one drop
void mesa
The same way
digital raft
From the notes, they already are dropping ST dps. Some of the passive poison and bleed talents were reduced to 1 point or nerfed. We're getting way more energy though so there should be less of a drop towards the middle of a fight though.
strange python
From playing a bit on the ptr yesterday it felt like energy Regen was fucked. I was constantly starved for energy even with a 300 resource pool.
digital raft
The AoE changes are a give and take so far. It feels like they wanted to give so...
The fact that multilate just does AOE with a talent is pretty huge. IC was nerfed so the damage ceiling in a massive pull is lower but swapping between fan to up poisons and then mutilate will be a much more interactive AOE rotation
strange python
Could be buggy
digital raft
Well there are a few things that are increasing costs, I didn't think it would make that much of a difference with the extra energy but that makes sense
rain oyster
Changes seem fun but button bloat is still giga
spice spire
From the notes, they already are dropping ST dps. Some of the passive poison and...
Yeah they also split DTB and KB even with a DTB nerf the interaction is still very powerful
digital raft
Changes seem fun but button bloat is still giga
Kind of why I'm hoping they go with the passive exsanguinate lol
rain oyster
Yeah lol
gilded oasis
Yeah they also split DTB and KB even with a DTB nerf the interaction is still ve...
you're powerful
strange python
I'm just hoping the sims are good.
spice spire
you're powerful
These days I’m mid power. 
gilded oasis
digital raft
Yeah they also split DTB and KB even with a DTB nerf the interaction is still ve...
I didn't realize they split those again, thats sweet
strange python
They split them and KB is right next to AP branching off from Zold
AP still looking like a dead talent with it's positioning
Buried under 4 mostly st talents
vapid sierra
drop aoe builsd
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spice spire
Looks dope
vagrant hearth
yeah specially hc one love it
vapid sierra
mythic 4 opnce has the best color scheme
spice spire
for Weapon runes?
Crit iirc
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lucid harness
Man wish that aoe kidney was a talent for all rogue specs gawd
light warren
is there a macro to apply all poisons
rain oyster
Yes google it
spice surge
Man wish that aoe kidney was a talent for all rogue specs gawd
Assa has iron wire and outlaw has the aoe blind. While not the exact same it is different options of aoe CC
worn sorrel
Iron wire has this big problem of being tied to our dps
balmy condor
That’s an overblown concern
You have vanish you have shadow dance you have sepsis that are all options
Restealths aren’t relevant
There’s a million ways to apply iron wire
worn sorrel
Yeah but with new IC you really cant afford to hold those
balmy condor
Why not
worn sorrel
Ofc you can play around it, but its worse than just being able to use it whenever you want
balmy condor
New IC is worse than old IC
So the impact is lower
So you shouldn’t feel as pressured
keen spruce
now that shadowdance is lookin like it has some potential i'm less worried about how iron wire stacks up against AoE kidney and blind
light warren
does any other race give another passive on rogue then night elf
gusty mirage
Lets Go! It Works, thank you
I'm glad I was able to solve it for you brother
frigid pilot
r u oxxi with two xs on wclogs?
u guys have the best execution kill on sark 
when i saw the log i was like
gusty mirage
r u oxxi with two xs on wclogs?
yes 
gusty mirage
I'm the boss bitch on that fight
frigid pilot
ok
oak sky
is rank 1 execution just least damage taken
grim tangle
least deaths then least damage taken
basically least damage taken while having 0 deaths
strange python
Whatcha all think about the changes coming to sin in 10.2
Think it'll put us at a good level?
balmy condor
too early to tell
oblique wasp
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oblique wasp
guys I need help with WA please - I can't find that WA which showed total amount of currently active garrotes and ruptures, just small icons of the spells ... do you know where I might get that?
balmy condor
I don't think I've ever seen something like that
oblique wasp
I don't think I've ever seen something like that
it was icon of garrote, icon of rupture and o them was number signalling how many of those are currently in circulation
balmy condor
yeah I understand the idea
I just don't think I've ever seen it
there's no real reason for it
oblique wasp
Im gonna cry I ahve been googling for two hours
balmy condor
it's one of those things that you could technically track but it doesn't give any benefit to know
oblique wasp
isnt it good to know due ot the energy regen? like ... to know, based on my gear, what is the right amount to not overcap energy?
balmy condor
you do it by feel
like you can see your energy bar
if it's constantly overcapped
well, that's too much
oblique wasp
yes I do
balmy condor
if you're constantly starved, probably not enough
oblique wasp
ok
balmy condor
if a pack is dying
you wouldn't want to refresh
you would want to just starve through it
if you're chain pulling you can make a different decision based on that and rupture snipe
you don't always want like 6 bleeds out or whatever
rotation is way more complicated than that
balmy condor
np
oblique wasp
can I please ask if there will be stream with discussion on new sin rogue rework and implications? I would very much like to hear that
balmy condor
my vod of testing yesterday was up
oblique wasp
oh
balmy condor
we're planning a podcast eventually
wowhead articles will be coming out in the next week or two
#tww-assassination has pins discussing
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fallen forge
how hard is it to learn sin rogue compared to something like outlaw? im mostly playing outlaw for m+ but I kinda wanna try raids for 10.2 and was thinking of going sin for raid
balmy condor
bout as hard as any other spec
errant swallow
I don't think I've ever seen something like that
I have that. Total active garrotes and ruptures.
fallen forge
bout as hard as any other spec
ty! also do you happen to know if the icyveins guide is updated? wowhead is blocked in my country 
errant swallow
I can help you with that @oblique wasp
balmy condor
ty! also do you happen to know if the icyveins guide is updated? wowhead is bloc...
should be
balmy condor
I have that. Total active garrotes and ruptures.
oblique wasp
I can help you with that <@385393577657630721>
thank you very very much ... I mean I understand it is not see all be all, but I always had it in my UI and now it kinda feels like missing. I am probably just old. Is it possible to send it to me?
errant swallow
Because I can brother
Please DM tonight in a couple of hours, kids still up. Then I can get on my pc and share it
errant swallow
ty! also do you happen to know if the icyveins guide is updated? wowhead is bloc...
Method guide is pretty fucking awesome too.
oblique wasp
Please DM tonight in a couple of hours, kids still up. Then I can get on my pc a...
alright
cerulean nest
tldr what did Max say about us
restive rune
they just reworked the talent three, not the playstyle?
analog mica
Max said your bald fat and stanky
sweet dawn
it was icon of garrote, icon of rupture and o them was number signalling how man...
It would be quite easy to make one yourself
if you already have a garrote icon even easier tbh
sweet dawn
Assuming the garrote/rupture icon has an aura trigger, you can add text and set it to %1.UnitCount and it will show a number of affected units
pulsar ether
is there a macro for mutilate to instead be ambush when you get blindside proc?
spice surge
Not possible
solar tangle
in the assa sepsis opener picture in the fAQ there is still iredius fragment in the opener - but in reality its not a good trinket right?
light warren
do we have good macro for dragonfire dispenser
storm forum
in the assa sepsis opener picture in the fAQ there is still iredius fragment in...
i think its supposed to be a placeholder for any on-use trinket
storm forum
do we have good macro for dragonfire dispenser
I wouldn't recommend it. If you're using double on use it's bad to macro it (want to maximize other trinket's usage and not accidentally put it on CD), and in M+ it's not recommended either (can waste charges at the end of packs). I did try binding it to env and mut and it didnt really help me so i just deleted those macros and put bombs where my KB used to be.
gilded oasis
its over all better practice to just have 2 keybinds for trinkets even if you "can" macro them to another ability.
storm forum
like you have bombs and a stat proc trinket?
light warren
huh
light warren
right now i have mark of drugal
storm forum
oh ok
yeah i still wouldnt recommend for M+
but in raid ST you could theoretically macro it to something you press often (mut or env) to maximize it's usage while not thinking about it
dont recommend it cause bad muscle memory though
gilded oasis
its just a better habit over all to have 2 keybinds. even if you dont have 2 on use right now you could in the future and youll be ready for it.. but I guess that wasnt the question 🙂
storm forum
dude we keep getting new abilities
ive had like 6 or 8 trinket binds in the past 3 expacs
that just keep getting manifest destiny'd by my spellbook lmao
gilded oasis
mines always on my mouse and shift the same one. has been since cata lol
mouse wheel right
ez
storm forum
mouse for me is movement, pvp targeting
gilded oasis
movement?
storm forum
autorun is mouse 3 and i have move forward on middle mouse
gilded oasis
oh idk. My mouse has12 side buttons, 2 buttons under mouse wheel and the mouse wheel has a click, right, and left bind
storm forum
and page up/down is targeting pvp macros
gilded oasis
my mouse does a lot
storm forum
oh damn
i need to use an ambidextrous mouse, and none of those have that many buttons
gilded oasis
unlucky
light warren
yea i only got 2 buttons
gilded oasis
need more buttons
storm forum
one of my friends taught me about using my palm to press ctrl
light warren
storm forum
and its been a game changer
light warren
these are my binds rn
gilded oasis
yeah slam that palm down
gilded oasis
ctrl > alt > shift
storm forum
need 2 of ctrl/alt/shift mods
to bind everything
although one of my old guildies used to have like a 20 button mouse
gilded oasis
yeah side buttons help you can utlize the numpad
storm forum
oh man one of my old guildies was 2 hands on the keyboard
like maplestory
used num pad for that too
kinda sick
gilded oasis
well the mouse keys are usually mapped to numpad since its just unused mostly
storm forum
oh i see
i thought they'd be "mouse button <x>"
cause my mouse buttons are registered like that
gilded oasis
theres only a few of those iirc and its usually like the top ones. Then the side ones get mapped to num1-0
storm forum
o i c
glacial lantern
The assassination tree still seem kinda weird not gonna lie.
It also seems to be yet again, quite invested into either aoe or st
gilded oasis
shy heron
One of my favorite weird keybinds is alt+~
gilded oasis
oh that one is a stretch haha. ~ is my stealth tho
velvet ridge
i love ass
balmy condor
oh that one is a stretch haha. ~ is my stealth tho
that's my stealth too
well, the key
I don't shift mod to ~
balmy condor
it's a good spec
rotund oak
i mean rotationaly
worthy timber
anyone else feel energy starved using vicious venoms?
rotund oak
no,having tea to press leaves no starving issues
austere fulcrum
anyone else feel energy starved using vicious venoms?
what would take instead ? also it is normal to have energy problems as sin rogue, idk how much u starve
gilded oasis
that's my stealth too
worthy timber
what would take instead ? also it is normal to have energy problems as sin rogue...
venom rush and twist the knife along with amplifying
worthy timber
crap! thought i was XD
austere fulcrum
Oh, yea i didnt think it is ptr related since here
I dont know the answer in this case xd
woven mango
hi new to the spec, just curious, how much of a dps boost is it when boss hits sub 35 w/ zoldyck and blindside?
balmy condor
15-20%
woven mango
oh, actually a decent boost nice
i was playing today and felt good to get more ambush in that window
ty
gaunt moat
I'm notorious in my guild for only playing assassination.
Now with rework, we got someone rerolling rogue, and he says he will only play sub 😂
oblique wasp
guys, how much is Haste important for Assassination right now? I ma re-doing my gear with limited options from Sub to Sin and I am struggling with getting haste if I want to keep mastery / crit on rating levels the good players are
keen spruce
not incredibly
but it's a fine stat
full crit mast is fine
some haste is good
my sim normally lands me in the ballpark of 15%ish
but like
extremely marginal vs full crit/mast
oblique wasp
ok I am worried as I have quite low haste and need to wait for spark for boots with haste, otherwise I am around 55% mastery and 39% crit without any consumes. Is that really bad please?
static glacier
That’s fine tbh
So long as you’re not all in on one stat you’ll be alright
Just sim to see the best option possible for your gear in bags and go from there
blazing jewel
stats dont matter as much as you think they do
good for optimizing but you dont need x amount of stat to play the spec right
oblique wasp
I know, I was looking at best of the best in terms of raid nad M+ calculated soem averages and medians, and tired to do my gems enchs and gear pieces to get close to it
balmy condor
oblique wasp
This is where I am sitting at, I wanted ot try and get it optimied as much because I know now people will be shitting on me in M+ pugs
balmy condor
keen spruce
i literally said it was fine
in my first response
if u want to optimize then ask the robot
oblique wasp
rotund oak
hard day at ravenholdt or what
gusty rampart
Making sure I read wowhead right, im supposed to use all 5 piece of the tier set?
clever sapphire
you are supposed to use the one raidbots tells you
keen spruce
Making sure I read wowhead right, im supposed to use all 5 piece of the tier set...
the wowhead gear list just shows you what the best item is for each slot from the raid
not the definitive "bis list" of your whole gear setup
trim fjord
i sim higher as sin and actually enjoy the spec... but my guilds telling me to play sub cause im not BiS for sin.... im only doing around 100k at 442 ilvl.. still figuring out what i do wrong. should i bother to listen?
clever sapphire
what are you doing as a sub?
keen spruce
what boss is your guild on
if it's not reclearing mythic then you should not listen to your guild
clever sapphire
(i would always play whatever i want, i know my class better than my guild is gonna know it)
river ember
Tell your guild they are morons
keen spruce
cuz full sub bis is like 95% bis for sin
river ember
^
keen spruce
or like 98%
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earnest remnant
@gaunt moat im keeping up the shtick
lone yarrow
what is the best phial and pot for assasination ?
gaunt moat
<@211181348361076736> im keeping up the shtick
I'm coming 😂
void mesa
Theres not really an option for pot, for phial sim
Usually Iced phial of corruption or Tepid Versa
main vessel
Guys, give it to me straight
Am I gonna need to update WoWAnalyzer or nah
Wrong channel
My bad
trim fjord
what boss is your guild on
Mag right now .. I know I'm messing up tho I went over my logs with someone need to use more envenoms but I'm always hovering around 100kish when we wipe 8%.. so I need to step it up
I sim 129 as sin 127 as sub .
spice surge
"Need" is a very strong word
spice spire
Brother?
storm belfry
You’re welcome
vapid sierra
shiv before or after dm
quick idol
shiv before or after dm
After
keen spruce
24% best pull
previous best was 34%
we made it right to the final go downstairs but a tank died
and i think if we live that and come upstairs with all of the sauce
then boss is deadge cuz not much else is going on after that
winged veldt
I feel you man. Got Sark to 17% and it all fell apart for us last weekend. Fingers crossed for tonight and tomorrow lol
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vapid sierra
yall on sark? we still on echo 💀
keen spruce
echo is a pain in the ass
i filled in on my warlock with my friend's guild last week for their first kill
that shit is 100x more cancer as ranged
but it was over 200 pulls for us on my rogue
quiet oar
and i think if we live that and come upstairs with all of the sauce
We got to the point now in rekills, that we dont go done
But that depends on dmg and heal tbh
keen spruce
yeah we were juggling the idea
I think we just get trucked by the dot too hard
and we're not exactly ahead on damage
keen spruce
I don't think it's worth
quiet oar
Both has its risk
keen spruce
i'm immuning 3rd black hole then it's just duress, stack go down
come up and blast
with the extra 30 second on the boss timer
doesn't seem like a huge risk
quiet oar
Thing is
keen spruce
we just kind of winged it
quiet oar
Idk we had Problems with it in rekills
Thats why we swapped
Because you dont know which puddle is old
And which is not
keen spruce
ping system gettin a lot of mileage
idk I don't have much trouble pickin out a fresh one
as long as everyone is grouped up well
i was surprised how cozy it felt
granted we had 4 dead dps
and a dead tank
so we went downstairs and everyone immediately died
but like the gettin to the downstairs was pretty easy lol
as a group
quiet oar
Yeah its Not hard
But people cant even track their debuffs in p1 and still get dazzled
Every second try
So
keen spruce
but going downstairs not only takes a huge load off our healers for the rest of the fight
but also takes care of a set of rocks
so we don't need to sack that 4th black hole
just soak it like the start of p1 then coast
keen spruce
yeah but you'd want to clear them with the 4th black hole right
quiet oar
Because i was the one who died 
keen spruce
that last ascension is the end of the fight right?
has to be
that would be at like 7:30
and our prot pala can just bubble that one while he's upstairs
so like we come up, dunno if we skip that duress? i'd assume we do
then just play black hole like the start of the phase
quiet oar
that last ascension is the end of the fight right?
Idk about the Timing changes
keen spruce
then basically just nothing
quiet oar
But probably
quiet oar
so like we come up, dunno if we skip that duress? i'd assume we do
Healer comes up faster probably pala and dispells
And you get up after
Iirc
Idk im Black hole bot
keen spruce
yeah same as p2->p3 intermission
healer comes up like 1 sec early and dispells
idk I think we'll make good prog tomorrow
although we're also about to lose some players
so who fking know
s
keen spruce
it's clearly not how they intended us to manage that mechanic
it was probably designed to have everyone stay up
then send like 1/2 the raid down with puddles
then the other hap
half
or do it in groups or something
cycling people in throughout p3
until at some point you just commit
but ain't nobody got time for that
keen spruce
i mean kinda like volcanic hearts on echo
everyone hated how toxic it was because it was like a pixel stack
but like you have multiple wall break opportunities
it was designed to break like 2-3 walls
then send bombs into different areas
but that was just never gonna happen with how hard that wall break dot trucked
so instead of suffering with that start until it got nerfed, they just found a more degenerate way to do it that everyone hates and calls bad design
when really it could have just been a tuning issue on the wall break dot
keen spruce
yes
there's also a ptr channel
right below this one
if you wanna see all the wacky stuff we're trying out
wraith cosmos
tyvm
errant swallow
guys I need help with WA please - I can't find that WA which showed total amount...
Here you go:
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gaunt moat
yall on sark? we still on echo 💀
We're re-progressing Zskarn 🥲
gilded oasis
this is the way
gaunt moat
this is the way
alpine juniper
Echoing rep seems like a dumb talent to work around, how do you do it?
plain onyx
Echoing rep seems like a dumb talent to work around, how do you do it?
keep it up all times, always use it before finishers
alpine juniper
keep it up all times, always use it before finishers
The problem I have is, sometimes it's empowering 2 and 3 combo points so trying to find abilities to generate less is tough
plain onyx
The problem I have is, sometimes it's empowering 2 and 3 combo points so trying ...
either finishers on FULL combo points or when you land on one of echoing's
alpine juniper
But don't try to game the lower ones?
clever sapphire
Nah its not worth to try and use like knife throw just so you get to 2 cp
You either land on it and press a finisher, or you dont land on it and play normally
There is no inbetween
alpine juniper
That makes me hate that talent significantly less ty
gaunt moat
But don't try to game the lower ones?
You press mutilate, you get 2cps cause no crit.. sad face. Now you get to finish as if you've just used 7cps! happy face.
what's to hate
brazen zodiac
smile
alpine juniper
You press mutilate, you get 2cps cause no crit.. sad face. Now you get to finish...
I have like 100% crit somehow I crit like every attack
gaunt moat
Show me your log 😛
clever sapphire
Show me your log 😛
Atleast take me on a date first 
olive moth
raidbots is suggesting mast/vers gems are my bis. am i being jebaited?=
eternal vortex
my sim made me go from 45% krit to 34% and got me replace all my gems to haste-krit gems so ye
rotund oak
raidbots is suggesting mast/vers gems are my bis. am i being jebaited?=
totally,raidbots is plotting against u
frigid pilot
kingsbane is back 🤮
limber lion
Literally the best talent ever made in the video game.
frigid pilot
Literally the best talent ever made in the video game.
nice flair you got there 
limber lion
nice flair you got there <:Kappa:675691839881216001>
Look deeper
frigid pilot
gusty mirage
Literally the best talent ever made in the video game.
Nah that’s watching you play rogue
limber lion
Nah that’s watching you play rogue
signal kayak
What happened to ptr channel?
spice surge
Nothing, its still here
signal kayak
Says no access for me :/
signal kayak
Need to do it from my desktop later then
topaz vine
Anyone had the issue when you sim that it says this. ?
"Main hand and off hand alternates cannot be the same item"
limber lion
Anyone had the issue when you sim that it says this. ?
"Main hand and off hand ...
It's exactly as it says
You have the same item equipped on both hands
You need to have 2 different items
You cannot just duplicate your main hand weapon, as cool as that would be
topaz vine
You cannot just duplicate your main hand weapon, as cool as that would be
but its what i have on. im trying to do a droptimizer
limber lion
but its what i have on. im trying to do a droptimizer
Did you do /simc in-game and just copypaste that?
limber lion
but its what i have on. im trying to do a droptimizer
And no, it's not what you have on
It's not physically possible to have the same dagger twice
topaz vine
And no, it's not what you have on
yes its simc in game 🙂
limber lion
Which droptimizer are you trying to use?
topaz vine
Which droptimizer are you trying to use?
hc raid 🙂
limber lion
link your simc
topaz vine
link your simc
willow falcon
I had the same issue trying to run droptimizer for past couple of days. Deleting everything from "gear from bags" till checksum worked for me.
not sure what the issue is tho, cause i for sure did not have two of the same weapons equipped
topaz vine
not sure what the issue is tho, cause i for sure did not have two of the same we...
Oh noo.. I dont even have any other daggers in there, to confuse it.. also 2 different daggers I got on, so i dont know.... I can try to move everything to my bank and see if it helps 🤔
pine ore
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
desert orchid
what rogue wa are you guys running?
modest glen
Says no access for me :/
Update discord app if you’re on mobile. Had the same issue
clever sapphire
balmy condor
what rogue wa are you guys running?
I use an edited version of afenars https://wago.io/a4RNXiGN8
static glacier
bless
loud gull
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
topaz vine
I had the same issue trying to run droptimizer for past couple of days. Deleting...
I removed all my gear from my bags, and it fixed it. ty ^^
desert orchid
@balmy condor, what's changed from the original?
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682>, what's changed from the original?
Removed some useless nonsense tracking, added improved garrote tracker and a sepsis tracker
Probably resized some stuff or moved it around
It’s pretty minor
grand trail
guys is this good suffering and sohpic uptimes ?
storm forum
Insane skill diff right there
grand trail
yeah skill 😄
sly wren
I'm using Hijacks
But also added improved Garrote to it
I suggested it to him as a perm addition
fallen forge
is there anywhere that details the differences between the different talent build playstyles? cant seem to find any on icyveins or pins
hushed fable
Jeez. I'm getting 3-4 procs on a 6 minute fight from Call usually.
grand trail
yeah i was lucky but sometime you need to be lucky for rnak 1 😛
my other logs was 80s
hushed fable
1 proc on Sark just before intermission inc.?
static glacier
i got my 457 class trinket this reset
reccomendations for what to run instead of dragonfire for short kills?
balmy condor
but also depends on how short we are talking
Shorter than oxi but not as short as you
dusk summit
I use an edited version of afenars <https://wago.io/a4RNXiGN8>
Is there an update of Luxo? I've tried using afenar but for some reason I can't get used to it.
wild flint
Hey! Any suggestions on good youtube content creator for gearing rotation builds etc?
slow needle
I heard our main man Whispyr recently got into youtube videos.
Otherwise everything you need is in #assassination-faq
median flicker
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
granite grail
I cannot tell if my damage is what its supposed to be for my ilvl or if my gear is just way off base. Looking at these guys cranking 150k+ on bosses and have no idea how 15 ilvls is gonna make me gain 55k lmao
sweet dawn
Just wanna say, Whispyr just saw your video on planning CDs and the Rashok example is super good and I'm gonna try use it for my next night of Rashok prog (0.8% best pull)
balmy condor
Just wanna say, Whispyr just saw your video on planning CDs and the Rashok examp...
Another fun thing about rashok is if you’re on prog right now, you should check if you’re able to get your 4 min Deathmark in execute
During our prog my 4min Deathmark was at like 36%
Holding a couple extra seconds to get it in execute is definitely worth it if you’re struggling with the enrage
keen spruce
rashok is a nice "intro-to-CD-management boss"
balmy condor
Yeah
keen spruce
a few small optimizations and not too overwhelming
keen spruce
certified hood classic
balmy condor
Just a solid dps check boss
keen spruce
which is very rewarding
like first time you get to enrage you're like "oh we're fucked we need like 15%"
sweet dawn
Yeah on most of the pulls we get him to 35% during the 2nd intermission, which is when i get my 4min DM
keen spruce
then over like a week or two you just randomly find the % by people getting better
sweet dawn
And that DM does almost as much damage as the one on pull with lust it's great
And I can get a 4th dm right at the very end (like 6:10 ish)
timid haven
I have a question. Currently is it worth maintaing CT on a single target dungeon boss? Or is it better to envenom?
balmy condor
it is worth but it's incredibly minor
timid haven
Thank you
thorny smelt
Guys im new to assassination and rogue in particular so i got the luxthos weakaura and got a talent build from wowhead and im confused looking at this icon it looks like one of the talents but im not sure why its showing up there
balmy condor
maybe thats the icon he uses to remind you to put poisons on?
idk
the icon is from venom rush
and there is actually nothing you need to do for venom rush
past forum
yeah im pretty sure that's the poison reminder
runic hinge
It is the poison reminder
balmy condor
why tf wouldn't he just make it the deadly poison icon
rotund oak
why tf wouldn't he just make it the deadly poison icon
assassination 📈 for 10.2
will literally have everything
lets go
gilded oasis
why tf wouldn't he just make it the deadly poison icon
mine is a derpy panda staring at me
polar sinew
will literally have everything
I'm scared that it will be too strong and nerf it patch by patch just like Ex
(45 sec to 3min then 100% to 80% and so on)
By the way, guys, do you think we will get some days the snapshot tech like it was at shadowland?
It was kinda funny to go fast as a sport car in open with it
balmy condor
I'm scared that it will be too strong and nerf it patch by patch just like Ex
(4...
That exsang nerf was purely because of the talent tree re-works and the Deathmark synergy having capstone level power in a non-capstone spot, not because it was inherently super op. Kind of a false equivalency to just tuning an entire spec after a rework
Also it’s like day 4
rotund oak
I'm scared that it will be too strong and nerf it patch by patch just like Ex
(4...
shouldnt be scared for anything
assassination is a very cool specc and the fact that it gets to have a kit for aoe makes it even better
im very excited for assassination,most likely try it out since im not a fan of dance for outlaw
polar sinew
Okok i see, yh same i loove this spec, can't wait for the S3 🥲
granite grail
Idk. Ive been playing sin in keys and it's not that bad tbh. Just a lot of manually applying dots
Really neat that you only need 3k to be top 50 in the world for sin too lmao
rotund oak
that like trying to mimic outlaw
u wanna torture urself before patch,try the pirate
assassination looks amazing with the new aoe stuff
cant wait for @marble hemlock testing it out and add his comment
the dude played assassination in highend keys
clever sapphire
assassination looks amazing with the new aoe stuff
after testing assa on ptr i cant play assa in keys on the current patch 
fierce sigil
after testing assa on ptr i cant play assa in keys on the current patch <:er_sad...
So is the playstyle completely different from current live?
And What is Ur opinion so far? Good or very good changes?
gaunt moat
We can't really comment on the gameplay too much when talents are still getting tuned and changed.
But basically you get passive cleave now
and carange works differently
polar sinew
Do we have something to do during the 2 months between now and 10.2?
I'm kinda bored of m+ and want to be prepared for the next season, but dunno what to do
gaunt moat
You can test PTR
Level another character
or like, play other games 🙂
I almost got my feral to 70
clever sapphire
And What is Ur opinion so far? Good or very good changes?
looks like fun, but as notter said changes are gonna happen still
polar sinew
I really only like to play rogue xd
I think I'm gonna afk farm for s3 i guess :b
clever sapphire
I really only like to play rogue xd
I think I'm gonna afk farm for s3 i guess :b
thought that too, arcane mage is pretty fun for me currently
frozen iris
I really only like to play rogue xd
I think I'm gonna afk farm for s3 i guess :b
AFK farm what for s3?
polar sinew
AFK farm what for s3?
Plants for new potions/flqsk
gaunt moat
looks like fun, but as notter said changes are gonna happen still
exsang changes look like they might be fun if they will work correctly.
passive cleave is fun.
some of the other changes are really anti-fun at the moment.
frozen iris
Ah I see.
gaunt moat
(fun is subjective ofcourse)
polar sinew
I have seen Whispyr videos and exsang looks doomed asf xd
gaunt moat
it'll be fine
polar sinew
You legit can't use one spell while it consume your energy
blazing jewel
It’s going to be tuned
gaunt moat
anyways, we sohuld probably discuss ptr changes in #tww-assassination
clever sapphire
wdym best downtime button, now you press exsang before going away from boss
polar sinew
Right 🤣
polar sinew
wdym best downtime button, now you press exsang before going away from boss
True 🤯
Is it too much to play with SD and Septi to play around garrot?
floral shoal
Really neat that you only need 3k to be top 50 in the world for sin too lmao
Rofl I am world 278
gusty mirage
Rofl I am world 278
you may be world 278, but you're #1 in my heart
marble hemlock
If you act like one I'll treat you like one. Expect many "good girl" responses in the future
Why is mobile discord so trash
acoustic chasm
Haven't checked sin faq in a while. The onyx annulet comment for nearly all of 10.1 isn't correct right? that nerf fully replaced it or should I just sim based upon what I got.
loud gull
!fuu
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floral shoal
(i FRICKEN HATE beacon)
I hated it at first too but it's nice if something has to die. Like right now. Totems last boss Brackenhide etc
rotund oak
after testing assa on ptr i cant play assa in keys on the current patch <:er_sad...
assa is beautiful
all i can say for now
rotund oak
Why is mobile discord so trash
never trust lawyers brother,they will lie for everything
analog mica
I hated it at first too but it's nice if something has to die. Like right now. T...
For raid, I mean
I crit I am cool, I don’t, and I’m not
clever sapphire
just never loot a bacon
now you dont have to worry about it
easy as that
trust me
i tested it the whole season
river ember
Any tips for using Vanish garrote on sark. Not seeing any general trends hardly on logs. Guild is starting prog tomorrow.
clever sapphire
when sepsis garrote on your opener is falling off, use vanish for even more stealth garrote
you will have sepsis garrote again for when sark comes up
cunning elk
hey y'all, I have a very dumb noobish question that I hope doesn't get asked a lot, but is there a race that is best for Rogue? does rogue already have a Shadowmeld as part of their class?
any info is helpful, I haven't even started leveling the class, just wondering if there's a real dumb interaction that I should avoid
I'm assuming it doesn't matter at all but the night elf thing kinda stood out as a relevant queston hah
gusty mirage
hey y'all, I have a very dumb noobish question that I hope doesn't get asked a l...
Shadowmeld is kinda meh for rogue in terms of damage output
but it can be super useful in dungeons & world content
because if you're quick enough you can shadowmeld -> stealth in dungeons
doesn't work on the boss fights in dungeons though
cunning elk
gotcha, that's helpful!
gusty mirage
also if a trash mob is targeting you with a spell you can meld and force them to recast it (preferably on the mage, because fuck mages)
cunning elk
ok well that I love
currently maining warlock and we're all dooming due to the upcoming demonology changes but yeah fuck mages
gusty mirage
rip demo lock 
cunning elk
I'm guessing mechagnome or something would be 'the meta choice' for raw DPS, just wondering maybe if there are any racials that make a difference or sync up well with the spec
cunning elk
rip demo lock <:PES_Salute:493353111822532629>
dooming hard, thank you for the condolences
gusty mirage
dwarf is a good one because of the crit damage bonus and stoneform is legit broken af
tauren as well
velf also surprisingly very strong, and yeah mechagnome has that stacking primary stat buff
they're all super close though
cunning elk
oh true, stoneform is actually busted. dark iron dwarf also seems good
might go tauren just for the fun of being huge and invisible
cunning elk
I love the idea of mechagnome but the t mog on small characters is kinda poop in my opinion
oh that's super helpful!
for warlock it was just troll and that got boring, not a fan of the troll hunch
gusty mirage
yeah that's the beauty of rogue you can legit pick whatever race you want
because top to the absolute worst is like 1.8kish dps
cunning elk
yeah that's really nice, I was playing undead at the start of DF and then I looked up how big of a difference it is to play troll instead
it was like 4% DPS increase to swap to troll
gusty mirage
yeah 4% is massive lmao
cunning elk
if it were significantly less I wouldn't have done it but 4% is fucking huge
hard to leave all that damage on the table hah
gusty mirage
yeah I mean I'm doing the megadungeon for that stupid dagger every week for like 1.something% dps
4% is a whole ass item slot upgrade
cunning elk
right?
rework racials, make PI only work on the priest that casts it, free me from my troll body
gusty mirage
PREACH
cunning elk
vastly prefer the look/head canon of undead warlock
but that doesn't matter anymore because they're ruining demonology
gusty mirage
I wish undead were better
cunning elk
yo same
gusty mirage
ngl female undead finisher animation
is one of the best in the game
front flip envenoms/eviscerates
cunning elk
oh I should look up some animations, good call
had to race change my tauren paladin because tauren look ridiculous when they jump
tbf, a cow jumping would also look insane
they just look like they break all of the bones in their legs when they land
it's awful imo
gusty mirage
tauren stealth animation is hilarious though
goblin one is A+
lil sneaky sneak
@brazen zodiac are you still a goblin rogue
cunning elk
goblin makes a ton of sense, I just wish small character t mog looked better. everything is designed around fitting humans, small characters tend to have everything all scrunched up in a way I don't love
and everyone knows having good t mog is the most important thing for high DPS
gusty mirage
and everyone knows having good t mog is the most important thing for high DPS
facts
thorny pond
May as well be fly as fuck if you suck
gusty mirage
goblin rogues stealthing up to the boss
gusty mirage
May as well be fly as fuck if you suck
I don't suck 
I beat the blue class on magmorax 2 weeks ago
thorny pond
FotM rerollers suck
gusty mirage
nah our new mage is an absolute gamer
thorny pond
in their USD store bought tmog
thorny pond
prolly a real mage
gusty mirage
volunteers for mechanics and everything
gusty mirage
spice spire
Dog
If I fucking have one more p1 wipe to someone not finding their spot
Multiple deep p2 pulls, haven’t seen it a ton, happens.
gusty mirage
tips on how to beat a mage: simply get 9 call to suffering procs and 6 sophic devotion procs
it's easy bro
just proc
spice spire
Then 5 p1 wipes in a row
gusty mirage
Multiple deep p2 pulls, haven’t seen it a ton, happens.
oh you haven't even gotten to the fun part yet
spice spire
the fun part is the weakaura boss in p3
Dog p3 should be GIGA neutralized at this point
Surely
We don’t wipe ad infinitum
gusty mirage
oh sweet summer child
spice spire
Surely
spice spire
Every single wipe is just someone fucking up
gusty mirage
did you have the p1 wipes where your tank surfs down the wall instead of through it yet?
spice spire
I’ve even done it
gusty mirage
those are mint
spice spire
did you have the p1 wipes where your tank surfs down the wall instead of through...
Bad like 4/5 of those
gusty mirage
they'll fix it eventually
spice spire
Surely
gusty mirage
but yeah echo is legit payphone territory for melee
spice spire
10.2
gusty mirage
you're legit just playing with your balls while everyone else figures everything out
cunning elk
did you have the p1 wipes where your tank surfs down the wall instead of through...
had this so many times last week
gusty mirage
remember when they said they don't want bosses to require WAs in 9.2?
then they gave us lords of dread
and now echo
gusty mirage
drifting cloud
gusty mirage
I don't remember if there was a boss where you needed a WA in vault
ig dathea to track the boss casts so you don't get marks flying back down from the platform?
oh
brood
how silly of me, how could I forget that wonderful boss fight
keen spruce
i think you could have done all of vault
w/o any WAs
RL could ahve just called all of the dathea stuff
with raid frames and bigwigs
agile osprey
Wasn't there a little map wa you used to split the group into 2 lines?
keen spruce
I didn't do mega this week 
agile osprey
and I need to run it still tonight
keen spruce
agile osprey
Kriz and I got on but neither of us had tank/healer ready to go
keen spruce
I'm gonna be gone this afternoon actually
gotta drive my mom to the airport and go visit my best friend
he has new baby
agile osprey
Exciting. You planning on being back at all tonight? I have raid 9 est
If not we go agane tomorrow
and just figure it out this week
brazen zodiac
https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-tip-toe-sneak-gif-14828116
thinking about all the pulls saved cause you rocket jump into a soak
goblin 4 life
hi oxi cx cx cx
balmy condor
You drop either helmet or chest usually
storm belfry
they'll fix it eventually
lavish hazel
earnest remnant
what debuff?
slim hamlet
Oppressing howl
earnest remnant
cannot immune that no
or do you mean the dot?
after you clear?
then yes
the dot is cloakable
for some reason my brain thought opressing howl was the 2 stack debuff he gives you at the start
it is nvm
i was not being stupid
Echoing Howl is cloakable
spice spire
Probably wouldn’t cloak the howl though, at any level, yeah?
spice spire
Glitter and the clear damage can just fuck you up
slim hamlet
Yea I would like to cloak last disentegrate into glittering sparks
Can I do it from start, or do I gotta wait until my last stack is cleared
spice spire
Oh I thought you were deadass asking to cloak the howl cast 💀
nocturne mountain
sup guys, if some1 can help me with loganalysis pls feel free to dm me need big help
balmy condor
sup guys, if some1 can help me with loganalysis pls feel free to dm me need big ...
use wowanalyzer
nocturne mountain
use wowanalyzer
alr did it, tells me im doing everything almost fine still cant manage to get good logs
balmy condor
link them
nocturne mountain
drifting cloud
no monk, wf and slow kill timers sure dont help
nocturne mountain
ye ofc. but im acctually thinking like im playing the class wrong or smth
balmy condor
nah
nocturne mountain
like just misssing a key point in rotation
balmy condor
it's just garbage gear, bad kill times, and missing raid buffs
nocturne mountain
ok, any tips bout gear optimisations?
balmy condor
looking at one of your better logs you're 443
so
optimization there would be "get better gear"
signal badger
Trust the robot
nocturne mountain
ye obvioulsy
balmy condor
crafted gear is 447
drifting cloud
dont use irideus
signal badger
His rashok opener looked correct
balmy condor
aight cause technically with the kill time here, sepsis at 0:30 is a giga brain move
this vanish is a little less giga brain
oh
yeah
it gets worse
this isn't how you play sepsis
signal badger
The old vanish garrote for 5cp
keen spruce
drifting cloud
wish whispyr would roast my logs 😳
nocturne mountain
dont laugh but im currently using hekili cuz im getting back into rogue like didnt play for a while came back recently
balmy condor
AAAAAAAAAA
nocturne mountain
and i just press the buttons it tells me tbh
signal badger
Lol
balmy condor
gottem
fallen forge
Are we not supposed to press ambush while sepsis is active until we refresh garrote?
earnest remnant
wish whispyr would roast my logs 😳
i tried that ryler
signal badger
Are we not supposed to press ambush while sepsis is active until we refresh garr...
Might be a mut proc
balmy condor
turn it off, congrats on your +15% dps
balmy condor
Are we not supposed to press ambush while sepsis is active until we refresh garr...
in that screenshot he's consuming the sepsis buff with ambush
fallen forge
Might be a mut proc
Yeah I was wondering if the mut proc gets overridden by the Sepsis thing but never tested it bc I have double digit iq
static glacier
What I learned today: hekili results in gigabrain plays Whispyr can barely comprehend
balmy condor
even if he wasn't consuming it with ambush
signal badger
Nope it will consume mut proc first
earnest remnant
@drifting cloud this was unhealthy for my ego that day
balmy condor
so it's kinda doomed regardless of how you look at it
drifting cloud
<@113078189701513216> this was unhealthy for my ego that day
fallen forge
There’s a sepsis wa?
static glacier
I miss SBS, better times back when we had ranged dps
balmy condor
I mean if this is your sepsis
static glacier
True n real
signal badger
Rashok looks like he figured it out, or maybe the add on did 
balmy condor
you shouldn't play sepsis
static glacier
Bro got some ambushes into his sepsis, what did you get, depression and nihilism?