assassination

[balmy condor]

right now it's pretty close yeah

sub likes vers a lot more

but both specs main secondary is crit as it stands

mastery being good for both specs as well

[crimson plinth]

Perfect so what’s for you the best spec to introduce rogues into a newbie? 😄

[balmy condor]

well I'm the assassination guy

so if you're going to ask me, assassination comes the most naturally

[crimson plinth]

I understand, thank you very much for your tips

[vapid sierra]

playing sin mid echo prog because i dont feel like breaking my wrists on outlaw lol

this shit feels so good to play

multidotting add in p2, pure st spec and it works so good you dont sacrifice any st like outlaw does

[gaunt moat]

Delete outlaw amirite?

[balmy condor]

yeah, you don't sacrifice any st like outlaw does because you don't aoe

[blazing jewel]

blindside in execute makes the good brain chemicals come out

[balmy condor]

can't sacrifice single target if all you do is single target

[gusty mirage]

based

[gaunt moat]

when you proc blinside 6 times in a row

[blazing jewel]

indeed

[crimson plinth]

Could you guys also recommend a page to see talents and gear for assassination?

[gilded oasis]

#assassination-faq should have most of it that you need for talents rotational stuff etc

dont remember if gear is there

[gaunt moat]

it does

[crimson plinth]

Perfect thanks!

[gaunt moat]

@crimson plinth last note: check pinned messages in this channel, they always have the most recent important changes

[vapid sierra]

i mean your whole aoe is just drop dots on second target and refresh them without letting it drop on first and second target

how much worse is it than bf tho?

[balmy condor]

a good chunk

[vapid sierra]

really? even with poison bomb going off?

also im assuming i hold my second dm for when boss goes into p2 since i dont wanna burn him below 60%?

[balmy condor]

if I tell you yes are you going to ask me another time if I'm sure?

[balmy condor]

depends on your guilds strat, we don't hold for p1->p2 anymore on nelth

[vapid sierra]

i wont ask you because i doubt your knowledge lol, you know the most about the spec out of the 8 billion people that live on this planet

its because i forget

i should use discord search more lol

[balmy condor]

assa used to be the 2 target king

for a long time

[vapid sierra]

yeah holding doesnt seem bad, when i send dm my third dm lines up with sepsis so i just redo the opener

[balmy condor]

and then outlaw cried that they're the cleave spec

and assa went to 60apm

[vapid sierra]

10.2

what apm was assa before?

[balmy condor]

and now you can't even use the extra energy from the 2nd target

and so now it's just doomed

[vapid sierra]

above 60?!/

[balmy condor]

40-45 at the start of an expac, 50, maybe 55 tops at the end of an expac

[vapid sierra]

because of haste scaling?

[balmy condor]

not entirely

but in part yes

[vapid sierra]

interesting

im leveling a sin rogue on wotlk classic

[balmy condor]

as the expac goes on, there's just more borrowed power typically

gear scaling stuff like crit means other things that give energy to use that crit become better

[blazing jewel]

what will the gimmick of next tier be

[balmy condor]

a new tier bonus

[vapid sierra]

i see

i wonder if after my two sepsis garrotes i can vanish and extend and have it up by the time i use dm because im holding dm

im gonna try that shit out fuck the math

prog pulls dont matter

[night delta]

My guess would be tier that makes shiv insane, to incentivize KB which has been a dead talent this patch

Since overcorrecting is blizz' forte

[blazing jewel]

tiny toxic blade dealing 1% of boss hp incoming

[vapid sierra]

what even is the gameplay mechanic of kb

is it just sepsis

without the stealth ability

[blazing jewel]

you hold double shiv for it

every minute

[night delta]

The more you poison the target during KB, the nastier it becomes

So yeah, double shiv, ensure 100% melee and envenom uptime pretty much

[vapid sierra]

100 melee as in autoattacking

or clicking something and dumping envonem

[blazing jewel]

nono 100 melee beefy boys hitting the boss

[night delta]

Auto and mutilates

Since mut is 2x chance to apply poison

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor for a 2:30 kill what do you reckon would be better

use vanish to just chain imp garrote

and then hold sepsis for 2nd dm?

or just rip it normally and save vanish for DM?

[gusty mirage]

vanish and chain imp garrote

then you'd just hold sepsis a bit to make sure it covers deathmark

cause you're only getting 2 casts of bepsis anyway

[earnest remnant]

yeah would just be a what 8 sec hold or smth like that

[gusty mirage]

ya something like that

[earnest remnant]

just going over my assa vod

[gusty mirage]

it's roughly a 10s hold in my brain

[earnest remnant]

tryna find some improvements

[gusty mirage]

which could be wrong

cause I'm absolutely fried atm

[earnest remnant]

seems right

i delayed it 2 sec due to my brain

and had 8sec im my brain watching it back

so 10 is probs right

[balmy condor]

Yeh what oxi said

Doesn’t really matter how long you hold

Latest would be 1:56

[earnest remnant]

been enjoying assa on reclear this week

[balmy condor]

Cause sepsis gar lasts 34 seconds

[earnest remnant]

nice change of pace

[gusty mirage]

yea it's comfy in raid rn

the sepsis stuff has been legit a gamechanger to the enjoyability

the sbs opener felt a bit clunky

[earnest remnant]

yeah its quite fun to play

[gusty mirage]

we loved sbs on terros

needed to wait for the bone spike to hit his boner

cause his hitbox was where his dick is

[earnest remnant]

need to fix my sark shit

i played that bad this week

[gusty mirage]

I'm convinced there's no good way to play that boss

it just plays like shit

scuffed ass timers for everything

[earnest remnant]

nah i actually just played wrong

like i didn't use vanish until p2

[gusty mirage]

as long as you didn't DM the add coming up in p2

[earnest remnant]

and i did vanish into sepsis

[gusty mirage]

cause it'd be awkward if you did

ya know

[earnest remnant]

like instantly

[gusty mirage]

my fav stealthi moment

me: "where the fuck did my bleeds go"

"you DM'd the add"

"NO SHOT"

[earnest remnant]

that was a fun night

had me laughing for a bit

[gusty mirage]

I'm good at the game I promise

[earnest remnant]

looked back on my Sark vod

had 5 BS procs back 2 back

[gusty mirage]

yep

[gilded oasis]

[earnest remnant]

if i only get 1 DM in p3 of Sark

[gusty mirage]

something'sbeen weird about bs

[earnest remnant]

is it worth to hold it for pot?

[gusty mirage]

since the hp change

I would yeah

plus guaranteed to get it in execute range too

big stonks

[earnest remnant]

oh it is

we force phase in p2

so

[gusty mirage]

oh right

colour shenanigans

[earnest remnant]

im gonna do unholy boss dmg

on thursday 🙂

[blazing jewel]

Normally I would think you send it at start of p3 with the haste but since they push early you can’t really do that

[earnest remnant]

yeh its not up

this is when i get up

3:45 xD

[gusty mirage]

I mean ultimate power pot > 50% haste

in terms of damage gains

[blazing jewel]

Thats actually so cursed

[gusty mirage]

bro

[gilded oasis]

blastin

[gusty mirage]

don't screenshot it with the pause button

I tried unpausing it like 3 times

fuck you

[blazing jewel]

Is pot actually better than the haste

[gilded oasis]

LOL

[earnest remnant]

so i should just rip Sepsis when i get up

chain the vanish

[gusty mirage]

886 agility vs just haste?

[earnest remnant]

hold next sepsis for dm + pot

[gusty mirage]

faster ticking dots and autos

vs everything you do hitting harder

does haste affect autos still

I don't remember

[gilded oasis]

as long as sepsis is back for dm or before you know what I mean

[blazing jewel]

I think you would send your last sepsis in the tier set window for more sepsis dam

If you have vanish for dm

[gusty mirage]

ya

as long as you have imp garrote for deathmark

and you won't lose a cast

go wild

[blazing jewel]

Would just have to plan your shivs because you’d for sure want to hit the sepsis shiv in tier set

[earnest remnant]

im more just thinking as much imp garrote during execute as possible

i have a brain scana i track the cd

[gusty mirage]

all I know is if stealthi is playing assassination

this tier needs to end now

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

it's gone on for far too long

[earnest remnant]

ill have u know ive always played assa

i just dont prefer it

[gusty mirage]

we're like 3 weeks away from you playing outlaw out of boredom

[earnest remnant]

nah

[blazing jewel]

Track rashok waves

[earnest remnant]

track your dmg on rashok?

where u at lilbro?

[gusty mirage]

scana in shambles after stealthi usurped him as the gigachad assassination rogue

[blazing jewel]

[earnest remnant]

show up first time

smoke him

unfort

go next

[blazing jewel]

Never lucky

[thick sail]

Hi Assassination friends. Did our 5% buff go through yet?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[thick sail]

Very cool, /excited

[gusty mirage]

we do be cranking a bit of a ST

[blazing jewel]

Stealthi got gear checked on mag

Feels bad

[earnest remnant]

i got healer checked unfortunately

as gromnak wouldve said

HOW ABOUT SOME FCKING PRIO HEALING

[blazing jewel]

Grom is every healing officers dream

[earnest remnant]

need to look into my nelth as well

that was a shit show

[blazing jewel]

I almost don’t think it’s possible for you to get r1 on nelth

Your guild is too powerful

[grim tangle]

true because r1 is mine

[earnest remnant]

i dont really care about that

[blazing jewel]

Boss is immune for 2/3 of p2

[gilded oasis]

gross

[earnest remnant]

well when p1 is only 1:25 sec

it is what it is

[thick sail]

Quick inquiry: for assassination in M+ and raid, does Iron Wire work on bosses?

or only trash?

[balmy condor]

It has to silence to apply

You can’t silence bosses

And some bigger mini-boss type mobs are immune to silence

[eternal vortex]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[austere fulcrum]

Half mil envenom crit feels so good

[soft shale]

i like what i see

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-4445288

[quiet oar]

Its cheat

dont get seduced

[soft shale]

i got lazy and didnt recraft everything for today's raid

but i will for wednesday

wonder how assa does with 6900 mastery

[quiet oar]

69

[balmy condor]

keep that shit in sub hacha

[near valley]

Ez clap

[balmy condor]

your stupid mastery stacking memes aren't welcome here

[near valley]

[royal lantern]

wdym

im a crit/mastery enjoyer

[quiet oar]

What was the Crit and haste cap

[balmy condor]

yeh but you aren't stacking 8k mastery just to gamba high roll a single envenom

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

and then showing it off for the next month

[near valley]

Cheesin

[soft shale]

nah envemons never go that high and crit mastery is better in general just getting to use normal gear it is just the engi head/wrist that makes it higher

but crit is still at 48% with runes and phial

[near valley]

Just play outlaw and main gauche ur way to victory

[soft shale]

it was funny in bfa with mastery stack gauche was like 20%+ of my dmg

[near valley]

Good stuff

[clever sapphire]

how do you even get that high, i dont even have 3k mastery

[balmy condor]

dunno, ask the augvokers

those guys be stacking mastery until their eyes bleed

I saw a screenshot from an augvoker with 9k mastery

shit was ridiculous

[clever sapphire]

im not touching anything evoker related

i dont even wanna know about them

[quiet oar]

I mean the magmo neck

has 1K alone

[marble hemlock]

I'm at like 7.4k crit

[valid leaf]

VP neck also

[near valley]

I had like 8k on my devo tbf

It's not that hard to stack a stat

[valid leaf]

I have 10k mastery on aug

But i do not play that dragon bullshittery tried it dont like the way it feels when you pug

U buffin people unable to play their class makes no sense

[normal glacier]

When do you use vanish in the opener? I presume it's to gain improved garrote but we kind of have that already from opening + first sepsis and then again after sepsis ends?

So are we using vanish like 30 seconds in?

[pure moth]

no, we save it for the 2 minutes DM to extend improved garrote.

[normal glacier]

Ah got it

Why does the faq presume that vanish will be on cd on 2min dm then? And is suggesting to hold dm for an extra 5 seconds? On improved garrote timings

[pure moth]

we just dont need vanish in opener because we already get the improved garrote from sepsis

[normal glacier]

gotcha

[woeful meteor]

Thats the 4 min dm

[normal glacier]

Misread in that case, apologies. And thank you

[woeful meteor]

Since you still habe imp gar at 2 min flat from 1:30 sepsis you delay have to delay vanish by like 5-10 sec

[grand trail]

My assa is kinda stack with mastery too

And when I sim 447 ominous essence it want me to go mastery too

[pure moth]

Yeah sims wanted me to go more mastery when i have alot as well. Just follow the sims and youll be fine.

[pseudo hamlet]

My gear is so balanced it shows me that 441 neck from the VP is better than crafted 447 one. It also shows me that Obsidian Attunement is highest DPS from Chromatic Ominous Essence.

[grand trail]

i cant make 450 crit haste ring be upgrade sadge

so cant need on it 😄

[blazing jewel]

That ring should be bis

Just have to shift crit off of other pieces

[gusty mirage]

needs a socket to beat the crafted rings

cause a socket on jewelry is worth like 10ish ilvl

[royal lantern]

sockets are my nemesis

sark belt?

fuck you, wait a week for socket, cus socket makes old belt better

[cerulean nest]

any particularly kind souls in NA willing/able to stack for my time dagger tomorrow? 😳❤️

[gusty mirage]

you think we have it?

lmao

[cerulean nest]

casting a net here

[subtle kiln]

imagine not having 12 coins constantly in storage due to shit vaults.

[austere fulcrum]

How much mastery we talking here

[royal lantern]

imagine having more then 1vault slot a week

playing the game

[subtle kiln]

yeah i mean 1 hour in heroic takes way too much work

[gusty mirage]

imagine playing wow

who would do that

amirite

[blazing jewel]

[vestal wren]

[blazing jewel]

It’s time to manifest greatness

You will loot the sark items

Envision it

[spice spire]

Manifest this pal

[gusty mirage]

I have them all

the fuck else am I supposed to loot

[subtle kiln]

about as useful as me manifesting @spice spire for keys

[gusty mirage]

I got the cloak, the dagger, the gloves, the belt, and the mount

[cobalt hemlock]

wow

[blazing jewel]

What the

I saw you got a knife

[gusty mirage]

I got the cloak before I ever saw a dagger

[blazing jewel]

Didn’t know you had everything now

[gusty mirage]

how does that make you feel

[blazing jewel]

You get knife #2 now

[gusty mirage]

nah

want megadungo knife

only 450 I'm missing is echo ring

[blazing jewel]

It doesn’t exist

It’s what a 6% per week

Thought I saw that number being said for the drop chance

[gusty mirage]

its okay man

next week for sure

[cobalt hemlock]

mythic anschull has to do crazy dmg

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire do we finish gearing blackvneck or make a mirror rogue

for shiggles

[gusty mirage]

you couldn't pay me enough money to play beacon again

fuck that trinket

[blazing jewel]

Yea not needing to think about fight timers and praying for crits is real nice

[cobalt hemlock]

why do you dislike it? i mean i never got that beacon

[gusty mirage]

cast time in opener

hoping it crits

[blazing jewel]

Sin plays like 40% crit? And if you don’t crit your beacons your parse is fucked

[gusty mirage]

I love going for 0/3 on beacon crits

it's the best

46% crit chance

went 0/3 as sub too before

and with cloak proc

I'm at 64% crit

[cobalt hemlock]

oh boy

[gusty mirage]

and if you don't crit

you're just down 5-7k dps

instantly

[cobalt hemlock]

you got mythic bomb dispenser?

[gusty mirage]

yes

I'm complete bis outside of echo ring & megadungeon oh dagger

[cobalt hemlock]

jealous i lost it to our monk tank

[blazing jewel]

Do we get to 450 ilvl with everything

We have to get close right

[gusty mirage]

no

[blazing jewel]

Rip

[gusty mirage]

well I guess

if you equip beacon + nelth trinket

double 450

450 nelth ring

[spice spire]

Ain’t no way

[gusty mirage]

sark cloak

[spice spire]

Black v

[gusty mirage]

you could in theory get close

but idk if that's enough

[blazing jewel]

I’m at 449.3 with the normal setup on

[gusty mirage]

449 is for the evokers bro

[blazing jewel]

Without the 450 ring

[gusty mirage]

i mean you're also not bis

if you're running beacon + nelth trinket

and double 450 daggers

lol

[blazing jewel]

It’s for the clout

[gusty mirage]

you killed sark like 3 months before most of the mythic raiders

is that not enough clout?

[blazing jewel]

No because I grey parsed

[gusty mirage]

so?

lol

wait

you guys only beat us by 12 days?

fuckin washed

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

bring rae back on god

[blazing jewel]

Rogue was the issue on god

[gusty mirage]

it's very important for sarkareth

[blazing jewel]

We are so highly impactful on that fight

[cobalt hemlock]

dont forget the crazy 3% dr you give

[gusty mirage]

12 days was 123 ranks

wild

[blazing jewel]

Did pretty decent on nelth prog kill

We should have killed so much sooner than we did

Like over a week tbh

[gusty mirage]

I remember

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

118k playing sub?

shitter

[blazing jewel]

Was playing ethical

[gusty mirage]

mhm

talk tome about ethical

look at that boss dam

[blazing jewel]

Same here lol

[gusty mirage]

dark times bro

[blazing jewel]

Got gapped by bossfuckerx

[gusty mirage]

really dark times

"what spec do I play on sark?"

"doesn't matter at all you're useless on all 3"

[blazing jewel]

Bro I’ll never forget

[gusty mirage]

people called me crazy for playing assassination on it

idk

[blazing jewel]

I was counting the ticks during exsanguinate with the haste buff because in my head “there is no way I’m this shit why isn’t it doing damage”

[gusty mirage]

last time I ever saw this btw

was the sark kill

[blazing jewel]

Bro after the first sin buff “Scana can you play the good spec”

When I was specced sin for sark already

[gusty mirage]

just seemed like a no brainer

[blazing jewel]

they WANTED sub for sark lmfao

[gusty mirage]

cause like the haste is at least somewhat useful

vs practically useless

[blazing jewel]

And cds at the time lined up better

[gusty mirage]

yeah you got a solid DM every phase

and one in execute

[blazing jewel]

Because sub was playing stiletto flag at the time

Which was cursed timings

[gusty mirage]

it's still cursed timings

dw

just less noticeable

because we just melt the boss now in p3

thanks augvokers

[blazing jewel]

Speaking of that

If I’m not on bomb duty

[gusty mirage]

they put you on bomb duty?

lmao

[blazing jewel]

When is the best time to dm if you said it’s worth it to hold for pot

Is it right at 5 or are mechanics happening

[blazing jewel]

Yea for 3 kills I think

[keen spruce]

I have to do a bomb in p3

if we ever get there

[blazing jewel]

Is it second set second bomb

That’s usually the rogue bomb

[keen spruce]

ye

[blazing jewel]

It’s pretty free

Nothing really happening during that

[keen spruce]

I feel like with the 30 extra seconds

we should only send like big haste juicers down

or really bad dps to sac to meteors

[blazing jewel]

You will get a black hole forced on you that bomb set

That you immune with cloak

[grim tangle]

I don't have to do any bombs because they know I'd fuck it up

[keen spruce]

ik i'm sayin we should just take someone doin tank damage and send them down then let them die to meteor

[blazing jewel]

The extra 30s seems like a decent sized nerf

Can actually live the last two duress dispels now

[gusty mirage]

based

my 2 brain cells can't process more than I already have to do on that boss

[blazing jewel]

Rogue being bad aside

After the swirl color change

Sark was a really fun boss

[keen spruce]

i'm enjoying it

except for the p3 transition

we're running DH pala tanks

and it seems like the timing is just very finikey

[blazing jewel]

Is your pala dwarf

[spice surge]

I think p1 is phenomenal, rest of the boss is okay

[keen spruce]

no but will probably be next week

[blazing jewel]

Was going to say if he isn’t crowdfund that change asap lol

[keen spruce]

because we were realizing how fucked it is

like bopping DH

then sending up an hpal exactly one global before everyone up

after pillar spawn right before we all expire

to dispell dh

and we're lookin at it like

[blazing jewel]

Are you doing the all go down strat at the end

Or burning boss

[keen spruce]

yeah this is gonna cause roughly 7000 wipes

idk we haven't gotten that far

[blazing jewel]

If you go down you kinda need a dwarf pala for that

[keen spruce]

i'd imagine we're gonna burn boss

well

idk

out damage kinda ass

our*

[blazing jewel]

Your damage seemed fine for that

Especially with the longer timer

[keen spruce]

troo

once you're in p3 there's not too much happening during most of it

[blazing jewel]

Was slightly behind where you want it but it will come with more pulls

[keen spruce]

so people can kinda just blast

[gusty mirage]

I think you're phenomenal

[spice surge]

[restive falcon]

Rogues doing bombs

[cerulean nest]

they're having me do one too

[restive falcon]

I don’t wanna do one on reclear now that our 1 dk is frost and not unholy

[thorn fjord]

3 weeks 3 hour glass trinket no dagger

Fucking A

[keen spruce]

tomorrow surely

[pure moth]

I know 2 people getting it tomorrow

[fast zodiac]

you are not alone

[keen spruce]

[thorn fjord]

Tomorrow is my bday

Maybe I’ll get lucky

[spice spire]

That’s how you get another baby

Cmon dog

[runic hinge]

I still need to get in there this week

[balmy condor]

Idk if the cross-species thing is how you get another baby, beastiality also highly illegal

[spice spire]

You’re on one today holy

[balmy condor]

Bro you keep tossing me layups and I’m like lebron I just be a menace within 8 feet of the hoop man

I’m slamming that shit down

[blazing jewel]

Say quakes forbidden word

[spice spire]

You sass me again I’m gonna be slamming that shit down you I s2g

[marble hemlock]

Meow

[spice spire]

Delete this nephew

[thorn fjord]

Thats also on the menu

[blazing jewel]

Quake the type of dude to bark at George when he wants to go on a walk

[spice spire]

?

[gusty mirage]

[near valley]

True

[subtle kiln]

Daddy

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/pepesaber-pepe-frog-dance-move-gif-16717201

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flL_2awF-QI
Daddy dj please take me to the party

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/yeyoung-choi-yeyoung-girls-planet999-meow-meow-roar-gif-23555350

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

I hate it here

[calm ravine]

anyone also have troubles with raid progress reset today? we had 3\9 and now again 0\9

[spice surge]

This is a channel for discussing the assassination spec of rogues in world of warcraft

[blazing jewel]

This is OT3

[keen spruce]

[gilded oasis]

Don't be a liar

[spice spire]

I don’t lie

[spice surge]

Especially his hips

Hips dont lie

[gilded oasis]

[blazing jewel]

[thorn fjord]

HIPAA dont lie

Amirite? @spice spire

[void mesa]

[keen spruce]

[dawn haven]

what in the holy god mother fucking has been happening here

[void mesa]

[balmy condor]

Waiting for 10.2

Nothing to see here

[dawn haven]

Ah, my mistake.

[void mesa]

just your regular #assassination conversation

[dawn haven]

conversations here

[void mesa]

[clever sapphire]

man i feel bad, gave an assa rogue a reality check in m+

[void mesa]

did you bully someone for playing sin?

or because they were bad?

[clever sapphire]

i beat him by 30k in overall with 10 ilvl less

does that count

[void mesa]

[balmy condor]

They’re playing sin in m+, they’re already bullying themselves

[dawn haven]

Rip zerocool

[void mesa]

oh definitely, but no need to add to the bullying

[balmy condor]

Bro played sub until this week

[clever sapphire]

it was fun, cause i knew when he was pressing cooldowns and it still didnt matter

[balmy condor]

Even he jumped ship

[dawn haven]

Bro he's still the #1 sin from s2 start

[keen spruce]

then he came back and slapped a 29 uld with no priest

[dawn haven]

no cap

[keen spruce]

like a mad lad

[balmy condor]

Yeh

He did a couple of high assa keys earlier this week too

[dawn haven]

Absolute gigachad

[balmy condor]

Post-buff

Which like

He also said that damage was never the issue when timing those keys

So idk

[dawn haven]

Most of the time it isn't tbh.

People just cry about it a lot.

[balmy condor]

Yeh

But then why wait for buffs

[dawn haven]

BECAUSE I WANT BIG NUMBERS

[balmy condor]

You’re so real for that

[earnest remnant]

living high tyran uldaman as a rogue is a

mission and a half

[blazing jewel]

Bansh is playing with the squad of bm sp havoc again

Meta comp just makes things easier

But not required

[dawn haven]

Honestly I just like watching critcake force warrior into everything

[earnest remnant]

depends on what you mean with required

go to high enough keys

and its only them that can live it

[blazing jewel]

At this point to play the game lol people still think it’s mandatory to play that for 25s

[earnest remnant]

well it wasent before either for 25s

[void mesa]

the meta perception is making the meta comp even better

which is sad 😦

[earnest remnant]

but thats not what im talking about

[dawn haven]

Man people are not inviting me to 17's because I'm a rogue

fml

[blazing jewel]

Yea for r1 keys it’s required I’m with you on that

Title? Absolutely not

[earnest remnant]

that comp is just capable of doing keys 1-2 levels higher than the rest

so much utility cramped into those specs

its insane

[dawn haven]

Remember when Rogue was the cool utility spec in M+ and everyone wanted to be like us?

Now we live in a world where blizzard did just that and made other specs do what we do but better.

;-;

Except being cool

We do that best.

[blazing jewel]

Mage having a group dr is disgusting

[void mesa]

and 2 aoe stops

and spellsteal
and decurse

[earnest remnant]

like im getting the title this season

but

its not that fun seeing them time keys 2 level above you

just because your class cant live it

[runic hinge]

they're gonna rework shiv to hit party members and mass dispell

[spice surge]

Theres like 0 kicks this season compared to most others

[earnest remnant]

and the most BS thing of all

is the mini boss in HOI

whoever designed that

fuck off

[dawn haven]

Shiv already hits party members when you're doing Echo

[vestal wren]

there is also the perception that rogue has s+ survivability

[dawn haven]

People only experienced massive aoe damage that rogue can easily survive, but not single target dots that will murder us unless we can cloak it.

[vestal wren]

it just comes down to design

rogue is a cooldown based class in terms of survival

so if your cooldown work and you have them up, you are rly good

thats just not always the case

[dawn haven]

A lot of dungeons+sarkareth this tier are pretty constant forms of damage that really mess with our survivability.

[vestal wren]

periodic damage is not that uncommon, and rogue hasn't rly options to deal with it

exactly

[void mesa]

we got huhhh

[dawn haven]

Crimson vial only goes so far when it's a 30s cd lmao

[void mesa]

juicy box

[vestal wren]

crimson is a joke

[gilded oasis]

i still smash it but its dogshit

[vestal wren]

we have leech poison guaranteed most of the time

what else rly depends on the spec

assassinaiton will have recup atm

outlaw very likely soothing

[dawn haven]

And sub will find safety in darkness (nothing)

[vestal wren]

you have leeching on sub

also all 3 will have cheat death

[spice surge]

Fade to nothing or cloaked in shadows as sub

Is a negligible dps loss if you need survivability

[vestal wren]

good point

[spice surge]

Especially on aoe

[earnest remnant]

you need to play fade, to live mini boss in HOI

and then you need to time dances to the AoE

and feint / cloak / vanish the ones you cant dance

its great

[vestal wren]

its a 2 min cooldown too

but i completely forgot about it

[dawn haven]

Sounds like you love that miniboss.

[earnest remnant]

its like stepping on lego's on purpose

very nice

[dawn haven]

Ok It's 5am I'm going to bedge gn all

[gilded oasis]

night..er...morning

[past bobcat]

Playing sin for reclear and stealing pi’s from the warlock

[merry berry]

What happened that assa suddenly went up in dps?

[thorn fjord]

buffs last week

5%

[merry berry]

Nice! Thx

[thorny pond]

can we get a few more of those?

[thorn fjord]

10.2 surely

[worthy timber]

10.2 will be the rework so prob op

[merry berry]

seriously?

[thorn fjord]

10.2 will be the rework

[worthy timber]

Yes

[thorn fjord]

Lets hope for OP

They can still possibly shit the bed tho

Who knows

[worthy timber]

Rework was supposed to be 10.1.5 but didn't happen

[worthy timber]

Also possible. But reworks have shown to be op in the past. Holding out hope

[thorn fjord]

Right there with ya man

[balmy condor]

change does not equal op

get it out of your head

[thorn fjord]

Well i wouldnt say OP im just hoping for fun

and competetive

[balmy condor]

I wasn't referring to you

:)

[toxic night]

i think every recent class that got reworked released at a kinda broken state

thats why people are saying rogue is gonna be op :p

[thorny pond]

Yea, Arcane got reworked and isn't OP

[balmy condor]

yeah and that's a dumb way to think

we got changes in 10.0.5, a new capstone

what happened to those

[solid mica]

Yeah but ppl hate when rogues even playable so even if it is i wouldnt hold your breath itd stay that way for long

[balmy condor]

arterial isn't played ever

and kingsbane isn't played either

[thorn fjord]

[toxic night]

true

[balmy condor]

but it's an entirely new talent

it's change

MUST be op

[solid mica]

I hope we just get to have sick util options in the class tree like mage and not have 90% dmg nodes.

Maybe some new spells 👀

Make smokebomb non combat mind soothe to replace shroud

[thorn fjord]

[pseudo hamlet]

wut

[solid mica]

U just smokebomb a pack and sneak by

[runic hinge]

what about making smokebomb an aoe stop

[solid mica]

Surely theyll do it

We are the only class in the game with zero ways to aoe stop so would be nice

[frigid kestrel]

Didn’t old smoke bomb stop mobs from outside the bomb from targeting anything inside the bomb? Would be useful for M+, no?

[solid mica]

Does in pvp

[frigid kestrel]

Thought it did the same in PVE at one point

[solid mica]

Probably

[frigid kestrel]

With damage mitigation too I think

If they just brought it back as it was that would be great

[pseudo hamlet]

And make it -15% AoE damage taken!

[thorn fjord]

Y’all cookin the most random stuff

[runic hinge]

Does beacon do full damage on raid members during echo?

[past bobcat]

Yes

Don’t ask how I know

[true blade]

pretty sure, but chances are it will split with nearby players

[runic hinge]

Just gotta find my raid leader alone then

[spice spire]

Yes

Also bleeds fall off after they become non-corrupted

[runic hinge]

so maybe not dm them instead of second add?

[spice spire]

Correct

Or rupture

Or sbs

Or garrote

[gilded oasis]

👎

[blazing jewel]

Bone spike on nelth

[spice spire]

What can I say

I’m a degen

[gaunt moat]

Kinda exciting that next week we'll probably see what realz been cooking

[gilded oasis]

hope its cookies

maybe mashed potatoes

[gaunt moat]

probably a 5% damage buff

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Me when I read 10.2 patch notes and see a rogue buff

[runic hinge]

I can't wait for 10.2 ptr slow mode because everyone is asking if assa is op before we even have tuning numbers

[thorn fjord]

i cant wait for new content

zzzzzz

[burnt latch]

Slowmode is reserved for dooming

Which was last patch ptr

[thorn fjord]

Remember those few weeks where it was wild in here?

Shit i got a 48 hour ban LOL

[near valley]

Lmao

[burnt latch]

Ngl them promising the rework and not communicating that its delayed was a really bad move

[near valley]

Cant wait for Outlaw chat

Guy finna pop off

[burnt latch]

A simple ”moved by half a patch” and ppl wouldnt have been so dissapointed

[near valley]

True tbf

[balmy condor]

question is, will guy pop off because there's changes he's happy with, or is he going to lose his mind when outlaw gets the least changes and join the entire chat dooming over the end times

[burnt latch]

2nd option

[near valley]

Honestly it'll be a bit of both

Then some peeps will bring up 1984 again

[burnt latch]

If one of the specs doesnt see any/very little changes in the first 2-3 iterations, u can guarantee that chat is going WILD on patch day

[balmy condor]

I mean outlaw is just not going to see major changes

[near valley]

Ik Oxi will be the one to press the slowmode

[balmy condor]

there's gonna be tweaks because the gate moved and like, it has to change to account for that

[thorn fjord]

Would guy get muted for dooming? 🤣

[balmy condor]

but I don't think any sane person can seriously expect outlaw to get sweeping changes

[near valley]

Nah

Guy is pure content

[balmy condor]

if he goes over the top, yes

we've muted greens before for losing their shit

I got muted when I was orange for losing my shit

[near valley]

Now who can mute you?

[balmy condor]

legit anyone

[thorn fjord]

Gotta check the homies when they’re seething

I like it

[balmy condor]

we do our mutes through a bot

the bot doesn't care what role I am

[near valley]

Ah fair

Also OL won't get a lot of changes cause it doesn't need it

[grand trail]

Did whispyr sad that rogue will be op? ❤️❤️

[near valley]

But hopefully the ones we do are the things we want

[blazing jewel]

HO if you enjoy high APM plays pretty good I don’t think many people want that changed

[gilded oasis]

ya BIS now

[burnt latch]

Well, realz has been talking about stuff that he isnt happy about with outlaw like sepsis and gs and maybe changing their functionality and position on the tree, so thats bound to make decent bit of changes in the whole tree, but yeah cant really call stuff like that a rework ig which someone will get mad at

[near valley]

A man of culture

HO enjoyer

[thorn fjord]

Am I capping when I say I’d rather the next tier be hella fun and involved than rogue getting sweeping buffs?

[balmy condor]

don't say that too loud, you'll get shanked in the streets by a group of orc rogues with engi googles

[blazing jewel]

Enjoy outlaw the least of the 3 but it’s not bad

[near valley]

[subtle tundra]

outlaw needs the biggest change...

[blazing jewel]

Especially now that GS is out of the rotation it plays much better

[subtle tundra]

deletion...

[burnt latch]

HO outlaw aint bad, KIR outlaw is an abomination

[near valley]

[thorn fjord]

GS is a shit button imo

[blazing jewel]

Feels like you’re juggling 9 30s cds

[near valley]

I hope they force exsanguinate to stay

[balmy condor]

stuff moving around is guaranteed, tweaks to things like sepsis or more roll the bones changes maybe sure

but like

nothing sweeping

[burnt latch]

Cant pin point why but it just feels wrong

[gusty mirage]

they're all dwarves now

[thorn fjord]

Giving OL flag back with a viable DB option would be tits

[blazing jewel]

Holding ambush procs to only apply find weakness with them feels wrong

[balmy condor]

fuck you right

[near valley]

Your fishing for buffs that don't necessarily feel that impactful

[burnt latch]

Yeah and tbf i think a lot of people will be happy with the shake up that moving stuff around causes, hopefully atleast

[gusty mirage]

also

how is it outlaw rogues don't cry about augvoker as much as sub rogues

what's up with that

usually outlaw rogues are the ones crying about everything

[balmy condor]

all the sub rogues are outlaw rogues

[near valley]

Because we don't need those filthy dragpns

[gusty mirage]

true

[thorn fjord]

Too busy eating glue

[balmy condor]

that rolled sub because outlaw is dead

[burnt latch]

Blade flurry isnt counted to aug its to outlaw

So they scam them

[near valley]

Also most people play sub atm

[gusty mirage]

all the pirates reroleld to fuu and stealthi land

unluigi

I'm keeping that typo there

fight me

[near valley]

Thought it was intentional

[burnt latch]

I wonder how high of a % of this discord is like, spec specific

[balmy condor]

yeh they all rerolded

[thorn fjord]

[lucid mirage]

I've been gearing sub all tier but want to come back to sin land, is it even worth doing with how much verse and how little hate I have (1%)

[near valley]

I thought unluigi was the lungi death stare

[gusty mirage]

I'm also retired

[near valley]

https://tenor.com/view/death-gif-4488634

[balmy condor]

stay mad ded?

[gusty mirage]

no

my willto live dead

[gilded oasis]

yes you need at least 90 hate for sin

[balmy condor]

oh you're pursuing an art career

[earnest remnant]

we dont want them

[gusty mirage]

I've been fighting flies for 3 weeks

my confirmed kill count is 54

I'm like Chris Kyle

call me Amerian Flyswatter

[earnest remnant]

also ive become an assa player

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-blathering-gif-5761607

[blazing jewel]

Never forget the cp generation nerf meltdown in outlaw

[earnest remnant]

for the next few resets

[near valley]

Have u killed any with ur bare hands?

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-not-fair-fair-nihilist-crybaby-gif-15153555

[gusty mirage]

5

[balmy condor]

lebanese stew stirrer

[gusty mirage]

bro my keyboard's dying

wtf

[balmy condor]

too much fly juice

[gusty mirage]

true

[near valley]

Pretty solid tbf

[burnt latch]

I spray them with house cleaning solution from the bottle and then crush em with the bottle when they get disoriented from the fumes and fall to my carpet

[gusty mirage]

when do I unlock the gold wrap for this magazine

[near valley]

Way of the open fist oxi

[gusty mirage]

how many kills?

[near valley]

100

Kill streak

[burnt latch]

37 confirmed

[gusty mirage]

so I should have it already

[near valley]

Then purchase the battlepass

[gusty mirage]

fuck

that's where they always get you

[lucid mirage]

Really? That sucks I wanted to just jump into playing sin on the back off of the tier. Guess I'll wait till better sin gear comes my way

[thorn fjord]

Oxi low key unlocked a plague in his office

[gusty mirage]

wait hold up

[gilded oasis]

it was joke cause you said hate not haste

[near valley]

Lord of the flies

[lucid mirage]

Oh haha

[gusty mirage]

zar living up to her guild name

smh my head

[gilded oasis]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

@earnest remnant can you adopt me so I can move to denmark

[earnest remnant]

im not allowed to adopt

[gusty mirage]

wtf

[near valley]

Imagine willingly going to Denmark

[earnest remnant]

legally

[near valley]

[gusty mirage]

imagine wanting to stay in the united states

[balmy condor]

yeah but denmark has azor

[near valley]

Azor is reformed wtf

[balmy condor]

sure

[near valley]

[gusty mirage]

but denmark has stealthi

and I love stealthi

[balmy condor]

true

[near valley]

Sounds like a negative

[frozen iris]

Who/what is Azor?

[near valley]

Not really selling Denmark here

[gusty mirage]

hunter dude

writes guides for wowhead and icy veins

[near valley]

Hunter guy

Owns hunter disc

[gusty mirage]

nice guy

[near valley]

True

[gusty mirage]

a bit weird, but I feel like that's all danes

[near valley]

Whispyr just jealous he didn't think of patreon

[earnest remnant]

u calling me weird?

[near valley]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

@earnest remnant you can't even adopt me, you're not even a real dane

[earnest remnant]

true

[burnt latch]

you forgot to add the donowalls sims behind patreon bit

[balmy condor]

REFORMED hunter dude, he left the life of RMT behind him a long long time ago back in the incredibly far past of shadowlands

[gusty mirage]

fine I'll just move to finland

@limber lion we're getting married

[near valley]

Shadowlands was 16 years ago

[quiet oar]

Just move to your son oxi

[gusty mirage]

sure as fuck feels like it was 16 years ago

holy shit

fuck shadowlands

[balmy condor]

I'm sure the 8-12 months really changed him

and he's a new person

[gusty mirage]

damn cev leaving me on read

[spice spire]

It could have

[gusty mirage]

@burnt latch marry me?

[burnt latch]

Nobody can convince me SL wasnt better than DF

[gusty mirage]

nvm

[burnt latch]

Im taken

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I don't want to marry you anymore

[gilded oasis]

they can smell the desperation

[near valley]

True

[gusty mirage]

fuckin change your name to Don of Terrible Takes

[burnt latch]

How dare you

[spice spire]

No shot warcieft just made me read that

[near valley]

SL was fun

[gusty mirage]

mfer said SL was better than DF

[near valley]

Till it wasnt

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

Ya’ll are crazy SL was so good

[gusty mirage]

yeah bro it was insane

loved sylv

[balmy condor]

change your name to greta thunburger

[gusty mirage]

best end game boss ever made

[near valley]

And I was doing torghast on repeat

For a leggo I could barely afford

[gusty mirage]

then followed up with a rogue tier that made me miss 9.0

what a banger of an expac

when did they remove conduit energy again?

[balmy condor]

only reason you miss 9.0 is because I was raiding with you

[gusty mirage]

9.1.5?

true 😦

[burnt latch]

Nah i wont allow the slander

Goated m+ dungeons

[near valley]

9.2 was fun tbf

[gusty mirage]

GOATED M+ DUNGEONS

[near valley]

Encrypted slapped

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

Goated spec design

[near valley]

Anduin made people and guilds leave

[balmy condor]

goated m+ dungeons (except half of them)

[burnt latch]

Decent raids

[near valley]

Destro ruled the land

[gusty mirage]

yeah encrypted was so sick if the tank pulled them you'd just get knocked out of stealth

[burnt latch]

Only two bad dungeons the whole expac, SD and Spires

[gusty mirage]

it was insane for rogue

[near valley]

Surv was acknowledged by the world for the first time

[royal lantern]

dont destroy the LE NOSTALGIA

[gusty mirage]

10/10 affix

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

tazavesh greatest megadungeon ever released in shadowlands

[gusty mirage]

true

[burnt latch]

BASED AND TRUE

[gilded oasis]

MOP last good expac

[gusty mirage]

tazavesh was indeed a dungeon of mega proportions

[quiet oar]

Do i get Muted for saying sl was better than bfa

[gilded oasis]

end of Legion was decent but just the end

[gusty mirage]

yes

SL was absolute trash tier

[near valley]

Playing rogue in 9.2

[royal lantern]

BfA had good raids and a couple good dungeons

SL had shit

[burnt latch]

SL was everything DF tries to be

[gusty mirage]

alright

[near valley]

Bad?

[gusty mirage]

changing your name for you

[burnt latch]

NO

[gusty mirage]

too late

[burnt latch]

what is it

[near valley]

SL was fun the first 2 weeks

[burnt latch]

Im reporting to hr

[royal lantern]

then we realised how fucked rogue was

[earnest remnant]

sl was fun?

[royal lantern]

[burnt latch]

Absolutely

[near valley]

Nah I wasn't playing rogue then lmao

[royal lantern]

first 1-2 weeks are always fun

then

yeha no

[near valley]

I was unholy

[gusty mirage]

yeah bro banger dungeons apparently

[earnest remnant]

hated all of em

[gusty mirage]

yeah you weren't alone

[near valley]

DoS slapped

[gusty mirage]

pretty sure warcieft the only mfer who liked those dungeons