assassination

[gilded oasis]

cloak, evasion

[atomic rune]

And IC

[gilded oasis]

I like to wish DM was

[atomic rune]

Vendetta was and they made Deathmark not for whatever reason

[gilded oasis]

yeah

[balmy condor]

they made deathmark specifically so it was on gcd

that was the intention of the rework

[gilded oasis]

[misty kernel]

@balmy condor actually assa is fine if u have mobs on boss but pure ST in M+ build ETA GG

[atomic rune]

The ability itself makes sense that it would be on GCD

Im just saying that it isnt

[balmy condor]

okay

[sonic schooner]

Imagine if tier set would work with CT as it first used to be, gaming

I dont even remember the exact effect of it

[balmy condor]

it was just 40%

like rupture

[atomic rune]

wouldnt we be trying to snipe Deathmarks off dieing adds though in AoE if it did

[balmy condor]

ye

[atomic rune]

Yeah I would have hard dropped Assa if tha thappened

[balmy condor]

you technically still want to do it atm

but it's too much effort to be worth

[atomic rune]

Yeah I can see that

[balmy condor]

at 40% it probably would've been too much

[atomic rune]

Theres never weak enough mobs to get the value of a full Rupture though in 20s

Unless you delay IC on pull to weaken a mob?

fuck it we ball

rework assa in alchemist call it gg

[runic hinge]

Blindside is such a cool proc, hope that stays

[balmy condor]

I don't think deleting things is happening

realisitically exsang gets reworked

[long pecan]

!acronims

[balmy condor]

and then like most everything else is staying

[balmy condor]

not how you spell it, and it's at the top of the faq

[long pecan]

What is IC

[misty holly]

I ask myself that question every day...

[long pecan]

aaaah ok

ty

Ah an outside, Assa is atm the rogue i prefer to play

But when i check the meta ... it is disastrous

should i worry about that

[balmy condor]

not really

[snow kindle]

is it class trinket over beacon for st

[balmy condor]

yes

[cinder stump]

will one fan of knives gurantted apply poison to all mobs around you or do you need to hit it a couple times?

[pure moth]

is it better to cloak breath or glittering on mythic sark?

[balmy condor]

cloak the glitter

[balmy condor]

you need to hit a couple times, the chance is per hit, not per cast

so if you have 5 targets, it could apply to 2 of them for example

[pure moth]

ok

[cinder stump]

TY!

[silk bane]

quick question on sark timings, when do you guys vanish, and also do you hold sepsis at the end of p2?
like I was thinking, since we're holding sepsis at the end of p1, we are gonna have empowered garrote for the 2m deathmark so we dont need vanish for it. so maybe it makes sense to send vanish around 30-40 seconds in the fight to get it on cd, to extend empowered garrotes after sepsis opener garrotes gone. that way vanish is gonna be up for second ad set, and u can get another set of empowered garrotes on both the recollection adn the boss. then hold sepsis for start of p3.

Im not finding something consistent between the top logs right now 😦

[balmy condor]

P1 Sepsis dm opener vanish when that gar drops

P2 sepsis dm opener on boss, vanish for second adds

P3 sepsis dm opener on boss, vanish on cooldown for uptime

[silk bane]

thats whati thought makes sense, thank you! ]

[brave zenith]

quick question has anyone had a problem with not getting the 5 percent leech in keys to work is the talent bugged or something

[deft flicker]

Walmart poisons wear off every time you go through a loading screen, need to be reapplied

[brave zenith]

LMAO

i just realized this

[deft flicker]

Fuck them walmart poisons

[brave zenith]

i was like bro i have no way to help rot damage at all

ur already kinda energy starved as ass and i was like bruh

[void mesa]

bruh that was it??

I assumed it was something dumb with talent or spec swapping, but damn, loading screens...

[deft flicker]

Remember when leeching gave 10% leech??

They decided to dilute it because it’s unsafe ig

#LetMeBrewMyPoisons

[earnest remnant]

that makes alot more sense compared to what i did last night

0/10 would not recommend

[slow tulip]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[silk bane]

I was actually going over you guys's log...

was confused why i have a third bump in p2 and u guys dont, and realize ur group does so much more damage u guys phsaed the boss

[earnest remnant]

yeah we skip an add set

we are like 3% away from skipping 2

[silk bane]

I... how is that even possible. is this just aff + aug tech?

[earnest remnant]

3 heal

4 augs

[balmy condor]

Big parsers

I would be bottom dps in stealthi’s raid

[royal lantern]

you would not just bottom the dps

[balmy condor]

Do not the dps

[solid forge]

not that bad for a first sin raid

[earnest remnant]

rise up brother

crank them numbers

[solid mica]

hopefully they delete aug soon

[earnest remnant]

[static glacier]

I can't describe how cringe it is to play in raid with 3 other augs

imagine you press more empowers and do 30% less shifting sands damage due to rng and hidden prios for the buff

garbage spec, garbage design, garbage gameplay, garbage effect on the game.

[solid mica]

he said it not me

[balmy condor]

The weirdest thing for me is looking at details and going “oh 140k that pull, but what is it actually”

I just knock like 10k off my details number cause I just know that the augvoker clipped me

[solid forge]

needing to log keys to know what's really happening zzzz

[earnest remnant]

me pogging at my 300k dps on Assault

turns out it was only 252k

[earnest remnant]

how it looks in logs

vs details

[balmy condor]

Bro I had a wipe where I was pogging out like holy fuck that’s like rank 3 my rng must’ve gone crazy cause I’m so far off of bis there’s no way

Open the log, blue parse

Nice

[earnest remnant]

IMAGINE

[subtle tundra]

More reason for yall to join me in not using details anymore

[earnest remnant]

if this 360k kb tick

was a crit

casual 720k kb dot tick

[ancient rain]

I'm proggin sark without windfury or monk buff, y'all have it good

[grand trail]

Idk tanks should swap to cover those buffs

It's common to have DH or monk tank just for buffa

[ancient rain]

We had a monk tank who got banned mid prog for leaving his fishing bot up over night

[grand trail]

Smart guy

[solemn fjord]

Hello guys ! What about consommable in raid and m+ ?

[vestal wren]

corrupting flask
food is more of a free choice, main stat food probably the best but things are very close
buzzing usually for weapon oil is typically very good / best

[empty mortar]

Its the assasination close to sub after the buf in raid?

[clever sapphire]

afaik assa is ahead in pure ST

[vestal wren]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vestal wren]

sub is atm the weakest of the 3 in simulations on pure st

you also see this in logs now, assassination logs start to show up on top of the single target oriented fights

some examples:

[dry herald]

the KiR sim above is without hook or acro though right?

[vestal wren]

kazzara

[vestal wren]

yes

chamber

rashok

magma

you basically see assassination to start quit strong now

[wooden radish]

Dam, need to recraft all my gear into Crit haste mastery

[snow kindle]

dont do that Lol.

Sub is still better overall

[ancient rain]

I simmed 10 trillion combinations and my crit vers gear was like 300dps lower than the bis recrafted gear

[clever sapphire]

i dont sim, i just play

[wooden radish]

Sub boring

[snow kindle]

if you think sub is boring

assassination is sleeping.

[wooden radish]

probably but its gonna be fun for a bit to play a spec i haven't touched since SL 😄

for like 1-2 weeks xD

[snow kindle]

literally a 2 button spec outside of opener

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[wooden radish]

sounds like sub

[royal lantern]

@vestal wren leaving out zskarn so nobody can see me, i see

[royal lantern]

you mean sub or assa now

cus like

[snow kindle]

assassination rn

outside of opener is p much 2 buttons

[royal lantern]

lets be honesty sub is "gloomblade gloomblade eviscerate" for 80% of a fight

and shadowdance is replacing gloomblade with sstrike

[snow kindle]

not arguing sub isnt sleeper

but saying youre gonna be awake while playing assassination

just isnt true

[clever sapphire]

if you dont wanna mash 2 buttons play outlaw

you can play whackamole

[royal lantern]

more awake then on sub tbh

slightly less static

slightly

[snow kindle]

how could u possible be more awake

[clever sapphire]

keeping dots up

managing cooldowns

[royal lantern]

there is SOME variance atleast

[snow kindle]

the only thing that hits dopamine is seeing envenom hit for 200k

[clever sapphire]

not just no brain sending it

[royal lantern]

like, just a bit

sub is 100% static in df

[clever sapphire]

playing bonespike on zskarn to pad on adds

[snow kindle]

idk sins feels braindead

but i do like big numbers

less button pressing

[shy axle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

funfact

[dry herald]

https://tenor.com/view/explaining-gif-22499839

rogues explaining why their fav spec is better

[royal lantern]

all specs in wow feel braindead when you play the game for a time

cus you notice the patterns fast

[grand trail]

Imagine sin sim 2k higher and top logs are overtaken by sin after 2days menahwile outlaw sim 5k higher but is nowhere to see

[cobalt hemlock]

idk im good but if you want you can go play elemntal or arcane if its easy for you

[drifting cloud]

@spice surge wtf??

damn fotm rerollers

[snow kindle]

literal cope @royal lantern

understandably some specs do be easy

[royal lantern]

comes into a class discord

"yo spec is braindead idk"

refuses to elaborate further

pings random people

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[snow kindle]

how can i elaborate on a spec that needs no elaboration

Also i did just didnt notice cause there aint much to say about it

[grand trail]

Only thing I don't like about assa is that your openers numbers are too small compared to rest of raid, but you somehow endup hight in meters as you maintain those numbers 🤡😂

[near valley]

Guys Guys stop the infighting

we all know Outlaw is best anyway

so no point arguing

[snow kindle]

Execution and bleeds do be hurting

[near valley]

nothing like playing Sin and wondering how the hell ur bleeds and dots are doing anywhere what details shows

[cobalt hemlock]

if its so easy you better have 90 parse average bud

[snow kindle]

my man theres 2600 assassination logs

and half of those ppl are trolling

[cobalt hemlock]

and? do you or do you not have that

[snow kindle]

ok i will play it on tuesday and i will get back to you directly after raid

[cobalt hemlock]

you doing hc or mythic?

[snow kindle]

mythic

[floral shoal]

As a heroic only raider I wish you mythic chads had your own heroic rankings 😉

[rotund oak]

so,i kinda know ive got to sim what stats to put on my crafted dagger but its crit/mast aight? (Needed a clarification)

[cobalt hemlock]

and if assa is too easy for you are welcome to go play elemental or arcane if thats more fun

[snow kindle]

looks like a 90% parse on kazz is 132kish

Too easy doesnt mean not fun

[near valley]

rankings would still be fucked with aug lmao

[cobalt hemlock]

why complain about it then?

[snow kindle]

well you joined the conversation late.

clearly

[cobalt hemlock]

what was it then

[snow kindle]

Someone said they wanted to spec change because sub was boring

which is true but if you think sub is boring assassination isnt gonna be any better

[cobalt hemlock]

doesnt have to be necesarily

[snow kindle]

what

[cobalt hemlock]

if you find sub boring assa doesnt have to be boring as well

[snow kindle]

Sin plays like sub just without dance

Sin is more mind numbing just i enjoy big numbers

[cobalt hemlock]

i suppose everyone can make their opinion do what you want

[bitter junco]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[burnt latch]

i want to thank all my homies @quiet oar @spice surge and @void mesa for trusting the Donicius Herbartimus with the source

winners recognize winners

and you sirs

are all winners in my eyes

[snow kindle]

@cobalt hemlock it aint much but i went in to sark to get a cloak and this is what it ended up lookin with no padding https://prnt.sc/bP5GL1NQyMDT

[cobalt hemlock]

grats

[snow kindle]

I dont think anyone parses in heroic tho so there isnt really anyone to really compare but its like top 25

[burnt latch]

all the top dons parse hc exclusively

[midnight mist]

I never doubted don herbo, guy is always reliable

[burnt latch]

my #1 believer Zac the Great

[midnight mist]

[burnt latch]

[gusty mirage]

don herbo is an opp

[burnt latch]

how dare u

[midnight mist]

wtf

don herbo only has viable and trusted informations

[vestal wren]

just for you

[quiet oar]

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

fight me irl half naked

[burnt latch]

i dont do halfs, i go all in or nothing

[royal lantern]

based

[midnight mist]

[burnt latch]

[spice surge]

Left side or right side clothed?

[gusty mirage]

dealer's choice

[quiet oar]

Only socks

And hat

[spice surge]

Im thinking left side on the top and right side on the bottom, going for that chessboard look

[quiet oar]

What

[royal lantern]

one day The Voices are winning and you say that to a work client

[glad burrow]

👀 time to try out sin?

[shrewd night]

What if the voices tell you to play cat

[blazing jewel]

Meow for us

[drifting cloud]

isnt that your job

[blazing jewel]

[spice surge]

Purple shadow dots ⛔
Red bleed dots ✅

[shrewd night]

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-big-lips-gif-13233291

[spice spire]

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-gif-24525483

[burnt latch]

[uncut echo]

Ain't no way you're this down bad

[blazing jewel]

[verbal mantle]

[spice spire]

This man is fighting demons daily rn

[uncut echo]

Have a good day bestie

[blazing jewel]

[past forum]

Tried assa for the first time in raid last night, was able to secure spriest PI

[clever sapphire]

what cursed group you running that you as a rogue have pi prio

[past forum]

Our top damage is a warlock who already gets PI from hpriest. The spriest gives dk PI on army but otherwise it’s up for grabs to whoever is bangin the hardest.

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-11895255

[blazing jewel]

Do you have a dev evoker

[gusty mirage]

@blazing jewel

[blazing jewel]

What

[gusty mirage]

See above gif

[past forum]

Nah just 2 aug evokers

Our dps comp is pretty cursed. This is our first tier progging past the first couple mythic bosses, so everyone is just kinda playing whatever at this point.

[blazing jewel]

Not having a better 2min class to pi is kinda sussy

[weak plover]

Just be in a group with 4 priests 😄

[blazing jewel]

[earnest remnant]

why 4 priest

when you can have 4 augs

[past forum]

Pls no our augs already buff each other some times

[vestal wren]

[fast zodiac]

do a raid with your boomer RL friends and top dmg so you get all externals 😛

[subtle kiln]

I was getting externals on my Ret last night. I knew the night was cursed.

[digital wind]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

Any tips for Echo?

[agile osprey]

As a rogue? Make a good playlist and get ready to chill for 100 pulls until ranged figure out how to do hearts.

[strange python]

Sick

[agile osprey]

Oh and with the most recent nerfs you'll be holding dps in p1 even longer

fun boss

[strange python]

As in holding for next phase?

[cerulean nest]

anyone else doing literal tank damage to p2 big adds on sark?

I'm loving it

[agile osprey]

We just started prog Monday, but I'm looking forward to it!

[river ember]

We send shiv on cd right now correct? What situations would you hold shiv. Trying to make sure I understand the FAQ correctly

[cerulean nest]

just have to keep reminding people to check boss damage

[cerulean nest]

make sure you have one for sepsis and at least one, ideally two, for DM

just don't overcap

[past bobcat]

Ad damage does not matter

Let the classes that can passive cleave kill them and just focus the boss lol

[cerulean nest]

tell my raid group

[past bobcat]

If your warrior or shaman isn’t nuking them or mage you’ve got bigger issues

[cerulean nest]

they are and the damage on them is fine lol I'm just usually near/at the top on most fights so they see me down there and are sending me memes

[burnt latch]

After nerfs im p sure its better to just send p1 tbh

[distant birch]

Hey, as a sepsis build, are we casting vanish at the start?. Im assuming we not doing this. But i saw a rog doing this and he was pretty good at dmg :>

[balmy condor]

You have the choice to either send it after the sepsis gar drops, or hold it for the 2nd dm

[distant birch]

I guess :<

[balmy condor]

Idk what I’m supposed to get from that

[distant birch]

Im rly behind (doing vanish 2mn) so thats why i'm asking

[balmy condor]

You’re not behind because of the vanish

[blazing jewel]

sending the entire log instead of a ss would be infinitely more helpful

[balmy condor]

It’s less than 1%

[distant birch]

445ilvl vs 449 maybe thats the difference

[balmy condor]

You’re getting gapped by almost 30k

[distant birch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7r3RjDLcKCfFpPwk#fight=last&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

No amount of vanish saving that lmao

[distant birch]

I feel like i'm doing good idk

If you can give me a quick feedback

i'll take it

[balmy condor]

Also that sin rogue is getting pi

[distant birch]

Hell na

[blazing jewel]

wait what

[distant birch]

XD

[blazing jewel]

youre playing sub

[distant birch]

HAHAAHAHAHAHA

[blazing jewel]

or am I looking at that wrong

[distant birch]

Look at Kazzara

Im just switching

[balmy condor]

He had 100% pi uptime on kazzara

[drifting cloud]

bro gets 7 pis

[balmy condor]

Got 7 pi’s in 2:30

[drifting cloud]

and thinks 20k is from vanish

[balmy condor]

Aprroo used to crush heroic logs all the time in shadowlands cause he would get like 15 pi’s a fight

And then slam

He disappeared from all stars after the PI change to only allow 1 priest

[blazing jewel]

also heroic logs

xd

[distant birch]

make sense

[ancient rain]

I finally replaced my beacon with a hc neltharion and I feel renewed joy for the game

[distant birch]

And boosted heroic too. I'm not rly there for parse. Just wanna make sure that i'm doing my job correctly

But yeah, ty Whisp for checking ❤️

[agile osprey]

Most likely. We were already getting close when the nerfs hit so we just continued to hold dps to not shake things up too bad.

[balmy condor]

Np

[sharp viper]

i love how one of the priests is named parsebot

[distant birch]

hahahahaha

[pliant cairn]

in multitarget pulls, is it worth pressing crimson tempest if all the mobs in the pull already have the debuff?

[somber fractal]

ok guys if anyone wants my secret recipe to a rank 1 rashok parse it's to go afk for 16 seconds in your opener to take a phone call

[rotund crescent]

Sin is something i played when i first started playing WoW and want to get back into it, Does the spec have a natural difficult time maintaining energy unlike the other 2 specs even with Thirsting Tea or is that something that gets weeded out a bit once correct rotations and BIS items become more into play? I play outlaw now and sub a lot of last szn and never had the trouble running out of energy like i feel i do right now

[subtle kiln]

energy is a resource. you need to managed it to different extent with each spec / talent setup

you have two resources. when class is working properly you manage both

your sim will also tell you how much pooling of energy / waiting to expect on average

[versed mica]

Are sims on fuus spreadsheet updated for sin buffs?

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grand trail]

assa feels kinda fast, its not that slow that use to be back in times

they are

but dont look at OL sims 😄

[clever sapphire]

spam ct or fish for poison bomb, results in kinda the same in the end

fishing for bombs gets more relevant when the tset proc hits

[balmy condor]

yes

[frigid kestrel]

Only asking this question out of pure curiosity (not to worried about class dps gains…. I’m a fox boy) but is there a reason I’m not understanding that Void Elf is top on Bloodmallet for ST now vs the Cow?

[burnt latch]

Im scared to ask but

What is fox boy

[cobalt hemlock]

vulpera

[gusty mirage]

the racial gives you 5% damage increase

so that and human are immediately better than they were

and voidelf was strong before the aura buff

vs cow man which is just crit damage bonus iirc

(I also dunno if bloodmallet is updated)

[grim tangle]

looks like I'm race changing to void elf

[balmy condor]

yap

oxi has it right

it's just a slight change

because aura buff

[frigid kestrel]

O shit I’m stupid, why did I think it increased or did shadow damage? Nvm that actually makes sense and I apparently can’t read.

[spice surge]

I mean its all about the same

Its literally +1 compared to the others

So if they rerun it its going to have different values

[frigid kestrel]

Ye it’s about even with like the top 3, I was just curious because I thought the racial did something different

[gusty mirage]

ya the bonus damage shows up as its own dmg source in details

and wcl

[cerulean nest]

brb void elfin'

the racial teleport looks fun too

[versed mica]

@vestal wren a lot of the simulation links on your spreadsheet are broken, they just lead to "simulation not found" pages on raidbots

[spice surge]

All of the 10.1.5 ones work

[versed mica]

The main like, talent build links work, but not gear comparisons

[spice surge]

And the other ones, well

I dont think you need the 10.1 sims

[versed mica]

Are all the gear comparisons sims 10.1?

[spice surge]

If youre not on the 10.1.5 page/tab

Its not 10.1.5

[versed mica]

Bruh

I just wanted to see how trinkets compare to each other after sin buff but I guess I'll just sim it myself lol

[cerulean nest]

anyone have the racial sim thing

for raidbots

[grand trail]

its in fuu sheet if you wnana see differences

[cerulean nest]

link is broken

[balmy condor]

I have one hold on

need to find it in my files

[cerulean nest]

tyty

[gusty mirage]

should be pinned in tc-research

somewhere

or it might be in the sub faq

[earnest remnant]

Yep

[gusty mirage]

#subtlety-faq message

[gilded oasis]

just be belf for superior tmog

easy

[gusty mirage]

velf has same mog and does more damage

[cerulean nest]

ah yep found it

ty

[gilded oasis]

alliance

[balmy condor]

I was too slow

[gilded oasis]

thanks whispyr I bet this one is better

[balmy condor]

watever

[gusty mirage]

it's my fault for being at work at 6pm on my "half day"

[gilded oasis]

gross

[balmy condor]

yeah surely

[gusty mirage]

yeah it is pretty gross

[gusty mirage]

how did you deal with wowhead insisting on bis lists

[gilded oasis]

maybe they thought you meant "half the (24 hr) day not Half a WORK day?

[gusty mirage]

because this is driving me up the wall

[balmy condor]

so here's what I do right, there's always a preview post of the raid loot

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/raids/aberrus-the-shadowed-crucible/loot

like this

[gusty mirage]

idk what to put down lmao because who the fuck is running around with full 447 gear from m+

[balmy condor]

you just go through it

open whatever leather in a new tab

and then just copy paste it into a list

bing bam boom

ya got a bis list

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

[gusty mirage]

I'll just steal @marble hemlock 's

[balmy condor]

sometimes if I'm feeling accurate

I get a bit crazy

and I will open the gear from end bosses first

that fucking bis list can rot in hell though

our bis lists are even fucking dumber

cause we have 2 lists

one only including raid gear

[gusty mirage]

oh do I have one for you

[balmy condor]

and one only including m+ gear

[gusty mirage]

we have THREE

THREE OF THEM

[gilded oasis]

I think you should submit "Sim yo self" as the bis list

[gusty mirage]

overall, raid only, m+ only

[balmy condor]

that's actually an improvement

we don't have an overall

[gusty mirage]

until you realize the m+ one is a little scuffed

cause things change from 441 -> 447

and do you only put vault options?

[balmy condor]

yes

that's what we do

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

it's incredibly intelligent honestly

here's your bis gear, only from m+, and only if you get it all at max vault ilvl

you know

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

like a normal, breathing, human

would play the game

the entire gear page is actually so braindead and I can't do anything about it

cause it has to follow template

[gusty mirage]

the people want them

idk

[balmy condor]

so I'm just at the mercy of filling in the template blanks

with whatever dogshit the template demands

[gusty mirage]

oh I'm 100% yoinking someone else's template

and editing it

[balmy condor]

no matter if it actually makes sense or not

[gusty mirage]

I think I'm going to put a disclaimer on that page though

and tell them to DM @earnest remnant and @spice surge for gearing help with BIS

[balmy condor]

no no, it's not yoinking someone else's template, we get handed template guides to fill in

[cerulean nest]

rip

[balmy condor]

we get handed a template guide, usually a half-filled out shadow priest version of the page

[gilded oasis]

idk I like to see them for general like whats good what should I be aiming for type of info. but I generally just run top gear and droptemizer a lot

[balmy condor]

and we're supposed to change it for whatever our spec is

that's why sometimes you'll see wowhead guides with typos

like Assassination Priest

because fill and replace failed me

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

ya I mean they're good for keeping an eye out for like specific trinkets right

but there's been people who trade me shit that's better for them because it's not "on their bis"

😐

[gilded oasis]

assaination priest, new spec leaked and confirmed by Whispyr you all heard it here first

[gusty mirage]

[gilded oasis]

well yeah thats a person problem if they can't use their own brain a bit. and also the big issue with bis list. people take it as bible. just like bis m+ spec lists that people cant seem to think around

[balmy condor]

it's just

I can give a list

but the people who will be looking for the list

won't be able to actually understand the nuance of the list

and the people who do understand the nuance of the list

won't be using it

[gilded oasis]

nuance this

[balmy condor]

so what's the fucking point

[gusty mirage]

ye

the people who understand it peek at it once and never again or ignore it completely

[balmy condor]

like anyone who's referring to a bis list just needs to hear "highest ilvl, as long as it's not heavy vers"

they don't actually need a physical list

[harsh anchor]

[spice spire]

BiS?

[gilded oasis]

Whispyr whats your bis assissination channel rogue list

[cobalt hemlock]

oh no

[cobalt hemlock]

check the wowhead guide

[gusty mirage]

we have a wowhead guide on which regulars are bis?

@spice spire quake def on that list

[gilded oasis]

yeah its secret

[gusty mirage]

he may be mean to me and hate me

[gilded oasis]

idk why I put an f in there

[gusty mirage]

but I still love him

[spice spire]

Nah I’m on the wis list

[gusty mirage]

nah fam

you #1 in my heart

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

quake can't handle me being nice to him

then gets mad when I'm mean to him

idk anymore man

[spice spire]

I can’t handle

Life

[gusty mirage]

bro MOOD

any half day enjoyers in chat? @spice spire

[spice spire]

Nah

We double day enjoyers

[gusty mirage]

yeah me neither

[spice spire]

[cobalt hemlock]

@spice spire is a good man

[spice spire]

Leaving work on a Friday at 8 pm

[gusty mirage]

Imma beat you by an hour and a half

how does that make you feel

[spice spire]

Hot

Wanna make out?

[burnt latch]

Nothing makes me feel stronger and sexier than a pair of red high heels

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

brother?

[burnt tartan]

[gilded oasis]

I bet you look great

[burnt latch]

Sry autocorrect

[subtle tundra]

bet y'all act like this yet never kissed a man

fakes

[spice spire]

He meant to say nothing feels strain her than assassination right now

[spice spire]

That’s false

[balmy condor]

1. @gusty mirage
2. @spice spire
3. @marble hemlock
4. @blazing jewel
5. @keen spruce on his meds
6. @gilded oasis
7. @austere fulcrum
8. @clever sapphire
9. @past bobcat
10. @keen spruce off his meds

[void mesa]

i cant believe the assassination regulars are acting up again

[spice spire]

Shmeeps off the meds in top ten

[balmy condor]

bro is a content machine

[subtle tundra]

i miss tuesdays

[void mesa]

we need a comparison list

see if theres progress or change depending on which day it is

[balmy condor]

but like fr there's too many homies

I can't rank everyone

[spice spire]

That’s true

[void mesa]

damn

thats too wholesome

[spice spire]

There are too many homies

[blazing jewel]

oxington cannot be dethroned

[void mesa]

wheres the doom and gloom

[gusty mirage]

weird I made #1 considering reddit thinks I'm actively ruining ravenholdt

[gilded oasis]

reddit is

I cant say it here

[spice spire]

Always correct

[gusty mirage]

sure you can

you hit the filter yesterday

[spice spire]

You’re right

[gusty mirage]

why not do it 2 days in a row

[spice spire]

Holy self report

Jesus

[gilded oasis]

yeah censorship mang

smh my head

[void mesa]

self snitching woah

[burnt latch]

What age group is reddits main audience cuz i never got into it or never really heard anyone i know being into it

[spice spire]

It’s literally 1946 here

[gusty mirage]

it's the IonD difference

[burnt latch]

Its a weird demographic

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

45 mom's basement types

[balmy condor]

reddit is the twitter of internet forums

[gusty mirage]

it's like the normie version of 4chan

[void mesa]

Reddit is definitely on the older side compared to other platforms

[gusty mirage]

that's all you really gotta know

[void mesa]

tho idk how wow reddits are

[gusty mirage]

the wow subreddits are awful

[spice spire]

I don’t know, I think it’s somewhere in between our age group.
Because I’ve never been a Reddit enjoyer and I’m on the older side

[gusty mirage]

and honestly competitivewow is possibly the worst

[spice spire]

Not as old as half the people in This chat tho

[gusty mirage]

I once went in there to give my opinion on a question someone had about rogue in sepulcher

and I got downvoted

lmao

[gilded oasis]

I look at specific reddit things when Im searching or wanting to see troll posts about shows I watch but thats all.. or wsb

[void mesa]

you say that, most wow discords have also been pretty mid (except #assassination ofc)

[balmy condor]

I tried to enjoy reddit at one point

[runic hinge]

Pin it

[gusty mirage]

apparently the "highly competitive" wow redditors believed rogue was OP in sepulcher

[balmy condor]

and then I realized every person on reddit

is an actual idiot

[blazing jewel]

competitivewow is a gem

[gusty mirage]

and I was stupid for saying otherwise

[burnt latch]

I’ve only found one good reddit thread that i read regularly

[gusty mirage]

or I'm just bad at the game

I believe the other comments said

[burnt latch]

And its the golden retrievers reddit

Its so wholesome

[gusty mirage]

which I mean, I am, but still

not the point

[spice spire]

No arguing rogue dominance In sanctum

[void mesa]

should I browse competitivewow to entertain my work shift?

[burnt latch]

Ppl posting their cute goldies

[spice spire]

But sofo? Nah

[burnt latch]

I love it

[gusty mirage]

oh it's 10/10

[burnt latch]

The wow ones suck

[void mesa]

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I have never met someone well adjusted and intelligent that goes "yeah I use reddit daily"

they don't exist

these people aren't real

[gusty mirage]

you'll get people wondering if they can micromanage their healers' CDs to optimize healer DPS to kill amalgamation

[void mesa]

I said that like 5 years ago

[gusty mirage]

absolutely wild shit

[void mesa]

I was in a dark place

[gusty mirage]

I use reddit for 2 things

and I will not share them here

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

used to be 3 things but I got banned from the arsenal subreddit

[void mesa]

[balmy condor]

I use reddit for scana feet but I couldn't find them

[burnt latch]

Man city subreddit is a painful read, its such an echo chamber i cant stand it

[gusty mirage]

@gilded oasis you'll never find out

[spice spire]

:whispyrstep3:

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

yeah I got into it with one of the mods when they asked for Arteta to be fired

I was like how about we give the guy a full year and then assess

the guy banned me

LMAO

[burnt latch]

Sounds about right

[gusty mirage]

who's fucking laughing now

looks like I was right

[burnt latch]

Cuz nobody with any critical thinking goes into those channels, no opposition fan goes into competitors subreddit to type shit so they just parrot each others takes

[gusty mirage]

but fr I use it for r/aww because animals are the best, and r/Lawyers which is a secret subreddit we use to talk shit about the rest of you

[gilded oasis]

damn lawyers got us again

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-you-people-tropic-thunder-gif-15281841

[gusty mirage]

I had to submit a picture of my bar card to get access

it was wild

[royal lantern]

isnt that like, any subreddit for anything ever?

[spice spire]

He means feds, fed

[gusty mirage]

its worse for the futbol ones tho

[blazing jewel]

oxi a snitch on god

secret subreddit smh

[burnt latch]

Probably, i dont really use reddit much

[gusty mirage]

paypal me $100 and I can't snitch

attorney-client priviledge

[gray crest]

side note oxi. How the fuck is it legal for credit card companies to send me a temp card with a temp verification code that I never fuckin asked for?

[gusty mirage]

iunno

ask your bosses

they draft the laws

the fuck you asking me for

[cerulean nest]

defensively for Sark. mechagnome's cheat death is still probably the most useful huh

[gusty mirage]

I barely passed the creditor's rights question on the bar

[clever sapphire]

pog im on the cursed list

legooo

[balmy condor]

mechagnomes have a cheat death?

[gray crest]

I just got 2 of them, as much as i like to shred shit, i get annoyed at how much they send me

[cerulean nest]

sort of yeah

[gusty mirage]

are you talking about the ones that let you sign up for a credit card?

cause you can opt out of those

[balmy condor]

oh

[gray crest]

they are like advertisements sent directly to me that i never asked for

[burnt latch]

This is the most american sentence ive seen

[balmy condor]

that shit worthless

lmao

[void mesa]

That racial sounds... not great

[burnt latch]

Credit Cards and America

What a partnership

[void mesa]

Maybe useable vs rot, but stuff killing you is likely to just kill you

Tho its likely gonna overlap with cheat death?

[balmy condor]

I mean even with rot

you get healed 15%

[gusty mirage]

https://consumer.ftc.gov/articles/prescreened-credit-insurance-offers weird I have to link the fed a fed link

[gray crest]

just like the military industrial complex and the government

[balmy condor]

and then rot anyway

[void mesa]

Its gonna give your healers an extra gcd to save you idk

[balmy condor]

wouldn't count on it

[gilded oasis]

pretty sure theres some fine print in one of those terms and agreements no one reads that starts it. You dont usually get the promos or offers until you sign up for a credit card in the first place

[burnt latch]

Tbh i hate the way our military works so i wont deduct points from that

[balmy condor]

15% of my hp at 448 ilvl is roughly 75k

[burnt latch]

[gilded oasis]

I've been getting AARP membership/applications in the mail since I was 15 🙂

[balmy condor]

that's less than 2 seconds of the average rot damage on sark

[royal lantern]

iirc it works really weird

[void mesa]

but with the DR from cheat death maybe?

[royal lantern]

like, sometimes activitying togheter with normal CD and stuff

[void mesa]

i dont think its good fwiw, just playing devil's advocate

[balmy condor]

in the last minute and a half on sark, I'm taking 60k dps worth of damage

[balmy condor]

I mean sure, but cheat death would give you that regardless

also on mag, we don't even play cheat death most of the time

and that's a giga rot fight

[keen spruce]

[past bobcat]

Lmao why am I on this list

I don’t have a single sin parse this season

[balmy condor]

honestly after like 6 I just put names I remembered

[past bobcat]

[gusty mirage]

we can love you even if you don't play assassination

🙂

[balmy condor]

who is "we"

I only love sin players

there is no space in my heart for fake rogues

[past bobcat]

I mainly just troll Whispyr about pvp rogues using 2 handers in there offhand for stats

[gusty mirage]

look me in the face and tell me you actually love shmeeps

[balmy condor]

shmeeps plays assa

everyone has a redeeming quality

[woeful meteor]

didn't make the list time to post more what tell me

[balmy condor]

I can't put everyone on the list man

everyone in this channel tied for 1st

[runic hinge]

You could just @ everyone

At #1

[balmy condor]

technically possible

[clever sapphire]

even me?

[past bobcat]

Sin only on reclear next week yw

[balmy condor]

I made an announcement one time and it gave me a warning like "hey you're about to ping 57,349 people, are you sure"

and I was sweating

so fucking hard

[balmy condor]

yes, even you

[gusty mirage]

mr. pumpkin murloc

[clever sapphire]

im actually mad at blizzard that the pumpkin head mog is only a halloween event head

[gusty mirage]

just stack the weighted jack-o-lanterns on alts

and ship them to your main when you run out

[runic hinge]

That’s what I did and got everyone in raid 2 weeks ago

[gusty mirage]

gamer

[clever sapphire]

wait there is an item for pumpkinhead?

[gusty mirage]

[clever sapphire]

i even asked in transmog channel during halloween

[gusty mirage]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=34068/weighted-jack-o-lantern

[clever sapphire]

and they said no pumkin head outside the event

[blazing jewel]

Are we the stickiest out of the 3 rogue specs

We have to be right

Poisons and stuff

[clever sapphire]

i didnt shower yet and im sweating all day

probably sticky af

[gusty mirage]

with how hard you simp for people around here

you're the stickiest rogue

mfer taking more shots than a nba backboard

[blazing jewel]

oxis like a disappointed dad

[void mesa]

I think thats what he is when he looks at us in the channel

[burnt latch]

[void mesa]

or at least when he looks at you

[blazing jewel]

"why is it speaking again"

[void mesa]

[strange trail]

what's our worse tier set slot?

[void mesa]

chest

[balmy condor]

you either craft helm or chest

or neither

or both

the world is your oyster

do whatever makes you happy

[strange trail]

thank you

also dumb question, but is lariat BiS for neck? I'm getting back into playing sin

[void mesa]

no

nononono

Get Toxic Thorn + Toxic Patch

[balmy condor]

lariat is dogshit

[clever sapphire]

false, atleast i pick up my dogs shit (have to throw it away)

[strange trail]

I have toxic patch on waist currently(I main outlaw)should I make it on wrists too or can I keep it on waist?

[balmy condor]

you can keep it on waist

you would only need to replace it for mythic sark belt

if you're min maxing

[strange trail]

okay awesome!

[void mesa]

Yeah, patch isnt slot-locked as much

[austere fulcrum]

I have a feeling that even priest mains will come here after rework 🙂

[balmy condor]

holy cope

[tired night]

Every sim I ran kept saying to craft a neck or ring, was surprised even with a socketed tier helm it wasn't suggesting chest but I never doubt the robot

[austere fulcrum]

What is wrong with neck or/and ring ?

[void mesa]

priest rerolling to rogue??

[tired night]

And mythic sark belt was only better than a crafted one if it had a socket. And I'm swapping from sub so I had lots of sub-optimal pieces

[grand trail]

swapping any rogue spec is easy now

just turn some vers into haste

[austere fulcrum]

Hope not 🙂

[strange trail]

one last question! is there a way to sim which essence buff is the best?

[balmy condor]

pinned in tc-research

but you should just take all or mastery

the difference is whatever

[tired night]

Pretty much tbh. I recrafted some pieces from Crit/vers to crit/mas since it was a pretty minimal difference for both. Crafted a haste mastery neck, probably gonna take a pity spark and make a haste ring next week

[grand trail]

i was already on crit mastery with my gear so i just got second neck and another crafted ring which i had for m+ anyway

[strange trail]

ooh okay! also, we macro the bomb trinket to an ability or nah?

[balmy condor]

you can if you're only using 1 on-use

if you're doing like bomb/beacon then you definitely shouldn't

[snow kindle]

whats the reasoning behind useing class trinket vs beacon

[balmy condor]

more damage

[snow kindle]

Class trinket really provides more than potentially 2m?

[balmy condor]

yes

[snow kindle]

I get mixed feelings when i see wcl

confusing me

[void mesa]

It potentially can

But beacon can also go 0/2 😦

[balmy condor]

what's confusing you about wcl

[snow kindle]

theres just some ppl who beacon some who do not just curious bout the differnce

[void mesa]

Might be a question of who dropped what

If someone never dropped above an LFR beacon, they wont use it

[balmy condor]

beacon can crit rng, class trinket can proc rng

they're both good

class trinket is generally stronger by a little

[past bobcat]

Anyone got a link to fuus all items input for raidbots

[snow kindle]

Also is the 2nd garrote in the opener used due to sepsis imp garrote

[balmy condor]

tc-research

[snow kindle]

then last 2nd we use garrote when the sepsis buff is just about to fall off

[balmy condor]

the blue one here is sepsis yes

[snow kindle]

ok cool thats what i was wondering

[onyx crane]

so noob as I am I got 3 trinks all same ilv, beacon, bomb and chaos... bomb+chaos sims higher but (wowhead) guide reccomends chaos+bomb...

[clever sapphire]

sim over guide

[spice spire]

Ease of play + chaos goes up to 457, higher ilvl = it goes higher.
Lists aren’t really useful until you get close to the final product; including ilvl

[tired night]

Isn't essence technically better than both if you have all the minor buffs?

[balmy condor]

it can be

not better for me

also would need to make sure you have all the minor buffs and it's also more consistent, no burst

[onyx crane]

I am a dope, It's Beacon, Bomb, Suffering

[strange trail]

So, i have a dagger at 437 already and my offhand is a pvp dagger(ilvl 408) lol. I only have enough wyrm crests for one enchanted wyrm crest. would it be more beneficial for me to craft the toxic thorn boots or another dagger?

[balmy condor]

so you're never gonna really parse with it

[balmy condor]

whats your other embellishment

[strange trail]

I just have the toxic patch one atm

[balmy condor]

oh

so you don't have an embellishment

craft boots

you're like

missing 8% of your damage

[tired night]

I like essence because it's less RNG tbh. It sims like 1k higher, don't have class trinket. But worrying about beacon critting is annoying

[onyx crane]

suffering sims 2.5% lower for me on st over bomb+beacon

[strange trail]

lol okay thank you. I have slimy boots rn, but ik toxic thorn is better for sin

[balmy condor]

well then wtf

you just said you don't have a second embellish

if you have slimy boots craft the dagger

[strange trail]

o.e im sorry its been a long day lol

[strange trail]

okay! tysm for the help

[balmy condor]

np

[strange trail]

I didnt know if having slimy over toxic made a big difference or not

[balmy condor]

it's like 500-800 dps

[rare jackal]

do i want to shiv with sepsis or does it not matter?

[balmy condor]

ofc

[visual portal]

Is chromatic essence good single target or is it sim bait?

[balmy condor]

it's good if you have all the buffs

[visual portal]

aight bet! got it simming 1,8k over my hc beacon and it just seems too good to be correct

[balmy condor]

that sounds about right

beacon gets beat by class trinket and essence

and it's a heroic beacon

would've thought it's more than 1.8 tbh

[onyx crane]

tell me whispyr, why does your wowhead guide states suffering is better than beacon but my sims tell me otherwise (in combination with bomb)

[balmy condor]

because your character isn't a wowhead guide

[onyx crane]

that is fair

could it be the beacon mastery also comes into play vs sufferings versa...

[balmy condor]

everything comes into play

you're comparing items

can't just compare the damage beacon does

it's honestly why we sim

[onyx crane]

what is a good ability to bind bombs to?

[void mesa]

Goddamn, you guys were right, this /r/competitivewow is entertaining
Altho its ded and no activity 😦

[balmy condor]

cause you can't do the math in your head a lot of the time

[balmy condor]

if you're only using 1 on-use, bind it to like mut or something

[onyx crane]

beacon+ bomb

so 2

[balmy condor]

then don't bind it

troll as hell

[onyx crane]

wish more trinkets were like anvil

anvil privilege

[balmy condor]

my issue with anvil is that the fights are done by the time it stacks

[onyx crane]

neat trick for dh is to keep the demon alive between pulls if possible o keep the buff from droppin

[spice surge]

Or the absolute banger of getting like 5 procs early on in the fight and then none later when it does more damage

[onyx crane]

but it shares no cd with other on use trinks

that's also nice

what's the cast time of beacon?

[balmy condor]

2 seconds hasted

[outer cairn]

@balmy condor I was gone for a month. I miss you.

[balmy condor]

I miss you too

[onyx crane]

use it after opener when all is running?

[balmy condor]

gar snd er rup beacon

[river ember]

What weapon runes you cats running in raid?

[balmy condor]

buzzing or hissing

I'm using howling atm cause they were cheaper

but it's like 100 dps worse

[quiet oar]

Whisp a Real german schwabe

Cutting Costs

[balmy condor]

verfluchte "runen", neumodisch's klump

[quiet oar]

Unnötige kosten

Das waren 5 Mark damals

[balmy condor]

was'n überhaupt ein euro

[quiet oar]

10 Euro? Das wären 20 Mark, davon konnte ich mir eine Wohnung kaufen!

[quiet oar]

Gescheiterte Währung

[balmy condor]

Griechisches Schicksal

[quiet oar]

True

[onyx crane]

duiters ook altijd...

[quiet oar]

Dutch

[void mesa]

I guess I missed the lore episode where sin discord was german..

worldwide rogues

[quiet oar]

Youd be suprised how may german rogues here are

Or more like german speaking

Like whisp is American

But He can speak german

[runic hinge]

You’d be surprised how many people are ESL in here really

[balmy condor]

I also speak spanish

[runic hinge]

I barely speak English

[quiet oar]

Damn

[gilded oasis]

ok calm down kanye

showoff

[quiet oar]

Mr World wide whisp

[balmy condor]

my gf's parents are mexican

[vapid sierra]

mr 305

[balmy condor]

and her mom doesn't speak english

so I had to figure it out

[vapid sierra]

did you pickup a bit of spanish>

[balmy condor]

I took spanish in school already

[quiet oar]

I remember that you said you have Latina gf

[balmy condor]

but being around spanish speaking people

is just next level

[gilded oasis]

I skipped spanish I took ASL

[quiet oar]

Does make sense

Can she speak Portion of german.

[balmy condor]

we have a couple people at work who have really bad english as well

so I turned into the psuedo-translator at work

[balmy condor]

bits and pieces

[void mesa]

I say that about german, then I realize I'm not better in terms of non-english

[quiet oar]

Because she probably comes with you to germany?

[void mesa]

also ASL

[balmy condor]

she does not

that's a long story

[quiet oar]

Not?

Damn

But dies make sense that she isnt good in german than

Would probably more fluent

But doesnt matter i guess

[balmy condor]

germans a dead language anyway

L

[gilded oasis]

[balmy condor]

time to learn mandarin

[void mesa]

Idk why I took korean as a language

[quiet oar]

Unerhört!

[void mesa]

Guess it gelled with me better for some reason but was fun

[quiet oar]

[void mesa]

but dont ever learn japanese, f that

[balmy condor]

now you can rizz the kpop stans

by singing BTS songs

[void mesa]

[quiet oar]

[void mesa]

Man, going to uni for classes and realizing out of 20 people in my class

im the only guy and there are 17 die hard bts stans

save me

thank god its over

[vapid sierra]

id put headphones on

you shoulda triggered them in some stupid way

[void mesa]

Knowing id be in their class for 2+ years, I didnt want to turn this hostile yeknow

[bronze pike]

[balmy condor]

brother?

[bronze pike]

its slang for "egg" in peru

huevón

but i cba to spell it correctly

[balmy condor]

I know what it is

maybe it's different in peru

but up here it's a slur for non-latinos

[spice spire]

[vapid sierra]

ive been to peru before

it was reallyyyy nice, honestly underrated

[main vessel]

te amo

[void mesa]

[spice spire]

Tienes una boca bonita

[void mesa]

This is giving me ptsd from my last Ragnaros pug

Knowing just enough spanish to feel like I dont belong