assassination

[balmy condor]

and the shoulder was really good

[arctic hare]

Then they nerfed it?

[balmy condor]

but then turns out the effect worked weird

like you couldn't gain stacks on it while you had the debuff from it ticking

[arctic hare]

what the helllll?

[balmy condor]

which kinda just made it meh

[arctic hare]

I assume that if you could though, it'd easy beat out the boots?

[balmy condor]

yeah

the idea at the start of the patch was shoulder -> boots -> shadowflame

but then the shoulder was/is stupid

[arctic hare]

[4 piece] - When Deathmark expires, Nature damage you deal is increased by 40% for 30 sec., is this an aura buff to ALL nature damage?

[balmy condor]

and the shadowflame stuff just never got a buff

[balmy condor]

correct

[arctic hare]

oh my...

I like that lol.

now i just gotta get lucky to get gear in the first place, then we'll be chillin

[balmy condor]

doesn't change your rotation

[arctic hare]

oh, sweet, so its the same as S1?

[balmy condor]

ye

[arctic hare]

Heck yeah, meaning i'm not out of date, WHOOT.

[balmy condor]

basically the old tier was poison damage 2 piece and bleed 4 piece

and this one is the other way around with rupture 2 piece and generic nature damage 4 piece

[arctic hare]

Yeah, I actually kinda liked that one.

I wonder if they plan on addding a tierset that drastically changes our playstyle

[balmy condor]

doubt it

[arctic hare]

sadness.

I'm just going to guess that we have no information on the supposed "rogue rework"

[balmy condor]

would be in the pins

[arctic hare]

I thought as much.

[balmy condor]

yeh

I would lose my mind if I didn't have a pin to fall back on for that

[arctic hare]

LOL, understandable

and now to try to wiggle my way into a DotI at 416 ilvl

Ain't no way in hell its gonna work, but hey, worth a shot.

[balmy condor]

gl on dagger

[arctic hare]

at this point, i couldn't give less of a shit about that dagger, I just want the gear to replace my pieces from last tier with, dagger obviously would be nice though.

Ehh, worth a shot.

[quartz lance]

Is the dagger from DotI better than a 447 crafted dagger? Realistically how big is the timestrike?

[balmy condor]

yes it's bis offhand

the timestrike is minor but enough to beat anything else

[quartz lance]

I guess I go back to trying to farm it then zzz

[woeful meteor]

"farm" do a boss once per week

[balmy condor]

the horror

[sudden canyon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[arctic hare]

Finally got to mess with assassination's two set in a key, surprisingly pretty good

[quartz lance]

"Farm" in the sense that I only do DotI with people that can loot the dagger

[past forum]

1 bear 4 rogues

[nova flax]

@balmy condor friend of mine is asking why the assassination sims are sometimes using shiv at max CP. can you give me the official reason

The two i can think of are either guaranteeing 3 envenoms in the shiv window or just using it on CD

Since the CP gen of shiv is minute anyway and ull still have to mut twice if it doesnt crit

Idk. Someone eggsplain to @lone jungle

[sweet dawn]

I'm no expert but I think it's because you do not want to overcap on shiv charges and it's fine to shiv at max CP for the bonus poison damage it gives

idk about the whole 3 envenom in shiv thing either

[nova flax]

That also makes sense

[marble hemlock]

its just that, ye. the 1 cp (2cp with crit) are kinda w/e compared to delaying shiv

ideally you avoid boith situations through proper pooling but its not always possible, and in those situations you just send the shiv at max cp

should happen even less frequently with 2 shiv charges

[balmy condor]

because it cares more about sending it and less about 1cp

plus you get to envenom right after

[balmy condor]

but this whole

guaranteeing 3 envenoms in the shiv window
that's bait

no one cares about that

not even sims

it's completely random if you get it off or not and there's no point in trying to play for it

its like using echoing reprimand at 0cp

you do it because you get to use an animacharge right after and it's just efficient that way

but you're not getting anything out of it

there's no secret reason

[marble hemlock]

might actually be a dps loss if you force 3 envenoms into shiv only to then lose out on envenom/ep uptime later down the line as a result cuz youre overcommitting resources like that

[balmy condor]

yeh

that's usually how that works

I think these days it's actually fast enough to not run into that issue a lot of the time

[marble hemlock]

ye

[balmy condor]

but in legion and bfa that was a big issue

made pooling really difficult and didn't actually provide any tangible benefit

[marble hemlock]

well in legion you actually wanted more envenoms in TB, but ye

[balmy condor]

kinda

[marble hemlock]

agonizing poison

[balmy condor]

the envenom uptime was larg

[marble hemlock]

ye

and envenom hit like a truck with agonizing

so stacking (and getting more PBs) during TB was worth

[balmy condor]

I honestly think master assassin was basically the entire reason we have the whole "force envenoms in shiv" thing since

[marble hemlock]

ye, there were a lot of contributing factors

envenom itself applying a stack for KB

[nova flax]

I care about it

[nova flax]

But pog i was half right

[balmy condor]

stop caring about it then

the only thing trying to force envenoms into shiv does is lose damage these days

[nova flax]

I havent played sin at all this season xd

Ill try it this week in my crit/vers gear just to refresh my brain on the spec

Cba to recraft everything

[subtle tundra]

yea your stats wont really matter

its all in your head

[vapid sierra]

er gives 4 cp right?

how bad is it to use at 4/6 cp

it does technically match builder usage but its overcap

by 2 cp

[balmy condor]

2cp

[vapid sierra]

sometimes 4 no

or am i tripping

[balmy condor]

never in fact

[drifting cloud]

sometimes

very very rarely

so rare infact it hasnt happened to anyone yet, but you never know

[balmy condor]

yeah its like if you keep slapping your hand on a table, eventually your hand will go straight through the table when all the atoms miss each other

wont happen before the heatdeath of the universe

but you could

[void mesa]

Theoretically possible

Unproven wrong nor right

[vapid sierra]

interesting

[balmy condor]

my reaction as well

[vapid sierra]

LMAO

[silk bane]

what if my hand was made of antimatter?.

then itd go through cuz i couldnt interact with matter

whispyr its 2023 stop being so matterist

[past forum]

Stats won’t change gameplay at all, right? I want to start practicing sin on some bosses/dungeons just to freshen up, but I cba to recraft anything too much right now.

[vapid sierra]

what if im dark matter and just dont interact with our matter

[vapid sierra]

no

its all damage

stats do affect damage to some extent but not gameplasy

we're not fire mage where if you dont have x amount of haste you lose a global during your burst window

[past forum]

I guess in theory you could feel a lack of crit cause of cp gen, but that’s not even a thing for rogue cause every spec likes crit

[balmy condor]

at extreme levels of haste you could feel it as well

like going from 0 to 20 would have a bit of an impact

but if you're at like 3% right now, going to 12, 13%

[past forum]

What is…..haste?

[balmy condor]

wouldn't ever notice it

tempo

idk

[past forum]

I’ve heard people talking about it but I don’t see it on my character sheet

[balmy condor]

what language do you play in

[past forum]

Oh I was memeing lol i play sub so i have -1%

[balmy condor]

oh

I was boutta bust out the french

fucking quebecs with a french client

[past forum]

Haste is how fast your baguette cooks

[balmy condor]

english be like haste +8

french be like augmente votre score de hate de +8

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

l'hast

[gusty mirage]

Their official term is quebecois

[past forum]

But you wouldn’t necessarily feel no haste, right? I cba to make different booties

[gusty mirage]

Well that’s the thing about feel, it’s subjective right

[balmy condor]

I can't spell that

[gusty mirage]

Like I can tell you I don’t notice a fucking thing from 0-14% haste

But that’s just me, someone else could

It is a noticeable jump

[earnest remnant]

i can feel 0.5% haste for my eyebeam

🙂

[gusty mirage]

Why must you hurt me like this

[balmy condor]

do you count the numbers flying off the character

[earnest remnant]

infact yes

and i write them down just to make sure its correct

[balmy condor]

always worth double checking

[earnest remnant]

all my friends are playing PoE and i dont play it, so im just here to cause harm and mayhem

[balmy condor]

I'm playing poe right now and it's a mess

the fact that they haven't figured out a campaign skip in 2023

[gusty mirage]

My build is bricked

[balmy condor]

so I heard

[gusty mirage]

And idk if I can fix it

[balmy condor]

impending doom?

[gusty mirage]

Ya

[earnest remnant]

watched oxi play it for like 4 hours last night

i dont get it

[gusty mirage]

Only affects PF :)))))

Occy ID is fine :)))))

[balmy condor]

what is there not to get

[gusty mirage]

I need regrets

Do you have any

I’m swapping to ice shot

[balmy condor]

you go fast

[earnest remnant]

saw him open what looked like a roadmap for talents

[gusty mirage]

Running that until tornado shot

[earnest remnant]

and my brain imploded

[balmy condor]

and it makes more sense than the sub talent tree so fucking L bozo

[gusty mirage]

Regret orbs name really sinking in for me this league

[signal badger]

Ice shot is fun mapping is going great with it

[gusty mirage]

I actually drive to the office

Because of how fucking tilted I got

I bought my fucking gloves and then read the Reddit post

Malded harder than I ever did at wow

[balmy condor]

I'm still in act 9 because I fucking hate doing the campaign for the 328490283409823094823094238984623178461293876498712364981726349187236491872364986712364987621t3948716th time

but then I can't zoom it

because I get stuck in a mental loop of "I don't want to play this dogshit ass campaign why the fuck do I do this"

[gusty mirage]

You’re almost done act 9 is relatively short

Just do it

[balmy condor]

brother I fucking know its short

[gusty mirage]

Also check tiktok

Bangers in your DMs

[balmy condor]

indeed bangers

[gusty mirage]

yeah I'm stuck on pconc cause ID is just straight bricked

idk if you ever tried mapping on a 4L Pconc

it's uh

not ideal

[signal badger]

Lol my buddy used to, then it got taken out back and he’s a frost blade player now

[gusty mirage]

I mean if I geared for it, it'd be fine

but I'm not gearing for this piece of shit skill

I'd rather just play a bricked ID

[balmy condor]

fk it we do lab

[limber lion]

Me and you buddy

And I fucking hate pconc

[gusty mirage]

according to tuna and steel ggg is working on it

[limber lion]

zooming around with shield charge and killing packs with plague bearer is fun, but the pconc ability itself is clunky and slow and not fun

[gusty mirage]

idk where they got their information

[limber lion]

Yeh

[gusty mirage]

you fix that with onslaught flask

but then you're fucked because you have no jade/granite

[balmy condor]

the new CM tweeted that its being looked at

[gusty mirage]

and you just get fucked in the butt

[limber lion]

I saw a forum post about it and one of the devs talked about it in X

Oh sorry cm yeh

[gusty mirage]

oh that's why I didn't see it

who the fuck uses twitter still

[balmy condor]

yeah mb its x

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

all the cool kids use threads now

or some shit

whatever the zuck twitter is called

[indigo totem]

Haven't seen anything about 10.2, are they doing all 3 specs? If so, I can't expect this will end well for any of us

[balmy condor]

it is all 3

and the class tree

most of the focus will most likely be on assassination though

outlaw probably getting tweaks at most because of the general changes to the tree at the gates

[spice spire]

[indigo totem]

Thx. Guessing re-positioning talents, but who knows, there's our wish list, our need list, and then what they end up doing anyways.

[balmy condor]

the good news is with how pathetically low you set your miserable expectations you're bound to be in for a pleasant surprise so at least you have that to look forward to

[nova wolf]

I like to have high expectations and be wrapped in the warm embrace of disappointment

[woeful socket]

Hs has a card called secret passage, I feel like it would be really cool if we could get door of shadows but it also can teleport your team. Like a ryze ulti

[idle inlet]

Just read the sin buffs hell yeas boys!

[indigo totem]

In slice I sim around 137kish but do around 150k+ without pi or Aug, with both, it jumps considerably, keeping in mind I don't do any keys over +16, is this a check my Sim/parse thing and are we still doing that here? @balmy condor please and ty

[balmy condor]

sims fine

the number dslice spits out isn't indicitive of what you should be doing in a dungeon

[storm ridge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[feral dragon]

I think it's better find a way make SnD be passive, and it increase attack speed 30%/35%/40%.

passive better is some skill or talent to trigger it, not permanent. It's good for balance.

maybe I send this to wow-general?

[atomic rune]

Sorry Im in a tft game so I was trying to think critically of it while rolling down at 8

I think something like making Cut to hte Chase for others would be good like they almost have it with your first shadowstrike in dance or stealth gives you some odd seconds of it

But it feels pretty rotational on Outlaw and Sub doesnt really have any buffs or debuffs to track

I couldnt imagine playing Assa without CttC while managing all your dots

[feral dragon]

I think Cut to the Chase now is extends the duration of ... , it can change to trigger + extends. that is easy change.

[atomic rune]

Its really not that annoying to activate it you press it on a 3 combo point and hten never touch it again

[desert inlet]

@gusty mirage raid leader went on break without trading me the dagger

[gusty mirage]

[pseudo hamlet]

It's normal that Chromatic sims highest with the Obsidian attunement?
It seems that everything has almost the same value for me.

[deft flicker]

Yeah, all stats are pretty close together

[royal lantern]

open discord-> its on wowgen and people want SnD removed

opens assa, people talk about removing SnD

you make me so proud guys

[balmy condor]

it started here and then moved

[sudden canyon]

i am rectangular

[sharp viper]

SnD removed from assa or from all rogue specs?

[vestal wren]

People will come back to it (infrequently) for all 3 specs. A majority of the time people want to make it completely passive or remove it.
I put up some points that might be the reason for it in the general chat. link: #wow-general message

[safe wigeon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ancient rain]

are we finally removing snd? (I asked for snd in bfa)

[subtle kiln]

no. they’re removing sub rogue. you’re stuck with snd

[glass root]

ooooh guys

we are getting buffed !

i hate this buffs we get many of them , just buff us like 30% be done with it 0-0

[near valley]

Buffs rn mean guck all anyway

[blazing jewel]

The buff should put sin in a really good spot

[near valley]

Since there is a rework coming to a cinema near u

[vestal wren]

5% is fine, will give people more incentive to play assassination

[blazing jewel]

Puts us at a 141k sim which is solid

[spice surge]

Obviously assa isnt going to be amazing or op

[glass root]

then im playing wrong hehe

[spice surge]

But its definitely solid

[blazing jewel]

Well the buff isn’t implemented yet right

[glass root]

im doing like 120k

[blazing jewel]

Target dummy time

Start cranking

[spice spire]

Oh yeah. Well I run sbs

[glass root]

are we seeing any reworks?

on first boss im doing 120k

[spice spire]

10.2 afaik

[void mesa]

After a night thinking on it, I think the buff is intended to bring people back to sin, so that when they rework they have a higher sample for feedback

[keen charm]

10.X, KB sepsis echo....we have too many skills, but they also make our rotation too long. in openers we have 20+ skills need to be used

[near valley]

Tbf opener is pretty easy when u get the hang of iy

[void mesa]

Opener is chill, and then we have ER which is just send off CD and play as normal

[sharp viper]

i wish I had more buttons as sin

[void mesa]

Sepsis and DM/Vanish as your cds, and thats it..?

[final star]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

You can, don’t let your dreams be dreams my friend

[spice spire]

I wish you’d love me

[gusty mirage]

Not you

[near valley]

What if I made you a Cuban sandwhich? Would you love me?

[gusty mirage]

I already love you though

[near valley]

You passed the test, and you get the sandwhich still

[sharp viper]

for christmas I wish for kingsbane and dtb and sepsis and I want a cd reset mechanic for a new CD ability

[near valley]

You'll get exsanguinate and love it

[keen charm]

outlaw/sub can without sealfate echo or shadowdance, but assa cannot without sealfate. i can't imagine fok without sealfate

maybe we need new mechanic to get cp

[sharp viper]

i wouldn't mind exsanguinate if were back on a shorter CD

[gusty mirage]

I can't promise a cd reset mechanic

[near valley]

What a brave opinion

[gusty mirage]

but the rework could make all of that possible

[near valley]

Giff DTB and KB together cowards

[sharp viper]

like extra talent node after kingsbane, reduce kb coldown by 0.2s for every poison application outside of kb dot

*lethal poison

[keen charm]

our skills are too isolated, there is no linkage

[clever sapphire]

sbs, the only true way to play sin

[deft flicker]

Ah yes, I’m also an SBS enjoyer

S - Shuriken storm
B - Black powder
S - Specialization

pretend that the above is written in WordArt and there’s a T-posing Mathias Shaw in the corner

[supple snow]

any news on how the rework will be?

[cobalt hemlock]

no news

[spice surge]

#outlaw message
Not really "news" but he summarized it well in a single message

[supple snow]

hope they do it right

can't wait for assa to be competitive in every content

[clever sapphire]

only thing im waiting for is for assa to be able to play sbs in dungeons, if that happens im fine

[near valley]

[cobalt hemlock]

130k simming for 444itlvl is fine? saw you all were simming for 140?

[supple snow]

hopium

[grand trail]

I'm simming 130k for 448, what I'm doing wrong

[clever sapphire]

you are blue

[grand trail]

But I'm red from Wednesday

(For couple bosses )

[clever sapphire]

thats the issue, gotta commit before buffs already if you want big numba

[grand trail]

Nah

I receafted some things I had extra for m+ and than I need thorn boots next week and I'm set

After 10% haste or so robot don't want me go more haste anymore

[clever sapphire]

trust the robot, if he says you dont need more then you dont

[royal lantern]

higher is mostlyb"sark weapon/cloak/mythic trinkets" and thats it

[grand trail]

yeah only upgrade for assa for me is boots rn they are like 600 dps over explosive boots, with crafted gear

[teal geyser]

yo guys, one stupid question... what exactly does procc the "poisoned edge" - which increases my nature dmg by 40%... cannot find it in either my talents nor wowhead :/

[void mesa]

tier set

After your Deathmark expires

[teal geyser]

aaah thx mate iam just stupid ^^

[void mesa]

All good, easy to miss :p

[winter gale]

5%ish buff

Can’t wait to test it

Is bomb+essence bis combo atm?

[grand trail]

essence and class trinket (457) is 200 dps apart

but class is giga rng

[winter gale]

Yeah, I prefer essence+bomb combo.

I have maxed Beacon but I don’t like it with bomb as my bomb is macroed and I am too used to that to change it for reclears 😂

[winter gale]

Is this 5% temporary fix/buff until .2 where we should get a rework or?

[spice surge]

Yes

[winter gale]

That rework that was already postponed twice

[spice surge]

Its been postponed once

From 10.1.5 to 10.2

[winter gale]

Oh, I had .1 in my head too

Nvm, .2 this winter

[slim hamlet]

Anyone know how long the PTR is usually out before the actual patches come out?

[gusty mirage]

2ish months usually

give or take a week or two either way

[burnt latch]

10.2 PTR live next weekend

[spice spire]

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/pepega-pls-xqc-dance-pepega-dance-pepe-pls-pepega-gif-16147647

[burnt latch]

Great stuff

[slim hamlet]

2-3 weeks PTR surely then

Poggy woggy

[tight atlas]

It will be longer than 2-3 weeks on ptr. 10.1.7 isnt even out for 2 more weeks

[silk bane]

so 2-3 weeks after 10.1.7

banger

party time

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-dence-gif-22604965

[tight atlas]

Didnt max say they were gonna try to hold RWF till after blizzcon? Or did he say they were gonna try to have it before.

[fleet wharf]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[idle inlet]

I think he just wanted it to be after

[tight atlas]

Ah, gotcha. That makes more sense.

[nova flax]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rocky ruin]

Kinda early

[burnt latch]

Not really

Same time as last patch

[spiral pasture]

same as 10.1 was

week before 0.7

[burnt latch]

Yepp

[spiral pasture]

where was this confirmed btw?

[spice surge]

Right here, by none other than our man Don Herbo

[spiral pasture]

pog

[burnt latch]

Yessir

Can cash that cheque its official herbie info

[quiet oar]

Source: Trust me Bro

[void mesa]

Why wouldnt we trust him

Hes the Don Herbo

[sweet dawn]

When do you guys cloak mythic rashok?

[royal lantern]

progress every 2nd group soak

[sweet dawn]

oke ty

[balmy condor]

Every second? When cloaks on 120 second cooldown? What are you, dumb?

What a stupid piece of advice

Cloak every second

Jesus Christ

[quiet oar]

Whisp

in Fighting mood

[royal lantern]

huh?

[quiet oar]

He is trolling

[balmy condor]

How can you cloak every second tryan

[royal lantern]

the big slam that you need to soak as a group where you need to go in the middle to remove the dot...?

[quiet oar]

because second

[balmy condor]

Think about it man

[royal lantern]

man

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

im sometimes not sure if i really said dumb shit

or get trolled

[balmy condor]

It’s gonna be a good day

[tired jasper]

yo, why apl used vanish like this

why not garrote envenom garrote envenom, garrote in to dm gives 5cp

[balmy condor]

Because it’s not better

[tired jasper]

how

[royal lantern]

the apl probs did a couple thousand combinations of both and got the conclusion "its better to not do it that way"

[balmy condor]

Because the damage you get from that one gcd is better spent on mut rather than a budget marked for death

[royal lantern]

[tired jasper]

mutilate gives random cp, garrote gives 5cp

[balmy condor]

Correct

Mutilate also does instant damage and applies poisons

double garrote was only ever worth it in order to prep an exsanguinate

we don't use exsanguinate

therefore we don't prep for an exsanguinate

therefore we don't double garrote

[quiet oar]

Think about its, how are you supposed to cloak every second with 120 Seconds cooldown

[balmy condor]

this is well documented and well researched

[tired jasper]

how its work? why garrote in to dm gives 5cp?

[balmy condor]

double garrote without exsang has not been a thing since nyalotha

[balmy condor]

because the shrouded cp counts twice

you're applying 2 garrotes from stealth

because you cast one, and deathmark duplicates it

[tired jasper]

ty

[balmy condor]

so you get the 1cp from the cast, 2cp from shrouded from the stealth cast you do, and 2cp from shrouded from the stealth duplication on deathmark

[sharp viper]

amazing, my guild will be thrilled to hear another player wants OCE

[earnest remnant]

lmfao 30 sec kill

[blissful forge]

LOL

gz

[sweet dawn]

KB my beloved

[sharp viper]

[balmy condor]

tell em to bring out the whole ocean - dj khaled

[sharp viper]

ANOTHA ONE - dj khaled

[quiet oar]

You did 19 DPS and 1 tank right?

[earnest remnant]

yeh

and some degen tech

we killed it so fast i didn't even beacon

we were supposed to hold it for the heal

xD

[quiet oar]

[spice surge]

Augmentation evokers doing 576k

[earnest remnant]

we figured out how to force the 2 random EM's to go on specific targets

[spice surge]

Ye its just proximity based

Its not random

[sharp viper]

which fight was that?

[earnest remnant]

it has 100 yards range

[balmy condor]

only mythic fight that short is assault

stealthi been prepping this one parse for like 2 months

[earnest remnant]

a week

some testing and brainstorming after last weeks reclear

[void mesa]

God damn this mad raccoon did it

[balmy condor]

yeah 2 months

like I said

[void mesa]

Congrats

[spice surge]

Its just the closest target to them though? Or maybe it wont give it to them if they already have another ebon might from somebody else

[earnest remnant]

yep

[spice surge]

Other boss rooms are tool small

[earnest remnant]

there are a good amount of them you can do it on

[sharp viper]

are you planning to cheese other bosses now as well?

[slim hamlet]

Yea seems like they usually get ptr up after the last patch with these

[slim hamlet]

Max has no say in this

But there is no way they do it right before blizzcon, that would be so dumb from blizzard

[tight atlas]

obviously no say, but potentially more knowledge of the plans.

[slim hamlet]

A lot of the people that like the game enough to come to blizzcon wouldn't be able to because of rwf

Yea he has been known to do some leaks

[balmy condor]

its not really advanced knowledge

if it's just common sense

releasing a raid right during blizzcon would be dumb as fuck

[slim hamlet]

Yea this one is obvious

[sharp viper]

RWF at blizzcon would be hype though, give them heroic gear from vendors on tournament realm and let them do a proper race

[slim hamlet]

A week or two after blizzcon

Makes the most hype because they prob will talk about 10.3 or 11.0 at blizzcon too

[balmy condor]

yeh

[spiral pasture]

11.0 trailer or failed blizzcon

[balmy condor]

this blizzcon should be expac announce

[slim hamlet]

Yeah everyone saying that

But Isn't it weird to do that before 10.3 reveal?

Idk how blizzcons usually go

[balmy condor]

nah

pretty normal

[slim hamlet]

Fair

[spiral pasture]

im thinking we will be getting info on both

[sharp viper]

dragonflight feels too fresh

[slim hamlet]

Just sounds weird, you know what 10.3 entails but not what 10.3 will be

[balmy condor]

they've had dual announcements in the past

[slim hamlet]

Ohh so you think they do both?

[balmy condor]

usually they do like a reveal for 10.3 early

like as a teaser

[spiral pasture]

yh i think it makes most sense for them to do both

[balmy condor]

but this time probably just both

[burnt latch]

if they follow the .1 patch cycle, then 10.2 ptr should release next week, and 10.2 should hit live on 17th of October, which is a good 2,5 weeks before Blizzcon

[slim hamlet]

Ah yeah makes more sense

[sharp viper]

maybe just a road map for 10.3

[slim hamlet]

I thought everyone thought they would reveal 11.0 before 10.3

[balmy condor]

idk if they hustle that out

[slim hamlet]

Yea no shot right

[balmy condor]

I mean they could

but that's a tight schedule

[burnt latch]

yeah they might stretch the ptr out or release a bit later and send it week after blizzcon too, idk. but people were sceptical of them getting 10.1 out before diablo and they did it, so u never know

[slim hamlet]

Highly expect after blizzcon if not then they need to do it soon yeah

The smart thing would be to wait for blizzcon hype too

[balmy condor]

people being sceptical of getting it out before diablo are dumb as hell tho

[slim hamlet]

But also a smart thing would be to delete this season asap tbh

[balmy condor]

it's entirely different dev teams

[slim hamlet]

Also they don't know what to do with the new overlay stuff, so they probably gotta figure that out before anything releases

[burnt latch]

well tbf blizzcon producers and wow team are completely different teams too, but they wouldnt want to clash major events within the company

[sharp viper]

are they entirely different dev teams working on the different expansions as well or is there overlap

[slim hamlet]

I bet 7th/8th or 14th/15th november

[burnt latch]

i wouldnt mind this, felt like 10.2 ptr was too short

[balmy condor]

they announced shadowlands, diablo 4, and overwatch two at blizzcon all together dunno

[burnt latch]

send ptr next week, and get 3-4 weeks of extra ptr time

doesnt sound too bad

[slim hamlet]

What would they do at ptr

[burnt latch]

what you normally do wdym

[slim hamlet]

What usually comes first and stuff

I know not everything comes to ptr same time right?

[subtle tundra]

hi im ready to make your day worse

[burnt latch]

hard to say, probably some classes tier sets, some of the new currencies/systems and ofc the new zone

thats what 10.1 ptr had on release

[slim hamlet]

Fuck yes

I can't wait for our tier set to matter gameplay wise

[balmy condor]

there's some overlap just by nature of like "X dev is finishing Y thing on this patch, after that they're getting assigned to this project for the next expac" but I'm pretty sure there's like a team that gets handed the expac for a lot of the barebones work

that's how I assume it works based on how they explained in the past

[slim hamlet]

Is there always a new zone with every patch?

Or just almost always

[balmy condor]

major patches have new zones yes

[burnt latch]

always

[slim hamlet]

Wtf would a new one be here

Everyone saying some dream world shit

[burnt latch]

some lore stuff

depends on what the patch is based around

[balmy condor]

emerald dream is a big contender yeah

[slim hamlet]

Could be old continents things then maybe

[balmy condor]

I doubt that

[burnt latch]

could be anything

some lore guy probably knows

ask dratnos

[spice surge]

I mean 10.1 just made a big hole in the ground, there doesnt have to be anything hinting or prepping it beforehand

[slim hamlet]

Or they just make a portal and set the hue to green and call it a day

[gaunt moat]

Serious question:
Is there a reason why Crimson Vial costs energy?

[burnt latch]

LOL truth

fucking hole

[slim hamlet]

It barely does

[gaunt moat]

yes, that's my point.

[slim hamlet]

Idk

Because fuck you

[sharp viper]

yes because fuck you wanting to heal yourself

[slim hamlet]

Get owned n00b

Why does our op defensive also cost energy and is on gcd

Choose one

[gaunt moat]

are they afraid rogue will be too OP if we won't spend 10 energy on it?

[balmy condor]

whys it gotta be binary

[slim hamlet]

Idk

[balmy condor]

like snd "I only press it once why does it exist"

[slim hamlet]

Probably just was and now it isn't

[gaunt moat]

SnD shouldn't exist.

[balmy condor]

vial "only costs 10 energy why cost at all"

[slim hamlet]

Snd is cool on sub

Both other specs just forget it

[balmy condor]

snd is fine

[gaunt moat]

It's binary because it's not fun. it's pointless anti-player.

[slim hamlet]

Maybe in m+ u do a bit of tom foolery to keep it up

[sharp viper]

can't wait for CTTC getting removed so people can snd more often - brought to you by the same devs who thought demo locks love to cast more shadow bolts

[slim hamlet]

I like it in m+ and as sub

No reason for sin and outlul raid

[balmy condor]

having to press snd or spend 10 energy on vial is anti-player?

[gaunt moat]

yup

[slim hamlet]

You heard him

[balmy condor]

lmao

what an insane take

[slim hamlet]

What does it matter I always think when people complain about this

[burnt latch]

wait the same guys who made a tier set to make u cast more channel demonfire?

love those guys

[slim hamlet]

If you mad about it not mattering

Why you mad

[gaunt moat]

what's the justification for CV having an energy cost?

in your mind

[balmy condor]

because not every defensive should be free

[gaunt moat]

i don't think feint should be free

[balmy condor]

neither do I

[burnt latch]

i think crimson vial should cost 50 energy

make my resources matter

[gaunt moat]

because feint you time. CV you just use to heal

[slim hamlet]

You're out of energy for like 2 gcds max in a raid oull

Why we caring about this

[frozen iris]

It’s only 10 energy? 10 energy is nothing.

[balmy condor]

timing heals can be important

[slim hamlet]

Tbf the talent that reduces it cost might aswell make it 0

[burnt latch]

i want my defensives to put me in a resource debt so i can explain to my RL why i didnt feint

[slim hamlet]

But it might aswell not

[balmy condor]

you time your vials for glittering surge in p1 sark don't you?

[burnt latch]

i have a magical cloak

[balmy condor]

cloak doesn't last the entire duration

[burnt latch]

enough to keep me safe

[balmy condor]

you vial before hand

and then cloak to the end

[burnt latch]

nah u def cloak the line hit into start of glittering surge tbh

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/xzibit-meme-inception-gif-13033570

just use sporecloak so you can cloak while you cloak

[burnt latch]

moar cloaks

[slim hamlet]

I press vial whenever I forget to press Feint

[frozen iris]

Is there an initial hit that’s a huge spike in damage?

[ruby birch]

having to build is anti-player

[burnt latch]

the mass clear kinda hurts

[ruby birch]

bring back sepulcher sub tier set but for all rogue specs but 100% proc chance

thank you

[sharp viper]

hol up, could lariat be a viable option with the upcoming damage buff?

[balmy condor]

not even remotely closee

[royal lantern]

lariat is so far bellow the other options, i REALLY doubt

[gaunt moat]

sorry it's ahrd to answer i'm in the middle of a raid.
But the "timing" of a flask and of feint, are two different beasts.
feint is more skillfull. it's spammable, and it last for a short while.
the timing of a vial, is mostly just to not waste it when not needed.

energy is rirrlevent

[balmy condor]

okay so then if its irrelevant why do we care

[sharp viper]

i miss spammable feint

[final star]

you guys press crimson vial?

nice

[balmy condor]

clearly the fact that it has an energy cost is bothering you

and it bothering you means its making a mark on your gameplay

that would be a success

[sharp viper]

I also miss burst of speed

[burnt latch]

same dude

[subtle tundra]

feint no cd was better

no cost

let me

SPAM IT

[burnt latch]

what was that thing that gave u perma sprint for energy

give me that back

[sharp viper]

yeah it was

rogue was zoomin

[burnt latch]

oh u just said it above

ye burst of speed

i was cranking regular bgs with that as a kid

[royal lantern]

burst of speed

tbh

i always thought it was funny that 1 of the main reasons they removed burst of speed was "rogue was dominant in bg's as flag carrier"

and in the same patch they released vengance dh

[burnt latch]

also

bgs

[final star]

we do a lil feint pressing

[burnt latch]

the bare minimum maybe

[final star]

if I think I'm dying

if I know I live

[burnt latch]

if i think im dying and i dont have cheat up

[final star]

why press it

[sharp viper]

give it back now, noone will use rogue as flag carrier

[final star]

on prog 400 feints per pull for sure

[burnt latch]

ill risk my life to the cheat gods

[sudden canyon]

sub seems so overwhelming. Is there more buttons than sin or am i just used to sin?

[burnt latch]

surely it doesnt bug right

[subtle tundra]

if i dont die, why press button for dps loss

[sharp viper]

also incarnation guardian druids with 30s of complete and absolute CC immunity

[ruby birch]

you're overthinking sub

most likely

the difficulty in sub is proccing sophic for sectec

[burnt latch]

[final star]

just crit

[gaunt moat]

We care because if it's pointless, it has no justification.
better to remove it.
it's like if sprint had a 10 energy cost. wouldn't have much reason to be there.

[subtle tundra]

thanks notter for making whispars day worse for me

👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨

[balmy condor]

that's some marie kondo shit that just doesn't work though

[subtle tundra]

kinda want to kiss a man rn

[balmy condor]

friction is an important design tool that makes specs the way they are

[burnt latch]

Send it

[subtle tundra]

my bf went on a 5 day mountain trip

i actually wanted to go to his house

[burnt latch]

Good time to cheat

[subtle tundra]

(im not gay, its just that we're great friends)

[balmy condor]

just waving things away as a "there is no point, therefore trim it down" doesn't constitute a better designed spec

[burnt latch]

(Talking about the rogue talent)

[subtle tundra]

and my other bf is in greece

[final star]

I'd rather talk about why it's on gcd and costs energy or why symbol of hope reduces it but here we are

[subtle tundra]

with his girlfriend

[burnt latch]

Symbols reducing vial is peak scaredness

[gaunt moat]

The way i see it, the only reasoning for CV having energy cost, is so that they can add a talent that make it cost less.

[burnt latch]

Too afraid to reduce cloak cuz Blizzard Max is gonna figure out a way to cheese one mechanic on an irrelevant boss in the future

Give me cloak cdr

[balmy condor]

whats the issue with that

[burnt latch]

ill become an agent of chaos

[gaunt moat]

at least make it free if you wanna go that route

[balmy condor]

the only reason mutilate costs 50 energy is so that venom rush can refund energy back

might as well make it 40 off the rip

[spice surge]

Shadowdust exists

[balmy condor]

why does ambush exist if we just garrote from stealth anyway

[burnt latch]

Yeah dude could double down

[balmy condor]

might as well delete it and then make blindside something else

why does ambush even cost energy if blindside makes it free

[burnt latch]

Symbols and shadowdust, send the 45 sec immune rogue party to deal with mechanics, profit

[balmy condor]

just get rid of the cost

[burnt latch]

Everyone having a good time (cuz rogue is the most popular guy at parties)

[balmy condor]

only reason ambush gives 2cp

is so that there's a talent to make it give 3

sprint being 2 min cd sucks

should've just kept 1 min sprint baseline

and deleted the talent

pointless tbh

[burnt latch]

TRUTH

[ruby birch]

you guys ready for the one that trumps it all?

[burnt latch]

MAKE SYMBOLS REDUCE SPRINT CD

[ruby birch]

[burnt latch]

i wanna be able to run

[balmy condor]

not every talent needs to be kingsbane

it's okay for talents to be dogshit and boring

[ruby birch]

does NS work for chemistry spec

[balmy condor]

kinda

[burnt latch]

NS is awesome

The name is cool as hell

[balmy condor]

eleem and some dude were yapping about a bug with it in sims or in game or something

I already forgot

[ruby birch]

its existence is a bug

just a 2 point gate for imp ambush

[balmy condor]

I just wish it wasn't so janky

[burnt latch]

Send bleeds -> stealth -> watch your opponent suffer from the massive damage amp

Best ability

[ruby birch]

ye and for sub its:
-> -> -> ???

[burnt latch]

Rupture -> vanish -> watch your opponent bleed to death from the shadows

[pliant cairn]

you forgot "laugh like a villian"

[ruby birch]

its so cool

[final star]

why does whispyr exist if I remain unkissed

[spice surge]

That doesnt work though

You need to vanish > rupture for it to do anything

[balmy condor]

britain needs to get a W from somewhere, might as well be your existance

[final star]

😳

[burnt latch]

ill pretend it works

[earnest remnant]

hopefully they fix this Aug shit, before next tier

[burnt latch]

I dont mind it in raid

[earnest remnant]

i mind what we did today

[burnt latch]

Seems too well designed for m+ tho

What’d u do today

[earnest remnant]

killed Assault in 30 sec

with degen aug strat

[burnt latch]

Whats degen about it

I have no idea about any cheeses

[spice surge]

Stacking buffs on the same target

[earnest remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb4ytpXYJBs

[burnt latch]

Dont think that’ll be a thing on prog

[earnest remnant]

if they dont fix it

it most def will

you can do it another way as well

where it isnt the entire raid going out but just the group

[void mesa]

wait, can I get a TLDR about the going far away pre-pull strat? o.o

[spice surge]

Its to stack all the aug buffs on the same targets

[earnest remnant]

probably gonna go up on wowhead in a days time

[void mesa]

o

[spice surge]

Same thing as the 28 evokers 2 DKs thing earlier this season except its just 4 of them so its slightly less degen

[void mesa]

Did they make Ebon Might unstackable... except when out of combat?

[spice surge]

Only stacks up to 4 times

[earnest remnant]

nah just only to 4

[void mesa]

OH

now i get it

the "you dont get buff" people are the ones away

[earnest remnant]

and aug gives out 2 other EM's

so you spread out like this

[void mesa]

so you can concentrate the buffs on the Arcane/UHDK/2x demo

[earnest remnant]

so it can only go on those people stacked on black

and augs are on green

raid on red

and as soon as they cast EM

you just take the summon

[void mesa]

Couldnt the augs also be on black?

[earnest remnant]

no

[final star]

no

[burnt latch]

Think thats cool asf tbh

[final star]

they'd buff eachother

[earnest remnant]

then they go on other Augs

[void mesa]

ahh buff each other

lmao

okay yeah

[earnest remnant]

it has 100 yard range

so xD

[void mesa]

this is degen af

[burnt latch]

Yeah peak degen

But dont think u can cheese any serious boss like this

Especially on prog

[final star]

you could probably beat it with 4 warlocks

[void mesa]

jeez, the two demos with basically 1M augmented dps

this really throws back to the mass aug + uhdk shit

[vestal wren]

i assumed that was how it was intnded to work

[earnest remnant]

just need to not be able to stack 4x4 like this

[vestal wren]

too exploitable ^^

[quiet oar]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-assault-defeated-in-30-seconds-augmentation-evoker-stacking-and-334636?webhook

[worldly sail]

didn't take so long

[quiet oar]

Already WoWhead post

[earnest remnant]

lol

[midnight mist]

wtf did I just watch brotherman

[earnest remnant]

told you it was degen

[drifting cloud]

[humble ginkgo]

LMFAO

What a crazy vid stealthi

Wp

What was that one guild who would always go for super fast kills

Idk if it was an oce guild

[earnest remnant]

Honestly?

[humble ginkgo]

Maybe i forgor

Whats the range on the evoker buffs

I really thought it was gonna be same as devastation range

[drifting cloud]

think honestly just gets speed kill because of how cracked they are

[earnest remnant]

nah they do stuff for it as well

[earnest remnant]

EM is 100yards

[humble ginkgo]

I remember they were the first to 3 heal rasz

[drifting cloud]

I mean even in aberrus they had really good timers just doing

4 heal reclears some of the time

lol

[humble ginkgo]

Ah ok

I wonder if bosses could get cheesed like this next tier

Would make for a crazy opener

[earnest remnant]

it can

[humble ginkgo]

Maybe new meta

[earnest remnant]

you can do this on so many bosses

[humble ginkgo]

Legit any like dps check

U just do this lmfao

Well thats nice tho

Bc u possibly just killed augmentation with this

[earnest remnant]

that was our plan

[humble ginkgo]

Good job

[earnest remnant]

to make them fix it

[midnight mist]

I wonder what blizzard next move is now

[drifting cloud]

fuck aug

[humble ginkgo]

Legit mastermind

[humble ginkgo]

Kill it for a tier

[grim tangle]

just delete augvoker problem solved

[final star]

tyoo late to delete it

[humble ginkgo]

They will most likely give em a smaller range

[final star]

just need to make it so 2 is best AT MOST

[humble ginkgo]

But u can still do this

On a smaller range

Lmao

And if they fix the taking a summon thing u just have warlock gates

[earnest remnant]

just make it so the "random" Ebon might, cant go on a target that already has it

so its only the prescience one you can force

[humble ginkgo]

Did you do it on rashok?

[earnest remnant]

no

[humble ginkgo]

Full clear with this strat

Legit insane openers every boss

[earnest remnant]

we only did the summon strat on kazzara (to test it) and assault for the speed

[humble ginkgo]

And it dies in a minute max

Ah

Would be sick for insane speed on farm

[earnest remnant]

it just takes a good amount of time to do

[balmy condor]

guis henlo I just seen wowhead post 30 second assault kill rogue paly assassin? Best spec now? thanks very

[grim tangle]

they better nerf if I don't wanna do that degen stuff on our speed kills

[drifting cloud]

technically more on topic than most of the time

[earnest remnant]

pretty sure i can squeeze out more dmg

i couldve chained Tea's

and my beacon didn't hit

so

[balmy condor]

stealthi using kingsbane? I seen it in logarithm

very op now?

[drifting cloud]

insta beacon after taking summon

[earnest remnant]

yeah

im just gonna do that if we do it again before they fix it

we can go like 4-5sec faster

[balmy condor]

also should've just taken a second or two to get your 6cp snd, 6cp rupture up

[midnight mist]

brother you really didnt beacon

[balmy condor]

push as much of the deathmark/kingsbane into the execute

at the end

[earnest remnant]

yeh i kinda went in blind with the build i was playing

did the opener 3 times on a dummy and then just went with it

[balmy condor]

yeh

took me a bit to figure it out on heroic with the build too

[earnest remnant]

seeing KB dmg tho is so nice

[balmy condor]

mine was even more degen

opener is just full cancer

I played it with exsang one week and my head actually crumbled in on itself

[earnest remnant]

we were supposed to hold them for when he phased

so make sure he didn't heal

he just died before mine hit

never again

[midnight mist]

oh I see

[spice surge]

Nightstalker vanish for kingsbane

[earnest remnant]

i just send on pull

[bronze pike]

hey guys i see my patented 5% aura damage buff fix to sin really paid off

based btw

[midnight mist]

ye sin buff was so big they were able to kill the boss in 30s

crazy

sin might get nerfed now cause of it tho

[quiet oar]

Buffs reversed

[bronze pike]

ya they get nerfed

[quiet oar]

Its now - 5% aura

[bronze pike]

so i can release my latest fix

anyways

is the sin faq uptodate? unboxing my rogue again

[balmy condor]

No it’s actually got legion stuff in there

Like kingsbane

[midnight mist]

I dont think so

looks out of date to me

[bronze pike]

unfort

better reshelve the rogue

[balmy condor]

Need to update to “you’re not stealthi don’t bother”

[midnight mist]

imagine not even supporting the best build smh my head

[balmy condor]

I’m saving my energy for 10.2

Cause lord fucking knows I’ll need it

[bronze pike]

oh ya

def

[midnight mist]

cant wait

[snow kindle]

i cannot believe your 5 augs all parsed 100%

[quiet oar]

Whisp is twisted today

[snow kindle]

and they arent even close to each other

LOL

thats actually crazy

[bronze pike]

realz was in dh cord the other day and ask if the feedback channels are up to date

so shits gonna get rocky for 10.2

[midnight mist]

ye he asked for feedback in each spec channels in here aswell

[balmy condor]

alternatively, could've just read the server nicknames of like 5 mentally ill demon hunter otp's

[bronze pike]

based

[bronze pike]

10.2 is gonna be something for sure

hearing more rumors of other specs going to be touched, like hunter and ww

[subtle kiln]

tier and reworks. time to get crazy

[frozen iris]

Is this due to how much simming you’re gonna be doing or something else?

[balmy condor]

simming is one thing but there's plenty of interactions that are going to need testing, bug hunting, general theorycrafting, wowhead articles, all the guide updates, pins with info, moderating the flood of new people in the channel

[spice surge]

People pinging him asking him if he considered the most obvious combination imagineable to man (since its not simming the highest)

[balmy condor]

new stuff is ripe for misinfo and random arguments

[subtle kiln]

34% crit cap. LFG!!!!!

[bronze pike]

shit gets really bad

[balmy condor]

won't even be the new stuff half the time

[subtle tundra]

i will do ptr testing!!!

[bronze pike]

when stuff gets reworked

[midnight mist]

do you not like it tho whisp, beta/ptr cycles are always my favorite moments

[balmy condor]

it'll be some dumb shit like "WHY IS SLICE STILL IN THE GAME????????"

[bronze pike]

yall are legit gonna have bad time

[balmy condor]

"THEY DIDNT DELETE ECHOING REPRIMAND WTF?

[subtle kiln]

#deleteexsang

[quiet oar]

Whisp have you really simmed every Situation for kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

just the most deranged garbage flooding the channel for no good reason other than a necessity for them to scream into the void

[subtle kiln]

[quiet oar]

Stealthi did crazy dmg with it

[balmy condor]

yes I know

I told him to play it

[subtle kiln]

got any of those 30 second sims with lust?

[quiet oar]

So its New bis

[bronze pike]

the amount of dt's i got in dms during ret rework was kinda

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JdaDntMRrK3QLF1j#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=14

[bronze pike]

jarring

[balmy condor]

I was playing kingsbane beacon on assault speed kills in june buddy

stay woke

[bronze pike]

yu go woke u go broke whispyr

youve doomed sin and kingsbane

[royal lantern]

why is fok still not shuriken storm?

[balmy condor]

#wow-general message

[royal lantern]

bad good and good bad

[balmy condor]

hear me out right, what if

the ability didn't do what the ability did

thoughts?

[royal lantern]

sounds good

also blade flurry

[past forum]

you beat the main character of wow on a single pull, careful or they'll rethink the buffs

[runic hinge]

@earnest remnant gratz on the speed kill

[idle gorge]

How is sin after the buffs? (compared to sub ST). The sims seem pretty even.

[balmy condor]

pin

[idle gorge]

Seems good

[sudden canyon]

did zerocool get banned from twitch xD

[balmy condor]

he's on kick apparently

[sudden canyon]

outlaw main soon

[woeful meteor]

and he's banned yes

since 8.8

[balmy condor]

what happened

[woeful meteor]

idk just looked at the streamban bot and it's on 8.8

and he hasn't been unbanned, when it's a first ban so has to be pretty bad whatever happened

[toxic night]

his stream title was banned on twitch for a month

[balmy condor]

[thick sail]

Man I thought we were getting an assassination rework. I guess a 5% buff is fine

[balmy condor]

we're getting the rework in 10.2

not 10.1.7

[thick sail]

Oh okay, that's good news

Whisp

If me and gf's ilev is 436, is the new megadungeon worth doing for upgrades? We haven't tried it yet

My lowest piece is a crafted 420

[balmy condor]

secone boss drops bis offhand

[thick sail]

Her lowest is... Idk

Oh. Big yes then, yay

[balmy condor]

the trinkets are.......

fine I guess

mirror is good

[thick sail]

I have uh

[balmy condor]

sandglass is fine

but if you're 436 then they should probably be at least equal or better