assassination

[misty kernel]

i got pi at last boss too

not biz

🙂

[earnest remnant]

class that scales with haste vs class that dont

[misty kernel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8N4St6t74si3xhSBXWtbL3

thats 3 min only

and tyra bosses go 5 min

resim 5 min

its 89K or 88k

nice ST

tanks can beat us

[earnest remnant]

lol

[misty kernel]

PW 3 min

they need to make kingsbane be an option with DTB + CARNAGE

[earnest remnant]

thats my sub st sim in dungeon gear 5min

[misty kernel]

otherwise ST will always be bad

when i sim for dungeons

i dont put all raid buffs

i put what i will have

[subtle tundra]

itssss okay we have iron wire it balances out

[misty kernel]

i put only Battle shout from biz

ya iron wire

8 targets silence

it will buy +5 min in the key

only fix (they need to make kingsbane be an option with DTB + CARNAGE)

[subtle tundra]

to be fair, it kinda synergises with bear cause bear is squishy on pull

[misty kernel]

ya bear cant pull 50 mobs like other tanks

he play 2 mobs at a time

so

[earnest remnant]

ive been spending my time setting up at 45 sec nuke assa build for some speed stuff

[misty kernel]

5% auto attack buff will be 30-35k+ ST gain

we good

[earnest remnant]

apl is kinda wonky for it, and im not gonna bother whispyr about it

[misty kernel]

AP build u will sim 70k ST

gl in M+

u will ltrly lose to tank in pure st fight

after all nerfs to exodia comp no dungeon nerfs season is over allrdy

coz the keys they timed in prime they cant even time it anymore

[earnest remnant]

whats the title cut off at?

3400 smth?

[atomic star]

im still waiting for them to old yeller augmentation

it will be the greatest day in world of warcraft history

[earnest remnant]

im like 3300 with 2x 20 uldaman and a 26 nontimed fort HOI

[cerulean nest]

crazy that we're indisputably meta now

[misty kernel]

cutt off bounded 250 rio since dogmination spec came out

[subtle tundra]

im so glad i decided to quit this season after i finished the raid

[misty kernel]

this is the worst M+ balance from 10 seasons

[atomic star]

do people actually still do keys with assassination?

i feel like its bad for your mental health

i can barely even stand doing 16s

[misty kernel]

i stopped at 3200+ smth

[earnest remnant]

i have fun playing the dungeons, just feels kinda bad that there are nothing you can do to even come close

[misty kernel]

and went sub

waiting for rework

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[atomic star]

i timed all 20s on both weeks and couldnt be bothered anymore

[subtle tundra]

i dont even like IC

[earnest remnant]

like wtf is the HOI miniboss on 26+ fort

who thought

YEP

thats fine

[subtle tundra]

so i cant even play for fun

[misty kernel]

they need to buff unholy dk

and nerf assa

tbh balance is not fair

[atomic star]

i can only have fun in m+ if im on voice with the tank

not knowing when he's going to pull more and wasting my IC makes me want to jump off a bridge

[misty kernel]

mob at 1% tank chain to keep u in combat ETA GG

[atomic star]

but if i dont use it

[misty kernel]

or u pop lC at 5 mobs he chain another 5 in 5 sec

[atomic star]

they just do 3 mobs forever

you understand me

[earnest remnant]

this needs to die in hell

its not okay

[atomic star]

you hold ic for like 7 seconds after the pull 1 pack

[earnest remnant]

that it hits me for 620k

[misty kernel]

only range can play that

[atomic star]

then you assume they wont pull more and pop it

instantly pull the next pack xd

[misty kernel]

@earnest remnant u feint 1 2nd u die

all season designed for rane

[earnest remnant]

like you have to play

[misty kernel]

range

[earnest remnant]

Fade to nothing to live it

[misty kernel]

nah its fine bro u feint 1 u cos one then u sprint out range 50 yards

[earnest remnant]

you time dance to one cast and feint the other

[subtle tundra]

also IM SO HAPPY I DONT HAVE TO PLAY VORTEX PINNACLE

EVER AGAIN

[misty kernel]

then u come back 2nd cast is coming u run again

HAHAHA

[earnest remnant]

and when dance doesent line up you either vanish or cloak it

[atomic star]

vortex pinnacle is the most miserable ive ever felt in a dungeon

[misty kernel]

@subtle tundra vortex best melee dungeon design what are u saying

u have 100% uptime in the dungeon

[subtle tundra]

you do first pull, insta tilt

[atomic star]

most boring dungeon on the planet

[brazen ferry]

Is there a good middle ground for crafting for multi spacing? I find ass the best for me personally in ST but haven’t landed on a spec

[misty kernel]

u never lose any uptime in vortex as melee 😄

[earnest remnant]

both sub and assa kinda like crit/mast

but the difference comes that sub then wants vers and assa a bit of haste

[misty kernel]

@earnest remnant yday 27 FH tyra 1st boss 1 shot me from 100 to 0

with 21% vers

with stam buff

[earnest remnant]

really

[misty kernel]

ya its good design

[brazen ferry]

I know sub and outlaw recommend Crit vers head 447 craft with toxic

[misty kernel]

only SP-mage-aug can play

[earnest remnant]

it got me to like 20% on a 26 two weeks ago

but i play with

bear, hpal spriest aug

so

[brazen ferry]

Would it be chill to craft head as either Crit vers or do the Crit mastery and rock the slime for all 3 specs?

[misty kernel]

crit,vers for head is better

and rings crit,mast crit,mast

[balmy condor]

crit/mast for sub/sin and crit/vers for sin/outlaw

[misty kernel]

and key above 26 in tyra u need 30%+ vers or u get 1 shot

[earnest remnant]

27 neltharus was kinda chill

[brazen ferry]

I do all 3 and haven’t landed 🙈 so I’m not sure where I will go crafting wise xD

[balmy condor]

just pick something

[silk bane]

I did it on a 27 before augvoker came out. that was a banger. I just got one shot. u litearlly had to bring tripple range to out range it

[misty kernel]

@silk bane all season not melee friendly not a single key

[balmy condor]

going vers on one piece won't do shit for your damage

[brazen ferry]

I guess I can always change missive, and im just overthinking

[brazen ferry]

In a won’t make much of a difference kind of way?

[silk bane]

yeah it wasnt but atleat you could play the game. then 10.1.5 came and they said okay only these 5 specs are allowed to play the game. then they nerfed everything and now no one can play the game banger

[balmy condor]

in any way

secondaries are whatever

[misty kernel]

bro this is worst season ever

for balancing

s1 was super good

[balmy condor]

ilvl is the biggest upgrade

[misty kernel]

i went assa all way 0 sub keys 3550

[brazen ferry]

Okies

[misty kernel]

world rank 6 rogue world 100 rank all classes

now i cant get invited to 27 keys

rank 2000 world all classes andy

KEKW

just lost 1990 rank

[silk bane]

yeah i was watching your streams! we were trying to copy your strat for AA but didnt have iron wire so was rough 😛

[misty kernel]

1900*

i swear season 1 alot of people had fun

even off meta specs

now this season 5 classes

5 specs

and thats it

[subtle tundra]

ok frost mage is good too ive heard

[misty kernel]

but tgp ends in 2 days we hope for dungeons nerfs so we can time higher keys

[subtle tundra]

so its 6 specs

[silk bane]

yeah season 1 was incredible. almost every class was viable

[misty kernel]

@subtle tundra for BH ya but no one was even needing it

its ltrly 5 specs and others can spam weeklies for 6 month 🙂

now they destroy the god comp

another nerfs

so they cant even time the keys they timed

so if they dont nerf dungeons

season is overallrdy

am expecting dungeons nerfs after tgp is over

otherwise wait s3

[dusky plinth]

they are just clueless, if no dungeon nerfs

[silk bane]

the neltharus buff legit blew my mind

[dusky plinth]

season is over

[misty kernel]

ya no dungeon changes its over need massive nerfs

and u still need priest for 6 keys

healer or SP

coz MD & mindsoothe

[subtle tundra]

season been over for 3 months, y'all been dreamin

[dusky plinth]

its simple, delete stealth detection from all trash

[misty kernel]

@subtle tundra its not rly over if they do dungeons nerfs

[dusky plinth]

cant be that hard

nerf mass despell spells

and nerf augmentation group tankiness

am i hired for balance team?

[misty kernel]

dogmentation evoker ruined the whole game

[dusky plinth]

took me 5 sec

yeah last season felt so good, we played dogshit comb and still felt no pressure in getting title at all

and now you have to play this shit specs

[earnest canopy]

augmentation ruined the season but 0.1% in this channels is doing 27s or 28 keys

[misty kernel]

dogmentation

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-dracthyr-gif-26308612

[earnest canopy]

😄

[dusky plinth]

also all the random tankabilities hitting melees, and the random bites, all deleted

[misty kernel]

they go in the key clueless give champaign and cheer the grp

[misty kernel]

range dont know those exists

[dusky plinth]

and if you fail they have good advice

dont forget that

from there 17+ keys exp

[earnest canopy]

its funny when you invite augmentation and check he or hes last season score

[dusky plinth]

ah yeah i do that all the time

[misty kernel]

they were 2.7k 2.6k players

[dusky plinth]

and already open note for ignore xD

[misty kernel]

ddnt have title

most of the augmination rerollers

and now 3.6k with completing the exodia comp

[dusky plinth]

yeah its amazing how less basic game understanding is running high keys

dude

you have to tell 75% to take mass derage

[silk bane]

I did a key with someone, this person was a preservation season 1 (peaked like 3k io last season, was 2800 this season before aug). goes aug, this person hit 3500 in 2 weeks.

[dusky plinth]

last week

and than they tell you "but its 2 min cd"

[silk bane]

like we invited this person cuz 3500 io, then theyre dying to litearlly every single possible thing they can die too

[dusky plinth]

and you tell them "no its not cause you broken"

[misty kernel]

and they ruin higher keys coz they clueless

[silk bane]

i just stopped playing at that point

[earnest canopy]

interrupt?

wtf

[dusky plinth]

interesting that everyone is having the same experience with them xD

[earnest canopy]

im like 3k player myself because no team but there is good augment players also

[misty kernel]

1% out of the 99% rerollers

thats it

[earnest remnant]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/mythic-high-keys-abated-for-rest-of-season-2-463176

[earnest canopy]

true

bear tanks also die in first pull without augment

[dusky plinth]

as you said im hoping for the "hiroshima"-patch that nerfs dungeons so hard, that its like a soft reset

[misty kernel]

what is this ?

[earnest remnant]

keys nerfed

[dusky plinth]

and they have to nerf augmentation before that

[misty kernel]

i dont think 2% is enough

but prayge

[earnest canopy]

Above keystone level 20, each additional keystone level will now increase enemy health and damage by 8% (was 10%).

[silk bane]

its kinda big.

[misty kernel]

big ?

i dont say

[earnest canopy]

😄

[misty kernel]

its big

[earnest remnant]

if you think about it

in a 26

[dusky plinth]

Thats so blizzard xD, it changes like nothing

[silk bane]

like u need mostly 26-27s for a title right now. and thats about 14-15%

[earnest remnant]

its 12% less

[silk bane]

nerf

[earnest canopy]

can use energy on something else than feint 😄

[dusky plinth]

yeah but it doesnt change the problem

so augmentation is not doing 3 key levels higher than non aug?

ah i see you already talked about the joke buffs

[runic hinge]

Is kingsbane viable now with new buffs? (Pls don’t shoot me)

[weary ice]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[subtle tundra]

why would the buffs change any viability

[runic hinge]

I’m memeing

[balmy condor]

tbh I'm surprised we got anything before 10.2

[past forum]

Do most assa mains like kingsbane? Would it be a W if it became competitive again?

I rly enoyed it but I’m certainly not an assa main

[balmy condor]

yes

[frozen iris]

Yes

[thorn bobcat]

did anyone crunch the numbers yet? looks like sin will be the ST go to spec?

[balmy condor]

kingsbane is one of the most wanted things

[balmy condor]

pins

[thorn bobcat]

thanks

[past forum]

I found it really enjoyable as a casual rogue enjoyer but when I swapped to rogue for my guild’s raid I chose sub cause it was the easier spec to pick up imo and then I just got used to it. Could certainly see myself putting more effort in if kb sin was more competitive overall

[vapid sierra]

10.2 hopefully

[broken ibex]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

Mfs act like you haven’t been Stockholm syndromed into crunching numbers 2 seconds into updates

[balmy condor]

Mid stream, mid poe league start

“Ah shit”

Starts alt tabbing furiously

[spice spire]

[blazing jewel]

I could give realz a smooch on the lips rn on god

sin rogue loooking crisp frfr

[subtle tundra]

but... nothing's changed

[blazing jewel]

???

[spice spire]

Temporary thing

[silk bane]

hi im realz where mah smooch

[blazing jewel]

[past bobcat]

Sin still looking like poo

[silk bane]

okay srious question, how is aug damage calculated?

like some logs its taking damage out of my trinkets and autos

like everything flat out does like 10-12% less dmaage

including autos and trinkets and embelishments

then some other logs it doesnt take it out of trinkets and autos and embelishments

[void mesa]

waaaaaait

aura buff before 10.2

this is sus

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-gif-26166638

Nah but like most of it is through blizzard adding combat hooks where like 10% increased damage for example would be 1000 damage from you, 100 from augvoker, that gets separated out

Other things are more tricky

Like crit chance is estimated

It’s not actually “real” crit

[ebon cloud]

are the buffs on raidbots yet?

or effecting sims atm?

[dawn haven]

nope

[ebon cloud]

ight sweet

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

Just in the pins atm

Have to override it

Auto’s won’t be in until the code gets added no way to override it quickly

[ebon cloud]

ty king

[gaunt moat]

https://discordapp.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923750073499648/1139150038371680318
I was 9 days too early

you're welcome everyone!

[runic hinge]

Bless you

[silk bane]

thanks whisper, It is weird thuogh, like i feel like if I get aug buff vs if i dont, the difference is ilke 5k on details. but like 15-20k in logs

somethings not adding up

[worthy timber]

Glad to see some buffs for assass in pve. but it is needed in pvp as well

[oak tangle]

what's that?

[deft flicker]

Player vs Pillar

[clever sapphire]

Oh im good at that, running into pillars in my free tims

[spice surge]

Depends on which buffs youre getting

The main stat buff wont affect beacon, but the vers one does

[spice spire]

It doesn’t say it wasn’t added to pvp though

Usually if it’s not Included it’ll denote specifically that

[spice surge]

Ye it should apply to pvp too

[keen spruce]

I’m leave for 2 days and we get dungeon nerds, more meta nerfs, AND a +5% flat?!

https://tenor.com/view/friday-ice-cube-it-was-a-good-day-good-day-nod-gif-4301739

[deft flicker]

Yes

[keen spruce]

Caught 2 fall chinook salmon

[deft flicker]

We’ve got the finest nerfs in the land

[keen spruce]

Only minor sunburns

[spice spire]

You should leave more often

(I’m hating rn)

[keen spruce]

Troooo

Every time I’m out of town good things happen to ys

Us

[spice spire]

Ur the chosen one

[deft flicker]

The duck of good fortune

[sudden canyon]

remembering this convo. kek

[balmy condor]

I’d really hate for Assassination to get another 5% buff and also a 10% buff to kingsbane and a kiss goodnight and a woman to tell me I’m enough

Oh nooo haha

Don’t do it blizzard

Aaaaa that would suck

[sudden canyon]

not a woman but youre kenough

anywhere else youd be a 10

[balmy condor]

Thank you I’m sobbing into my vodka redbull

[pure skiff]

Is the class trinket going to be stronger now with the auto attack buff since it gives vers?

[balmy condor]

Stronger yes

[deft flicker]

Ball and dice are getting better, so ig class trinket will as well

[balmy condor]

Stronger than other trinkets? Debatable

[pure skiff]

Yeh I’m just trying to gauge what trinkets to use now I have a few just kinda torn

[dawn haven]

Also not a woman but you're enough homie.

Would def hate that buff if it ever happened.

[balmy condor]

I haven’t seen you in a hot minute

How you been broham

[dawn haven]

Honestly just chilling lmao

I'm liking what I'm seeing tho, I can play Sin again for more than just fun.

[balmy condor]

Bomb + something, with something being:

• beacon
• dice
• nelth
• chromatic (if you have all the buffs)
• anvil if it’s a mythic fight and you’re in for the long fight

[gusty mirage]

thanks for tagging me at 3am

that's super cool of you

[dawn haven]

It's 4:50pm actually.

🤓

[balmy condor]

@gusty mirage league start check

[gusty mirage]

don't you have some bowling lanes to maintain?

[balmy condor]

I finished bowling 20 min ago

Averaged over 200 thank you very much

[gusty mirage]

none of that means anything to me

[balmy condor]

It means I did good

Be happy for once in your life

If only for me

[dawn haven]

oxi being happy?

[spice surge]

[balmy condor]

He’s happy he just doesn’t like showing it

[dawn haven]

He does tho, I can see the smile when he types about rogue being in the dumpster

Joy in its purest form.

[balmy condor]

We all find our purest happiness while shitting on our favorite spec in our favorite game

I honestly think people don’t enjoy a game until they start talking shit about it

When they talk shit about a game that’s when they care

[dawn haven]

Never have I heard such wisdom and truth in all my years.

I'm tearing up.

[balmy condor]

Ain’t a single mfer be like “yeah I really like this game, I’m enjoying it a lot” and actually enjoy it

[gusty mirage]

when I become indifferent, that's when I'll quit

because at that point I couldn't give less of a fuck about the game, the class, or the spec

[dawn haven]

Bro knowing Blizzard's track record, that's impossible

[balmy condor]

They actually taught us this in music school. The worst reaction you can have to your music is no reaction

If people hate on it, that means they listened and cared about it enough to form an opinion

And that’s a W

[bronze pike]

fucking true

not a day goes by wheere im not ripping on vdh or ret

[worthy timber]

I just assumed it wasnt because it wasnt listed under the PvP section of the patch notes like all the others

[balmy condor]

The pvp section is reserved for pvp-only changes. If the overall notes don’t have a note saying it doesn’t apply to pvp, it applies to pvp as well

So these changes for example are overall changes

And should apply to all content

[worthy timber]

thanks for that confirmation

[balmy condor]

Np

[deft flicker]

Either that or they were scavenging for a reason to be pissed off

(which probably means they want to care about stuff. Or want to pretend they care to find some support. Humaning is hard)

[royal lantern]

still no 447 dice and no orb somewhat sucks now

but w/e

patch is over anyway

[obtuse ruin]

when does this season end?

[royal lantern]

when the next patch comes out

[worthy timber]

10.2

[quiet oar]

2 months probably

But nobody knows

[worthy timber]

im guessing 10/17/23

[balmy condor]

You ever think about how weird of a word scaevening is?

Kinda weird

Scavenging

Weird letters

I think tortoise is another werird one

[deft flicker]

Yea

Tbh scavenging as an activity is also weird

But it doesn’t feel out of place for me

[blazing jewel]

whole lot of turbulence incoming for sin logs

[balmy condor]

I got a fried that will forage mushhromms

Weirdo

[deft flicker]

Turquoise is a much more weird word

[blazing jewel]

whispyr just wants the extra special mushrooms

[balmy condor]

Just goes out into the Forrest and finds mushhrooms

[deft flicker]

Mushrooms are cool

[balmy condor]

Whotf does that

[spice surge]

Its just french

[deft flicker]

I did some mushroom foraging like 2 weeks ago. Had fun

[balmy condor]

Going to aldi doesn’t count my dude

[spice surge]

A lot of people do, atleast here since its not tresspassing going into any forest

[deft flicker]

I went to a forest

With a basket and a knife

[balmy condor]

Eu has some weird fucking people

[deft flicker]

The hardest part is actually knowing where to go to find stuff

Forest is big and not all parts are mushroomed enough

[spice surge]

Its free food

[deft flicker]

Foraging for berries is somehow harder though

You find them more consistently but they’re small af

[spice surge]

Depends on what berries youre after

[deft flicker]

Blueberries

I heard somewhere that stuff like this is easier with ADHD or smth

[cobalt hemlock]

Poggers

[balmy condor]

I’m arter eleemeberries

[royal lantern]

americans when people go into nature and do stuff

[blazing jewel]

fuck nature

[balmy condor]

I’m allergic to all shthat garbage

[blazing jewel]

we only live on concrete smh

[royal lantern]

but ye, mushroom collecting is not really that unique

[vestal wren]

https://tenor.com/view/chipmunk-chippunk-chippunks-elrond-elrondnfts-gif-25579588

[spice surge]

Aka deez nuts

[quiet oar]

[vestal wren]

why is this edited -.-

[balmy condor]

Eine rundedurchs ried

Fuckkkedg up man

Myeeyes start watering

My nose started runnin

I can’t breathe

Shitssucks so bad

I will never touch grasss again

Grass ain’t never been nice to me

[vestal wren]

tbh it depends what you are alergic too

[balmy condor]

Eeveeythign

Doessnt matter

Everything

Grass, pollen

Water reeds

[spice surge]

Fur too? Like cats etc

[royal lantern]

yoooo same

[balmy condor]

No

[royal lantern]

including dust

[balmy condor]

Just plaants

[royal lantern]

[vestal wren]

i saw this on reddit yesterday

https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/15tygvd/i_was_bitten_by_a_lone_star_tick_while_hiking_and/

^ image beeing this unlucky

[spice surge]

Im the opposite, dust and cats 🚫
Plants ✅

[balmy condor]

I would kms

Legit eat meat every day

Sounds miserable

[vestal wren]

i have a light alergy against some grass/polen but its like only a very short time
at the beginning of summer when those specific ones grow

[balmy condor]

Tbh

That’s probably the best allergy

If it’s like only for 2 weeks

[vestal wren]

you can also just take a pill for it, its not too bad

my gf is lactose intollerant, even tho she can also do that, its worse

[royal lantern]

grass/dust/rye

going outside in spring/summer kills me, going inside kills me if its not cleaned every couple of days, rye just kills me

[static glacier]

Spent like 20ish years of my life never suffering then boom, hay fever w/ itchy eyes and blocked nose. Allergies are wierd

[balmy condor]

Same shit with me

I’m highschool grass didnlthing

But then when I went back after I graduated

[static glacier]

RIP

[balmy condor]

The entire grass on campus fucked me over

[static glacier]

Nowadays I mainly just get itchy eyes if anything at all, seemed to have calmed down

I’m starting to think there’s a specific type of pollen that fucks with people

[royal lantern]

ye, except that allergic pills are straight up sleep drugs

[static glacier]

Ayo are you the Xan Man?

[vestal wren]

the ones i took are not

[balmy condor]

The hatman is a crazy dude

[blazing jewel]

one perc please

[balmy condor]

Mollypercocet

Represent

Gottarespente

Banger song

[blazing jewel]

read the bible of future daily

how does one relearn sin in time for next reclear

[quiet oar]

Target dummy

You dummy

[blazing jewel]

dummies are the stink

[balmy condor]

What’s there to learn

Sepsis -> gar

Push the mutilate button

[blazing jewel]

its been weeks bro

[balmy condor]

Envenom

[deft flicker]

Pull out a turnip

Queue into LFR

Or maybe some timewalking content

[blazing jewel]

did you just say timewalking

[deft flicker]

No

[blazing jewel]

[deft flicker]

I typed

What else were you expecting??

A random Whispyr flying into your window and deepthroating you with Magical Assa Awareness Juice??

[spice surge]

With what

[pseudo hamlet]

Do the 5% ability and auto-attack buffs have huge impact on the Dice vs Chromatic? (the second trinket I am using is the bomber)
I have both of them on 447.
Was wondering if they sim properly, because Chromatic was ~500-600 DPS better than the Dice before the buffs.

[balmy condor]

Eleemberies

[spice surge]

Shouldnt have any noticeable difference

Since theyre both stat trinkets

Whereas damage effects get relatively weaker

[pseudo hamlet]

Anyway, is there a simple string for the sims to show which buff is best from the chromatic?
I was just simming each buff separately and choosing them manually in the raidbot.

[toxic night]

hey guys dont know if this got answered already but is it better to spam CT in aoe or look for good poison bombs procs with envenom ? ( i swear sometimes i get RNG cucked with poison bomb) maybe spamming ct is more solid

[balmy condor]

Neither is better

Both is better

Or maybe one

Assa aoe is so fun

[pseudo hamlet]

I think it's like:
-keep CT bleed on everyone
-use either CT/PB, if you have trash gathered - can try to use PB, if they are out of range for it - use CT

[balmy condor]

Which one is better to spam depends on what your copium is

If your copium is prio damage funnel huge then you envenom

If your copium is max aoe I’m gonna be useful I promise look it’s an aoe finisher

Then you ct

And the difference is unnoticeable

[pseudo hamlet]

Wouldn't PB be better with the 4PC bonus?
Especially with the Echoin Reprimand - because of the higher chance of proc(7CP)?

[balmy condor]

And both are shit

And you cry

[balmy condor]

Yeh but even then it’s kinda whatever

[pseudo hamlet]

I know the difference wouldn't be noticeable that much, but was just wondering.

[balmy condor]

Envenom during tier is technically better if your pb hits everything

[pseudo hamlet]

The Assa reworK cannot come soon enough...

[balmy condor]

True

[blazing jewel]

He would

[indigo mulch]

Is assa actually getting a rework? D:

[slow tulip]

rogue as a whole gets a rework this expansion ye

[quiet oar]

Talent tree

Gets a change

its more like a mage rework not a ret rework

[ancient rain]

I think that might be the same thing

[deft flicker]

The magnitude is different

[ancient rain]

Someone let me know if I can swap to assa on sark prog. I can't take agency on my own

[deft flicker]

Ret/Holy got a complete redesign from the ground up, mages are mostly the same as they were before but got rid of annoying/useless stuff

[deft flicker]

You can

Assa’s the only one capable of getting big profit from haste buff there

[blazing jewel]

Bold take incoming

Post buff it will likely be the best sark spec

[tardy basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[onyx sigil]

it already was the best sark spec unless your comp has a hard time with adds

[indigo mulch]

No comp has a hard time with adds

everyone wants to padd 😄

[blazing jewel]

Sin isn’t even that bad at the prio ad

[onyx sigil]

I swapped to sin for prog the first time they buffed it and I think it was the right move then

[spice surge]

Idk either one is fine, dont think theres a clear answer

After buff should probably be sin though

[indigo mulch]

Honestly, during sark prog you want that ST way more than you want any form of AoE tbh.

[spice surge]

Sub doesnt do aoe either

[indigo mulch]

I mean true

[royal lantern]

only outlaw can actually do aoe on sark

sub would lose way to much

[gaunt moat]

Do you think the 5% buff is gonna help my raid members not fall down into holes on Sarkareth?

[royal lantern]

yes

[gaunt moat]

oh, then sark is dead for sure now

[grand trail]

how it vendeta timings on sark

[blazing jewel]

Goodge

Sepsis/vanish are kind of weird but not bad

[keen radish]

If I pick bomb up on sark Does cloak stop the massive ticking damage without dropping the bomb early?

[blazing jewel]

Not sure on the ticking damage part but usually you wouldn’t want to cloak there because if a rogue is doing bombs they should be trying to bait the black hole on you so you can immune it

[grand trail]

i was hitting dummy for some times

and how do you line up sepsis/vanish for third deadmark?

vanihs come up for second half of dm and sepsis is long before

[blazing jewel]

Usually for most fights you won’t get a 4th dm

So you can delay dm slightly

Like on mag for example my 3rd dm is at 4:19

[grand trail]

delay dm?

so we never delay sepsis

[blazing jewel]

For most fights no

On sark you do

[thorn bobcat]

you can feint it

[blazing jewel]

You’re not losing any dm value by delaying it if you know you aren’t getting another cast off for the encounter

Just try not to delay it if you won’t get full tier set value

[peak bobcat]

How fast does your guild kill it

Because for the avg guild that kills around the late 5 min mark it’s better to DM with pot at 5 minutes no?

[blazing jewel]

Depends how many alts we have in lol

[peak bobcat]

This is simply not true

[blazing jewel]

4:50-5:20 from my logs

[peak bobcat]

Yeah that’s insane

[blazing jewel]

I know nibren has killed it in 4:29

Tf colour has done it in 4:23

[keen radish]

I’d heard it was ticking for like 150k so hadn’t had much stock in feint - but sounds like the play

[thorn bobcat]

i've been doing the bombs for a while now, feint + sprint makes it very easy

[drifting cloud]

[blazing jewel]

where log

[drifting cloud]

previous partition

[blazing jewel]

Oh I was only looking at the latest one

That would make sense

[blazing jewel]

We haven’t been doing much speed strat stuff this tier

[drifting cloud]

yeah were doing sales / splits now so might slow down

[blazing jewel]

We’ve been doing sales/gearing alts and rerolls

Need to convince them to gear rogue #2

[royal lantern]

if you think starting spamming shuriken storm->black powder for adds that die in a couple seconds anyway instead of just doing ST dmg

idk man

sounds like losing a good chunk boss dmg for me

[peak bobcat]

Going full st just do get your dps doubled by dks and warlocks anyways

[light jacinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/200271102977507328/1060218118980522064/xCoNtiQlOn.gif

@hasty zodiac

[hasty zodiac]

very cool assassination clip

[gusty breach]

so boys

are we S tier yet?

[nova flax]

1 sec please hold

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1002431422142890005/1065127119740485702/POUSHH_DRAGON.mp4

[light jacinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/815487416902221855/1125081312278097950/ApplicationFrameHost_T0JapRWvva.gif

[nova flax]

Evokers man

[night delta]

just came back and witnessed our +5%, guess some got what they asked for uh

[subtle kiln]

you witnessed something that’s happening with weekly reset?

[night delta]

I witnessed the blue post

[subtle kiln]

yeah just let the spec completely rot for another 6 weeks until 10.2.

[valid leaf]

Those rogue buffs are insults to rogue players

Switch out some talent nodes thats is a bigger buff then this 5% bs

[vestal wren]

you need to have a little patience

[valid leaf]

I do miste fuu

[vestal wren]

10.2 ptr is likely only few weeks away

[valid leaf]

Its just the opportunity to insult blizzard is here

[vestal wren]

i am fairly certain feedback on the changes is apprectiated

onc we get some

[valid leaf]

Since they released aug

27% of player base is gone

Game is dead

[night delta]

27% of my guild roster has been in summer vacation

[vestal wren]

^ its summer

[runic hinge]

I’ve heard this game is dead since wotlk the first time

[valid leaf]

It is summer indeed

But somehow there’s less keys then there ever was

[grand trail]

5% will put assa above both sub and outlaw on single target bosses

i think

[vestal wren]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vestal wren]

looks more in line with outlaw

[grand trail]

outlaw? did you see outlaw single target logs?:D

they are very far from sim

[vestal wren]

we have very little logs outside of subtlety

[grand trail]

true but assa still can reach sub dmg in top logs meawhile outlaw (which is ahead 4k dps or so) cant

im talking about single target bosses

kir is fake prove me wrong

[midnight mist]

I will

kir is just hard to play

dont mean it oversim

[grand trail]

there was one build is same spot

it was called rotten, nobody remember it now

[midnight mist]

sure thing

[vestal wren]

well rotten would be more dominant if dark brew wasn't buggy

[quiet oar]

hacha still plays it

[grand trail]

im just spreading truth

as i did with rotten

[midnight mist]

no you arent

stop speaking nonsense lol

[grand trail]

when i see something not backed up by logs i tell it

[vestal wren]

there are multiple reasons rotten isn't played

[midnight mist]

we have one week of logs

and like 3 ppl that play outlaw

you just dont know how to read logs data

[vestal wren]

one is execution,
one is that its now not a damage gain over the default

[grand trail]

i will wait for those r1 kir logs but im sure assa log will pop up at r1 next week more likely than ol:)

[quiet oar]

Zac will raid this Tuesday

He will show us

[grand trail]

OL is 5280dps ahead in sims its not like its 200dps ahead

[lusty kraken]

outlaw is simply harder to execute properly

[burnt latch]

im gonna dunk in 9 days as assa

Full body slam

[burnt latch]

Btw ol sim is using 447 cragtusks im p sure

When most people realistically dont have access to them

[grand trail]

i saw 447 on logs

[burnt latch]

So u can deduct whatever the difference is

[burnt latch]

Well most of the top rogues dont have them lets put it this way

Sure, someone might

Not very many public logging rogues out there who can perform close to the 99th percentile on all 3 specs

[grand trail]

i dont hate spec, i enjoy palying all 3 as i was recently doing in heroic raids

top logs of sark and nelth are over taken by outlaw

[burnt latch]

And most of those people have probably been playing sub for the most part of this season

[grand trail]

but they play HO

[burnt latch]

Give some of the better players fully optimized outlaw gear and a couple of weeks and they’ll be in the sim range 100%

[grand trail]

i asked casualaddict about it and he said that he discussed it with jpc and he never met sim on targetdummy after 5h of hitting it

[midnight mist]

jpc doesnt even play rogue

lol

[grand trail]

yeah i know

[midnight mist]

so one guy that havent played outlaw at all this season and an enhance main

[burnt latch]

Ah then its gg

[whole mason]

that' s one point maybe needing fixing 10.2

[midnight mist]

decided that kir wasnt a thing

alright

[grand trail]

guys go open logs

in top 100 rashok 3 ol logs :?D

[burnt latch]

Did u read what i wrote to you earlier or are we just going in circles

[midnight mist]

ye crazy there is like 3 people playing outlaw

and like I dont want to be this guy

[grand trail]

and the best one playing ho

[subtle kiln]

you’re not going in circles if you just keep looking at wcl

[midnight mist]

but current outlaw build is way harder than any sin or sub build

[grand trail]

and no go open adds bosses like nelth or sark

outlawr are at TOP

where they come from since nobody play outlwa?

[burnt latch]

Every top public logging rogue has played Sub and maybe assa this whole tier

[subtle kiln]

I love padding off adds to prove a point

[midnight mist]

also again its one week of logs

but anyway

you seem to not be reading so

and outlaw bf isnt attributed to aug btw

so you cant really look at these bf bosses becuase the data is not valid

[grand trail]

thats good for you, you can shadowstep aug when he cast ebon

[burnt latch]

ill do more damage on sark/nelth as outlaw rn compared to kir on like rashok (comparetively) cuz i learned to play HO to a good degree last tier, and havent touched KIR since the expansion came out. HO is also significantly more simple to play. I wouldnt be suprised if other rogues are in a similar situation.

[midnight mist]

well kir sucks on sark

but ye

[burnt latch]

Ye i fixed

Didnt mean it like that

Any boss that ho is good ill do better than on a boss where kir is good relatively

[grand trail]

yeha ho is good, r1 rogue on sark play ho and his is top boss dmg aswell (in his raid)

[burnt latch]

no he isnt

[midnight mist]

he is top boss damage of his raid on sark

?

[burnt latch]

nah thats not correct

4th

[midnight mist]

ye

[grand trail]

oh no i was looking at nelth

thinking im looking at sark 😄

[midnight mist]

nelth has always been an outlaw boss

[grand trail]

yeah wanted to try it this week

[midnight mist]

you should try it with kir

[grand trail]

but we have so many trials that im not confident playing other spec than im use to

[vestal wren]

even if it wasn't

there are enough people on subtlety to make it good in the statistic

[spice surge]

On outlaw you mean ye

[vestal wren]

there is nearly a factor of 5 between outlaw/sin and sub logs

[grand trail]

i will add some logs of ol and sin next week hopefully 😄

[burnt latch]

also sin and sub are using class trinket which should result in higher highs and lower lows

[grand trail]

cant parse as sub anyway on nelth

[vestal wren]

so w/e if sub is harder or simpler you will have enough peopl to represent that

[vestal wren]

outlaw has similar variance

[grand trail]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grand trail]

how does nelth sim for outlaw? in cleave fights propably well?

[burnt latch]

surely a 30% + sophic + class trinket + beacon crit log is going to dumpster on any similar rng pull from outlaw?

[midnight mist]

you dont play class trinket + beacon tho no ?

its either right

[burnt latch]

its not too far off so if u wanna try to high roll a rank 1 its not too bad of an option

[midnight mist]

that sound cursed

[burnt latch]

i usually just play one of them though (i hate beacon)

[spice surge]

Bomb is just a lot better

[burnt latch]

ye class trinket + bomb is a nice balance of rng and consitency

[grand trail]

im just playing 457 class with 447 bomb evywhere

or im going called out not playing trinket that i snitched

[burnt latch]

got all the trinkets so sometimes swapping it for the sake of swapping

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s2faqkYTaEUKF43as1UYwD

^ trinket comparison

[burnt latch]

1% aint too bad tbf

but the rng exodia isnt really worth it at 2.5% loss

even if u high roll both

[vestal wren]

only 0.3% (its a joke, raid horn is terrible to play)

[grand trail]

kir^^

show ho in cleave

[quiet oar]

ill take this as reference now

That Raidhorn is almost BiS

[burnt latch]

yeah dont give beacon to the rogue, he can just go farm horn tf

[quiet oar]

Yes

[midnight mist]

you knkolw the crafted trinket is quite close

[vestal wren]

oh, i forgot to add them

[midnight mist]

with emberscale I think?

[vestal wren]

lets see

[grand trail]

i dont like casting beacon with outlawr since there is always something to press otherwise

[quiet oar]

You dont like it because you have other stuff to press

i dont like it because even with 75% crit chance it doesnt crit

We are not the same

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1Vaz1Y1ADvHVFcWD1frPrC

[midnight mist]

ye

I wonder if this trinket need an apl btw

you ever tried fuu?

cause I have no idea

[quiet oar]

Raidhorn still BiS

[vestal wren]

sims the same

[quiet oar]

L Trinkets

[quiet oar]

Tbf, i think this is better with bomb

or feels better

[vestal wren]

didn't change anything when i tried

[midnight mist]

I mean horns is a bit meh

[vestal wren]

horn should do more damage

[midnight mist]

some bosses you probably cant hit all the thingiy

[vestal wren]

simply because its annoying to use

[midnight mist]

ye

[vestal wren]

and can be inefficient

[grand trail]

i wonder why they did not buff asssa sonner

[vestal wren]

the reward is just not there

[grand trail]

dot not make much sense doing it now

[vestal wren]

the trinket is too close to the jedi curve

[quiet oar]

Yeah horn isnt it

[vestal wren]

not sure, we still don't know how s3/4 pool looks

[grand trail]

pool of m+ dungeons?

[vestal wren]

uldaman could be in the pool in s4 again

the trinket would still have the same problems if thats the case

[quiet oar]

He meant Sin fuu

not trinket

[subtle tundra]

well, this season will still go on for like 2 months

atleast

[vestal wren]

oh, you are correct

[subtle tundra]

they need to ptr test raid and m+

[quiet oar]

I mean will hit PTR right after 10.17

So End of october beginning of november

[grand trail]

some people were telling me that we hit 10.2 ptr before 10.1.7

idk about that

it always make me wonder if realz know new raid design and can take it to consideration when doinng our "rework"

same for tier sets

and so on

so we dont have another sark issue 😄

[subtle tundra]

i doubt thats taken in consideration

considering during ptr bosses get changed all the time

even reworked

[balmy condor]

I doubt that’s something to worry about

Would be incredibly short sighted

Cause then the raid that releases afterwards is different and then what

[grand trail]

tier sets sometimes shift our gameplay too so thats why i was thinking about it

[balmy condor]

He doesn’t make those

[grand trail]

thats propably why sub 4p is such a poop

[runic hinge]

There’s gotta be some discussion between him and the items team tho if he’s changing nodes rn

[balmy condor]

???? That’s not how that works

Items team has made tier sets forever

They’re just as much responsible for the bad and the good

[grand trail]

i like assa and ol sets bonuses as they feel like somebody put some work to it

[balmy condor]

Probably not more than talking about the actual changes

[grand trail]

but that sub one feel like last minute call before going home for holidays

[balmy condor]

They probably don’t get input

[balmy condor]

Kinda funny cause most Assassination rogues think this about the Assassination tier

[grand trail]

😛

[runic hinge]

Yeah I was gonna say. Assa feels super bland lol

[grand trail]

i cant wait to 10.2 hit ptr and theory crafting start again

[runic hinge]

Can’t wait to cook up some corked builds

[vestal wren]

the tier sets had a specific purpose

[dire ivy]

We probably get the aug treatment of super basic sets, so we can learn the spec without tier sets changing gameplay

[vestal wren]

it was quite obviouse that they tried to make unused talents played

and thy succeeded, somewhat

[grand trail]

how the "item" team care about talents tho?

[balmy condor]

I think that’s pretty optimistic about the size of the rework it’s not gonna be that big

[vestal wren]

but having the goal of "make bad talents good" does not mean the set is good of fun

it won't be a ret like rework for sure, so more like updates we saw to other specs/classes

[grand trail]

idk sub is fine

just dont like placment of bp node

should be like common pick

[vestal wren]

sub is in a weird spot becaus it still has no clear direction

this is also why so many options exist on what it should or shouldn't do

[grand trail]

well we have 3spec not every one need to do good in all ways

but in some build of outlaw not taking grabble is cringe

should be some kind of baseline too

[vestal wren]

can say the same for not taking shadow step

but all 3 specs are currently too similar, so maybe something can change on this front

[grand trail]

Yeah let's just kill sub pve and make it PvP only and combat for aoe and single target for assa 😂

[vestal wren]

[royal lantern]

that was called "BfA"

[grand trail]

Good old times

[past bobcat]

What are sins best trinkets?

And are double crafted rings good?

[vestal wren]

bomb + x

essence is good if you have all aspects

[past bobcat]

Bomb beacon?

Just trying to think, for raid on Sark we have no WF so I get kinda ducked with sub

[royal lantern]

i mean

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uwWtE31rjTcUnTwCHGkF8R

[royal lantern]

no wf sucks for all specs

[vestal wren]

^ still running (finished)

[vestal wren]

call or anvil looks quite good

[grand trail]

classs trinket is beast but need to be procced in right times 😄

[quiet oar]

I mean it just needs to proc in your DM Windows right?

[proven jasper]

yeah thats kinda the hope with it

I wish i had an essence or beacon or something

Tired of playing slots all night

Tbh when everything procs at once though it feels awesome

Ultimate power

[wary jungle]

which stat are we aiming for essence?

for st

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[silk bane]

so many new people here in sin chat! i wonder what changed hmm

[fresh mist]

Does anyone have a good build for tyrannical week? this is my first week in tyrannical keys as a rogue and I can't get out enough single target damage in my mythic build

[gilded oasis]

we got a 5% buff and Whispyr said were bis now

[balmy condor]

Mast typically

[balmy condor]

We don’t change builds for tyrannical we just suffer

[gilded oasis]

whats enough St damage? how much are you doing? I play the same build Fort or Tyran and its fine usually

[silk bane]

thats true, i read it in the pins. he said sin rogues gonna replace fire now.

with pi we go brrr surely

[gilded oasis]

[dire ivy]

Honestly hoping it’s gonna be, assa deserves something getting it out of the „ST Dummy“ design, it’s there (or atleast low target Count) for quite some time

[silk bane]

But it won't. Like the srv said it won't be, the post said it wont be, Ian said it won't be.

Pure just setting yourself up for disappointment

And as a result even if it is a good rework you're gonna be disappointed no matter what

Man I can't type for shit on phone yikes

[dire ivy]

Any links for what you say?

Cause I seem to have missed them

[balmy condor]

Ion had a wowhead interview

Realz in here

[pure moth]

I proc as boss dies...my procs are amazing..

[balmy condor]

Multiple blue posts saying it’s not going to be the size of ret rework

[dire ivy]

Thanks gonna check those

[fresh mist]

My ilvl is 431 and I am only sitting around 50k in single target fights in an aoe build, I know I must be missing something but I can't figure it out. (also just rerolled from hunter so I think the melee reflexes aren't quite here yet so I might just be getting tunnel visioned on mechanics)

[vestal wren]

ion did say in an interview that retribution size reworks won't happen during the xpac

[austere fulcrum]

Can we trust sim on that ? Obsidian ( all ) sims little better for me

[vestal wren]

you can assume the extend of changes from what realz posted in RH

[austere fulcrum]

Might be sim wrong idk

[vestal wren]

he hinted changs to the general tree, and asked for feedback on the spec trees

[balmy condor]

Yeah ofc if something sims better for you take that

[austere fulcrum]

Wanted to be sure since trinkets are bot sim friendly sometimes

[balmy condor]

What

[austere fulcrum]

Fragment simming wrong for example

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah that’s a very rare bug

One trinket in 2 expansions

[austere fulcrum]

Yea xd

[silk bane]

He even asked for feedback regarding specific abilities. IC for sin and GS for outlaw. Sub idk probably no big spec changes is my guess

[austere fulcrum]

Sad about not having big rework on assa tho 😦 looks like they gonna buff things and work on rog tree

[vestal wren]

he mentioned that sub is in a good position in general rn

[silk bane]

Yeah that too

[austere fulcrum]

I was hoping for some different gameplay

[silk bane]

Mostly gonna be the other 2 specs

[vestal wren]

the geneal tree change can already impact talent choices

the best thing to do is to wait

[silk bane]

It's always fun to try and predict things tho! Like we should have a RH Bingo

[austere fulcrum]

That is true, just hyped for long now and we all wanna be in good spot as assa rog 🥹

[vestal wren]

if i would guess for sub changes, the left side of the tree is the on thing that is quite bad

there are else a lot of bugs to the spec, some very positive ones too

#subtlety message

^ is the link to the feedback i gave

[silk bane]

I think they like the left side and the rotten. Might try and make it more interesting but don't think they'll touch it much

[gilded oasis]

idk could be a lot. possible lack of understanding or executing ST rotation since just reroll. 431 low-ish could just be unoptimized gear. could just need more practice and comfortability. what level keys?

[fresh mist]

I was alright in 15-17 last week during fortified, but I got a reality check last night when the boss fights went on. I'll have to look at some logs and hit some more dummies I think

[gilded oasis]

whats your rio link

[gusty mirage]

I already have a bingo card

3 spots are about outlaw rogues malding

[earnest remnant]

only 3?

think we can safely bump that up a bit

[silk bane]

I'll maky my bingo card too. Let's play

[gilded oasis]

if it was more then he would auto win

thats too easy

[silk bane]

Btw Oxi u can't put outlaw maldong about wf capped

That's not fair

I mean bf

Bro I'm so u hungover it's joever

[gaunt moat]

Fun fact: During Legion, me and Don Jose (another previous mod) made a Bingo for exactly that.
A bingo for what Ion is gonna say in his community talk.
And Ion found out about it and mentioned it in his talk.

[gusty mirage]

They could uncap bf and outlaw rogues will still mald

[gilded oasis]

Don had the best Ion memes

[gusty mirage]

That’s their thing

They’re just angry about everything

[gaunt moat]

found it
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/423920297033334795/unknown.png

[silk bane]

Wait really? That's awesome no way hahahah

K g there's no way this is sick K I'm making mine today

[gilded oasis]

I still have a whole folder of don screenshots from interviews

somewhere

[gusty mirage]

Zar did you kill sark yet

[gilded oasis]

HEHEHEEHahhaha

[gusty mirage]

[gilded oasis]

naw. we are seeing p3 more consistent since we swapped comp 210 pulls in

but falling apart right after Black hole 2 right now. so just need more pulls for people to get it I guess

I was on Tues tho and were down a lock on Sun so we'll see how that goes

[gusty mirage]

That means you’re actually super close

[gilded oasis]

and a lot of post outs the next like 2-3 weeks

[gusty mirage]

[raw raft]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[deft flicker]

I don’t think that will last long tbf

[clever sapphire]

nothing, just the fact that people think assa now top rogue spec and whatnot

[deft flicker]

Funny how people go “hey this spec got buffed is it any good now” after literally any buff anything receives ever

Regardless of buff size and previous situation

[grand trail]

assa was already on pair with sub single target

[deft flicker]

Like those meme seagulls

[grand trail]

so there is good chance its better

[deft flicker]

“Buff?? Buff??”

[deft flicker]

True. But I doubt getting used to the buttons + possibly recrafting gear will get outweighed by those 5%

[grand trail]

yeah

rotation is easy but gear can we manage

already recrafted some gear i had for m+

on wenddays i wil craft thorn boots and im set with 457 class trinket and 447 bomb

[digital wind]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[arctic hare]

So did they nerf the shadowflame wreathe?

[balmy condor]

the what

[arctic hare]

The shadowflame weapon enchant that came out with 10.1.5

[balmy condor]

oh

no it hasn't been nerfed

[arctic hare]

Hmm, interesting. i guess sophic devotion just sims better?

[balmy condor]

I'm kinda confused why they haven't buffed it tbh

yes

[arctic hare]

Well, damn, thought that thing was actually kinda cool, ahh well.

[balmy condor]

it's just always been shit

[arctic hare]

OH WAIT, I was thinking of SHadowflame armor patch lmao

[balmy condor]

that's also been shit

[arctic hare]

Well thats, depressing.

we use the toxic armor patch and those boots iirc

[balmy condor]

would've been good, except for the fact that they buffed both of the boots by like 100-125% going into 10.1

[arctic hare]

good GOD lol

Yeah, that explains it, well, time to find a place to replace my damn lariat

actually, time events, i can get a neck from that. sweet

Nevermind.

[balmy condor]

yeh going into 10.1 lariat got nerfed, the boots got buffed

[arctic hare]

Yeah, Always hated using the lariat anyways, so good for me lol

[balmy condor]

and then they added the shadowflame stuff as well as like a toxic shoulder