affixes now are hit or miss
#assassination
vapid sierra
royal lantern
excep the heal absorb one
balmy condor
overflowing was dogshit yeah
royal lantern
that one was do bad lol
balmy condor
but like tryannical wasn't like "bosses just one tap you" like it is now
it just like giga buffed their hp
and it took you 6 min to kill
balmy condor
and then they tried to fix that, overdid it
and tyrannical became a monster
and now they've been reeling it back
vapid sierra
tyran at the beginning of this tier was crqazy
week 1 of this tier all bosses wouldnt die and it was enrage
so i played the ap cleave/st build in keys 
royal lantern
tbf, m+ has become really stale
balmy condor
yeh so the thing is right, in legion when m+ was new
they added the dungeons in legion with m+
vapid sierra
i mean what could they do to make it less stale tho
balmy condor
but now they're bringing back like wod dungeons
vapid sierra
i feel like we need more keys
balmy condor
and wod dungeons had enrage timers on the bosses
balmy condor
i mean what could they do to make it less stale tho
stop giving random keys
have it like d3 where you just walk up to the pedestal
and say I want a +25
and then you just hit start
winged veldt
Huge!
royal lantern
but now they're bringing back like wod dungeons
fucking VORTEX
balmy condor
yeh idk
darkheart thicket has like 350% or 400% trash or something
and you had an actual decision of what to pull
and how to pull the mobs together
but then you get like vortex
vapid sierra
stop giving random keys
as in you dont get the dungeon name all you get is the +?
and you pick thge dungeon?
winged veldt
Everything is kinda linear now I agree. Not much extra that can be pulled to make decisions with a lot
balmy condor
as in you dont get the dungeon name all you get is the +?
no like you don't have a keystone item anymore. You walk into brackenhide, the pedestal is there, you can select any level up to +2 higher than your max brackenhide, and you just hit go
you want to do fucking idk
underrot?
you just fly to underrot
winged veldt
I think that would be so amazing!
balmy condor
none of this bullshit fucking "what key do you have" and it's 4 vps and an ulduar
uldaman
whatever the fuck
uldadeeznuts
Idk just stinks so bad man
vapid sierra
what should i eat for breakfast
balmy condor
They keep changing m+ to be more and more competitive and difficult and slower, less aoe, need more utility
And it’s just dumb
I don’t wanna hop on with the boys, go into a dungeon, and then spam kick on cooldown
I wanna SMASH
vapid sierra
They keep changing m+ to be more and more competitive and difficult and slower, ...
i think it can be competitive
when quick
they just doing it wrong
clever sapphire
Blizzard just sucks at making something hard without making it oneshot you
Change my mind
spare cave
don’t get hit 4Head
balmy condor
Blizzard just sucks at making something hard without making it oneshot you
We’ll see when 10.2 ptr drops
Might make me hard
spice spire
Dog?
clever sapphire
Might make me hard
Seeing all the exsang sims not being the top sim, now that would be 
gusty mirage
Blizzard just sucks at making something hard without making it oneshot you
rashok is proof that's not true
also probably why rashok is one of the best bosses they ever made
spice spire
True and real
balmy condor
True and real
mfer thought rashok was so much fun he changed guilds to prog it a second time
fading wigeon
Lol
balmy condor
oh I thought the d bobster got to rashok prison
ember mural
They progged experiments
balmy condor
too many people hardstucking my boy jamal rashoggi (rip)
royal lantern
also probably why rashok is one of the best bosses they ever made
painsmith was great
i will die on that hill
spice spire
Rashok was very fun tho
gusty mirage
painsmith was good because it was scripted
royal lantern
and jaina was the best raid endboss we had in 10+years
gusty mirage
it played the same way every single pull
balmy condor
painsmith was bad because it wasn't fun
gusty mirage
the good parts stop there
earnest remnant
the good parts stop there
i want your good parts 
spice spire
https://www.twitch.tv/whispyrttv/clip/FurtiveBloodyJellyfishNotLikeThis-x6qiCJVJ...
You played outlaw on pulls L bozo
balmy condor
You played outlaw on pulls L bozo
painsmith actually accelerated the deterioration of my grey cells man
I could feel the early onset dementia creeping in with every pull
midnight mist
You played outlaw on pulls L bozo
?
stark wyvern
?
spice spire
?
balmy condor
?
I lost my mind so bad I took my heroic veinripper and went to work
no weakauras no keybinds
spice spire
You ever seen whispyr play outlaw?
balmy condor
and a dream
balmy condor
you don't want to see me play outlaw
midnight mist
since outlaw tier fr
balmy condor
it's not pretty
spice spire
He fired it up mid keybwith me once
midnight mist
you don't want to see me play outlaw
no I do
spice spire
And asked me “what the fuck do I press”
stark wyvern
Miss shadowlands outlaw :’(
spice spire
“Idk if it glows press it”
balmy condor
you maintain bte
and then you press the glowy button
and otherwise you press saber slash or whatever
what's it called now
midnight mist
sinister strike
balmy condor
and then you finish
spice spire
midnight mist
actually dispatch
balmy condor
idfk the names
spice spire
Dispatch
ember mural
spice spire
Our former execute
midnight mist
hey you are fairly on point ngl
balmy condor
joke spec
stark wyvern
If outlaw for babies then assassination for larpers. Then they’re cool but doing no damage.
midnight mist
but tbh sin is the same
spice spire
If outlaw for babies then assassination for larpers. Then they’re cool but doing...
It’s something we have in common
spice spire
but tbh sin is the same
You’re not wrong
midnight mist
you maintain 2 random dots, dont even have glowy buttons, when no dot you press sin eviscerate and otherwise you press the cringe backstab thing
spice spire
spice spire
Soothe boss?
balmy condor
the thing that pisses me off is that they had sinister strike/eviscerate , and then the just said nah bitch it's saber and dispatch now eat shit losers, and then they were like actually just scratch the saber slash, it's back to sinister strike
and now my brain
spice spire
balmy condor
actually is incapable
midnight mist
uh is it not soothe
balmy condor
of keeping them apart
spice spire
It’s a damage amp 
balmy condor
id be mad too if there was a lil bitch stabbing my cankles
vestal wren
having diffrent naming is good for fantasy
midnight mist
the thing that pisses me off is that they had sinister strike/eviscerate , and t...
saber slash does sound much better also
roll of the tongue
like rtb
we rolling
vestal wren
agree
stark wyvern
Have you seen a saber in combat! Rip your flesh apart.
vestal wren
ability_rogue_sabreslash is the name
balmy condor
bruh
midnight mist
I always tought this icon was so good lol
so I just took it
didnt know it was actually a rogue icon
vestal wren
to be fair, the icon was created later
midnight mist
im used to all our icons to be like warriors or randoms things from warlkocks or whatever
balmy condor
earlier*
midnight mist
isnt sinister strike a wl thing
vestal wren
saber slash icon was created before sinister strike?
balmy condor
sinister strike icon is giga old
and they had the saber slash icon for saber slash in legion
was made alongside it
vestal wren
guess i am right
royal lantern
turn all your icons into different "guy witha hood where you only see the eye's" icon
you know, what 70% of rogue ability icons allready are
midnight mist
stark wyvern
Whispyr why don’t you whisper into rogue dev ears and tell them to stop working on 11.0 rogue and work on the now
midnight mist
I mean its clearly not a rogue thing tho
vestal wren
isn't sinister strike a classic ability
royal lantern
ye
balmy condor
Whispyr why don’t you whisper into rogue dev ears and tell them to stop working ...
idk why don't you come out from under the rock you're living and realize they've been working on rogue rework for 10.2
royal lantern
spamming sinester strike or backstab was rogue gameplay in classic
(spamming means once every 10seconds)
stark wyvern
What rock, and where’s the confirm for it. Haven’t seen it. Is it in faqs?
vestal wren
i don't find the saber slash icon in the classic db
vestal wren
so think i was correct that ability_rogue_sabreslash was created later
^ tl;dr: rogue changes are delayed to 10.2
balmy condor
if blizzard announcing 10.1.5 said rogue changes
and then ion went on an interview and said yeah got pushed back
and then you haven't seen any of it
that's the rock
:)
stark wyvern
Been busy, I appreciate you doing your job and helping the community. 🙂
frozen iris
so its fine to do under 12 sec for rupture and 5.4 for garrote? At least thats how i usually do it.
subtle stream
I’d love to see sepsis go
frozen iris
Okay i thought i ready somewhere that it was 12.
balmy condor
Been busy, I appreciate you doing your job and helping the community. 🙂
and I appreciate your understanding on the situation instead of bashing blizzard stay strong friendo 
subtle stream
CT back in the rotation, or something else
frozen iris
I actually like sepsis.
subtle stream
Jacks up the bars, otherwise, it’s fine
balmy condor
Okay i thought i ready somewhere that it was 12.
if it were 12 that would mean a base duration of 40 seconds
even an ER rupture isn't that long
ER rupture is 32
5cp is 24
so 5cp rupture is 24, 24*0.3 is 7.2
so yeh
7 sec is a good rupture number to have in your head
7-8
woeful meteor
Jacks up the bars, otherwise, it’s fine
if sepsis fucks your bars something about your stealth bars is very wrong for sin
vapid sierra
^
clever sapphire
CT back in the rotation, or something else
Hol up, you want CT in ST back?
woeful meteor
since there shouldn't be a difference
clever sapphire
I can accept stepsis going i dont like it much either, but CT in ST?
vapid sierra
ct in st would be usless lol
in the global you press ct and then a dot
you could just press 2 dots
frozen iris
if it were 12 that would mean a base duration of 40 seconds
Sweet thanks. I never thought about the math for it.
ember mural
I mean its clearly not a rogue thing tho
It was the ability icon for the undead race in warcraft 3 to turn an acolyte into a shade at the sacrificial pit
subtle stream
if sepsis fucks your bars something about your stealth bars is very wrong for si...
I have stealth stuff on my stealth bars…
woeful meteor
that's wrong for sin
midnight mist
It was the ability icon for the undead race in warcraft 3 to turn an acolyte int...
deep lore
woeful meteor
since you never ambush from stealth
subtle stream
ct in st would be usless lol
It was “useless” in single target in SL, too… but it was there.
vapid sierra
It was “useless” in single target in SL, too… but it was there.
was it baseline?
balmy condor
zac in sin channel to do opposition research
spice spire
Nah Zac is trolling Smdh
subtle stream
since you never ambush from stealth
I don’t kick from stealth, but I do pickpocket and cheap shot.
Yeah I could make the bars identical, but shouldn’t have to.
spice spire
woeful meteor
yes. but they are identical 
gusty mirage
what is this amateur hour?
midnight mist
zac in sin channel to do opposition research
im just trying to get some hidden tips and informations for the next tier sin is viable
subtle stream
Sepsis shouldn’t activate my stealth bars, it should just allow the stealth ability.
spice spire
Always is when I’m here?
gusty mirage
im just trying to get some hidden tips and informations for the next tier sin is...
don't you have a 5% aura buff to calculate?
midnight mist
why would I do that, I can just wait for reset
balmy condor
zac putting 15% aura buff overrides in raidbots just to feel somethign
midnight mist
how funny would it be if that's all that outlaw got for the rest of the expac
ok listen here
gusty mirage
how much aura buff % do you think sub needs to beat fire mage?
midnight mist
its not funny ok
gusty mirage
20%?
balmy condor
zac
when 10.2 comes
and outlaw gets minimal changes
how big is the riot gonna be
gusty mirage
if that happens make sure you get a wrangle on infinitelad
midnight mist
tbh I dont care, we just put slow mode and I continue monologing
balmy condor
cause like lets be real, we all know outlaw is getting the least attention out of the 3 right
but do the outlaw frogs know that
midnight mist
seems to be the general idea ye
altough I would kinda disagree with that but eh
at least outlaw is fun
balmy condor
you think outlaw is getting more than sub?
midnight mist
no I dont think
balmy condor
oh ok
midnight mist
but I think it should tho
balmy condor
me neither
midnight mist
I mean from what realz said here and there it seemed like outlaw wont get much
I just expect grapple to be accessible and uh
idk what else
gusty mirage
are vaults up yet? @spice spire
balmy condor
I think outlaw tree pretty gud tbh
gusty mirage
I can't wait to get another socket
balmy condor
aside from the grapple issue
midnight mist
oxi wtf
gusty mirage
midnight mist
im at work
balmy condor
that's just a normal poggies emote
balmy condor
mashallah
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
brother
midnight mist
I think outlaw tree pretty gud tbh
I think most talents and interactions are like bangers (ho, audacity, kir even, fth, ..) but like you dont have build variation, bout 60% of the tree is locked baseline and if you decide to play HO you litteraly have 95% of the tree locked up forever, and a lot of the nodes that we can actually play around to make different builds arent gameplay nodes just random pasives things
ember mural
spice surge
Cant be postin non-halal right after the halal emote my dude
midnight mist
but I have no idea how sin tree is, I know a bit about sub but thats about it
gusty mirage
Cant be postin non-halal right after the halal emote my dude
americans smh
balmy condor
sin tree is that but on crack
midnight mist
I see
also the grapple situation, and deft was supposed to be a cool talent but you cant really take it so
balmy condor
like after exsang bug was found
midnight mist
the utility part is laughable
balmy condor
you're locked into this for raids
and before that you were locked into this for the top half
and you either took exsang + the 0/2 at the top
or you went down the left side
that would open the gate
midnight mist
ok but I have a question, are you locked into this cause the talents are better and like it could change with tuning, or are you locked into this cause design
balmy condor
and you ust run down the middle again
balmy condor
ok but I have a question, are you locked into this cause the talents are better ...
both
midnight mist
because look, this is HO in m+ right, the only point that you can actually move around is cto
and its not about tuning
balmy condor
those points on the far left are all AoE fan of knives points, on the right it's random PVP shit out of nowhere, exsang, and utility
midnight mist
its just cause its 2 lines and you have to take everything to get down
midnight mist
nice
balmy condor
the left is like a 9% talent with dragon tempered
and the right is 0.2-0.3% talent regardless of any other choice
it's actually staggering how shit it is
and since it's the only way to get into the middle path here
you gotta take amp
and if you gotta take amp
well, you're probably taking dragon tempered
vestal wren
tbh i think KB and DB had a nicer synergy before they introduce the AP talent + changes
well not synergy but it did lead to more build diversity
midnight mist
I guess all the trees are built the same and have the same issues, all 3 are just 3 straight lines down
midnight mist
im surprised sin still has 3 pointers tho, I tought those were gone
balmy condor
like it could give alternative pathing
gusty mirage
my main wtf is what is this shit doing here
stop upsetting the pvpers
vestal wren
my main wtf is what is this shit doing here
notes
balmy condor
pvpers don't even use that
midnight mist
my main wtf is what is this shit doing here
ye ye we have exactly the same issue with deft and a few cool talents that arent really possible to take in the sideline
vestal wren
i think i compared dead notes on all 3 specs a small while ago
gusty mirage
pvpers don't even use that
they do
balmy condor
it's deranged that random pvp shit is on the tree still when there's a dedicated pvp talent section
no one's using that in pve
ever
vestal wren
think outlaw had the most dead talents
royal lantern
I mean from what realz said here and there it seemed like outlaw wont get much
tbf, is there much stuff you want on outlaw?
making grapple baseline/a free pick, acrobatics way more accesible and what else?
midnight mist
what do you consider dead talents
royal lantern
maybe remove ghostly i gues cus its a stupid talent?
vestal wren
talents that you don't use
balmy condor
think outlaw had the most dead talents
laughs in rotten
vestal wren
thats the thing, rotten right now is not dead
royal lantern
because its unholy, and all talents are based around death and decay
dead talents
i go home sorry
jaunty warren
If we know a rework is coming why not do a flat +10% to all sin abilities so there is a benchmark in the meantime ? Are they Avoiding the nerf whine when the rework comes ?
balmy condor
isn't rotten like -4%
balmy condor
If we know a rework is coming why not do a flat +10% to all sin abilities so the...
because that would make us too strong in raids
midnight mist
I think most talents and interactions are like bangers (ho, audacity, kir even, ...
@royal lantern ^ this is most my issues with like the general shape of the tree and pathing, I have a lot of other issues with specific nodes and abilities and shit but thats prolly a bit much and out of context of this channel
vestal wren
like sub has a little amount of nodes you won't use
gusty mirage
If we know a rework is coming why not do a flat +10% to all sin abilities so the...
because you're diverting attention away from the rework and the internal balancing of the rework by doing that
vestal wren
ofc, this is atm mostly because of the tier set
midnight mist
talents that you don't use
when you say you dont use, do you mean, you will never use even with tuning cause of the design of the tree or just you dont use rn cause they are worse
gusty mirage
like sub has a little amount of nodes you won't use
pvpers take quick decisions 
midnight mist
I guess first option
royal lantern
pvpers take quick decisions <a:Nerdge:1124968755357823046>
so nobody takes it, gotcha
balmy condor
like sub has a little amount of nodes you won't use
idk I'd argue if rotten is -4% and you only play shadowdust with rotten, those are dead nodes too
balmy condor
is anyone actually playing rotten
gusty mirage
yes
balmy condor
like in serious content
gusty mirage
have you met hacha
midnight mist
idk I'd argue if rotten is -4% and you only play shadowdust with rotten, those a...
funny cause ho is 5% behind and everyone play ho
but outlaw players are strange people
vestal wren
rotten is atm ~3.5% behind
balmy condor
hacha will play 4 covenant no capstone if he could I don't give a shit what he does
royal lantern
funny cause ho is 5% behind and everyone play ho
i had to convince the 2nd rogue to play HO instead of KiR, cus he just performed so much worse with KiR
vestal wren
but thats because of secrets very positive interaction with damage amps
balmy condor
funny cause ho is 5% behind and everyone play ho
yeh dunno bout that chief
midnight mist
i had to convince the 2nd rogue to play HO instead of KiR, cus he just performed...
ok but skill issue Idc
vestal wren
it was before that discovery more noticable ahead
balmy condor
bone spike on assa is way easier to play and that's like 1.5%
kingsbane is 3%
and nobody is playing either of those
we consider kingsbane dead
but it's better tuned than rotten and ho
weird
midnight mist
well ho is thriving let me tell you that
balmy condor
well ho is thriving let me tell you that
just blame augvokers stealing damage or something idk
vestal wren
when you say you dont use, do you mean, you will never use even with tuning caus...
a combination of all.
You basically won't take the talent because of the cost to get to the point.
like for example
balmy condor
oh that's a fun talent
vestal wren
to get to blinding powder you would need to go over this talent
and thats already not that ideal
balmy condor
I remember having to argue with people that sub will be the meta m+ spec over assassination because blinding powder is just such strong utility
what a bunch of chimps
vestal wren
so you have 2 talents that basically are there but limit how much points you can spend deeper in the tree
royal lantern
man "X will be meta cus of this small arbitary thing" is always the brainlet take
pure moth
but outlaw players are strange people
Yes, yes they are.
jaunty warren
because you're diverting attention away from the rework and the internal balanci...
Fair..Ty oxi
vestal wren
and you would not use even if there was a situation it might be relevant, simply because of the trade off
gusty mirage
Fair..Ty oxi
it sucks, but it is what it is sadly
royal lantern
remember "outlaw will never be good in m+ when assassination has a silence on 3 targets??"
vestal wren
i would label talents like this as "dead"
royal lantern
balmy condor
man "X will be meta cus of this small arbitary thing" is always the brainlet tak...
THIRTY SECONDS DUDE THATS LIKE TEN MORE USES PER DUNGEON HOLY IMAGINE ALL THE THINGS YOU COULD STOP
midnight mist
and thats already not that ideal
tbh I play that talent a lot, it compete against 5% stamina so its a utility choice im fine with that
balmy condor
remember "outlaw will never be good in m+ when assassination has a silence on 3 ...
and now people aren't even taking iron wire because they want more damage
midnight mist
I do in raid for any bosses I want to press grapple basically
Cause idc about 5 Stam in raid
Can't die in raid
gusty mirage
are vaults up yet
vestal wren
i guess you can argue for it and deft to be not dead
balmy condor
gonna drive me wild
x utility is so insane
its fine but nothing crazy
x utility sucks I'm not taking this I want more damage
idk its still pretty good
nah its garbage
wait 1 patch
holy x utility is so insane
vestal wren
dirty tricks is the same as blinding powder
midnight mist
i guess you can argue for it and deft to be not dead
Well deft isnt dead but it's cost so much idk
vestal wren
maybe i am unfair to say both are dead ones (dirty tricks + blinding powder)
midnight mist
You lose dps+ grapple depending on the build to take deft
And you have to take useless talents no one want to take to get to It
The right side is like horrendous
With riposte and shit
royal lantern
gonna drive me wild
>x utility is so insane
>its fine but nothing crazy
>x utili...
the endless jumps bettwen "sub has INSANE utility cus you can cheapshot during dance omg omg omg" and "cheapshot during dance is ussules cus you lose so much dmg wtf wtf wtf" every patch
midnight mist
Idk why realz won't delete riposte already, everytime I ask him he just meme on me
It's the most troll talent
balmy condor
the endless jumps bettwen "sub has INSANE utility cus you can cheapshot during d...
"you can drop dtb for more aoe damage" wtf shit boss damage unplayable this is terrible "hey we should drop dtb for more aoe damage" pog pog pog pog more damage pog pog pog
vestal wren
the "pog pog pog" sells it
gusty mirage
yo can I get that ring
no
balmy condor
im trying to get to 45% vers pls
the hacha effect
midnight mist
oh ye he does the same with mastery
but at least vers is actualyl more dps so
not just funny
balmy condor
I'm convinced he turns off his details to hide the pain
midnight mist
balmy condor
and just licks the screen like a csgo player at a lan whenever he clicks evisc/sectec
just scanning for the big number
vestal wren
never saw a csgo player lick the screen
royal lantern
never saw a csgo player lick the screen
yeha cus they all play V A L O R A N T now
balmy condor
royal lantern
balmy condor
he can taste it
vestal wren
lol
royal lantern
taste the eviscussy
vestal wren
100% sure he has anime titties on the screen
balmy condor
scream sitting there in a well lit room
and you can see the monitor just blasting his face
mfers be staring into the sun as a warmup
royal lantern
nah, just using discord lightmode
subtle stream
Getting that face tan.
austere fulcrum
alright
4 loot enough for buying socket right ? Put it to another thing ise it for m+ :)) ( i assume u have all socket already )
gusty mirage
I have nothing to socket
and nothing to craft
and I have double 447 w/ socket rings already
vestal wren
guess its gold time then
thorn fjord
@gusty mirage at the Detroit airport waiting for my layover to Pittsburgh
I can feel you
vestal wren
yeha cus they all play V A L O R A N T now
i wonder how much of the playerbase cs2 will claw back
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> at the Detroit airport waiting for my layover to Pittsburg...
I'm like 25 minutes from the airport bud
you aint feeling shit
gray horizon
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rapid forum
i wonder how much of the playerbase cs2 will claw back
I think the overlap between the 2 is surprisingly small
Hand full of washed up cs go pro rejects went over, but for the general playerbase
I feel a lot of them would never have played go and will not play CS 2
static fable
csgo is alive just because "NFT" weapon thing
static fable
cause u can earn money from it
rapid forum
Pretty sure valorant has skins aswll no?
subtle tundra
cause u can earn money from it
Yea you don't know what an nft is
static fable
Yea you don't know what an nft is
thats why " "
subtle tundra
Just call it skins like everyone else
rapid forum
I guess my job is an nft since i earn money there 👍
subtle tundra
static fable
https://www.pcgamesn.com/counter-strike-global-offensive/csgo-skins-nft draw your conclusions
vestal wren
I think the overlap between the 2 is surprisingly small
a lot of csgo pros moved to valorant.
I think Shooter have a lot of transferable knowledge, unlike mmorpgs.
subtle tundra
https://www.pcgamesn.com/counter-strike-global-offensive/csgo-skins-nft draw you...
No thanks
balmy condor
I ain't readin that
gusty mirage
A very obvious difference is that CSGO skins are, in sharp contrast to NFTs, fungible.
rapid forum
1 out of 3 letters down, unluck
subtle tundra
I am fangable
gray crest
Non flushable turds
hallow token
Re: consumables: anyone else bring along Fated Fortune Cookies in case you or nobody else has Grand Banquet of the Kalu'ak? Same stat bonus.
balmy condor
you can
gusty mirage
Re: consumables: anyone else bring along Fated Fortune Cookies in case you or no...
get the devilish eggs instead
balmy condor
I don't ever encounter a situation where no one has feasts
gusty mirage
cheaper than cookies
same stats
and you can actually eat them inside of a m+ run
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=403018/deviously-deviled-eggs these bad boys
hallow token
Wicked. And eating probably doesn't wind up taking a bag slot? The Fated Fortune Cookies drop a fortune in your inventory, basically 1g vendor trash unless you get very lucky. Thanks!
Thanks, y'all.
gusty mirage
vestal wren
<https://www.wowhead.com/spell=403018/deviously-deviled-eggs> these bad boys
but you don't get a nice note every time you use it
that is totally not a waste of inventory space
brazen zodiac
oxi <3
gusty mirage
vestal wren
but you can't eat the fortune cookies mid key
gusty mirage
we shouldn't shame the poor fuu
royal lantern
we shouldn't shame the poor fuu
shame for what
poor financial choices?
imagine using flavor pocket worth 150k early expac+mats cus you dont wanna use 2gold food
vestal wren
it was 100-150k early
royal lantern
was that on eu 
royal lantern
using it was the biggest troll move ever
clever sapphire
Last i checked (last week) it was 110k on my realm
vestal wren
seems like its in the 65k range now
vestal wren
using it was the biggest troll move ever
it makes sense for keys because you don't lose time eating when dying
but it isn't as relevant else, given the price of food
royal lantern
it makes sense for keys because you don't lose time eating when dying
pro tip: you are not supposed to die in the first place
gusty mirage
pro tip: you are not supposed to die in the first place
royal lantern
vestal wren
its so simple, damn i feel stupid now
gusty mirage
I hear if you don't die in raid fights
you have a higher chance of killing the boss
sweet dawn
it was 100-150k early
I got one in the first few weeks where it was like 40k... sold it at 40, next day went to 120
Sadge times
gusty mirage
sweet dawn
I never mentally recovered
clever sapphire
you have a higher chance of killing the boss
Thats a lie, i never died during sepulcher and my guild still only got 3 kills
royal lantern
@gusty mirage wana hear some peak reddit brainrot?
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> wana hear some peak reddit brainrot?
is it another post about how bad I am
clever sapphire
Im known for bad luck, understandable
royal lantern
"blizzard cant buff rogue, their DPS isnt amazing, but their minimum dps is high, if they buff it, it will be overperforming for everyone except the top end players"
upvoted in the very serious r/CompetitiveWoW
gusty mirage
so true bestie
gusty mirage
uh
it's me on the last round of sark parses
where I died because I was stupid
and we killed the boss
royal lantern
in all my years of playing wow i never heared someone talking about minimum dps of a class and how its a important balance thing
clever sapphire
Nah i cant even come up with a dumb explanation for minimum dps, and you know how much bullshit i can think up
runic hinge
blizz shouldn't be buffing ret pally either then, or bm hunter ever or half the specs in the game
deft flicker
what the fuck is minimum dps
Redditors discovered 10th percentile
Probably heard Max talk about it
More data to not know what to do with
If you take lower parses in raid - rogues look better than in 95s or 99s compared to others
balmy condor
honestly the rise of data scraping in wow over the last couple years
kinda really fucking sucks
now every clown-shoe owning redditor on the street can point to subcreation or come up with obscure log metric
to prove their deranged opinions
"assa sucks"
well actually if you look at NA keys competed in the first 4 weeks of the patch between the levels of 13 and 17.5 you'll find that the median score is actually higher than BM hunter so really I think blizzard should be buffing BM hunter
royal lantern
"assa sucks"
well actually if you look at NA keys competed in the first 4 weeks ...
litearlly every single time "rogue is weak" is mentioned lol
you get some "BUT HUNTER??????" shit
like yeha
hunter is bad rn
rogue is aswell?????
more then 1 class can have problems
vestal wren
so, if one spec is bad, a complete different class/spec can't be bad too
royal lantern
yes
gusty mirage
you get some "BUT HUNTER??????" shit
neat
their best spec does more damage than our best spec
and our worst spec does less damage than their worst spec
royal lantern
"assa and outlaw need some help, they are in a bad spot overall, espacily for raiding"
"UHM HELLO SUB M+???????????????"
gusty mirage
checkmate idiot hunters
deft flicker
honestly the rise of data scraping in wow over the last couple years
That’s not just wow tbh
balmy condor
That’s not just wow tbh
true, you see it in league and shit too. Every day I wake up and there's a new website to track win% of a champion building a certain item
massively fucked
deft flicker
Wanna prove a point?? Just invent a new metric
vestal wren
the fun part for league is, that each website shows different results
royal lantern
*could’ve been worse though*
yeha, like meassuring stuff with body parts
vestal wren
number system with the base 27
also kown as septemvigesimal
rolls off the tongue well
deft flicker
*tongue
ember mural
also kown as septemvigesimal
Gesundheit
deft flicker
Reminds me of weird days of playing World of Tanks and seeing people boast about their performance by comparing literally anything the stat screen could display: winrate, damage, assisted damage, like 6 flavours of “cumulative performance metric that no one really knows how to calculate but everyone seems to believe despite different flavours giving conflicting results”, average exp, average loot, hit %, etc
Shit was wild. Glad I stopped playing that
vestal wren
any metric will make people compare
gearscore was the first metric in wow that got a lot of attention
second big one is rio score
pure moth
How much of a damage loss is it?
keen spruce
idk
balmy condor
sporecloaks are starting to be heavily suggested for sark
run
spice spire
sporecloaks are starting to be heavily suggested for sark
Skheal issue tbh
balmy condor
yeah that sounds about right
gusty mirage
gl swapping every dps to a sporecloak
and hitting enrage
every single pull
should be simple with your double boomkin lineup
balmy condor
every single pull
just cause you said that they're nerfing sark hp by 10% next week
gusty mirage
good
more nerfs
I wanna guarantee clears on tuesdays
so I can stop logging into wow
for the week
vestal wren
gl swapping every dps to a sporecloak
we had this suggested in our guild
and then, like good officers do, tell these people to think about better solutions
gusty mirage
yep
I mean sporecloak will be good to see more of the fight
but imagine everyone swapping off of sporecloak for p1 sark
lmao
the healers will have a stroke
vestal wren
the problem is
the fights are not designed to rely on items like sporecloak
losing damage due to some deficits in healing (planing/throughput/etc) does not make fights easier
keen spruce
I think the only argument is for early prog to get into p2 more consistently
but if you plan on swapping off later to meet damage checks
you're just gonna have to prog that shit again
gusty mirage
p1 is legit healers nailing the cooldown dance
imagine getting to enrage 3-4 pulls in a row
then swapping off sporecloak
and then having to hard reprog p1
vestal wren
isn't it counter intutive for healers
gusty mirage
which btw I think they need to nerf p1 damage again
vestal wren
like you might have more time in the fight
but healers don't know how much they rly need to heal
gusty mirage
ya
because p1 damage is insanely high
having 1/3 of it covered by sporecloak is gonna be rough
when you swap off of it
vestal wren
i mean my thought is
you learn them how they need to handle cd's with cloak
then everyone puts it off
and you basically can throw away what they learned because you start progressing again
keen spruce
I mean if a couple classes go spore
that don't lose as much
sure
just takes a little pressure off of them
but i gotta spend my sparks on sub gear for m+
gusty mirage
that don't lose as much
that's the problem
gusty mirage
your healers can all swap it
and should if they don't already run it
it's easily the bis embellish for healers
because healing darts are dogshit
azure flare
the fights are not designed to rely on items like sporecloak
Reminds me of when everyone wrnt prydaz back in legion
Then people swapped off and the true prog began during reclears
vestal wren
pryaz was in the end quite good once they boosted the stats on it
azure flare
It was bis basically
In prog
Problem was more that healers healed far less when ppl had it up
Then raiders wanted logs so swapped it off
drifting cloud
sporecloaks are starting to be heavily suggested for sark
just link them our 2 heal and tell them to stop bitching
boss does no dmg after the overnerf
its all burst
drifting cloud
you can/should assign healthpot as a raid cd in p1 since you get it back halfway threw p3 anyways
gusty mirage
no you don't
gray crest
Thank God
gusty mirage
DHs are forbidden from sharing their thoughts in this channel
main vessel
DHs are forbidden from sharing their thoughts in this channel
what if it's a good idea
gusty mirage
it never is
main vessel
explode-y chest from PoE isn't a good idea?
gusty mirage
no
main vessel
what about making it so that if targets with bleeds are moving, they take increased damage from bleeds
gusty mirage
I'm going to go back to work
balmy condor
explode-y chest from PoE isn't a good idea?
new chieftain explode though
1% chance to insta kill the pack
main vessel
I'm kinda digging it tbh
balmy condor
I'm kinda digging it tbh
what if its a 0.1% chance to instantly clear your entire screen
spice spire
so rogues stop crying in my keys when I start kiting
Don’t you have to kite like by design
balmy condor
every dot tick has a 1 in a million chance to enact the wrath of god, removing anything with an enemy nameplate on your screen
main vessel
what if its a 0.1% chance to instantly clear your entire screen
this is just playing gacha games and baby, I'm a whale
drifting cloud
what if I play without nameplates
spice spire
deft flicker
what if its a 0.1% chance to instantly clear your entire screen
Alt+F4 clears all WoW enemies from your screen with a 100% chance
main vessel
Don’t you have to kite like by design
yesn't
spice spire
balmy condor
I'll purge again
spice spire
Was that the purge?
balmy condor
:)
bronze pike
meanies :(
spice spire
If so sounds like it was fixed
bronze pike
this is why sin is always ztier
spice spire
You changed
deft flicker
this is why sin is always ztier
Sin is a beast of a spec, true
spice spire
You know what I hope Ret pallies get another cantrip weapon. But it’s poop
bronze pike
You changed
i used to be cool
bronze pike
You know what I hope Ret pallies get another cantrip weapon. But it’s poop
well if kings rest leak is real :)
:)
spice spire
Don’t
deft flicker
They have allegedly fixed the Embalmer dude, gotta show it off
Also gotta fix two more “dungeon kills itself” cases ig since they’re so obsessed with that this season
Idk how Seat got on the list though. But last time I did it it was a cool experience
keen spruce
i'm unconvinced by the "leak"
like the only really hard one to guess from this season was vp and they got it wrong 
keen spruce
i think mop dungeons with a little bit of updating are dope
stormstout brewery would be cool
keen spruce
balmy condor
I think just anything pre-mop needs a complete rework
balmy condor
and if all goes well, I will be back on solid ground in....................
18 hours
wait
that's without the timezone
so I guess 27 hours
quiet oar
my train leaves in 8 hours
sweet dawn
Tell us how the future (past?) is
limber lion
balmy condor
Tell us how the future (past?) is
will do
gonna sit on a plane for 12 hours and it's only going to take 3 hours to land
wild stuff
sweet dawn
Bro's time travellin
vestal wren
so I guess 27 hours
have a nice time/travel
errant swallow
topaz vine
I just returned after being away for a while, and I got the 4 tier set in my bags ( Currently running old.. vault something ) but its not telling me to put the new one on when I sim it. Does it make sense? its like a 2 % loss .
gusty mirage
do you lose ilvl by equipping the new tier set
topaz vine
no I end on the same ilevel.
gusty mirage
link the sim if you still have the link
topaz vine
2 sec ^^
burnt latch
burnt latch
SURELY
gusty mirage
in b4 another cloak and no dagger
burnt latch
dude i dislocated my knee cap today at 19.20 during football and logged in ready for raid at 19.50
No loot awarded
Actual curse
burnt latch
Is fine just sore it popped right back in luckily
topaz vine
link the sim if you still have the link
burnt latch
No knee gonna stop me
burnt latch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6TrsLwZEibtxjNQ3ptTj7b
Looks legit to me
topaz vine
So i just need to upgrade it before it becomes better than the old?
burnt latch
The elusiveness pick goes brazy tho
gusty mirage
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6TrsLwZEibtxjNQ3ptTj7b
okay that makes a lot more sense, so you'd have to drop an embellishment and you lose some ilvl on the chest to equip the new 4pc
burnt latch
Real ethical gamer
topaz vine
or wll.. stupid question xD
topaz vine
Ohhhh
gusty mirage
ye its essentially losing your cowl to fit the 4pc that's making it a downgrade
burnt latch
Its also double dipping bad cuz of eranog ring not then getting value from cowl since no shadowflame enchant either
gusty mirage
topaz vine
I been away for too long 😆
didnt even see there was a new inchant ^^
been trying to catch up on story aswell... ZZz
spice surge
Is any class using the shadowflame enchant
I was convinced they were gonna make it able to crit so it could be good but alas, i was wrong
gusty mirage
I was convinced they wouldn't give us two tiers of mediocre tier sets either
and here we are
limber lion
I was convinced they were gonna make it able to crit so it could be good but ala...
with sophic giving 17 million primary stat on average, yeah no competition
topaz vine
ty for answering tho ^^
spice surge
Well ye but its such an easy change to make it be able to crit
gusty mirage
ty for answering tho ^^
glad I could help
limber lion
Having more than one singular choice for an enchant? That sounds nuts
gusty mirage
earlier this tier we weren't breaking old 4pc unless the itemlevel difference was big enough
gusty mirage
Having more than one singular choice for an enchant? That sounds nuts
remember the navigation weapon enchants? 🥲
limber lion
The biggest QoL Blizz can do is get rid of all 1 rpm garbage and change it to 5 rpm and compensate the effect accordingly.
limber lion
remember the navigation weapon enchants? 🥲
Yeh pretty dank
The rpm was 5 or 6 for them iirc
So you would proc it once a minute
spice surge
The biggest QoL Blizz can do is get rid of all 1 rpm garbage and change it to 5 ...
Or make em two seperate enchants so you can choose
But one is going to sim 7 dps higher so everybody will pick that one
limber lion
Or make em two seperate enchants so you can choose
Not a fan of that personally, just feeds the "just rng/high roll giga dps" thing we have going on
Consistently doing good dps with a less-rng enchant but never doing giga damage
gusty mirage
yeah sometimes a mediocre parse is literally the result of shit rng
and that feels bad
limber lion
I just wanna press my buttons and do giga damage because I press my buttons well
gusty mirage
I love doing bosses and critting 0/3 beacons
limber lion
Not because the gods chose to proc 17 different effects on me during cds
gusty mirage
it's my favorite
unlucky 0/3 beacon crits + 9% uptime on sophic
better luck next week ig
agile osprey
Blizzard is attempting to dismantle parse culture imo
spice surge
I just wanna press my buttons and do giga damage because I press my buttons well
I dont disagree, but clearly blizzard seems to think there should be a decent variance for most specs
limber lion
I dont disagree, but clearly blizzard seems to think there should be a decent va...
Yeah but there's always been variance and in Shadowlands (or was it even in Dragonflight?) they added the 5% variance to all abilities on top of all the rng that already exists (Crits, effects, enchants etc.)
We were sitting at like 9% variance in Sepulcher and now it's closer to 15%
gusty mirage
Yeah but there's always been variance and in Shadowlands (or was it even in Drag...
started in SL and it took steroids in DF
spice surge
thinking back to in wod when they deliberately made specs easier to play and more rng because "it was hard to balance since the top end were doing so much more damage than anybody else"
Compared to mop
gusty mirage
I mean some variance is fine
as long as it's like part of the spec's kit
I think variance is perfectly fine
what's not fine is the fact that if you run beacon and don't crit any casts, or you have call to suffering and you proc once outside of CDs, or you just proc sophic for 7s of a fight (stealthi knows this pain) it just feels fucking bad
like if you're going over a log and you're like I could've just played without an enchant and did the same damage
that's kind of dogshit
spice surge
I think variance is perfectly fine
Do you think MM enjoyers agree?
gusty mirage
spice surge
Their effect is essentially a stacking buff so if it procs back to back its significantly stronger than if theres 1 seconds of downtime inbetween em
gusty mirage
and I get the design philosophy
over enough iterations it evens out to a pretty decent number
but like you can kill a boss once a week for loot
you don't get to kill it 100 times a week to average out a decent proc rate
limber lion
Do you think MM enjoyers agree? <:kekman:1069601603860037723>
Jesus christ
drifting cloud
Do you think MM enjoyers agree? <:kekman:1069601603860037723>
can confirm azor isnt a fan
ebon notch
peak bobcat
olive flame
Does mirror of fractured tomorrows impact stat prio at all? I didn't see it mentioned in the FAQ
Or should it just give crit
balmy condor
it'll give crit and that's good
olive flame
Okay gotcha ^^
balmy condor
at most you could force it to give you mastery but then you're just losing out on the crit
which is like
nerfing your character
olive flame
Yeah that's what I was wondering
drifting cloud
three times, first one was playing assa
gusty mirage
three times, first one was playing assa
pure moth
@agile osprey @keen spruce we still running?
agile osprey
pure moth
or did you end up running it already?
agile osprey
I'm ready whenever you guys are. I sent you a pm add me. I'll start looking for a tank/healer
keen spruce
<@244639342964899841> <@119274470241206273> we still running?
YE'
leggin in
loggin in
agile osprey
Rip that pally lol
pure moth
lol
agile osprey
keen spruce
next week surely 
main crypt
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sudden canyon
is the dmg on Sepsis meaningful enough to line up the dot with shiv?
runic hinge
Yes
gusty mirage
@burnt latch wasn't meant to be
sudden canyon
Im confused by deathmark tooltip
spice spire
?
sudden canyon
does the bleed duplication only apply to dots before or DM
or is it bleeds applied durring DM
sudden canyon
so it doesnt matter when i recast my emp garrote
balmy condor
As long as you don’t lose uptime on improved garrote in the process and it covers the entirety of Deathmark
sharp falcon
new chieftain explode though
extremely inefficient if evaluated through same lens as other 'explode' type things... what makes it interesting and maybe special is ignite prolif with it, could be absolutely insane for small arena + high density activities like Delve, Simulacrum, Ritual, maybe someday Ultimatum if it ever comes back
sudden canyon
how often are you guys Shiving without TT?
im wondering if i should just macro them.
balmy condor
extremely inefficient if evaluated through same lens as other 'explode' type thi...
Lack of consistency makes for pretty mediocre clear overall honestly, even in those small arena high density stuff, I’m not sure it’s frequent enough to really be a consistent improvement to speed
balmy condor
how often are you guys Shiving without TT?
Most of the time my shiv doesn’t have a tea attached to it I’d say just thinking off the top of my head
sharp falcon
it will be good enough for those activities, it's basically purpose-built for them, and awful as a general clear assist
sudden canyon
ill TT just for the mastery on the big evisc. so like 1-3seconds into SHIV, regardless of my energy.
balmy condor
it will be good enough for those activities, it's basically purpose-built for th...
Pohx was pogging out about it for RF I heard but yeh idk
subtle tundra
I think 1% is too low
balmy condor
ill TT just for the mastery on the big evisc. so like 1-3seconds into SHIV, rega...
Simply worse dps but if that makes you feel better more power to you
subtle tundra
I would get abyss jewel with 3% chance for onslaught/phasing and get mad at how low the uptime was
balmy condor
Stack 10 of them