assassination

[marble cedar]

Ok that's fine then I just thought I was losing my mind 😄

[balmy condor]

and then they get giga buffed by aug

[marble cedar]

Friends constantly saying I'm trash (all in jest) and I'm like...there's nothing else I can do 😄

[balmy condor]

it's a lot of effort for no payoff

[clever sapphire]

warriors shamys hunters palas

[balmy condor]

can really play whatever, assassination will do more boss damage, sub/outlaw can help more on the adds

[cerulean nest]

so same as usual

alright

which phase would you say is the most difficult to prog?

[balmy condor]

they all have their issues

p3 is a dps check with a couple of overlaps

p1 is a heal check

p2 is a positioning check and add dps check

[cerulean nest]

word

just trying to figure out how to allocate damage with our group

how many people building for add damage vs not

[drifting cloud]

nobody should be playing for add dmg if you have anywhere near a normal setup

theres just some classes that will do more dmg to the big guy by default without having to spec for it

1st one melts from buff anyways, 2nd one can die when boss is doing his dash, 3rd one you want to get to around 30% before boss ports away, doesnt have to die

[cerulean nest]

that makes sense

we have a lot of people who literally want to parse in p1 and then have to switch their talents around later in prog to actually kill adds

so I'm trying to get ahead of that lol

anyone have a log of their first kill I can look at btw?

[royal lantern]

what fight?

oh m sark

[cerulean nest]

ye

[quick idol]

Hello guys !
I’m considering switching to nelf. Is the tech shadow meld/stealth still a thing or not ?

[ripe relic]

Night elf is awesome. Plus stealth moves peed. I've gotten shadowed stealth to work a couple times but not every time. Not in a raid fight

[quick idol]

I guess with a macro to cast them both ?

[ripe relic]

I haven't tried that yet

[clever sapphire]

i personally dont think its worth the effort, only reason to swap race for me would be for transmog

[balmy condor]

Only works on non-bosses, so trash pulls in m+

You have to cast it, wait a second, then go into true stealth

It’s not really super duper impressive as a dps tool and there’s no utility usage for it currently

So yeh

[quick idol]

Ok ! So belf/orc or dwarf/human att best I guess ?

[woeful meteor]

Dwarf, Tauren

in pure dps

Dwarf is probably the best race performance wise, since stoneform is consistently very strong

[quick idol]

But you look ugly

I can’t bare that

[clever sapphire]

gotta get ugly if you want dps

[quick idol]

Both Tauren and dwarf

[woeful meteor]

void elf is pretty good dmg and is the best elf model

[quick idol]

How so is it best ?

The passifs are not super appealing at glance

[woeful meteor]

entropic embrace dmg is pretty good

[quick idol]

Ok !

I’ll take a closer look at that

[balmy condor]

The damage on races doesn’t matter

Please don’t pick your race based off the top 0.2% dps

[woeful meteor]

Says the guy that turned from fox to cow in a night 😄

[clever sapphire]

but he is the top 0.2%

[deft flicker]

That’s called “evolution”

[cerulean nest]

I went mechagnome this tier and have loved every second of it

[deft flicker]

Failsafe is nice

[royal lantern]

racial doesnt matter, simple as that

[deft flicker]

Although the lockpicking and tool racials feel wasted af

[royal lantern]

im playing the "worst" race and still do more then most of you guys

[royal lantern]

bro, lockpicking is "relevant" once every 6 expansions anyway

[cerulean nest]

I like my character to be the smallest it can possibly be on screen

and the mechagnome sprint animation is hysterical

what's not to love

[deft flicker]

Can’t wait to prove you wrong with Dire Maul North M+

[clever sapphire]

ngl, i play undead and to this day i have no idea what my racials are besides being able to get out of sleep/charm

[deft flicker]

You can eat people

[royal lantern]

i think you have a shadow dmg proc or something like that idk

[deft flicker]

And breathe underwater

[clever sapphire]

2 things useless after you are done leveling

no wonder i forgot

since i didnt know about racials when i was still lvling xD

[deft flicker]

Nah, eating is huge

[clever sapphire]

could be 🤔

[deft flicker]

You heal from that

[frozen iris]

Mine was the exact opposite lol. I have wanted Tuaren rogue since vanilla, because a giant cow in stealth is too funny.

[clever sapphire]

but i wont just stop mid key/raid to eat someone, like huh

[deft flicker]

It’s a 10s channel for like 35% of your health

Casters also get mana from that

But still it can be nice

[clever sapphire]

well imma trust you on that, im probably too small brain to find a good use for that

[royal lantern]

10sec for 35% is nothing mate lol

like

vulpera racial is a better heal lmao

and that one is on the lower value ones

except for getting #1 healing logs on sunking during CN

[balmy condor]

I was going for rank 1 I have you know

[deft flicker]

Yeah, when zandalari get a full bar in like 5s

[royal lantern]

rank1 out of 29 players when you killed it?

[deft flicker]

Now that I think about it… do we have any good healing on others besides Heart of Azeroth and vulpera’s bag??

[royal lantern]

vulpera is only "good" healing when it crits

+its on the gcd

[deft flicker]

Yeah, but for old content purposes

[royal lantern]

draenei is a max hp% hot

i dont think there are other racials that let you heal somebody else?

[deft flicker]

IIRC it’s a small one, smaller than vulpera’s thing

Maybe in professions or some old items

Like idk would sun king be bandageable

I doubt we can bring heart of azeroth there

[gilded oasis]

Yes, only pick your race based on how your tmog looks

[spice spire]

Real

[royal lantern]

based

and real

[spice spire]

Aren’t you a vulpera player?

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

not everyone can be cute like george

but im trying

[blazing jewel]

[clever sapphire]

this is my simple undeod transmog, a butter knife and a butcher knife (wanted to show it last time already but forgor)

[royal lantern]

average bri*ish geezer

[balmy condor]

A common bloke

[deft flicker]

A golden common, as Hearthstone innkeeper would say

[sweet dawn]

Smallest shank in Croydon

[clever sapphire]

me no british guy, me austrian

yes we have kangoroos here

and spiders

[light warren]

is there a huge difference between sub and ass

[runic hinge]

They’re both a preference

[wary ice]

I'm an ass man and a sub main

[somber sparrow]

you've unlocked the medic spec for rogues where it's a healing specialization where we bandage people up and use antivenoms and stuff. maybe that's the rework coming soon™

[light warren]

crimson vail becomes aoe + throwable

non magic healer would be cool

[sweet dawn]

Assassination becomes the Mad Alchemist spec?

Mixes potions and throws them and stuff

new support spec kekw?

[light warren]

they need healer rogue spec and tank shaman spec

[jovial verge]

Unironically though support Rogue spec based on debuffing people with poisons sounds based

[light warren]

or yeah maybe not healer but more like aug evoker

where its debuffs

[blazing jewel]

I would actually reroll off of rogue if we became a debuff spec

That sounds miserable lol

[jovial verge]

Yeah to be clear - I meant as an additional spec

not replacing any of our current ones

that would be lame

[light warren]

yea new spec entirly

[burnt latch]

Delete rogue

Give specs to other classes

[light warren]

tank shaman

[digital raft]

Baaaard

Rogue should get a bard support spec.

[sweet dawn]

I think like a mage/rogue spec based on illusion magic to debuff enemies, making them do less damage and take more would be cool

[gaunt moat]

@balmy condor at phase 3, after transition if use DM, my vanish is still on CD for a while.
do i delay DM?

[balmy condor]

vanish is on cooldown sepsis covers every dm

[buoyant pilot]

ill be a sin debuff cuck ill make your foes weaker for you daddy UwU

[balmy condor]

this is just phase 3

with sepsis in blue

vanish the grey in the middle

deathmark in green

[storm belfry]

I’m glad they said they don’t plan on making more support type dps at this time. Especially after scrolling up

[spice spire]

You’d just leave us for it anyway

[storm belfry]

I am against support in WoW. Doesn’t belong

[spice spire]

Silence lock player

[storm belfry]

I’m still raiding as rogue

We are on sark. Tho I probs won’t get the kill cause baby

[spice spire]

That’s fair

Start zskarn this week

[blazing jewel]

You’re in for a good time

[spice spire]

Rashok was hella fun

Hated the wipe count

But constantly swapping people does that

[blazing jewel]

Rashok is one of the best this tier

[spice spire]

137 wipes, 30 with the group sticking forward.
6:43 kill was yikers tho

[blazing jewel]

[quiet oar]

Just snip your least Favorite range

With cloak

[gray crest]

Kittenz had like 200+ wipes on rashok

@gusty mirage do you have the clip?

[spice spire]

I’ve seen the clip

Yeah I fucking died at 6:30 so rip that

[gaunt moat]

Sark Day 4.5 report (only 2 hour raid):
worked on post-transition tactics. 35% best.

[keen spruce]

are you guys goin down once or twice in p3

or is everyone just doin the go down once strat now

[gusty mirage]

twice?

tf

[balmy condor]

we went down once

[gusty mirage]

contrary to popular belief I do not keep clips hidden in my asshole that I can pull out at a moments notice

[spice spire]

Yeah but you’re a selfish lover

[balmy condor]

brother what

[spice spire]

So sauce?

[gray crest]

I see, its only the gromnak clips

[spice spire]

I was responding to u

[gusty mirage]

correct

life's about having priorities

https://clips.twitch.tv/NiceMildPeanutMoreCowbell-ZclbvXptylEp0tO6

you're welcome

[silk bane]

me looking at all the gromank clips, and oxis asshole where hes keeping them.

[royal lantern]

where is the NO MECHANICS NO MECHANICS clip

[cerulean nest]

why are there 30 sark strats for us to choose from lol

[runic hinge]

Variety is the spice of life

[oak sky]

I love him

[gaunt moat]

We haven't even gotten to the part where you go down

[keen spruce]

why

[gaunt moat]

Because that's very late into the phase

[ebon notch]

every time you go down you deal raid damage

so not really ideal to go down on cds

unless you're a warlock or mage or smth

[keen spruce]

i mean the whole raid

the old strat

[ebon notch]

then once

[keen spruce]

i just didn't know if people were still doin it

[ebon notch]

most people who are progging wont have the dps to avoid going down

[keen spruce]

well once in transition

and once near the end

[ebon notch]

yeah but transition isnt p3

[gaunt moat]

Whole raid goes down 3 times throughout the fight
First transition
Second transition
then mid-late phase 3

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mocking-mock-dont-backsass-me-gif-18596761

yes okay old strat then

[balmy condor]

oh

we didn't go down at all in p3

[drifting cloud]

just kill the boss in 6min or

👼

[gusty mirage]

the old strat was going down once

in p3

[keen spruce]

once on transition once later

[drifting cloud]

sir you obviously dont count the transition one

unless theres demons out there that would skip that one

to make the boss harder or whatever reason

[balmy condor]

Well ackchually the tank doesn’t go down on that one

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-voices-hallucinations-gif-24630735

[gusty mirage]

lol

[gaunt moat]

I think Shmeeps last raid on echo made him lose his mind

[keen spruce]

[ripe relic]

everyone have a hug from neighborhood kitty

[bronze pike]

i have a new assassin fix for u

the fix is a tier set

[gusty mirage]

just stop

[bronze pike]

but

u didnt hear my idea yet

[ripe relic]

mutilate can now drop poison bombs and deathmark auto exsangs on cast (and works)

we can dream

The shadowmeld thing does beg the question of why, when some races get crazy abilities, why not be able to have 2 min racial to stealh tino, it's good for cat and touge instead of, well, nothing.

[versed mica]

Meld shouldn't work with rogue abilities imo

If it has to, then undead racial should proc off dots

No icd

[ripe relic]

why not both

[misty holly]

Timestrike dagger is really good. It's like a free embellishment.

Pretty sure this means we're going to be using 2 of them for sure next tier

[runic hinge]

For sure

[misty holly]

So putting the food buff thing on my crafted dagger was a mistake

[runic hinge]

Oh damn. Same

[storm forum]

It'll probably be worth to keep crafted dagger main hand early in the season

Cause ilvl mainhand definitely outshines the proc at heroic ilvl

And then you're waiting for it to drop at max ilvl in ur vault

Which will definitely happen

Right at the end of the expac

Right before the prerelease event

Just in time to help level and get replaced by a green three hours later

[runic hinge]

That’s true. Thanks for blessing my vault

[storm forum]

I still can't believe I got a mythic eggnog ring

The last possible day

[runic hinge]

3 kills and 3 vaults and I didn’t get one

Believable

[spice spire]

Skill issue tbh

[storm forum]

True

If I just

Dropped out of class

So I could attend mythic raid

I would have gotten it way sooner

[spice spire]

True and real

[bronze pike]

wrong

my idea is better

[runic hinge]

Let’s hear it

[spice spire]

No

Please

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/too-late-15years-the-incredibles-gif-14713239

2pc: mutilate poisons the target making it cause 5% less damage to you stacking up to 5 times, each stack has a 4 second duration. envenom generates a high amount of threat and slows your main target by 50% increase your movement speed by 30%. garrote has a 10 second cd, instantly taunts the target, and does 26% more damage over time

4pc: mark for death reduces the damage the target deals to you by 40%, does 200% more damage but now has a 4min cd reduced by .5 seconds per 3 combo points spent. your hp armor and dodge is increased by 5% per poison/bleed on the target.

sin rogue is nerfed by50% and has a threat value to balance

[spice spire]

Delete this nephew

[runic hinge]

I have regret

[bronze pike]

the idea is to make sin a valid tanking spec or a solid dps spec without the tier

so you can legit swap around when your offtank has irl or quits

without doing a full rework of the spec

everyone wins

[runic hinge]

What if I want a set to do damage

[brazen zodiac]

tanking spec

[bronze pike]

take out the tier set

duh

[brazen zodiac]

@spice spire I hope your day went well <3

[spice spire]

No you

I need to figure out profession cartel of a52

[brazen zodiac]

Even better, everyone's day going well 💃

[bronze pike]

no u

[brazen zodiac]

what profession were you interested in?

[spice spire]

I need to figure out enchanting/lw/jc

[brazen zodiac]

you can message me with any questions if u want hehehe.

i actually just finally max'd out the last node in LW, kinda based hehe

like 700+ knwoledge points lul

[spice spire]

[runic hinge]

Level 33 irl today 🥳

[main vessel]

Alright

Quake

If you had to pick between the tank sin suggestion

Or my star mommy suggestion

[spice spire]

Death

[brazen zodiac]

topple <3

[main vessel]

Which would you pick

[spice spire]

I choose death

[main vessel]

Hi inmem :3

[spice spire]

[main vessel]

Silly quake

That wasn’t an option

[spice spire]

It was the only option presented to me

[main vessel]

[spice spire]

See you soon papi xoxo

[gilded oasis]

@spice spire

[spice spire]

Tysm I needed that

Bless you. Hope sark is going well, had to get off for a bit, was glad to catch a stream though

[gilded oasis]

it went ok, we saw p2 a few more times and p3 twice (then died). getting there

[spice spire]

You guys got this

[gilded oasis]

[stiff geode]

Happy birthday man. Also nice Xbox tag, sign of the times during them days. 😄

[runic hinge]

Definitely shows my age

[bronze pike]

hbday :)

[stiff geode]

Def used teh a lot, all because of pure pwnage

[spice spire]

Wait hbd Tony don’t let shmeeps lewd ur knees again

[runic hinge]

I hope that never happens again

[spice spire]

Same

But enjoy the day friend

[hollow helm]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[idle inlet]

When is the ideal time to use feint on rashok?

[royal lantern]

when he jumps and on the soak when you dont have cloak for it

[strange python]

is this out of date?

[quiet oar]

I read when you jump on the soap

And was Confused

[deft flicker]

The spreadsheet should be up to date, sim links might be oldge

[strange python]

the links arent working at all

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[deft flicker]

Hmmmm

[deft flicker]

They have a lifespan, ig the spreadsheet has all you need to recreate the sims

I can open the spreadsheet, stuff is there, sims tell they’re outdated

[gaunt moat]

FYI these kinda ideas are bannable.

[bronze pike]

I would accept my fate

[blazing jewel]

it is time to deliver punishment

[gaunt moat]

At times like this I wish I was still a mod.

[clever sapphire]

and here i thought i had cursed ideas

[bronze pike]

It’s only logical

[gaunt moat]

And yet we suffer for your sins

[balmy condor]

What a terrible day to wake up

[royal lantern]

yeha, thinking the same on every single workday tbh

[quiet oar]

Still german sleep schedule?

[balmy condor]

yep

I fly back next wednesday

[quiet oar]

Oh i thought you are Already in America

[balmy condor]

nop

[quiet oar]

In American your sleep schedule is so fucksd

Or will be

[balmy condor]

it's fucked everywhere always

my sleep schedule is famously messed up

just perma

I'm a weird dude

[quiet oar]

Working as intented i guess?

[spice spire]

Ye

[quiet oar]

But whispyr

A question thst came in my mind

Can you drive with American drive license in germany?

[balmy condor]

yes

tourism is usually fine

so as long as your stay is less than 6 months

and you have a valid license from your home country

you're good to go

[cobalt hemlock]

so you are going on vacation to NA?

[balmy condor]

no I'm from NA

I live in california

I'm on vacation visiting my family in germany right now

[cobalt hemlock]

heard that place is super expensive

[balmy condor]

depends where in california

but in the bay area around san francisco it is yeah

as you get away from the coast and more inland it's all farmland, and that usually isn't bad

up north is a lot of forest area so that's not bad too

south is a bit of an issue cause like you get out into nowhere a bit, so it's cheaper

but then you go too far and it's back to los angeles/san diego

so it doesn't really get "cheap"

it just gets cheaper because you're a bit away from the big stuff

[royal lantern]

just need to accept the total speed psycopaths that that drive around herr

[cobalt hemlock]

what kind of job do you have?

[balmy condor]

the one thing that fucking sucks in germany lowkey

is that the speed limit changes

every 0.5km

for no fucking reason

oh its 80 here

oh now it's 100

now its 70

psyche its 50

actually the previous speed limit doesn't exist anymore

LMAO ITS A TOWN GO THIRTY NOW

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

oh you're exiting the town go 100 again

[blazing jewel]

I need to try the German speed

[quiet oar]

Yeah

[royal lantern]

tfw im driving 100 in a area where 80 is allowed

[quiet oar]

Its really annoying

[royal lantern]

and people drive past me

[shy axle]

30/50 in towns/villages and 70 - 100 on country roads, 80 -120/130 - open on autobahn if the road is maintained well enough or if there are no curves is a rough "guide" for that

[blazing jewel]

Are you talking in mph or non freedom units

[spice spire]

100kmh

[royal lantern]

germany is civilized world

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

aka km/h

[quiet oar]

Yeah

The coherent numbers

[blazing jewel]

But the fun no speed limit freeway

[quiet oar]

Not freedom

[shy axle]

in which federal state are you staying?

[balmy condor]

we were going down the autobahn and it was 120 for a bit, then it was 80, then it was 100, then it was 80 again going into a tunnel, we came out and it was 120

all within 5 minutes

it was omega cringe

[quiet oar]

Every 10km its construction Site

[blazing jewel]

[quiet oar]

So you have to drive 80 kmh

[shy axle]

it is 😄

[balmy condor]

Baden-Württemberg

[shy axle]

easy to get a ticket if not paying attention

[blazing jewel]

That’s horrible

[royal lantern]

there is a "limit" btw

most of the time its bettwen 100-120kmh

and yeha, constructions anywhere

[blazing jewel]

Wait what

[royal lantern]

YOOOOOOO

[quiet oar]

Nett hier

[blazing jewel]

That’s not even fast

[quiet oar]

Nah

[spice spire]

Silence florida man

[blazing jewel]

[quiet oar]

It depends which autobahn

Most of them are unlimited

But constructions

Will slow you down

[balmy condor]

120 would be 10mph over the speed limit everywhere in the US

[spice spire]

Yeah 80 isn’t that fast

[royal lantern]

if you go above 120 and something happens, you are fucked

and, well, if something happens with 120 you are PROBABLY fucked anyway

[shy axle]

i am working in mannheim bawü sometimes and the usual road i took was open, now everywhere contruction and its 80

the german way of life

[blazing jewel]

Is it kph?

Kmph?

[blazing jewel]

Baby speed

[balmy condor]

schlimm hier, aber stuttgart21 is schlimmer

[spice spire]

He’s a florida man, the only speed they know is meth levels

[balmy condor]

if you're trying to go from ferngleiss to S-bahn in stuttgart its actually so omega fucking cringe

it's like legitimately a 5-10 minute walk

around the entire train station

[blazing jewel]

Ive done 140mph and thought my cars turbo was going to explode

225kph for eu brains

[quiet oar]

Look at this guy

He has turbo

[balmy condor]

with a suitcase and a backpack walking through stuttgart to get to your train when its 33c outside

[blazing jewel]

Dog you live in Germany

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

Almost every German car is turboed now lol

[royal lantern]

its stuttgart, what do you expect

lol

[quiet oar]

What

[balmy condor]

Better than america

[royal lantern]

capitalism hellhole + i was born there, not a good combination

[balmy condor]

So like, the bare minimum

[quiet oar]

What Do you wish was the same in murica?

What is something you really like about being in germany atm

[blazing jewel]

[quiet oar]

Maybe not being in the same country as @blazing jewel

[spice spire]

Damn

[quiet oar]

God am i Bad at writing

[royal lantern]

im not an expert about america cus i dont live here

but i gues atleast somewhat walkable citys+you can get sick without ruining your own life with debt are 2bigger points

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Walkable cities is a big thing

[spice spire]

Walkable cities exist?

[quiet oar]

Wdym by walk able?

[spice spire]

Tf

[balmy condor]

Like able to be walked

[quiet oar]

Access Ing everything without car

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

In America you have a sidewalk left and right

And then like a 6 lane road

Peak cager experience

[blazing jewel]

And then you get in your car to drive .3miles to Starbucks

[spice spire]

The closest thing I found to a walkable city so far is the French quarter of New Orleans

Then you get into city proper and ur fucked

[royal lantern]

can actually go shopping in bigger cities without a car cus stuff is not that far away+not 300000streets blocking you

[blazing jewel]

If you never leave brickell which is sort of the new downtown in Miami you can get by fine just walking

[spice spire]

There’s some of that in Nashville as well but that’s due to sheer amount of people so cars just get omega cucked

But in general

America really sucks for that

[quiet oar]

Didnt know thats not a Thing in merica

[balmy condor]

Suburbia is also a bitch

Cause like depending where you live

It’s a 25-30 min walk to even get out of houses and see a shop

[quiet oar]

So you take suburb

To get to places where you want to Shop etc.

And still have to walk 20 mins

[balmy condor]

No that’s subway

Suburb is an area that’s just rows of houses

For as long as the eye can see

[quiet oar]

Ohhh

Got it

[spice spire]

Suburb is technically just a city outside a major city

[balmy condor]

Yeh whatever

[spice spire]

But also suburbs can extend like crazy

[balmy condor]

“Neu-bau” in german is kinda similar

[spice spire]

Like I’m 35 miles from@nashville still suburb

[balmy condor]

But america does it on crack

[blazing jewel]

Suburbia where it’s a 5 min drive to even get to a gas station

[quiet oar]

I mean we have that here too

[balmy condor]

Yeah just x5 in America

[quiet oar]

But in Most cities or villages its only 15 mins to the next shop

[spice spire]

Read my statement above for context

I am 35 miles out and still in suburbia

That’s a lot of suburb

[blazing jewel]

Pov I’m about to find quake

I have his location

[quiet oar]

35 miles are 56 kilometer

Thats far

Ngl

[spice spire]

I’ve leaked my city several times

It is

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

I drive it every day

[blazing jewel]

35 mile commute

[quiet oar]

Dont leak it to scana

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

35 kyle commute

[spice spire]

During rush hour it takes up to 3 hours

[blazing jewel]

Holy fuck

[quiet oar]

Oof

[blazing jewel]

How do you stay sane

[spice spire]

I don’t?

Also I stopped going during rush hour

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/team-america-america-hell-yeah-brother-hulk-hogan-american-flag-gif-14478578

[spice spire]

So I’m at work now (hehe) or I’m at work at 11 am

[blazing jewel]

Bro if my commute is more than 20 minutes I actively start finding apartments closer to my work

[spice spire]

And work until 8 pm

[spice spire]

3k

Unless I wanna live in the ghetto

[balmy condor]

He sings along to the Taylor swift-only radio station his wife hard coded into his cars stereo

[spice spire]

And that’s like a mega scuffed apartment

[spice spire]

Be kind to yourself

[blazing jewel]

If I wanted a studio under 1500 I’d have to drive over an hour to work I feel you

Some of the people at my old job got so priced out they would take a train to work and live 2hrs away

[quiet oar]

Scana rich miama Boy

[spice spire]

I mean

Im this far out for a one bedroom and it’s still 1500

[blazing jewel]

Not rich just no responsibilities

No girl no kids

[spice spire]

1kish sqft

[royal lantern]

i need 5-7min for work

[blazing jewel]

I’m at 2400 for 400sqft

[quiet oar]

I need 10-20 minutes

15 km

[balmy condor]

I usually finish in about 2 min

What

[spice spire]

Yeah I lose 10-20 hours a week in drive time

[quiet oar]

[spice spire]

America is wildin

[blazing jewel]

What do you do for entertainment while driving

[quiet oar]

I could never Do this

[blazing jewel]

Podcasts or anything

[quiet oar]

30 Minutes a Day drive me crazy already

[spice spire]

Music shoot the shit with you guys while in stand still

Contemplate life choices

Audiobooks

[balmy condor]

He listens back to the tricks of the trade podcast made by the lovely people at ravenholdt

Obviously

[spice spire]

True

[blazing jewel]

When is the next one

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

We will gather an army of shitposts

[balmy condor]

You think I plan these?

[blazing jewel]

Purple name bad

[balmy condor]

I tried that

Planning difficult when not everyone involved decides to actually stick to a plan

[quiet oar]

Just invite scana

[blazing jewel]

No

[quiet oar]

Roast the shit out of him

[spice spire]

Dudes gotta be the best rogue in his guild first

Rn he’s #3

[blazing jewel]

Real and true

[spice spire]

Other two are on vacation

[blazing jewel]

Behind hawk and banshers rogue

[spice spire]

Nah rae

I assume Rae still in guild

[balmy condor]

Going to ask him to rate his guild members performance this tier from 1-10 and watch his officer core pop a blood vessel

[blazing jewel]

I haven’t seen Rae on in a minute

[quiet oar]

That would be funny

Ngl

[blazing jewel]

He was doing keys earlier this season

[spice spire]

Yeah vacation

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

He’s gaining tho

He started as rogue #4

[balmy condor]

Rae a bulking monster

[blazing jewel]

Is he on a gym training arc

[balmy condor]

Rae go jim for sure

[spice spire]

Call me Jim

[vestal wren]

omg its him, jim

[blazing jewel]

Realz on tricks of the trade

[balmy condor]

I’ll jostle your jimmies

[balmy condor]

Forget it lmao

[spice spire]

Jimothy buckets, I’m him

[balmy condor]

He would be serving as an official voice for blizzard in that capacity

And that ain’t gonna fly

[blazing jewel]

Only sane individuals allowed to write in the podcast chat

Uhh

“Not realz” on the rh podcast

[balmy condor]

Zlaer

Famous forum poster

[spice spire]

Tbf on a rogue podcast what else would be asked outside of dev stuff?
It’s unfortunate because he seems like an interesting guy and I love when he’s around just yoking and cutting up

Also learning that he was a former pvp competitor was

[blazing jewel]

Rate all the dogs in rh

George excluded because easily best dog award

[balmy condor]

Chinese forums invited him to chat but then it was advertised as an AMA and uhhhhhh not happening lmao

Would’ve been content though

[royal lantern]

take some randoms that make huge wall of texts in wowhead comments everytime a balance change happens

they clearly know more about the game then everyone else

[quiet oar]

I mean itscool to have a dev in class discord

[balmy condor]

Invite on what’s his face. Xaer or whatever

[quiet oar]

That interacts with certain topics

[balmy condor]

The guy who shits on every assa article

And is banned from ravenholdt

We unban for podcast

Have him on

[royal lantern]

oh, the guy that hates you yeha

[balmy condor]

Then ban again

Thoughts?

[royal lantern]

great idea

[quiet oar]

How Do you get banned here

Did He insult you

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/nutshell-internet-fight-audio-dogs-gif-3546722

[balmy condor]

Being an uber-asshole, saying the dumbest misinformation 24/7, being a spam bot, or saying slurs

[quiet oar]

You can just say its @blazing jewel (jk obv)

[balmy condor]

Generally like as long as you’re not a pain in the ass for the community and don’t say incredibly wrong things you’re good to go

[royal lantern]

rules got updated, Posting porn aswell

[blazing jewel]

MOD CHECK

[balmy condor]

I mean that was a thing as well

When the JPC brigade happened

Or that one guy that posted cock in off topic

What’s his face

[quiet oar]

Yeah ok that are special people t h

[balmy condor]

Started with an S

[quiet oar]

That are people who complain on Twitter and insult peopld Till they Do self harm

[blazing jewel]

Imagine being banned from RH for something in OT

That deserves a special award

[royal lantern]

yeha, thats some hardcore shit

its frking OT

[quiet oar]

I mean

Oxi almost Muted hataro

[blazing jewel]

Okay real talk

[quiet oar]

Im Sure zine and koffing were close to it yesterday

[blazing jewel]

What spec channel do you think has resulted in the most bans

And why is it outlaw

[royal lantern]

outlaw

[quiet oar]

Spoiler

[royal lantern]

most FotM rollers

during BfA

[balmy condor]

Outlaw just has more people

[royal lantern]

simple as that lol

[balmy condor]

We’ve banned people from every channel

But outlaw just has more people to be stupid

[quiet oar]

I mean its normal if you act out of the law to get banned right

[clever sapphire]

imagine getting banned in the assa channel. There are already like only 20 people here, and half of those arent even assa colored

[quiet oar]

Wait for assa to be top dps again

[blazing jewel]

All specs of rogue goodge

But sin is most fun for reclears

[clever sapphire]

i can watch cooking videos while raiding as sin, its pretty neat

[balmy condor]

I miss hyperfox

[clever sapphire]

well it resulted in me dying yesterday on my first kazarra kill but its fiiiiine

[clever sapphire]

who dat

i dont think i was around at that time

[peak bobcat]

Wait until Assa is fotm in 10.2

[quiet oar]

Thats big copium

Was assa in bfa top?

Or was the last time legion

[blazing jewel]

Sin in execute range is pure dopamine I hope it’s on top

[clever sapphire]

assa was top in DF week 1

[peak bobcat]

Good times

[quiet oar]

I meant a whole Tier

[clever sapphire]

imagine all the fotm players, after they leveld a rogue to 70 and geared it, just so its week 3 and it has been nerfed to the ground

[quiet oar]

Because Legion nighthold

Was assa terrotitoy

[peak bobcat]

Rogue was still arguably the best class in the game

[clever sapphire]

it still is

[peak bobcat]

I just like how sin was buffed to be competitive just to be irrelevant the next patch again

They’ve gotta be cooking with the mini rework I have faith

[balmy condor]

Guy was around end of shadowlands into df beta and made outrageously wrong statements 24/7 and then would argue about it with cooked takes forever

Eventually he was just answering so many questions with bad info that bullying him to shut the fuck up asking him to stop wasn’t working

So he caught a ban

[clever sapphire]

ah nice, i think i started getting into the rogue discord like a month or 2 into DF so i somehow missed him or ignored it dunno

note to self, dont argue if your take is shit

[vestal wren]

can use this out of context to gaslite guy

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

It would’ve been fine if like, he had any amount of self-reflection

But even with log and sim data showing he was wrong

He quintupled down

And it was just silly

Dude was arguing just to argue

[vestal wren]

i think we had quite some polarizing personalities over the years

[royal lantern]

gaslighting guy is allways the right choice

[balmy condor]

It’s one thing to be confidently wrong, it’s another to be confidently wrong and then not admit when you’ve made a mistake

The inability to do wrong is more of a problem

Cause if you can recognize that you’re wrong, you have the ability to improve

[clever sapphire]

challenge accepted, im gonna recognize that im wrong and still not improve

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna make you improve and you’re gonna like it

What’s haste breakpoint for exsang

What’s haste breakpoint for ct single target

What’s crit cap

700x a day

For 8 months

My first patch helping out in here

[clever sapphire]

make me log on more than once a week first

[balmy condor]

ah memories

the "deleted user" really sells it

[clever sapphire]

ah im already here for that when i have a cursed build or rota to share

[balmy condor]

as if I don't have enough work getting all the new content ready

I'll tell you right now

I'm gonna need people to step up

and control the channel a bit

[clever sapphire]

i wont even be able to control this D... with all the juicy info you will be spreading

[balmy condor]

[kind forge]

man it was just peaceful

[clever sapphire]

lets just hope outlaw gets the hype for some reason, then we can just enjoy that channel burning while we sip our mastery teas for dmg during cooldowns

[balmy condor]

idk

I wouldn't hold my breath

outlaw is probably getting the least changes

would assume that most of the changes are going to be class tree and assassination

and then like sub left side

and then outlaw might get some tweaks or some new pathing or some shit

but outlaw in general is pretty fine

if the focus isn't assassination I would be surprised

[blazing jewel]

I think most of outlaw is really happy with the idea of HO

[balmy condor]

yeah they all love KiR

[blazing jewel]

[quiet oar]

I would argue

[clever sapphire]

they love kir like we love exsang

[quiet oar]

Assa > Outlaw > sub

Sub doesnt need that much

Imo

[balmy condor]

idk I think the left side is kinda giga fucked

[kind forge]

[balmy condor]

the rest of sub is fine

[quiet oar]

Yeah fair

[balmy condor]

but I think if sub left side gets changes right

[clever sapphire]

rotten is gucchi, im a rotten enjoyer, fight me

[balmy condor]

how much is changing there

[quiet oar]

But i feel like Outlaw needs still a bit more love than sup

[balmy condor]

versus how much would potentially change on outlaw

feels like not a lot

[balmy condor]

why am I not surprised

[blazing jewel]

The rotten is piss

[quiet oar]

Look at his name

That explains all

That guy would take Kir exsang and rotten in one build of possible

[clever sapphire]

kir is kinda meh tbh, i dont even see why its cursed

its just meh

i like dreadblades tho

[quiet oar]

???

[vestal wren]

the left side atm works because of the tier set

that is specifically designed to make the left side work

[balmy condor]

reasonable take from cursed

[quiet oar]

True

[vestal wren]

its just like, if you try very hard to make somehting good, it might be actually

!sheet

[clever sapphire]

ah ye true, i forgot that its useless without the tierset

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vestal wren]

wll "good" means 3% behind still

[clever sapphire]

that moment when black powder ST build better than rotten

[vestal wren]

changes of the 3 -> 2 pointers is fairly guaranteed

would be surprised if we keep 3 pointers

[clever sapphire]

but to be fair, im like 100% sure i played the rotten wrongly, i just enjoyed the weirdness of the build

[quiet oar]

Also doesnt suprise me

[balmy condor]

yeh there is no way 3 pointers stay

[kind forge]

i think it was pretty straight forward instead of weird

[vestal wren]

tbh i am excited

assassination is in such a weird spot atm

[clever sapphire]

surely deathspike is making a comeback as a class talent right? instead of dance

[vestal wren]

can we remove sepsis from subtlety?

[clever sapphire]

sepsis with its legendary from shadowlands, its always in it

now sub has deathmark and adrenaline rush on a 1:30 cd

lower cd than actual deathmark

[vestal wren]

probably hot take

but i think sepsis works best on assassination atm

[balmy condor]

that's not really that hot

[vestal wren]

it feels okay-ish on outlaw

[balmy condor]

it got changed for assa specifically to work with things

[vestal wren]

not good on subtlety

[clever sapphire]

ye i dont think so either, since the changes its obviously just made for assa

[vestal wren]

fair

[kind forge]

feels good on assa
feels super cursed as sub

[midnight mist]

They tried to fix it for outlaw aswell

I think it's still buggy

But the audacity/sepsis buff is supposed to work

And realz did say improved cto was supposed to be granted by sepsis buff which isn't the case I think but idk

I do think sepsis works well with outlaw but in the end it's a dot so

[vestal wren]

its just weird on subtlety with how it works

so would rly like if its just nuked

[midnight mist]

I mean tbf sub really doesn't have any cool interactions with it

At least it make sense for HO for outlaw

[vestal wren]

shadowblades

[midnight mist]

But sub it feels kinda out of place with any build

That's just backend stuffs

[vestal wren]

https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues/1105

^ i know it is logical due to implementaiton
(strike teleport triggers without other stealth benefits)

but having stuff like this just adds to the confusion

[midnight mist]

Ye

Well sepsis is really confusing

I always thought it wasn't supposed to proc improved CTo for example

Cause after all the wording is kinda the same as subterfuge no?

[vestal wren]

there is this too
(vanish and sepsis buff getting consumed together)

https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues/872

[midnight mist]

Is that a thing rn

I thought that was fixed lol

Like I think I can press sepsis then enter dance and keep sepsis buff or

Idk

[vestal wren]

its vanish not dance

it works with dance correctly

[midnight mist]

why is it different

[vestal wren]

but i haven't checked if it was fixed recently

vanish applies the vanish buff

thats diffrent than stealth

and diffrent to shadow dance

rogue 101

[quiet oar]

Fuck sepsis

Cant they replace it with something good

[vestal wren]

it fits into the sin theme, and works somewhat decent for outlaw

[quiet oar]

Yeah for sin its good

[vestal wren]

no reason to remove someting that works usually

[midnight mist]

[quiet oar]

In Outlaw its in a weird Spot tbh

[vestal wren]

ironically

[quiet oar]

Why would stealthi be a talent

[vestal wren]

sbs might be not that good on outlaw

[quiet oar]

I dont get it

[digital pollen]

am i stupid or did they change nightelf racial? doesnt let you get ooc in bossfights so you cant restealth for big garrotes

[midnight mist]

I mean for outlaw it's in the only spot that make sense

[quiet oar]

Are Ou supposed to throw racoons zac

[midnight mist]

Ye bro

[midnight mist]

Always was like that

Nightelf is a bit different

[quiet oar]

Racoons attack

Bonespike would be cool for outlaw

[vestal wren]

you only get out of combat during packs in m+ or on non boss fights

[digital pollen]

damn, shoudve gone dwarf i guess 😄

[vestal wren]

so you can't go into stealth always

[midnight mist]

If you want to get stealth benefits from nightelf you actually need to press stealth and enter stealth

Which isn't possible against bosses

[clever sapphire]

deathspike letsgooo

[vestal wren]

(with shadowmeld)

[spice surge]

Historically there has been some effects that was active while shadowmeld was active (but not true stealth) so you got some benefit

Like iirc the azerite shrouded worked in bfa but not the +120% from the talent

[vestal wren]

shadowmeld was used to skip the seasonal affix in s2 bfa

possibly the most iconic exploitation

it was so dominant that teams that did not play NF couln't compete

[clever sapphire]

but i cant see bonespike played in any spec besides assa. Outlaw with foth already generates too many combo points, and sub wouldnt use it for the same reason either im guessing (just my assumptions correct me if wrong)

[vestal wren]

outlaw probably has their main builder too overloaded

so sbs would probably only be a "apply once and forget about it"

[quiet oar]

More for m+

Choice node

[vestal wren]

ofc comes down to tuning of the dot

[quiet oar]

Sepsis bone spike

[clever sapphire]

for me i just enjoyed deathspike outlaw and assa in S4 of shadowlands

[quiet oar]

I feel like choice nods fail their purpose

[clever sapphire]

dunno why, it was just a lot of fun for me

[midnight mist]

Well my idea was that it would be a cracked up sbs choice node with fth

[quiet oar]

Choose nods should be Single vs multitarget

[midnight mist]

So you only really play it in m+

And it procs opp

[quiet oar]

Not spepsis and ghostly stroke

[vestal wren]

ghostly is quite now

[clever sapphire]

ah that i could get behind, would probably make me play outlaw in keys actually

[midnight mist]

See

[clever sapphire]

[quiet oar]

Yeah i know, but why choice node St vs st

Should be multitarget and Single Target

[midnight mist]

Ghostly

[clever sapphire]

abusing my weakness for deathspike smh

[midnight mist]

Well no

I hate deathspike

Was the leggo right

[clever sapphire]

yap

5 stacks, 2 spikes

[midnight mist]

I would want a 5 stack sbs but no cleave

Cause the cleave reduced Skill cap on the ability so much

Was just dumb

[vestal wren]

deathspikes problem was that it was buggy asf

[midnight mist]

Also

[clever sapphire]

okay tbf i didnt look at logs and whatnot when i enjoyed deathspike in keys, it was purely just playstyle, spamming spike and finishers

and i enjoyed how it felt

i didnt know if there were any bugs or whatnot

[midnight mist]

Well I just think it was made too easy with the leggo, like the interesting part about sbs was to snipe targets and use it on targets that didn't have the debuff yet

With the leggo it played itself

Could basically just spam your main target

[royal lantern]

it would not be #assassination without talking about problems all the 3 specs have

[midnight mist]

You had it spread to the whole pack with 2 casts anyway

[clever sapphire]

hmmm true, well if the dot did a bit more dmg so it would make sense to snipe the main focus targets and not just any small adds i wouldnt mind if it didnt cleave and only had 5 stacks

[kind forge]

comfort zone

[clever sapphire]

assa is the comfi channel where you can see all colors be friendly with each other and talk about stuff

[midnight mist]

Fuck sin channel fr

Cursed one

[vestal wren]

we compare sepsis on all 3 specs ^^

[peak bobcat]

[clever sapphire]

no wonder its an outlaw typing this smh

[quiet oar]

Zac shooting

Damn

I mean

[midnight mist]

Also I want to say that sin channel is the only one that has a purple guy

So

[quiet oar]

Cursedloc is here

And sub is the only one with Orange name

[midnight mist]

Clearly sin channel is favored in some ways by the moderators

[quiet oar]

Oh no

[clever sapphire]

my last cursed take was liking rotten

[quiet oar]

Assa has Orange too

[midnight mist]

Assa has everything

15s greenies

5 oranges

3 purples

[clever sapphire]

[quiet oar]

Outlaw

[midnight mist]

It's a whole army

[quiet oar]

Has zac

Guy

And solo

[midnight mist]

The gang

[balmy condor]

was outlaw like a year ago

[midnight mist]

I wasn't here so that's probably cap

[clever sapphire]

or more like sins arent that fotm and they actually stay with their spec unlike outlaw fotm players (no idea how it was this season)

[midnight mist]

?

Whysp prolly doesn't even play sin rn I bet

[balmy condor]

bro what

[midnight mist]

Sub main

I see you

[balmy condor]

not this shit again

[midnight mist]

Listen

Last I checked your stream and you were playing wow

You were sub ok

[kind forge]

cursed take

[royal lantern]

outlaw has 20000Kyles that snort Adderal daily allright

[spice surge]

Ive been onetricking sub this expac dw

[midnight mist]

This was during sanctum I think

[balmy condor]

nice

[midnight mist]

Ye

[clever sapphire]

what else do you expect from me

its fun tho that people say assa is a slow spec and whatnot, and then i try a ranged spec and i legit fall asleep playing it

[quiet oar]

@blazing jewel is American ofc He is Outlaw enthusiast

[clever sapphire]

for the life of me i cant understand how people can play ranged specs

[vestal wren]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vestal wren]

60 apm slow

[midnight mist]

Scana is a sellout

Changes spec every week

[quiet oar]

True

[midnight mist]

I mean it's slow

[spice surge]

A turncoat

[balmy condor]

no its fucking not

shut the fuck up zac

I will choke you through my monitor

holy fuck

[vestal wren]

every spec below

[midnight mist]

Wtf angry purple man

[spice surge]

Certified outlaw take (not derogatory)

[balmy condor]

dumbass outlaw dent brainers