assassination

[limber lion]

Ouch

[strange python]

Yea I guess can just do that

[limber lion]

say what you say, but this shit is pretty beautiful

I used to be the biggest MFD hater in CN

but then I grew to love it in SOD and Sepulcher

Too bad MFD is dead in DF

Time to find gains I guess

[woeful meteor]

Flag in Sin Tree with 10.2

[limber lion]

Okay nevermind, no amount of gains will beat that LUL

[minor gate]

just got targeted by the new evoker buff the full night

very approve

[cobalt hemlock]

am i doing something wrong or does assa deal kinda weak dmg on pull? like these prog pulls where we die after 1 minute feels preety bad beeing bottom dps (usually catch up by second dm) when we prog further

[balmy condor]

1 min shouldn’t be that bad

Usually when I burst it’s like kinda okay, drops, and then with tier bonus it kinda crawls back a little

[peak bobcat]

MFD is the best rogue ability

[gaunt moat]

Got echo of neltherion to 1.5%
pain 😢
half raid died to 3rd blast

[frozen gorge]

we justr down him suuuuu

[quiet oar]

Off to another 40 pulls

[gaunt moat]

[thorn fjord]

Fuck that’s rough

Sorry to hear

[dusk summit]

Im I wrong in thinking that domba on an assa rogue is one of the best things?

[thorn fjord]

I ended up swapping to sin on rash because holy shit I was not having a good time with sub @gusty mirage

Was still semi competitive (was playing flag over DB because I’m bad and kept@letting rupture finality drop)

[thorn fjord]

Rip goose 😩

[dusk summit]

Also am I missing some about flag and rupture drop?

[dusk summit]

Hey now what I do?

[thorn fjord]

Swapped to sub yesterday after patch and such but was not feeling it as much as I thought I would… there’s 3 viable builds for sun now… Flag, dark brew and rotten

Each plays different (flag and db being pretty similar) but DB uses finality where flag does not

[dusk summit]

Ohhhh I missed that it was sub

[thorn fjord]

And dropping your finality buffed rupture is a big no no

Ah

[dusk summit]

I do want flag back though. Be cool to have another thing for sin

[thorn fjord]

Nah er is enough lol

Just sucks db is simming 4.2k higher than sepsis sin

[dusk summit]

Everything sims higher than sin

[thorn fjord]

But flag is only 2.2k ahead… so if I was playing flag anyway im not really shooting myself in the foot as bad

More like stubbing my toe on the bed frame

[thorn fjord]

Sin was simming higher for me before hand

But it’s all good

[dusk summit]

Oh wow

I love sin rogue.
So I play it for that. Don't like how sub feels outlaw is ok. But haven't like it much lately.

[thorn fjord]

I like all specs for different reasons but OL has been on some shit

[dusk summit]

I just try and squeeze out what I can.

[thorn fjord]

SL s4 OL was cracked tho I loved it

[runic hinge]

I’m gonna switch to the 4th rogue spec. Feral

[thorn fjord]

You’ll be back

Shits wack 🤣

[runic hinge]

10.2 for sure. But I played feral from bc to DF

[winter gale]

bomb+beacon or bomb + class trinket?

[dusk summit]

Class trinket? What?

[winter gale]

for raiding sark mythic progg

Neltharion trinket*

[dusk summit]

Oh yah. I want that one

[ripe relic]

Is sub really pulling higher ST than assassination ?

I love assassination. Pull fine numbers with it, but that seems like the delayed rework caused unintended side effects with the minor buff

[thorn fjord]

Yes

And OL is pulling higher

[ripe relic]

Well. I don't really want to farm 2 447 crests for outlaw weps ATM. It won't kill me to play sub:] thanks

[royal lantern]

my man

if you need to ask that stuff in the first place

you are not near to the level where it matters

+its rogue

if you care about dmg numbers, dont play rogue

[hot tendon]

Does Accelerating Sandglass mega dungeon trinket oversim?

Or is it actually that based?

[quiet oar]

[spice spire]

#tc-research message

[gaunt moat]

is it better to go full ST oor m+ for the new dungeon?

[spice spire]

I’m raiding every day the second I get home until Friday. I have no answers unfortunately

[quiet oar]

Switch between

[gaunt moat]

oh right

[quiet oar]

Trash and boss

[spice spire]

Oh yeah it’s not an m+ so it doesn’t matter

[blazing jewel]

Raiding in grey?

Every day that ends in Y is a raid day

[thorn fjord]

[spice spire]

Nah last Tuesday holiday

So they wanted to prog rashok on off day

So they moved off raid to Monday

Instead of Wednesday

So this week it’s 4 days straight because I’m trialing I want to look good

[thorn fjord]

You joined a new guild?

[spice spire]

I’m trialing yeah

[thorn fjord]

Nice man good luck

[winter gale]

Essence with all buffs is better than neltharion and beacon in comp with dispenser

On my sim*

[austere fulcrum]

new items from new dungeon good for us or no ?

[limber lion]

But worse than Sandglass

[austere fulcrum]

2 trinkets and a weapon

[limber lion]

Pins.

Yes.

[balmy condor]

damn that's a pretty pin

[limber lion]

👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨

[balmy condor]

also @limber lion can you add the timestrike explanation with the dagger in your pin and then delete mine

just to clean things up

tybb

doesn't have to be crazy

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=420144/timestrike

there's a link as well

idk if you want it

it doesn't explain it very well

[unkempt tangle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[limber lion]

There we go, that should be decent.

[balmy condor]

and now we wait and see how people get confused

the endless war

[limber lion]

Blizzard with their cryptic effects

I thought we learned something from Scars

[blazing jewel]

Omg guys time strike so opppp!!!!!1!1!1!1!! The damage proc will finally make rogue #1 🅱️is spec for raiding. This is just what we needed!

[keen spruce]

I don't understand why it procs twice

like... it's only scaling off your timestrike stat

[blazing jewel]

On a real note if we sim in latest is raidbots updated with the effects

[limber lion]

Yes

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

Pog

[royal lantern]

high chance that its a bit buggy

[keen spruce]

well i just mean like design wise

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

it procs, applied a debuf and does timestrike damage. then 3 seconds later does time strike damage again

but they didn't add any variable timestrike modifiers

so like... why not just make it do damage once

i realize it doesn't matter

but i'm gonna complain cuz i crafted an OH this week

[royal lantern]

I M M E R S I O N or something like that idk

[keen spruce]

and now i'm cranky

[limber lion]

Hey that's on you buddy

[blazing jewel]

If I don’t have the time strike dagger and trinket before raid in 1.5 hours why live

[keen spruce]

i'm am forever punished for doing things immediately when servers open on reset day

[limber lion]

I also enjoy starting my day off with a dose of dopamine

[keen spruce]

447 fragment

[blazing jewel]

Am I going to receive a divine blessing tonight

And get loot funneled sark cape the 450 belt and 2nd 450 dagger

Surely it happens right

[royal lantern]

[blazing jewel]

It’s never not happened tonight

Tryan did you kill echo guy

[royal lantern]

?

im 1week on sark rn lol

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

had 2pulls into p3 tonight

aka

4people alive

[blazing jewel]

What p3 strat are you going for

[royal lantern]

IDK LOL

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

going downwarda for p3 start

aoe cricle happens

go up

wipe cus soak happens and everyone is dead

[blazing jewel]

solo the boss

[royal lantern]

cus we still lose people in p1 and cant manage p2

i like how we lose people in p1 and they say they used all deffensives

and i stand there wuth rage Potion+class trinket, constantly dotting myself and praying that healers do their job

[blazing jewel]

On our couple pulls last night because we ran out of time

Our only priest was playing disc

My health bar in p1 was in constant danger

[woeful meteor]

We have a decent chance to kill on sunday finally

[royal lantern]

but yeha, not going deeper into p3 until we can get into p3 with actually 20players

and not 3

[woeful meteor]

if we can do the go down with 20 alive once

and not have 15 die to it 🙂

[royal lantern]

idk what even kills people in p2 tbh

[blazing jewel]

Especially with Aug evoker now

There is 0 dps check

Just a mechanics check

[woeful meteor]

We have 0 evo 🙂

[blazing jewel]

HUHH

[drifting cloud]

always dps check for lower wr scana

[royal lantern]

what dps check lol

[spice spire]

It was def a dps check before for guilds

[blazing jewel]

Aug is turbo broken dps check is gone

[woeful meteor]

yep idk people forgot how to play their classes compared to vault in my guild dropped from 200 to 400

[blazing jewel]

That happened to a lot

[drifting cloud]

how much do you raid

[blazing jewel]

Most of the Chinese guilds reformed on tw servers

[drifting cloud]

in vault hours could carry you

[woeful meteor]

4 day first 4 Weeks I think into 3

We had decent pull counts in Vault tho overall and they are through the roof now

[drifting cloud]

how much on rasz

[woeful meteor]

240 ish

[drifting cloud]

but yeah like scana said cn guilds reforging def makes a difference

oh 240 pretty decent for rasz

[woeful meteor]

so not insane but def not bad

think we will beat Rasz pulls with sark will check once we kill

[drifting cloud]

rasz pull counts are weird because alot of it needs context

how many you did before the big p1 nerfs etc

or before annulet

[woeful meteor]

But whatever Gm asked me if I leave after CE and I said yes

[drifting cloud]

but mid 200 was probably below average for that boss

[woeful meteor]

2 Days pre P1 nerfs dead before any other

so no annulet on kill

But whatever tier is over this week and then it's lfg Prison

[fringe oxide]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorn fjord]

How’s that going for ya? 🤣

[blazing jewel]

not good sadge

[thorn fjord]

Rip… I’m running mine later tonight hopefully

Raid last night sucked

[storm forum]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[blazing jewel]

we had a pretty rough raid last night too

[thorn fjord]

I played sub up until the last few pulls of rashok

Was like nah man… I gotta get that trinket and dagger to help make myself feel better

[storm forum]

I wish i asked to get in on my rogue last night

we killed bigged zskarn and i did not need to be in on my priest

[thorn fjord]

I only get brought in on fights that we have trouble with or prog

Usually get sat for reclears

[strange python]

A little side question. If you only gonna get 3 Deathmarks off on a fight, is it then worth saving 3rd for 5 min mark with pot if fights is less than 6 mins ofc?

[thorn fjord]

Meh I wouldn’t

[strange python]

I'm not doing myself but was wondering

[storm forum]

i mean, its probably worth it if you're 100% certain it dies before 6:15

[blazing jewel]

keep in mind dm is essentially a 45s cd now with tier set

[fringe oxide]

Could someone help me with this sim please: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iS17syERZ1TYnyQetV31NG? It says bomb dispenser is better in dungeon slice. Even over 447 dice. I'm confused as to what trinkets to use in m+. I hope this is the right way to ask this.

[blazing jewel]

would this be for a fight like rashoks timer

[thorn fjord]

I couldn’t get a 447 dice to outsim bomb or beacon in anything

[balmy condor]

I would probably play dice + bomb honestly

[thorn fjord]

Do you macro bomb to mutilate or Env @balmy condor ?

[balmy condor]

I don't macro bomb

that's cringe as fuck

[woeful meteor]

^^

[thorn fjord]

[fringe oxide]

Thanks everyone. I must've pressed some wrong button somewhere around the sim! Thanks guys 🫂

[storm forum]

i macro'd bomb to env for one night and deleted the macro the next morning

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wild-wiz-khalifa-you-are-crazy-you-mad-you-insane-gif-22827646

[storm forum]

i def lost at least one cast of beacon cause i kept putting it on cd

[thorn fjord]

I macro it to mutilate and don’t have any issues honestly

[balmy condor]

the sim is fine, it's just interpreting it for yourself

given the situation its simming for

it wants beacon real bad

but it's also a 6 min fight

which makes beacon look really good

[split grail]

Checked the FAQ and couldn't see anything about gear. are the mega dungeons trinks better than current bis?

[balmy condor]

pins

[fringe oxide]

Thanks for helping me pick trinkets! You guys are legends!

I really appreciate it!

[thorn fjord]

Seriously tho you’re hard casting trinket on cd? You’re not missing any casts or what?

[balmy condor]

no?

why would I be missing casts

I just push the damn button

[thorn fjord]

I get that

But mechanics and you maybe not paying attention etc

That’s fucking impressive lol

[balmy condor]

bomb has like a 35 yard range and I have a weakaura tracking the stacks

it's probably the least impressive thing I do in my rotation

[thorn fjord]

Most of the people I’ve seen running dispenser manually almost always have less casts than I do

[royal lantern]

whisp is not a dumb rouglet like we are

actually can track 3things

my brain goes shutdown mode when its more then 1

[balmy condor]

there's some crit rng involved in that though

sometimes you reset your bomb constantly

sometimes you dont

[thorn fjord]

That makes sense

[keen spruce]

I too track my bomb

whispyr and i are the same

[thorn fjord]

That’s awesome @keen spruce

[crimson snow]

Is Fragment STILL oversimming or they fixed that shit? still got a 447 fragment that feels better than most 441 trinkets

I checked the pins btw, but I was wondering if it's updated, since other information in the same section is outdated

[tacit otter]

as long as its in the pins its not updated:)

[thick sail]

@balmy condor don't sell yourself short

There are lots of unimpressive things going on in our rotation

[keen spruce]

it's not updated it's still bad compared to most of the things we want

[balmy condor]

what's outdated in there

[tacit otter]

the onyx stuff is probably what he meant even if its still accurate

[coarse vigil]

lmao share wa?

[keen spruce]

you need a peepo folder and the .tga file for it to work.

i'll upload it in a bit

[warm void]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

I guess I could re-word stuff to make it sound more up to date

what a weird thing

[tacit otter]

just swap it to "onyx bad, unless sim says otherwise"

[balmy condor]

there

I changed words

to sound more hip and modern

with the youths

[keen spruce]

https://wago.io/-eNFlOJyy

i fixed the typo i the description don't @ me

it's very scuffed

[balmy condor]

outdated

[keen spruce]

this is the way

[balmy condor]

hm

I have a new idea

[thick sail]

Btw Whisp

[balmy condor]

what if instead of just

editing the pin

[thick sail]

Your WA is excellent

TY again

[keen spruce]

yes for properly functional and well made WAs go to whispyr

[balmy condor]

and hoping people recognize that the shit is up to date, I instead just re-post the pin so the time on the post looks more up to date

that way they can see monkey brain time stamp at the top and go

"ook pin from 7/12"

but then I'd have to constantly just re-pin shit

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

so people would get the red dot

but there's nothing new

its just me

repinning the same shit

[drifting cloud]

get the red dot away from me

[balmy condor]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[balmy condor]

my pleasure man glad you like it

it would be so much easier

if instead of this

it showed the last updated time

idk

big first world issues

[indigo totem]

Whispyr said monkeybrain and now I want playable Hozen

[gusty mirage]

and you can't stop me

[keen spruce]

you can ping me whenever you want

[gusty mirage]

it does show it if people hover over the edited thing

[balmy condor]

cmon man

[gusty mirage]

true

[balmy condor]

be so fr

[gusty mirage]

they don't even look at the pins

[viscid spear]

[gaunt moat]

is there a way to get a higher ilvl nick of time than 441?

and also, is it farmable, or can you get loot only once pet week from the dungeon?

[keen spruce]

no, no, yes

[gaunt moat]

if you completed it not on hardmore, then you're locked for that week or can still get the hardmore rewards?

[keen spruce]

i believe other hardmodes shared the lockout

but i'm not sure

[gaunt moat]

what do you mean other hardmodes

[keen spruce]

like from other megadungeons in the past

but i don't think we care about any of the hardmode loot

[gaunt moat]

the trinket is bis

[woeful meteor]

trinket is bis for keys

[keen spruce]

sandglass doesn't drop at 447

oh

the last boss one

[woeful meteor]

endboss trinket

[gaunt moat]

it does drop 441 on hardmode

[keen spruce]

yeah it never runs out in keys kek

this one doesn't

drops of 2nd boss

the mirror does tho

[gaunt moat]

ceverion wrote that this is bis at 441

[keen spruce]

it is

but it doesn't drop at 447

but it's still bis

[gaunt moat]

so, uh, do you not need to finish it in hardmode for better loot?

hardmode is just for the achieve?

[woeful meteor]

endboss on hardmode drops 447

so if you care about the mirror trinket which seems to be bis in keys you need to do that

[gaunt moat]

oh. well, i don't really care about that. but i do wanna get the achieve.

[keen spruce]

yeah only the last boss loot drops at higher ilvl. i'll probably put together a crack shot team for hard mode in a couple of weeks once we know wtf the mechanics actually do kek

[gaunt moat]

i just finished normally with a pug of 442+

only wiped to one boss once.

it's very doable

will be a bit tricky with zero deaths, but not impossible

(wiped to morchie, cause two people didn't realize they need to kite copies over traps)

[keen spruce]

yeah morchie get pretty hectic

especially for wheelchair classes

cuz those fixates move at 700 mph

[gaunt moat]

I think the hardest boss actually is the 2nd boss

with the slow and fast zones

very easy to stand in fast zone when he's about to shoot balls and get blasted like 3 times

[keen spruce]

yeah i still have no idea how to do the dispell part of that

our bear just basically solo'd that boss lol

[gaunt moat]

need to watch quazi's guide

see what his insights are

i just wanted to do it once myself, otherwise it's hard for me to understand

1 hour guide X_X

at least it will put me to sleep, goodnight hah

[blazing jewel]

guys

the speed strat on sark

sin goes crazy

stocks rising hard

[lusty ermine]

does anyone know how to make it where enemy nameplate will only show our DoT debuffs? Like in mythic experiments I want to keep up the dots on both bosses, but it's really hard to tell with all the debuffs on them. I'm using plater

[indigo totem]

Speed stray, you say? Can you elaborate or link, please? And thank you 😎🤘

[blazing jewel]

never go down in p3

can send both dms on cd and delete the boss

[gusty mirage]

gonna have to play around with either the settings or the debuff whitelists/blacklists, I've never had an issue with plater showing other people's debuffs on a target so I'm not sure off the top of my head

[agile osprey]

@keen spruce I love it so much

[woeful meteor]

in the buff section of plater there should be show own only

or debuff section I guess

not sure how plater sorts

[blissful forge]

pls center the wa haha my autistsic brain cant stand this

nvm youre the stealthed rogue on top

forget it, for some reason i thought you were the palading

[agile osprey]

oh lmao i thought you were talking about it being slightly closer to my chat than my class wa

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

thanks for nothing shmeeps

😠

[keen spruce]

wut did i do

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-anotha-one-dance-dancing-veeunus-gif-24649791

@gusty mirage

I think I’m playing sin tomorrow for zsazk prog

Fuggit

[gusty mirage]

nothing

yet

that's why I was thanking you

[thorn fjord]

@gusty mirage I refuse to be confined to a cage

[gusty mirage]

bro 6s dance sub is the cringest fucking thing ever invented

[thorn fjord]

And don’t ignore me fucker

Yeah man it sucks

It’s like oh man 2 gcd’s?!

[minor gate]

man is getting aired

[thorn fjord]

Fuck you

[minor gate]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

just be my friend already man wtf

[thorn fjord]

I thought oxi was gronmak

[gusty mirage]

you call someone a crazy person for 1 year

[thorn fjord]

I’m a literal dumbass

[minor gate]

guild is still progging first boss mythic

[gusty mirage]

and all of a sudden they don't wanna be your friend

[minor gate]

in pain

[thorn fjord]

Shmeeps been around a year?

Nice

[keen spruce]

oxi is like a gaslighting girlfriend that acts all cute and wants to cuddle then keys your car when you forget her starbucks order

[keen spruce]

i been here since legion

[thorn fjord]

Accurate

[keen spruce]

i was just gone for like 2 expansions

[thorn fjord]

Then calls you an idiot for having a keyed car @keen spruce

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-coffee-duck-hand-duck-coffee-hand-gif-23963123

[thorn fjord]

Oxi my favorite person in RH tho

[minor gate]

so youre pratically new

welcome

[keen spruce]

shmeeps delivering oxi's starbucks before his car gets keyed - 1945 (colorized)

[agile osprey]

HE SAID VENTI

RUNNN

[thorn fjord]

[keen spruce]

I popped in for most of bfa

and season 1 of SL

[minor gate]

alright guys all the other mentioned classes got their rework now its our turn

what are we thinking

[gusty mirage]

my starbucks order is a black coffee, preferably blonde roast because pike place tastes like someone shit in a cup

and I'd never key someone's car

I've had that happen to me and it sucks

😦

[minor gate]

joined end of that

[viscid spear]

Wawa coffee 😻

[thorn fjord]

$20 coffee?

[gusty mirage]

fuck you pennsylvania boy

[gusty mirage]

$2.55 but you were close

if you multiply by 10 and subtrace 5.50 it's $20

[thorn fjord]

Damn that’s a flex

[dusty frost]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[earnest remnant]

id go on a coffe date with oxi

[keen spruce]

this was my first message in here

[gusty mirage]

zine ran me out of here in bfa

[thorn fjord]

[gusty mirage]

and I didn't come back until pre-patch

[drifting cloud]

classic zine

[gusty mirage]

I had to carry the torch when I became orange

[subtle stream]

Typical

[gusty mirage]

but I did something zine could never accomplish

[keen spruce]

i spent my first year in off topic

[gusty mirage]

I got reddit hate

[thorn fjord]

Cause youre so rude

[drifting cloud]

but zine has 50 banned league accounts

[gusty mirage]

zine also has a mental illness

whats your point

[thorn fjord]

Wow

[strange python]

Sandglass secured.

[earnest remnant]

repspectable number tbh

[drifting cloud]

he just like me fr

[gusty mirage]

nah

his mental illness is league of legends

[strange python]

???

[gusty mirage]

I got called out on reddit for apparently starting fights in here every day

[drifting cloud]

I play tft thats almost league right

[strange python]

Fight them

[keen spruce]

oxi booli

[gusty mirage]

there's some super secret discord where all the "good rogues" are

[thorn fjord]

Brother you didn’t start them

[gusty mirage]

to protest me

[thorn fjord]

You just finished them

[strange python]

And be happy for my trinket

[gusty mirage]

that's pretty pog

you're one step away from ignoring 6s dance sub

and we like that

[minor gate]

then why are you here

[gusty mirage]

I suck at the game man

I'm washed

I peaked in 9.1

haven't been good since

[thorn fjord]

Because they hate him

[minor gate]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

I keep scammazing these guilds bro

I'm actually mid af

[thorn fjord]

Where do you think ram went?

[gusty mirage]

to mushroom game

[minor gate]

https://tenor.com/view/washed-ashore-ashore-unconscious-sea-alfo-gif-14906834

[gusty mirage]

smartest decision ever made by a human being

[thorn fjord]

The law degree paying back dividends

I hope you someday come back down to the swampy arm pit @gusty mirage

[minor gate]

do you guys think we will get this rework by .2

[gusty mirage]

that's what realz is hoping for

he hasn't let us down yet

now the balance team has

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/every-day-every-day-i-wake-up-i-wake-up-marriage-story-marriage-story-wake-up-gif-19948669

[gusty mirage]

balance team is on sight

[minor gate]

ive said it before and ill say it again

IN REALZ WE TRUST

[thorn fjord]

Ever see that episode of South Park with the manatees?

[minor gate]

https://tenor.com/view/whoop-ass-fight-fighting-can-of-whoop-ass-open-up-a-can-gif-5606197

[strange python]

Fuck sub. Sin gamer

[gusty mirage]

@thorn fjord why aren't you watching scana wipe to sark at 0.2% with their speed strat

[thorn fjord]

Our ball will get picked

[gusty mirage]

I got 2 mechanics 2 dances in a row last night

and I just gave up

I was emotionally broken

[thorn fjord]

I didn’t know he streamed

[drifting cloud]

@blazing jewel #assassination message

[strange python]

It's okay. Sandglass only doing .5% of my damage

[minor gate]

get hit with prescience is very nice btw

[gusty mirage]

that haste's gotta be pretty juicy tho

[minor gate]

i need to do the dungeon man

[thorn fjord]

Cloak got fixed and it was a juicy upgrade

[minor gate]

but its 2:45 here

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/stick-with-your-day-one-homies-stick-with-the-ogs-dont-change-up-continue-the-journey-with-your-day-ones-keep-your-close-friends-gif-14315718

[thorn fjord]

Damn 5 years and it’s still relevant

Real one

[minor gate]

L+ Plundered + marooned + no wenches + ye have scurvy

[keen spruce]

@gaunt moat yelled at me for posting off topic in assas

5 years ago

look at us now

[gusty mirage]

yeah

the true off-topic channel

[thorn fjord]

You can’t quit us @gusty mirage

https://tenor.com/view/its-okay-im-here-violet-harmon-tate-langdon-gif-14749342

[minor gate]

how good is the new dagger

ive seen the notes but like

[thorn fjord]

Bis for OH apparently

[gusty mirage]

for all specs

[earnest remnant]

gonna come down to what items you have

[gusty mirage]

fun

[earnest remnant]

mine is 600 upgrade

and i have 2x 450 daggers

[gusty mirage]

its an 815 dps upgrade for my sub

[minor gate]

is it just extra melee damage or does it proc things

[thorn fjord]

Multi strike is back boiz

[gusty mirage]

pretty much

it's a damage proc

3s later it does damage

lmao

[minor gate]

ah

[earnest remnant]

gonna ask some guildies i think

to help me do the first 2 bosses in there

[thorn fjord]

We don’t know if that’s intentional yet tho do we

[gusty mirage]

I wish you were NA

you could come with me

[gusty mirage]

is what intentional

timestrike?

[minor gate]

so it wont apply poisons or anything

[thorn fjord]

The second proc after the initial one @gusty mirage

[minor gate]

now thats a chance upon chance

[gusty mirage]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/spell=419737/timestrike

seems to be working as described

but yeah

wow tooltips

10/10

[thorn fjord]

🤷‍♂️

[gusty mirage]

procs then "echoes" the damage

I'll let you know this weekend when I don't get the dagger

[thorn fjord]

Lmao

[strange python]

Sandglass oversimming?

Or echo just heinous for it with downtime

[minor gate]

just seeing our dk guild member who won the class trinket over me, did not see it put it on and then proceed to try and win it in heroic

and complained when it didnt drop

i am the only one in the guild in that loot pool that hasnt got it

[gusty mirage]

probably a downtime thing

[strange python]

Sandglass doing 2% in most Sims and I haven't seen a log above .5% yet

[gusty mirage]

but given how great spell data's been all expac

who the fuck knows

[strange python]

It might be a big oversim

[gusty mirage]

I'm so glad they never put a vendor on PTR

to test all this shit out

it's honestly so cool of them

[minor gate]

they like to keep us guessing

on if what they add works

[gusty mirage]

@strange pythoncan you link me a log with hourglass

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/gob-arresteddevelopment-gif-25095719

[blazing jewel]

@gusty mirage eat my ass baby

[gusty mirage]

I didn't get my picnic basket

[minor gate]

dont know if i wanna try it with guildes or pug it

[gusty mirage]

you're actually a dogshit streamer

holy

[blazing jewel]

why

[thorn fjord]

That was a reclear right? @blazing jewel

[blazing jewel]

yea

[blazing jewel]

thats sark 3

[gusty mirage]

sick 50 minute stream

[blazing jewel]

wtf I have drops

hello?

[gusty mirage]

yes you do?

[blazing jewel]

[thorn fjord]

Damn I wasted my prime sub on oxi last night

[gusty mirage]

wow

[thorn fjord]

Should have gone to scans

[gusty mirage]

wasted

ok

scana doesn't even a sub button

[thorn fjord]

🤣🤣😞

[blazing jewel]

oxi is cuter than me

he deserves the sub

or stealthi

[minor gate]

how tough is the new dungeon

[thorn fjord]

He is I was kidding

[gusty mirage]

apparently very hard on hardmode

[earnest remnant]

im not affiliated

[thorn fjord]

Hardmode requires no deaths

[blazing jewel]

bro

[thorn fjord]

Fuck that

[blazing jewel]

why tf

did churpie play sepsis HO on sark

[gusty mirage]

nah that's just for the appearance on last boss I think

[minor gate]

*to be a sub

[blazing jewel]

that speed strat is actually so easy

I think that may become meta

[gusty mirage]

do you have a link to a log with hourglass scana

I wanna check something

[blazing jewel]

no

[woeful meteor]

Isn't that the meta now if you dont want Kir

which seems bad for sark

[gusty mirage]

yeah the spec with less dps than sin rogue

unlucky

the build*

[blazing jewel]

ho may still be the best option for sark idk

KIR timings may be jank I think its undecided atm

[gusty mirage]

you know what's the best option for sark?

warlock

[strange python]

Ours are private but roadhog on assault is r1

[blazing jewel]

yea warlock #3 lol

[strange python]

Assault is obv terrible fight but all I see ATM

[gusty mirage]

aight lemme check it our real quick

just curious if the trinket proc crits or not tbh

[strange python]

It does

Mine crit

[gusty mirage]

look at these degens

[strange python]

It procced 18 times in a 7 min pull, sims expect it to proc 28 times in 5 mins.

[gusty mirage]

playing boon on assault

[strange python]

So maybe a proc rng or maybe uptime

But it could be oversim

[thorn fjord]

That’s been a thing since assault

[gusty mirage]

wowhead data has it at 20 ppm

[strange python]

@gusty mirage kazzara rank 14, frenzied. Another 1% damage instead of simmed expectation of 2.6%

Only 11 hits over 4 mins

[gusty mirage]

so it should in theory sim correctly

[earnest remnant]

to bad assault got taken off of ASP 🙂

[thorn fjord]

Too bad my ass lol

[earnest remnant]

i might have had something to do with that

[strange python]

Suthix, rank 17 kazzara. 1% damage and 8 hits over 3:30.

It looks like an oversim...

[deft flicker]

Warlock seems to be the best option for pretty much everything. And they just got another cool quest chain that no one else gets to enjoy

[thorn fjord]

Hourglass or?

[strange python]

Yes

[blazing jewel]

is that for assault

[gusty mirage]

of c

[oak sky]

You know anyone can make a warlock right

[strange python]

This thing looks like big simbait the more I look

[deft flicker]

Ye, now I do

And it hurts a bit

But idk why, it never did before

[minor gate]

demo warlocks are not liking their aoe though

[peak bobcat]

IM FREE

finally

[strange python]

Sark kill?

[peak bobcat]

fuck this stupid ass boss

[gusty mirage]

congrats homie

@strange python so take this with a grain of salt, because I'm kind not ever in the weeds of sims

[storm belfry]

im deadge

[gusty mirage]

but

the average time between procs on the sim

is actually higher than the logs

the avg damage is about the same

[peak bobcat]

Time to play assassination on every boss and tell my guildies to keep themselves safe

[slim pebble]

But did you get a dagger

[strange python]

So why is it hitting less

And lower uptime

[peak bobcat]

3 mail pieces and some cloth

Shit loot

[loud root]

Hour 14 of looking for a leatherworker to 437 my boots lol

[gusty mirage]

I'm not entirely sure

in logs the interval from start to start

is actually 18-21s

[storm belfry]

if you are on a server where your faction is low, make an alt and go to trade chat in the city and ask

[gusty mirage]

the average damage is also roughly the same

but it has like almost double the procs?

[loud root]

Oh I didn't know it went by faction. There are so many restrictions I am about to race change back to horde.

[gusty mirage]

considering my terrible math skills I'm not going to speculate on how much it's oversimming by @strange python

[slim pebble]

Yeah there are like 20 alliance on my server so my nelf dream was cut short

[gusty mirage]

but the issue is more with the damage proc

[storm belfry]

no its not faction restricted

a horde cna make it for alliance

[loud root]

Oh Is ee what you're saying

[storm belfry]

yes

[loud root]

Just to get the player name

[storm belfry]

i do it on thrall

yeah

like i play alliance but its a horde server mostly right

so i ask in trade on my paladin since its horde

[loud root]

I'm on Thrall, so I guess you know the struggle.

[storm belfry]

its not that bad

just log into a horde troon insta dm

[gusty mirage]

@strange python and wcl doesn't track the actual haste buff

[strange python]

I'm sims you mean?

[loud root]

Perfect, thanks. All but 1 of my 70s are on horde side here...

[gusty mirage]

yeah

[strange python]

Right. So the proc rate must be off

[keen spruce]

@loud root ask kallypally if her guild has a leatherworker

[strange python]

I think?

[keen spruce]

tell her shmeeps sent you

[gusty mirage]

unless the sims are counting each hit from the flurry as an instance

[strange python]

What's the chance the sims don't account for the "flip the hourglass and begin anew"?

And that's the double proc rate

[strange python]

I don't fully know how it works. Just that it's about half in game

[gusty mirage]

seems to account for it

the uptime on the damage portion seems a little high

vs actual logs

I'd have to look at how simc handles the actual item

and get deep into it

[keen spruce]

so fuckin deep

[loud galleon]

does numbing poison work on bosses? for example Forgotten experiments on Mythic

[gusty mirage]

it will slow their auto attack speeds ye

[keen spruce]

maybe i don't need to farm both items

wait fk

i used weekly

god damnit

[blazing jewel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ee7q61SjyWioiYj95ng5Bg

timestrike goes crazy

[keen spruce]

ooooo weeeeeee

[strange python]

Get Koji and fuu on it

Napkin math and gut feel makes it seem like echo trinket is back though

[gusty mirage]

yeah I messaged koji about it

mostly trying to figure out why the sims is reading 27 executes, when the interval shouldn't allow that

[strange python]

Bruh

I paid 300k for it

[gusty mirage]

I mean my gut feeling is the sim is oversimming the damage proc which would mean it's kinda undersimming the haste stacks

[strange python]

Well

That creates all sorts of issues figuring out how good it is

[gusty mirage]

yeah and I'm not about to guesstimate that

[strange python]

I'm assuming not great because haste isn't particularly strong

Wake his ass up

[peak bobcat]

How much better than class trinket is it right now?

In sims

[strange python]

About 700

Assuming 457 class trinket

Oxi

I'm fucking sad.

[strange python]

This is the worst info I've ever found

[gusty mirage]

it's truly

[blazing jewel]

[strange python]

I'ma look for rashok trinkets

Although if it's a "trinket sucks unless 100% uptime" then that sucks too

[drifting cloud]

oh no, farming dagger s3

[blazing jewel]

back to the stat stick off hand

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/not-surprised-gif-10358235

[gusty mirage]

wha

this has nothing to do with the dagger homie

lmao

[strange python]

Oxi

Rashok rank 25 log, byee

About 1.8% damage, only slightly off sim estimates

Is this trinket a "full uptime or dog" simbait ?

[blazing jewel]

no I didnt mean in relation to the trinket

[gusty mirage]

yeah so that one is a little bit better

[blazing jewel]

just like

our usual meme offhand

[gusty mirage]

but that's also a 6 minute log

so we're looking at an extra 1 minute over the sim's 5 minutes

[gusty mirage]

trinket seems like a patchwerk dream, but the damage proc is 100% still oversimming

[strange python]

Is there reason to think it would proc more the longer a fight goes?

I was looking at % breakdown, not raw procs

[gusty mirage]

it should for sure proc more with longer fights

low key though, because your auto attacks are hasted

[strange python]

On a percentage basis?

[gusty mirage]

might be very good for sark

[strange python]

I'll let you know

I'll put it on now

[gusty mirage]

on actual logs yeah, because I'm assuming the stack chance is PPH

[strange python]

Definitely not griefing my raid

[gusty mirage]

so the more hits the more chance for stacks

lemme run this as 6min

[grim tangle]

I've decided I hate evokers

[gusty mirage]

ya the damage proc is oversimming by like 50%

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

like we're looking at ~600-700k missing damage from actual logs

that's kinda fucking massive

lol

napkin math is it's missing roughly 2k dps from the damage proc, so it depends on if this affects the haste uptime and does the haste uptime salvage any of that

[strange python]

Haste is kinda mid

[gusty mirage]

yeah it doesn't salvage 2k dps

that's for sure

[strange python]

Brother

With sark haste. It procced even less.

[gusty mirage]

esp when you're looking at like 8% more uptime

[strange python]

It did 300k total damage

Trinket sucks

Who has timestrike dagger

To confirm that too

[agile osprey]

I can confirm trinket felt like ass for me too, went back to my dice

[spice spire]

simcrafters in shambles rn

feelcrafter stonks

[agile osprey]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tVJ8r9dYMcPCA1p6#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=7

[gusty mirage]

checking dagger now

[storm belfry]

check this

[gusty mirage]

if it makes you feel better the sim matches the one log we have of the dagger @strange python

[strange python]

Makes me feel worse.

I have the trinket. Not the dagger.

[gusty mirage]

top is sim

bottom is log

[strange python]

I want it reversed, so I have the good item and don't have to farm it

[spice spire]

Unluigi

[gusty mirage]

yeah dagger looks fine

[grim tangle]

nerf dagger @blizzard

[candid dragon]

is there a new m+ build we're using as assassin with the new shiv ?

[gusty mirage]

there's a new shiv?

oh you mean arterial precision

[candid dragon]

yeah

@gusty mirage what is timestrike?

[gusty mirage]

that is blizzard's way of hiding a damage proc on the new dagger from the minidungeon

and I'm trying to find you the build for AP, I don't have it saved anywhere

[candid dragon]

is it better than the dagger off sark?

like is it worth farming?

i mean i guess i could sim it

[gusty mirage]

yes

it's simming better than a 450 dagger in OH

for assassination and sub

so kinda worth

[candid dragon]

OKAY

looks like its farming time

LOL

[gusty mirage]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAPFVFBBEREaFFYhRQCQANVWIQRFElQSDhQBA this was the talent setup whispyr was using, idk if it's any good but worth a shot

[strange python]

Nope. Weekly lockout

Gl with your weekly dawn

[kindred oriole]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[strange python]

@blazing jewel brother. Fuck you.

4/4 beacon crits on sark?????

[blazing jewel]

yea

I fucking blasted that pull

[strange python]

60% bomb crit??

[gusty mirage]

I have nothing to add to this convo

except I agree @blazing jewel fuck you

[blazing jewel]

half the raid got 100s lol

[blazing jewel]

I sent one into the 2nd add spawn pack idk how the crit% works on that

but it did bigly damage

[storm belfry]

idk you but i support you

[storm belfry]

[gilded oasis]

new pinz

[gusty mirage]

a whole lotta words to tell you "back to normal"

[thorn fjord]

Thanks for that tho

Dagger is still kosher tho?

[storm belfry]

False alarm

[gusty mirage]

from the logs I looked at dagger might be undersimming a bit

but that's vs my profile

which ya know

[storm belfry]

I thought dagger only affects demons

[thorn fjord]

Ok ok

[gusty mirage]

the timestrike one?

it just echos your damage 3s later or some shit

[storm belfry]

Which dagger are we talking

[gusty mirage]

nick of time

[storm belfry]

Was whispyr trolling

[balmy condor]

dagger only effects the demons in my head telling me to do things

[storm belfry]

Or am I dumb

Or both

Oh I see

Normal whispyr

You Mf

So I gotta grab that?

[gusty mirage]

yall infer a lotta shit from the dumb shit we say

[balmy condor]

what I do

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

that's not our fault

time dagger good

you want time dagger

[storm belfry]

How much of a gain

[gusty mirage]

it beats a 450 OH sark dagger for sub

[storm belfry]

From double 447

[balmy condor]

read the pins brotato chip

[gusty mirage]

it's like +600 dps for stealthi's sub set up

and the man is as geared as he is handsome

[storm belfry]

I see

[gusty mirage]

and he has double sark daggers

so

[balmy condor]

is he more geared than scanaw

[storm belfry]

Well now I am upset

[gusty mirage]

I'm pretty sure that mage you made to help jez with herald is more geared than scanaw

[storm belfry]

Okay I bedge

Gn you beautiful sobs

[balmy condor]

we never did an actual herald run because houkan imploded before the team got together

so now I just have a giga juiced herald mage

sitting there collecting dust

[gusty mirage]

we sell herald runs for arm pit pics

ez profit

[thorn fjord]

[gilded oasis]

houkan was

im not allowed to say the words

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Moroes is a bully

He won’t let you say the words you want to say

But he does it to keep the outlaw gamers in check

Or whatever, it’s too late

[gusty mirage]

we up to 6 filters in 2 days?

[spice spire]

Yes man

I said 5 lines in there today and popped two

[gusty mirage]

they hit more filters than they can hit with blade flurry

unfortunate

[spice spire]

Not even inflammatory

Those filters are def uncapped

[gilded oasis]

gotta be careful with those outlaw players

[gusty mirage]

I can make them go away forever though

[spice spire]

Your about me says you play outlaw

[gilded oasis]

ya love it

[spice spire]

It also says that

[gilded oasis]

I had to change it to make it more friendly

got too many complaints

[gusty mirage]

stay true to who you are

[spice spire]

MORE friendly?!

[gusty mirage]

xoxo

[spice spire]

Give in to the hate, Zar earn that passive hater income

[gusty mirage]

well I did my job covering for whispyr, I have a date with USCIS tomorrow

y'all have a good night

[gilded oasis]

night night

[spice spire]

Gn oxi

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

you date united states cis?

[gusty mirage]

almost exclusively

[balmy condor]

that's very white hetero conforming of you

[gusty mirage]

(what does cis mean again)

[gilded oasis]

(its a slur dont let him call you that)

[balmy condor]

cis is the opposite of queer

[gusty mirage]

oh

then yeah accurate statements

[balmy condor]

but like the legit definition is that it's someone who identifies with their birth gender

[spice spire]

Oxi is cishet scum

Just like me man

Wish I were truly homiesexual

[gusty mirage]

idk what this means

but I'm a lawyer

so both prolly accurate

[spice spire]

Comfortable in skin and hetero

[gusty mirage]

oh

[balmy condor]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

I'm not comfortable in my skin

y'all ever travel with my skin?

it gets real uncomfortable real fast

[spice spire]

Bruh

[balmy condor]

cishet is the long form hetero gender enjoyer

[spice spire]

[drifting cloud]

classic assa chat

[gusty mirage]

start winning random searches and shit

absolutely wild

I wish I was that lucky with the lotto

[spice spire]

All I know is, if I’m ever in a line behind you, 0% chance I’m getting searched

It’s like a free pass