The weird time portals or whatever
#assassination
balmy condor
But yeh dunno
I know havoc TC’s tested the trinkets a bit
And they said it was all dogshit
They like similar stats to us
So can’t imagine they’re all of a sudden stupid op
clever sapphire
they surely wont gigabuff it like the 10.0.5 rings right 
fallen raven
Twitter
unless they're somehow amazing at 441 when you can get the currently good trinkets at 447 almost defs not worth
limber lion
Well trinkets ain't really like that
balmy condor
https://twitter.com/ScarizardPlays/status/1674306879412113408
But it’s not dungeon loot right
limber lion
Trinkets can be better even at like -40 ilvl lol
clever sapphire
see boon
fallen raven
oh yeah the fragment trinkets are like 420 something
fallen raven
for us from the dungeon it's just sandglass and that all class one
balmy condor
Sandglass we just have no clue how it’s supposed to work lowkey
blazing jewel
has anyone found out what the weird third secondary stats on the weapons were
balmy condor
has anyone found out what the weird third secondary stats on the weapons were
There’s a wowhead post
blazing jewel
o_O
balmy condor
They’re whack
blazing jewel
anything of use for rogue
limber lion
anything of use for rogue
No
clever sapphire
It’s like extra damage to undead targets
world pvp weapon against undeads
broken
limber lion
It's just some extra flavor for other specs
clever sapphire
nerf
blazing jewel
they could have made those effects so cool
limber lion
They kinda really don't do anything, just fluff
blazing jewel
like a proc weapon we hold in the off hand
balmy condor
world pvp weapon against undeads
Half this sentence is just dead things
World, pvp, undead
Crazy
blazing jewel
so the timestrike dagger is essentially useless
limber lion
I mean the effect on all the items is just extra fluff, it's basically just a normal dagger
clever sapphire
World, pvp, undead
hol up, 90% of my chars are undead
blazing jewel
the proc effect would have to be strong because the stats on that dagger are ass
limber lion
Yeah, the number kinda doesn't mean anything. Instead of +315 Timestrike it could just say "deals a bit extra damage after a while pogchamp I guess but the ilvl is low so probs not, unlucky!"
blazing jewel
does mutilate actually follow with how its worded
like gains benefits from both weapons type stuff
balmy condor
Yeah
It’s 2 hits, mainhand is 100% effective, offhand is 50%
And scales appropriately
ancient rain
Do we want anything from the mega dungeon?
lusty kraken
Probably in 10.2
lethal mortar
didnt ret happen in the last .7
lethal mortar
no im having too much fun on bear
balmy condor
We don’t even know if there’s a 10.1.7
lusty kraken
Isn’t there an encrypted 10.1.7?
lusty kraken
Oh boy rogue rework will be in the fall at earliest 
balmy condor
Weird
Guess I missed that
“Holiday refresh”
💀
Ah yes, headless horseman
The REAL content
spiral pasture
surely super early fall tho
blazing jewel
Whispyr go bedge
balmy condor
????
I have a flight tomorrow buddy you’re fucked in the head if you think I’m sleeping tonight
11 hour flight with a 9 hour time zone change?
Yeah no
I’m good thanks
slow tulip
the rogue rework is also coming this expansion
balmy condor
San Francisco to Frankfurt
blazing jewel
balmy condor
the rogue rework is also coming this expansion
Very insightful as per usual
spiral pasture
We’ve been told 10.2
good tbh, more time to get it right
quiet oar
San Francisco to Frankfurt
Guten Tag
quiet oar
How about a Pommes Currywurst with a cold beer
vague sun
I wish they made assa more about poisons than about bleeds
Not even mechanically, but visually
balmy condor
How about a Pommes Currywurst with a cold beer
More of a schnitzel and spetzi guy myself
quiet oar
Spezi is really good
balmy condor
Yeah my phone hates it though
slow tulip
spezi 
quiet oar
That happens for me All. The time when im typing English
balmy condor
My phone also hates “pfeffermühle”
Thinks it should be peppermint
Every time
Even when it’s set to German
Shits crazy
quiet oar
Lel
balmy condor
Based
blazing jewel
Whispyr about to get blitzed at a beer garden
quiet oar
Pfefferstreuer
balmy condor
Mobilespfefferzerhäcksler
quiet oar
I mean He is frankfurt
blazing jewel
Mobilespfefferzerhäcksler
No I would not like to swap to T-Mobil
balmy condor
Good thing I’m only in Frankfurt for the airport and the train station
quiet oar
Yeah
digital pollen
got the drug hotspots right there
quiet oar
Good thing I’m only in Frankfurt for the airport and the train station
So you are only in germany for traveling
quiet oar
Ohh
balmy condor
But no flights from San Francisco to Stuttgart
quiet oar
You are german?
balmy condor
So we gotta go sfo to Frankfurt
And then ice to Stuttgart
And then s-bahn to my little dorf
And the whole thing takes about 20 hours
And it’s miserable
balmy condor
You are german?
Kinda, first generation American, my dads German, my moms Austrian
So I grew up speaking German, went to a German school, etc
Go back to Germany every year to visit family
I have German citizenship
slow tulip
based
quiet oar
I mean Hamburg people dont Co plain about the food named after them
Ask Berlin people
How mad they are about the Berliner
balmy condor
Berlin is just döner-land anyway
gaunt moat
No that's a Sufganiya
balmy condor
Can’t trip over your own feet in Berlin without falling into some assi with a döner stand
Shits crazy
balmy condor
Once you get away from the landmarks yeh
quiet oar
It screams Depression
balmy condor
It’s like really nice downtown and with the landmarks and stuff
And then you take 3 steps to the right
And it’s just depresso
quiet oar
Yes
And im a Dorf guys
Like a little villagw
I just dont like big cities
Especially These ugly cities
dusty trellis
dwarf or tauren for assa rogue ?
slow tulip
i think its more of a personal choice brah
quiet oar
Dps should be the same, or am i wrong?
balmy condor
Yeh it’s not even a dps difference
dusty trellis
vulpera low dps -1.5k
balmy condor
Both ugly, go vulpera
slow tulip
go mechagnome for op racials 😛
balmy condor
And im a Dorf guys
Same, love me a little flüsschen 
quiet oar
Our god king plays tauren
God King skovald?
dusty trellis
i feel like dwarf is good for skipping some mechanics in raid or dungeons
tauren only for m+ for big stun aoe
quiet oar
Except I’m also allergic to like
So, just a 1 hours hike Instead of the 3 hours one?
quiet oar
I didnt realise that hiking was a german Thing
balmy condor
And I get halfway through the loop
And my eyes are watering and my nose is stuffy and running at the same time
And my arms are itchy
It’s pain
clever sapphire
https://tenor.com/view/based-uh-hello-based-department-based-department-american...
Im based and not scared to say it 
quiet oar
Yeah the Pollen are strong in germany
balmy condor
In California it’s grass for me
There’s like a certain grass
That just folds me
But in Germany you walk next to a river for 5 minutes and see 700 different plants
quiet oar
Im. Blessed. To have non allergy
balmy condor
And you just have no clue which one it was that fucked you over
quiet oar
Birke
balmy condor
Im. Blessed. To have non allergy
I didn’t have allergies until like 6-7 years ago
balmy condor
And then it hit me like a truck
quiet oar
This flowers have to Sound like. Warlock spells for non germans
balmy condor
Yeh lil bit
quiet oar
STIEFMÜTTERCHEN
quiet oar
Osterglocke
balmy condor
Veilchen
quiet oar
Schmetterling
blazing jewel
Osterglocke
Oyster with a Glock got it
blazing jewel
That’s not an oyster
royal lantern
STIEFMÜTTERCHEN
that one litearlly means Stepmom btw
quiet oar
https://tenor.com/view/flowers-animation-gif-7325409
What you doing stepmom
balmy condor
Oyster with a Glock got it
Oysters stay strapped bruh
royal lantern
Oyster with a Glock got it
man, all those names are just 2words togheter
in that case its just Easter Bell
quiet oar
man, all those names are just 2words togheter
in that case its just Easter Bell
Yeah i realise that Too, while ging though flowers names
balmy condor
man, all those names are just 2words togheter
in that case its just Easter Bell
Isn’t that just all of German
quiet oar
We are just Word fusers
balmy condor
There's a word for everything in german
Yeh cause you can legit invent words
royal lantern
Isn’t that just all of German
many words yes, cus its a language that likes staying simple for making "new" words
balmy condor
You can just smash any words you like together
quiet oar
Isn’t that just all of German
What Do you mean, how is a Warenseperierungsprisma not a Single word
balmy condor
And it’s fine
royal lantern
and if there isn't, they'll make one
because putting 2words toghetrr is a legit thing
balmy condor
What Do you mean, how is a Warenseperierungsprisma not a Single word
My friend forgot the word kondom and just called it a spermabehälter
quiet oar
deft flicker
My friend forgot the word kondom and just called it a spermabehälter
And he was correct
balmy condor
Honestly
deft flicker
German language is fun sometimes
balmy condor
I don’t know that there’s a word for that in English
quiet oar
I mean Do they use it in murica?
Or any other country
Because its a pretty common meme in germany with that seperator
quiet oar
Yeah
I mean german Words can be simple sometimes
Like krankenhaus
The house for the ill people
night delta
German is basically ||https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BuffySpeak|| exemplified
balmy condor
Ye pretty much
vestal wren
You can just smash any words you like together
amazing, isn't it
vestal wren
ah ye or short fausdb
quiet oar
Or
clever sapphire
ah ye or short fausdb
fausdb, is that a new database program?
vestal wren
fausdb, is that a new database program?
its based on fuu-gpt
quiet oar
I know
blazing jewel
It’s pronounced 🅱️
quiet oar
But people Name it b
vestal wren
you see a lot of wow names using it instead of B
quiet oar
Its just to Confuse and scare people
vestal wren
balmy condor
It’s pronounced 🅱️
ßußßy
limber lion
ẞit
quiet oar
Zac agreed to be my ß
blazing jewel
I love ßepsis
vestal wren
ßlindside
quiet oar
Its funny to See german Word and then you See Taschenfranz is typing
Which is just
The word bag and the Name Franz
As one word
vestal wren
we have a high amount of german speakers on the discord
quiet oar
we have a high amount of german speakers on the discord
I guess we. German like mmorpgs
clever sapphire
we have a high amount of german speakers on the discord
thats the reason rogue is so good in its sims and data. German workers are the best
vestal wren
🫡
quiet oar
Fuu is german?
blazing jewel
Except your colors on wiring diagrams make me want to murder everyone
Ah yes why wouldn’t white be sw
On the US version of the diagram
big beef with you guys for that
vestal wren
Fuu is german?
🇦🇹 yes
quiet oar
Why is German bread so good
Idk because we respect bread culture, like toast isnt bread
fallen raven
perfect
quiet oar
Australia ?
Nah cant be, if He was Australian He would write upside down
vestal wren
¿uʍop ǝpᴉsdn ǝʇᴉɹʍ ǝuoʎuɐ plnoʍ ʎɥʍ
clever sapphire
wait fuu is also living with the kangaroos? I never knew anyone yet from here, all the germans are from germany
quiet oar
¿uʍop ǝpᴉsdn ǝʇᴉɹʍ ǝuoʎuɐ plnoʍ ʎɥʍ
So i had to be Hard to write the pin in the sub channel.
So everyone else can read it
vestal wren
haha ^^
quiet oar
vestal wren
can just put the talent calc to german by adding "de/"
https://www.wowhead.com/de/talent-calc/rogue/outlaw
quiet oar
Rolle the bones is gezinkte würfel
Right?
That would be the better Name for this ability tbh
vestal wren
it says Schicksalswürfel even in the tooltip
quiet oar
Thats the reason
Why my Client is on english
Ah gezinkte würfel is that Adrenalinerush talent
vestal wren
i honestly don't know most abilities in german, always funny when doing log analysis or similar for german players
quiet oar
Todesmal
slow tulip
how is deathmark in german ?
quiet oar
Which would be better as todesurteil
vestal wren
how is deathmark in german ?
the one tiramil posted
quiet oar
But Todesurteil is already Marked for death
Mal des Todes would be better too
I like the Translation of esxsang
Tbh
Aubluten which translates to bleeding out
vestal wren
german translation is quite decent overall, but i prefere english too
clever sapphire
ye im not saying its bad, its just that english sounds better
quiet oar
Yeah its good
But sometimes its cringe
I mean echoing reprimand
Wiederhallender tadel
This is funny
clever sapphire
rogue changes be like "we proceeded to make all the ability names in german so out sounds more brutal, no dmg buffs or anything tho, enjoy"
quiet oar
I mean
What would scare you more
The sweet innocent eviscerate
Or the german AUSWEIDEN
clever sapphire
dude if im walking around at night and someone screams eviscerate i think someone drank too mcuh alkohol, if i hear ausweiden im gonna run for my life without a second thought
quiet oar
dude if im walking around at night and someone screams eviscerate i think someon...
Can i offer you some willkürliche Gemetzel?
Which is indiscriminate carnage
clever sapphire
this shit is sounding even more cursed with every second
umbral rapids
yo you guys macro bomb to envenom i guess?
umbral rapids
yeah i don't have it macro'd on law cause of sheninagans
prime ivy
Yo, I've played a lot of Sub Rogue lately and am looking into assassination. Are there any good video guides that are recommended? I'm not really a reader
balmy condor
nop
umbral rapids
!whispyr
prisma monolithBOT
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
umbral rapids
balmy condor
useless info anyway tbh
umbral rapids
more curious about gear thingies
balmy condor
spreadsheet is designed to not need the sim
balmy condor
more curious about gear thingies
what specifically
umbral rapids
i'll just sim crafted rings and stuffs
was looking for a more lazy option though :)
balmy condor
I'm wearing a vers/mast ring
and a crafted ring with idk what stats
maybe crit/mast
or haste/mast
dunno
umbral rapids
lmao fair enough i guess
prime ivy
does garrote stack?
vestal wren
no
balmy condor
no
vestal wren
it refreshes pandemic (can take over 30% duration from a existing garrote)
prime ivy
what's pandemic?
balmy condor
!pd
prisma monolithBOT
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
vestal wren
^ most dots/buffs can extend the duration by up to 30% of the duration
prime ivy
ah so you have a bit of room when you refresh dots
balmy condor
ye
don't have to refresh at EXACTLY 0
any time in pandemic is fine
except for empowered dots like improved garrote
cause you would overwrite the empowerment with a normal garrote
and that's no gud
prime ivy
ah, so no improved garrote --> garrote in opener
balmy condor
yeah never that
the damage is from the newly applied dot
so garrote -> improved is good
prime ivy
so the "no cooldown" part of the improved garrote is basically bait?
balmy condor
so the "no cooldown" part of the improved garrote is basically bait?
it's useful for cleaving
prime ivy
ah
balmy condor
cause you can tab garrote to adds and shit
but for single target yeah it's useless
the cd on garrote in general doesn't really matter that much honestly
pseudo hamlet
cause when you play double on-use, you can screw yourself out of beacon casts
Can I macro it to if I play only one on-use? Shouldn't be a problem I think
balmy condor
any situation where the cooldown matters, you'd run carnage
and then it wouldn't matter anyway
balmy condor
Can I macro it to if I play only one on-use? Shouldn't be a problem I think
sure, just make sure you never play double on-use
pseudo hamlet
I despise on-use trinkets that aren't macro-able, so won't be a problem 😛
quiet oar
Or be like me and bind it to mutilate while Having beacon to make it more challenging
balmy condor
yeh can do that to play on hardmode
have your macros actively fighting yourself
like an added affix to your rotation
deft flicker
Hmm… does binding bomba to garrote lead to overcapping charges??
quiet oar
Yes
quiet oar
Hmm… does binding bomba to garrote lead to overcapping charges??
It will get you out of stealth
deft flicker
It will get you out of stealth
Garrote on its own will do that too
quiet oar
Garrote on its own will do that too
Yeah, but you will get out of stealthi and dont get improved garrote
deft flicker
Yeah, but you will get out of stealthi and dont get improved garrote
But if macro has garrote first wouldn’t it be garrote that took me out of stealth (so it is empowered)??
quiet oar
Yes, but if you are spamming it
Like i do
You could end up with out of stealthi garrote
deft flicker
Uhh…
quiet oar
I keep staying stealthi instead of stealth 
deft flicker
If you spam garrote in stealth - you’re probably out of combat so first macro press will send garrote in
Unless you’ve vanished to apply stronger garrote (in which case mashing is bad yeah)
quiet oar
As example
You press garrote in stealth
But your Tank moves mob a little more
You get out of range for a short sec
And boom bomb triggered
I mean its up to you
I just wanted to warn you
deft flicker
Yeah, makes sense
quiet oar
Because i had this on shadowstrike
deft flicker
Maybe adding a “be in combat” condition would solve that but idk if macros can check for me being in combat or not
prime ivy
Is it bad in any way to bind ambush and mutilate to the same button so I cast ambush if I get the blindside proc?
prime ivy
?
clever sapphire
if you bind ambush and mutilate to the same button its gonna cast the one thats first in your macro
blazing jewel
Also that is a horrible idea when you play sepsis
clever sapphire
and if its ambush you wont ever cast mutilate
prime ivy
ah
prime ivy
Also that is a horrible idea when you play sepsis
right
quiet oar
if you bind ambush and mutilate to the same button its gonna cast the one thats ...
Oh you already covered that
clever sapphire
doesnt matter, if multiple people say it its gonna have a better effect on someone believeng it
quiet oar
3) Can I macro 
Ambush and :ss: Sinister Strike together so it uses Ambush during Audacity?
No sorry, you need a new keybind for Ambush.
This is from the Outlaw faq
thorn fjord
Blashpemy
quiet oar
Which is the Same
clever sapphire
i wont believe anything on the outlaw faq, those pirates have no idea
thorn fjord
too drunk
balmy condor
!bs
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message
quiet oar
Oh there is a Command for that
thorn fjord
Just bind it to another key forehead
clever sapphire
lazy is for the weak
rain oyster
are the new trinkets (hardmode ilvl) competitive or we still bacon bomb dispenser gamers?
drifting cloud
the macro literally dont work half the time so gl
clever sapphire
are the new trinkets (hardmode ilvl) competitive or we still bacon bomb dispense...
you mean from the megadungeon?
balmy condor
are the new trinkets (hardmode ilvl) competitive or we still bacon bomb dispense...
current estimates say no
rain oyster
yes
balmy condor
but also there is no hardmode
balmy condor
it's hardmode by default
vestal wren
they did already nerf the dungeon a bit iirc
its not that hard if you have 440+ too, outgearing it
prime ivy
Isn't it really hard to play around echoing reprimand or am i misunderstanding the ability?
royal lantern
Isn't it really hard to play around echoing reprimand or am i misunderstanding t...
you just use w/e finisher is good at that time
and thats it
thorn fjord
Isn't it really hard to play around echoing reprimand or am i misunderstanding t...
I used to make the mistake of thinking you had to go one after the other
It doesn’t and you don’t really have to play around it… if your cps land on a blue just send
prime ivy
but should I try to make sure it always lands on it?
thorn fjord
Nah
royal lantern
you cant make that sure anyway
thorn fjord
Just go about your rotation normally
royal lantern
cus seal fate exists
clever sapphire
you cant make that sure anyway
proceeds to throw a knife for 100% 1 point only 
thorn fjord
The enhanced CP will last long enough that you’ll land
How’s prog going for you @royal lantern
thorn fjord
I’ve contemplated quitting twice already 
thorn fjord
Roster boss is starting to rear its ugly head
iron vigil
Is assassination going to be the lowest single target damage spec after today?
grim jay
I’ve contemplated quitting twice already <:starege:923197272064426075>
Im kinda unmotivated currently, but I dont even know what the specific reason is
kind forge
Summer ?
royal lantern
How’s prog going for you <@346293680883236864>
sark p1
thorn fjord
Yeah I suppose that too
subtle stream
i wont believe anything on the outlaw faq, those pirates have no idea
Well… they have a damage buff today, so there may be more of them in the wild.
grim jay
Guess a mix. Most things currently seem like a better option at any given moment, no matter what it is
gusty mirage
Well… they have a damage buff today, so there may be more of them in the wild.
even when they're bad there's too many of them
go figure
royal lantern
even when they're bad there's too many of them
wasnt outlaw numbers somewhat lower this tier
cus they all went sub
drifting cloud
@gusty mirage HELP
royal lantern
totallynotfotmplayersbtw
prime ivy
Is assassination going to be the lowest single target damage spec after today?
Why would it be?
thorn fjord
You know us Mericans love us some guns @gusty mirage
thorn fjord
Why would it be?
Prob thinking we’ll drop for the compensation buffs to OL and Sub
subtle stream
You know us Mericans love us some guns <@192059095279337473>
Giggity.
thorn fjord
But we should be fine
I’m looking forward to logging in today tho with all the gear upgrades
subtle stream
They say that specs that favor annulet use will be buffed to compensate. Assass: no changes
thorn fjord
Prob end up crafting ring if my vault is a brick
subtle stream
We should be fine ST still
peak bobcat
Fine
thorn fjord
They say that specs that favor annulet use will be buffed to compensate. Assass:...
We didn’t necessarily favor it as much as the other two specs
iron vigil
@prime ivy according to the sims we are 4k dps lower
subtle stream
I mean. It was standard.
thorn fjord
I was already out simming it with other rings prior to nerf… not by a whole lot tho
subtle stream
441 with sockets? Mayyyyyybe. 444+, ok
drifting cloud
I sure love this same convo on a daily basis
spice surge
They say that specs that favor annulet use will be buffed to compensate. Assass:...
Well assa didnt use it, so it didnt get compensated
Its as simple as that
thorn fjord
@drifting cloud should be the last week of it lol
subtle stream
We did. Either way. We all know it’s ☠️ now
drifting cloud
it was not bis for assa, you just didnt replace it super easy because up until now you had sparks to spend for more dps elsewhere
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> HELP
safe wigeon
guys nimbing poison in pvp does effect to GCD?
thorn fjord
guys nimbing poison in pvp does effect to GCD?
Check with #pvp
I am actually looking forward to logging in today
gusty mirage
guys nimbing poison in pvp does effect to GCD?
it used to in shadowlands, I'm not sure if that's still the case
inner basin
guys, which boots should i craft? some guides says Slimy Boots and other Toxic Boots
clever sapphire
toxic for assa, slimy for outlaw/sub
inner basin
thank you, kind sir
thorn fjord
We got both of those
clever sapphire
make both, profit (or lose a spark)
inner basin
Left Slimy, right Toxic 😄
thorn fjord
@vestal wren hows raidbots looking for today?
All the changes have already been implemented right?
prime ivy
Yo how does blindside work with sepsis?
prime ivy
alright ty
gusty mirage
so I'd recommend against spamming ambush when you get a BS proc, otherwise you'll be sad like I was when I consumed my sepsis ability with an ambush
and you don't want to be sad like me
prime ivy
alright thanks
vestal wren
<@194804407706189824> hows raidbots looking for today?
basically:
- raidbots will be updated for 10.1.5 changes once servers come up and spell data are re-generated
- 10.1.5 trinkets are partial support, most lack implementation or need more testing
- you can already sim for 10.1.5 by using
ptr=1in the header of expert mode, but might want to wait for the server to be up to see if we got some last minute changes
^ 2nd point is a consequence of no trinket vendor on ptr and aquisition of the fragment trinekts being fairly time consuming
gusty mirage
^ 2nd point is a consequence of no trinket vendor on ptr and aquisition of the f...
we love untestable trinkets
this is gonna be so fun
vestal wren
just means blizz does not get free QA
gusty mirage
I'll see you guys in 3 weeks
vestal wren
and players need to wait 1-2 weeks to have reliable information
gusty mirage
I aint trying to answer "ARE MEGADUNGEON TRINKETS GOOD OR?"
every 2 hours for the next 3 weeks
vestal wren
one of the trinekts iirc is implemented
thorn fjord
I aint trying to answer "ARE MEGADUNGEON TRINKETS GOOD OR?"
You're still having to combat the "No sin buffs WTF" comments
vestal wren
the haste one is meh for sub, so not going to use that
gusty mirage
You're still having to combat the "No sin buffs WTF" comments
my fav was someone who came in here 3 days after the aura buff
and goes
"STILL NO ASSA CHANGES?"
like brother what
vestal wren
fragment trinekts are low item level
unelss they put it on the mythic track now
that would be fun
thorn fjord
unelss they put it on the mythic track now
Would be weird if they didnt tbh
vestal wren
iirc there was no upgrade path on trinkets on ptr, not sure if that got fixed in a later hotfix
grim jay
@gusty mirage are the new 10.1.5 trinkets good or ?
vestal wren
so we will know soon for sure
grim jay
vestal wren
NA beta testing
grim jay
NA beta testing
Love it
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> are the new 10.1.5 trinkets good or ?
I'll give you a way to test them yourself
step 1) Find nearest highway
step 2) stand in front of a semi truck
step 3) ????
Step 4) Congrats now you know which trinket is good
spice surge
Perhaps you can test them by shoving them up your....
thorn fjord
vestal wren
assuming you can't upgrade fragments or only slightly
probably not going to compete unless they have some bugs to it
grim jay
step 1) Find nearest highway
step 2) stand in front of a semi truck
step 3) ????...
Thats a pretty refined answer. Exactly what I would expect close to the patch going live
Didnt disappoint
gusty mirage
Thats a pretty refined answer. Exactly what I would expect close to the patch go...
also eat your wheaties
Disclaimer: I've never eaten wheaties in my life, they could taste like shit for all I know
gusty mirage
ofc I do
how could I forget the last person to ever attempt a drop kick FG
it was against the dolphins in like 06 or 07
kind forge
06 iirc
strange python
we love untestable trinkets
If we can get a good passive trinket that beats beacon I'll be happy.
strange python
Perhaps you can test them by shoving them up your....
Fragment of Assinoth seems bis
Paracausal fragment of Coomhammer coming in a as a close second
gusty mirage
If we can get a good passive trinket that beats beacon I'll be happy.
tbh I hope for 447 dice today and just eat the "-0.1% loss"
strange python
Idk if you can do r1s with it
gusty mirage
yeah but I suck anyway
strange python
Think you need echo or beacon for that
strange python
😦
gusty mirage
I'm a purp and move on kinda guy when it comes to mythic
then I roll into heroic to lie to myself that I'm good
(don't share this with stealthi he'll yell at me again)
gusty mirage
stealthi would never yell
tag him and watch him yell at me then
if you don't believe me
royal lantern
@earnest remnant what did you do with poor oxi, man is scared
gusty mirage
thorn fjord
I'm a purp and move on kinda guy when it comes to mythic
If I can get top 10s you 100% can out perform me 🤣
gusty mirage
If I can get top 10s you 100% can out perform me 🤣
you over estimate my ability to play greedy
dusky tinsel
how do you guys like to use your vanish in m+? do you still try and line them up with DM or are you just using it as an additional CD on trash packs?
quiet oar
you over estimate my ability to play greedy
Boss deadge > parses
clever sapphire
how do you guys like to use your vanish in m+? do you still try and line them up...
situational, i used it on bigger pulls if i had IC up and tank didnt let me restealth
otherwise with dm on boss
dusk summit
Gotta love how virtually every spec gets some love except for us 😦
clever sapphire
Gotta love how virtually every spec gets some love except for us 😦
wdym, we all love our specs on this channel. We dont need daddy blizzards love
slow tulip
Gotta love how virtually every spec gets some love except for us 😦
enh shamans and ferral druids might not fully agree on that :^) 
clever sapphire
ferals tierset made me quit feral as an alt
same with enh shamans frostshock build
gusty mirage
same with enh shamans frostshock build
but then how can you crit your friends with 110k frost shocks on echo of nelth?
earnest remnant
I'm a purp and move on kinda guy when it comes to mythic
Its because you dont Care for it
clever sapphire
but then how can you crit your friends with 110k frost shocks on echo of nelth?
i despise frostshock
gusty mirage
Its because you dont Care for it
I care for you :3
gusty mirage
i despise frostshock
I got ass blasted into the north pole by our frost mage and enhance shaman on echo prog
lmao
clever sapphire
well i mean it does big ass dmg
clever sapphire
I got ice lanced twice for 260k and frost shocked for 110k
probably got flamed for not pressing cloak after that
gusty mirage
I'm like bro how the fuck am I dying
and I check my death log
and I'm like oh okay
rare jackal
I'm a purp and move on kinda guy when it comes to mythic
i feel that
thorn fjord
There are two people im waiting to beacon as a troll on Nelth when we get there
gusty mirage
There are two people im waiting to beacon as a troll on Nelth when we get there
use crit phial to make sure it crits
thorn fjord
I cant wait they're gonna get so triggered
gusty mirage
I was using our locks' imps as builders with fok
and I'm not ashamed of it
I found out that imps can survive 2 FoKs before they die thanks to poison procs/deadly dot
you're welcome
rare jackal
RL "youre not allowed to funnel off of allies to pad your damage"
yeah okay mister no fun allowed 😒
gusty mirage
There are two people im waiting to beacon as a troll on Nelth when we get there
if one of them is a warlock, blind their tyrant
not as noticable in logs
thorn fjord
that is so evil lmao
thorn fjord
My RL would have a literal stroke
gusty mirage
yeah but it'd be funny
thorn fjord
Zsakarn is already getting to like 45% so i think our time on this boss will be limited
thorn fjord
Oh yeah i know... I just want to be done already
gusty mirage
then start applying for higher ranked guilds
clever sapphire
see how long it takes for them to notice
imagine playing mfd, and sniping the warlocks imps with that shit
thorn fjord
imagine playing mfd, and sniping the warlocks imps with that shit <:dracthyr_kek...
oof this is creative
gusty mirage
we're turning this channel into terrorizing warlocks on echo of neltharion
clever sapphire
you can do it to unholy dk too
clever sapphire
subtle tundra
we're turning this channel into terrorizing warlocks on echo of neltharion
Give me a sub and I will raid just for that
subtle tundra
Fair. I'm not home for 2 weeks anyways
thorn fjord
Hows summer been for you @subtle tundra
hot tendon
Trying to see if i understand thsi correctly, but we use 1 charge of shiv on cd, and we keep one for when a shiv windows comes up, which I pressume is:
During deathmark for double rupture.
After deathmark for 4pc
Whenever sepsis is on the target.
Correct?
Or am I missing any shiv windows here
hot tendon
Cool, thanks!
royal lantern
just have a charge for sepsis and dm, thats it
hot tendon
Wouldn't it be interesting perhaps to use vanish on the first improved garrote, take that into DM, then juice the 4pc on a sepsis with shiv?
Or is delaying sepsis like that big dumb dumb
Since sepsis doesnt benefit from DM, but does from 4pc
woeful meteor
it's good aslong as you dont loose out on a sepsis cast
so some 2:40-3:00 min fight length hyper optimization, which will be a pretty big loss at like 3:20
not rly worth it
hot tendon
Right because we lose out on sepsis casts, hm
clever sapphire
just use sepsis on cooldown, first vanish on second DM and easy as that
the rota and opener is pretty minmaxed at this point
im pretty sure whispyr didnt miss anything in there
(just dont bring up the bacon opener into vanish)
hot tendon
I did see opener in faq says to build for rupture, but i see high parse timelines use ER in their opener
any reason for this?
clever sapphire
both work, no particular reason
woeful meteor
basically same output ER early feels better imo
hot tendon
Yeah, thought so too
dusk summit
In regards to buffs has anyone heard what's happening for the assa rework? I read there is one coming but not sure when or what.
quiet oar
What the cursed man said
clever sapphire
now the name fits
weak plover
white temple
!whispyr
prisma monolithBOT
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
gusty mirage
bro how are people answering this question every fucking day
I'm in an episode of punk'd
which one of you are ashton kutcher
prisma monolithBOT
you can call me auto moderator
somber hill
is therre somewhere to see the 10.1.5 trinket sims/paracausal stuff for rogue or has that not been complete?
quiet oar
Like someone mentions when rework, the "uwfuuu bot" replies in 10.2
vestal wren
Based on written stuff
depends on how you look at it
you can do simple stuff like word matching, pattern matching or go to reinforced learning algorithms or ultimatively to llms
gusty mirage
is therre somewhere to see the 10.1.5 trinket sims/paracausal stuff for rogue or...
the trinkets weren't available on the PTR from a vendor so nothing was able to be tested, it should go live on raidbots when the servers are up so things will be simmable
the accuracy of that based on spell data is an entirely dif animal unfortunately
somber hill
the trinkets weren't available on the PTR from a vendor so nothing was able to b...
ok cool thank you!! some of them sound rlly fun
gusty mirage
ok cool thank you!! some of them sound rlly fun
hot tendon
if a question is frequently answered, should it maybe be in frequently answered questions
woeful meteor
Does the stuff loose secondaries for the dungeon stats?
or is bis next patch Tier+full mega dungeon m+ gear
gusty mirage
I mean it was in an interview with Ion Hazzikostas less than a week ago
people don't even read the pins and you think adding it to an FAQ would solve that?
craggy oak
if a question is frequently answered, should it maybe be in frequently answered ...
people read that bit less than pins in main channel
quiet oar
you can do simple stuff like word matching, pattern matching or go to reinforced...
Yeah i know. But it isnt needed tbh
I was just joking
gusty mirage
now do a search in assassination for "toxic boots" and see how often people asked this question in the last month
storm belfry
if one of them is a warlock, blind their tyrant
prime ivy
I kinda just joined, but it is so hard to read everything
gusty mirage
you're fine
dw about it
I'm just referencing the dude who said to add it to the FAQ
lmao
prime ivy
Like the FAQ channel is so long
spice spire
Imagine how hard it is to answer everything 
gusty mirage
people don't even read the pins, let alone the FAQ
quiet oar
people don't even read the pins, let alone the FAQ
Where aura buff
storm belfry
its better to read and learn/absoirb info yourself then ask specific questions later
gusty mirage
Where aura buff
were you there for that dude who came in 2 days after the aura buff and went "STILL NO ASSA CHANGES? GUESS I'M STAYING UNSUBBED"
lmao
storm belfry
cauyse most the time the questions you statrt off asking are answered by reading a guide or FAQ
woeful meteor
just checked if wowhead ptr pages are correct we are in mega dungeon prison next patch at least for weapons
spice spire
A question? Absolutely (not singling you out I just got here) but a lot of people just rawdog 20 in a row
That are all there
storm belfry
just checked if wowhead ptr pages are correct we are in mega dungeon prison next...
who?
woeful meteor
they have same secondaries and a bonus effect so unless that is severely undertuned they should be bis
quiet oar
were you there for that dude who came in 2 days after the aura buff and went "ST...
No i wasnt. But did you read Outlaw Chat this morning
storm belfry
at 441?
gusty mirage
I don't go into outlaw
they scare me
they were very very upset when grand melee got changed from useless to useful
faint jacinth
?
spice spire
I only do for
quiet oar
They were upset
spice spire
they were very very upset when grand melee got changed from useless to useful
It’s a loss king
faint jacinth
quiet oar
About everything
spice spire
In st
spice surge
Yes
woeful meteor
I'm talking 10.2 when it's in m+, but yes the wep at 441 has same stats as a 441 dagger now
spice surge
But atleast its useful in aoe
gusty mirage
It’s a loss king
the spec that's simming 138k in ST has a buff that's a loss in ST?
balmy condor
just checked if wowhead ptr pages are correct we are in mega dungeon prison next...
yeah for sure bro
a dot only for demons
holy damage to undead enemies
and mana
thorn fjord
https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-humanity-hue-manatee-gif-12593821
I got you I got you
storm belfry
oh then who cares
woeful meteor
HUH timestrike currently only does something
quiet oar
the spec that's simming 138k in ST has a buff that's a loss in ST?
They still complain about sub being buffed
storm belfry
thats a pvp weapon to counter demo locks
gusty mirage
yall are missing the real reason for megadungeon prison
woeful meteor
could be something good
balmy condor
could be something good
SURELY
spice spire
Real
storm belfry
balmy condor
it's the only explanation right
spice spire
Whispyr why aren’t you going to Germany yet
woeful meteor
what if next raid endboss is demon gorehowl is gonna be massive check mate
gusty mirage
They still complain about sub being buffed
vestal wren
spice spire
Yermany even
balmy condor
cause my flights at 6pm
quiet oar
sub buff is still 1k dps behind KIR
But m+
gaunt moat
flying on patch day 
woeful meteor
Isn't he going to bavaria I distance myself from those "germans"
gusty mirage
But m+
oh true I forgot about the true end game that blizzard totally balances around
balmy condor
flying on patch day <:Cring:879404698900262912>
I wouldn't be playing the patch regardless
gusty mirage
the other side game besides pvp
spice spire
Idk I just know he’s on his yearly trip
gusty mirage
Area 52 on patch day <:ICANT:1030537928235040859>
what's wrong with a52 on patch day
quiet oar
oh true I forgot about the true end game that blizzard totally balances around
I mean i said that, but some. People were still upset
gusty mirage
you were on mal'ganis which is the same fucking population
balmy condor
it's a .5 patch with a megadungeon that has questionable gear, and I would just be reclearing every week to gear for 10.2
gusty mirage
I mean i said that, but some. People were still upset
it's because they can't read
balmy condor
aint no way I'm loggin in for allat
spice spire
Nah MG is pretty far down
gaunt moat
Well. then you're not gonna be world first kalimdor gold medal dragonflying 
balmy condor
I'll survive
spice spire
vestal wren
preheat said assassination is good for augvoker
good might be overstating it
its the best of rogue
gusty mirage
good might be overstating it
tell that to him not me
lmao
he has sin rogue but not havoc dh
balmy condor
streamer that doesn't play rogue saying dumb shit involving rogue
what a surprising thing
woeful meteor
has to be right if former limit player and professional lfr sark speedrunner tells me it's good
gusty mirage
one of these is not like the others
balmy condor
I've never heard such a preposterous notion
streamers have always been right in the past when they say things
gusty mirage
so true bestie
quiet oar
So
faint jacinth
MM hunter ???
gusty mirage
mm hunter does damage
craggy oak
preheat said assassination is good for augvoker
damn strong ST, great raid util with atophic, now bis for augmentation, sounds like another round of nerfs due for sin
prime ivy
wait is this for new or old patch?
gusty mirage
this is supposedly the best specs that augmentation evoker can buff
so it would be this patch
idk who paid the man
but thanks ig
slow needle
rupture's already off my bars
Gonna need an explainer on this one. Which streamer said not to rupture as Sin?
gaunt moat
Wouldn't presience be good to cast on sin with deathmark?
gusty mirage
Gonna need an explainer on this one. Which streamer said not to rupture as Sin?
not for sin
bro that's for sure a word notter
ngl idk what that signifies in the least
augvoker is fucking dumb
and I refuse to learn anything about it
slow needle
Prescience is an ability which causes your Ebon Might to be cast on that target. So it smarts targets people with Prescience > other rules I don't know.
spice surge
good might be overstating it
Its just what specs have 2 minute cds
balmy condor
last patch augvoker 
this patch augvoker 
gaunt moat
thorn fjord
Watch them bring in blade turns
gaunt moat
tl;dr crit chance
slow needle
Funny fact. If you have 3 Augs and they all put Prescience on the same target then you can stack 3 Ebon Mights on them.
Can't wait to see UHDK and Demo fly straight to the fucking moon with like 5k more mainstat in their opening cds + lust.
spice surge
Funny fact. If you have 3 Augs and they all put Prescience on the same target th...
ye but aint no way this stays. its gonna get hotfixed before next reset 100000000000%
gusty mirage
Can't wait to see UHDK and Demo fly straight to the fucking moon with like 5k mo...
brother
spice surge
If they havent already
gaunt moat
Funny fact. If you have 3 Augs and they all put Prescience on the same target th...
it.. stacks?? 
slow needle
ye but aint no way this stays. its gonna get hotfixed before next reset 10000000...
I'm not 100% sure on this but it was my understanding is it didn't work this way then it was changed to so people didn't accidentally overlap prescience in PuGs and less skilled groups and shit.
thorn fjord
Are you really gonna have 3 augs
slow needle
For it to be basically wasted.
slow needle
Are you really gonna have 3 augs
Yes.
gusty mirage
Are you really gonna have 3 augs
why wouldn't you
slow needle
If you're looking to minmax.
balmy condor
Are you really gonna have 3 augs
with current tuning you'd probably want 4 or 5
gusty mirage
if the guesstimates are appropriate
you're getting 180-210k edps from them
it's a no brainer lmao
thorn fjord
slow needle
with current tuning you'd probably want 4 or 5
I think once you hit 4 you start Ebon mighting other Augs so it may not be as worth.
spice surge
For it to be basically wasted.
Sure, but it also makes it so you can run 18 evokers and almost oneshot bosses
subtle stream
Yep
spice surge
Which i doubt is the intended effect
thorn fjord
If that really becomes a thing there’s no way blizz doesn’t nerf
slow needle
Actually, thats a point.
gusty mirage
If that really becomes a thing there’s no way blizz doesn’t nerf
they didn't nerf devoker all expac
you think they're gonna nerf the brand new spec?
slow needle
EM is a % of your main stat right? If you have a bunch of Augs EM each other do their own EM increase in size?
thorn fjord
If people are bringing 4-5 fuck yeah they will
gaunt moat
Max said he thinks taking more than 2 is not worth it
since you'll be buffing the less desirable targets by then, like tank.
clever sapphire
They just gonna nerf assa because we are the unlucky ones that get hit by all that ebon shit
balmy condor
I think once you hit 4 you start Ebon mighting other Augs so it may not be as wo...
yeah but most of the time you would still be hitting non-augvokers and considering they're a solid 60-90k dps ahead of the next highest dps I don't think it matters too much
balmy condor
Max said he thinks taking more than 2 is not worth it
since you'll be buffing th...
yeah surely he knows 
gusty mirage
he said atrophic poison is good
vestal wren
Its just what specs have 2 minute cds
fair
gusty mirage
surely he knows
thorn fjord
yeah surely he knows <:KEKW:750539790608498750>
Don’t you blaspheme max 
balmy condor
bro hasn't looked at a sim in a decade
gaunt moat
he said atrophic poison is good
for them when they're pushing with low ilvl, it probably is.
spice surge
EM is a % of your main stat right? If you have a bunch of Augs EM each other do ...
Yes but they wouldnt buff each other, they would buff the 2 dps
balmy condor
that dudes just talking
thorn fjord
that dudes just talking
Pulling in subs baby
gusty mirage
for them when they're pushing with low ilvl, it probably is.
they were 437 on sark 
quiet oar
that's low ilvl compared to where we are
But its closee than any other tier
slow needle
Yes but they wouldnt buff each other, they would buff the 2 dps
I'm just thinking if you hit a point where there are no other dps to boost. Also the idea of 2 augs presciencing each other and continually casting EMs that get incrementally bigger is hilarious to me.